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Unrealized projects of the USSR: from the Palace of Soviets and Taiga to Spiral

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The Soviet Union was much on large-scale projects. Among them are water reservoirs that swallowed up previously settled territories, hydroelectric power stations that blocked the great rivers, giant coal openings, the size of a city, etc. Today, they are all taken for granted. People no longer think of other pictures of the world around them.


Projects that have not become reality


There were projects in the Soviet plans that, having aroused public opinion, were remembered as an example of ambitious projection or thoughtless initiative. These include, first of all, the project of transferring the flow of Siberian rivers to the republics of Central Asia.

The project initiators proposed to lay a large shipping channel from the Ob to Uzbekistan. He was supposed to provide water to Uzbek cotton growers and save the Aral Sea. In addition to this channel, it was proposed to reverse the Irtysh. Direct its water to the arid regions of Kazakhstan. A special hydroelectric facility, pumping stations, a canal and a huge reservoir had to provide this venture.

In 1985, the USSR Academy of Sciences declared the project insolvent due to its dangerous environmental consequences. All work has been discontinued. It was rumored that the decision of the academicians was affected by the unsuccessful implementation of the Taiga project, which was forgotten by the general public. He was to replenish the waters of the shallow Caspian. The Taiga project envisaged connecting the Pechora and Kolva rivers in the Perm Territory with a canal. For this, planned 250 nuclear explosions! The first three of them in 1971 carried radioactive fallout beyond the territory of the USSR.

An international scandal arose. The Soviet Union was accused of violating the Moscow treaty banning nuclear tests in three environments. The project was closed, leaving a radioactive lake in memory of him. As they say, not all projects are equally useful ...

Such unrealized projects during the years of Soviet power have accumulated several dozen. You can also recall the construction of the Palace of Soviets in Moscow. The monumental building, 415 meters high, crowned with a hundred-meter sculpture of Lenin, was intended to hold sessions of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR and other public events.

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They decided to erect a palace on the site of the Cathedral of Christ the Savior. The temple in 1931 was blown up. Eight years were transported with the foundation. Then they took up the frame of the building. A lot of money was spent. But, as it turned out, in the end they flew into the tube like the labor of hundreds of people. Further work was hindered by the war. During the defense of Moscow, steel structures were dismantled and allowed to build bridges. Perhaps this is the only thing that can be considered a positive component of the project of the Palace of Soviets. Later, at that very place, the world's largest outdoor winter pool "Moscow" was opened. Now here is the temple again.

When there were not enough forces and means


There were projects in the Soviet asset that were hindered by the state’s lack of forces, means and technologies. The first in this row is the Crimean bridge. They thought about it even under the king. Under Stalin, they built, but failed. The bridge piers were smashed by the first ice drift. To realize this project an opportunity appeared only in the new century.

Having coped with this task, we remembered about Sakhalin Island. In the post-war years, they tried to connect it with the mainland by an underwater tunnel. Almost 30 thousand prisoners were attracted to work. After the death of Stalin, people were released from punishment, and the construction site was abandoned.

Crimean success persuaded the Russian government to build, instead of a tunnel, a bridge from the mainland to Sakhalin. From it they decided to make another transition through the Laperouse Strait to the Japanese island of Hokkaido. The bridge to Sakhalin and railway approaches to it were estimated at more than 500 billion rubles.

The high cost of the project dampened the enthusiasm of government officials. They did not refuse to build the bridge, but delegated its development to the Russian Railways company, which was already overloaded with projects at the BAM, in Siberia, and plans for high-speed highways.

As the deputy chief engineer of the Giprostroymost Institute project, Nikolai Mitrofanov, recently stated in the media, the bridge to Sakhalin will be primarily designed to solve geopolitical problems - to increase the connectedness of the territories. Its carrying capacity in the first stages of operation will be 9,2 million tons per year.

In other words, the developers took the path of reducing the cost of the project. Now they will build only one railway track. This, of course, will reduce plans - to drive goods to Japan. However, things have shifted. The Sakhalin Bridge is part of infrastructure projects that fall under the resources of the National Wealth Fund.

Another ambitious project of the Soviet era is being implemented - the transpolar highway. True, now she changed her name to the Northern latitudinal passage. The original Soviet project saw a railway from the shores of the Barents Sea to the coast of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk and Chukotka. Then we limited ourselves to the segment "Chum - Salekhard - Korotchaevo - Igarka", but they did not master it in full.

The revived Northern Latitudinal Railway project is luckier these days. It is included in the "Strategy for the development of railway transport in the Russian Federation until 2030." Last August, the MosOblTransProekt company almost completed geological and geodetic surveys at the objects of the course. Its individual sections are being built. According to already completed plans, the highway should be put into operation in 2023.

Ahead of time


You can still give examples of useful projects for the country, which did not have enough Soviet strengths. Among them are those who are simply ahead of their time. The first in this series can be called the project of the colonization of Mars. In the romantic years of space exploration, scientists believed that by the end of the twentieth century, Soviet scientific bases would be built on this planet.

To this went. Projects of flights to the red planet appeared in 1959. Later, the Soviet apparatus Mars-3 was successfully planted on it. The first flight to Mars was scheduled for June 8, 1971. On July 10, 1974, the astronauts were supposed to return to Earth.

Then the plans were adjusted. They decided to combine the flight to Mars with an intermediate flight of Venus. For this task, they even proposed a project for a three-seater interplanetary ship with a rocket booster block. After the early death of the chief designer Sergey Pavlovich Korolyov, all projects were turned off. In the new century, the colonization of Mars became the “fix idea” of the world's space programs.

Today, at the start of the digital age, it is not out of place to recall the Sphinx project, an integrated communication system. It made it possible to control all home radio electronics not only from the remote control, but also by voice, communicate with network subscribers, including in the form of online conferences.

The system was composed of a processor with three memory units and a screen, a headphone, a liquid crystal or gas plasma screen, a hand-held remote with a removable display and a large remote with a telephone handset, spherical and acoustic speakers.

According to some expert estimates, the project did not reach consumers because of its high cost, but basically the Sphinx’s failure is associated with the collapse of the Union, which has collapsed many promising initiatives.

A number of projects ahead of their time are military developments. Among them are those that are implemented and even today are in service. (For example, a supersonic strategic bomber bomber with a variable sweep wing Tu-160 or a supersonic all-weather long-range fighter-interceptor MiG-31).

Others were less fortunate. In particular, the Spiral aerospace system. It was composed of an orbital plane, which was launched into space from an air launch by an accelerator aircraft. Then the rocket stage delivered the spaceship into orbit.

At the end of the 1970s, seven successful Spiral test flights were carried out, but the system never got to launch. The project was quietly covered up, giving preference to a new promising development of Energy-Buran, which, alas, did not survive the country that created it.

You can grieve over these and other military projects that are ahead of their time and not implemented. Soothing one thing: the work of Soviet designers was not forgotten. In one way or another, he embodied in modern weapons systems.

Looking back, we can state that all three types of unrealized Soviet projects (project-based, unsecured by technologies and necessary means, and ahead of time) remain in our storiesas attempts to make the country modern, advanced and exemplary for the world. All this to some extent justifies even the most bitter failures of past years and generations.
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  1. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket April 7 2020 13: 54 New
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    Add the transpolar railway line and railway tunnel to about. Sakhalin, which was killed by the maize ...
    1. DMB 75
      DMB 75 April 7 2020 14: 05 New
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      He killed a lot of things. But the Siberian rivers were not redirected to Asia, we were very lucky. There were many projects where "the head of the mind doesn’t give rest, but there were much more implemented and necessary projects under the USSR that are now impossible for us. Magnetka , Baikal-Amur Railway, Volga-Don Canal, Volga Hydroelectric Power Station, Bratsk and Sayano-Shushenskaya Hydroelectric Power Station, Baikonur Cosmodrome and many others. Great country, great construction projects ..
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket April 7 2020 14: 12 New
        +3
        From envy to the glory of the great I.V. Stalin Khrushchev Trotskyist and closed. The cooperatives closed, and a shortage of consumer goods arose.
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta April 7 2020 21: 15 New
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          Quote: Tank jacket
          From envy to the glory of the great I.V. Stalin Khrushchev Trotskyist and closed. The cooperatives closed, and a shortage of consumer goods arose.

          I greatly apologize, but I have a question for you, how can the love for the Bolshevik communist I.V. Stalin and the enthusiastically devoted attitude towards bourgeois-liberal Putin be placed in you?
          1. Tank jacket
            Tank jacket April 7 2020 21: 18 New
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            You can not understand... request
            1. Malyuta
              Malyuta April 7 2020 22: 07 New
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              Quote: Tank jacket
              You can not understand...

              So I ask, to at least try to understand what can unite two absolute antipodes and irreconcilable enemies in your mind? I would listen without any sarcasm. But most likely you cannot even explain this paradoxical phenomenon to yourself. hi .
              1. Tank jacket
                Tank jacket April 7 2020 22: 54 New
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                Both leaders are statesmen, conservative, both leaders, Stalin and Putin, are subjects of global politics.
                1. Malyuta
                  Malyuta April 8 2020 10: 55 New
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                  Quote: Tank jacket
                  Tank jacket (Ruslan)

                  Thanks for the reply. hi You are the first to answer and now at least something becomes clear, although
                  Quote: Tank jacket
                  Both leaders are statesmen, conservative, both leaders, Stalin and Putin, are subjects of global politics.

                  if you show this answer in 5 years, then ...
                  Colleague, this article discusses the great plans of the Great Country and Great People. And if today 08.04.2020/20/10 we understand that a Great Socialist country was created in XNUMX years of Stalinism, and Putin scored XNUMX goals and with it just the very heritage of that same country was barbarously plundered and destroyed, then it’s really possible to compare one the sign "+" is infinity, and the other is lack of consciousness "-".
                  Look carefully, Stalin left behind not only the MSS, but also the Great Country and some of his personal belongings, a uniform, a pipe, boots, but what did citizen Putin leave? PSS? ? Great country? And who would this citizen be under Stalin?
                  I suggest you just think about all this and try to rethink.
                  "...enemies are different. There are class enemies who do not reconcile with
                  Soviet authorities and seek its overthrow at all costs. There are also
                  such class enemies who reconcile, one way or another, with Soviet power.
                  There are enemies who are trying to prepare the conditions for the overthrow of the dictatorship
                  proletariat. These are the Mensheviks, Socialist-Revolutionaries, Cadets and others. But there are such
                  enemies who collaborate with Soviet power and fight against those
                  who stand on the point of view of the overthrow of Soviet power, hoping that
                  the dictatorship will gradually weaken, reborn and will go later
                  towards the interests of the new bourgeoisie.

                  ("VII Extended Plenum of the ECCI" vol. 9 p. 70.)
                  1. Tank jacket
                    Tank jacket April 8 2020 11: 08 New
                    +1
                    It was easier for Stalin. Stalin had ideology, censorship, the power to put officials on the wall, confiscation, finances under control, education under state control. Closed borders.
                    1. Malyuta
                      Malyuta April 8 2020 14: 04 New
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                      Quote: Tank jacket
                      It was easier for Stalin. Stalin had ideology, censorship, the power to put officials on the wall, confiscation, finances under control, education under state control. Closed borders.

                      Are you serious about the fact that Stalin was easier ???????
                      It was easier in the Civil, it was easier to build a new government and country, it was easier to fight against illiteracy and homelessness, it was easier to carry out industrialization, it was easier to send the SON to the front, it was easier during the war, well, after the war it was also very easy ??? ??
                      But it’s much harder to break it all down, promise for 20 years, get sick and PR.
                      Colleague I really do not know what to tell you ....
                      I greatly apologize, but after our dialogue I begin to understand with particular acuteness how insignificant this Sobchak character is. Thank you. hi
              2. sleeve
                sleeve April 8 2020 00: 46 New
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                Hmm ... Putin is the antipode of Stalin? A very bold statement.
      2. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk April 7 2020 14: 50 New
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        Quote: DMB 75

        But the Siberian rivers were not redirected to Asia, we were very lucky. There have been many projects where "a bad head gives peace of mind

        It seems to me that the words “idea”, “project”, “elaboration of an idea”, etc., are used incorrectly.
        Aral is dying. There is a desire to save him. The IDEA for transferring the waters of the northern rivers appears. Is this a project project? No! An IDEA is being worked on, during which it turns out that the implementation of an idea will do more harm than good. That's it, the idea is buried! Where is the projection ?!
        Years pass and some begin to dance with a tambourine - in the USSR, all projects, judging by the article, are projection projects!
        The author’s graduation on three types of projects is ridiculous. Because, 1. projects "unsecured by technologies and necessary means" they, in fact, are - project-based.
        2. Projects "ahead of time" are also project-related .., at the time of the project.
        Today it became clear to us that they were "ahead of time"
        Therefore, the young reader of this "dance with a tambourine" also gets the impression - the USSR is a country of projections.
        But we know that this is not so !!!! The article is definitely a huge minus.
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ April 7 2020 15: 53 New
          +4
          Part of the river turning project has been implemented - Karaganda is fed from the Irtysh. No environmental impact.
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 April 7 2020 14: 12 New
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      They were killed by Malenkov and Beria. Decisions were made before Khrushchev seized power from Malenkov.
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket April 7 2020 14: 13 New
        +4
        No, it was Khrushchev. Could still finish building at Khrushchev enough.
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 April 7 2020 14: 16 New
          +1
          Until 1957 there was a collective leadership. And in 1953-1955. the leadership in this leadership gradually passed from Malenkov to Khrushchev.
          1. Tank jacket
            Tank jacket April 7 2020 14: 18 New
            +3
            Oh no ... Could be preserved for 1-2 years, and then continue.
        2. Gene84
          Gene84 April 7 2020 18: 28 New
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          Khrushchev had enough time, only he spent that time cooling the Great Stalin.
          1. Tank jacket
            Tank jacket April 7 2020 18: 54 New
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            Gennady agrees hi
  2. Barmaleyka
    Barmaleyka April 7 2020 14: 06 New
    +5
    and I like the project of a house of tips
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins April 7 2020 14: 19 New
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      They told us at the institute that according to the project, there should have been a library in Lenin’s head! And what would Ilyich not look asymmetrical, then the legs of the figure should have been small, and the head is huge!)
      1. Barmaleyka
        Barmaleyka April 7 2020 14: 29 New
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        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        They told us at the institute that according to the project, there should have been a library in Lenin’s head!

        The building was to be crowned with a grandiose statue of V.I. LENIN. The Construction Council announced a closed competition, which attracted the best sculptors of the country. Of the 25 projects submitted, 12 were selected for submission to the government, of which Sergey Dmitrievich MERKUROV's project (1881-1952) was approved. Earlier, the sculptor performed the posthumous mask of Lenin, the monument to Lenin in Tver, the monument to Lenin the thinker for the Lenin Museum, and, finally, 30-meter sculptures of Lenin and Stalin on the Volga-Moscow canal.

        Initially, the sculpture was supposed to be no more than 80 meters high, but after a large outline work, it was decided to increase the height to 100 meters. The weight of the designed sculpture would be 6 tons. Lenin’s head would be comparable to a 000-story building and would have a diameter of 5 meters (there were suggestions that the library will be located in the statue (in the head)); index finger - 4 meters; chest circumference - 32 meters.


        1. NordUral
          NordUral April 7 2020 15: 01 New
          +4
          Reminds the Tower of Babel.
          1. Barmaleyka
            Barmaleyka April 7 2020 15: 03 New
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            Quote: NordUral
            Reminds the Tower of Babel.

            than?
            1. NordUral
              NordUral April 7 2020 15: 04 New
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              The grandeur of the design.
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine April 7 2020 15: 16 New
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          Quote: Barmaleyka
          Of the 25 projects submitted, 12 were selected for submission to the government, of which Sergey Dmitrievich MERKUROV's project (1881-1952) was approved.

          It is unfortunate that they did not build it. This monument would be the personification of the era. And there is no monument and the era, too, sorry.
        3. Starover_Z
          Starover_Z April 7 2020 20: 22 New
          +1
          Quote: Barmaleyka
          Lenin’s head would be comparable to a 5-story building and would have a diameter of 14 meters (there were suggestions that a library would be placed in the statue (in the head)); index finger - 4 meters; chest circumference - 32 meters.

          Tsereteli was born late, in 1934, otherwise he would have sculpted.
      2. mr.ZinGer
        mr.ZinGer April 7 2020 18: 15 New
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        There was a note in the magazine Popular Mechanics that an anti-aircraft battery should have been in the leader’s head.
    2. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins April 7 2020 14: 21 New
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      By the way, Hitlerite Germany walked with us on projects of gigantism "head to head". There, too, they drew amusing layouts)))
      1. Barmaleyka
        Barmaleyka April 7 2020 14: 38 New
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        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        By the way, Hitlerite Germany walked with us on projects of gigantism "head to head".

        what's this for ?!
        for me it’s better to have a palace of congresses that is really beautiful than this refuge
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins April 7 2020 15: 11 New
          +1
          You in my comments, apparently, missed the word Hitler’s , the possessed also gravitated to gigantomania. Check out his 40s Berlin upset designs.
          1. Fat
            Fat April 7 2020 21: 51 New
            +1
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            You in my comments, apparently, missed the word Hitler’s , the possessed also gravitated to gigantomania. Check out his 40s Berlin upset designs.

            And why only Berlin development projects? ... The Prorsky colossus can still be appreciated ... More precisely, its remains on the island of Rügen.
        2. Campanella
          Campanella April 7 2020 15: 36 New
          +3
          The complex of buildings - "Rotten teeth of capitalism"
          1. Starover_Z
            Starover_Z April 7 2020 20: 23 New
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            Quote: Campanella
            The complex of buildings - "Rotten teeth of capitalism"

            It would be here to build the House of Soviets! It would have looked better!
        3. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine April 7 2020 15: 51 New
          +1
          Quote: Barmaleyka
          for me it’s better to have a palace of congresses that is really beautiful than this refuge

          For a long time such squalor was not built in the vastness of the Russian state,
        4. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 7 2020 21: 05 New
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          Soon all the major cities of Russia will be like that.
          1. Barmaleyka
            Barmaleyka April 7 2020 21: 07 New
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            not a fact, and why?
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 April 8 2020 13: 23 New
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              Fact in Novosibirsk and Yekaterinburg already appear.
      2. Fishery
        Fishery April 9 2020 19: 36 New
        +1
        you are absolutely right, the style of socialist realism, he was the same in 30-40 and in Germany and the USSR
    3. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. April 7 2020 14: 39 New
      -1
      He is not bad. But when the majority of Moscow residents huddled in huts and communal apartments (as Vysotsky sang there: "there are only one lavatory for 38 rooms"), to put it mildly, it was illogical. Here is the Moscow metro - it was really necessary, the city was already suffocating from traffic jams then.
      1. Barmaleyka
        Barmaleyka April 7 2020 14: 43 New
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        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        it was, to put it mildly, illogical.
        maybe yes, maybe no, because you still need to consider the inspirational role of such things
        1. NordUral
          NordUral April 7 2020 15: 03 New
          +3
          Vladimir! the most inspiring thing is when you open the door to your new and separate apartment.
          1. Barmaleyka
            Barmaleyka April 7 2020 15: 05 New
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            Quote: NordUral
            when you open believe in that new separate apartment.

            far from always
            1. NordUral
              NordUral April 7 2020 15: 07 New
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              I agree when this is your tenth or twentieth apartment. At this stage, not so much.
      2. Campanella
        Campanella April 7 2020 15: 38 New
        +7
        Life is not logical at all.
        Against the background of miserable living conditions of the war veterans, the palaces of the current government are even more illogical, but for some reason this does not soar you.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. April 7 2020 15: 56 New
          -3
          The current government, like the royal one, did not declare itself popular. The Soviet government pounded its heels on the chest, that it was flesh from flesh and proletarian blood from blood, but, for some reason, instead of housing for workers, tried to build this colossus. I understand such a construction, when the people are wealthy, live in comfortable housing.
          History put everything in its place: the unfinished during the war was dismantled and steel of the DS grade (the house of the Soviets, that was what it was called) was sent to where it was needed most - for the front, for victory.
          1. Campanella
            Campanella April 7 2020 16: 09 New
            +2
            Moiseev led the people for 40 years .... So under Brezhnev, poorly poorly solved the housing problem.
            In addition, Putin himself said that the people chose capitalism, but he said this in his defense.
            It turns out we wanted capitalism, we got it. Accordingly, we want socialism and we will get it.
            And the last, royal power it is as if from God, but for the fatherland and the people.
            But the current one is not from God and is not popular. And this means that she will not last long.
            Although formally, you probably have not heard, but the president talked about Russia as a social state. I hope you are a critic of the Soviet regime and the opposition of the current regime understand what he meant?
          2. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid April 7 2020 17: 11 New
            +4
            ...... instead of housing for workers ......
            This is nonsense and unwillingness to inquire.
            First you need to remember how those peasants who came to work in St. Petersburg before the revolution lived. There have already been discussions about this many times here, forum users provided links about shift work on workbenches or in shelters. One room was rented by several working families with their children. If you compare this with the room in the communal room for the family ----- this is progress under those conditions. For workers, houses were built that were possible at that time. With those funds. These were communal houses with kitchen factories ((there were no refrigerators before)), hygiene facilities, libraries, and laundries. Many of these brick houses had wooden stairs. A lot was missing for the national economy. Some of these communal houses have now collapsed; this was the first construction. Some still exist either as hostels of educational institutions or as residential. Of course, they improved and even increased the number of storeys.
            I'm not talking about the construction of urban infrastructure buildings. What is the most interesting, not only in the capitals.
            So ---- a search engine to help.
            By the way, the intelligentsia lived in communal houses.
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. April 7 2020 17: 16 New
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              It has already been estimated that for the cost of the Palace of Soviets it was possible to build several residential neighborhoods for almost a hundred thousand people. Or build three subway lines. And the metal of his skeleton would be enough for more than one hundred steam locomotives, which the NKPS lacked so much.
              1. Campanella
                Campanella April 7 2020 18: 59 New
                +5
                And now it’s not necessary to consider how many premium residential complexes have been built for successful ones? With this money, so many residential neighborhoods can be built ... and if you count the castles of the nouveau riche.
                1. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. April 7 2020 19: 28 New
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                  Now private developers are building. With your money, that luxury housing, that budget - choose in your pocket. And the Palace of Soviets was built from the budget, feel the difference.
        2. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid April 8 2020 10: 37 New
          +1
          Speaking about the living conditions of the post-revolutionary time, they somehow forget that plans for the development of the district and the city appeared and were being implemented. Moreover, it was not only housing, but the structure for the new Soviet man ---- communal houses, work clubs, motels, public baths, stadiums ... More recently, I learned that stadiums were built in Leningrad from the 20s, generally under the tsar they were not in RI. After all, sport was not only sport, but also the education of young people, the creation of a new man. In Leningrad, stadiums were either integrated into the islands or oriented to water, and this was a new solution
          Interestingly, there is interest in this post-revolutionary construction in different countries.
      3. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid April 8 2020 06: 23 New
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        But was it known that at the turn of the 19th and 20th centuries, toilets (according to statistics) were only in almost all the lords' apartments? That is, where is "" 38 rooms ""? And in small apartments about a third. Mostly on the lower floors. Sometimes, for residents of the upper floors there was a toilet on the back stairs. Sometimes in the old fund and now you can see such a small pantry on the stairs. Former toilet.
        And the question is. How could Stolypin conceive of industrialization during the resettlement of a huge mass of peasants in cities without any housing for these people? Ah ah! And no one reproaches this. Praise the Stolypin reform.
        So, housing improvements took place in the 20s and 30s. But in accordance with those ideas and possibilities. And not with the current ones.
    4. Trapperxnumx
      Trapperxnumx April 7 2020 16: 21 New
      -4
      the project was done with taste, you can’t argue, but there are two things that should not have been done:
      1. There was no need to destroy for this the Cathedral of Christ the Savior
      2. I can not disagree with the arguments of AS Ivanov - when the country just got out of the ruins of the Civil War and exerted all its efforts to develop industry, and most of the workers lived in creepy huts and communal apartments to build such things is impermissible luxury.
      1. Campanella
        Campanella April 7 2020 23: 54 New
        +1
        It’s arguable that you don’t have to go to the cinema, to the theater when the crisis.
        It was not necessary to destroy the temple of course, but it was a time of a big dream, search, grandiose plans.
        And now routine is dough time!
        Cut down, spend some crap and be proud of yourself.
        Very informative.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid April 8 2020 06: 30 New
          +1
          What are we talking about? Destroyed and destroyed. Our ancestors. The generation that conducted industrialization won the Second World War, defeated fascism. There can be no reproaches and misery
          Now what? How many factories, industries in the post-Soviet space are destroyed .. abandoned houses .. villages and small towns are destroyed.
  3. Moore
    Moore April 7 2020 14: 14 New
    +6
    Then the plans were adjusted. They decided to combine the flight to Mars with the intermediate flight of Venus. For this task, they even proposed the design of a three-seater interplanetary ship with a rocket booster.

    The author could not clarify what kind of project in question, where Venus can fly around on the way to Mars and where was the crew of three people planned?
    One was (Burdaev), six were also (Aelita project), but three?
    1. Errr
      Errr April 7 2020 15: 26 New
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      Miles sorry, I'm not an author, but try to see the article at http://epizodsspace.airbase.ru/bibl/spaceage/11.htm. There is interesting information there, including the possibility of interplanetary flight with a successive flight past two planets - Mars and Venus. This option was considered back in 1956.
  4. apro
    apro April 7 2020 14: 27 New
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    The author kicked red. And licked today's effective managers. The deflection counted.
    Today there are no projects commensurate with the projects of the country of councils. They swim a little, but grab a good one.
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 April 7 2020 14: 42 New
      +5
      I totally agree with you. Of the good and useful only the flight program to Mars. Ha. And about others, actually needed? About the trans-polar highway, the tunnel to Sakhalin, the large-scale increase in arable land in the north of Kazakhstan and the planting of over 5 million hectares of forest, and the canal to Uzbekistan, and much more that they wanted, started, but did not have time to do in the Stalin USSR ..
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid April 7 2020 16: 49 New
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      Quote: apro
      The author kicked red. And licked today's effective managers. The deflection counted.
      Today there are no projects commensurate with the projects of the country of councils. They swim a little, but grab a good one.

      Since all the property belonged to the state and large-scale and long-term projects were possible. When the parents were young, it was said that exploration 50 years ahead charted the necessary options. These 50 years are exhausting, and who is already using the results of 30 years?
      Probably the same situation in all sectors .....
      And in medicine for sure. It is thanks to the fact that not everything is destroyed that we can compare the situation with other countries to our advantage.
      Now long-term projects do not start.
  5. knn54
    knn54 April 7 2020 14: 35 New
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    The project is a nationwide automated system for accounting and information processing (OGAS).
    Could practically eradicate:
    - deficit, because production, delivery and consumption of goods will be calculated even at the stage of raw material procurement;
    -corruption with postscripts, because all cash flows are monitored and the slightest deviation from the calculations will cause close attention.
    Too many were not interested in implementing this project ....
    1. NordUral
      NordUral April 7 2020 15: 10 New
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      Frankly speaking, it is precisely those who ruined and ruined the Union.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. April 7 2020 16: 01 New
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        It is those who spread rot genetics, microbiology and cybernetics. That is - the Communists. And the collapse of the state - their hands.
        1. NordUral
          NordUral April 7 2020 18: 06 New
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          Cybernetics and genetics were destroyed by the predecessors of the current liberals in power, Andrei.
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. April 7 2020 18: 33 New
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            Exactly so. The party just changed the sign.
            1. NordUral
              NordUral April 7 2020 18: 49 New
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              No, not so, Andrey. In the USSR there were communists and there were members of the CPSU, for whom the party booklet was a pass to the feeding trough. So they and their children with grandchildren were and are real liberalists. This is the foam of the “thawed” with crunch.
              1. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. April 7 2020 19: 49 New
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                Let's start with the fact that the USSR rested on one person. Well, two, if Lavrenty Pavlovich add. And the communist party, in the full sense of the word, existed only when it was periodically thinned out. Like a carrot. Destroyed Stalin and Beria and all. The party has rotted, the country has gradually crumbled. Party membership has become a pass for a career. Look at the Dumaks ’“ pedigree ”- every second is either a communist in the past or a Komsomol leader. And I will argue that the Power was destroyed by the Communists. Note, in defense of the USSR, units came out of the party elite, under the almost unanimous approval of the rest. Not a single party leader had the desire or courage to appeal to the people. Why? We look at the comments above - they shone the palaces in the property.
                1. NordUral
                  NordUral April 7 2020 19: 58 New
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                  What am I talking about, Andrey? The only difference between us is that you call the Communists those who only used the party for a career and the like. For youth, from the same considerations, he wanted to join the party, but, thank God (albeit an atheist) changed his mind.
                  1. AU Ivanov.
                    AU Ivanov. April 7 2020 20: 12 New
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                    I am very sorry for the country. Our ancestors collected it for a thousand years, then with blood. And they destroyed it in 10 years. Yes, the agony began in the early 80s. In 1991 - death. I call Communists the ruling elite in those years.
                    1. NordUral
                      NordUral April 7 2020 20: 21 New
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                      I will not argue, they were called Communists - yes, but many of them have never been. And the decomposition went from the "thaw." well, maybe fate will once again protect Russia. But you need to help her. But how?
                      1. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. April 7 2020 21: 00 New
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                        My opinion is not to be indifferent. Create at least a semblance of civil society. I was active in my Homeowners Association, on a voluntary basis, and so I broke my head on the concrete wall of the majority's indifference. And do not care was in the part that directly relates to their own pockets. Not to mention the interests of the house in which we live. Again, we were lucky - the chairman is a decent energetic person. And everything rests on him. Such a small model of the country. Something like this.
                      2. NordUral
                        NordUral April 7 2020 23: 34 New
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                        I don’t argue, Andrey. The indifference of our population is depressing.
  6. Campanella
    Campanella April 7 2020 15: 42 New
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    At the end of the 80s, our company began to build an automatic plant ...
    Yeltsin put an end to everything ....
  7. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid April 8 2020 06: 59 New
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    Managers immediately realized that they then kirdyk! All nishtyaks and their significance will disappear! Worried. And here the foreign newspaper wrote on ----- "" Glushkov wants to replace the Politburo with a computer. "Like the New York Times.
    Quote: knn54
    The project is a nationwide automated system for accounting and information processing (OGAS).
    Could practically eradicate:
    - deficit, because production, delivery and consumption of goods will be calculated even at the stage of raw material procurement;
    -corruption with postscripts, because all cash flows are monitored and the slightest deviation from the calculations will cause close attention.
    Too many were not interested in implementing this project ....
    These many managers would be out of work, computers could be in the USSR then
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. April 8 2020 09: 36 New
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      At least Kosygin reforms have been fully implemented. But no: they turned. No way, like capitalism. And this was a chance to save the country.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 7 2020 14: 49 New
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    The mighty state and dreams were corresponding, sorry not all realized.
  • NordUral
    NordUral April 7 2020 14: 58 New
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    The Soviet Union was much on large-scale projects. Among them are water reservoirs that swallowed up previously settled territories, hydroelectric power stations that blocked the great rivers, giant coal opencasts, the size of a city, etc.


    There were projects in the Soviet asset that were hindered by the state’s lack of forces, means and technologies. The first in this row is the Crimean bridge. They thought about it even under the king. Under Stalin, they built, but failed. The bridge piers were blown apart by the first ice drift.


    You can also give examples of useful projects for the country, for which there were not enough Soviet forces.


    Looking back, we can state that all three types of unrealized Soviet projects (project-based, unsecured by technologies and necessary means and ahead of time) remain in our history, as attempts to make the country modern, advanced and exemplary for the world. All this to some extent justifies even the most bitter failures of past years and generations.


    Ponder what I have in bold and what the author wanted to say is clearly apparent.
  • Amateur
    Amateur April 7 2020 15: 01 New
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    And the West Siberian oil fields. Samotlor, etc. They that Alekperov opened and arranged. Soviet projects captured during the period of "privatization"
  • Alexander Sosnitsky
    Alexander Sosnitsky April 7 2020 15: 16 New
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    Worshiping Man Is Satanism
  • Campanella
    Campanella April 7 2020 15: 17 New
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    And I like the Palace of the Soviets! If it were my will, I would build it! A symbol of popular power and a mecca for tourists.
  • Free wind
    Free wind April 7 2020 15: 34 New
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    I think that there is nothing for us to do on the Moon and Mars, orbiting satellites can be launched, rovers can be lunar rovers, and it seems to me that the good-for-nothing. Remember what the USSR cost the lunar program, tens of billions of rubles, and the ruble was more expensive than the dollar. What did you get? A dozen photographs of the lunar surface, one hundred grams of lunar soil and dozens of dead and mutilated, the price of someone else's Wishlist. With the same Buranas, the Americans and the Shuttles were twitching, twitching, well, they didn’t need him, there were no tasks for him and it was too expensive compared to conventional launches. Do you really think that we would find use for the Buran or it would come out cheaper with us.
    1. Trapperxnumx
      Trapperxnumx April 7 2020 16: 10 New
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      Allow you to disagree. Programs for the development of other planets are, first of all, the most modern and advanced technologies, these are the latest composite and polymer materials and electronics, this is enthusiasm for the young generation! Yes, the flight of Mars may not bring concrete military or economic benefits, but the very embodiment of these plans greatly promoted the country's science and industry.
    2. Machito
      Machito April 9 2020 18: 12 New
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      Buran and Shuttle - a combat platform for delivering nuclear strikes from space. Have you heard about a dive into the stratosphere of the shuttle over Moscow?
  • Aviator_
    Aviator_ April 7 2020 15: 48 New
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    The project initiators proposed to lay a large shipping channel from the Ob to Uzbekistan. He was supposed to provide water to Uzbek cotton growers and save the Aral Sea. In addition to this channel, it was proposed to reverse the Irtysh. Direct its water to the arid regions of Kazakhstan. A special hydroelectric facility, pumping stations, a canal and a huge reservoir had to provide this venture.

    No reversal of the Irtysh was provided, only the diversion of part of the runoff. And this was partially done - Karaganda is fed from the Irtysh. As for the shipping channel from the Siberian Ob, it is also a fake. It was planned to send part of the flow of northern rivers to the arid regions. Then not only Kazakhstan, but also the Orenburg region would become a zone of irrigated agriculture with crops no lower than the Kuban ones.
  • Trapperxnumx
    Trapperxnumx April 7 2020 15: 51 New
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    You can grieve over these and other military projects, ahead of their time and not implemented.

    It’s about the palace of councils or the turning of the rivers that makes me sad at all
  • regdan
    regdan April 7 2020 15: 56 New
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    Modern officials look sadly at these great projects. This is how much you can steal ...
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. April 7 2020 16: 33 New
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      Then they didn’t steal, then they simply buried money in the ground with their mismanagement and negligence. In post-Stalinist times, naturally. BAM also cost us much more than the project cost. So, what about the owl, that we kick about the owl - the result is one: the money was crying.
  • Free wind
    Free wind April 7 2020 16: 09 New
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    Regarding the tunnel on Sakhalin Island. Sakhalin is rather seismically active, in 1952 there was an earthquake, maybe that's why the construction was closed. In 1995, in May there was a severe earthquake in Sakhalin, the village of Neftegorsk, thousands of victims, was wiped off the face of the earth.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. April 7 2020 16: 16 New
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      The Japanese are building tunnels, despite the high seismic activity. The tunnel between Honshu and Hokkaido is 53 km long. Our Severomuisky is also in an unfavorable area.
      1. Free wind
        Free wind April 7 2020 17: 01 New
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        Construction technology has changed since 1953. Thousands and thousands of studies and experiments have been carried out. And no one gives a guarantee of 100%, can withstand 6 points, and then who knows.
  • Azis
    Azis April 7 2020 16: 14 New
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    Crimean success persuaded the Russian government to build a bridge from the mainland to Sakhalin instead of a tunnel.
    If you build a tunnel that smoothly passes into the bridge (or vice versa), the success of one of the Heroes of Labor of Russia may be even greater
  • parusnik
    parusnik April 7 2020 16: 30 New
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    The bridge piers were blown apart by the first ice drift.
    .... Then the weather was different from the Taman Peninsula to the Crimean Peninsula along the frozen Kerch Strait quietly drove motor caravans all winter. And there were some snowfalls, according to the memories of the mother, the neighbors dug them up, brought them down the very pipe ... After the demolition of the bridge, and punish They didn’t argue against nature ... In the 2000s, the ports of Temryuk and the Caucasus are considered not freezing. The reason is simple The Sea of ​​Azov began to “salt out.” The drain from the Don and Kuban was reduced, and dredging work was stopped. Strabo (I century A.D.) reports on the events of the I century. BC e.: the ice cover at the mouth of the Lake of Meotia (Sea of ​​Azov, i.e., in the Strait of Kerch) is so strong that in this Strait Neoptolem, the commander Mithridates (Eupator) defeated the barbarians in the winter, fighting on ice. In the summer of 6576 (1068) indicator 6 Gleb, the prince measured the sea on ice from Tymutorokan to Karchev. 14000 fathoms. The inscription of Gleb is carved on a plate of ancient origin. In the middle of the XVII century. The Tatar Khan Islam Giray III made a trip to the Circassians and to the mountains on the ice of the Kerch Strait. The last time, the Sea of ​​Azov and the Kerch Strait froze in 2002 and 2008 for two weeks at the end of February. True, there were snowfalls and frosts ...
  • Free wind
    Free wind April 7 2020 16: 43 New
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    I remember there were large-scale, thoughtless implemented projects, for example, a dam across the KARA-BOGAZ-GOL Strait was built in 1980, someone decided that the Caspian was becoming shallow because of this bay, they had built, the level of the Caspian began to rise, and so the coastal villages began to sink. Even Iran was indignant. As a result, in 84, the dam was blown up. Perhaps the project "Taiga" from the same opera.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 April 7 2020 18: 44 New
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    At the very beginning, the author writes about hydroelectric power stations that have swallowed meadows and villages, about coal opencasts. And at the same time he starts to cry over the dead. And what are all these structures now superfluous? But we could definitely do without Disneyland in Moscow. If you list those objects that were built during the USSR, and now they are used by a handful of owners, there will be more than one page. A desire to surprise the world affects all countries. So it was, and it will be so. Only no need to talk about what was useful in the former state was less than ostentatious.
  • Old26
    Old26 April 7 2020 21: 56 New
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    Quote: tihonmarine
    It is unfortunate that they did not build it. This monument would be the personification of the era. And there is no monument and the era, too, sorry.

    May be. The construction, no doubt, is magnificent, but ... But this gigantic structure would be an excellent guide during the war. In our city, after the expulsion of the invaders, the bell tower of the cathedral was blown up, because believed that a magnificent landmark ...
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov April 8 2020 07: 27 New
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    What a blessing that the tsarist government sold Alaska!