In Kazan, the assembly of the installation batch of new Tu-160M2 began

At the Kazan Aviation Plant. S. P. Gorbunov (a branch of PJSC Tupolev) began manufacturing an installation batch of strategic missile carriers Tu-160 of a new assembly. This was announced by Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu.

Speaking at a teleconference at the Russian Ministry of Defense on Tuesday, the head of the military department said that work was underway at the Kazan aircraft plant to restore the production of new strategic Tu-160 missile carriers and the production of the installation party had already begun.

Earlier it was reported that the aircraft of the new assembly and the deeply modernized combatant bombers Tu-160 of the Air Forces of the Russian Federation will not differ from each other, however they received different markings: Tu-160M ​​for the modernized combatant bombers and Tu-160M2 for those built from scratch.

Recall that the flight tests of the first prototype of a deeply modernized strategic missile carrier Tu-160M ​​passed February 2, 2020. The plane took off from the airfield of the Kazan Aviation Plant and spent 34 minutes in the air, flying at an altitude of 1500 meters.

In total, 160 Tu-15 combat aircraft rocket carriers of the Russian Federation Air Force should be upgraded to the Tu-160M ​​level in the future and ten new strategists Tu-2027M160 were built before 2 with the start of deliveries in 2023. The modernized missile carriers will go to the troops in 2021.

Earlier it was reported that the updated Tu-160 will receive new missile weapons.

Comments

[The leader of the Redskins]

This is definitely great news!

[URAL72]

Only today, young anti-Putinists with foam at the mouth proved that Russia could not restore the production of the Tu-160. True, PAK YES is still far away, because I think they will order at least the same amount. Come in handy!

[Nick]

Quote: URAL72

True, PAK YES is still far away, because I think they will order at least the same amount. Come in handy!

It is assumed that the rollout of the first prototype PAK DA will take place in two to three years, the first flight in 2025–2026. The adoption of the PAK DA complex is expected by 2029.
https://vvs.moscow/aircraft/pak-da-perspektivnyj-aviacionnyj-kompleks-dalnej-aviacii/

[mole]

About the "young anti-Putin" ...
Let it be known to you that in the late 90's Shaimiev M.Sh. sent a "negotiator" to Moscow to resolve the issue of maintaining production? Not putting into metal but about its conservation. This negotiator left with a suitcase. In the power structures to the proposal "Let's mothball!", Received the answer: "We are not at war with anyone and are not going to fight!" The negotiator had to open the suitcase.
That canned. Thus preserving production.

[Aviator_]

Shaimiev is a cunning Asian khan. And smart - he has preserved almost all of the Soviet legacy. Only the cadres grow old and leave - I recently spoke with the management of KOMZ (Kazan Optical and Mechanical Plant), so there young "managers" do not know at all what a "shadow device" is until they found one grandfather who developed them (IAB-458, IAB-463, etc.)

[Mebius]

Quote: Aviator_

Shaimiev is a cunning Asian khan. And smart - he has preserved almost all of the Soviet legacy. Only the cadres grow old and leave - I recently spoke with the management of KOMZ (Kazan Optical and Mechanical Plant), so there young "managers" do not know at all what a "shadow device" is until they found one grandfather who developed them (IAB-458, IAB-463, etc.)

Tricky agree, but Tatarstan is part of Russia and this is important!
And then in Kazakhstan, baby Tony Blair is in advisers and they are sitting on gas and oil that they developed back in the days of the USSR, and everything else is abandoned ..

[mole]

"Shaimiev is a cunning Asian khan."
Yes, even a khan. But he only kept more than in the Urals. Instead of a dumb, but lucrative sale of defense enterprises, he kept them.
The prospect worked. As expected not by the hands of the leader, but by the manager.

[Aviator_]

Yes, I named him khan for comparison with our boyars and governors. The governor, as it was in history, was put on the territory "for feeding".

[Butchcassidy]

The statesman.

[mole]

Here is Shaimiev M.Sh. exactly Hero of Labor must be appropriated.

[Mebius]

Quote: URAL72

Only today, young anti-Putinists with foam at the mouth proved that Russia could not restore the production of the Tu-160. True, PAK YES is still far away, because I think they will order at least the same amount. Come in handy!

Don’t pay attention Oleg! ..They do not pay evil grants to them now)))
That's what on the outskirts with Tu-mi of the USSR these demons were doing and are now screaming ..))

I also had tears ..

[rigoletto2001]

And in vain. Ukraine did not need these resource eaters at all, and at least they did not spend the budget on recycling.

[Suhow]

These aircraft were mainly with a large residual resource and the Russian Federation, as far as I remember, was ready to buy them, but for the sake of the striped they cut them.

[rigoletto2001]

It's not about the "striped land" but the price of the deal. At that time, Ukraine was ready to sell anything at a reasonable price and even at a discount, as soon as the price was agreed, the remaining carcasses flew to the Russian Federation.

[Timon2155]

By your logic, does Putin personally build a plane? No need to put an equal sign between Putin and the successes of Kazan. In the light of recent events, many believe that the faith in the Tsar has faded.

[URAL72]

What events? Virus? So Putin is not the Ministry of Health, or even the Ministry of Emergencies, he has even less relation to the virus than to defense. Commander-in-Chief no matter how.

[Deck]

What events? Virus? So Putin is not the Ministry of Health, or even the Ministry of Emergencies, he has even less relation to the virus than to defense. Commander-in-Chief no matter how.

Recent events have shown that he has nothing to do with it. His business is to tell old jokes

[SSR]

Quote: Timon2155

By your logic, does Putin personally build a plane?

Wow. According to your people, it works and didn’t fall under # the best house ... Yes, how did you anneal it!

Quote: Timon2155

No need to put an equal sign between Putin and the successes of Kazan.

Yeah, the Kazan forces, by washing and riding, forced the president and the government .... Buy a new Tu-160! How much was poured into Kazan since 2013-2014 ?! We are a region, a private office with a staff of 50 people carried out the modernization of buildings.
Strength is not your comment; it’s akin to being tamed; you pulled yourself out of a swamp from a swamp.

[tech3030]

Timon2155 (Timur) I subscribe to every word!

[Dart2027]

Quote: Timon2155

I think that in 20 years they could have riveted both bombers and ships, and much more.

Said the man who played computer games. In life, this requires a lot of time and effort.

[Timon2155]

Look around, a lover of fairy tales Pu! All that you see is built mainly during the USSR. In just 70 years! Cities throughout Russia, the entire North with oil industry and other production, ports, a bunch of factories, hydroelectric power stations, nuclear power plants, thermal power plants and other large industrial facilities! Plus, after the war, re-built the European part of the USSR. A bunch of good rebuilt the "fraternal republics." And specifically: just under the USSR, all the bombers were built! Not a single one was built in Russia (the reserve was from the USSR). On the contrary, they stopped building. Those. By 1991, all technological and technical capabilities passed to Russia. And what is the result? Bagel hole! Time was 30 years — almost half of the 70 years of the USSR. The results of this 30 are not only not impressive, but also depressing in their fall. We have degraded and with this approach we can hardly develop to an intelligible level. These sluggish attempts to do half a ship a year, the endless shift of the terms to the right, the eternal lack of money, theft and unsuccessful national projects are like pulling a strap.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Timon2155

Everything you see is built mainly during the USSR

Well yes. The Communists came into the open field and built ... And without the help of the Americans and Germans ...

Quote: Timon2155

Those. By 1991, all technological and technical capabilities passed to Russia.

Oh really? And the fact that many industries remained in the "fraternal republics" are unknown to you? And who, let me ask your beloved USSR, was falling apart if not the communists?

Quote: Timon2155

These sluggish attempts to do half a ship per year

How the ships were "handed over" to the USSR is also a separate question. "Roaring cows", have you heard of that?

[Timon2155]

Open the wiki and see the years of commissioning of enterprises, cities and other good things: everything significant has been done in 70 years, it began with industrialization in the 30s. Help Americans? Why not!? Before the Cold War, they themselves worked with us for gold, for example. And now they work, just pay. Only now, having all the capabilities and access to technology, we are not doing anything. And the fraternal republics of norms worked with us for a long time after the collapse. The same Ukraine substitution began after 2014. Among the communists were their traitors. About the roaring cows, this was one of the first series to roar, new, did not know how to design. Then there were separate turbine generators and the need to work at high speeds disappeared. Now 30 years have barely finished Borea with the Mace. Facts.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Timon2155

Open the wiki and see the years of commissioning of enterprises, cities and other good

Based on the backlog that was before.

Quote: Timon2155

Help Americans? Why not!? Before the Cold War, they themselves worked with us for gold, for example. And now they work, just pay. Only now having all the capabilities and access to technology, we are not doing anything.

Oh really? Ah, but you do not know that in our time a ban is in effect.

Quote: Timon2155

And the fraternal republics of norms worked with us for a long time after the collapse.

When did they sell the industry they built at the expense of Russians as scrap metal?

Quote: Timon2155

About the roaring cows, this was one of the first series to roar, new, did not know how to design. Then came separate turbo generators and

Japanese machines, because they did not know how to make their machines of the necessary accuracy.
Well, the fleet was completely brutalized by the quality of the products it was supplied to, and it was such a scandal that even the party lobby could not do anything.

Quote: Timon2155

Now 30 years old

sawed until done as it should, and not just to pass according to plan.

Quote: Timon2155

Among the communists were their traitors.

The whole party elite in full force. Achievement however.

[Timon2155]

Affected? What was such a backlog before communism? Can I specifically list? I beg. Now do the machines? Are submarines also operational? What are we doing now ourselves? You will not argue that industry and agricultural production in the USSR produced 100500 times more (both by nomenclature and quantity) than now !? Tell me about significant achievements in 30 years! About freedom of speech, open borders and other crap I do not want to listen. Tell us the facts: what did you build, what do we produce, in which areas are we ahead of the rest, what exactly have we improved in terms of quality? 85 years and later do not take it, there our future democrats arranged a collapse in full swing.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Timon2155

Touched? What was such a backlog before communism? Can I specifically list?

Russian empire.

Quote: Timon2155

Now do the machines?

Actually, we’re doing it.

Quote: Timon2155

You will not argue that industry and agricultural production in the USSR produced 100500 times more (both by nomenclature and quantity) than now !?

But for some reason, the people tried to acquire what was not done in it.

Quote: Timon2155

tell me about significant achievements in 30 years!

https://sdelanounas.ru/

Quote: Timon2155

85 years and later do not take it, there our future democrats arranged a collapse in full swing.

Quote: Dart2027

The whole party elite in full force. Achievement however.

[Timon2155]

Can you give specifics? Abstractions such as “Russian Empire”, “Made with us” (a funny hooray site without a reference point for those who do not know what and how they produced in the USSR it seems miraculous. They did something stupid there. A lot of it or a little xs) etc. not necessary. They made laugh about the machines: they looked for a machine for the plant, searched, did not find the right one. There is more or less Lipetsk, actually a little alive. I'm waiting for specifics from you, something like "In 2019. built in 5 cities, 22 thermal power plants, 7 ports, 250 hospitals more than in the USSR during the same period. ” Or: “Consumption of meat by the population in 2014. increased relative to the USSR by 15%. ”

[Dart2027]

Quote: Timon2155

funny cheers

Which leads the whiners of liberals and communists into a wild rage.

Quote: Timon2155

Waiting for specifics from you

https://sdelanounas.ru/ Читайте-читайте.

[Timon2155]

Whiners and liberals-forested. It doesn’t infuriate me, this is another manipulation and nothing more. I’ve been engineer in the industry for several decades and I can imagine what’s what. You don’t have any specifics, there is nothing to cover, therefore send to the site. Once again about the problem of this site: it does not provide a reference point, there is nothing to compare. The simple layman does not have his own point of reference either, and he cannot understand the significance of what he saw on the site. Do you not understand this?

[Dart2027]

Quote: Timon2155

Engineer in the industry for decades

Very touching ... Only I am an engineer myself.

Quote: Timon2155

You don’t have any specifics, there is nothing to cover, therefore send to the site.

On which just the specifics.

Quote: Timon2155

it does not give a reference point, there is nothing to compare

In 2019, Russia completed 22 space rocket launches.
This is exactly 22 launches more than the USSR in 1945.

[Timon2155]

The lack of logic and the jump counted. As I understand it, you can compare y_y_kh and finger: similar)))))

[Dart2027]

Quote: Timon2155

The lack of logic and the jump counted.

Well, you wanted a reference point? Here she is. AND:

Quote: Dart2027

https://sdelanounas.ru/ Читайте-читайте.

[datura23]

without Putin’s desire, at least Kazan’s, at least someone’s navel will untie, something to do is essential for the country

[niki233]

How much does the State Department pay you now?

[Stalllker]

These are not anti-Putinists, at least they transferred their homelands or simply mishandled Cossacks. I would not be guided by the opinion of the latter

[lelik613]

Of course I'm sorry, but I would like to prove your words. First, a "ridge with ribs" is cut and cooked, which is sheathed with sheets and stuffed with mechanisms. Was the fuselage made from scratch or was it limited to painting a 30-year-old reject pulled from the site?

[Michael67]

Great, of course. Without going into details of the performance characteristics, but seeing that the pintagon expresses extreme concern with the modernization and resumption of the construction of new Swans, we can conclude that we are doing everything right. In addition, not all "niceties" for partners in the modernized and new buildings have been voiced yet. Let them scratch the turnip.

[Runoway]

While the IMF holds bells, a stabilization fund, an investment in US securities, having children in Miami and studying in London, the number of planes will not cause any concern

[agMakc]

Fix Budenovka, you can see the forelock.

[niki233]

the stabilization fund is withdrawn from under the central bank and therefore from under the IMF

[Runoway]

Not going into the TTX in detail, but seeing that the pintagon expresses extreme concern

Of course, without going into details, rather shout "Hurray"
Just like yesterday on TV they said, without going into details, that "one TU-22 (!) Can sink one aircraft carrier" ©
But I would like to know more, otherwise it’s such an upgrade, maybe just, finally, the fans changed the air conditioning.
In the photo, the b-52 vs tu-95ms cabin, so purely about concern and modernization, where are we and where are they

[carstorm 11]

SOI 221 is being installed there so the cabin is different. displays and other garbage. from the age of 15.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Runoway

"one TU-22 (!) can sink an aircraft carrier"

This is from the same opera as "in 1980 we will live under communism, and by 2000 each family will live in a separate 3-room comfortable apartment ... And everyone will be able to get a GAZ-24 for a voucher ...
(Swam, we know! (C).
But it’s real, what the real g / m aviation wrote about the expenditure of the MRA for the destruction of the AUG: - To destroy the American AUS up to the turn of the deck aviation rise, 5 regiments of TU-16K were required ...
Therefore, 1 TU-22M3 ... will not be enough!
AHA.

[poquello]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

But it’s real, what the real g / m aviation wrote about the consumption of MRA units for the destruction of the AUG: - For the destruction of the American AUS up to the turn of the deck aviation rise, 5 TU regiments were required

wow! and Marshal Semyon Mikhailovich didn’t write anything? )))) In what year was that?

[Thrifty]

I hope that all of them will be given the names of worthy people - the same Heroes of the Soviet Union, and Russia for sure! !!

[Blondy]

Well. finally: "it has begun", not "planned", otherwise everything about plans is a huge and nanalopaths. Today, here, in VO, I read about an armored game (this is an armored car "tiger" - I explain so that brooding minuses are not set) with protection against coronavirus and did not even laugh.

[Teberii]

Good approach, so be it.

[Doccor18]

Well, they, handsome men, are being modernized, being built. Interestingly, will the modernization include the application of radio-absorbing materials? And now they see the TU-160 from far away?

[dvina71]

Quote: Doccor18

And now they see the TU-160 from far away?

They carry CR with a range of up to 5 t.km .. If necessary, they will be seen at such a distance .. but to what sense?

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Doccor18

Interestingly, will the modernization include the application of radio-absorbing materials? And now they see the TU-160 from far away?

And this is MILITARY SECRET! In fact, in secret, they can be transformers!

aircraft of new assembly and deeply modernized combat bombers Tu-160 of the Air Force of the Russian Federation will not differ from each other

So that no one understands what is flying.

[Runoway]

So that no one understands what is flying.

Especially in parades
"Where is the money, Zin?" ©

[Mestny]

I watch skakuasov undermines nepodezzki.
So, we are doing everything right.

[Fedorov]

Yes, he had to fly to the target a thousand miles no closer and the wings opened, and .. the drum earned. The radar does not work at such distances, only escort by fighters of the warring country, which can be wiped out.

[Voyager]

They will see from afar even with RPM, will they just do it with its combat radius and speed? Let them catch up first

[URAL72]

About 100 institutes were involved in the Union to develop radio-absorbing materials and radiation-absorbing paints. Tu-160 is the first aircraft using stealth technology.

[svp67]

Earlier it was reported that the aircraft of the new assembly and the deeply modernized combatant bombers Tu-160 of the Air Forces of the Russian Federation will not differ from each other, however they received different markings: Tu-160M ​​for the modernized combatant bombers and Tu-160M2 for those built from scratch.

To be honest, it's a little weird. For so many years that have passed since the release of the last of the "swans", new technologies and solutions have appeared, will it really be restored as "old fashioned"?

[1976AG]

What is old fashioned? Everything except the fuselage is new.

[Sergey Valov]

What new technologies have appeared in aircraft manufacturing? If you do not restore the production of a previously produced aircraft, but introduce something new, it will be another aircraft with all the consequences. It is quite enough to replace with new electronics and, if possible, engines.

[Vladimir61]

Quote: Sergey Valov

What new technologies have appeared in aircraft manufacturing?

Yes, probably Indian vimanas! They are without wings, several floors and on anti-gravity engines.

[Mestny]

No, vimanas are only in the most powerful army in Europe.
Where to us.
And so, without jokes, it is - new electronics, engines.

[Elturisto]

you’re kind of weird, it’s going to be restored on paper, it’s easier, the technical documentation is all preserved. Now a bunch of R&D works on Soviet groundwork will be good and it will be good ... but not for everyone :) won’t wash tens of billions on engines for PAK YES and nothing. ...

[Fedorov]

the updated Tu-160 will receive new missile weapons.

I wonder what, maybe hypersound?

[askort154]

Fedorov .....I wonder what, maybe hypersound?

Quite possibly. A new generation of weapons, hypersound - is becoming a new type of strategic weapon of the 21st century. All leading countries have devoted their resources to the development and implementation of this type. Hypersonic rockets in the atmosphere are best launched from supersonic aircraft acting as the "first stage". Apparently, based on these conditions, they decided not to focus on PAK DA (pie in the sky), but to increase the Tu-160 fleet,
armed with his hypersonic missiles.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Fedorov

the updated Tu-160 will receive new missile weapons.

I wonder what, maybe hypersound?

I don’t know from hypersound, but there will be X-DB (development of X-101 / X-102) and X-SD (X-50).

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Fedorov

I wonder what

so you look at what dimensions the missiles fit into the drums, and it becomes clear) they will introduce the X-101/102, there is nothing more serial yet, all in the form of prototypes, including the announced X-SD (X-50)

Quote: Fedorov

may hypersound

But is it serial?

[Sky strike fighter]

X-50 rumored to have passed state tests.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

X-50 rumored to have passed state tests

even if this is so, the rocket has not yet been adopted and not in series. We hope that they will be able to deploy production in the near future

[really]

Strange, in the morning in the article, they buried, in the afternoon they revived something incomprehensible, would they really steal it again.

[Mestny]

It depends on where.
In a real country, Russia will be built.
Everything invented on the Internet was already stolen, people died out.

[Amateur]

M2 - new or from the remnants of the Soviet backlog from the State Reserve?

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote from the article.

Tu-160M ​​for the modernized drill and Tu-160M2 for built from scratch.

[Amateur]

Lord minusers! I asked a specific question. Or on the principle: "do not ask stupid questions, then you will not get stupid answers"

[URAL72]

It’s just that you didn’t carefully read the article, and in this case it’s not worth writing anything ...

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Amateur

M2 - new

M2 - new, just M - modernized existing machines.

[orionvitt]

Some "especially smart technologists", to me here on the forum, using the example of the American space program, just now proved that if something has not been produced for a long time, then it is almost impossible to restore production. For the reason, supposedly irretrievably lost technology. Maybe in America it is. But on the example of Russia, please. More than thirty years have not been produced, but if desired, all the technologies can be restored and even improved. This is, if you take into account, the enormous losses in the 90s, which the states did not have.

[Fedorov]

What they kept under Yeltsin, hard workers who did not see salaries and their leaders-Respect and Respect! Saved the Country. Weathered!
And now our period begins. And do not care for me all the Maidan, at any moment - got into the car and after 6 hours in Russia. But I need you here, and people depend on me a little.

[Sergey Valov]

If you do not change the design, then you can almost always restore production; there would be a desire. The biggest problem will be the availability of qualified personnel.

[Ros 56]

That’s the reason for the liberals to munch on the foam on their lips. Let them bark, and planes fly.

[Vladimir61]

Quote: Ros 56

That’s the reason for the liberals to munch on the foam on their lips. Let them bark, and planes fly.

And they, on such articles, do not flock. They, like flies, are attracted to a specific sweetheart that blows from the article.

[Mestny]

Alone here, on duty, rages.
It is not clear whether it is a communist or a liberal.
But what's the difference. Both those and those fiercely hate "this country".

[Victor March 47]

Quote: svp67

Earlier it was reported that the aircraft of the new assembly and the deeply modernized combatant bombers Tu-160 of the Air Forces of the Russian Federation will not differ from each other, however they received different markings: Tu-160M ​​for the modernized combatant bombers and Tu-160M2 for those built from scratch.

To be honest, it's a little weird. For so many years that have passed since the release of the last of the "swans", new technologies and solutions have appeared, will it really be restored as "old fashioned"?

Which ones have appeared? More specifically. Or common words for which there is nothing? The new is simply bound to be tested. Long. And, as always, with difficulties and alterations. If these innovations promise an increase in performance, you still need to weigh how necessary and profitable it is. The airplane is worked out, mechanics, hydraulics, iron .... This will affect fundamental changes, and here it is unlikely .... You can always improve electronics, on the go, at any time of the day, and on any airplane. Management system - the matter is more complicated and requires leisurely. Armament? here God himself commanded, and even more so if the suspension structures and strength characteristics are suitable and do not require major changes.

[Sergey Valov]

Truly so.

[Captain Nemo]

Tu-160m are clearly visible from reconnaissance satellites in the hot pursuit of engines. In this regard, the Tu-95 can say invisible. Tu-95s can hang for a long time in a given area, waiting for a command to launch their 5000s. Whereas the Tu-160m can be located at a few airports and are very vulnerable. Greetings from 1941, when the generals left the Red Army without aviation .... The Tu-160m are good for colonial wars with a weak enemy, or for striking first in a big war. In my opinion, this money is better spent more wisely.

[Sergey Valov]

The number of basing airfields primarily depends on the infrastructure — warehouses with ammunition, aircraft and equipment maintenance equipment, and trained ground personnel. Therefore, the dispersal of strategists is a very difficult task.
As for the issue of flight duration, it is solved with the help of tankers, and here we have a full ass.
For colonial wars it is difficult to say which of the two is better, because both almost did not fight.

[Aviator_]

Tu-160m are clearly visible from reconnaissance satellites in the hot pursuit of engines.

The Tu-160 dviguns have complete combustion of fuel, even the afterburner has a blue flame. And the hot stream, if there are no particles there, almost does not shine in the IR range, epsilon is very small. So reconnaissance satellites can take it only by radar.

[Captain Nemo]

Satellites have very serious equipment. Let me remind you that the Hubble Space Telescope is a very cheapened version of a military intelligence. Epsilon Tu-160 is enough for detection from low orbits.

[Aviator_]

Your photo is F-18 on the afterburner, where it is full of soot, in visible light the color of the flame is red, I wrote about the afterburner with complete combustion of fuel. So past.

[Amateur]

Tu-160m are clearly visible from reconnaissance satellites in hot pursuit

B-2, F-22, F-117 and even F-35 are finally not visible from anywhere.
In addition to no one

Captain Nemo (Prince Muhabarat)

, which the court by the nickname is our Israeli "partner"

[Captain Nemo]

Dabbler, I see no logic in your emotional flow of words. What does the B-2, F-22, F-117 and even the F-35 have to do with it? I am comparing the visibility in the thermal range of the Tu-160 and Tu-95 for the US heavy reconnaissance satellites. Your menagerie mentioned above (B-2, F-22, F-117 and even F-35) is in many cases perfectly detected by the good old P-14. I am a deep hare, I managed to work in the production of these carcasses. I live in Samara and the word "partner" for a normal Samara man smacks of gomosyatina.

[poquello]

Quote: Captain Nemo

Tu-160m perfectly visible from reconnaissance satellites

and sho? ett strategic missile carrier - let them see, it’s even more useful

[Captain Nemo]

I'm embarrassed to ask such a star admiral, but still - Who is more useful? And which side are you on?

[poquello]

Quote: Captain Nemo

I'm embarrassed to ask such a star admiral, but still - Who is more useful? And which side are you on?

nothing is forbidden to ask stupid questions, I explain - it’s more useful to both, because the enemy sees what is flying and what will happen a little later if he doesn’t fall off, the enemy because it will be clearer to feel the edge of his greyhound

[Pavel57]

Given that PAK-DA will be subsonic, the Tu-95 as a platform for launching missiles could be more efficient, but it is unrealistic to restore them in production, so what is really restored is being restored. And then PAK YES,

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Power, under 300 million dollars apiece.

Z Tu-160 = at a cost of 1 nuclear submarine.

But we, in fact, buy these aircraft ourselves, that is, these funds do not leave our economy, but work for it.

It’s good to live in a big, strong and independent country.

[Peter Tverdokhlebov]

Where is she strong and independent?
In 2021, all Voyevoda’s missiles will be 30 or more years old, and Sarmat is still not there, as I understand it, thanks to the coronavirus, the Western agent Putin will continue to delay the adoption of Sarmat, Poseidon, Petrel, S-500, etc.

And what are the Tu-160 capable of?
All special air bombs (SpAb) are located in the PRTB storage facilities. And at the airfields, there are stupid planes that are not ready for a sudden strike.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

In 2021, all Voyevoda’s missiles will be 30 or more years old, and Sarmat is still not there, as I understand it, thanks to the coronavirus, the Western agent Putin will continue to delay the adoption of Sarmat, Poseidon, Petrel, S-500, etc.

And how old is the American ICBM LGM-30 Minuteman? Since 1962, their USA has been exploiting and is in no hurry to change something, which already serves as a reason for jokes on talk shows -



And if not for Putin, then Russia had Sarmat, Poseidon, Petrel, S-500 was not even in the project.

[Peter Tverdokhlebov]

Minuteman-3 missiles are not operated in the 1960s, but since the 1970s, this is first.
Secondly, over the past 20 years, they have been replaced by control systems and engines with fuel. And what did the Voivod missiles stupidly extend the life?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Minuteman-3 missiles are not operated in the 1960s, but since the 1970s, this is first.

Since the 70s))) This immediately changes the matter, completely fresh)))

And what did the Voivod missiles stupidly extend the life?

As expected, they did so that these missiles fulfill the task for which they were created.

Do not whine.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

And how old is the American ICBM LGM-30 Minuteman?

now in service are ICBMs LGM-30G Minuteman III, since 1970. It was produced until 1977 (i.e., the freshest rocket, 43 years old)
But, firstly, solid rockets, which initially implies a longer life. Secondly, the missiles underwent regular modernization: warheads, guidance and control systems, and fuel were replaced. They are supposed to be exploited until 2030
As for the domestic ICBMs, in 1988 the R-36M2 Voyevoda missiles entered the DB, their service life has already been extended several times, and they are on the DB only because there is no replacement for them (they are waiting for the Sarmat)

[Mebius]

Well, it’s not in vain that the money of the entire Union was invested in Tatarstan! Kamaz, Tu shki, etc. But the outskirts all dry up and distributed)))
Good luck to you Tatars, work for the good of your nation and Russia !!! You have something to be proud of !!!

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Well, it’s not in vain that the money of the entire Union was invested in Tatarstan! Outskirts all dry up and sold out)))

With the union, money was invested everywhere, and a lot of things were heard, not only in Ukraine, but also in the regions of Russia.

[Mebius]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

With the union, money was invested everywhere, and a lot of things were heard, not only in Ukraine, but also in the regions of Russia.

Well, the nationalities were a priority !!! And Tatatrstan also began to cobble, but they kept it, without a military showdown .. Too much invested in the center of Russia! With the outskirts and the Baltic states to hell with them .. Then we'll figure it out. Who and what is (there will be demand for Chechnya) ..
Well, our carcasses went into a series and this is important !!!

[NF68]

Good news.

[Mebius]

Quote: NF68

Good news.

For your two words plus .. And me for everything, quietly lice pubic bite on the site))))

[Amateur]

And me for everything, quietly lice pubic bite on the site))))

And you keep your hands on the keyboard all the time (in the sense of "On the keyboard)

[rigoletto2001]

how to look.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Captain Nemo

Tu-160m are clearly visible from reconnaissance satellites in the hot pursuit of engines. In this regard, the Tu-95 can say invisible. Tu-95s can hang for a long time in a given area, waiting for a command to launch their 5000s. Whereas the Tu-160m can be located at a few airports and are very vulnerable. Greetings from 1941, when the generals left the Red Army without aviation .... The Tu-160m are good for colonial wars with a weak enemy, or for striking first in a big war. In my opinion, this money is better spent more wisely.

Tu 160 broke away from the accompanying F-35. It’s not bad to talk about him.
Lifting capacity is higher than any other. We have few strategists. Build a TU-95 to build power? Or TU-160M2? You need to think before .....

[Captain Nemo]

Will Tu-160 also come off the air-to-air missile? Or was the F-35 going to ram? At the Samara plant, where the Tu-95 was assembled, most of the equipment disappeared at numerous metal receptions. Only modernization remains. Yes, and with the workers and engineers, what is said to be said ... And to think, you need to collect truthful information about the state of affairs.

[poquello]

Quote: Captain Nemo

Will Tu-160 also come off the air-to-air missile?

and there were those rockets from which he did not come off?

[Captain Nemo]

how about something from the AIM-120 series? And indeed, in a combat situation, allowing yourself to be accompanied is a certain death.

[Ugochaves]

F-35 will fly over our territory? Or 160 with a saber naked will fly over Omeryga?

[poquello]

Quote: Captain Nemo

how about something from the AIM-120 series?

nothing burn nafig when approaching

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Mobius

Quote: NF68

Good news.

For your two words plus .. And me for everything, quietly lice pubic bite on the site))))

You don’t have to go to brothels. They will not bite. It’s my fault.

[Old Horseradish]

It seems that time has stopped. The Soviet Union collapsed almost 30 years ago. Of course, I understand that during this time everything collapsed so that the corn maize was designed and built on domestic details problem. Deffecitis, you know. And the focus is special.
Return normal KB and normal engineers. And "hurray" should be shouted when all this is built.

[rigoletto2001]

On the old rake. Russian strategists need a hedgehog t-shirt. However, this is IMHO a non-citizen of the Russian Federation.

[poquello]

Quote: rigoletto2001

On the old rake. Russian strategists need a hedgehog t-shirt. However, this is IMHO a non-citizen of the Russian Federation.

and why didn’t you like him? IMHO they need a lot and flew so more often and more

[rigoletto2001]

The matter is in the resources of the Russian Federation — they cannot sit on all chairs, for them the priority was and will remain in the Strategic Missile Forces and partly SSBNs, to maintain for the sake of prestige two dozen strategists is an expensive pleasure, to bet on them is not at all overbearing.

[poquello]

Quote: rigoletto2001

bet on them and not at all lifting.

) ahem, excuse me, Maxim Gennadievich

[Maxwrx]

What kind of assembly? After all, this is not only for beauty, but also a necessity. For Comparison of photos of dry and f-35. On dry, they were able to organize a normal assembly, but here planes at 16 billion per piece. and such ...

[SSR]

Quote from S.S.R.

Quote: Timon2155

By your logic, does Putin personally build a plane?

Wow. According to your people, it works and didn’t fall under # the best house ... Yes, how did you anneal it!

Quote: Timon2155

No need to put an equal sign between Putin and the successes of Kazan.

Yeah, the Kazan forces, by washing and riding, forced the president and the government .... Buy a new Tu-160! How much was poured into Kazan since 2013-2014 ?! We are a region, a private office with a staff of 50 people carried out the modernization of buildings.
Strength is not your comment; it’s akin to being tamed; you pulled yourself out of a swamp from a swamp.

PS.
At least 5 new boards should have already gotten on the wing, but it seems that the "successes" of the Kazan people wavered somewhere in their pants.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: rigoletto2001

On the old rake. Russian strategists need a hedgehog t-shirt. However, this is IMHO a non-citizen of the Russian Federation.

Strategists are needed. Who will drive the aircraft carriers across the oceans?

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Victor March 47

Who will drive the aircraft carriers across the oceans?

this is clearly not the task of a strategic bomber
The scarecrow for AUG and KUG is Tu-22M3

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Mole

"Shaimiev is a cunning Asian khan."
Yes, even a khan. But he only kept more than in the Urals. Instead of a dumb, but lucrative sale of defense enterprises, he kept them.
The prospect worked. As expected not by the hands of the leader, but by the manager.

You do not understand the difference. The political weight of Tatarstan as a Republic and Sverdlovsk region. How can you compare with the giant engineering? And half of Tatarstan is not worth it. But having seized Yeltsin’s independence, without paying state taxes, unlike the Urals, it was possible to survive. Is Moscow really producing oil, gas, diamonds, steel melts, But tax and other preferences pulled this adder into the ranks of the richest in Russia. Can you imagine that Suddenly Tatarstan, Bashkortostan, are on the same level with the regions of Russia? Having lost everything that Nizhny Novgorod, Tver, Kursk never had ... Then they would have looked at the cunning and wisdom of Comrade Shaimiev.

[Captain Nemo]

Right. While money was poured into Kazan, they drank the last blood from Samara. He lived in both cities. And this policy began in the late Soviet era.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Captain Nemo

Will Tu-160 also come off the air-to-air missile? Or was the F-35 going to ram? At the Samara plant, where the Tu-95 was assembled, most of the equipment disappeared at numerous metal receptions. Only modernization remains. Yes, and with the workers and engineers, what is said to be said ... And to think, you need to collect truthful information about the state of affairs.

There is nothing to compare these two cars. They are totally different. And the tasks facing them are different. If 95 is more a pursuer and a scout, then 160 is a fighter. To build muscle not in slow-moving, though long hanging. On high-speed and aggressive. Are there really those who want to reanimate not 80 years, but 50? If there is a need for such measured in hundreds, then the money in total is one. And if in a few dozen, you can try to get more modern ones, although more expensive. Anyway, this is other money. Much more affordable.

[Captain Nemo]

Tu-95MSM is a mobile platform for launching the Kyrgyz Republic. It is vitally important for the duty forces to hang in the air for a long time at an endangered time - it’s too painful to fly off time. Who has time to take off? Those in the air are guaranteed to survive. The Tu-160 is designed to break through air defense at low altitudes with subsonic speed, or at high altitude supersonic, which is no longer relevant - there are long-range air-launched missile systems. There’s more sense coming from an older car - you no longer need to break through air defense, but it costs less and eats less fuel. Transfer money from the Tu160 program to the production of refueling aircraft and the modernization of the Tu-95's. By the way, to the launch lines, the Tu-160 goes at a cruising speed of 850 km / h, and the Tu-95 at 750 km / h - the difference is small.
Or are we the first to take off and hit?

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Gregory_45

Quote: Victor March 47

Who will drive the aircraft carriers across the oceans?

this is clearly not the task of a strategic bomber
The scarecrow for AUG and KUG is Tu-22M3

Perhaps you are right.

[Chaldon48]

Keep it up! Still, the civil aviation industry would start to rise, and from domestic components.

[Protos]

Quote: Timon2155

How much is the king on the throne? 20 years? How many bombers were built over the years? And how many regiments are reduced? I think that in 20 years they could have riveted both bombers and ships, and much more. Instead of palaces and yachts. The country was full of money! They put everything in a small bottle, did not invest in production. Where did the money evaporate? Fart into the water? They skipped, strolled and stole! And there is no need to reproach and mix Ukraine. I want to see where my taxes go, what industries open, how my parents' pensions increase. But I don’t see anything of this! The government, there, supports the gambling business, we know about their patriotism. Well, a solid kidalovo, that with a pension, that now with incomprehensible self-isolation. And do not say that de, in the 90s, everything was destroyed before Pu. Now the same people from the 90s are sitting upstairs - they’re sitting well!

By otpnuli from Poland, you lose koshti voserami ?!
And why now such high-shoulders Ukrainian?