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Ukrainian Naftogaz is preparing new “questions” for Gazprom: amount - $ 17,3 billion

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When concluding a medium-term contract for the supply of gas to Ukraine by individual Russian experts, everything was presented as a “successful situation”. It was about the fact that when concluding a contract and Gazprom paid the “fine” awarded by Naftogaz, the Ukrainian company refused its other financial claims. But three and a half months passed, and it turned out that Naftogaz was again determined to recover billions of dollars from Gazprom. This is a word about contracts with modern Ukraine.


This time we are talking about financial claims of the Ukrainian company for an impressive amount of $ 17,3 billion. The acting head of Naftogaz, Mr. Vitrenko, wrote about this on Facebook.

From the note by Yuri Vitrenko on the social network:

... my team clearly formulated and introduced (...) Naftogaz to additional "questions" to Gazprom for another 17.3 billion dollars. In case of agreement, there is a lot of work ahead.

In user comments, it is noted that Naftogaz once again wanted "freebies" from the Russian Federation. But "Naftogaz" acts on the thumb. Having once received a decision from the so-called "international arbitration" in their favor, this company realized that it was not necessary to work and live your mind in the future - the main thing: to find the reason for the next statement of claim in time and expect results.

Recall that earlier the arbitration awarded the payment to Ukraine by Gazprom in the amount of almost $ 3 billion.
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  1. DMB 75
    DMB 75 April 8 2020 06: 17 New
    45
    Well, it begins ... Now, this is how Gazprom will milk. Where all these effective lawyers with managers were when the contracts were concluded, hz.
    1. The comment was deleted.
      1. To be or not to be
        To be or not to be April 8 2020 07: 08 New
        16
        The owner of the goods is also to blame and pays the buyer to the courts!
        However ....
        “Capital avoids noise and abuse and is characterized by a fearful nature.
        It is true, but that is not the whole truth.
        Capital is afraid of lack of profit or profit too small, just as nature is afraid of emptiness. But once sufficient profit is available, capital becomes bold. Provide 10%, and the capital agrees to any use, at 20% it becomes lively, at 50% it is positively ready to break its head, at 100% it violates all human laws, at 300% there is no crime that it would not risk, at least under pain of the gallows.
        If noise and abuse bring profit, capital will contribute to both. Evidence: Smuggling and Slave Trade. ”
        Thomas Joseph Dunning (1799-1873)
        1. Chervonny
          Chervonny April 8 2020 13: 37 New
          19
          Quote: To be or not to be
          The owner of the goods is also to blame and pays the buyer to the courts!

          We do not have effective methods of countering racketeers and scammers from Ukraine.
      2. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich April 8 2020 07: 41 New
        17
        ... and they didn’t even plant, not one, ,, an effective manager, And they will milk it.
        1. major147
          major147 April 8 2020 08: 46 New
          -4
          Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
          So they will milk

          Several months ago I gave information on the costs of "guides" for these courts. If you deduct the costs of the courts from 3 billion dollars received, then the "guides" got a penny. Filing a claim against Gazprom would be a violation of the concluded agreement, which gives grounds for its termination.
          1. Kronos
            Kronos April 8 2020 10: 21 New
            15
            If you are off course, Gazprom will compensate for the costs as a loser in court
            1. major147
              major147 April 8 2020 15: 37 New
              -1
              Not all of the lawsuits they filed worked. For the year the picture turned out for the "guides" is not as victorious as they wanted to show.
          2. Arpad
            Arpad April 8 2020 11: 09 New
            +4
            Quote: major147
            Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
            So they will milk

            Several months ago I gave information on the costs of "guides" for these courts. If you deduct the costs of the courts from 3 billion dollars received, then the "guides" got a penny. Filing a claim against Gazprom would be a violation of the concluded agreement, which gives grounds for its termination.

            You want to say that the costs of the courts exceeded a billion?
            Or hundreds of millions?
            I'm not saying that the costs of the second side are usually comparable - don’t you?
            And certainly the fees of law firms are millions, maybe a dozen, but certainly nothing more.
          3. Chervonny
            Chervonny April 8 2020 13: 38 New
            17
            Quote: major147
            Filing a claim against Gazprom would be a violation of the concluded agreement, which gives grounds for its termination.

            And as a result, there will be a new lawsuit against Gazprom, according to which Gazprom will again pay. And all the losses will fall on the shoulders of Russian consumers. Maybe something or someone needs to be changed?
            1. Metallurg_2
              Metallurg_2 April 8 2020 19: 37 New
              +2
              So, where did you see the non-alternative president changing non-alternative managers?
          4. Maikcg
            Maikcg April 8 2020 15: 40 New
            +5
            There seemed to be about the withdrawal of old lawsuits and claims, about the "new" there were no words, about which the divan forecasters wanged even earlier, warning that it was no longer possible to have any agreements with Ukraine, because there is no subject capable of performing them .. IChSKh divan predictors this time were not mistaken.
        2. Chervonny
          Chervonny April 8 2020 13: 37 New
          16
          Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
          and not even planted, not one ,, effective manager ,,

          Who will plant the "effective manager"? They have no alternative, there are no others. And so we have everywhere. In a multi-million dollar country, you can't find a replacement for all these managers, I don't even know what to call it ...
      3. knn54
        knn54 April 8 2020 07: 44 New
        11
        It's time to get used to the fact that the so-called "international courts" do not decide, but appoint.
        The author did not mention the arbitration in the Crimea, which refers to $ 8 billion for the loss of assets. Naftogaz believes that the lawsuit will be brought against the Russian Federation, not Gazprom, and therefore this arbitration does not fall under the settlement agreement with the Russian company, signed in December last year.
      4. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine April 8 2020 08: 04 New
        +5
        Quote: Dalny V

        Why not milk if he is milked? How many laughs were there at the bastards when those first complaints began to be made?

        With this "! Hetmanate 404" it is high time to end all communications, diplomatic, trade communications and even close the mail.
        1. Chervonny
          Chervonny April 8 2020 13: 38 New
          19
          Quote: tihonmarine
          With this "! Hetmanate 404" it is high time to end all connections

          It was necessary to solve the problem in 2014. And now it’s already difficult to solve problems that arise with them, but it’s possible.
      5. Chervonny
        Chervonny April 8 2020 13: 35 New
        17
        Quote: Dalny V
        Gazprim ran to pay, losing port

        In Gazprom, anti-Russian forces seem to have entrenched themselves. And so it is with us in everything.
        Quote: Dalny V
        Shamefully it's all somehow, to be honest.
    2. Teberii
      Teberii April 8 2020 06: 32 New
      27
      Once it turned out, so why not repeat it. Only now it’s not 3 billion, but a whole 17 billion. The appetite comes with food. Yes, and there are helpers to be awarded.
      1. figwam
        figwam April 8 2020 11: 34 New
        +4
        But three and a half months passed, and it turned out that Naftogaz was again determined to recover billions of dollars from Gazprom.

    3. Paul Siebert
      Paul Siebert April 8 2020 06: 54 New
      +8
      Svidomye smelled the weakness of Gazprom.
      The "marauder effect" worked. It is in their blood - looting and begging ...
      From a dead donkey ears, of course, they will receive ...
      But disgust for them will not go anywhere ...
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent April 8 2020 07: 19 New
        +3
        Quote: Paul Siebert
        Svidomye smelled the weakness of Gazprom.

        There is a question for Russia (in the picture), from which the second follows - the state is going to defend its ?

      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine April 8 2020 08: 04 New
        +3
        Quote: Paul Siebert
        Svidomye smelled the weakness of Gazprom

        Probably the Soviets beyond the hill have good ones.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent April 8 2020 08: 25 New
          0
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Probably the Soviets beyond the hill have good ones.


          "There is a prophet in his own country." ?

          The meaning of the expression: people do not believe in the talent, genius of the Russian people, people who are near us. It is assumed that everything truly wise, correct, etc., can be born not in Russia, but somewhere in a beautiful distant place.
      3. Comrade Michael
        Comrade Michael April 8 2020 10: 21 New
        +7
        This is not Gazprom’s weakness, it’s the weakness and lack of will of the Russian State ...
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 8 2020 12: 31 New
          0
          All obligations are specified in the contract, including by the Ukrainian side - if Gazprom begins to roll out new claims, the gas transportation and gas supply contract can rightfully be broken - Europe will have the smallest gas demand soon, and by the end of the year Nord Stream 2 will be completed .
          1. ankon
            ankon April 9 2020 12: 14 New
            +3
            Vadim, you probably live on the moon. They will not complete the construction, because there is nothing! For 20 years of the "great" reign, everything has been destroyed. In 2019, they were able to assemble 1 SU-57 aircraft and that one was killed, and the USA surrendered 130 of these. Don't you understand where they are taking us?
      4. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich April 8 2020 11: 04 New
        +4
        Power is milking Gazprom. Ordinary forelocks do not climb out of construction sites in Russia. As a result, in most regional cities there are no elementary construction vocational schools, but there are houses, shopping centers and industrial construction. Now, even in construction specialties, we are dependent. And the money earned from the "damned Muscovites" feeds more than one generation of zigging Ukrainian children.
    4. Thrifty
      Thrifty April 8 2020 07: 16 New
      23
      Annul all contracts and agreements with uk-roina! Totally send their guest workers from Russia, without the right to return! Do not let them into the territory of Russia, from their transfers to uk-roin take an additional 15 percent of the amount from the transfer amount! Prohibit the transfer of over 15000 Russian rubles, or the equivalent of this amount, to uk-ukrain! It's time to put Kiev in place, and put it tough, even cruel! Openly start helping the Donbass, demand immediate federalization through the UN, recognize the republics officially! By all means, achieve the collapse of Ukraine, and take all the Russian lands back!
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine April 8 2020 08: 08 New
        +2
        Quote: Thrifty
        Prohibit the transfer of over 15000 Russian rubles, or the equivalent of this amount, to uk-ukrain!

        Well, you generously waved something, 15 rubles is already money. Trim your number three times.
        1. Chervonny
          Chervonny April 8 2020 13: 39 New
          15
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Trim your number three times.

          And it’s better to ban transfers to Ukraine altogether.
      2. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn April 8 2020 09: 14 New
        10
        Quote: Thrifty
        Annul all contracts and agreements with uk-roina! Totally send their guest workers from Russia, without the right to return! Do not let them into the territory of Russia, from their transfers to uk-roin take an additional 15 percent of the amount from the transfer amount!

        What country do you live in ?! The first response is already on the nose. So to say, they decided to support the people in the fight against coronovirus and the economic crisis. This is when gas prices fall
        MOSCOW, April 7. / TASS /. The Federal Antimonopoly Service (FAS) of Russia proposed from July 1, 2020 to increase wholesale prices for gas intended for sale to the population by 3%. The corresponding draft order is published on the official portal of draft legal acts.
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 8 2020 12: 33 New
        -6
        So LDNR recognized - passports of the Russian Federation issue.
        1. Chervonny
          Chervonny April 8 2020 13: 39 New
          18
          Quote: Vadim237
          So LDNR recognized - passports of the Russian Federation issue.

          And the embassy was opened? And we already conclude interstate agreements?
      4. Chervonny
        Chervonny April 8 2020 13: 39 New
        14
        You have written everything correctly, but, alas!, We do not have in the power of such politicians who can translate everything you have written into reality.
      5. Igoresha
        Igoresha April 9 2020 13: 55 New
        -1
        half will cancel the military order and pay Ukraine
    5. rocket757
      rocket757 April 8 2020 07: 32 New
      15
      Quote: DMB 75
      Where were all these effective lawyers with managers when the contracts were concluded, hz.

      And they piled off ..... on their "golden parachutes" !!! And someone, maybe on yachts.
      This "rake" on the other end has something essential, lethal, at the other end it is necessary to fix it !!! Schaub once and there is no one else to step on them again and again !!! natural selection had to be carried out, Schaub was not the next one am
      1. Chervonny
        Chervonny April 8 2020 13: 40 New
        16
        Quote: rocket757
        And they piled off ..... on their "golden parachutes" !!!

        What do they pay "golden parachutes" for? What do they get money for? For betraying the national interests of the country?
    6. da Vinci
      da Vinci April 8 2020 10: 19 New
      0
      As where? At ATMs, the cash of their RFP was withdrawn (I represent the size of the ATM wink )!
    7. alexmach
      alexmach April 8 2020 10: 24 New
      +1
      And what have the contracts to do with it? Contracts settled claims on transit-consumer contracts. And Naftogaz still had a claim about lost property in the Crimea, for example.
    8. Gene84
      Gene84 April 8 2020 12: 52 New
      17
      Quote: DMB 75
      Now that is how Gazprom will milk.

      They have found a gold mine and will now milk it constantly.
      1. Chervonny
        Chervonny April 8 2020 13: 40 New
        17
        Quote: Gene84
        They have found a gold mine and will now milk it constantly.

        It would be necessary to block this source. But who will overlap? We have no enemies, only partners ...
    9. Chervonny
      Chervonny April 8 2020 13: 35 New
      16
      Quote: DMB 75
      Well begins ...

      It goes on ...
    10. IL-64
      IL-64 April 9 2020 16: 03 New
      0
      And how can one conduct business if international arbitrations retroactively change the essential terms of contracts?
    11. venik
      venik April 23 2020 23: 33 New
      -2
      Quote: DMB 75
      Now that is how Gazprem will be

      =======
      This is - Hardly ... All the more, "Chersky" is already on its way, which means that the completion of the SP-2 is also "not far off" ...
      If they try to "crush" or "milk" - they may, after all, "rake" the new contract ... Much less "sweet" (for all these broken-off "vitrenki", kobolevye "and protchay who sits there) ...
      Moreover, in the currently EXITING Treaty there is a clause on "no mutual claims ", as fundamental ... And these" khokhlo-vitrenki "- just wanted to cut down a couple of" green lyams "for free ....
      It seems that they will not "cut down", but "ogrebut" (moreover, by "the most I can not"!)
      PS Well, now - you can "throw slippers"! tongue
  2. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 April 8 2020 06: 18 New
    15
    Miller is not going to resign?
    1. Ugolek
      Ugolek April 8 2020 06: 22 New
      +4
      Where is it seen that the stomach points to the bread? This is a comic situation, but nevertheless it is quite serious. As long as foreign law will prevail over the law of the Russian Federation, such a situation is inevitable. How could this have happened in the USSR, so that someone would demand referring to the decision of a court in Stockholm?
      1. orionvitt
        orionvitt April 8 2020 08: 36 New
        -2
        Quote: Ugolek
        As long as foreign law will prevail over the law of the Russian Federation, such a situation is inevitable.

        Are you talking about changes in the constitution? Now mothers "patriots" will peck. Heard about the next Wishlist of Ukraine, and already howl to heaven. The fact that Ukraine was paid 3 billion is a problem a decade ago, before it was necessary to think when long-term contracts were drawn up. I think now, such a number will no longer work, now, as in that joke, Ukraine will already be buried. Zadolbala.
        1. Chervonny
          Chervonny April 8 2020 13: 41 New
          17
          Quote: orionvitt
          such a number will not fail, now, as in that joke, they will already bury Ukraine. Zadolbala.

          A ride and more than once.
          We don’t have funeral workers, bury Ukraine. in 2014 all this could have been avoided.
      2. Kronos
        Kronos April 8 2020 10: 33 New
        +3
        It is impossible not to comply with the court decision on the goods that you sell there yourself
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir April 8 2020 06: 40 New
      27
      Miller is going to raise gas fees for residents of Russia. Collect billions of Ukraine.
    3. Insurgent
      Insurgent April 8 2020 07: 36 New
      +5
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Miller is not going to resign?

      Not in defense of Miller will be said, but in this situation, only part of his guilt.

      The main responsibility lies with the Kremlin, which has accepted erroneous political half measures (decisions) on the outskirts in 2014 ....

      Now, it's time to reap the "fruits" ... And what else the "harvest" can be, hardly anyone can predict. yes
    4. Aibolit
      Aibolit April 8 2020 07: 43 New
      10
      Going to raise gas prices for the Russian population
      The Federal Antimonopoly Service proposes to increase wholesale prices for gas intended for sale to the public by 3%.

      New tariffs are proposed to be set from July 1, 2020. For other categories of consumers, not counting the population, prices are offered to increase by 2,99%.

      The proposed increase will be greater than in 2019, when wholesale gas prices for the population were increased by 1,4%.
      The increase will help Gazprom, gas prices to European customers collapsed.

      Etozhzhzh "national treasure"
    5. Chervonny
      Chervonny April 8 2020 13: 40 New
      15
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Miller is not going to resign?

      Doesn't even think.
  3. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav April 8 2020 06: 24 New
    +4
    give them a finger and they chop off a hand, and the Gazprom men have already relaxed, once they have paid, they will milk forever, especially these 404
    1. Ugolek
      Ugolek April 8 2020 06: 28 New
      +4
      I think we need to do this: send to the same court for consideration all contracts not completed by Ukraine since 2014. There, there were matters concerning the engines for ships, and a number of contracts probably broke. So you need to beat in this place.
      1. mole
        mole April 8 2020 07: 09 New
        +3
        It’s better not to send, otherwise we should find ourselves again. wink
        And so unconditionally it is necessary to answer so that it is not disgraceful.
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon April 8 2020 08: 36 New
        +2
        Quote: Ugolek
        send to the same court

        This court makes only such decisions, which its owners lower it. Do you still believe in his justice, independence and impartiality?
        1. Chervonny
          Chervonny April 8 2020 13: 41 New
          19
          Quote: Piramidon
          This court makes only such decisions, which its owners lower it.

          There is no other court to resolve such issues.
          Quote: Piramidon
          Do you still believe in his justice, independence and impartiality?

          Why did you get up? There is nothing to comply with the decisions of this court. Oh yes, I forgot completely, our non-bourgeoisie abroad have children, lovers, real estate ... So, we have to comply with court decisions ...
  4. Avior
    Avior April 8 2020 06: 25 New
    +5
    In Ukraine, in Naftogaz, personnel changes, there is the question of replacing Vitrenko. They can’t find a suitable candidate yet.
    It seems that Vitrenko himself delivered a counter strike, making it difficult for someone to replace him.
    Vitrenko is the son of Natalia Vitrenko, one of the most pro-Russian politicians in Ukraine, who has now moved away from politics.
    That's what I think. Considering how Vitrenko pushed this debt of 3 billion from Gazprom, if he is replaced in Naftogaz, it would be very useful to invite him to Gazprom and let him sue Naftogaz and others, he seems to get it smile
    1. orionvitt
      orionvitt April 8 2020 08: 42 New
      0
      Quote: Avior
      Natalia Vitrenko, one of the most pro-Russian politicians in Ukraine

      Vetrenko, a pro-Russian politician? That fear God. There are no such people in Ukraine, and in general it never happened. The whole point of Ukrainians lies in the fact that if for the good of Ukraine, it means necessarily to the detriment and at the expense of Russia. They have no other postulates.
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      2. Leshy1975
        Leshy1975 April 8 2020 09: 55 New
        +6
        Quote: orionvitt
        Quote: Avior
        Natalia Vitrenko, one of the most pro-Russian politicians in Ukraine

        Vetrenko, a pro-Russian politician? That fear God. There are no such people in Ukraine, and in general it never happened. The whole point of Ukraine lies in the fact that if for the good of Ukraine, then necessarily to the detriment and at the expense of Russia. They have no other postulates.

        Well, about Yanukovych, okay, we won’t let him live in Rostov quietly (although they wrote that he too had overcome something and people were unhappy with his behavior).
        But what about the godfather of Mr. Putin? Something you confuse us here, maybe even on purpose. If Medvedchuk is not a pro-Russian politician, then why are they rushing with him in the Kremlin like with a written bag? If Medvedchuk is not pro-Russian, then it turns out that Putin was once again mistaken in supporting (Kuma) another anti-Russian politician.
        it means necessarily to the detriment and at the expense of Russia.
        And since Mr. Putin supports Mr. Medvedchuk, it turns out that he also works with him
        to the detriment and expense of Russia
        .
        Does the Kremlin’s policy in general, in particular in the Ukrainian direction, seem like ordinary chaos? If for so many years, they could not find and promote a real pro-Russian politician.

        PS Water does not flow under a lying stone. Interestingly, but where do the pro-American come from? Can they be born like that? hi
        1. Avior
          Avior April 8 2020 10: 07 New
          +2
          in Ukraine there were many pro-Russian and besides Medvedchuk. By the way, he usually tries to stay in the background, highlighting others, although the vector of his views is clear to everyone.
          And as for Vitrenko
          https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Витренко,_Наталья_Михайловна
          In April 1996, together with Vladimir Marchenko, she created the Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine (PSPU), which declared its goal to restore Soviet power as the power of the working people, create a planned, socialist economy, Ukraine's alliance with Russia and Belarus.

          hi
          1. Leshy1975
            Leshy1975 April 8 2020 10: 50 New
            +7
            Quote: Avior
            in Ukraine there were many pro-Russian and besides Medvedchuk. By the way, he usually tries to stay in the background, highlighting others, although the vector of his views is clear to everyone.
            And as for Vitrenko
            https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Витренко,_Наталья_Михайловна
            In April 1996, together with Vladimir Marchenko, she created the Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine (PSPU), which declared its goal to restore Soviet power as the power of the working people, create a planned, socialist economy, Ukraine's alliance with Russia and Belarus.

            hi

            I'm with you hi I completely agree. I wrote above why. As soon as the next failure of the "wisest" policy is discovered, statements in the spirit must appear: yes, I didn't really want to, but there was no one to try for, and there are no pro-Russian ones and the apotheosis always sounds about the fact that Russia has only two allies ...
            As if no one already remembers what happened in the recent past and does not see what is happening now. Anything, just not admit mistakes and failures. Well, and accordingly, they begin to make logical mistakes "going out on themselves during the investigation." If there are no pro-Russian politicians in Ukraine and they act only to the detriment of the Russian Federation, then it turns out that when the authorities of the Russian Federation support someone, then following this logic, they also act together to the detriment of themselves. laughing A kind of malicious international organized crime group is formed.
            Here, many people think that I, out of some personal hostility, constantly criticize Mr. Putin. But at the heart of this attitude of mine is pure logic. It has long been noticeable and understandable that the current government, headed by Mr. Putin, categorically refuses to recognize defeats and failures. Putin is only where victory is. And all propaganda is imprisoned for this, declare any defeat a victory, the legs of the KhPP are growing from there. And here the logic begins.
            To solve any problem or fix the error, you need to perform at least two minimum steps:
            1) recognize the error (to comprehend)
            2) fix the error
            But if you are only where victory and mistakes do not recognize, then you cannot correct them. This is a logical impasse for the development of the country too. Therefore, including and because of such psychological peculiarities of some people in our country, none of the highest ones is practically responsible (since defeats are not recognized, what to punish for), and the United States are appointed to blame for everything, and of course, there is nowhere without Israel. laughing
            This position always seemed ridiculous to me when someone else was always to blame, and it turns out that you defeated everyone, but these evil others (USA, Israel) at the same time do anything to you and are to blame for everything.
            With Ukraine, it’s so enchanting at all: We in Ukraine have outplayed everyone (all of recent years, political talk shows in the Russian Federation only about this), but we are not there right now, because the United States is to blame. request
            1. Avior
              Avior April 8 2020 10: 56 New
              +4
              as for me, the evaluation of any actions should be started from the voicing of the plan to the actions themselves.
              Well, for example, reduce the US shale industry by 80 percent.
              and then slam the door.
              or - increase GDP by 5 percent.
              or some other plan.
              Then you can evaluate how successfully the plan turned out, comparing it with real results.
              And if you don’t voice any plans, you can always retroactively adjust the alleged plans to the existing result.
              But it seems that upstairs also understand this smile
    2. Moon
      Moon April 8 2020 08: 46 New
      -1
      Quote: Avior
      Vitrenko is the son of Natalia Vitrenko, one of the most pro-Russian politicians in Ukraine, who has now moved away from politics.

      that yes .. after 14 years they don’t believe pro-Russian at all. Unpopular. I see why.
      But there are neutrals.
      Quote: Avior
      That's what I think. Considering how Vitrenko pushed this debt of 3 billion from Gazprom, if he is replaced in Naftogaz, it would be very useful to invite him to Gazprom and let him sue Naftogaz and others, he seems to get it

      what are you? He is wayward. With character. Not suitable for staples and behavior.
      Such people decide how to be. But in Gazprom there is no place for such people.
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 April 8 2020 09: 48 New
        0
        Quote: Σελήνη
        there are neutrals.

        laughing laughing laughing Well, met. yes Only they are called differently - khataskrayniks, like one underodessite who hangs around here to this day. Such "neutrals" were seen in the coffin. am
        With the same banderlogs, everything is much simpler and more understandable.
  5. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 April 8 2020 06: 25 New
    -7
    Dill loves a freebie!
    Dill like a freebie!
    1. 72jora72
      72jora72 April 8 2020 07: 16 New
      +5
      Dill loves a freebie!
      Dill like a freebie!
      And why not, if there is a "suffered" which can be milked with impunity ...
      1. Chervonny
        Chervonny April 8 2020 13: 41 New
        13
        Quote: 72jora72
        And why not, if there is a "suffered" which can be milked with impunity ...

        And who also does not mind milking himself
  6. Mytholog
    Mytholog April 8 2020 06: 27 New
    +4
    The impudent bastard wrote something there on his Facebook, decided to show off. This is not a document yet, it just winds up nerves.
    It may turn out that this is his "farewell tour" before dismissal, for example.
    In any case, this is a hype, not more.
  7. Evdokim
    Evdokim April 8 2020 06: 27 New
    -2
    Ukraine in its repertoire - again wants to enter heaven on someone's penis. hi
    1. 75 Sergey
      75 Sergey April 8 2020 06: 39 New
      11
      Or maybe it’s necessary, since Gazprom so easily fulfills the requirements of the European Court, can the peoples of Russia also sue Gazprom and the rest there?
      The little casket just opens .... or "they live there"?
      1. Evdokim
        Evdokim April 8 2020 06: 57 New
        +1
        Quote: 75Sergey
        Or maybe it’s necessary, since Gazprom so easily fulfills the requirements of the European Court,

        Or maybe send them in the forest. Both the court and freeloaders like Ukraine, Poland, the Tribaltika have one thing in common with their claims, the desire for Russia "Repented and paid. ". Repentance is a bonus, paying is the main thing.
        Of course, I guess who threw the cons for the last comment. We would sit in our Independent Square and not blather, horseback riding enthusiasts themselves know what. hi
        1. orionvitt
          orionvitt April 8 2020 08: 47 New
          0
          Quote: Evdokim
          I guess who threw me the cons for the last comment.

          You are somewhat mistaken. And in Russia a lot of "literate" divorced, not only in Ukraine. Thinking exclusively according to the Sharikov method. Namely, on questions of cosmic complexity, they give advice to cosmic stupidity. The main thing is to hyip on feelings. I read the comments to this article, and I am amazed. Are people in quarantine so dumb.
          1. Evdokim
            Evdokim April 8 2020 09: 26 New
            -3
            Quote: orionvitt
            Somewhat wrong.

            Whether I am mistaken or not, local races or foreign ones, it doesn’t matter. The main thing is that they are active.
            And the active and active Sharikovs are dangerous not only because of their cosmic stupidity, but also because they want to put this stupidity into practice, regardless of anything, and this is an order of magnitude more dangerous.
            Yes, and now you Sharikoid minuses bullet. hi
          2. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 April 8 2020 09: 52 New
            +3
            Quote: orionvitt
            Are quarantined people so dumb.

            It all happened much earlier. yes And quarantine freed up a lot of time from the aforementioned organisms, so the philistine is frolicing. What is characteristic, there are few under a glass - therefore, the bulk are magical in life. wassat
      2. Chervonny
        Chervonny April 8 2020 13: 42 New
        18
        Quote: 75Sergey
        can the peoples of Russia also sue Gazprom and the rest there?

        And who will comply with court decisions in relation to the people? They cherish their face in front of partners, and they don’t give a damn about the people.
  8. Free wind
    Free wind April 8 2020 06: 29 New
    19
    Gazprom paid 3 lard and did not blather, so there are a lot of stocks. I wonder who concludes contracts there? Who are the lawyers. This national treasure is expensive for us. We’ll pay for all this.
    1. 75 Sergey
      75 Sergey April 8 2020 06: 36 New
      16
      The main bonuses and bonuses all received.
    2. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 April 8 2020 07: 54 New
      -16
      Gazprom paid 3 lard and did not blather, .... are you sure that Gazprom paid three lard to Naftagaz ??? if sure. then dedicate to where. rather, what goals were sent to 404, but I'm sure that no one paid anyone. these three lard are simply stupidly led out by the miller over the hill. and with regards to the territory of 404, however, they no longer have to pay them. zemletsa on sale central bank on full external management without satisfaction
    3. orionvitt
      orionvitt April 8 2020 08: 57 New
      -2
      Quote: Free Wind
      then there are a lot of stocks. I wonder who concludes contracts there?

      I already wrote, but I will repeat myself. The problem with paying Ukraine by courts arose ten years ago, when long-term gas contracts were concluded with Europe and Ukraine (then it seemed that it was still quite loyal). After the Maidan, "all progressive humanity", led by the "democratic west", did everything to humiliate Russia. Yes, I agree, you had to think before, but as the saying goes, "I would know the purchase, I would live in Sochi." I think that such options will no longer work. And finally. One of the distinguishing features of Russia is the mandatory implementation of all international treaties, while "progressive mankind", very easily, simply spits on these treaties. Maybe sometimes you just need to do what is beneficial for Russia itself, so to speak "in the light of the circumstances that have arisen"? And do not care about the world community, whoever needs it, they already understand everything.
  9. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 April 8 2020 06: 29 New
    +1
    Sooner or later, it will be necessary to solve the problem with the hostile state of Ukro-in, because to spoil Russia, this is the main idea of ​​Ukraine and Ukrainian politics as a state.
  10. Graz
    Graz April 8 2020 06: 31 New
    +2
    in my opinion it’s cheaper to bomb them, because it will never stop
    1. Gene84
      Gene84 April 8 2020 13: 30 New
      16
      No one will make such a decision in our country. It’s not customary to bomb our partners.
    2. Aag
      Aag April 8 2020 14: 10 New
      0
      Are you talking about Gazprom? good
  11. Lamata
    Lamata April 8 2020 06: 31 New
    +2
    The Chinese have shown that for them the Arbitration. In FIG. Not satisfied aunts,
    1. Gene84
      Gene84 April 8 2020 13: 30 New
      14
      Well the Chinese, but then we ...
  12. svp67
    svp67 April 8 2020 06: 35 New
    +3
    Yes, it is really worthwhile to give in to such "gopniks" once and their requests will only start to grow ... For $ 17 billion, it is easier to equate not only Naftogaz, but the whole of Ukraine with sea level
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir April 8 2020 06: 46 New
      +9
      That is, you think that Ukrainians are to blame, and not those atoms losing slippers running to pay?
      1. svp67
        svp67 April 8 2020 06: 48 New
        -6
        Quote: Gardamir
        That is, you think that Ukrainians are to blame, and not those atoms losing slippers running to pay?

        No, "Rogers Rabbit" is to blame
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir April 8 2020 06: 54 New
          11
          But in vain. A similar situation could be foreseen in 2014, it would be better earlier. But for some reason no one thought afterwards.
          Prepare and exit with the least loss. But people in the Kremlin want to have dollars now, not realizing that tomorrow they can take off their last shirt.
          One must have brains to understand that this is not a bad Soviet Union. It was then that the West surrounded us with the Iron Curtain. And everything is repeated regardless of ideology.
          1. svp67
            svp67 April 8 2020 06: 58 New
            -8
            Quote: Gardamir
            But people in the Kremlin want to have dollars now

            Do you often go there? Do they personally tell you about this?
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir April 8 2020 07: 06 New
              11
              You know, I studied at school and two plus two is not difficult to add, especially if the task is constantly repeated.
              1. svp67
                svp67 April 8 2020 07: 09 New
                -4
                Quote: Gardamir
                You know, I studied at school and two plus two is not difficult to add, especially if the task is constantly repeated.

                Ah .... Well tady oh ...
              2. Crimean partisan 1974
                Crimean partisan 1974 April 8 2020 08: 06 New
                -6
                You know, I studied at school and it's not difficult to add two plus two, ......... I studied badly, the financial system lives in a binary code where there are only two digits 0 and 1, in other words "there is current and there is no current",
                1. Gardamir
                  Gardamir April 8 2020 10: 25 New
                  +4
                  Ak, what did I say? Or in Russia there is self-production and we are not afraid of fines or sanctions. Or our economy is zero and for this we pay everyone.
                  1. Gene84
                    Gene84 April 8 2020 13: 32 New
                    20
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    Or our economy is zero and for this we pay everyone.

                    We have no economy, we have a flea market.
  13. 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey April 8 2020 06: 36 New
    +8
    Who would doubt that?!
    They didn’t send right away, now they will constantly beg.
    And who decided to be friends with Europa according to her laws?
  14. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 8 2020 06: 37 New
    +8
    Naftogaz is again determined to recover billions of dollars from Gazprom
    The lesson to Gazprom (though not the first one) - don't you understand at all with whom you are dealing. Ukrainian free slurp will be revealed constantly, regardless of the agreements concluded. And it can only be shut up by the once adopted tough economic decision in relation not only to Naftogaz, but to Ukraine as a whole.
    1. Avior
      Avior April 8 2020 06: 51 New
      0
      They agreed to annul the affairs that existed at that moment, and there were no talks about new ones.
      Did you read that agreement in Gazprom briefly and did not pay attention, or were you simply sure that no one could have any complaints against them?
  15. Karaul73
    Karaul73 April 8 2020 06: 47 New
    12
    Quote: Gardamir
    Miller is going to raise gas fees for residents of Russia. Collect billions of Ukraine.

    Let the whole world help Miller. Do not leave the same man! Putin does not give up!
  16. Van 16
    Van 16 April 8 2020 06: 53 New
    10
    I am more concerned about Russia. The FAS has proposed raising the price of gas for the population from July 1 by 2,99 percent. Worry, we live.
    1. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 April 8 2020 08: 31 New
      -11
      I am more concerned about Russia. The FAS has proposed raising the price of gas for the population from July 1 by 2,99 percent. Get lost ..... that is, 20 cents? and what fear is it from mere assumptions of some sort of FAS? Well there will be 5.50 and what ??? IN EUROPE IT IS ON RUBLES OF 20, while in Europe there are no preferential discounts for the population to such groups as pensioners, people with disabilities, and many children ..... in short, an empty panic
      1. Van 16
        Van 16 April 8 2020 09: 03 New
        10
        Does the fact itself bother you when, instead of helping the people to survive this difficult time, the prices for "national property", on the contrary, are raised?
        1. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 April 8 2020 14: 32 New
          -1
          hard time, prices for "national property" on the contrary raise? ...... no, it does not bother. I was at the gas station today. did not observe any changes. exactly like in other areas. In any case, the spouse works at the post office and did not talk about any changes, if anything, there is no need to pull her by the tongue, I am strained by something else. the household stores were closed, for which it is not clear. type of food less dangerous for infection? and it's spring. it's time to do household work. and here oops. the shops are closed
          1. Van 16
            Van 16 April 8 2020 14: 37 New
            +1
            We have large ones, such as Leroy, working, and small ones - yes, they are also closed.
      2. Aibolit
        Aibolit April 8 2020 09: 51 New
        +7
        “And what?” Yes, nothing: 20 kopecks per cubic meter. It will cost me approximately + 150₽ / month, under 1800 rubles per year.
        Pennies, ash stump
        There are 10 million payers like me.
        Already not bad for Miller
        * for reference: in Europe, gas is currently sold at wholesale at less than $ 100, including 20 rubles / cu will not be there.
        Yes, and spit lope there is gas in Europe. At least 20 euros / cubic
        If you broadcast, so enlighten how much gas is in Qatar for the population !?
        We are interested in our country:
        “Homeland.
        I'm going to my homeland
        Let them shout - ugly
        And we like her,
        Although not beautiful, "
        Our Homeland, the only country that during the k-19 pandemic:
        - increased taxes
        - the cost of gasoline at gas stations increased by 2-3 rubles (with a drop in oil prices by 3 times)
        - Well, and the gas is going to increase.
        "Yes that's right."
        For the slaves they will explain about the current moment
  17. Oleg Kolsky 051
    Oleg Kolsky 051 April 8 2020 06: 55 New
    18
    Russia will more than once regurgitate Putin's cowardice at 14, the recognition of the coup, the refusal to restore order on the lands of Novorossiya, Little Russia. And the words were galloping ... The "guarantor" turned out to be weak in his knees. It was worth rolling up the Buchalter ...
    And now Russia is being brazenly milked without sucker and life is bad.
  18. evgen1221
    evgen1221 April 8 2020 06: 56 New
    +9
    At the hands of the drivers of our country, as before, imperial ambitions and fraternal peoples seem to be imagining, It’s time to forget about it, since all these fraternal peoples end as soon as we stop feeding them for free.
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich April 8 2020 07: 14 New
      0
      Yeah. I also wrote about this and caught the minuses. I hope it will reach people that we are squandering our country, for the sake of some kind of, brothers,
  19. Termit1309
    Termit1309 April 8 2020 07: 08 New
    -4
    Quote: Mytholog
    The impudent bastard wrote something there on his Facebook, decided to show off. This is not a document yet, it just winds up nerves.
    It may turn out that this is his "farewell tour" before dismissal, for example.
    In any case, this is a hype, not more.

    Interestingly, the most adequate commentary received the most cons. Does local hypeist hurt your eyes?
    1. Moon
      Moon April 8 2020 08: 49 New
      +1
      Quote: Termit1309
      Interestingly, the most adequate commentary received the most cons. Does local hypeist hurt your eyes?

      if we discard the emotional part, it is not quite right.
      Information preparation has started. The preparation of a lawsuit is not a quick thing.
  20. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich April 8 2020 07: 11 New
    -1
    Gazprom, do not be a sucker. ,, elective ,, managers, damn it. You can’t believe chubat. Especially where rachit is about money.
  21. Lamata
    Lamata April 8 2020 07: 15 New
    +7
    And Miller, this is irreplaceable here.
  22. Chingachguk
    Chingachguk April 8 2020 07: 20 New
    -1
    How this epic with Naftogaz is already tired !!!! Soon Belarus will start doing the same !!!! Now everything is extorted and milked without ships, and as the milking dries up, lawsuits will fall in international courts, where Russia is for the first time guilty of the fact that it exists .....
  23. Qwertyarion
    Qwertyarion April 8 2020 07: 29 New
    +8
    . This time we are talking about financial claims of the Ukrainian company for an impressive amount of $ 17,3 billion.

    Miser pays twice
    Dumb thrice
    Gazprom is constantly ....
  24. Valery Charushin
    Valery Charushin April 8 2020 07: 32 New
    0
    According to the laws of the Russian Federation, it is necessary to appeal to the court at the place of registration of the defendant.
  25. Strashila
    Strashila April 8 2020 07: 33 New
    +1
    Why work if you can engage in litigation.
  26. Valery Charushin
    Valery Charushin April 8 2020 07: 36 New
    -8
    And they will adopt amendments to the Constitution, on the territory of Russia, decisions of foreign courts and laws of foreign states are drummed.
    1. ximkim
      ximkim April 8 2020 08: 05 New
      +6
      Quote: Valery Charushin
      And they will adopt amendments to the Constitution, on the territory of Russia, decisions of foreign courts and laws of foreign states are drummed.

      Gazprom abroad has: bank accounts, real estate and buyers. Therefore, they will be pretty nice to execute decisions of international courts.
    2. Hypatius
      Hypatius April 8 2020 08: 05 New
      -1
      And in Russia, and now, no one will arrest Gazprom yachts and money. And by the way, the 20th edition of the unaccepted draft constitution was adopted, signed, and even approved by the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation.
      1. orionvitt
        orionvitt April 8 2020 09: 10 New
        +1
        Quote: Hypatius
        And in Russia, and now, no one will arrest Gazprom yachts and money

        For the gifted, because capitalism. Under capitalism, no one forbids having yachts and money. As they say, for which they fought.
        1. Hypatius
          Hypatius April 8 2020 09: 25 New
          +2
          Talk about jurisdiction and amendments. I am not so gifted to see the relationship of international treaties with the economic system of society. I envy you right. laughing
          1. Kronos
            Kronos April 8 2020 10: 58 New
            +4
            adopted amendments will not hinder the arrest of Russian property abroad
            1. igor.borov775
              igor.borov775 April 8 2020 18: 15 New
              0
              We were going to arrest something with a fright, scribble some papers, We only have a law And the article says there is a statute of limitations for a financial crime, Not bad, It was voiced by Mr. Medvedev when the Greeks arrested their generals for corruption and ours who were involved in a statute of limitations, Lovely
  27. jovanni
    jovanni April 8 2020 07: 55 New
    0
    Once seduced, they paid, but now there will be no end to this. Did Gazprom’s leaders know this? Or not Gazprom ...
  28. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 8 2020 08: 24 New
    +2
    I don’t understand one thing, is it just one Miller ram with its hoppers or the whole economic block of our government?
  29. JonnyT
    JonnyT April 8 2020 08: 27 New
    +3
    Squinted in full.
    Although the rollbacks have not been canceled. I wonder how much of this amount of 17 million will go to lawyers and managers as bribes in order to push through the decision to collect debts from gazprim? After all, the top management of the national treasure needs to maintain their villas over the hill
    1. Avior
      Avior April 8 2020 09: 27 New
      +2
      Yes, as if it is not about millions, but about 17 billion
      A bit more
  30. Keeping
    Keeping April 8 2020 08: 27 New
    +2
    Send SMS to the number 8-800-700-87-78 and indicate in the message text the amount that the operator will write off in favor of the upcoming costs of Gazprom.
    Support the wealth of Russia!
    Remember, Russians don’t leave their own!
  31. steelmaker
    steelmaker April 8 2020 08: 30 New
    +1
    It will be cheaper in Ukraine to arrange the Maidan and annex it to Russia !? I would do that.
    "The wedge is knocked out by the wedge!"
    1. Aliken
      Aliken April 8 2020 09: 00 New
      +1
      This is the only way out. It is time to stop the mythology “the government is one, but the people have nothing to do with it,” the screws with regard to Ukraine must be tightened so that this nation itself (!) Would raise this power to a pitchfork, and then it will be possible to negotiate. The current policy of the Russian Federation is losing.
      1. Kronos
        Kronos April 8 2020 10: 59 New
        0
        In 90, how did you live in Russia? Nobody raised anyone on the pitchfork
  32. Aliken
    Aliken April 8 2020 08: 55 New
    +1
    Who would doubt that Naftogaz will cease to be engaged in milking?
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  34. polita4er
    polita4er April 8 2020 09: 14 New
    +3
    All of these managers, lawyers and other sechin receiving millions of salaries, ass contracts with Naftogaz signed?
  35. vit670
    vit670 April 8 2020 09: 30 New
    +2
    But after all, they will suck the Russian woman under our spineless leadership!
  36. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 April 8 2020 09: 31 New
    0
    I look at the reports a flock of banderlogs ran over all the minuses I set.)))
  37. master 52
    master 52 April 8 2020 09: 35 New
    +3
    Well, this was to be expected since we are the only one paying why not submit new claims to our Gazprom, everyone has already forgotten about the debt to us. here only one proverb fits "no sucker and life is bad" as it is not regrettable.
  38. shark
    shark April 8 2020 09: 58 New
    +2
    At first they laughed, then they said, "Well, this is necessary to ensure the work of the" property of Russia ", internestno, what version will they feed us now? I am ashamed of the country.
  39. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet April 8 2020 10: 00 New
    -5
    I already wrote and am writing again: to stop this chaos can only be one way, to destroy the building of Neftegaz with calibers. And to warn that once again they begin to stir up the water, we will hit with nuclear warheads.
  40. Maks1995
    Maks1995 April 8 2020 10: 16 New
    -1
    Gdp: doth you swallow dust
    Naftogaz: and Gazprom is already paying
  41. Comrade Michael
    Comrade Michael April 8 2020 10: 17 New
    +2
    I think they will succeed, as in previous visits .... (
  42. ShM05
    ShM05 April 8 2020 10: 22 New
    +2
    Do not worry, everything is fine, this is also part of the KhPP that has been going on since the age of 14, because we were explained to all the actions and inactions of the country's leadership. The cowardice of the leadership of 14 years still comes back to us more than once. Until we take away Ukraine from the United States and the West and return it to our sphere of influence, but this will never happen under this power because the West has everything that has been robbed since 91. Their home is where their money and families are, and this is definitely not Russia.
    1. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 April 8 2020 18: 20 New
      0
      Probably already late, the US has already voiced Georgia and Ukraine will join NATO,
  43. cniza
    cniza April 8 2020 12: 17 New
    +1
    But three and a half months passed, and it turned out that Naftogaz was again determined to recover billions of dollars from Gazprom.


    Only the grave will correct the hunchback ...
  44. georggy
    georggy April 8 2020 12: 40 New
    +1
    Ah, well done!
    Shod once, so why stop.
  45. BAI
    BAI April 8 2020 15: 06 New
    0
    I hope Gazprom is smart enough not to go to Stockholm for a hearing.
  46. Shelest2000
    Shelest2000 April 8 2020 15: 09 New
    0
    It is probably easier to break all contracts with ukrams (figs with him, pay a penalty) and stop all gas contacts with them. Europe should make a condition that Russia will have no business with 404 cases under no circumstances, pump gas through them - you want gas, help build the SP-2, and there will be no more gas through 404 and this is important. I think they would be blown away in Europe.
    But ... But something seems to me, the current government will be like those hedgehogs who cried, pricked, but continued to eat the cactus. She has no political will from the word at all. Alas...
  47. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 April 8 2020 19: 23 New
    0
    It’s time for Miller and the other inmates to give a good kick for efficiency.
  48. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey April 8 2020 21: 09 New
    0
    Naftogaz a priori can no longer exist in court proceedings, otherwise there would be no supplies through hohlyanbia. All fake further ongoing ...
  49. serezhasoldatow
    serezhasoldatow April 8 2020 21: 22 New
    0
    Is all visitors struck by the virus. It’s not a coronovirus, but it’s not cured. The cat threw it ... etc. Someone show the payment which was paid for the previous trial.
  50. Phoenix040
    Phoenix040 April 8 2020 22: 10 New
    +1
    The more there will be such questions, the sooner the Russian Federation will close the border with this Russophobic country and stop all relations with it ... As for me, the Russian Federation is high time to do it !!!