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The final diagnosis?

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I must immediately warn readers who may be wasting their time reading this publication. The author does not offer answers to numerous questions related to the coronavirus; on the contrary, it formulates questions that I would like to receive answers to.


The answers without which it is impossible to objectively assess the situation with the “pandemic”. We are talking about the quality of statistical information distributed by officials, authorities and the media, and the terminology that they constantly use.

It was in January


Suppose, such a "simple" question: how many people in Russia are infected with COVID-19? The official government portal "Stopkoronavirus.rf" provides operational data on "cases of disease", including per day. But what exactly is meant by "sick"? And this is an extremely important point that needs to be clarified.

The final diagnosis?

Let’s take the standard text of an informational message with which the media space is now full:

“Coronavirus was confirmed in 45 people in the suburbs. Over the past day in the suburbs recorded 45 cases of infection with coronavirus. In total, doctors help 305 patients recover. “Over the past day, 45 new cases of coronavirus infection have been identified ... - reports Mosoblstab.”

Is “fixed”, “revealed” and “confirmed” - is it the same or not at all?

In January, the Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation developed the Interim Guidelines “Prevention, Diagnosis and Treatment of a New Coronavirus Infection (2019-nCoV)”. According to this document, the statuses “suspected case of infection”, “probable case of infection” and “confirmed case of infection” are introduced.

In this case, the diagnosis is confirmed not by testing, but with the help of a laboratory study. The patient undergoes PCR diagnostics (polymerase chain reaction) of the taken biological material. To get the result in this case, it will take from several hours to two days.

It was logical to assume that all kinds of “pandemic headquarters” would use the classification proposed by the Ministry of Health and categorize potential victims of COVID-19 into three groups, but they would arbitrarily operate on some vague definitions. Hence another question: is it terminological sloppiness or conscious brain dusting?

In any of the options described in the Temporary Recommendations, the person is subject to hospitalization. What happens next? On March 31, Denis Protsenko, chief physician of the Infectious Diseases Hospital in Kommunarka, said that 314 people were being treated at the medical facility, including 59 with confirmed and 127 with a probable diagnosis of coronavirus infection, with a diagnosis of pneumonia being made to 202 patients.

As you can see, even the doctors of the head specialized clinic need time to confirm the diagnosis of coronavirus in their patients. However, all patients with pneumonia who have come under the supervision of infectious disease specialists have obviously already fallen into the frightening statistics of “infected with coronavirus”.

But if the official data on the “infected” provide at least an approximate idea of ​​the scale of the “pandemic” and the dynamics of the spread of the virus, then when it comes to dead citizens, we enter the realm of perfect puzzles. The same site, Stopkoronavirus.rf, tells us how many "people died" in Russia. And this killer wording, or, as they said at party meetings, the wording — the variations “died from the coronavirus” or “due to the coronavirus” - is repeated thousands of times by parrots from the television box and other (second-rate) sources.

Media that thoughtlessly replicates everything that comes from the WHO or the Koch Institute, but try to maintain a reputation for quality, are expressed slightly differently. Here is a typical headline for a federal news agency: "Three more patients with a positive coronavirus test died in Moscow." By the way, for reference: in the capital, on average, more than 300 residents die on a daily basis.

The information seems to be presented very correctly: in a day in Moscow, three people really died and they actually passed the test for COVID-19, which gave a positive result. However, with all the correctness, this message is completely empty.


Firstly, as we already know, a positive test is not an official confirmation of infection. And secondly, nothing is said about the causes of deaths, which may be completely unrelated to the notorious “pandemic”. Moreover, almost all the dead had a whole bunch of diseases.

Mortality is normal?


So, it’s not the fact that the death of these Muscovites was caused by a virus, and not even the fact that they really had a virus, and in the end it turns out that the respected media is doing what? Is it not the spread of fakes?

In this regard, the specificity of COVID-19, such as its increased danger for the elderly, is noteworthy, which is usually explained by a weakened immune system. However, any virus uses "holes" in the immune system, and it is not clear why this particular one should be the exception.


In addition, the decrease in the body's immune defense is “all ages submissive,” and this condition can be caused by a variety of factors. Is there a simpler explanation for the selectivity of the virus and the high proportion of pensioners among its victims? It consists in the fact that the elderly die more often than the young ...

Meanwhile, all perplexities of this kind associated with the lethality of COVID-19 are quite easily removed. After each death, a so-called post-mortem epicrisis is made, where the cause and circumstances of the lethal outcome are indicated and a detailed clinical post-mortem diagnosis is given.

However, information on such diagnoses is not available. Suppose doctors are reinsured and do not disclose these data, because they are 100% not sure of the correctness of their conclusions. Indeed, only the pathoanatomical study can determine the final cause of death. And what's the problem?

According to the instructions of the Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation, pathoanatomical studies in relation to the dead with a diagnosis of coronavirus are carried out without fail. So, there are already several dozen of such conclusions, why, then, do not want to make them public? Most likely, if the results of the autopsies indicated a direct relationship of deaths with COVID-19, this would have been trumpeted into all the pipes.

And here another interesting question arises: are there really objectively confirmed cases of “death from a coronavirus”, or even those insignificant mortality rates (1% - 3%) that are mentioned in our press, are just a product of the information bubble?

And in the end the main question is: do the Russian authorities, who are planning emergency measures to combat the pandemic, come from distorted (to put it mildly) data, or do they still have objective information that they for some reason do not want to share with the public?

I don’t know which answer is “better” ...
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  1. Mihail55
    Mihail55 April 9 2020 05: 19 New
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    This misfortune is finally approved as the cause of all our troubles - a recession in the economy, poverty of fellow citizens, an impossible task for officials, etc. fools and roads !!!! How on time!
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee April 9 2020 05: 39 New
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      Quote: Michael55
      How on time!

      In time, the virus turned up! From him and all the troubles: poverty, roads, etc.
      1. Vladimir B.
        Vladimir B. April 9 2020 16: 17 New
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        Quote: Uncle Lee
        In time, the virus turned up! From him and all the troubles: poverty, roads, etc.

        Interestingly, before the virus, who or what was to blame? what
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee April 10 2020 02: 11 New
          +1
          Quote: Vladimir B.
          who or what

          The answer has long been known: dupaki and roads!
        2. Jager
          Jager April 13 2020 17: 09 New
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          evil Americans, the "collapse" of the 90s, the collapse of the USSR, the crooked management of the late USSR, the fall in oil prices, the increase in oil prices, the world crisis, bird / swine flu, Ukraine - anything but the great "strategists and guarantors" themselves.
    2. Baloo
      Baloo April 9 2020 05: 40 New
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      Quote: Michael55
      This misfortune is finally approved as the cause of all our troubles - a recession in the economy, poverty of fellow citizens, an impossible task for officials, etc. fools and roads !!!! How on time!

      The truth of life is that the peak is not passed, preventive measures have worked. It gets warmer, then the situation may change. And the author apparently wrote for the magazine "Diletant", but they did not accept the popus there.
      1. Maki Avellevich
        Maki Avellevich April 9 2020 07: 33 New
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        Quote: Balu
        The truth of life is that the peak is not passed, preventive measures have worked. It gets warmer, then the situation may change. And the author apparently wrote for the magazine "Diletant", but they did not accept the popus there.

        about warmer.
        in Israel, we too had high hopes for warming.
        unfortunately, no apparent correlation between heat and a decrease in the rate of distribution is yet to be seen.
        the last two weeks approximately, temperatures rose to 20+ in the afternoon (there were a couple of days 30+)
        humidity also dropped, from a minimum of 30% to 55%.

        it's about unpleasant. and we’ll break through as a whole!

        I congratulate you on the upcoming holiday Passover (holiday of freedom and spring)
        on behalf of the people of Israel.
        Happiness and health!
        1. major147
          major147 April 9 2020 09: 25 New
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          Quote: Maki Avellievich
          I congratulate you on the upcoming holiday Passover (holiday of freedom and spring)
          on behalf of the people of Israel.
          Happiness and health!

          Happy holiday to you too! Do not be ill!
        2. alstr
          alstr April 9 2020 10: 39 New
          +7
          Unfortunately, as the Spanish experience shows, summer is not a panacea. The first wave of the Spanish woman ended in August, and the second began in September.
          Yes, heat delays spread, but is not absolute. Most likely the fact is that simply with an increase in temperature the virus becomes less tenacious outside the infected organism.
          but if an infected person encounters an uninfected person, then it’s a very big chance that a healthy person will get infected.
      2. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara April 9 2020 09: 37 New
        +3
        Quote: Balu
        Quote: Michael55
        This misfortune is finally approved as the cause of all our troubles - a recession in the economy, poverty of fellow citizens, an impossible task for officials, etc. fools and roads !!!! How on time!

        The truth of life is that the peak is not passed, preventive measures have worked. It gets warmer, then the situation may change. And the author apparently wrote for the magazine "Diletant", but they did not accept the popus there.

        About the amateur, you rightly noticed that. The author is floating in the subject, and that people are pushing to write such articles ... PCR does not have false positive answers, they either found DNA or not, if the answer is yes, then there was viral DNA in the sample, this is not ELISA ... Express tests are everywhere, they are sent to Vector for confirmation, statistics available to us are from the vector, it is several days behind. And, what kind of vague thoughts about the causes of death, if you died due to raised kidneys with a positive diagnosis of covid 19, but before that you lived with chronic kidney disease for 5 years, then you died from the crown, and not from sick kidneys. Well, the global statistics of detail is somewhere around 6%, in Italy it’s all 12.
      3. Malyuta
        Malyuta April 9 2020 10: 57 New
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        Quote: Balu
        It gets warmer, then the situation may change.

        When it gets warmer, then ticks will come out and this will become a new terrible challenge for our government, there is no time for buildup.
        1. O. Bender
          O. Bender April 9 2020 19: 57 New
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          Offset! Subtly and in the subject. I missed the perfume!
      4. New Year day
        New Year day April 9 2020 11: 47 New
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        Quote: Balu
        preventive measures worked

        what are these measures?
        In January, there was not a single case in Germany, but the Germans began to develop tests for testing COVID-19. By mid-February, all laboratories across the country had systems to quickly perform analyzes.
        Tests allowed the Germans to detect the presence of the virus in those who do not have any symptoms - this is 60-70% of those infected. They were isolated. Every week, 350 thousand people are now testing in Germany.
        In Germany, the mortality rate from COVID-19 is 1,4%
        About 600 thousand people were tested in Russia. Tests began in March, at the beginning of the epidemic.
        The population of Germany is 81 million people, Russia - 143 million.
        I’ve been waiting for my analysis for 3 days already. Where is the express in 2 hours?
        1. Baloo
          Baloo April 9 2020 11: 50 New
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          Quote: Silvestr
          I’ve been waiting for my analysis for 3 days already. Where is the express in 2 hours?

          Your policy has a magic number, call.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day April 9 2020 17: 10 New
            +7
            Quote: Balu
            Your policy has a magic number, call.

            EMIAS must be looked at; no one gives answers to the phone; do you not know?
            1. Baloo
              Baloo April 9 2020 17: 28 New
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              Quote: Silvestr
              Quote: Balu
              Your policy has a magic number, call.

              EMIAS must be looked at; no one gives answers to the phone; do you not know?

              I’m not talking about this, I’m about your right to state dissatisfaction with the quality of medical care. At us, insurers react very nervously and tease health care facilities. I’ll venture to suggest that you will very quickly be called back by the deputy on KEP from the health care facilities and will be interested in your problem.
              1. New Year day
                New Year day April 9 2020 21: 13 New
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                Quote: Balu
                I am about your right to state dissatisfaction with the quality of medical care.

                respected! There are so many tests in Moscow that you need to enter the laboratory position.
        2. Baloo
          Baloo April 9 2020 17: 38 New
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          Quote: Silvestr
          In Germany, the mortality rate from COVID-19 is 1,4%
          About 600 thousand people were tested in Russia. Tests began in March, at the beginning of the epidemic.


          Tatarstan: 50 cases are registered today, of which 9 are today.
        3. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 April 10 2020 23: 41 New
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          Russia 146 million
        4. Vladimir Kiev
          Vladimir Kiev April 14 2020 21: 25 New
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          Fiercely plus!
          1. Vladimir Kiev
            Vladimir Kiev April 14 2020 21: 26 New
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            to the original post

            what are these measures?
            In January, there was not a single case in Germany, but the Germans began to develop tests for testing COVID-19. By mid-February, all laboratories across the country had systems to quickly perform analyzes.
            Tests allowed the Germans to detect the presence of the virus in those who do not have any symptoms - this is 60-70% of those infected. They were isolated. Every week, 350 thousand people are now testing in Germany.
            In Germany, the mortality rate from COVID-19 is 1,4%
            About 600 thousand people were tested in Russia. Tests began in March, at the beginning of the epidemic.
            The population of Germany is 81 million people, Russia - 143 million.
            I’ve been waiting for my analysis for 3 days already. Where is the express in 2 hours?
    3. Evdokim
      Evdokim April 9 2020 05: 43 New
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      I consider the rally open. The word is provided .... wassat
      1. depressant
        depressant April 9 2020 06: 02 New
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        Well, let me give you the floor, Evdokim.
        Coronavirus - medical diagnosis, chronic recession - political and economic. Similarity - money is charged for both diagnoses. Test for coronavirus - 1200 rubles, but voluntarily. The increase in gas prices "only" by 3%, but compulsory.
        1. Evdokim
          Evdokim April 9 2020 06: 12 New
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          Quote: depressant
          Well let's give me the floor

          Perfectly. From your speech it is clear that you are annoyed by prices, gas and tests?
          And what is the way out of this situation?
          Conclusions like Putin on the soap, to shoot everyone, are not accepted. hi
          1. Snail N9
            Snail N9 April 9 2020 06: 47 New
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            Vaughn Nadezhda Babkina is in a coma with bilateral pneumonia, is connected to a ventilator, despite the fact that she has not been diagnosed with coronavirus. In my house, according to neighbors, two people died last year from complications from the flu - and all the same pneumonia - one elderly woman and a girl 5 years old. That's what they actually died of? -According to the diagnosis, they had some kind of "fast-flowing pneumonia" - a complication after the flu, and who tested for coronavirus last year? Nobody! And by the way, last year, during the "flu" epidemic, the floor of our house was ill, everyone complained that someone in their families was sick. My family was so ill, and my daughter and wife got exactly this very complication - pneumonia, my wife was very serious - it ended with phlebose. Now, in theory, since such a serious epidemic, the house should already be sick with this muck, but no one is sick of the type of "seasonal" flu, there are acute respiratory infections and acute respiratory viral infections, but there are no patients with the corona, at least as seriously as in no one is sick last year. And another thing is curious, I asked those who have patients in the family like the "flu" they did an analysis for the corona? all answer that they did not, the doctor came, diagnosed the flu and that's it. sad .
            1. Pike
              Pike April 9 2020 07: 23 New
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              Yes, a strong epidemic of flu was raging in China this winter along with coronavirus. But! According to statistics, in March in the USA, 34 million people died from the flu, having had 16 million deaths. The same 16 thousand deaths are now being selected in the USA for 450 thousand patients with COVID-19. Is the difference noticeable?
            2. awdrgy
              awdrgy April 9 2020 08: 05 New
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              By the way, yes, that year the horses were ill with such rubbish, the horses thought we’d move, and all with complications really wasn’t easy, but where it was thin, it was torn and others heard that it’s the same tops But we are poor, we don’t go anywhere, we don’t live in the regional center close
              1. major147
                major147 April 9 2020 09: 29 New
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                Quote: awdrgy
                By the way, yes, that year they got such rubbish

                For a couple, my wife got sick. Coughing so that the shirt wrapped up! They injected antibiotics to each other.
            3. antique
              antique April 9 2020 08: 10 New
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              Quote: Snail N9
              There Nadezhda Babkina in a coma with bilateral pneumonia, is connected to mechanical ventilation despite the fact that she does not have a coronovirus.

              PCR diagnostics are inaccurate. 20% is a laboratory error. It is necessary to determine specific antibodies in blood plasma. But we have almost no such tests.
              1. Snail N9
                Snail N9 April 9 2020 08: 28 New
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                If we talk about the "final diagnosis", then here is the "diagnosis" that must be made in this case (taken from the YAP):
                Spokesman for the Russian President Dmitry Peskov said that he bought a “virus blocker” in the form of a badge that can be worn on a jacket, reports TASS.

                “I bought it myself at the pharmacy,” said Peskov, answering the question, is it now recommended that all employees of the presidential administration wear such badges.

                The fact that the press secretary of the President of Russia acquired the “virus blocker,” drew the attention of the publication Life.ru. Journalists spotted a blocker on Peskov’s jacket during a broadcast of a meeting of the President of Russia with the governors, which was held in a video conference format.

                On the frame selected by Life.ru, the Air Doctor brand badge is visible. The manufacturer’s website reports that it is a “Japanese-quality” virus blocker that works against influenza and the common cold. The company claims that it is able to cope with infections better than conventional disinfectants due to the presence of solid chlorine dioxide in the composition. The cost of a badge is from 1750 rubles.
                News with excellent IQ for buyers of similar products.
                I’m not even going to dwell on the mechanics of the operation of such a blocker (which simply does not exist) and I won’t also mention the principle of transmission of infections and I won’t say that the appearance of the blocker and its location on clothes will in any way frighten or scare the virus away from a potential the recipient.
                I’ll just take an excerpt from Wikipedia about the main active ingredient of this blocker - chlorine dioxide.

                Chlorine dioxide - an inorganic chemical compound of chlorine and oxygen, formula: ClO2
                Chlorine dioxide is toxic. Strong oxidizing agent. Causes mucous membranes and coughing. MPC in the air of the working zone 0,1 mg / m3

                This is what you need to be sandy to get into a whole Japanese blocker!
                It’s just a shame that then with these hands these heads think of laws and rule the country.

                https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5e8e0f929a79474439ce9325
                1. awdrgy
                  awdrgy April 9 2020 08: 42 New
                  +2
                  It’s necessary to take it apart and see what’s inside (Japanese, they’re tricky), maybe there is a radiator and a chlorine-like cover there. I think that it’s just a pharmacy that really will be garbage, but the one on Peskov’s jacket would be nice to make out
                2. Baloo
                  Baloo April 9 2020 10: 13 New
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                  Quote: Snail N9
                  This is what you need to be sandy to get into a whole Japanese blocker!

                  Quote: Snail N9
                  News with excellent IQ for buyers of similar products.

                  Beria would have suspected the character of having links with imperialist Japanese intelligence and a conspiracy to poison the very human humanity with chlorine.
                  1. awdrgy
                    awdrgy April 9 2020 16: 01 New
                    +2
                    Who knows? Beria he did not dk was far from dk
            4. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 April 9 2020 09: 34 New
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              Quote: Snail N9
              My family was so sick

              I’ve been dying for more than a month after I got sick. And exactly a year ago there was something similar.
            5. New Year day
              New Year day April 9 2020 17: 12 New
              +8
              Quote: Snail N9
              Won Nadezhda Babkina in a coma with bilateral pneumonia, is connected to mechanical ventilation despite the fact that she does not have a coronovirus

              DZ Moscow admitted that the reliability of the "Vector" tests is 70-80%. Diagnosis is by chest CT scan. That's it request
              Purchased test systems in Japan - 95% confidence
            6. sharp-lad
              sharp-lad April 10 2020 23: 06 New
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              Dear, what is phlebosis? Google does not know.
          2. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 April 9 2020 09: 32 New
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            Quote: Evdokim
            Putin on the soap

            Better to retire.
            1. polar fox
              polar fox April 9 2020 11: 21 New
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              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Better to retire.

              on average, across the country.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 April 9 2020 13: 47 New
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                Quote: polar fox
                on average, across the country.

                Cruel. bully
          3. depressant
            depressant April 9 2020 10: 03 New
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            Evdokim, if you carefully read my posts on all the previous topics, you would be surprised to find that I never heard "Putin - go away!" Harsh criticism - yes, for soap - no. Because he is the president-elect. On my part, there was only a demand to fulfill presidential duties in the interests of all our wonderful people, and not only, albeit a small, but very foul-smelling oligarchic handful. Doesn't lean on those! Even the corrupt West can no longer withstand the corruption stench from "our" oligarchs - they have surpassed it!
        2. sen
          sen April 9 2020 09: 13 New
          +9
          There was a TV plot about Wuhan. So they have a free coronavirus test on the slightest suspicion. And everyone is sure to do CT scan for "frosted glass" in the lungs. In China, there are almost no stationary X-ray machines, only CT and MRI. They found that treatment with Favipiravir is effective if it is used at the beginning of the disease, and not in the advanced form. I read reviews for our drug Triazavirin with its effect on influenza. The same story - it only helps very early on.
          1. major147
            major147 April 9 2020 09: 31 New
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            Quote: sen
            So they have a coronavirus test for free

            In Russia, too, is free.
          2. awdrgy
            awdrgy April 9 2020 09: 48 New
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            After favipiravir, the bag will be empty although if you have already done so, you can)
        3. New Year day
          New Year day April 9 2020 11: 47 New
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          Quote: depressant
          Test for coronavirus - 1200 rubles, but voluntarily.

          and the Germans do everything for free request
      2. Baloo
        Baloo April 9 2020 08: 43 New
        +2
        Quote: Evdokim
        I consider the rally open. The word is provided .... wassat

      3. Baloo
        Baloo April 9 2020 08: 52 New
        +3
        Quote: Evdokim
        I consider the rally open. The word is provided .... wassat

        Japanese scientists:
        Of the 104 people who became infected with COVID-19 on the ship, 76 were asymptomatic. Moreover, in most of these patients (41 people), changes were found in the lungs - the “frosted glass" effect.
        Thus, Japanese scientists came to the conclusion that even in the asymptomatic course of COVID-19, the lungs of the patient are harmed.
        Those. the insidiousness of the new crown and the long-lasting consequences. They will then be treated for a long time with a diagnosis of Nonspecific Interstitial Pulmonary Disease.
        1. rudolff
          rudolff April 9 2020 09: 11 New
          +3
          So many of the IBLs can at least be treated. And scar tissue with fibrosis, if only removed, is not treated conservatively.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day April 9 2020 11: 49 New
            +4
            Quote: rudolff
            A scar tissue with fibrosis, if only removed

            it's impossible.
            1. rudolff
              rudolff April 9 2020 17: 40 New
              +1
              Why? Resection of a part of the lung.
              1. New Year day
                New Year day April 9 2020 21: 12 New
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                Quote: rudolff
                Why? Resection of a part of the lung.

                local fibrosis is extremely rare and then, the risk of surgery and the field operation period after lobectomy does not justify the existing morphological ischemia. as a rule, lobectomy ends with aseptic pleurisy with fixation of the remaining lung to the parietal pleura. The game is not worth the candle request
      4. Vladimir B.
        Vladimir B. April 9 2020 16: 18 New
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        Quote: Evdokim
        I consider the rally open.

        Capitalism is guilty of the triumphal procession of the coronavirus around the planet! yes
        Under the coronavirus, you can sell all the goods at a speculative price. You can inflate the prices of basic necessities.
    4. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 9 2020 08: 59 New
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      Quote: Michael55
      recession in the economy, poverty of fellow citizens, an impossible task for officials, etc. fools and roads !!!!

      Are you talking about America?
      So it’s like they
      3 hours ago, source: RIA Novosti
      In the United States, a new anti-record on the number of deaths from COVID-19
      WASHINGTON, Apr 9 - RIA News. The number of coronavirus victims in the United States over the past day amounted to 1965 people, which is a new anti-record, follows from the data of Johns Hopkins University at 21.30 local time (4.30 Moscow time).
      1. major147
        major147 April 9 2020 09: 34 New
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        Why are there so many virologists on VO !? request After all, normal politicians were the same! belay
      2. Baloo
        Baloo April 9 2020 10: 14 New
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        Quote: Lipchanin
        Are you talking about America?
        So it’s like they

        most of the dead are black people.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin April 9 2020 10: 20 New
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          Quote: Balu
          most of the dead are black people.

          Yes, even green.
          I answered that
          recession in the economy, poverty of fellow citizens, an impossible task for officials, etc. fools and roads !!!!
    5. antivirus
      antivirus April 9 2020 09: 03 New
      +4
      u will be in openwork - who are destined to die, and to whom, on the contrary, they will be happy.
      the loot will defeat the disease.
      and we will live separately from victory.
      and these concepts do not overlap and do not converge.
    6. sinoptic
      sinoptic April 9 2020 16: 55 New
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      In addition to the article - statistics are a crafty thing!
      Want to know the real mortality from coronavirus? ... the one they will tell us when it's over.
      It is necessary to correlate the number of deaths with the number of recovered, not infected. And then it is clear why everything is serious. Currently, mortality in Russia is about 10%, worldwide> 20% - and this is serious. But this is for now and this is the present moment.
      Ill people are still in dynamics: they have not recovered and have not died. Well, there, at the end of the epidemic, they all will either get better or die.
      So if you want to know the picture now, in a slice, slightly change the calculation method.
      Yes, and yet, all these indicators at the moment. However, the current situation is constantly changing, medicines are being prepared, tests are being prepared, doctors are improving the treatment methodology. So we can assume that the mortality figures will be more modest.
    7. flicker
      flicker April 9 2020 21: 59 New
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      And you are operational, 5:10 article, and 5:19 your answer.
      Oh, I would have such speed bully
      Z.Y. And why is the photo in an article from Ukraine, is there just a coronavirus?
  2. Thrifty
    Thrifty April 9 2020 05: 21 New
    +1
    I didn’t understand the author, do they lie saying that few people died from the coronovirus, or do they lie with us, saying that we have people who die from the coronovirus? ?? belay What is the meaning of the article?
    1. mole
      mole April 9 2020 05: 31 New
      +1
      I don’t get it either. I read it two times. The third decided not to read.
      1. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 April 9 2020 05: 42 New
        +4
        The man puzzled himself with the thought, like many, the coronavirus is or is it a conspiracy you know who. smile
        1. novel66
          novel66 April 9 2020 09: 50 New
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          but it’s not clear who, specifically, the conspiracy?
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan April 9 2020 11: 15 New
            +3
            But what a conspiracy is there, they have done things without conspiracy. It's just that the mess is everywhere and not only in medicine, but in another way, if not professionals and not specialists everywhere, in all leading positions, we recall the most striking ones: Medvedev, Chubais, Mutko, Rogozin, Serdyukov and there are a lot of them.
        2. Vladimir B.
          Vladimir B. April 9 2020 16: 19 New
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          Quote: Pessimist22
          coronavirus is

          there is. This fact cannot be denied. the epidemic is real.
          Quote: Pessimist22
          or is it a conspiracy

          most likely just certain forces took advantage of the epidemic
    2. makarick
      makarick April 9 2020 05: 39 New
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      The meaning is simple. Hysteria is pumping with this virus. But there is no clear analysis, as well as no information. Everything is written off to the virus.
      1. Vladimir B.
        Vladimir B. April 9 2020 16: 20 New
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        Quote: makarick
        Everything is written off to the virus.

        it’s the easiest to write off everything to a virus.
    3. Far B
      Far B April 9 2020 05: 41 New
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      In fact, the message is that it "got sick" and it was revealed "- absolutely different things. We, in Russia, have few identified. Like, everything is under the control of I.p. But here, in Russia, the least number of tests has been carried out. per capita in Europe Welcome to a brave new world.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 April 9 2020 05: 57 New
        +3
        Do you really need to know this? I'm sorry that I went through your question. he’s just the most correct. Why do average people need medical statistics? we need the results and forecasts voiced as accessible as possible. and physicians and specialists close to them should do their job in this topic. the more we climb into the jungle of what we don’t understand, the more we get confused ourselves and confuse others. IMHO.
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          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 April 9 2020 07: 43 New
            -4
            I didn’t say that. I have a wife, a doctor. she is in it like a fish in water. I am a manager. I don’t understand anything about this. but let's say it’s much easier to perceive information that is understandable and simple in an area in which I do not understand. but to ask questions like what is doing there I should not in principle. I need a dry residue that I understand .. as for the idolatry ideology, you follow what you write or I will start talking about yours. I was extremely polite and do not tolerate rudeness!
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    5. savage1976
      savage1976 April 9 2020 06: 25 New
      +6
      They die first of all from life. None of the living have yet escaped this fate. Someone helped a car, someone a kitchen knife, someone else something. Everyone dies and everyone has his own reason. But everyone lived and died only because they lived.))))))
      1. Evdokim
        Evdokim April 9 2020 06: 35 New
        +3
        Quote: savage1976
        They die first of all from life.

        I agree with you. Life itself is a very harmful thing, they die from it. It is like alcohol or cigarettes, the longer you smoke, drink or live, the faster you lie in the coffin, even if you have nothing to do with it. hi
      2. Sklendarka
        Sklendarka April 9 2020 07: 33 New
        +6
        Quote: savage1976
        They die first of all from life. None of the living have yet escaped this fate. Someone helped a car, someone a kitchen knife, someone else something. Everyone dies and everyone has his own reason. But everyone lived and died only because they lived.))))))

        ,, ... life is like a fatal sexually transmitted disease ... ''
    6. Pashhenko Nikolay
      Pashhenko Nikolay April 9 2020 07: 17 New
      +8
      The point is that we lie so often that you don’t understand where they lie and where they don’t lie.)
    7. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 April 9 2020 09: 29 New
      +1
      Quote: Thrifty
      I didn’t understand the author, do they lie saying that few people died from the coronovirus, or do they lie with us, saying that we have people who die from the coronovirus? ?? belay What is the meaning of the article?

      The point is that since the middle of last year, the country has been infected with coronavirus, that is, with the usual new strain of ordinary flu. However, it was decided to create hysteria, to begin the destruction of an entire sector of the economy, and of course to arrange a grand cut, of course, which we are now doing.
      However, all this Panama is not confirmed by the real picture of mortality and morbidity, the data is absolutely inconclusive. Therefore, our domineering preachers of the coronavirus are taking it by the throat, whipping up fear with tendentious presentation of information and outright nonsense.
      So clearer?
    8. New Year day
      New Year day April 9 2020 11: 50 New
      11
      Quote: Thrifty
      do they lie about saying that few people died from the coronovirus, or do they lie with us, saying that we have people generally dying from the coronovirus? ??

      we just lie in everything
      1. flicker
        flicker April 9 2020 22: 06 New
        -1
        we just lie in everything
        Are you a doctor?
    9. flicker
      flicker April 9 2020 22: 03 New
      0
      What is the meaning of the article?
      I don’t get it either.
      Here, the geldings already have 500000 thousand infected, more than 16000 people have died.
      And that these figures cannot be trusted?
      Or is it too small or too much?
      1. New Year day
        New Year day April 9 2020 22: 36 New
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        Quote: flicker
        And that these figures cannot be trusted?
        Or is it too small or too much?

        It's simple.
        take as a basis the numbers off. data:
        Germany is testing 350 thousand weekly January of this year
        Germany: fell ill 113296 died 2349 mortality 2.07%
        Russia has tested 630 thousand people since March
        Russia: fell ill 10131 died 76 mortality 0,75%
        The average European mortality is 7-8%.
        Taking into account the past "optimization", which led to the reduction of beds and doctors, the estimated GDP as a catastrophe and this is so, the effectiveness of Russian health care is many times higher than the effectiveness of German! In principle, this cannot be.
        The options are:
        1. game with statistics
        2. the mass of patients on the legs tolerates and is not covered by testing
        3. the reliability of the test systems themselves - Novosibirsk "Vector" gives 20-30% of both false positive and false negative results, those. in fact, in 1/3 of cases, the diagnosis is not accurate.
        The Germans, the British. Japanese and Koreans, this figure is 95%.
        4. we did not enter the peak and at the peak the indicator will be reliable and correspond to the average for Europe +/- (without interfering with the statistics)
        That's it. hi
  3. Baloo
    Baloo April 9 2020 05: 37 New
    -3
    The author is a specialist? sad
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      1. depressant
        depressant April 9 2020 07: 16 New
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        Colleagues, do not rush to condemn the Author, for he is at a loss. The population is the same. Every day, according to statistics, the number of deaths from coronavirus is increasing, but slowly. One reason is that tests are not done to all potentially infected ones. Only those who went to the hospital, and even when it is clear what it looks like: coughing, the patient is panting breathlessly, extremely intensive therapy, mechanical ventilation is needed. These are the statistics that are added up: so many have died, so many have recovered.
        And if you can breathe, then okay, you will interrupt, you are not a coronavirus, since the test (and you have to do two of them) is a long time, a lot of fuss, expensive, sometimes unavailable. Such a "capable" is treated for a simple pneumonia, discharged, but he actually has a crown, he is an extruded carrier. Just in case, it is advised to self-isolate for a while. He will not be included in the statistics of those who have recovered from the crown. As in the statistics of cases. He will go to infect us.
        That's why statistics are lying about the extent of infection. And it can be manipulated: this one died from the crown, and this one from ... the crown, but let it be from the heart, because he really has a sore throat!
        Besides, you thought, sneezed, and then you went to the hospital with a check for coronavirus? This still needs to be achieved - a depressing state of the lungs.

        According to statistics in Yandex, the virus is approaching my village, but the village is too small to be included in the reporting. And the population could not stand it. Yesterday ZhEK worked to its fullest, the streets were cleaned and watered, people everywhere - by the ramparts, no one keeps a distance of 2 meters, walk arm and arm, long talk close to each other, ride bicycles, go on a visit with children in the evening - crowds of youth, laughter.
        And the whole story here is with us - to die, so with the music (suddenly thundered in several apartments, as well as from cars). Anger and despair seem to be an effective means of revitalization.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day April 9 2020 11: 51 New
          +6
          Quote: depressant
          Colleagues, do not rush to condemn the Author, for he is at a loss.

          and if at a loss, just keep quiet! am Study materials
    2. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 April 9 2020 06: 19 New
      -3
      The author is a specialist?
      Apparently from those who, no matter what happens, loudly shouts: "I do not believe!" The article duplicates the Russian liberal media and, what is worse, the Western ones, which, against the background of their "successes", suddenly shouted in chorus that Russia is lying and does not provide reliable data.
      1. Octopus
        Octopus April 9 2020 10: 32 New
        +4
        Quote: rotmistr60
        worse than the Western ones, who, against the background of their "successes", suddenly shouted in chorus that Russia is lying and does not provide reliable data.

        In fact, the author is a covert dissident and writes exactly the opposite. That the numbers of infection and mortality are overstated.
      2. New Year day
        New Year day April 9 2020 11: 52 New
        +9
        Quote: rotmistr60
        that Russia is lying and does not provide reliable data.

        lying. Violations of the order of the Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation 198n take place
        Only in our hospital there are already 400 coronary patients in 2 weeks, just look at EMIAS
  4. Beringovsky
    Beringovsky April 9 2020 05: 45 New
    -1
    almost all the dead had a whole bunch of diseases.

    Yeah, so the coronavirus has nothing to do with it, anyway, would you ever die? Strange logic.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 April 9 2020 05: 59 New
      +1
      having other diseases, a person becomes vulnerable many times stronger. and such a disease can lead to a fatal outcome against the background of a weak organism. let's call it a catalyst for simplicity. chronic diseases even against the background of flu can break a person.
    2. The popuas
      The popuas April 9 2020 06: 57 New
      0
      The author writes that the usual flu of such people also mows! I still agree with the first comment. hi
  5. DMB 75
    DMB 75 April 9 2020 05: 53 New
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    Biological coronavirus has become an information virus ... Many have already guessed that this is not a plague of the 21st century, but a relatively commonplace infection that began very in time. That is, this is such a black PR, an element of a powerful information war, the purpose of which is to sow panic and chaos. In the crowd, every feeling contagious. It is in the crowd that there is a high susceptibility to suggestion. The crowd never strives for the truth; it turns away from the evidence. He who knows how to mislead the crowd easily becomes its master. Not my words - the author of Le Bon, the book "Psychology of the Masses." Something tells me that all this hysteria with the "terrible coronavirus" is the beginning of the planned "robbery of the century", a scam, as a result of which the assets and savings of many countries, companies , individuals will be effectively redistributed in favor of the current financial oligarchy. This is not the plague of the 21st century, this is the grandiose scam of the 21st century.
    1. Peter Poroshin
      Peter Poroshin April 9 2020 06: 13 New
      10
      Good
      [/ This is not a 21st century plague, this is a grand 21st century scam.]
      is very similar.
    2. l7yzo
      l7yzo April 9 2020 06: 54 New
      11
      Yeah, the flu prefix already didn’t scare anyone - although the mortality rate from the last special flu was very high. But being transmitted - he again lost his aggressiveness and mutated closer to ordinary flu.
      But the natural world has its own laws - aggressive viruses with mutations (with transfer to new carriers) lose their carcasses - they pass into the rank of ordinary passengers with a completely mild course of the disease. The nature of goodness, but its laws are strict. They are strictly observed in it.

      And so, as Zadornov said - "... all because of the attendants."
      “If you want to always be in a good mood, learn to enjoy the little things, say, the salary. A trifle, but nice "
    3. Baloo
      Baloo April 9 2020 06: 55 New
      0
      Quote: DMB 75
      This is not a plague of the 21st century, it is a grandiose scam of the 21st century.

      Do you want to say that the Americans repeated the provocation as with the twin towers? Maybe. Too little information and it is inconsistent. How is it for you: in the summer of 2015, an epidemic such as the present crown broke out in a small American town. Barack closed the lab and the topic. The Amerses managed to strangle. in 2017 Trumpampam opened this topic, gave money for the development of new biological weapons based on the crown and flu. Officially, no comments, apparently the time has come.
  6. Odysseus
    Odysseus April 9 2020 05: 58 New
    +9
    Well, the fact that statistics on coronavirus is a derivative of politics, and not of medicine, is a self-evident thing. That is, they lie to us. But they lie not only in Russia. This problem has a global and regional aspect, and the reasons and level of lies in different countries are different.
    As far as our affairs are concerned, getting an analysis for the "crown" is a non-trivial task even for famous people. For an ordinary person, everything is simple - you have ARVI. However, getting a confirmed result of this analysis is even more tricky.
    As for the main question of the article — do our authorities have real information about the number of patients, then I’m afraid they don’t disappoint fans of secret conspiracies. They have rough estimates (very different from the official ones), but these are just estimates.
    The reasons are simple, the disease in most cases is asymptomatic, and the state of health is such that no one in reality tries to identify this number.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day April 9 2020 11: 53 New
      +6
      Quote: Odyssey
      Well, the fact that statistics on coronavirus is a derivative of politics, and not of medicine, is a self-evident thing. That is, they lie to us.

      right
      Quote: Odyssey
      But they lie not only in Russia.

      it is truth too.
  7. Alexander S.
    Alexander S. April 9 2020 06: 02 New
    +5
    and what is the use of people from autopsy reports? No normal pathologist will write - the cause of death is covid19. And he will write the cause of death - acute respiratory failure due to pneumonia (to put it bluntly). They die not from the virus, but from complications. Well, to read the newspapers .. this is so-so.
    1. Baloo
      Baloo April 9 2020 06: 56 New
      -2
      Quote: Alexander S.
      No normal pathologist will write - the cause of death is covid19.

      Something is not reported about the incidence of the crown among pathologists and crematoria ..
    2. Avior
      Avior April 9 2020 08: 31 New
      +3
      Will write

      If the diagnosis pops up after an autopsy
      Relatives found out about the patient’s death through friends of the doctors, and the diagnosis of coronavirus was made in the morgue.

      https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.lenta.ru/news/2020/04/06/militsyia/amp/#ampf=
  8. oracul
    oracul April 9 2020 06: 08 New
    +8
    The epidemic has its plus - it provides an opportunity to make a real assessment of the actual state of affairs not only here, but throughout the world. Unfortunately, as always, large-scale phenomena generate informational foam. All and sundry make assessments of the present and forecasts for the future. They deliberately discuss and write about inaccuracies, omissions, inconsistencies in the measures taken, forgetting that when millions of people are drawn into any process, this is inevitable. The main thing is to draw the right conclusions.
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 April 9 2020 08: 03 New
      +8
      The people knew all this before, but what's the point? The authorities did not see anything and will not see further, no coronovirus will open their eyes to reality, this epidemic will pass and the authorities will continue to live in their own world without seeing anything around ... except for their pockets.
  9. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov April 9 2020 06: 17 New
    +8
    The authorities write the statistics (the one they want), I support the author, everything is muddy.
  10. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 April 9 2020 06: 28 New
    10
    The coronavirus epidemic is a great opportunity to rally around a Dear Executive. Great yet another brace for the electorate.
    1. Baloo
      Baloo April 9 2020 06: 58 New
      -5
      Quote: 7,62x54
      The coronavirus epidemic is a great opportunity to rally around a Dear Executive. Great yet another brace for the electorate.

      And yet! belay Don't you think this is a rehearsal of biological warfare? The evil empire of the USA is waging a hybrid war against the whole world, and this is for a long time, so give them the moon already.
      1. 7,62h54
        7,62h54 April 9 2020 07: 05 New
        +4
        You forgot to say about the dangers of 5G networks
        1. Baloo
          Baloo April 9 2020 08: 11 New
          -2
          Quote: 7,62x54
          You forgot to say about the dangers of 5G networks
          good
          Stock up on foil for hats. drinks
          1. Avior
            Avior April 9 2020 08: 36 New
            +2
            No need to mislead people.
            The foil does not help.
            Scientists have definitely established- Only colander is needed smile
            1. Baloo
              Baloo April 9 2020 08: 39 New
              -1
              Quote: Avior
              Scientists have definitely established- Only colander is needed
              good
              Accepted. soldier
            2. Octopus
              Octopus April 9 2020 10: 36 New
              +1
              Quote: Avior
              Only a colander is needed

              You will agree to the pan.

              What, WANT HOW IN UKRAINE?
    2. Octopus
      Octopus April 9 2020 10: 36 New
      +7
      Quote: 7,62x54
      The coronavirus epidemic is a great opportunity to rally around a Dear Executive. Great yet another brace for the electorate.

      Yes, it’s very right during the epidemic to rally around him more tightly.
      But he hid somewhere.
    3. Malyuta
      Malyuta April 9 2020 10: 51 New
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      Quote: 7,62x54
      coronavirus epidemic is a great opportunity to rally around a Dear Executive. Great yet another brace for the electorate.

      With it, we dealt with the two most terrible problems of the Pechenegs and Polovtsy, and even with the virus can be bullshit.
      So, hand out the suits to Lieutenant Galitsin!
  11. Alexey Sommer
    Alexey Sommer April 9 2020 06: 38 New
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    There are still many people in our country who are able to think and draw conclusions.
    This article is a clear confirmation of this. Thanks to the author! This is serious.
    And now the irony. )
    I would like to say special thanks to the authors and implementers of the idea of ​​the "coronavirus epidemic".
    I don’t remember such "sewing with white thread" for a long time.
    The performance with COVID-19 is so incompetent, so brainless that you don’t know how to cry, or laugh? But there is no silver lining.
    If not for your stupidity, I would have wondered for a long time who ruled us and in which country I live.
    Pink glasses removed. Unfortunately, Russia’s colony is ruled by a stupid, irresponsible pseudo-elite.
  12. Lamata
    Lamata April 9 2020 07: 21 New
    0
    But he doesn’t take this pensioner from the authorities,
  13. parusnik
    parusnik April 9 2020 07: 40 New
    +3
    It seems that we can handle the coronavirus by the May holidays ... wink
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan April 9 2020 11: 50 New
      +1
      So already stated that the Victory Parade will be held in any case.
  14. aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets April 9 2020 07: 57 New
    0
    Maxim Shevchenko, a journalist, deputy of the ZKS of the Vladimir Region from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, got sick, that’s what he says about this
  15. Lamata
    Lamata April 9 2020 08: 04 New
    -2
    Diagnosis, Putin leave, 66 years old, retirement, leave
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets April 9 2020 08: 08 New
      +2
      Quote: Lamata
      Diagnosis, Putin leave, 66 years old, retirement, leave

      It's not about Putin, it's about the socio-political formation in which we live.
      1. Lamata
        Lamata April 9 2020 08: 09 New
        +3
        I agree with you, Putin, this is so, belching. but the formation, this is serious, This is what we live with.
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets April 9 2020 08: 20 New
          -1
          Quote: Lamata
          I agree with you, Putin, this is so, belching. but the formation, this is serious, This is what we live with.

          Yes, for that, look, minus signers ran in, and 5 minutes passed.
          1. Lamata
            Lamata April 9 2020 08: 33 New
            0
            Well, in isolation, how good it is to minus. Sobyanins))))) Well this does not work, and clav crush)))
      2. Avior
        Avior April 9 2020 08: 39 New
        +3
        . It's not about Putin

        Then every third comment that he is an irreplaceable person and that nobody in his place can be found in all of Russia ....
        1. Lamata
          Lamata April 9 2020 08: 53 New
          +1
          And how are we without Putin !!! he is a slave in the galleys, he rows and we, we sit and ride.
      3. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. April 9 2020 10: 47 New
        -5
        The socio-political formation is just normal. Other countries with this formation live well. Both economically and socially.
  16. EvilLion
    EvilLion April 9 2020 08: 45 New
    0
    I understand that the author has nothing to do like a cat, but for those who are busy with revealing the disease, they don’t have to lick a known place, they need at least some tools. And if they have something that allows them to fix this cove with at least 90% probability, then they will use it. Because 90% is better than fortune telling.

    But as practice shows, 90% of people, in principle, do not understand statistics.

    As for the causes of mortality, for example, they don’t die from AIDS, they die from the diseases caused by it, because the immune system comes from kirdyk. And if a person of about 50 years old, who before himself lived and lived, and at 50, everyone has a lot of illnesses, and then he abruptly took and died in a month from complications and he found a coronavirus, then the coronavirus is clearly the exact same cause of death as for tank cause the loss of the shell that hit the ammunition. Wouldn’t have flown, would have not pulled the BC.
  17. rocket757
    rocket757 April 9 2020 09: 02 New
    +2
    Why do most countries take such urgent pest control measures?
    Universal conspiracy (world government) or is it a vital need?
    Here is a TOPIC for rampant fantasies of all sorts, different!
    For my part, I can say .... I survived two cholera epidemics, right, right at the epicenter, what the Soviet government did was right and effective, the infection was defeated without catastrophic consequences.
    In our time, he survived the epidemic of a pork infection, even had to "breathe" the stench from the burnt pork carcasses, BR-R-R! I wouldn't wish this on anyone .... almost no one keeps pigs in the village now! And how to live without this ??? We have survived and learned.
    In short, we will survive the current infection ..... and Moidodyr’s song now, I hope, everyone will be remembered forever.
  18. BIABIA
    BIABIA April 9 2020 09: 09 New
    +3
    Quote: depressant
    Test for coronavirus - 1200 rubles, but voluntarily.

    Voluntarily - it's for now ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 9 2020 23: 45 New
      0
      And in the future it will be voluntary - since after it you can become infected at any time, but when the vaccine is created, vaccination will be mandatory for everyone.
  19. Cowbra
    Cowbra April 9 2020 09: 19 New
    -3
    However, information on such diagnoses is not available. Suppose doctors are reinsured and do not disclose these data, because they are 100% not sure of the correctness of their conclusions. Indeed, only the pathoanatomical study can determine the final cause of death. And what's the problem?

    In deontology. "Medical secret" - have you heard? At the same time - except for a physician, no one in the epicrisis will understand nicherta. He can only think of it. Here one clown told me yesterday that he had contracted the coronavirus, because he was not given "protective equipment" in the operating room. In addition to the fact that he is corny lying, this organism, howling that he has been "in the operating room since 80" laughing I didn’t find out that the mask does not help from INFECTION with the virus. and in the operating room, gloves, gowns, masks, hats are worn not so as not to become infected themselves, but so as not to infect the wound.
    You here want to publish such clowns? Yes. I forgot, as evidence that he was infected - he brought a test for COVID with the conclusion "the pathogen was not found."
    Since the 80s he has been in the operating room. I know by whom. "Meow-Get out! - Meow! - Yes on (cuts off) - choke!"
  20. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov April 9 2020 09: 34 New
    +3
    To dissuade believers or to convince non-believers is equally ungrateful.
    Answer, my dear peers, not even to me, but to ourselves. What should happen is that you finally believe that this is not just some kind of flu, that these are not games with statistics, etc.
    You don’t have enough videos with strings of trucks with coffins in Italy, refrigerated trucks with corpses in New York, mountains of corpses of morgues in countries where they simply do not have time to bury?
    What will convince you for sure?
    1. Octopus
      Octopus April 9 2020 10: 39 New
      +4
      Quote: A. Privalov
      What will convince you for sure?

      The Journal of HIV Dissidents closed after the death of all AIDS editorial board members.
    2. Cowbra
      Cowbra April 9 2020 10: 56 New
      -3
      Some kind of flu was a pandemic due to global stupidity. Some kind of epidemic in China was defeated by quarantine and did not become a disaster in the Russian Federation. Became in the US, but for the same reason as with the Spanish flu, "some kind of flu." By the way, how many died from the crown? From flu a year - every year - from 200 to 600 thousand around the world. He is "some", the crown is not "some". Yes?
    3. dauria
      dauria April 9 2020 19: 31 New
      0
      What will convince you for sure?


      Walk on water ... Well, seriously - to begin with tell me what exactly are you calling to believe? In numbers. In a year we will compare and create a new religion for them. Privalov. wink
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov April 10 2020 08: 46 New
        0
        Quote: dauria
        Walk on water ... Well, seriously - to begin with tell me what exactly are you calling to believe? In numbers. In a year we will compare and create a new religion for them. Privalov.

        About three months ago, I would also gossip and fast, but now, my tongue doesn’t turn ...
        Yesterday in the Russian Federation there were 10 thousand infected. Three days later, on the fourth, their number will double. After that, doubling will go faster ...
        Mortality will also creep up. I'd love to make a mistake. We will return to this conversation not in a year, but in 10-12 days. hi
  21. srha
    srha April 9 2020 09: 55 New
    +1
    The answer is not based on statistics, because it is now just being developed (a pogrom in medicine called optimization in its time cut down almost all medical statistics (I worked there at that moment)), but based on an analysis of scarce data, respected by experts.
    "how many ... are infected" - no one knows, since there are not enough tests, there is not enough specialization and quality of tests, there are no correctly designed studies - because there is neither time nor opportunity. Dozens of doctors themselves become infected - because they do not know exactly how the virus spreads and the correct methods of protection, and they are not able to provide complete isolation.
    "Lethality" is several tens of times higher than usual flu, and they also include fatal complications caused by the virus.
    "And in the end the main question" ... - Have you heard anything about the "fog of war"? Or about the difference between artificial intelligence and natural intelligence - the former understands only clear algorithms, and the latter acts in a lack of information. The authorities act on the basis of incomplete data in accordance with their intellect, interests and pressure from lobbying groups.
    PS But, in extreme situations, better fast is good than long is excellent. It is better to sit in quarantine, and to give specialists the opportunity to decide, than to appear, figuratively speaking, in coronavirus New York.
    PPS Although some of the actions of the authorities also surprise me, to say the least.
  22. Pavel57
    Pavel57 April 9 2020 10: 02 New
    +2
    The story with the coronovirus is quite dark, you cannot figure it out without conspiracy theories.
    In any case, the blow to the economy will not be in vain.
    Of the advantages, I see only one - the reform of medicine has failed, and this is visible to everyone.

    As for personal impressions - familiar doctors say that the situation is bloated.
    The second - many acquaintances fell ill at the turn of 2019-2020 according to a completely unusual scenario.
    And there are statistics on the growth of pneumonia in the winter, although the winter was quite warm.
    1. luk
      luk April 9 2020 11: 38 New
      0
      Is there anything that didn't fail?
  23. BIABIA
    BIABIA April 9 2020 10: 47 New
    +2
    Quote: Pavel57
    winter was warm enough.

    And this is shitty. The temperature, conditionally, from +2 to -2 is much worse than stable -10, - 15.
  24. bandabas
    bandabas April 9 2020 10: 50 New
    +2
    Buying buckwheat is over, buying lemons too ... After the FAS announced that it is possible to increase food prices from 5 to 20%, we expect further excitement. The "middle class", which makes up 2/3 of the population, will rush to shops again. The only problem is that the "middle class" has run out of funds for some reason. You give domestic fuel as a counterbalance to the decaying cheaper gasoline from the West.
    1. polar fox
      polar fox April 9 2020 11: 32 New
      0
      Quote: bandabas
      buying lemons too.

      lemons at wholesale from 400 ... garlic from 400 ... buckwheat, rice, carcass increased in price in 2 weeks to 30% ...
    2. luk
      luk April 9 2020 11: 36 New
      0
      That you clung to the incapable middle class. He is not in Russia. It’s better to see how state-owned banks remove gold from the country. In hundreds of tons. Like party gold before the collapse of the USSR
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. April 9 2020 13: 25 New
        +1
        On Echo of Moscow taken out or in your head? In Gokhran now there is no movement at all. My friend from the FSO will not let you lie.
    3. Pavel57
      Pavel57 April 9 2020 12: 09 New
      +1
      At that pace, the middle class will soon not be.
  25. ELEZKIY
    ELEZKIY April 9 2020 11: 21 New
    +1
    Quote: Snail N9
    If we talk about the "final diagnosis", then here is the "diagnosis" that must be made in this case (taken from the YAP):
    Spokesman for the Russian President Dmitry Peskov said that he bought a “virus blocker” in the form of a badge that can be worn on a jacket, reports TASS.

    “I bought it myself at the pharmacy,” said Peskov, answering the question, is it now recommended that all employees of the presidential administration wear such badges.

    The fact that the press secretary of the President of Russia acquired the “virus blocker,” drew the attention of the publication Life.ru. Journalists spotted a blocker on Peskov’s jacket during a broadcast of a meeting of the President of Russia with the governors, which was held in a video conference format.

    On the frame selected by Life.ru, the Air Doctor brand badge is visible. The manufacturer’s website reports that it is a “Japanese-quality” virus blocker that works against influenza and the common cold. The company claims that it is able to cope with infections better than conventional disinfectants due to the presence of solid chlorine dioxide in the composition. The cost of a badge is from 1750 rubles.
    News with excellent IQ for buyers of similar products.
    I’m not even going to dwell on the mechanics of the operation of such a blocker (which simply does not exist) and I won’t also mention the principle of transmission of infections and I won’t say that the appearance of the blocker and its location on clothes will in any way frighten or scare the virus away from a potential the recipient.
    I’ll just take an excerpt from Wikipedia about the main active ingredient of this blocker - chlorine dioxide.

    Chlorine dioxide - an inorganic chemical compound of chlorine and oxygen, formula: ClO2
    Chlorine dioxide is toxic. Strong oxidizing agent. Causes mucous membranes and coughing. MPC in the air of the working zone 0,1 mg / m3

    This is what you need to be sandy to get into a whole Japanese blocker!
    It’s just a shame that then with these hands these heads think of laws and rule the country.

    https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5e8e0f929a79474439ce9325

    they had psaki, we have sand
  26. luk
    luk April 9 2020 11: 31 New
    -3
    At the same time, bankers, moreover, state banks, began to export gold from the country. Hundreds of tons. I think the situation is understandable if we compare it with the "gold of the party" before the collapse of the USSR
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 9 2020 23: 48 New
      +1
      Are you thumping in quarantine or something - the squirrel has already visited you on a campaign.
  27. New Year day
    New Year day April 9 2020 11: 40 New
    +9
    In January, the Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation developed Temporary guidelines “Prevention, diagnosis and treatment of new coronavirus infection (2019-nCoV)”. According to this document, the statuses “suspected case of infection”, “probable case of infection” and “confirmed case of infection” are introduced.

    Why lie, author!
    Appendix 7 to the order of the Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation of March 19, 2020 No. 198n

    Confirmed Case COVID-19
    positive analysis regardless of clinical manifestations
    1. riwas
      riwas April 9 2020 12: 02 New
      +2
      Participants in the Moscow-based Clinical Committee for the Control of Coronavirus proposed changing the rules for hospitalization of patients.
      If a person does not have test results yet, but examination using tomography or X-ray showed signs of pneumonia caused by coronavirus, then he will be hospitalized in a hospital and taken as a patient with COVID-19.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day April 9 2020 17: 16 New
        +7
        Quote: riwas
        If a person does not have test results yet, but examination using tomography or X-ray showed signs of pneumonia caused by coronavirus, then he will be hospitalized in a hospital and taken as a patient with COVID-19.

        absolutely true, since the accuracy of our tests, as it turned out, is 70-80% request
  28. riwas
    riwas April 9 2020 11: 43 New
    +2
    In Russia, there are "Temporary guidelines. Prevention, diagnosis and treatment of new coronavirus infection (COVID-19)".
    https://static-3.rosminzdrav.ru/system/attachments/attaches/000/049/877/original/COVID19_recomend_v4.pdf
    They recommend the use of hydroxychloroquine (or mefloquine)

    A professor of chemistry and biochemistry at the University of Maryland (USA) Catherine Selej-Radtke, referring to a number of medical studies, said that the antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine (or mefloquine) does not help the immune system to resist a new type of coronavirus. In particular, she noted the work of the French virologist Jean-Michel Molin, which disproves the presence of a positive effect of the drug for patients with COVID-19.
    https://www.popmech.ru/science/news-564844-preparat-ot-koronavirusa-okazalsya-neeffektiven/

    Few anti-malarial drugs hydroxychloroquine (or mefloquine) do not help with coronavirus, so it is still fatal when taken with metformin (prescribed for type 2 diabetes).
    https://ria.ru/20200407/1569693041.html
    1. riwas
      riwas April 9 2020 14: 21 New
      +2
      A new version 5 has been released "Temporary guidelines. Prevention, diagnosis and treatment of new coronavirus infection (COVID-19)"
      https://static-2.rosminzdrav.ru/system/attachments/attaches/000/049/949/original/%D0%92%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0%9C%D0%A0_COVID-19_%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F_5.pdf
      1. New Year day
        New Year day April 9 2020 23: 14 New
        +7
        Quote: riwas
        A new version 5 has been released "Temporary guidelines. Prevention, diagnosis and treatment of new coronavirus infection (COVID-19)"

        and in the evening, the Minister of Health announced that the diagnosis of Covid-19 would be based on clinical data. Here is such a dynamics in terms of diagnosis. I believe this is due to the imperfection of the Novosibirsk test systems and the inability to drive all patients through CT. According to the protocol, this should be done on admission and weekly. With this algorithm, there will not be a single CT scan in the country soon. request
        1. Liam
          Liam April 10 2020 00: 44 New
          0
          Quote: Silvestr
          Minister of Health said Covid-19 will be diagnosed based on clinical data. Here is such a dynamics in terms of diagnosis. I guess this is connected

          With the fact that the hospitals have reached such miracles with numbers
          Moscow City Clinical Hospital №15 named after Filatov was converted for the treatment of patients with coronavirus. 1315 beds, 543 doctors, 741 nurses. Over the week, the number of patients with COVID-19 increased from 25 to 282 people, pneumonia was diagnosed in 661 patients. On April 5, 215 patients were admitted to the clinic.
          .
          Official patients with Covid-282.A with pneumonia-661 people.
          In addition to problems with testing, these figures can not be explained. Well, or games with statistics
  29. Operator
    Operator April 9 2020 12: 13 New
    +2
    Damn, the author is for white or red? laughing

    Since there is no complete testing for coronavirus in any country in the world, it is possible to find out the actual coverage of the disease, including proceeding without external symptoms, under the condition of mass testing of the population for antibodies - after the pandemic, of course.

    As for the actual causes of deaths from pneumonia, they include not only the coronavirus, but also the influenza virus, various bacterial infections. Plus complications of chronic diseases due to insufficient oxygen supply from the affected lungs. The final figures of the actual deaths from the coronavirus (in the bodies of which it was found) can be found only after studying the medical records of the dead - again after the pandemic.

    Now the main thing is to at least keep with quarantine the number of seriously ill patients at the current level of throughput of infectious medical institutions, determined by the number of mechanical ventilation devices. Well, and as a maximum reduce the scale of the disease, since population immunity will be provided later with the help of a vaccine.

    Wring your hands and vote will be possible after.
  30. DemikSPb
    DemikSPb April 9 2020 12: 25 New
    +2
    According to the recommendations of the Ministry of Health, at the moment, all patients diagnosed with pneumonia will be considered infected with COVID19 and treated according to the appropriate treatment regimen, since in the presence of a virus, the process develops very quickly (hours, not days) and leads to death.
  31. cniza
    cniza April 9 2020 12: 50 New
    +2
    I don’t know which answer is “better” ...


    We can only say one thing, or rather, suppose that no one, except for one organization, for today, knows what the whole world has faced in the face of coronovirus. One organization is special. US service that oversaw the development of this virus ...
    1. Mebius
      Mebius April 9 2020 13: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: cniza
      We can only say one thing, or rather, suppose that no one, except for one organization, for today, knows what the whole world has faced in the face of coronovirus. One organization is special. US service that oversaw the development of this virus ...

      I’m also convinced of this every time .. But something went wrong with them!
      China was able to localize quickly, but some kind of scream started, almost bombing China (it was like that), but it turned out to be more interesting, especially against the backdrop of the oil war that coincided with this pandemic .. And Russia is holding on! And even helps other countries, despite the cries of protesters from the marsh, etc.
      All interesting is yet to come Victor!
      1. cniza
        cniza April 9 2020 13: 46 New
        +2
        Unfortunately, we really do not know what this infection is capable of and where it can climb tomorrow and what it can bring.
  32. Pavel57
    Pavel57 April 9 2020 12: 53 New
    0
    Quote: luk
    Is there anything that didn't fail?


    There is, but we will not discuss this in this thread.
  33. Mebius
    Mebius April 9 2020 13: 29 New
    -1
    And in the end the main question is: do the Russian authorities, who are planning emergency measures to combat the pandemic, come from distorted (to put it mildly) data, or do they still have objective information that they for some reason do not want to share with the public?

    As I understand it, the US needs to seek help (today the State Department announced that it will lead the fight against the virus))))
    How everything is subtly and cunningly twisted .. Well continue gentlemen, it’s interesting to read you .. And many howled choral throat singing ..
    And I’ll answer you from the Urals ..))))

    I hope they understood what I think of you and how to deal with all this coven? wink
  34. riwas
    riwas April 9 2020 13: 30 New
    0
    Researchers at Fudan University analyzed blood samples from 175 patients discharged from the Shanghai Public Medical Center after treatment with Covid-19. It turned out that almost a third of the test subjects had unexpectedly low levels of antibodies to coronavirus in their blood. In ten patients, antibodies could not be detected at all.
    https://naked-science.ru/article/medicine/kitajskie-uchenye-utverzhdayut-chto-organizmy
  35. gvozdan
    gvozdan April 9 2020 13: 56 New
    +1
    I am personally against quarantine. All adults. Everyone was warned, told what to do, how to defend who is at risk. Do you want to observe, do not want to go to work, walk.
    I believe that the media fanned the panic for the sake of ratings, and the government in these conditions simply had no choice. If everyone is criticizing the authorities now, what would happen if we, as the Swedes, refused quarantine and there would have been 10-20 times more deaths?
  36. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov April 9 2020 15: 06 New
    +4
    When in less than two weeks the number of people infected in the Russian Federation increased tenfold, such articles look, to put it mildly, ridiculous.

    It’s time for everyone to take for granted several elementary things:
    1. There is no vaccine from the coronovirus and will not appear soon.
    2. There is no cure for a distinct cure for coronovirus.
    3. There are no methods other than quarantine / isolation to prevent the spread of the disease.
    4. Wash hands, wear face masks, and do not climb anywhere without special need avoiding any contact.
    Point.

    All economic losses with time will be refunded. There is nothing more expensive and more important than people's lives.
    Take care of yourself!
    God bless you!
    1. 1970mk
      1970mk April 10 2020 03: 54 New
      0
      When in less than two weeks the number of infected in the Russian Federation increased tenfold

      What are you talking about? Already been ill "secretly", apparently an order of magnitude more than it is now oregano ... or even 2 orders of magnitude ...
  37. PVL176
    PVL176 April 9 2020 16: 04 New
    +1
    As a graduate of short television first and second-channel courses of virology virology and six-year TV-Internet courses of political scientists, political scientist, I can dream up. "Even if this is a crazy idea, don't cut it in the heat of the moment." If you believe the official information and make assumptions only on its basis, then people of the age are exposed to the greatest threat. Moreover, the virus does not spare anyone, it is impossible to hide from it, except on the Moon, and there is no medicine, except for immunity. In this case, all the celestials of planet Earth are under mortal threat, because most of the rulers: Trump, Merkel, the queen, one royal personage we know, the entire financial and banking world mafia (all kinds of Rothschilds) - all of them are in the face of the most terrible danger for them, lose your precious lives. Most of them are very old people and very suspicious. So they started bustling, running around like cockroaches. But, I repeat, this is only if there is no other, very terrible reason, which for some reason everyone keeps in the strictest confidence. Nothing else, this crown hysteria cannot be explained, IMHO.
    1. depressant
      depressant April 9 2020 17: 51 New
      +1
      Well, one of the reasons is the severe, unprecedented in destructive consequences economic crisis predicted long ago. It must be covered with coronavirus as a fictitious cause. Like, capitalism just because of him could not cope with the economy.
      The second, implicit, is the transition of mankind to other technologies, because of which a huge number of people will be on the street (they say up to a billion), because their professions are already unclaimed by the modern stage of technology development. Relatively speaking, these are cabmen - a coachman of cabs, omnibuses, Lando, stagecoaches, dashing triples in the era of motorization. To avoid a social explosion, the coronavirus is again made guilty.
      The world of capital covers up the inability to provide each person with decent work and turns the arrows on the disease. People are simply not needed, but they multiply. So let the coronavirus destroy some of them. This is the third of the heinous reasons why the virus was in demand within the first two.
      Another is the struggle of bankers with industrialists. The battle is not for life, but unequivocally - to death. Bank employees are not required much. Industrial and agricultural workers are in demand for normal farming. The task is to destroy basically this layer of the Earth’s population. For he is capable of internal consolidation and the support of industrialists. Which in itself is devoid of internal logic.
      The fifth is to mow all who are not a white billion.
      Sixth - to lead the world into disunity, to destroy any alliances between countries. Dissociated pressure is easier within the boundaries of all the above reasons.
      I never thought that I would live to see that. I just can’t believe it!
  38. Uran53
    Uran53 April 9 2020 20: 51 New
    0
    Nice to read a clever article, a clever person! We, in the Perm Territory, have 3 deaths from the "coronavirus". True, one victim had very serious diabetes mellitus, while the other had stage 4 oncology. But the coronavirus is still to blame. But on the other hand, the powers that be on the sly, do not dare to call them "ours", it seems they have begun to optimize the gold and foreign exchange reserves. As everyone will "normalize" so we will eat the coronavirus.
  39. Radikal
    Radikal April 10 2020 00: 36 New
    -1
    The author does not offer answers to numerous questions related to the coronavirus; on the contrary, it formulates questions that I would like to receive answers to.

    The answers without which it is impossible to objectively assess the situation with the “pandemic”. We are talking about the quality of statistical information distributed by officials, authorities and the media, and the terminology that they constantly use.
    So far, no one has answered the main question - how many citizens of the Russian Federation went abroad from January of the current year to the present, and how many of them returned infected with the virus, what measures have been taken against them .... sad
    1. 1970mk
      1970mk April 10 2020 03: 25 New
      +1
      No ... half the country was already ill ... maybe ... secretly ...
  40. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 April 10 2020 02: 13 New
    0
    Do not eat tomatoes, as it is established that almost everyone who died from the coronovirus and not only from them ate!
  41. 1970mk
    1970mk April 10 2020 03: 24 New
    +1
    Gentlemen-Comrades ... The article does not take into account one "funny" fact ... On April 1 (not a joke) Golikova said literally the following at a meeting with Putin:
    "... I would also like to say a few words about the fact that our leading scientific institutions are working in all areas of prevention, diagnosis, and treatment of a new coronavirus infection. At the end of March this year, we conducted research to identify antibodies to the new coronavirus. 226 blood serum samples from people from various groups who were not registered as patients with a new coronavirus infection. Of this circle of people in 226 people, 11 people were identified who had been ill and had antibodies to the new coronavirus .... "
    http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/63123
    What we have ... a random group ... were not registered that they were sick with this ... test for antibodies .. total - 5% of those who secretly "got sick" with antibodies .. Not all antibodies (to put it mildly) are formed the first time. .may be from the second or third ... What do we have? This has been with us for several months already ..... and in general it is surprising that we still haven't "secretly" been ill!
  42. Radikal
    Radikal April 10 2020 22: 42 New
    0
    Quote: Radikal
    The author does not offer answers to numerous questions related to the coronavirus; on the contrary, it formulates questions that I would like to receive answers to.

    The answers without which it is impossible to objectively assess the situation with the “pandemic”. We are talking about the quality of statistical information distributed by officials, authorities and the media, and the terminology that they constantly use.
    So far, no one has answered the main question - how many citizens of the Russian Federation went abroad from January of the current year to the present, and how many of them returned infected with the virus, what measures have been taken against them .... sad

    Interest-s-s-but, I put a minus one that ...? sad