In Kazan, the assembly of the installation batch of new Tu-160M2 began

In Kazan, the assembly of the installation batch of new Tu-160M2 began

At the Kazan Aviation Plant. S. P. Gorbunov (a branch of PJSC Tupolev) began manufacturing an installation batch of strategic missile carriers Tu-160 of a new assembly. This was announced by Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu.


Speaking at a teleconference at the Russian Ministry of Defense on Tuesday, the head of the military department said that work was underway at the Kazan aircraft plant to restore the production of new strategic Tu-160 missile carriers and the production of the installation party had already begun.

Earlier it was reported that the aircraft of the new assembly and the deeply modernized combatant bombers Tu-160 of the Air Forces of the Russian Federation will not differ from each other, however they received different markings: Tu-160M ​​for the modernized combatant bombers and Tu-160M2 for those built from scratch.

Recall that the flight tests of the first prototype of a deeply modernized strategic missile carrier Tu-160M ​​passed February 2, 2020. The plane took off from the airfield of the Kazan Aviation Plant and spent 34 minutes in the air, flying at an altitude of 1500 meters.

In total, 160 Tu-15 combat aircraft rocket carriers of the Russian Federation Air Force should be upgraded to the Tu-160M ​​level in the future and ten new strategists Tu-2027M160 were built before 2 with the start of deliveries in 2023. The modernized missile carriers will go to the troops in 2021.

Earlier it was reported that the updated Tu-160 will receive new missile weapons.

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  1. The leader of the Redskins April 7 2020 14: 29 New
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    This is definitely great news!
    1. URAL72 April 7 2020 14: 41 New
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      Only today, young anti-Putinists with foam at the mouth proved that Russia could not restore the production of the Tu-160. True, PAK YES is still far away, because I think they will order at least the same amount. Come in handy!
      1. Nick April 7 2020 15: 44 New
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        Quote: URAL72
        True, PAK YES is still far away, because I think they will order at least the same amount. Come in handy!

        It is assumed that the rollout of the first prototype PAK DA will take place in two to three years, the first flight in 2025–2026. The adoption of the PAK DA complex is expected by 2029.
        https://vvs.moscow/aircraft/pak-da-perspektivnyj-aviacionnyj-kompleks-dalnej-aviacii/
      2. mole April 7 2020 15: 44 New
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        About the "young anti-Putinists" ...
        Let it be known to you that in the late 90s Shaimiev M.Sh. sent a "negotiator" to Moscow to resolve the issue of maintaining production? Not putting into metal but about its conservation. This negotiator left with a suitcase. In the authorities, the sentence “Let's preserve!” Received the answer: “We are not at war with anyone and are not going to fight!”. The negotiator was forced to open the suitcase.
        That canned. Thus preserving production.
        1. Aviator_ April 7 2020 16: 44 New
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          Shaimiev is a cunning Asian khan. And smart - he saved almost the entire Soviet legacy. Only the cadres are getting old and leaving - I recently talked with the management of KOMZ (Kazan Optical and Mechanical Plant), so there the young "managers" do not know what the "shadow device" is until they found one grandfather who developed them (IAB-458, IAB-463, etc.)
          1. Mebius April 7 2020 16: 58 New
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            Quote: Aviator_
            Shaimiev is a cunning Asian khan. And smart - he saved almost the entire Soviet legacy. Only the cadres are getting old and leaving - I recently talked with the management of KOMZ (Kazan Optical and Mechanical Plant), so there the young "managers" do not know what the "shadow device" is until they found one grandfather who developed them (IAB-458, IAB-463, etc.)

            Tricky agree, but Tatarstan is part of Russia and this is important!
            And then in Kazakhstan, baby Tony Blair is in advisers and they are sitting on gas and oil that they developed back in the days of the USSR, and everything else is abandoned .. hi
          2. mole April 7 2020 17: 00 New
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            "Shaimiev is a cunning Asian Khan."
            Yes, even a khan. But he only kept more than in the Urals. Instead of a dumb, but lucrative sale of defense enterprises, he kept them.
            The prospect worked. As expected not by the hands of the leader, but by the manager.
            1. Aviator_ April 7 2020 18: 16 New
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              Yes, I called him khan for comparison with our boyars and governors. The governor, as it was in history, was put on the territory "for feeding".
        2. Butchcassidy April 7 2020 17: 56 New
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          The statesman.
          1. mole April 7 2020 18: 00 New
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            Here is Shaimiev M.Sh. exactly Hero of Labor must be appropriated.
      3. Mebius April 7 2020 16: 52 New
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        Quote: URAL72
        Only today, young anti-Putinists with foam at the mouth proved that Russia could not restore the production of the Tu-160. True, PAK YES is still far away, because I think they will order at least the same amount. Come in handy!

        Don’t pay attention Oleg! ..They do not pay evil grants to them now)))
        That's what on the outskirts with Tu-mi of the USSR these demons were doing and are now screaming ..))

        I also had tears ..
        1. rigoletto2001 April 7 2020 21: 30 New
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          And in vain. Ukraine did not need these resource eaters at all, and at least they did not spend the budget on recycling.
          1. Suhow April 9 2020 08: 11 New
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            These aircraft were mainly with a large residual resource and the Russian Federation, as far as I remember, was ready to buy them, but for the sake of the striped they cut them.
            1. rigoletto2001 April 9 2020 11: 20 New
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              It’s not a matter of угод striped ’but the price of the deal. Ukraine at that time was ready to sell anything at a reasonable price and even at a discount, as soon as they agreed on the price, the remaining carcasses flew to Russia.
      4. Timon2155 April 7 2020 20: 56 New
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        By your logic, does Putin personally build a plane? No need to put an equal sign between Putin and the successes of Kazan. In the light of recent events, many believe that the faith in the Tsar has faded.
        1. URAL72 April 7 2020 21: 00 New
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          What events? Virus? So Putin is not the Ministry of Health, or even the Ministry of Emergencies, he has even less relation to the virus than to defense. Commander-in-Chief no matter how.
          1. Deck April 9 2020 12: 33 New
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            What events? Virus? So Putin is not the Ministry of Health, or even the Ministry of Emergencies, he has even less relation to the virus than to defense. Commander-in-Chief no matter how.


            Recent events have shown that he has nothing to do with it. His business is to tell old jokes
        2. SSR
          SSR April 7 2020 22: 17 New
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          Quote: Timon2155
          By your logic, does Putin personally build a plane?

          Wow. According to your people, it works and didn’t fall under # the best house ... Yes, how did you anneal it!
          Quote: Timon2155
          No need to put an equal sign between Putin and the successes of Kazan.

          Yeah, the Kazan forces, by washing and riding, forced the president and the government .... Buy a new Tu-160! How much was poured into Kazan since 2013-2014 ?! We are a region, a private office with a staff of 50 people carried out the modernization of buildings.
          Strength is not your comment; it’s akin to being tamed; you pulled yourself out of a swamp from a swamp.
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            1. tech3030 April 8 2020 08: 39 New
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              Timon2155 (Timur) I subscribe to every word!
            2. Dart2027 April 9 2020 10: 26 New
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              Quote: Timon2155
              I think that in 20 years they could have riveted both bombers and ships, and much more.

              Said the man who played computer games. In life, this requires a lot of time and effort.
              1. Timon2155 April 9 2020 23: 19 New
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                Look around, a lover of fairy tales Pu! All that you see is built mainly during the USSR. In just 70 years! Cities throughout Russia, the entire North with oil industry and other production, ports, a bunch of factories, hydroelectric power stations, nuclear power plants, thermal power plants and other large industrial facilities! Plus, after the war, re-built the European part of the USSR. A bunch of good rebuilt the "fraternal republics." And specifically: just under the USSR, all the bombers were built! Not a single one was built in Russia (the reserve was from the USSR). On the contrary, they stopped building. Those. By 1991, all technological and technical capabilities passed to Russia. And what is the result? Bagel hole! Time was 30 years — almost half of the 70 years of the USSR. The results of this 30 are not only not impressive, but also depressing in their fall. We have degraded and with this approach we can hardly develop to an intelligible level. These sluggish attempts to do half a ship a year, the endless shift of the terms to the right, the eternal lack of money, theft and unsuccessful national projects are like pulling a strap.
                1. Dart2027 April 10 2020 06: 40 New
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                  Quote: Timon2155
                  Everything you see is built mainly during the USSR

                  Well yes. The Communists came into the open field and built ... And without the help of the Americans and Germans ...
                  Quote: Timon2155
                  Those. By 1991, all technological and technical capabilities passed to Russia.

                  Oh really? And the fact that many industries remained in the "fraternal republics" is unknown to you? And who, let me ask your beloved USSR, was falling apart, if not the Communists?
                  Quote: Timon2155
                  These sluggish attempts to do half a ship per year

                  How ships were "handed over" in the USSR is also a separate issue. "Roaring cows," heard of this?
                  1. Timon2155 April 10 2020 09: 29 New
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                    Open the wiki and see the years of commissioning of enterprises, cities and other good things: everything significant has been done in 70 years, it began with industrialization in the 30s. Help Americans? Why not!? Before the Cold War, they themselves worked with us for gold, for example. And now they work, just pay. Only now, having all the capabilities and access to technology, we are not doing anything. And the fraternal republics of norms worked with us for a long time after the collapse. The same Ukraine substitution began after 2014. Among the communists were their traitors. About the roaring cows, this was one of the first series to roar, new, did not know how to design. Then there were separate turbine generators and the need to work at high speeds disappeared. Now 30 years have barely finished Borea with the Mace. Facts.
                    1. Dart2027 April 10 2020 09: 36 New
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                      Quote: Timon2155
                      Open the wiki and see the years of commissioning of enterprises, cities and other good

                      Based on the backlog that was before.
                      Quote: Timon2155
                      Help Americans? Why not!? Before the Cold War, they themselves worked with us for gold, for example. And now they work, just pay. Only now having all the capabilities and access to technology, we are not doing anything.

                      Oh really? Ah, but you do not know that in our time a ban is in effect.
                      Quote: Timon2155
                      And the fraternal republics of norms worked with us for a long time after the collapse.
                      When did they sell the industry they built at the expense of Russians as scrap metal?
                      Quote: Timon2155
                      About the roaring cows, this was one of the first series to roar, new, did not know how to design. Then came separate turbo generators and

                      Japanese machines, because they did not know how to make their machines of the necessary accuracy.
                      Well, the fleet was completely brutalized by the quality of the products it was supplied to, and it was such a scandal that even the party lobby could not do anything.
                      Quote: Timon2155
                      Now 30 years old
                      sawed until done as it should, and not just to pass according to plan.
                      Quote: Timon2155
                      Among the communists were their traitors.
                      The whole party elite in full force. Achievement however.
                      1. Timon2155 April 10 2020 12: 46 New
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                        Affected? What was such a backlog before communism? Can I specifically list? I beg. Now do the machines? Are submarines also operational? What are we doing now ourselves? You will not argue that industry and agricultural production in the USSR produced 100500 times more (both by nomenclature and quantity) than now !? Tell me about significant achievements in 30 years! About freedom of speech, open borders and other crap I do not want to listen. Tell us the facts: what did you build, what do we produce, in which areas are we ahead of the rest, what exactly have we improved in terms of quality? 85 years and later do not take it, there our future democrats arranged a collapse in full swing.
                      2. Dart2027 April 10 2020 15: 15 New
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                        Quote: Timon2155
                        Touched? What was such a backlog before communism? Can I specifically list?
                        Russian empire.
                        Quote: Timon2155
                        Now do the machines?
                        Actually, we’re doing it.
                        Quote: Timon2155
                        You will not argue that industry and agricultural production in the USSR produced 100500 times more (both by nomenclature and quantity) than now !?
                        But for some reason, the people tried to acquire what was not done in it.
                        Quote: Timon2155
                        tell me about significant achievements in 30 years!

                        https://sdelanounas.ru/
                        Quote: Timon2155
                        85 years and later do not take it, there our future democrats arranged a collapse in full swing.

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        The whole party elite in full force. Achievement however.
                      3. Timon2155 April 10 2020 20: 48 New
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                        Can you give specifics? Abstractions such as “Russian Empire”, “Made with us” (a funny hooray site without a reference point for those who do not know what and how they produced in the USSR it seems miraculous. They did something stupid there. A lot of it or a little xs) etc. not necessary. They made laugh about the machines: they looked for a machine for the plant, searched, did not find the right one. There is more or less Lipetsk, actually a little alive. I'm waiting for specifics from you, something like "In 2019. built in 5 cities, 22 thermal power plants, 7 ports, 250 hospitals more than in the USSR during the same period. ” Or: “Consumption of meat by the population in 2014. increased relative to the USSR by 15%. ”
                      4. Dart2027 April 10 2020 21: 02 New
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                        Quote: Timon2155
                        funny cheers

                        Which leads the whiners of liberals and communists into a wild rage.
                        Quote: Timon2155
                        Waiting for specifics from you

                        https://sdelanounas.ru/ Читайте-читайте.
                      5. Timon2155 April 11 2020 17: 15 New
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                        Whiners and liberals-forested. It doesn’t infuriate me, this is another manipulation and nothing more. I’ve been engineer in the industry for several decades and I can imagine what’s what. You don’t have any specifics, there is nothing to cover, therefore send to the site. Once again about the problem of this site: it does not provide a reference point, there is nothing to compare. The simple layman does not have his own point of reference either, and he cannot understand the significance of what he saw on the site. Do you not understand this?
                      6. Dart2027 April 11 2020 17: 29 New
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                        Quote: Timon2155
                        Engineer in the industry for decades

                        Very touching ... Only I am an engineer myself.
                        Quote: Timon2155
                        You don’t have any specifics, there is nothing to cover, therefore send to the site.

                        On which just the specifics.
                        Quote: Timon2155
                        it does not give a reference point, there is nothing to compare

                        In 2019, Russia completed 22 space rocket launches.
                        This is exactly 22 launches more than the USSR in 1945.
                      7. Timon2155 April 11 2020 21: 03 New
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                        The lack of logic and the jump counted. As I understand it, you can compare y_y_kh and finger: similar)))))
                      8. Dart2027 April 11 2020 21: 22 New
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                        Quote: Timon2155
                        The lack of logic and the jump counted.

                        Well, you wanted a reference point? Here she is. AND:
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        https://sdelanounas.ru/ Читайте-читайте.
  • datura23 April 9 2020 05: 52 New
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    without Putin’s desire, at least Kazan’s, at least someone’s navel will untie, something to do is essential for the country
  • niki233 April 9 2020 09: 27 New
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    How much does the State Department pay you now?
  • Stalllker April 8 2020 07: 30 New
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    These are not anti-Putinists, at least they transferred their homelands or simply mishandled Cossacks. I would not be guided by the opinion of the latter
  • lelik613 April 8 2020 18: 14 New
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    Of course, I apologize, but I would like proof of your words. First, a ridge with ribs is cut and boiled, which is sheathed with sheets and begins with mechanisms. Was the fuselage made from scratch or was it limited to painting the 30-year-old extract pulled from the marriage site?
  • Michael67 April 7 2020 14: 45 New
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    Of course great. Not going into the technical specifications in detail, but seeing that the pintagon expresses extreme concern about the modernization and resumption of the construction of new Swans, we can conclude that we are doing everything right. In addition, not all "nyashki" for partners in modernized and new buildings have been announced yet. Let the turnips scratch.
    1. Runoway April 7 2020 15: 00 New
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      While the IMF holds bells, a stabilization fund, an investment in US securities, having children in Miami and studying in London, the number of planes will not cause any concern
      1. agMakc April 7 2020 15: 42 New
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        Fix Budenovka, you can see the forelock.
      2. niki233 April 9 2020 09: 29 New
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        the stabilization fund is withdrawn from under the central bank and therefore from under the IMF
    2. Runoway April 7 2020 15: 12 New
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      Not going into the TTX in detail, but seeing that the pintagon expresses extreme concern

      Of course without going into details rather shout "Hurray"
      Just the same yesterday they said on tv, without going into details, that "one TU-22 (!) One can sink an aircraft carrier" ©
      But I would like to know more, otherwise it’s such an upgrade, maybe just, finally, the fans changed the air conditioning.
      In the photo, the b-52 vs tu-95ms cabin, so purely about concern and modernization, where are we and where are they
      1. carstorm 11 April 7 2020 15: 28 New
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        SOI 221 is being installed there so the cabin is different. displays and other garbage. from the age of 15.
      2. Boa kaa April 7 2020 19: 25 New
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        Quote: Runoway
        "one TU-22 (!) one can sink an aircraft carrier"

        This is from the same opera as "in 1980 we will live under communism, and by 2000 each family will live in a separate 3-room comfortable apartment ... And everyone can get a GAZ-24 on a voucher ...
        (Swam, we know! (C).
        But it’s real, what the real g / m aviation wrote about the expenditure of the MRA for the destruction of the AUG: - To destroy the American AUS up to the turn of the deck aviation rise, 5 regiments of TU-16K were required ...
        Therefore, 1 TU-22M3 ... will not be enough!
        AHA.
        1. poquello April 8 2020 01: 49 New
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          Quote: BoA KAA
          But it’s real, what the real g / m aviation wrote about the consumption of MRA units for the destruction of the AUG: - For the destruction of the American AUS up to the turn of the deck aviation rise, 5 TU regiments were required

          wow! and Marshal Semyon Mikhailovich didn’t write anything? )))) In what year was that?
  • Thrifty April 7 2020 16: 41 New
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    I hope that all of them will be given the names of worthy people - the same Heroes of the Soviet Union, and Russia for sure! !!
  • Blondy April 9 2020 08: 28 New
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    Well. finally: it’s “begun”, and not “planned,” and that’s all about plans for the bulk and nano-shovels. Here today, in VO, I read about an armored game (this is a tiger armored car - I explain that pensive minuses should not be set) with protection from coronavirus and did not even laugh.
  • Teberii April 7 2020 14: 31 New
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    Good approach, so be it.
  • Doccor18 April 7 2020 14: 32 New
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    Well, they, handsome men, are being modernized, being built. Interestingly, will the modernization include the application of radio-absorbing materials? And now they see the TU-160 from far away?
    1. dvina71 April 7 2020 14: 36 New
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      Quote: Doccor18
      And now they see the TU-160 from far away?

      They carry CR with a range of up to 5 t.km .. If necessary, they will be seen at such a distance .. but to what sense?
    2. Starover_Z April 7 2020 14: 41 New
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      Quote: Doccor18
      Interestingly, will the modernization include the application of radio-absorbing materials? And now they see the TU-160 from far away?

      And this is MILITARY SECRET! In fact, in secret, they can be transformers! wink laughing
      aircraft of new assembly and deeply modernized combat bombers Tu-160 of the Air Force of the Russian Federation will not differ from each other

      So that no one understands what is flying.
      1. Runoway April 7 2020 15: 19 New
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        So that no one understands what is flying.

        Especially in parades wink
        "Where is the money, Zin?" ©
        1. Mestny April 7 2020 17: 03 New
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          I watch skakuasov undermines nepodezzki.
          So, we are doing everything right.
    3. Fedorov April 7 2020 14: 44 New
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      Yes, he had to fly to the target a thousand miles no closer and the wings opened, and .. the drum earned. The radar does not work at such distances, only escort by fighters of the warring country, which can be wiped out.
    4. Voyager April 7 2020 15: 22 New
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      They will see from afar even with RPM, will they just do it with its combat radius and speed? Let them catch up first
    5. URAL72 April 7 2020 20: 15 New
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      About 100 institutes were involved in the Union to develop radio-absorbing materials and radiation-absorbing paints. Tu-160 is the first aircraft using stealth technology.
  • svp67 April 7 2020 14: 34 New
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    Earlier it was reported that the aircraft of the new assembly and the deeply modernized combatant bombers Tu-160 of the Air Forces of the Russian Federation will not differ from each other, however they received different markings: Tu-160M ​​for the modernized combatant bombers and Tu-160M2 for those built from scratch.
    Honestly a little weird. In so many years that have passed since the release of the last of the "swans", new technologies and solutions have appeared, will they really be restored as "old fashioned"?
    1. 1976AG April 7 2020 15: 08 New
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      What is old fashioned? Everything except the fuselage is new.
    2. Sergey Valov April 7 2020 15: 14 New
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      What new technologies have appeared in aircraft manufacturing? If you do not restore the production of a previously produced aircraft, but introduce something new, it will be another aircraft with all the consequences. It is quite enough to replace with new electronics and, if possible, engines.
      1. Vladimir61 April 7 2020 16: 48 New
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        Quote: Sergey Valov
        What new technologies have appeared in aircraft manufacturing?

        Yes, probably Indian vimanas! They are without wings, several floors and on anti-gravity engines.
        1. Mestny April 7 2020 17: 04 New
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          No, vimanas are only in the most powerful army in Europe.
          Where to us.
          And so, without jokes, it is - new electronics, engines.
    3. Elturisto April 8 2020 10: 00 New
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      you’re kind of weird, it’s going to be restored on paper, it’s easier, the technical documentation is all preserved. Now a bunch of R&D works on Soviet groundwork will be good and it will be good ... but not for everyone :) won’t wash tens of billions on engines for PAK YES and nothing. ...
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  • Fedorov April 7 2020 14: 38 New
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    the updated Tu-160 will receive new missile weapons.

    I wonder what, maybe hypersound?
    1. askort154 April 7 2020 15: 30 New
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      Fedorov .....I wonder what, maybe hypersound?

      Quite possibly. A new generation of weapons, hypersound - is becoming a new type of strategic weapon of the 21st century. All leading countries have thrown their resources into the development and implementation of this species. Hypersonic rockets in the atmosphere, it is better to launch from supersonic aircraft, performing the role of "first stage". Apparently, based on precisely these conditions, we decided not to focus on PAK DA (crane in the sky), but to increase the Tu-160 fleet,
      armed with his hypersonic missiles. hi
    2. Sky strike fighter April 7 2020 16: 30 New
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      Quote: Fedorov
      the updated Tu-160 will receive new missile weapons.

      I wonder what, maybe hypersound?

      I don’t know from hypersound, but there will be X-DB (development of X-101 / X-102) and X-SD (X-50).
    3. Grigory_45 April 7 2020 20: 23 New
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      Quote: Fedorov
      I wonder what

      so you look at what dimensions the missiles fit into the drums, and it becomes clear) they will introduce the X-101/102, there is nothing more serial yet, all in the form of prototypes, including the announced X-SD (X-50)
      Quote: Fedorov
      may hypersound

      But is it serial?
      1. Sky strike fighter April 7 2020 22: 37 New
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        X-50 rumored to have passed state tests.
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          Quote: Sky Strike fighter
          X-50 rumored to have passed state tests

          even if this is so, the rocket has not yet been adopted and not in series. We hope that they will be able to deploy production in the near future
  • really April 7 2020 14: 41 New
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    Strange, in the morning in the article, they buried, in the afternoon they revived something incomprehensible, would they really steal it again.
    1. Mestny April 7 2020 17: 05 New
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      It depends on where.
      In a real country, Russia will be built.
      Everything invented on the Internet was already stolen, people died out.
  • Amateur April 7 2020 14: 42 New
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    M2 - new or from the remnants of the Soviet backlog from the State Reserve?
    1. Sky strike fighter April 7 2020 16: 32 New
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      Quote from the article.
      Tu-160M ​​for the modernized drill and Tu-160M2 for built from scratch.
    2. Amateur April 7 2020 17: 57 New
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      Gentlemen minusers! I asked a specific question. Or according to the principle: "do not ask stupid questions, then you will not get stupid answers"
      1. URAL72 April 7 2020 20: 23 New
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        It’s just that you didn’t carefully read the article, and in this case it’s not worth writing anything ...
    3. Grigory_45 April 7 2020 20: 24 New
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      Quote: Amateur
      M2 - new

      M2 - new, just M - modernized existing machines.
  • orionvitt April 7 2020 14: 43 New
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    Some "especially smart technologists", here at the forum, using the example of the American space program, proved just now that if for a long time, something had not been produced, then it was almost impossible to restore production. For a reason, allegedly irretrievably lost technology. laughing Maybe in America it is. But on the example of Russia, please. More than thirty years have not been produced, but if desired, all the technologies can be restored and even improved. This is, if you take into account, the enormous losses in the 90s, which the states did not have.
    1. Fedorov April 7 2020 14: 56 New
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      What they kept under Yeltsin, hard workers who did not see salaries and their leaders-Respect and Respect! Saved the Country. Weathered!
      And now our period begins. And do not care for me all the Maidan, at any moment - got into the car and after 6 hours in Russia. But I need you here, and people depend on me a little.
    2. Sergey Valov April 7 2020 16: 47 New
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      If you do not change the design, then you can almost always restore production; there would be a desire. The biggest problem will be the availability of qualified personnel.
  • Ros 56 April 7 2020 14: 52 New
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    That’s the reason for the liberals to munch on the foam on their lips. Let them bark, and planes fly.
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      Quote: Ros 56
      That’s the reason for the liberals to munch on the foam on their lips. Let them bark, and planes fly.

      And they, on such articles, do not flock. They, like flies, are attracted to a specific sweetheart that blows from the article.
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        Alone here, on duty, rages.
        It is not clear whether it is a communist or a liberal.
        And yet - what's the difference. Both those and those fiercely hate "this country."
  • Victor March 47 April 7 2020 14: 59 New
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    Earlier it was reported that the aircraft of the new assembly and the deeply modernized combatant bombers Tu-160 of the Air Forces of the Russian Federation will not differ from each other, however they received different markings: Tu-160M ​​for the modernized combatant bombers and Tu-160M2 for those built from scratch.
    Honestly a little weird. In so many years that have passed since the release of the last of the "swans", new technologies and solutions have appeared, will they really be restored as "old fashioned"?

    Which ones have appeared? More specifically. Or common words for which there is nothing? The new is simply bound to be tested. Long. And, as always, with difficulties and alterations. If these innovations promise an increase in performance, you still need to weigh how necessary and profitable it is. The airplane is worked out, mechanics, hydraulics, iron .... This will affect fundamental changes, and here it is unlikely .... You can always improve electronics, on the go, at any time of the day, and on any airplane. Management system - the matter is more complicated and requires leisurely. Armament? here God himself commanded, and even more so if the suspension structures and strength characteristics are suitable and do not require major changes.
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      Truly so.
  • Captain Nemo April 7 2020 15: 38 New
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    Tu-160m are clearly visible from reconnaissance satellites in the hot pursuit of engines. In this regard, the Tu-95 can say invisible. Tu-95s can hang for a long time in a given area, waiting for a command to launch their 5000s. Whereas the Tu-160m can be located at a few airports and are very vulnerable. Greetings from 1941, when the generals left the Red Army without aviation .... The Tu-160m are good for colonial wars with a weak enemy, or for striking first in a big war. In my opinion, this money is better spent more wisely.
    1. Sergey Valov April 7 2020 16: 43 New
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      The number of basing airfields primarily depends on the infrastructure — warehouses with ammunition, aircraft and equipment maintenance equipment, and trained ground personnel. Therefore, the dispersal of strategists is a very difficult task.
      As for the issue of flight duration, it is solved with the help of tankers, and here we have a full ass.
      For colonial wars it is difficult to say which of the two is better, because both almost did not fight.
    2. Aviator_ April 7 2020 16: 52 New
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      Tu-160m are clearly visible from reconnaissance satellites in the hot pursuit of engines.

      The Tu-160 dviguns have complete combustion of fuel, even the afterburner has a blue flame. And the hot stream, if there are no particles there, almost does not shine in the IR range, epsilon is very small. So reconnaissance satellites can take it only by radar.
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        Satellites have very serious equipment. Let me remind you that the Hubble Space Telescope is a very cheapened version of a military intelligence. Epsilon Tu-160 is enough for detection from low orbits.
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          Your photo is F-18 on the afterburner, where it is full of soot, in visible light the color of the flame is red, I wrote about the afterburner with complete combustion of fuel. So past.
    3. Amateur April 7 2020 18: 03 New
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      Tu-160m are clearly visible from reconnaissance satellites in hot pursuit

      B-2, F-22, F-117 and even F-35 are finally not visible from anywhere.
      In addition to no one
      Captain Nemo (Prince Muhabarat)
      which nickname ships our Israeli "partner"
      1. Captain Nemo April 7 2020 23: 42 New
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        Amateur, I do not see the logic in your emotional flow of words. What does the B-2, F-22, F-117, and even F-35 have to do with it? I compare the visibility in the thermal range of the Tu-160 and Tu-95 for heavy U.S. reconnaissance satellites. Your menagerie of the above (B-2, F-22, F-117 and even F-35) in many cases is perfectly revealed by the good old P-14. I am a deep Rusak, I managed to work on the production of these carcasses. I live in Samara and the word "partner" for a normal Samara man smacks of homosexual.
    4. poquello April 8 2020 01: 59 New
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      Tu-160m perfectly visible from reconnaissance satellites

      and sho? ett strategic missile carrier - let them see, it’s even more useful
      1. Captain Nemo April 8 2020 04: 15 New
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        I'm embarrassed to ask such a star admiral, but still - Who is more useful? And which side are you on?
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          Quote: Captain Nemo
          I'm embarrassed to ask such a star admiral, but still - Who is more useful? And which side are you on?

          nothing is forbidden to ask stupid questions, I explain - it’s more useful to both, because the enemy sees what is flying and what will happen a little later if he doesn’t fall off, the enemy because it will be clearer to feel the edge of his greyhound
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      Given that PAK-DA will be subsonic, the Tu-95 as a platform for launching missiles could be more efficient, but it is unrealistic to restore them in production, so what is really restored is being restored. And then PAK YES,
  • Ratmir_Ryazan April 7 2020 15: 50 New
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    Power, under 300 million dollars apiece.

    Z Tu-160 = at a cost of 1 nuclear submarine.

    But we, in fact, buy these aircraft ourselves, that is, these funds do not leave our economy, but work for it.

    It’s good to live in a big, strong and independent country.
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      Where is she strong and independent?
      In 2021, all Voyevoda’s missiles will be 30 or more years old, and Sarmat is still not there, as I understand it, thanks to the coronavirus, the Western agent Putin will continue to delay the adoption of Sarmat, Poseidon, Petrel, S-500, etc.

      And what are the Tu-160 capable of?
      All special air bombs (SpAb) are located in the PRTB storage facilities. And at the airfields, there are stupid planes that are not ready for a sudden strike.
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan April 7 2020 16: 33 New
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        In 2021, all Voyevoda’s missiles will be 30 or more years old, and Sarmat is still not there, as I understand it, thanks to the coronavirus, the Western agent Putin will continue to delay the adoption of Sarmat, Poseidon, Petrel, S-500, etc.


        And how old is the American ICBM LGM-30 Minuteman? Since 1962, their USA has been exploiting and is in no hurry to change something, which already serves as a reason for jokes on talk shows -



        And if not for Putin, then Russia had Sarmat, Poseidon, Petrel, S-500 was not even in the project.
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          Minuteman-3 missiles are not operated in the 1960s, but since the 1970s, this is first.
          Secondly, over the past 20 years, they have been replaced by control systems and engines with fuel. And what did the Voivod missiles stupidly extend the life?
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            Minuteman-3 missiles are not operated in the 1960s, but since the 1970s, this is first.


            Since the 70s))) This immediately changes the matter, completely fresh)))

            And what did the Voivod missiles stupidly extend the life?


            As expected, they did so that these missiles fulfill the task for which they were created.

            Do not whine.
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          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          And how old is the American ICBM LGM-30 Minuteman?

          now in service are ICBMs LGM-30G Minuteman III, since 1970. It was produced until 1977 (i.e., the freshest rocket, 43 years old)
          But, firstly, solid rockets, which initially implies a longer life. Secondly, the missiles underwent regular modernization: warheads, guidance and control systems, and fuel were replaced. They are supposed to be exploited until 2030
          As for the domestic ICBMs, in 1988 the Voevoda missile R-36M2 entered the DB, their service life has been extended several times, and they stand on the DB only because they have no replacement (they are waiting for Sarmat)
  • Mebius April 7 2020 16: 20 New
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    Well, it’s not in vain that the money of the entire Union was invested in Tatarstan! Kamaz, Tu shki, etc. But the outskirts all dry up and distributed)))
    Good luck to you Tatars, work for the good of your nation and Russia !!! You have something to be proud of !!!
    1. Ratmir_Ryazan April 7 2020 16: 34 New
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      Well, it’s not in vain that the money of the entire Union was invested in Tatarstan! Outskirts all dry up and sold out)))


      With the union, money was invested everywhere, and a lot of things were heard, not only in Ukraine, but also in the regions of Russia.
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        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        With the union, money was invested everywhere, and a lot of things were heard, not only in Ukraine, but also in the regions of Russia.

        Well, the nationalities were a priority !!! And Tatatrstan also began to cobble, but they kept it, without a military showdown .. Too much invested in the center of Russia! With the outskirts and the Baltic states to hell with them negative .. Then we'll figure it out. Who and what is (there will be demand for Chechnya) ..
        Well, our carcasses went into a series and this is important !!! hi
  • NF68 April 7 2020 16: 27 New
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    Good news.
    1. Mebius April 7 2020 17: 18 New
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      Quote: NF68
      Good news.

      For your two words plus .. And me for everything, quietly lice pubic bite on the site))))
      1. Amateur April 7 2020 17: 53 New
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        And me for everything, quietly lice pubic bite on the site))))

        And you keep your hands on the clave all the time (in the sense of "On the keyboard) repeat
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      how to look.
  • Victor March 47 April 7 2020 18: 11 New
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    Quote: Captain Nemo
    Tu-160m are clearly visible from reconnaissance satellites in the hot pursuit of engines. In this regard, the Tu-95 can say invisible. Tu-95s can hang for a long time in a given area, waiting for a command to launch their 5000s. Whereas the Tu-160m can be located at a few airports and are very vulnerable. Greetings from 1941, when the generals left the Red Army without aviation .... The Tu-160m are good for colonial wars with a weak enemy, or for striking first in a big war. In my opinion, this money is better spent more wisely.

    Tu 160 broke away from the accompanying F-35. It’s not bad to talk about him.
    Lifting capacity is higher than any other. We have few strategists. Build a TU-95 to build power? Or TU-160M2? You need to think before .....
    1. Captain Nemo April 8 2020 00: 50 New
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      From the air-to-air missile Tu-160 will also come off? Or did the F-35 go ​​to ram? At the Samara plant, where the Tu-95 was assembled, most of the equipment disappeared at numerous metal receptions. It remains only modernization. Yes, and with the workers and engineers what they say came ... And to think, you need to collect true information about the state of affairs.
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        Quote: Captain Nemo
        From the air-to-air missile Tu-160 will also come off?

        and there were those rockets from which he did not come off?
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          how about something from the AIM-120 series? And indeed, in a combat situation, allowing yourself to be accompanied is a certain death.
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            F-35 will fly over our territory? Or 160 with a saber naked will fly over Omeryga?
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            Quote: Captain Nemo
            how about something from the AIM-120 series?

            nothing burn nafig when approaching
  • Victor March 47 April 7 2020 18: 13 New
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    Quote: Mobius
    Quote: NF68
    Good news.

    For your two words plus .. And me for everything, quietly lice pubic bite on the site))))

    You don’t have to go to brothels. They will not bite. It’s my fault.
  • Old Horseradish April 7 2020 18: 53 New
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    It seems that time has stopped. The Soviet Union collapsed almost 30 years ago. Of course, I understand that during this time everything collapsed so that the corn maize was designed and built on domestic details problem. Deffecitis, you know. And the focus is special.
    Bring back normal KB and normal engineers. And “cheers” must be shouted when all this is built.
  • rigoletto2001 April 7 2020 21: 08 New
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    On the old rake. Russian strategists need a hedgehog t-shirt. However, this is IMHO a non-citizen of the Russian Federation.
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      Quote: rigoletto2001
      On the old rake. Russian strategists need a hedgehog t-shirt. However, this is IMHO a non-citizen of the Russian Federation.

      and why didn’t you like him? IMHO they need a lot and flew so more often and more
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        The matter is in the resources of the Russian Federation — they cannot sit on all chairs, for them the priority was and will remain in the Strategic Missile Forces and partly SSBNs, to maintain for the sake of prestige two dozen strategists is an expensive pleasure, to bet on them is not at all overbearing.
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          Quote: rigoletto2001
          bet on them and not at all lifting.

          ) ahem, excuse me, Maxim Gennadievich
  • Maxwrx April 7 2020 22: 17 New
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    What kind of assembly? After all, this is not only for beauty, but also a necessity. For Comparison of photos of dry and f-35. On dry, they were able to organize a normal assembly, but here planes at 16 billion per piece. and such ...


  • SSR
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    Quote: Timon2155
    By your logic, does Putin personally build a plane?

    Wow. According to your people, it works and didn’t fall under # the best house ... Yes, how did you anneal it!
    Quote: Timon2155
    No need to put an equal sign between Putin and the successes of Kazan.

    Yeah, the Kazan forces, by washing and riding, forced the president and the government .... Buy a new Tu-160! How much was poured into Kazan since 2013-2014 ?! We are a region, a private office with a staff of 50 people carried out the modernization of buildings.
    Strength is not your comment; it’s akin to being tamed; you pulled yourself out of a swamp from a swamp.

    PS.
    At least 5 new boards should have already taken to the wing, but the Kazan “successes” wavered in their trousers somewhere.
  • Victor March 47 April 7 2020 23: 19 New
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    On the old rake. Russian strategists need a hedgehog t-shirt. However, this is IMHO a non-citizen of the Russian Federation.

    Strategists are needed. Who will drive the aircraft carriers across the oceans?
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      Quote: Victor March 47
      Who will drive the aircraft carriers across the oceans?

      this is clearly not the task of a strategic bomber
      The scarecrow for AUG and KUG is Tu-22M3
  • Victor March 47 April 7 2020 23: 49 New
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    "Shaimiev is a cunning Asian Khan."
    Yes, even a khan. But he only kept more than in the Urals. Instead of a dumb, but lucrative sale of defense enterprises, he kept them.
    The prospect worked. As expected not by the hands of the leader, but by the manager.

    You do not understand the difference. The political weight of Tatarstan as a Republic and Sverdlovsk region. How can you compare with the giant engineering? And half of Tatarstan is not worth it. But having seized Yeltsin’s independence, without paying state taxes, unlike the Urals, it was possible to survive. Is Moscow really producing oil, gas, diamonds, steel melts, But tax and other preferences pulled this adder into the ranks of the richest in Russia. Can you imagine that Suddenly Tatarstan, Bashkortostan, are on the same level with the regions of Russia? Having lost everything that Nizhny Novgorod, Tver, Kursk never had ... Then they would have looked at the cunning and wisdom of Comrade Shaimiev.
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      Right. While money was poured into Kazan, they drank the last blood from Samara. He lived in both cities. And this policy began in the late Soviet era.
  • Victor March 47 April 8 2020 01: 37 New
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    Quote: Captain Nemo
    From the air-to-air missile Tu-160 will also come off? Or did the F-35 go ​​to ram? At the Samara plant, where the Tu-95 was assembled, most of the equipment disappeared at numerous metal receptions. It remains only modernization. Yes, and with the workers and engineers what they say came ... And to think, you need to collect true information about the state of affairs.

    There is nothing to compare these two cars. They are totally different. And the tasks facing them are different. If 95 is more a pursuer and a scout, then 160 is a fighter. To build muscle not in slow-moving, though long hanging. On high-speed and aggressive. Are there really those who want to reanimate not 80 years, but 50? If there is a need for such measured in hundreds, then the money in total is one. And if in a few dozen, you can try to get more modern ones, although more expensive. Anyway, this is other money. Much more affordable.
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      Tu-95MSM is a mobile platform for launching the Kyrgyz Republic. It is vitally important for the duty forces to hang in the air for a long time at an endangered time - it’s too painful to fly off time. Who has time to take off? Those in the air are guaranteed to survive. The Tu-160 is designed to break through air defense at low altitudes with subsonic speed, or at high altitude supersonic, which is no longer relevant - there are long-range air-launched missile systems. There’s more sense coming from an older car - you no longer need to break through air defense, but it costs less and eats less fuel. Transfer money from the Tu160 program to the production of refueling aircraft and the modernization of the Tu-95's. By the way, to the launch lines, the Tu-160 goes at a cruising speed of 850 km / h, and the Tu-95 at 750 km / h - the difference is small.
      Or are we the first to take off and hit?
  • Victor March 47 April 8 2020 10: 35 New
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    Quote: Gregory_45
    Quote: Victor March 47
    Who will drive the aircraft carriers across the oceans?

    this is clearly not the task of a strategic bomber
    The scarecrow for AUG and KUG is Tu-22M3

    Perhaps you are right.
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    Keep it up! Still, the civil aviation industry would start to rise, and from domestic components.
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    How much is the king on the throne? 20 years? How many bombers were built over the years? And how many regiments are reduced? I think that in 20 years they could have riveted both bombers and ships, and much more. Instead of palaces and yachts. The country was full of money! They put everything in a small bottle, did not invest in production. Where did the money evaporate? Fart into the water? They skipped, strolled and stole! And there is no need to reproach and mix Ukraine. I want to see where my taxes go, what industries open, how my parents' pensions increase. But I don’t see anything of this! The government, there, supports the gambling business, we know about their patriotism. Well, a solid kidalovo, that with a pension, that now with incomprehensible self-isolation. And do not say that de, in the 90s, everything was destroyed before Pu. Now the same people from the 90s are sitting upstairs - they’re sitting well!

    By otpnuli from Poland, you lose koshti voserami ?!
    And why now such high-shoulders Ukrainian? lol