Baku announced Russia's readiness to supply the country's air force combat aircraft

Russia is ready to supply Russian fighters to the Air Force of Azerbaijan. This was reported by the Azerbaijani Ministry of Defense following the negotiations of the parties.

According to the military department of Azerbaijan, the specialists of this country visited Russian enterprises where MiG-35 and Su-35 fighters are manufactured. As a result of the negotiations that took place during the visit to the aircraft factories, the Russian side announced its readiness to supply combat aircraft for the Azerbaijani Air Force.

Within the framework of military-technical cooperation between the Republic of Azerbaijan and the Russian Federation, a group of specialists of the Air Force of Azerbaijan visited the enterprises of the military-industrial complex of Russia (...) for the production of Su-35 and MiG-35 combat aircraft. The Russian side expressed its readiness to supply combat aircraft to our country in an amount that meets the needs of the Azerbaijani Air Force

- The Ministry of Defense of the republic said in a statement.

During a visit to aircraft factories, the Azerbaijani military familiarized themselves with the detailed tactical, technical and combat characteristics of the MiG-35 and Su-35 fighters. The country's military department declares its interest in the purchase of Russian-made combat aircraft.

Briefings on the tactical and technical characteristics, combat capabilities, armament of combat aircraft were presented to the Azerbaijani delegation (...) Azerbaijani military pilots at Russian military air bases performed practical flights on MiG-35 aircraft

- the message says. At the same time, specific negotiations on the supply of Russian fighters of the Republican Air Force have not yet been reported.

Comments

[Mavrikiy]

And what is in the hat of the astrakhan? The cap should be!

[Oquzyurd]

Astrakhan hats are an integral part of the national clothes of Azerbaijan. Also, the hat is more popular among the population of the Greater Caucasus, in Azerbaijan. Astrakhan hats are more popular on the plain and in the mountains of the Lesser Caucasus.

[Yujanin]

Mavrikiy

And what is in the hat of the astrakhan? The cap should be! feel

So the winter uniform of the senior officers of the Russian Air Force,
also consists of gray astrakhan hat.
What problems?

[Camille]

Because they are colonels.

[x.andvlad]

There is denyushka in Azerbaijan. Therefore, this willingness is understandable.

[URAL72]

There really is money there, and it is MiG who really needs it. We are the 35th, as it were, and there’s nothing to do with it, this is a step back, but for export it’s the most. While MiG rescued India and Egypt, then Hope mainly on Iran, Azerbaijan, Vietnam, the same Egypt, maybe Algeria and even quite remotely Libya. But to do this, you need to work at the state level, not the UAC.

[TermNachTer]

And what is Azerbaijan, with its size, a long-range car for? MiG - 35 is optimal for them.

[1976AG]

Of course, the MiG-35 is as if for nothing, we have nowhere to go with the modern Su-35s, as many as about 70 pieces, for our small country this is a huge figure! And then there are hundreds of Su-57s to rivet, where we also need to blink ...

[URAL72]

The MiG has an eternal problem with the engine, and this is an outdated platform. You can build a light stealth MFI around the new engine for the Su-57 (flupen, f-16, j-17, j-10, F-2). But with internal compartments. Unify as much as possible with the Su-57. Think over the ship version. That is yes. Why is the MiG-35 where everything is unique and not compatible with the Su-57, even AFAR and OLS modules?

[Sky strike fighter]

The MiG has an eternal problem with the engine, and this is an outdated platform.

Engine as an engine, what’s the problem? If you follow your logic, then in our country all the fighters of an obsolete platform, since the Su-57 have not yet been adopted, the Mig-35 platform is not older than the Su-35S platform.

You can build a light stealth MFI around the new engine for the Su-57 (flupen, f-16, j-17, j-10, F-2). But with internal compartments. Unify as much as possible with the Su-57. Think over the ship version. That is yes.

It’s possible, but if they will make a light 5th generation fighter with us, then with only two engines, as the military wants. Yes, and how many years will pass, and we need fighters now.

[URAL72]

The fact of the matter is that two engines are again the MiG-35 and 25 tons. And you need what I described, because the MiG-21 with one engine still flies not bad. Given the development of the Su-57, the development and testing will take much less time and money. The cost will also be lower, incl. operation.

[Yeraz]

Quote: URAL72

The fact of the matter is that two engines are again the MiG-35 and 25 tons.

as I understand it light, but still heavier than the F-16?
By the way there was infa about the purchase of 50 pieces by Egypt, but the sources of information are everywhere national bkb avia, but there are no official statements from the Russian Federation.
As I understand it, there is no serial issue either. And what is Azerbaijan buying then?

[Sky strike fighter]

as I understand it light, but still heavier than the F-16?

Due to the two engines a little heavier than the F-16.

By the way there was infa about the purchase of 50 pieces by Egypt, but the sources of information are everywhere national bkb avia, but there are no official statements from the Russian Federation.

Egypt preferred to buy cheaper Mig-29Ms, naturally not out of stock, but built under a contract with Egypt.

As I understand it, there is no serial issue either. And what is Azerbaijan buying then?

The first 6 production Mig-35s entered service with the Russian Aerospace Forces. And what do you think the Azerbaijani representatives looked at at the aircraft factory?

[1976AG]

You can build an easy stealth IFI, you can build a lot of things, only first you need to create it all, and in our country it takes tens of years. This will go in the future, but what about tomorrow? And tomorrow, all the same Su in the amount of 12-14 pieces per year with huge needs. Not to mention that the competition between the two design bureaus has always been to the advantage of the state. Sometimes a tit in the hands is much more important than a crane in the sky.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

We are the 35th, as it were, and there’s nothing to do with it, this is a step back, but for export it’s the most.

35 is a few steps forward, for a front-line fighter, at least - a new glider with composites reduces the RCS of the aircraft, a new radar with AFAR, a larger fuel supply, more advanced engines, the possibility of using high-precision bombs and air-to-surface missiles, air-to-air missiles. air".

Training fights of the Su-27 against the MiG-29 ended for dry rout. So, what about a step back is you at least in vain.

The MiG-35 will be significantly inferior to the Su-35 only in range, and in the use of long-range missiles such as R-37M and KS-172 and KAB-1500, and this is not always necessary for everyone, but who needs to buy the MiG-35 and Su-35.

For many, the MiG-35 will prove to be an ideal option both in terms of price and capabilities, and for Russia it will allow more efficient and economical use of resources to achieve its goals.

[ssergey1978]

The real battles between SU27 and MIG 29 ended in the defeat of the MIG.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The real battles between SU27 and MIG 29 ended in the defeat of the MIG.

Were there many fights between the Su-27 and MiG-29?

The real battle depends not only on the aircraft, but also on the training of pilots and battle tactics, but training battles take place in more equal conditions.

[ssergey1978]

Enough. War of Ethiopia and Eritrea. Moreover, MIG29 in all fights drained into a dry one, even when he himself set up ambushes on SU27.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Enough. War of Ethiopia and Eritrea. Moreover, MIG29 in all fights drained into a dry one, even when he himself set up ambushes on SU27.

No, not enough.

This is generally nothing, since the number of collisions was insignificant, although some conclusions can be drawn, but there is no reason to talk about the significant superiority of the Su-27.

Ethiopia is richer than Eritrea, and therefore can afford not only more expensive aircraft, but also better and better training, which they did. Russia not only delivered the Su-27 to Ethiopia, but also trained pilots, and Ukraine prepared the Eritrean pilots.

At the same time, the MiGs were the first to attack the Su-27, and at the same time to carry out an anti-ballistic maneuver and disrupt the capture of R-27 missiles launched from Sushki.

The Su-27 did not have any overwhelming advantage in that war, it was just that they were trained a little better and they fought a little better, and the first victory gave confidence to the Ethiopian pilots, and on the contrary, the Eritreans acted overwhelmingly, which also affected the result of the battles.

Another point is that in almost all battles both the MiG-29 and the Su-27 used the same R-27 missiles, and if the MiG-29 had longer-range air-to-air missiles than the Su-27, the result of the war would have been different ...

Many factors affect the victory and to conclude only 3-4 air battles is not correct.

[ssergey1978]

And she is such a war. Facts are facts SU27 promising. And the market proves this, and in this case, the fighting was clearly demonstrated.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

So what do you think proved the air battles between Eritrea and Ethiopia? What specific advantage was revealed in the Su-27 over the MiG-29?

In my opinion, this is just the case when technology did not solve, just as this war would have ended if Ethiopia had a MiG-29 as well as Eritrea.

But training fights with approximately equal pilot training and the same motivation revealed the advantage of the MiG-29, due to the smaller size and smaller ESR of the Su-27 with a more powerful radar than the MiG-29 detected it later.

MiG-29 was the winner at all distances of training battles.

At the same time, the MiG-29/35 is cheaper both at the cost and at the cost of operation, which means that for the same money the MiG-29/35 can be bought and operated more.

[ssergey1978]

It is fundamentally wrong, just those parameters were decisive, such as the fuel supply and power. If sclerosis does not change, the SU27 fought a maneuvering battle, then when the MIG was producing fuel and avoiding the battle, it caught up with him and it was in the hat.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

If sclerosis does not change, the SU27 fought a maneuvering battle, then when the MIG was producing fuel and avoiding the battle, it caught up with him and it was in the hat.

So it was only once, and then the Su-27 barely had enough fuel to return to its airfield, the remainder was 300 liters.

[ssergey1978]

MIG cost is not much less

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The cost of the MiG is less, as is the cost of operation.

[ssergey1978]

Mig35-40 million dollars.
Su30-50 million dollars

[bayard]

One and a half times.
Compared to the Su-35.
At the same time, the MiG-35 AFAR, and this is a better noise immunity.
In addition, not only the price of the product itself matters, but also the cost of operation. The same fuel consumption over an active life will bring very decent savings.
In the case of Azerbaijan, it makes more sense to order both aircraft in ratios of (classic) 2 to 1. Let's say the Su-35 squadron and two MiG-35 squadrons.

[Ros 56]

Well now the Armenians are sobbing into the voice.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Well now the Armenians are sobbing into the voice.

Why cry? On the contrary, one must rejoice.

Firstly, the Armenians have something to answer, these are both the Su-30 and S-300 and the BuKi and Iskander, which can strike at the airfield in Azerbaijan wherever it is.

Secondly, Armenia is a member of the CSTO, but Russia is not abandoning its own.

Thirdly, by purchasing weapons from Russia, Azerbaijan to some extent becomes dependent on Russia in terms of supply of both spare parts and ammunition. And in the event of a conflict, Russia clearly will not supply all of this to Azerbaijan.

Fourth, Armenians should understand that if Russia does not export weapons, then we will lose additional funds for the development of our defense industry and will lag behind the West, and this will affect the quality and quantity of weapons that Armenia buys from us. And I don’t think that in the West Armenia will buy everything that it takes from us, in the same amount and for the same money. And today, Russia is not in a situation to deprive itself of orders for fighter jets.

[Ros 56]

It is necessary to ask them.

[Azdefence]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

these are Su-30 and S-300 and BUKi and Iskander, which can strike at an airfield in Azerbaijan wherever it is.

They even cannot use Iskander, for 2 reasons. 1) the world community with a ban. 2) Laura and Polonaise will fly on their heads and much more.

Regarding the SU-30, did they learn to fly it so fast? Given the area of ​​Armenia, given the air defense of Azerbaijan, they will be destroyed in Armenia (if a full-scale war) and Buki is a tidbit for Azerbaijani kamikaze drones. Least.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Secondly, Armenia is a member of the CSTO, but Russia is not abandoning its own.

If the war starts, believe me, the green light will come from the Kremlin !!! And whether you give up or not, remember in April 2016. They cannot come to their senses.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

And in the event of a conflict, Russia clearly will not supply all of this to Azerbaijan.

No comments)))))))))))))) Do not consider Azerbaijanis as idiots.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

They even cannot use Iskander for 2 reasons. 1) the world community with a ban. 2) Laura and Polonaise will fly on their heads and much more.

The 1st reason is generally stupid, there is no ban on the use of OTRK;
The second reason is crucial for the Armenians, they are ready to fight for their land and have air defense to defend it, capable of intercepting missiles of both Laura and Polonaise.

Regarding the SU-30, did they learn to fly it so fast? Given the area of ​​Armenia, given the air defense of Azerbaijan, they will be destroyed in Armenia (if a full-scale war) and Buki is a tidbit for Azerbaijani kamikaze drones. Least.

The Su-30 is armed with medium and long-range missiles and, while in the airspace of Armenia, can shoot down everything in the airspace of Azerbaijan.

The work of BUKs in Syria removed all UAVs from Turkey from the sky, and I do not think that in the event of a war between Azerbaijan and Armenia it will be different.

If the war starts, believe me, the green light will come from the Kremlin !!! And whether you give up or not, remember in April 2016. They cannot come to their senses.

No fantasy, no one from the Kremlin will give you any green color for the war.

And whom did Russia abandon in 2016?

No comments)))))))))))))) Do not consider Azerbaijanis as idiots.

Nobody considers you to be idiots, but what your joy is justified is incomprehensible.

[Azdefence]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

crucial they are ready to fight for their land

Which land? Who is recognized?

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

being in the airspace of Armenia shoot down everything in the airspace of Azerbaijan.

I repeat once again, the Azerbaijani air defense controls not only its territory but can also bring down everything in the territory of Armenia. If the shooting goes from Armenia, then their talk about the fact that Karabakh is fighting with us will disappear and here the CSTO will not help them either. I'm already silent about the answer

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Beech work in Syria removed all UAVs from Turkey from the sky

All? Or maybe just 4? Azerbaijan UAV is more powerful at times than Turkey do you know?

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

No fantasy, no one from the Kremlin will give you any green color for the war.

In 2016, given.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

And whom did Russia abandon in 2016?

Then why did Russia remain silent in 2016 for exactly 4 days?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Which land? Who is recognized?

The Armenians and this is enough for them.

I repeat once again, the Azerbaijani air defense controls not only its territory but can also bring down everything in the territory of Armenia.

Firstly, Armenia has air defense, and secondly, air defense is suppressed, and you are well aware of this.

Then why did Russia remain silent in 2016 for exactly 4 days?

And what happened in 2016, that Russia should have immediately intervened?

[Azdefence]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

The Armenians and this is enough for them.

Well, if it’s enough for them that they are in a blockade and the whole world was silent about April 2016 and will remain silent in the future, this is their right.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Firstly, Armenia has air defense, and secondly, air defense is suppressed

in April 2016 with drones, I did not notice it. Apart from the helicopter that was shot down portable.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

And what happened in 2016, that Russia should have immediately intervened?

Great question and answer. That was just IMMEDIATELY not to intervene. Because it was painful then, Serzhik Azatovich openly dreamed of NATO and the Kremlin showed what happens to Armenia if he throws the Kremlin. Pashinyan made the same mistake and paid for it in the Nakhichevan zone with the loss of territories. And after April, as expected, Armenia lost the latter, the army and air defense, everything was handed over to Russia, and you know that very well.

[Azdefence]

Nothing personal, just business. They want planes, let them buy.

[Archon]

one can always find something to sob over - there would be a desire.

[Pashhenko Nikolay]

Sell ​​and do not hesitate. IVL and masks are sold to enemies, and here, as they say, God himself ordered.

[Titus]

I would like to blink ... we will consider the goods hypothetically stale, the main thing is to at least sell something ... money however.

[Sky strike fighter]

Who took such a daring nickname? A victim of the ideals of the pro-American color revolutions? Look, as if they didn’t destroy someone daring earlier. Azerbaijan doesn’t sneeze without a signal from Turkey, and you know this very well, so you don’t need la la. Although you are 100% not Azerbaijani, you your nickname betrays and betrays how unsuccessfully you are trying to deliberately emit errors when writing posts in Russian. And the topic of "quilted jackets" is not relevant in Azerbaijan. You want to impersonate an Azeri, but you are not an Azeri. Whose Crimea?

[Sky strike fighter]

The masks have been torn off. Finita la comedy. I am generally against the name-calling of the word "quilted jacket", invented by not very smart people, I would even say by the outspoken enemies of our people. With this word they belittle and ridicule our way of life, us, our country, its traditions, its historical choice. They are trying to belittle all this with this invented word.
If you are one of the Maidan sect with its dead end branch of evolutionary development, with its stupid ideals of slavery in the West, then I can only quote you

I don’t consider you as a person

.

I hate Russian power and quilted jackets who support it

Hate your power in your country, but do not poke your nose to us. We will have such power as we like and adhere to the way of life that we like best. And when you leave and live with the problems of your country and your power. As they say they don't go to someone else's monastery with their own charter. So don't give a damn what you think of us. Think about yourself. "Vatnikov" as you dare to put it, the vast majority in the country.

you’re wrong; I can even write to you in the native Baku if you need it)

Did the professional native Bakuman replace the professional daughter of the officer? In Azerbaijani, I can write to you through an interpreter.

[1976AG]

Learn the history, Crimea has always been a part of Russia, regardless of whether you like it or not.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Che took such a daring nickname?

And what else could he take? Is that - "the destroyer of his own brain"
Long, of course, but to the point.
Although, there is nothing to destroy there.

[Cowbra]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Che took such a daring nickname?

Maxim, you are sitting at home, lively-cheerful. And don’t be fooled, what a shame I had for Europeans, lace shorts have been sold for a long time (by the way. That Madame has been trading in Moscow since about 2016, I don’t know what shorts)
In short, stop laughing! Let's tighten it together! "The puppy is dead ... DUkraina ... Where are the peremogi? Where is the EU? Where is NATO? Dupa is torn by trochs! Shcha, we will knock out the coronavirus with a mace, but the question is, where are they going to treat us with a drink?"
So gag

[Azdefence]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Azerbaijan does not sneeze without the go-ahead from Turkey

Who told you such nonsense?

[Cowbra]

Quote: Vatnikov exterminator

First, we are not someone whose puppet our relations with Israel are a living example

You noticed that correctly ... What is it? puppet? No. The slave, as it was:

[Zaurbek]

This is a good business ... and the country is a friendly country and pays money and teach pilots later

[Cowbra]

Quote: Zaurbek

and pilots to learn later

So that again in Karabakh?

[Camille]

Karabakh vavsheta is the territory of Azerbaijan.

[Kathernik]

Azerbaijan is finally the territory of the Russian Empire ......

[Azdefence]

Quote: Katernik

Azerbaijan is finally the territory of the Russian Empire ....

And Russia is the territory of Genghis Khan and Turan. You are not tired of carrying the blizzard with history. Azerbaijan had and has independence and has its own history. Yes, at some moments in history, we were part of the Russian Empire, but were also part of the Arab Caliphate, and now what to write? If you recall the story, then I’ll write this, it’s not enough to show anyone.

[Zaurbek]

The USSR dismissed everyone by itself .... no one escaped by itself.

[KARAKURT15]

What makes you so sad about Karabakh? It seems like Russia itself at the official level recognizes Karabakh as Azerbaijani. And the whole world community. It will be necessary, and again in Karabakh, and again, and again! Karabakh was not and never will be!

[Azdefence]

Quote: Cowbra

So that again in Karabakh?

Mandatory !!! With or without a matter of time

[Lamata]

Just like that, in a hat and will fly, a helmet, astrakhan.

[Pavel57]

Azerbaijan needs to arm itself in order to look worthy relative to Turkmenistan.

[Camille]

Azerbaijan has no problems with Turkmenistan.

[Lamata]

I wonder how right now the army in Turkmenistan, I served there. Art. Keleta.

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: Camille

Azerbaijan has no problems with Turkmenistan.

Just as it is. Question on the Caspian and its deposits.

[Azdefence]

Quote: ButchCassidy

Just as it is. Question on the Caspian and its deposits.

Come on .... the caravan is coming and you still won’t calm down.

[Butchcassidy]

Well, how will that intellectual write on the topic, be sure to write.

[Camille]

Because when God handed out the mind, he was running after weights.

[Butchcassidy]

Apparently, to the market?)

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Camille

Azerbaijan has no problems with Turkmenistan.

This hour is kind of like not. And tomorrow, if the US wants it, they will.

[Lamata]

The agreement of 5 countries is on the Caspian

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Vatnik the Exterminator

the dictator’s sacrifice came: D Azerbaijani ground forces can crush three Turkmenistan into dust, but this is not necessary because the country is friendly and I advise you to undergo treatment preferably in psychiatry

Who cares if the Ukrainian lad is stronger than Azerbaijan or Turkmenistan? Only in one neighboring country, the victim of a dictator’s clown, can boast and optimistically throw their hats on. For Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan, graters on the delimitation of natural resources in the Caspian are for your information.

[KARAKURT15]

Azerbaijan does not have turkeys with Turkmenistan. At one time there was a misunderstanding, the incident was settled.

[Azdefence]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan have graters for delimiting natural resources in the Caspian for your information.

How would you like the Armenian would not want this situation to be true, but you are mistaken.

[Sky strike fighter]

Do you think Armenians everywhere? Go to the sanatorium to treat your nerves.

[Pavel57]

Quote: Camille

Azerbaijan has no problems with Turkmenistan.

With modern weapons, it certainly will not.

[kotdavin4i]

Good day to all. Updating the air component of the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan is a necessary thing. We have the entire base sharpened for Soviet, Russian equipment. Buying something western is a headache. We have Mig-29 - Mig-35 is a logical continuation. Pilots know how to fly - no need to retrain. Su-35 is probably not so necessary. Well, if the maximum to counter the Armenian Su-30.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Vatnik the Exterminator

we don’t need a su 35 at all too big for our small country like the su 30 Armenians and a moment 35 you can stick western avionics and it is more sighted than a su 30 so that for us instant 35 is a more efficient plane because we are not going to fly far and nowhere

No one will sell either Su-35 or Mig-35 to Ukraine, you can calm down and fly on the Mig-29 MU2 in the singular.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Any military confrontation with Armenia for Azerbaijan will end in failure - the defeat of the army and the loss of territory.

Armenia is in the CSTO and Russia will not abandon it.

Russia does not hold Azerbaijan’s hand, you can join NATO whenever you want, but I doubt that NATO will help you at least something, but you’ll have to pay for NATO facilities on your territory and you will have to spend a lot of money on it. Well, understand that as soon as Azerbaijan joins NATO, all of its military facilities and infrastructure will become targets for Russian missiles in the literal sense of the word.

The Karabakh conflict can be resolved only through negotiations, otherwise you will incur losses and never resolve this issue.

And ideally for Azerbaijan, the MiG-35 as a main fighter is well suited, but the Su-35 also needs to have, at least a squadron. Su-35 is not only an advantage in range, but also in the use of long-range missiles (R-37M) and bombs of greater power (KAB-1500).

[Marconi41]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Armenia is in the CSTO and Russia will not abandon it.

Of course, Russia will not abandon Armenia, but not in the case of Karabakh. We did not climb into the past confrontation over Karabakh and did not advise others.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

We did not climb into the past confrontation over Karabakh and did not advise others.

And in the past, Russia helped Armenia, despite the fact that they were not in any CSTO. Russia will not fight instead of Armenians, unless of course the conflict goes too far, but Armenia will provide equipment, ammunition and everything else in case of conflict.

[Marconi41]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

but the equipment, ammunition and everything else will provide

It would seem paradoxical, but in the past, the confrontation between Russia provided equipment and ammunition to both sides according to previously concluded contracts. And while the war is on in the disputed territories, Armenia will not receive any additional assistance.

[Oquzyurd]

"The war is going on in the disputed territories" It would be time to master a simple thing, that this is not a disputed territory, but the territory of Azerbaijan occupied by Armenia. The UN countries, the Russian Federation, among other things, recognizes these lands for Azerbaijan. We had Karabakh in the form of a Khanate before the arrival of Tsarist power in 1828 year, after, so it was under the king until 1917, after, it was also under the USSR until 1992. Just the same, the Armenians carried out the occupation of 1992-94. What disputed territories, this is an obvious occupation, not otherwise.

[Marconi41]

Quote: Oquzyurd

It would be time to master the simple things that this is not a disputed territory, but the territory of Azerbaijan occupied by Armenia.

Yes, to me, as a Russian, deeply purple in this Karabakh! Fight there for him as much as your soul desires. Russia and its disputes have enough.

[Oquzyurd]

"Yes, for me, as a Russian, this Karabakh is deeply purple." This is understandable. But nevertheless, you are talking about this topic, and a minimum of knowledge would not hurt. Also, I directed the attention of readers to this feature, clarifying that this is an occupation, and not disputed territory. You can write anything and say. that you are purple, but we, not purple ..

[Marconi41]

Quote: Oquzyurd

a minimum of knowledge would not hurt. Still, I directed the attention of readers to this feature, clarifying that this is occupation,

Believe me, I have enough knowledge on this subject, and Russia does not hear enough about the occupation, but it follows the sequence. So do not be offended.

[Butchcassidy]

Well, yes, the famous "cry of Yaroslavna". The invaders occupied their house, villains))
On territorial virginity ... nobody seems to be encroaching on the integrity of the Republic of Azerbaijan. Az R. originates its modern statehood in the same place as the statehood of NKR or Turkmenistan. On the basis of the same union laws withdrew from the USSR.

Moreover, everyone knows perfectly well that if G. Aliyev had not managed to return to power in Baku, then Nakhichevan would have its own statehood. No wonder he, at the height of the war, made a separate peace with Armenia and flew to Moscow through the airspace of Armenia without any problems.

What are you talking about?

[Oquzyurd]

"What are you talking about?" Ask yourself this question

[Butchcassidy]

Well done. And most importantly - it turns out so reasonably))

[Azdefence]

Quote: ButchCassidy

then Nakhichevan would have its own statehood.

Did you forget about the Kars agreement along the way or do you want the Turkish flag to be hanging in the center of Yerevan? By the way, these are not my words, but the words of Turkish ministers and deputies. That’s why they were very careful in the Karabakh war, the main thing is that 1 bullet should not fly towards Nakhichevan.

[Butchcassidy]

If they can - let them put it. I'm talking about the Turkish flag in Yerevan.
What does the Kars Treaty have to do with it? Heydar Aliyev was guided by this agreement, concluding a separate peace with the Armenians? Or when did he receive an interstate loan from Suleiman Demirel without the participation of Baku?

Yes, when he gained power in Baku, he changed his attitude towards the Karabakh war. And before that, he wanted to spit on her, he was building his little kingdom in Nakhichevan. Ilham Aliyev also did not fight for Karabakh, although he was of military age. Evil languages ​​write that he spent all this time in Turkish casinos. I did not study it in more detail, but Aliyev did not need war either then or now.

[Azdefence]

Quote: ButchCassidy

but Aliyev doesn’t need a war either then or now.

Then in April 2016 what happened? )))))))) War is most needed for him. Why? Think........

[Butchcassidy]

Then in April 2016 what happened? )))))))) War is most needed for him. Why? Think........

I specifically argued my position. And do not offer others to do something. So that you are not offered to go somewhere.

And April 2016 is a clash, not a war, where the parties did not use their entire arsenal, and the duration was very limited.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Armenia will not receive any additional assistance.

Armenia will get everything and so much that Azerbaijan has no idea to start a war.

[Azdefence]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Armenia will get everything and so much that Azerbaijan has no idea to start a war.

from Armenia or Russia, you’re talking about the CSTO or Armenia. Azerbaijan does not care how much and what Armenia has. Take my word for it.

[KARAKURT15]

That's right, they helped. With the 366th regiment already helped. The Armenians over Khojaly have already transferred arrows to Russia. Pashinyan himself said))) We have nothing to do with it, the Russians did it. Well, if so ...

[Azdefence]

Quote: KARAKURT15

The Armenians over Khojaly have already transferred arrows to Russia. Pashinyan himself stated))

They are. They are now saying in full that the Khojaly genocide is guilty of Russians and not Armenians. Like Russian killed Azerbaijanis.

[Butchcassidy]

Nobody anywhere in Armenia, or anywhere else has ever mentioned "genocide" and "Khojaly" in one sentence. Why do you drag Russians in is generally incomprehensible.

Ask about Mutalibov about Khojaly. He will tell you.

[Azdefence]

Quote: ButchCassidy

Ask about Mutalibov about Khojaly. He will tell you.

Not tired of lying? Why honestly can’t you admit?

"Փաստը մնում է փաստ
Խոջալուում ադրբեջանցիների դեմ իրւսկւսնացված կոտորածը ոչ մը կապ չունի հայերի Լւ ւսդրբեջանցիների հետ Դա արվվլգգգգգգգգ Այս ողբերգության հստ մենը ոչ մի մեղք չունենք. "

In a literal translation into Russian, its entry means the following:

“The fact remains:
The massacre of Azerbaijanis in Khojaly has nothing to do with the Azerbaijani Armenians in Azerbaijan, this was done by the 366th Russian regiment. There is nothing wrong with this tragedy ”(for Armenians - approx. Z.M.).

[Butchcassidy]

Pashinyan is still an expert)) and about lies - is it you who teach Heideralian studies or am I? Why should I lie? Why should Mutalibov lie?)) As a result of this story, the NFA lost power. And Chingiz Mustafayev, who first removed the intact corpses of the corpse, and then, with traces of abuse, was somehow suddenly suddenly killed. Cui prodest? The question is rhetorical.

[Azdefence]

Quote: ButchCassidy

Pashinyan is another expert))

You claimed that you didn’t say this, and now say that he is an expert in quotation marks. Actually, he is the first person in Armenia.

Quote: ButchCassidy

Why should I lie?

To look fluffy and white among Russian opponents.

Quote: ButchCassidy

traces of abuse somehow immediately suddenly killed.

Drive the snowstorm again. Here is the moment when a bullet hit him. These were fights. We have no practice how do you Armenians shoot their own. You use this technique. He is still alive after being wounded and where he says that his people shot him. He was at the forefront. So turn off the Armenian radio and do not mislead people.

[Butchcassidy]

You claimed that you didn’t say this, and now say that he is an expert in quotation marks. Actually, he is the first person in Armenia.

Yes, even the tenth or zero. The question is that Pashinyan has nothing to do with the Karabakh war, he did not fight, he never differed in anything useful or significant in this matter (and in any other), if you do not take the question of organizing mass riots. He also threatened to drown the coronavirus in a glass of vodka. And before that he said that Armenia needed to leave the EAEU, and then he changed his shoes and told Putin how he would tear anyone on the British flag for the EAEU. And before that he said that by 2050 Armenia will become the UEFA champion. In short, a casual passenger in power. As evil tongues say, he has already been nicknamed "Lapshinyan's Prikol".

To look fluffy and white among Russian opponents.

Personally, I have no opponents, neither among Azerbaijanis, nor among Lezgins or Turks, especially Russians. I write as is.

Drive the snowstorm again. Here is the moment when a bullet hit him. These were fights. We have no practice how do you Armenians shoot their own. You use this technique. He is still alive after being wounded and where he says that his people shot him. He was at the forefront. So turn off the Armenian radio and do not mislead people.

What do you mean by this - without a clue. More like a stream of consciousness.

[alone]

Pashinyan is not an expert ... But a statesman of Armenia ... this is not the same either ...

[KARAKURT15]

Or maybe so. I would not be surprised. Although both participated in this massacre and it has already been proven.

[Butchcassidy]

Both are who? And what does this have to do with Baku’s interest in buying Russian fighters?

[Butchcassidy]

Listen to Mutalibov, he will tell you about Khojaly. And then you tell everyone why cattle and property were evacuated from there, but people did not and who needed it all.

[Azdefence]

Quote: ButchCassidy

Listen to Mutalibov, he will tell you about Khojaly.

That is, you want to say we killed our own in Khojaly and we ourselves wanted to determine ourselves twice in our own land?)))))))))))))))))))))))))))

[Butchcassidy]

You have decided on yourself. The question is that the NKR has nothing to do with your self-determination.

[Azdefence]

Quote: ButchCassidy

You have decided on yourself.

We and the whole world including Russia have decided. You are occupiers and must leave the territories of Karabakh. Aboriginal lands of Azerbaijan. Do not you understand?

[Butchcassidy]

We and the whole world including Russia have decided. You are occupiers and must leave the territories of Karabakh. Aboriginal lands of Azerbaijan. Do not you understand?

In vain you raised this topic. Oh, in vain)))

"The primordial lands of Azerbaijan" in relation to Az. R. is an oxymoron. The only "historical Azerbaijan" is the Iranian ostanes of West and East Azerbaijan. And the territory currently occupied by Az. R. never in the entire history of mankind was called otherwise than Arran and Shirvan. And in 1918, during the First World War, the Azerbaijan Democratic Republic was created with the bayonets of the Turkish general Nuri Pasha. The name was not chosen by chance - with the aim of tearing away from Iran its northern territories - historical Azerbaijan. And the people called "Azerbaijanis" never existed until the beginning of the 30s, when instead of the article "Muslims" (in relation to the Turkic-speaking Shiite population of Transcaucasia) the article "Azerbaijanis" appeared in the TSB!

So far (!) Discussions are underway in Baku on how the self-name should sound correctly - Azeri, Azeri or Azerbaijanlar.

[KARAKURT15]

You are deeply mistaken! About NATO .. ​​IT we do not need at all from the word ALL! Ukraine and Georgia are already at the start, and in the near future they will enter there. Next who will be your way? Armenia! But Azerbaijan does not lick its spit. We will definitely return our lands, you will still offer us your help in this. Do not believe? But let's see. But we will figure it out. At the expense of spending money .. Our money should not be considered. It's kind of indecent even. By the way, what is there in Libya and Syria? About Venezuela do not know, no? Leave your planes to yourself, we don’t need this stuff

[Azdefence]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Any military confrontation with Armenia for Azerbaijan will end in failure - the defeat of the army and the loss of territory.

in 2016, just the same, Armenia lost both equipment and soldiers and the territory and posters in Yerevan with the words PUTIN PAMAGI. Forgot chtoli?

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Armenia is in the CSTO and Russia will not abandon it.

Not that he will give up, even send. For this reason, Serzhik Azatovich sobbed at everyone in the CST forgot? And on the other hand, then you shout to the whole world that YOU are terminators, then again Russia. You already decide. Do you like to hide behind Russia. Oh, how you love ....

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Azerbaijan Russia does not hold hands, you can join NATO whenever you want

But keep your Armenian irony to yourself. Azerbaijan has not entered anywhere and is not going to. Wishful thinking is not necessary.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Karabakh conflict can be resolved only through negotiations

We’ve been talking for 30 years. It helps. No conversation. Whoever speaks of peace will not shoot at civilians. You do not know what the world is! You only understand the fist.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

not only an advantage in range, but also in the use of long-range missiles (R-37M) and bombs of greater power (KAB-1500).

You are an amateur in the matter of military strategy. What range are you talking about? Do you even know the area of ​​the Caucasian countries?

[Oquzyurd]

Airplanes are good, but not worth much. The maximum Mig-35 squadron needs to be purchased. And the main emphasis should be on UAVs. Now the Azerbaijani Armed Forces have the best flotilla of unmanned aerial vehicles in the region, but they need to be developed further. It is necessary to order heavy UAVs Akinci , with precision and smart weapons, similar to SOM. Money must be spent on armaments of the 21st century. Azerbaijan is not Libya, Iran or Vietnam, so that everything is shoved.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

An UAV can operate efficiently exactly until the sky is controlled by air defense systems in the form of beech or their counterparts.

A certain success of the same Turkey in Idlib was associated with the absence in the first line of the advancing air defense forces, as soon as it was pulled up, on the 2nd and 3rd day, all Turkish Anki and Bayraktars rained down from the sky like downed ducks.

And if Syria had modern fighter aircraft of the MiG-35 level, then they would have removed them from the sky much faster.

[Oquzyurd]

Akinci UAV, flight range 220-250 km, high-flying platform at 12 km, but according to some reports it’s gaining altitude up to 16 km. It carries a long-range, high-precision (up to 250 km) cruise missile SOM. It can easily hit the same without entering the air defense zone In addition, you can buy and use the second Anka-S series, called Aksungur, which is also a smart, unmanned platform for high-precision rockets. These drones can solve problems from an unreachable air defense zone.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

UAV Akinci, flight radius 220-250 km, high flying platform at 12 km, but according to some reports up to 16 km gaining altitude.

The Russian BUK of the latest modification hits targets like fighter / cruise missile at an altitude of up to 35 km and at a distance of up to 70 km and a speed of 3000 m / s, with one missile with a probability of 0,99999 ...

The capabilities of the S-400 are even higher.

OTRK Iskander can hit any ground target, including the airfield along with UAVs and aircraft on it from a distance of 500 km.

It can easily hit the air defense zone without entering the air defense zone

Air defense can be not only ground, but also in the form of fighters, and UAVs have no chance against them.

And how can a SOM missile with an UAV be able to hit maneuvering targets like the ZRPK Shell or the SAM of the BUK? How will it aim at a target with an UAV of 200-250 km? This is impossible, there is no radar on the UAV, there is an OLS, but at 200-250 it does not see and it is impossible to hit a maneuvering target using GPS.

In addition, you can buy and use the second Anka-S series, called Aksungur, which is also a smart, unmanned platform for high-precision missiles. These drones can solve problems from the inaccessible air defense zone.

UAVs cannot do this, UAVs have to work in the air defense strike zone, and this is their meaning otherwise you can use 4th generation fighters with pilots, there’s no risk at all, you don’t need to enter the air defense zone.

And I didn’t find that the SOM missile will go into service with the Akinci UAV, it’s about the F-16 and F-35.

[Oquzyurd]

Technical characteristics of the unmanned aerial vehicle AKINCI:

In the air: 24 hours
Altitude: 40000 feet
Payload: 1,350 kg (900 kg outside - 450 kg inside)
Take-off weight: 4,5 tons
Wingspan: 20 m
Motor: 2 × 900 hp turboprop
Data Network: LOS \ SATCOM
Radar: Milli AESA (Weather / South Africa)
Electronic warfare: electronic support unit
Weapons: MAM-L, MAM-C, Javelin, L-UMTAS, UMTAS, Bozok, MK-81, MK-82, MK-83, Precision Guidance Kit (HGK), Wing Guidance Kit (KGK) -MK-82, Teber-82, Gekdogan rocket, Bozdogan rocket, COM-A,

Electronic warfare
SAR Discovery
Signal intelligence
EO\IR Discovery
Wide observation
http://www.millisavunma.com/akinci-taarruzi-iha/
A wide range of bombs and rocket. For the first time in the history of the UAV, namely Akyndzhy, will be equipped with air-to-air missiles. From the list of weapons, "Gekdogan" and "Bozdogan" are air-to-air missiles.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Akinchi UAVs will probably be able to use bombs and ATGMs in the range range of the OLS - a few kilometers, but missiles only by GPS coordinates or other data loaded into the missile and only to hit targets that cannot change their location.

To hit moving targets, the aircraft needs to somehow detect them, transmit data to the rocket. And how can an UAV without a radar be able to pinpoint targets at ranges of 200-250 km? No way. That is why in the anti-ship version and the version of the attack of ground mobile targets, the missile is hung on the F-16 and F-35.

Hanging air-to-air missiles on a propeller-driven UAV is not very promising, the fighter will always see this UAV, be able to enter from the best angle of attack and strike at it with missiles from a distance from which it will always be able to evade a retaliatory attack due to speed and maneuverability. This is probably why no one except Turkey hangs air-to-air missiles on low-speed UAVs.

[Oquzyurd]

"In order to hit moving targets, the aircraft needs to somehow detect them." radically, according to the project called Kement. That is, you can shoot a rocket in the "blind", using other target designators, ground, air, and satellite. This is the work of systemic interaction, and not the work of a single UAV.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

It’s one thing with the help of UAVs to adjust artillery fire at a distance of 10-20 km and quite another to get confused will invade the airspace of another country to detect and destroy a mobile air defense system at a distance of 200 km.

The United States not so long ago only tried to fly into Iranian airspace with the help of the RQ-4A BAMS-D UAV and immediately lost it. Such an UAV costs almost 2 F-35s, under $ 200 million apiece.

And it is likely that they could not detect the air defense systems until they lost the UAV.

[Oquzyurd]

"The United States not so long ago just tried to fly into Iranian airspace using UAVs." There are completely different sizes and scales. For our region, there are enough small reconnaissance UAVs (not expensive) that fly within a radius of 150 km, and we have a lot of them. that we are talking about the territory of Karabakh, and there the depth is on average 50 km. Everything at a glance, air defense stations have long been known, there are not many mobile ones, it is not difficult to deal with them.

[Azdefence]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

An UAV can operate efficiently exactly until the sky is controlled by air defense systems in the form of beech or their analogues

Yeah. In Syria have already noticed))))

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

A certain success of the same Turkey in Idlib was associated with the absence in the first line of the advancing air defense forces

Well, you also do not have the first air defense echelon. True, they once took a chance with OSA, and immediately he was hit.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

And if Syria had modern fighter aircraft of the MiG-35 level, then they would have removed them from the sky much faster.

From your words it turns out that in the Karabakh sky you will shoot down Azerbaijani drones with your planes with impunity?)))))) The barracks, torahs, beeches, s-300 favorites can’t laugh at all))

[Oquzyurd]

“True, once we took a chance with the OSA, and immediately he was hit.” He was blown to pieces, and Sarkisyan said that the OSA was a little wounded

[Azdefence]

Quote: Oquzyurd

Sargsyan said that the OSA is a little wounded

"Partial" destruction

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Yeah. In Syria have already noticed))))

Both in Syria and in Libya, a lot of downed UAVs in Turkey, and these countries are now not in their best shape.

Well, you also do not have the first air defense echelon.

We in Russia have everything that is needed.

From your words it turns out that in the Karabakh sky you will shoot down Azerbaijani drones with your planes with impunity?)))))) The barracks, torahs, beeches, s-300 favorites can’t laugh at all))

I don’t see anything funny, the capabilities of the Su-30 make it possible to shoot low-speed UAVs from the airspace of Armenia more than 100 km into the depth of Azerbaijan, and if there are long-range missiles in general over the whole territory of Azerbaijan.

[Azdefence]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

We in Russia have everything that is needed.

So do you recognize Armenia as the Russian province? or I don’t understand something, why Azerbaijan needs to know how much and what is in Russia, we are not going to fight with them. And free cheese can only be found in a mousetrap, they paid with factories, the railway too, even cellular communications in Armenia became Russian. The fact that Kardashian will pay?)

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

I don’t see anything funny, the capabilities of the Su-30 allow from the airspace of Armenia

I do not see anything optimistic for you, after the Su-30 fires from the airspace towards Azerbaijan, Azerbaijani air defense will not allow the Su-30 to land at the airport.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

I am from Russia and I am Russian, we in Russia recognize Armenia as a separate state. Quite friendly to us.

[quote] A free cheese is only in a mousetrap, the factories paid, the railway too, even cellular communications in Armenia became Russian. [/ quote]

I don’t know what is going on in the factories, but you will agree that it is better to sell the plant than to bring it to complete collapse and ultimately be left without everything. Russia invests in Armenia, and this creates jobs, gives taxes to the budget.

[quote] [I do not see anything optimistic for you, after the Su-30 fires from the airspace towards Azerbaijan, Azerbaijan’s air defense will not allow the Su-30 to land at the airport. / quote]

It’s too presumptuous to say such a thing. You understand that not everything is so simple. If you start hostilities and your air defense approaches the borders of Armenia, and as soon as the radars of your complexes begin to work on them, they will work out anti-radar missiles, artillery or MLRS.

The fighting will drag out and require a large amount of ammunition, new equipment to make up for losses, and Armenia will have no problems with this, unlike Azerbaijan.

During the hostilities in Karabakh, Azerbaijan had a significant advantage in both people and technology, but this did not help you. So maybe you should try to solve this problem differently ?! Otherwise, you will let down resources for the war, and then the oil in Azerbaijan will end and there will be nothing to support the army, but to feed the country.

[KARAKURT15]

Do not tell my slippers. You are talking about what means. Tell Assad, too, otherwise he doesn’t know. Lose more than half of the park in 3 days Well it’s necessary to manage so Well, although you still rolled something from the warehouse. Duc Bayraktar not to get used to.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Lose more than half of the park in 3 days

It is simply amazing how, with such losses, Syria in a few days reduced the territory controlled by the terrorists in Idlib in half.

Maybe the whole point is that Syria has no huge losses? Did not think about it?

And no matter how hard Erdogan tried to keep the terrorists in Syria, everything in the end would look like this -

[Azdefence]

Quote: KARAKURT15

Do not tell my slippers. You are talking about what means. Tell Assad too

So Serzhik himself also knows very well how the Azerbaijani army likes to turn Armenian tanks into convertibles)))))))

[Azdefence]

Quote: Oquzyurd

Airplanes are good, but not worth much. The maximum squadron of Mig-35 must be purchased. And basically, the emphasis should be on UAVL.

I agree.
And I am very pleased that everything is in order with the UAV in Azerbaijan.

Quote: Oquzyurd

Azerbaijan is not Libya, Iran or Vietnam to shove everything that horrible.

and it pleases me too that ours do not buy horrible but buy what is needed.

[Pavel57]

And that China did not offer anything?

[Azdefence]

Quote: Pavel57

And that China did not offer anything?

And what can you buy from them?

[Pavel57]

J-10, for example, like Iran is eyeing it.

[Azdefence]

Quote: Pavel57

J-10, for example

41 lam for this bucket? No thanks.
Oh, they would sell us the Swedish flu, it’s the same for our

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: kotdavin4i

Good day to all. Updating the air component of the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan is a necessary thing. We have the entire base sharpened for Soviet, Russian equipment. Buying something western is a headache. We have Mig-29 - Mig-35 is a logical continuation. Pilots know how to fly - no need to retrain. Su-35 is probably not so necessary. Well, if the maximum to counter the Armenian Su-30.

It seems like at one time Azerbaijan was actively interested in Pakistani JF-17 Thunder, why didn’t they sign the contract?

[KARAKURT15]

Signed, we are waiting for two squadrons of block 3.

[KARAKURT15]

What is the opposition? Are you talking about 2 Used Su-shki? So they will not have time to gain farther than Chirac. And Azerbaijan needs western samples. All current combat aircraft of the Russian Federation are junk and illiquid assets.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

And Azerbaijan needs western samples. All current combat aircraft of the Russian Federation are junk and illiquid assets.

Yes, please, go buy a big market. Approximate prices - 8 F-16 for Bulgaria cost $ 2 billion airplanes + training, and each rocket another 1,5-2 million apiece, whose shelf life is limited.

Pull ?!

Of course not, that's why you buy weapons in Russia.

And as for junk and illiquid assets, this is to Erdogan, who did not dare to use in Syria not one of the 200 F-16s that are in service with Turkey, having lost several dozen of its heavy and medium strike UAVs there, despite the fact that in Syria they did not expect Turkey to side with the terrorists so openly so on a large scale.

[Azdefence]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

of 200 F-16 in service with Turkey

or more precisely 233.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

having lost several dozen of its heavy and medium impact UAVs there

You Armenians are so fond of adding zeros. There are not hundreds more. Only 4 drones and how many they destroyed equipment and soldiers? Is it worth it? Not one pilot was lost. So what better planes or drones?

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Erdogan, who never dared to apply

What he can dare, many know. And in this situation, they are not so stupid as you think.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Turkey will side with the terrorists

Before talking about Turkey, better tell about yours, if I list how many terrorist organizations you have, you will read for a long time

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

You Armenians are so fond of adding zeros.

We are not Armenians, we are Russian and no one adds zeros. In your opinion, Erdogan having lost only 4 UAVs destroying as he claims 150 or even more tanks, suddenly decided to go to the world ?!

In my opinion, Erdogan greatly exaggerates his successes and greatly understates his losses.

Not one pilot was lost.

Well, you can’t argue with that, when destroying Turkish UAVs, not a single Turkish operator was injured, it can only experience psychological stress, yet it is always not pleasant to lose 10-20 million dollars for one UAV.

But among the Turkish ground forces, the losses were significant.

[Azdefence]

Quote: kotdavin4i

Well, if the maximum to counter the Armenian Su-30.

Where in what part of the territory is this counteraction possible given the Azerbaijani air defense and why counteraction in the air when the air defense ideally copes with this task. In Sushki I also do not see the point. Who are you going to fight with?

[Thrifty]

"At the request" of the Armenian lobby, the United States will impose sanctions against the Azerbaijani authorities, and at this the attempt to show its staunch character will be strangled in the bud. And Azerbaijan will buy even Chinese planes, even used euro, but the main thing is that our cars will not let them buy the USA.

[Thrifty]

Destroyer, you’d even put one comma in your text! Although it’s good that not everyone wrote together

[Sky strike fighter]

if the Americans noticed and offered their letaki it would be the best option for us

Well, definitely Ukrainian.

[Yujanin]

Sky strike fighter

Well, definitely Ukrainian.

Why not Armenians?)

[Sky strike fighter]

He says the word "letak" instead of an airplane and considers Crimea to be Ukrainian.

[KARAKURT15]

Verbally, pRadaptive are not in fashion today. And we will buy to buy. After all, American Bell 412 turntables bought it.

[Azdefence]

Quote: Thrifty

"At the request" of the Armenian lobby of the United States to impose sanctions

:) Hahahaha))))) this is something new))) about the fact that the presidents of the United States every time throw with the recognition of the genocide, I knew that the sanctions would be introduced at the request of the Armenians, this is something new. At the request of Azerbaijan, the puppet regime in Karabakh, the US government completely eliminated financial assistance, this is true)

[KARAKURT15]

Do not rash him with salt on the wound

[KARAKURT15]

The comrade probably doesn’t know that in Russia the Armenian lobby is stronger than in the USA

[iouris]

In an interesting time we live: Russians are fighting drunkenness, Jews are fighting, Americans are doing business on the Moon, and Azerbaijanis are just surprising ...

[Oquzyurd]

"and Azerbaijanis" Support the fight against drunkenness

[iouris]

The main thing is that there is no war.

[Paranoid50]

Russia is ready to supply the Air Force of Azerbaijan Russian fighters.

Damn it, still persuaded Azerbaijan to Russian.
The Armenians offered - so they are in no way.

[Butchcassidy]

Honestly, he doesn’t specifically say. The fact that Baku is interested in buying aircraft is a normal practice, which includes visits to aircraft factories. Factories, of course, are interested in orders. The issues of supplies of such weapons have a high share of political expediency in making decisions on supplies. Moreover, decisions are made at a high level.

Why Az.R. I won’t buy Pakistani JF-17 - I don’t know. Maybe just part of the trading and market research.
What exactly will be delivered in the part of the Baku fighter aircraft and whether it will be - time will tell. Yes, and the very readiness of deliveries must be confirmed by the Russian side, which is represented by Rosoboronexport and the FSVTS, and not the Defense Ministry of Az.R

[WOLF330]

Quote: URAL72

We are the 35th, as it were, and there’s nothing to do with it, this is a step back, but for export it’s the most. While MiG rescued India and Egypt, then Hope mainly on Iran, Azerbaijan

And who told you that Azerbaijan needs a "step back"?

[KARAKURT15]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

but Russia is not abandoning its own.

How long has Armenia been included in the category of "friends"?))

[KARAKURT15]

Quote: Katernik

Azerbaijan is finally the territory of the Russian Empire ......

But this is only behind your ear you will see!

[KARAKURT15]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

but Armenia, in case of conflict, will provide equipment, ammunition and everything else

Well, Assad also helped in Syria. Now help Armenia. There is something to burn, do not worry. Patience is never unlimited. You will have a bit of luck, then you will regret it.

[Sarcasm]

My humble personal and unprofessional opinion - Azerbaijan is not eager to buy our planes, in any case certainly not the MiG-35.
This is not logical. The fact is that not long ago the President of Azerbaijan was in Italy, where, among other things, an agreement of intent was signed for the supply of M-346 combat training aircraft, analogues of our Yak-130. It was in the news for a long time, I'm afraid to be mistaken, but the French seemed to be offering Azerbaijan their Rafale, and they are the only ones who have the ability to supply in the West and do not depend on US restrictions.
Well, plus Pakistani, to be more precise, Chinese JF-17s, and Azerbaijan has very good relations with Pakistan, especially Azerbaijan, together with allied Turkey, bought training aircraft for initial training from Pakistanis.

Perhaps I can’t pretend to say with confidence that the whole thing is in the crisis and Azerbaijan is forced to consider our planes on the basis that they are cheaper, or if ours were given a discount, or offer a loan. Because the acquisition by Azerbaijanis of even Pakistani fighters, not to mention the French, would be a very bad trend, we are already gradually losing the market of the CIS countries.

In principle, if our Su-35s do not lose much, they will have superiority over the Armenian Air Force and have a more modern fighter than that of Iran. The MiG-29s of the Azerbaijani Air Force will soon be decommissioned, so as far as I understand, we are talking about 24 machines in the future and in the future, that is, not one decade ahead. With "for the future" this is just a bummer, our Su, despite all the modernizations, are still modernizations of the fighter developed in the 70s. "Unpatriotic", but if Azerbaijan has the means, then it is probably worth waiting for the export version of the Su-57, and not taking our reincarnations and modernization of the Su-27 and MiG-29.

Well, do not forget that the visit of their warriors and the photo session can be an element of pressure and bargaining with a Western supplier. Still, "Rafale" is more advanced than our Su-27, -35 and MiG-29, -35, I generally keep quiet about missile weapons, and besides, Azerbaijan, if you believe the articles and comments here on VO, is interested in developing cooperation with the Europeans , by the French, first of all, in terms of air defense systems and intends to acquire them after Georgia as a means of fighting the missiles of our Iskander missiles supplied to Armenia.

So everything is not clear here. For example, the Buk-2MBK air defense system is obviously created by Belarusians primarily for deliveries to Azerbaijan, why Azerbaijanis do not take more modern versions of the Buk air defense system from us? ... That is, we are not considered not only as an ally, it’s understandable, but also as a reliable supplier and everywhere where they can diversify suppliers, that is, they leave us, and in the Air Force they already depend on us for a large number of types and units of equipment ...

Follow the news, see how it all ends. It looks fantastic, but if you buy the M-346, then I put it on Rafal.

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Quote: Sarkazm

The fact is that until recently the President of Azerbaijan was in Italy, among other things, an agreement of intent was signed on the delivery of training combat aircraft M-346

To be honest, when I read the title of this article, I also thought about it.

Quote: Sarkazm

the French seemed to be offering Azerbaijan their "Rafale"

I hear it for the first time. If that were true, ours would be bought. Rafal is not a bad plane.

[KARAKURT15]

Rafal is too expensive to offer, although this is clearly not worth it.

[Azdefence]

Quote: KARAKURT15

Rafal is too expensive to offer, although this is clearly not worth it.

Flu needs flu.

[KARAKURT15]

Quote: Sarkazm

It looks fantastic, but if you buy the same M-346

Why science fiction? So M-346 Azerbaijan already in 2018 acquired 10 aircraft with an option of 15. That is, 10 aircraft are already in Azerbaijan, we are waiting for 15 and plus we have agreed to purchase an integration system for M-346 aircraft. Our pilots are trained on fifth-generation aircraft.
https://www.trend.az/azerbaijan/politics/3195591.html

[KARAKURT15]

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This is probably why no one except Turkey hangs air-to-air missiles on low-speed UAVs.

And so in Libya, it was from the UAV that the An-12 was shot down

[KARAKURT15]

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It is simply amazing how, with such losses, Syria in a few days reduced the territory controlled by the terrorists in Idlib in half.

The meat of ichtamnets and Iranian drug addicts. But Idlib stands still, soon Aleppo will return, and then the Syrian people will reach Sham.

[KARAKURT15]

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having lost several dozen of its heavy and medium impact UAVs there

Inspire yourself tirelessly. Even Rossmi specified the figure of 4 units, but no, we must give out what is desired as valid

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https://www.trend.az/azerbaijan/politics/3195591.html

You are mistaken in the composition of your Air Force M-346 there is not a single unit ... and it is not a fact that they will be

Only a memorandum was signed, but there were no supplies and contracts, according to the press, the M-346 was shown in Azerbaijan, but nothing more.
Therefore, the contract with the Italians can explain a lot - buy the M-346, then the option of acquiring Rafal is possible or plans for the purchase of Western fighters in the future will be confirmed.

Here you need to sit in your MO to understand what you want at all, whether you have money now, because there were already problems with paying for our supplies, so there can be many options. The simplest and most ordinary, this is of course the version with the MiG-35, for example, you will get several units and upgrade those that you already have, delivered by Ukraine, to the SM variant, etc., to survive until the time when Western aircraft are available , or a Russian fighter of the 5th generation. But the MiG-35 is only a quantitative increase in capabilities and only a little qualitative, by modern standards it is already in bloom.

Plus, you need to understand that aircraft in the most advanced modification or configuration are not supplied for export, in addition, the Su-35, even in the "C" version and the MiG-35, are far from the most modern fighters. But both the MiG and the Su have an "open architecture", that is, it is possible to interface with other systems, for example, the Turks can help you with suspended containers manufactured by Aselsan, they have already installed their cruise missile, although its carrier is unknown (MiG-29 or Su- 25, or they could have just rolled a mock-up), but this is all for strikes against ground targets. But in terms of radar, the Turks are not your helpers, and the Israelis do not have a variant of their own radar for aircraft of this class to realize its capabilities as an air conquest fighter.

As for Rafal, he raised the news, they were discussed in connection with Sarkozy's arrival in Baku to Aliyev, allegedly they were also discussed. Even a dozen such aircraft, it would not be like a step, a jump several steps forward for your Air Force in terms of mastering modern aviation technology and control systems, this, of course, if you have sufficiently qualified personnel. Rafal may not significantly surpass our Su and MiG in capabilities and characteristics, but it contains more modern technologies and systems, more advanced than the Su and MiG. You can, for example, have an equal or greater detection range, but have a radar in the key of the motto "Soviet microcircuits are the largest in the world!" or compact and modern ...
I read that yours were interested in the JAS-39, but there they got a lapel, because many components and components of American origin were used, Grippen is an interesting fighter, but Rafal, despite the higher cost, will still be more appropriate.

And in conclusion, given the global economic crisis and the fall in oil prices, the cheapest option will most likely be chosen. As far as I know, Azerbaijan is going through a crisis and is no longer a "golden client" in the arms market. We are interested in Azerbaijan in terms of sanctions and restrictions on supplies to other countries. We will see how it all ends, you can guess endlessly.

[Oquzyurd]

https://haqqin.az/news/137495 9 октября 2018,Азербайджан купил у Италии 10 боевых самолет
https://m.minval.az/news/123687311
Photo in Azerbaijan 2017/05/10. The first M-346 Leonardo, the military airfield.

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Quote: Oquzyurd

https://haqqin.az/news/137495 9 октября 2018,Азербайджан купил у Италии 10 боевых самолет
https://m.minval.az/news/123687311
Photo in Azerbaijan 2017/05/10. The first M-346 Leonardo, the military airfield.

In one case, your news agency refers to a Russian resource, in the other it is just talking about the M-346 demonstration, in the cockpit is your Minister of Defense, who is not even a tanker, much less a pilot
Italy is a European state, whether it was deliveries of such equipment, especially since a couple of years ago or last year, it would have reported a long time ago, plus I would have found references to deliveries, for example, in Armenian media. But there is nothing about deliveries from Italians, nor from your information agencies that are trustworthy, nor discussions in the Armenian press.
I understand you would like to have such equipment in your Air Force, but so far you have the most modern training machine is the L-39.