The Russian Guard is adopting the SR-2MP Veresk submachine gun

The Russian Guard is adopting the SR-2MP Veresk submachine gun

The Russian Guard will adopt the SR-2MP submachine gun, an appropriate procedure is currently underway. It is reported by RIA News with reference to the source in power structures.


In the Russian Guard, measures are being taken to take into service the national guard of the Russian Federation 9x21-mm submachine gun SR-2MP

- The interlocutor of the agency said, without going into details.

The submachine gun SR-2MP "Veresk" is a modernized version of the sub-machine gun CP-2M, equipped with Picatinny rails with the possibility of equipping a silencer. Currently, this submachine gun is in service with the FSB and FSO units, as well as some special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

A submachine gun was developed at TsNIITochmash in the city of Klimovsk and was first shown to the public in 1999. Heather was created as weaponcapable of hitting the enemy in individual means of armor of the second class at a distance of 200 m and unarmored vehicles at a distance of up to 100 m

The caliber - 9X21, was originally developed under the powerful cartridge of increased penetration of the design of Serdyukov SP-10. It can use cartridges SP-10 (with a bullet with a special steel core of increased armor penetration), SP-11 (with a low-resilient bullet with a lead core), SP-12 (with an expansive bullet of increased stopping power), SP-13 (with a tracer bullet).

Earlier it was reported about the plans of the Russian Guard to adopt the Lebedev pistol (PL-15) instead of the PM and the RPK-16 light machine gun instead of the outdated RPK-74.
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  1. Teberii April 7 2020 10: 21 New
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    All is well, that is in favor.
    1. neri73-r April 7 2020 10: 43 New
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      Shot, a gorgeous thing. He shot at the same time from the NK MP-5; Heather was much more liked, more convenient.
      1. rich April 7 2020 14: 55 New
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        SR-2 Heather:
        The SR-2 Veresk submachine gun was designed by the Klimov FSI TsNIITOCHMASH (Central Scientific Research Institute of Precision Engineering) on ​​instructions from the FSB of Russia in the mid-1990s. For the first time this submachine gun was shown in 1999 under the designation CP-2 (Special Development 2) and the name "Heather". Later, an improved version of it was created, which received the designation SR-2M “Heather” and is distinguished mainly by the presence on the fore-end of the folding front handle for holding weapons with two hands. The 9-mm submachine gun CP-2M is an automatic melee weapon and is designed to destroy manpower, including using personal protective equipment, at ranges of up to 200 m. For shooting, powerful domestic pistol cartridges 9x21 - SP-10 and SP-11.
        Together with the CP.1 pistol, SP-10 and SP-11 cartridges and the “KP SR-2” single-sight collimator sight, the Veresk submachine gun is part of a high-performance rifle complex capable of hitting the enemy in second-class personal protective equipment at a distance of 200 m and unarmored vehicles at a distance of up to 100 m. The SR-2M Veresk provides 100% penetration of a 4-mm steel sheet at a distance of 70 m. The Veresk submachine gun is designed to use various 9x21 mm cartridges: SP10 with steel core armored penetration; SP11 - with a bullet with a lead core; SP12 - with an expansive bullet providing increased stopping power; SP13 - with a tracer bullet. The stopping effect of bullets of cartridges SP-11 and SP-13 is 1,5-2 times higher than that of 9 × 18 PM.





        Specifications SR-2 Heather:
        Caliber: 9 × 21 (SP.10, 7N29 and other options)
        Weapon Length: 603/367 mm
        Barrel length: 173 mm
        Weapon Width: 46 mm
        Weight unloaded: 1,6 kg.
        Rate of Shooting: 900 fps / min
        Magazine capacity: 20 or 30 cartridges
        Specifications SR-2M Heather:
        Caliber: 9 × 21 (SP.10, 7N29 and other options)
        Weapon Length: 603/367 mm
        Barrel length: 172 mm
        Weapon Width: 41 mm
        Weapon height: 190 mm
        Weight unloaded: 1,65 kg.
        Rate of Shooting: 820 fps / min
        Magazine capacity: 20 or 25 cartridges
      2. rich April 7 2020 15: 03 New
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        the location of the Fuse on the right side is surprising and the shoulder rest is too long in my opinion. Is it convenient?
        I'm not going to hait, I just ask those who used
      3. iouris April 7 2020 17: 08 New
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        But does he kill does not hurt?
        1. Yurkaza April 8 2020 11: 25 New
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          No, patting her shoulder gently.
  2. CommanderDIVA April 7 2020 10: 23 New
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    “Earlier it was reported that Rosgvardia’s plans to adopt the Lebedev pistol (PL-15) instead of the PM” - the Ministry of Defense, like the Udav pistol, was planning to adopt it, the FSB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs are already armed with the pistol; ? Common sense dictates a uniform pistol for all
    1. Kalmar April 7 2020 10: 59 New
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      Quote: CommanderDIVA
      Common sense dictates a uniform pistol for all

      A gun is not a very expensive toy. For police structures in peacetime, having several different models of pistols in service is not a problem. But you can have a weapon that is more suitable for specific tasks, plus conditionally-healthy competition between manufacturers is somehow supported.
      1. CommanderDIVA April 7 2020 11: 08 New
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        For special services, police structures, I agree, for example, in the police of different states in the USA, but it is economically and strategically more profitable for us to have a single pistol for all security forces (for example Nagan, TT and PM for many years), and for the development of super-healthy competition among Russian manufacturers of pistols to enter the foreign market, I haven’t heard anything about the supply of our pistols to other countries
        1. Kalmar April 7 2020 12: 01 New
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          Quote: CommanderDIVA
          it is economically and strategically more profitable for us to have a single gun for all security officials

          All security officials have their own budgets, so I do not foresee any particular benefits here.

          Quote: CommanderDIVA
          for the development of super-healthy competition among Russian manufacturers of pistols it is necessary to enter the foreign market

          Dreams, dreams ... Let's face it: our "pistol-building" at the current stage is not in the form to successfully compete in the foreign market. Plus more sanctions.
          1. itarnmag April 8 2020 11: 19 New
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            We have not been developing new pistols for so long that we could be left behind forever. And to enter the external oversaturated market is probably already hopeless. Russia has no allies to supply our pistols and submachine guns
        2. vladcub April 7 2020 12: 29 New
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          "I haven’t heard anywhere about the supply of our pistols to other countries," the fact of the matter is that almost half of the world chose Glock (fortunately they come in all calibers).
          PS.Our pistols are unlikely to compete in the West.
          In my opinion: we need to allow short barrels. At least a "castrated" version of the type: "Baikal"
          1. Shelest2000 April 7 2020 14: 17 New
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            Well, so, in all countries, pistols adopted by the army are first practiced on the civilian market - reliability, quality, ease of use, etc. And then the MO of countries selects the appropriate one.
            We do not have such an approach and will not be in connection with the complete absence now and in the future of the arms market in Russia. And not only short-trunks. Alas ...
          2. Catfish April 7 2020 14: 58 New
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            Svyatoslav, if you are allowed a short barrel, then the Russian Guard will immediately adopt anti-tank guns. laughing You see that the last is not taken away ...
          3. fk7777777 April 7 2020 16: 44 New
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            That's right Glock, Remington, Colt, Czechs cz, the Germans trying to get there well they get it. Well, perhaps everything from which it is possible to choose something worthwhile for yourself.
        3. Max otto April 7 2020 13: 20 New
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          And do not hear. We don’t have pistols in use, you can’t. Do not sell at home, do not sell abroad.
        4. Archon April 9 2020 07: 52 New
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          it is economically more profitable for us to give out not a gun, but a stick, as in India.
          (Yes, it’s just a golden dream of the government, and put the saved money on something interesting)
      2. Lopatov April 7 2020 11: 14 New
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        Quote: Kalmar
        For police structures in peacetime, having several different models of pistols in service is not a problem.

        Rather, even the opposite is a necessity.

        Because there is a need for both military and service weapons. Especially for such "transitional" structures as the Russian Guard
    2. Piramidon April 7 2020 11: 13 New
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      Quote: CommanderDIVA
      such a variety of pistols in law enforcement agencies, why? Common sense dictates a uniform pistol for all

      The main thing is that the ammunition is the same. In the Russian imperial army, an officer could, for his money, purchase a pistol (revolver) that he liked if he did not like the regular Nagan
      1. vladcub April 7 2020 12: 22 New
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        A small clarification: in the RIA, officers could acquire for wearing OUTSIDE. Browning, Colt and a small number of Lugers
        1. Marconi41 April 7 2020 17: 04 New
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          Quote: vladcub
          A small clarification: in the RIA, officers could acquire for wearing OUTSIDE. Browning, Colt and a small number of Lugers

          Mauser forgot. Although it was expensive, not all officers could afford it, but it was allowed to be worn.
      2. fk7777777 April 7 2020 16: 47 New
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        A gun is when the clip in the handle is located, and a revolver is when the drum or clip is pulled out of the handle, for example, a Mauser.
        1. Piramidon April 7 2020 17: 10 New
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          Quote: fk7777777
          The gun is when the clip in the handle is

          But am I against it? request
        2. vladcub April 9 2020 13: 14 New
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          Actually, a revolver is a movement (French). There are ready charges in the drum and after each shot the drum rotates giving a new charge. Now almost ALL 6 revolvers are charging.
          In the Republic of Ingushetia, the city policemen were armed with 6 charging revolvers. Smith Honestly with a round bullet, and the army relied on the 7th loading revolver Nagan.
          The gun cartridges are in the store. The store is located in the handle, less often in front of the trigger. Mauser, Zimell, Staer.
          The store in the handle is more practical: the gun is more compact and better balanced. I advise about all this: Fedoseyev, "All the Pistols of the World" and the Beetle: "Pistols, revolvers. Rifles, assault rifles." Personally, the Beetle seemed to me better: more illustrations (performed by the author)
    3. vladcub April 7 2020 12: 08 New
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      Actually, the topic is: PM receiver, it has been said a thousand times. Clearly hurried with Yarygin
      1. Marconi41 April 7 2020 17: 05 New
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        Quote: vladcub
        Clearly hurried with Yarygin

        Definitely!
    4. YOUR April 7 2020 12: 25 New
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      Most likely they will go into service in a small amount, exclusively for specialists. But in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Federal Penitentiary Service, and the Russian Guard, it’s really a assortment of pistols; You watch the programs, well, at least with Badyuk, which is only in the FSIN and the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
      1. vladcub April 8 2020 12: 44 New
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        Baduk is a good author, but it would be great if there would be a similar author. I do not know this
        1. YOUR April 10 2020 05: 24 New
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          The Baduk is only transmitting in which various types of weapons are in service. Mostly FSIN. Apparently I was able to agree with them on the filming of the provision of weapons and a shooting range. In his broadcasts they showed GSh-18, ПЯ, ОЦ-33, ОЦ-27 all this is in service with the FSIN, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Russian Guard.
          We are talking about a large number of models of pistols. The same thing with submachine guns, the same with combat shotguns with huge stores. All this is in service with the special forces and apparently not only. If a special forces colonel talks about how great it would be to use a smoothbore with such huge stores against the crowd (????????)
    5. Nemo April 7 2020 12: 30 New
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      There is no longer the difference between the pistols, but the difference in caliber between the pistols and the PP. The submarine 9x19, the SR-2MP 9x21. The question is, why did this?
      1. Kalmar April 7 2020 12: 36 New
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        Quote: Nemo
        The question is, why did this?

        It seems like it was meant that 9x19 is just a gun, and 9x21 is of increased power and penetration, for special tasks (when there is reason to believe that the enemy is actively using bulletproof vests). The validity of this approach at the moment raises some questions: he commented a little niche about the energy of these two calibers. Perhaps in the future there will be some even more strengthened 9x21.
        1. fk7777777 April 7 2020 16: 49 New
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          And why didn’t they like 9/25?
    6. venik April 7 2020 13: 35 New
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      Quote: CommanderDIVA
      Common sense dictates a uniform pistol for all

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      Common sense tells you just the opposite: a universal personal weapon always worse specialized! The power structures have too different requirements: the army needs a powerful, reliable, unpretentious (in field conditions), long-range weapons of great lethal force (dimensions - in second place), the Ministry of Internal Affairs - on the contrary, compact weapons (suitable for hidden carrying), with a strong stopping effect, the special forces, the Russian Guard and special services have their own requirements (in accordance with the tasks performed). .... To make "one for all" - it turns out "neither this nor that": something that does not suit ANYONE, moreover different reasons ...
      1. Zeev Zeev April 7 2020 13: 53 New
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        And now we take the Glock and look at the entire line from 17 to 23. One for all.
        1. venik April 7 2020 14: 03 New
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          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          And now we take the Glock and look at the entire line from 17 to 23. One for all.

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          Do you think that Glock-17 is convenient for hidden wearing ??? They made us laugh, they made us laugh! This is a purely army weapon, it will fit well for special police forces (open wearing) laughing
          Well, what about the “lineup from 17 to 23”, so explain what such a PRINCIPAL difference is in having 4 different models of ONE firm or 4 models of DIFFERENT firms in service? request
          1. Kalmar April 7 2020 15: 03 New
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            Quote: venik
            what is such a PRINCIPAL difference in having 4 different models of ONE firm or 4 models of DIFFERENT firms in service?

            The difference is quite large: different versions of the Glock have achieved good interchangeability in spare parts and accessories, which is quite practical.

            It’s another matter that comparing Glock with the same PY is an empty matter. PYs do not have the same number of modifications for different tasks (compact, full-sized, different calibers, etc.), so shoving it alone into all units of all power structures is irrational.
            1. venik April 7 2020 15: 30 New
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              Quote: Kalmar
              The difference is quite large: different versions of the Glock have achieved good interchangeability in spare parts and accessories, which is quite practical.

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              Well, actually it’s quite easy to reach the accessories - just say it (the standards) in the terms of reference (for example, the same “Piccatini slats”). With spare parts - yes, I agree .... But I just strongly doubt that the Army "Glock-17" and the "hidden-carrying" pistol "Glock-43" have a lot of "interchangeable spare parts" .... I really doubt it !! These are completely different models, developed for different requirements .... Only some external resemblance - rather, the Glock firm's "corporate identity" is preserved.
              1. Kalmar April 7 2020 16: 09 New
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                Quote: venik
                it’s easy to reach the accessories - just say it (standards) in the terms of reference

                In theory, making a good gun for the “Glock killer” is in principle realistic: nothing radically new appears in the industry; repeating existing solutions is entirely possible. Only all the same, far from everyone succeeds.
            2. vladcub April 8 2020 13: 10 New
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              Compare "Glock" and the same ПЯ business is empty. I agree these are not comparable pistols. Glock has ALL sizes and calibers, and Yarygin has one size and caliber. Figs with him, that he is too big, but the quality with the Pot didn’t lie next to him! That's the problem.
              I already think sometimes: if we don’t have a 100% reliable pistol, maybe there is a reason to take a western pistol? I agree Gaston will be a little expensive, but is Hehler, ChZ?
              1. Kalmar April 8 2020 22: 17 New
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                Quote: vladcub
                I already think sometimes: if we don’t have a 100% reliable pistol, maybe there is a reason to take a western pistol?

                There is a reason, but we must not forget that the “western pistol” is the products of a potential adversary. In addition to purely psychological and ideological issues, there are a lot of political risks: any contract for the supply of pistols can suddenly fail due to some new sanctions.

                Well, the potential localization of production of the "Western" model will inevitably run into the harsh realities of Russian industry. As in that joke about the Mercedes plant on the site of AvtoVAZ in Tolyatti:
                - I told you - the place is damned! And you all: "Hands are crooked, hands are crooked."
                1. vladcub April 9 2020 14: 02 New
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                  About the "crooked hands." Revolver Nagan "was born" in Liege (Belgium "), and was produced in Tula
                  Sewing machine "Podolka" - "Singer". Carabiner "Bear-3" hunting Winchester
          2. Zeev Zeev April 7 2020 15: 03 New
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            The difference in the purchase and service prices within one agency. A "Glock" is of all sizes and very many calibers.
            1. venik April 7 2020 15: 39 New
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              Quote: Zeev Zeev
              The difference in the purchase and service prices within one agency.

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              Firstly, the price of different Glock models also varies greatly.
              Secondly - why is it asked to one department for more than 2 different models? For example: Why do the military need a compact hidden-carrying pistol? And why is the police a heavy army "bandura"?
              And in general - this folly to consider that all "glocks" (from the 17th to the 43rd essence are the same in design - that's all different some models have interchangeable units, some differ from each other, like pistols of different companies) .....
              1. Kalmar April 7 2020 16: 16 New
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                Quote: venik
                Firstly, the price of different Glock models also varies greatly.

                And this is logical.

                Quote: venik
                Secondly - why is it asked to one department for more than 2 different models?

                Mm, for different tasks? Say in the Ministry of Internal Affairs:
                - a gun for hidden wearing: as compact as possible;
                - let's just say just a service gun: slightly heavy, moderately compact;
                - pistol for special forces (SOBR): increased power and capacity of the store, the ability to install additional devices (LCC, silencer, etc.).

                Quote: venik
                it’s stupid to think that all “glocks” (from the 17th to the 43rd are the same in design

                About the "same" no one said. But there is a lot in common: the same trigger (except for models with auto-fire), the same locking unit, compatible two-row shops, etc.
              2. Zeev Zeev April 7 2020 19: 11 New
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                Some are different. And for most, the difference is many details are exactly the same.
  3. Mountain shooter April 7 2020 10: 24 New
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    What a powerful cartridge! Where even 9x19 "Para" is stronger ... Russian weapons should be so - powerful and unpretentious. And there is no reason for the Rosgvardia to run with Kalash. Not CSKA.
    So the "Boa" was accepted, under the same cartridge ... For a long time, the main pistol was the "weak" Makarovsky ... and now it will be more powerful than the "Parabellum" 9x21? Yes, and it’s not bad, IMHO.
    1. Kalmar April 7 2020 11: 05 New
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      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      What a powerful cartridge! Much stronger even 9x19 "Couple"

      Correction: potentially much stronger. So there are 9x19 options with energy quite at the 9x21 level: about 630-640 J (about the same as stated for 9x21).
    2. hohkn April 7 2020 14: 24 New
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      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      And there is no reason for the Rosgvardia to run with Kalash. Not CSKA.

      And even in the North Caucasus? I do not agree. Better Kalash is not yet armed.
    3. vladcub April 8 2020 13: 52 New
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      "powerful and unpretentious" I will add RELIABLE .. PY this can not boast. We knew how to make reliable weapons: Nagan, reliable to disgrace, a three-ruler, AK or Makar, weapons that could be 100% trusted, but is Yarygin really like that? I heard from Vadyuk that the store often breaks in PY
      1. Kalmar April 8 2020 22: 24 New
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        Quote: vladcub
        RELIABLE .. PY this can not boast

        In fairness, it's not so bad there.

        Firstly, there was a stage of childhood diseases; everyone passes through it. Read the story of the creation of AK: he also did not immediately find his legendary reliability. And as far as I know, the shop at PY was redone.

        Secondly, the development of industry was slow: the usual methods in the spirit of “then we finish with a file” are poorly compatible with modern weapons. They say that now Izhmekh has begun to monitor quality more closely.

        Thirdly, in parallel with PW, the industry developed a new ammunition - 9x19. And here, too, it was not easy: the quality of the cartridges was sometimes frightening. Obviously, with lousy cartridges, even the Glock will wedge through once.
        1. vladcub April 9 2020 12: 06 New
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          In fact, high-quality cartridges mean a lot. As a child, I remember that my grandfather had a Izhevsk double-barreled barrel and 12 shells were still pre-revolutionary and he always equipped them himself. Then, ready-made with a paper sleeve appeared on sale. He ignored them, but it was not clear to me: what for do you mind fooling outfitting ammunition if there are any ready ones?
  4. BREAKTHROUGH READY April 7 2020 10: 31 New
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    That's good.
    Rosguard needs to be strengthened to the maximum.
    1. Vol4ara April 7 2020 10: 35 New
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      Quote: BREAKTHROUGH READY
      That's good.
      Rosguard needs to be strengthened to the maximum.

      What for?
      1. Lopatov April 7 2020 10: 40 New
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        Quote: Vol4ara
        Quote: BREAKTHROUGH READY
        That's good.
        Rosguard needs to be strengthened to the maximum.

        What for?



        What do you mean why???
        Narot fight!
        1. Pereira April 7 2020 11: 00 New
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          In April, the people stocks up, small and medium-sized businesses go bankrupt.
          We look forward to demonstrations in May in support of Putin and United Russia.
          Then the Rosguard will protect these peaceful demonstrations from the evil mercenaries of the West, Navalnyat, grant-eaters and other skakuaz.
          Ammo will require a lot.
          1. Lopatov April 7 2020 11: 15 New
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            Quote: Pereira
            We look forward to demonstrations in May in support of Putin and United Russia.

            And if you do not wait, do you eat your cap?
            1. Pereira April 7 2020 12: 00 New
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              Can't wait for a demonstration in support of Putin?
              I have already seen THIS.

              My cap may not be afraid of me.
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                Quote: Pereira
                My cap may not be afraid of me.

                That is, do not eat.
                For they are not ready to answer for their words in principle ...
                Accepted.
                1. Pereira April 7 2020 20: 18 New
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                  Your righteous anger and unshakable optimism inspire me with faith (pretty much squandered over the past decades) in the bright future.
                  Not everything is lost in the country if there are such people.
                  Threat Minus is not mine.
        2. Evgeny Ivanov_5 April 7 2020 11: 54 New
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          Then on the contrary, you need PKM, AK, AGS, etc.
          1. Lopatov April 7 2020 12: 11 New
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            Quote: Evgeny Ivanov_5
            Then on the contrary, you need PKM, AK, AGS, etc.

            They have it all.
        3. Piramidon April 7 2020 12: 26 New
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          Quote: Spade
          Narot fight!

          That's when, God forbid, terrorists take over your family, you will shout differently, not with three, but with a hundred exclamation points.
    2. Saratoga833 April 7 2020 10: 45 New
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      Rosguard should not be strengthened, but disbanded, and their illiterate chief, a specialist in cabbage and other vegetables, should be demoted and put on trial by a military court for theft! For the tasks of this Military Search there are Internal Troops.
      1. Lopatov April 7 2020 10: 52 New
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        Quote: Saratoga833
        Rosguard should not be strengthened, but disbanded

        I categorically support the handshake.

        Quote: Saratoga833
        For the tasks of this Military Search there are Internal Troops.

        Paragraph
        laughing laughing laughing

        You just offered to disband them
        Internal Troops became part of the Russian Guard at the stage of its formation
        1. Alexey RA April 7 2020 15: 32 New
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          Quote: Spade
          Internal Troops became part of the Russian Guard at the stage of its formation

          I would even say its foundation. On which FSUE “Okhrana”, OMON and SOBR additionally hung.

          People simply do not understand that the Rosguard is a usual rebranding of explosives with the removal of them from the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Nobody created anything again - they simply shuffled the existing cards.
          1. itarnmag April 8 2020 11: 23 New
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            How the police were renamed the police. The same eggs, only side view
      2. Artunis April 7 2020 11: 09 New
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        Yeah, and also put pots on the item replacing the head and gallop to the whisker under the distribution of cookies from uncles and aunts who will certainly support you!
      3. Evgeny Ivanov_5 April 7 2020 11: 55 New
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        Have you seen this BB? They have long been gone.
  5. Cowbra April 7 2020 10: 35 New
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    In heather in the manual - "permissible" SP cartridges to use. I emphasize - not the norm, but Mona ... since Nana
  6. yuliatreb April 7 2020 10: 45 New
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    into service with units of the FSB and FSO, as well as some special units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
    There are already no such units in the system of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
  7. Vladimir_2U April 7 2020 10: 49 New
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    The shoulder rest looks flimsy somehow.
    1. awdrgy April 7 2020 11: 12 New
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  8. Free wind April 7 2020 10: 51 New
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    Expansive, explosive, bullets in the army, can not be used against the enemy. Yes, and just try to apply. And you can against your own.
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      Quote: Free Wind
      And you can against your own.

      It depends on who is “their own”.
      For example, if for you "your" people are those who took hostages on the plane, then ... I sympathize in advance.
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        Quote: Spade
        For example, if for you "your" people are those who took hostages on the plane, then ... I sympathize in advance.

        For example, in the Soviet Union to combat terrorists who hijacked an airplane or what other objects existed:
        Office "A" ("Alpha") of the KGB of the USSR - was the first anti-terrorist unit of the USSR;
        Vympel is a “strategic” special forces unit of the First Main Directorate of the KGB of the USSR (foreign intelligence), trained, including in operations at special facilities (such as nuclear power plants);

        And, MOST IMPORTANT, None of the SOVIET CITIZEN had doubts or questions regarding the arming of these people !!!
        As to their command. And the people themselves, who served in special forces, evoked only respect and pride, for their professionalism and existence itself.
        The command, which keeps in the state of bone-breakers, who can beat women and other teenagers with batons without any need, as well as the employees of this formation, who consider such a struggle against dissent the norm, stands on the other hand from the line that separates people in uniform - real defenders , from the "holdord".
        Therefore, sincere curiosity about the need for just such a weapon from just such ... people involved is justified and, as the discussion of the article showed, is in demand ...
        hi
        1. Lopatov April 7 2020 12: 08 New
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          For example, in the Soviet Union to combat terrorists who hijacked an airplane or what other objects existed:

          Ага.
          And also the USSR had Internal Troops. To fight with your own people.
          There was also such a Soviet invention as riot police. October 3, 1988 they appeared. Also to fight with their own people
          And yes, the famous "democratizer", PR-73, was adopted, as its name implies, in 1973. For what? Guess ... That's right, to fight with your own people.


          Quote: ROSS 42
          Therefore, sincere curiosity about the need for just such a weapon from just such ... people involved is justified and, as the discussion of the article showed, is in demand ...

          I had to intersect with these "holdords". On a block on the eastern outskirts of Urus. Just Komsomolskoe was stormed, but these people, who escaped from the cordon ring, tyrannized every night. Barrels, "Flies", all concrete in tan marks. The eyes of the riot police are red, like rabbits. Every damn night they shot at the dissenters ...

          And those are such little things ... Bearded ... They are children, they should have been given a little frolic ...
        2. Okolotochny April 7 2020 13: 02 New
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          It was your beloved communists who created the first riot police, in Leningrad, the first secretary of the regional committee Gidaspov. The main goal in the creation is the CUTTING OF MASS DISORDERS !!! That is, to combat YOU !!! In the city of revolution !!! "Nightmare"!
          And for your further development - the first departments and the Office for Combating Organized Crime ("6th departments") were also created during the Soviet era !!!
          "In the USSR, sec ... no, no drugs, no crime" .....
          1. hohkn April 7 2020 14: 29 New
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            first departments

            Where is this from? The Ministry of Internal Affairs never had the first departments.
            1. Okolotochny April 7 2020 17: 37 New
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              Where is this from? The Ministry of Internal Affairs never had the first departments.

              It is necessary to read more carefully - the first departments and the Office for Combating Organized Crime (6th departments).
              Fershteyn? In the USSR, the first, not the First Glavki.
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                It is necessary to read more carefully - the first departments and the Office for Combating Organized Crime (6th departments).

                I have more than 32 years of calendar service, of which almost 25 are in the fifth department of the Organized Crime Control Department (the 6th department in girlhood). So do not write nonsense about the first departments in the Ministry of Internal Affairs. There is an OD&R, but there are no first departments and never has been.
                1. Okolotochny April 9 2020 21: 36 New
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                  You can see in Ubop they were only sitting on paperwork, stapling pieces of paper, not on operational work. Are you familiar with the Russian language? The first in the USSR, that is, especially for clerks - In the first 6th departments and administrations created in the USSR, turn on the brains, clerk.
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                    Quote: Okolotochny
                    Are you familiar with the Russian language?

                    It seems you are not familiar with him.
                    Quote: Okolotochny
                    turn on the brains, clerk.

                    Turn on yours, delusional.
                    Quote: Okolotochny
                    They sat only at paperwork, sewed pieces of paper, and not at operational work

                    Actually, in the area he started with opera. And before you offend to try, think about it, and maybe fly back.
                    Quote: Okolotochny
                    The first in the USSR, that is, especially for clerks

                    I already wrote to you - there were no first departments in the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Paperwork went through ODiR.
                    There were no subdivisions in the 6th department, and in the Organized Crime Control Department, the 1st department was far from dealing with paperwork.
                2. Okolotochny April 9 2020 21: 41 New
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                  And, for the clerks, you’re Mr. Lieutenant - at first there were no Ubopov, ORB were created, then there were exclusively Regional departments for combating organized crime - RUBOPs, and then, in the local headquarters, they created parallel Ubopy, wrap around.
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                    Quote: Okolotochny
                    wrap around.

                    Learn the letter first.
                    Quote: Okolotochny
                    At first there were no Ubopov, ORB were created

                    And does that change anything? They were just not called. 6th department, ORB, UOP, UBOP, UBOPiK, then again UBOP.
                    Quote: Okolotochny
                    then there were exclusively Regional departments for the fight against organized crime - RUBOPs, and then, in the local headquarters, they created parallel Ubops

                    You found it on some crazy site. The full-time structure comes at the same time both to leading and subordinate structures.
                    And, for that matter, then in the same 1993, for example, there was already OOP, but there were no RUOPs in sight. RUOPs appeared when this entire structure was removed from the subordination of the heads of the subjects. Learn the materiel, and you will be happy.
        3. Zeev Zeev April 7 2020 14: 01 New
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          In 1979, Alpha killed a friendly leader of a friendly state.
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            In 1979, Alpha killed a friendly leader of a friendly state.

            No need to juggle. I think that they are far from your allies ... repeat
            1. Zeev Zeev April 7 2020 19: 12 New
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              Hafizullah Amin, like the rulers of Afghanistan before him, were loyal to their northern neighbor.
          2. 3danimal April 8 2020 07: 30 New
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            You are wrong: in the newspaper Pravda then wrote that Amin was executed by the angry Afghan people. smile
        4. Alexey RA April 7 2020 16: 50 New
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          Quote: ROSS 42
          For example, in the Soviet Union to combat terrorists who hijacked an airplane or what other objects existed:

          I understand that you did not hear anything about the training companies and special forces battalions of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs. The roots of the same “Vityaz” are URSN on the basis of the 9th company of the 3rd battalion of the 2nd regiment of the OMSDON named after F. Dzerzhinsky.
          The fight against terrorism and the release of hostages in the USSR was dealt not only with the Office, but also with the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
      2. Free wind April 7 2020 11: 59 New
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        they will not send the Nazarde to release the hostages, the FSB spetsnaz will go.
        1. Lopatov April 7 2020 12: 14 New
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          Quote: Free Wind
          they will not send the Nazarde to release the hostages, the FSB spetsnaz will go.

          Well, of course...
          They will be cordoned off by the PPS officers, and they will wait for the arrival of the "FSB commando". Until you wait, you look and the situation will resolve in connection with the death of the hostages ...
        2. prodi April 7 2020 13: 16 New
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          Rosguard (USSR VV) and other ... - this is, above all, a counterweight to the army, for the authorities;
          the struggle with the people is secondary, however, it’s even worse to completely write off or transfer the “struggle with the people” to the army
          1. Sergej1972 April 7 2020 14: 06 New
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            The USSR VV was weak as a counterweight to the SA.
            1. prodi April 7 2020 15: 47 New
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              well, that, yes, although there were other tools. Here the main principle: a certain amount of "wooden" people are balanced by another quantity
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              The USSR VV was weak as a counterweight to the SA.

              Under Yeltsin it was like that.
              For example, the army was kept in a black body; VVshnikov never had any breaks in issuing money. allowances. Well and so on.
              1. Okolotochny April 7 2020 17: 39 New
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                VVshnikov never had a break in issuing den. allowances.

                This, to put it mildly, is NOT true. Why cheat members of the forum? Three to four months "hurt" (delay), like everyone else.
          2. Lopatov April 7 2020 17: 30 New
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            Rosguard (USSR VV) and other ... - this is, above all, a counterweight to the army

            You are 20 years late with this statement ... Then, yes, indeed a counterbalance.
        3. hohkn April 7 2020 14: 30 New
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          Quote: Free Wind
          they will not send the Nazarde to release the hostages, the FSB spetsnaz will go.

          Hostages in the regions will release SOBR. In some special cases, the Alpha will fly. They will still have better equipment.
          1. Okolotochny April 7 2020 17: 41 New
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            Hostages in the regions will release SOBR.

            SOBR units are now in the structure of the Russian Guard. I wrote to you above, do not try to seem smarter.
            1. hohkn April 9 2020 20: 12 New
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              I already wrote to you above, do not try to seem smarter.

              I also wrote above about the place of service to you. So I know the tasks of SOBR firsthand. You write nonsense with a serious look, not knowing the realities.
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                I served these years with these “realities”. Stop writing your drunken heresy.
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                  Do not know the actual service, do not carry your nonsense to the masses.
        4. Tank hard April 7 2020 21: 16 New
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          they will not send the Nazarde to release the hostages, the FSB spetsnaz will go.

          The opinion of the amateur. request
  9. Incvizitor April 7 2020 10: 56 New
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    Oh, now we have such a bunch of pp, on a voyage even far over a dozen will pass ...
  10. Atlant-1164 April 7 2020 11: 04 New
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    I want to remind you that the Russian Guard is not created to fight against an external enemy .. but to fight dissent and freethinkers among our people .. so let's think about who this submachine gun is against.
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      Against yours - pan-horse horses.
      What did you think?
      1. Atlant-1164 April 7 2020 12: 26 New
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        you can’t help anymore .. metastases went to the head.
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        Unfortunately, even batons and gas are not really used against our horses.
  11. DPN
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    Why are there not enough batons? For the rest, there is the Army.
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      Why are there not enough batons? For the rest, there is the Army.

      Introduced, and choked on chicory ...
      An army liberating hostages with tanks.
      Army conducting a search for runaway ZK.
      Security Army at Modern Talking Concert
      Army guarding a nuclear power plant.

      Mother-mother-mother .... They are already trying to make a branch of the Ministry of Emergencies from the Army. If you also assign the functions of the Russian Guard to it, then by its main purpose it will stupidly forget how to act ...
      1. Alexey RA April 7 2020 17: 16 New
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        An army liberating hostages with tanks.

        Yeah ... welcome to the village of Pervomaisk.
        Quote: Spade
        Army conducting a search for runaway ZK.

        - Runaways found in such a square!
        - And sprinkle them, Alyoshenka, with chalk Well, here’s the Read has a lot to do.

        Quote: Spade
        Security Army at Modern Talking Concert

        Today in the hall there were only lying places. laughing
        Quote: Spade
        Army guarding a nuclear power plant.

        Yeah ... especially considering the nuances of the possibility of using weapons by the military inside the country without introducing an emergency regime.
      2. 3danimal April 8 2020 07: 33 New
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        In Venezuela, the army was assigned to engage in oil production, dispersing lousy intellectuals and techies. Great experience that we should learn from good
        1. Kalmar April 8 2020 08: 16 New
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          Quote: 3danimal
          In Venezuela, the army was assigned to engage in oil production, dispersing lousy intellectuals and techies. Great experience that we should learn from

          Exactly, the Sechinsky freaks are not enough for us, we’ll finish the oil industry in the army way))
  12. Dzafdet April 7 2020 11: 27 New
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    invented a lot of things .. you just need to revive the production of PPS-43 and that's it ...
  13. parkello April 7 2020 11: 32 New
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    as for me, the PL-15 is a very good pistol for the police, but it’s better to give the Boa constrictor to Rosgvardia so that there would be no confusion with the ammunition for the SR. and I really like the PL as a weapon.
    1. 3danimal April 8 2020 07: 37 New
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      Not better to produce under license CZ or Glock? And then to establish the production of a replica, say, under the name P ...- 17.
      We stepped on the rake more than once, but in the 50s, instead of the PM, it was possible to copy the standard Browning HP, much like the Para cartridge. It generally could not be changed now.
      1. Kalmar April 8 2020 08: 23 New
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        Not better to produce under license CZ or Glock?

        Maybe. At least in the order of the very healthy competition that was spoken about somewhere here. True, there are some doubts that the same Izhmeh will be able to make Gloks or CZs with the proper level of quality at their facilities. To create a new production purely for these purposes is expensive and risky in the absence of a sufficiently capacious and sustainable sales market. Now, if the civilian cops were finally allowed ... But this is all a dream.
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          Alas .. The impression is that our authorities are afraid of armed citizens, as well as actively defending themselves.
          I agree, as world practice shows, the civilian market is driving development. Perhaps it would be worthwhile to privatize a number of enterprises and create conditions (legislation) for the emergence of new private ones.
      2. parkello April 8 2020 11: 36 New
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        What does it have to do, and PM? here the question is what they will buy. as for me, what they like for their work, they’ll even get it. although Glock is at least an emergency, even a submarine. just for convenience said that it’s better to take a boa constrictor, one cartridge for both samples. and here it turns out two: Luger 9 * 19mm and 9 * 21mm Serdyukov. that before Browning High Power, it was earlier copied and modified by PM even before .see TT. and cartridges .. what could they produce and adopted. they weren’t their own. They were more true, but for Nagan. Now a lot has changed, they can take what they like themselves. And not what the leadership of the Central Committee approved. when they were leading from the Central Committee, all production was state-owned, and they decided with an eye on the possibilities of the country as a whole. Now private shops want to blind under Luger, want to work under 40 Zmit-Wesson. The participant also needs to live on something .. like- then pay taxes. and to copy High Power a lot of brains are not necessary, the main thing is that your hands would grow from where you need to. The weapon starts with a cartridge. and if the cartridge is universal, then the weapon is selected accordingly. Luger there are different cartridges for marking. one psitolet works well with relatives, the other with reinforced ones with the NATO designation. and here both samples will eat one cartridge. deliveries will not reach intermittently.
        1. Kalmar April 8 2020 12: 00 New
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          just for convenience said that it’s better to take a boa constrictor, one cartridge for both samples

          It seems to me that the problem of different ammunition in peacetime is somewhat far-fetched. In the end, now, in fact, 9x18 and 9x19 are both in use by the security forces, and it is not audible that this would seriously disturb anyone.

          Quote: parkello
          and now private shops, they want to blind under Luger, they want under 40 Zmit-Wesson

          It is not easy with private shops: obtaining licenses is difficult, there are many risks (primarily legal), the sales market is very limited and peculiar.
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            in peacetime, and how long will it last, is it peacetime? what about private traders, they can do whatever they want if it leaves for export. By the way, the submarine belongs to them. if weapons are not sold primarily for export, then there’s nothing to grow at home already. and the PL-15 is a good pistol, I like it. but a private person and I proceed from the fact that it would be easy to get cartridges. and the Russian Guard is BB. were explosives became Rosguard, and they would have suited cartridges more powerful than Luger. but they want to promote the submarines let them move. maybe it will be exported soon. if I served I would choose Boa. and I would buy a submarine anyway, I like it. but I would take Boa for service. the cartridge is powerful, the armor pierces.
            1. 3danimal April 8 2020 12: 42 New
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              7n31 is the most “punchy” as far as I know.
            2. Kalmar April 8 2020 12: 52 New
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              Quote: parkello
              in peacetime, and how long will it last, is it peacetime?

              So far, there is no reason to go to martial law. There will be military time - then part of the armaments can be abandoned in favor of logistics.

              Quote: parkello
              what about private traders, then they can do whatever they want if export goes

              There is high competition on foreign markets, and the same legal risks arising from the peculiarities of Russian law and enforcement do not disappear. Few people are really ready to fit into this story. Plus sanctions, yes.

              Quote: parkello
              if weapons are not sold primarily for export, then there’s nothing to grow at home

              But why? The same Saigas and Vepri now almost do not go for export, but in the Russian market they are in more or less steady demand. Here the price and availability of related products (spare parts, accessories) play a role.

              Quote: parkello
              were explosives became Rosguard, and they would have suited cartridges more powerful than Luger

              About this already wrote: “Luger” is quite possible to catch up in power to the current 9x21. Again, it depends heavily on the tasks, and the list of the WGs is quite wide. Say, for the dispersal of senior citizens “Boa” is definitely redundant.

              Quote: parkello
              for the service would have taken Boa constrictor. the cartridge is powerful, the armor pierces.

              It depends on what service. I doubt very much that every Russian guard regularly encounters terrorists chained in armor; for such clients there are corresponding units within the WG.
              1. parkello April 8 2020 13: 00 New
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                Saigi and Vepri sold quite a lot abroad, especially to the gendarmerie and the police. our cops saig 12 have. and there are many on hand, especially in villages that are closer to Bulgaria or to the Albanian border. I know 4-5 people, hunters, bought Saigi. it’s just that we and the hunters are not so many. and Saiga is a good shotgun, with all the nozzles in general sweetie. chok, mok ... paradox. who understands the weapons they immediately bought. and a running cartridge 12 * 76mm Magnum. now about terrorists in armor ... it may not be in armor, but it’s quite beyond the shelter of stone or brick. so it’s better to have more powerful weapons than regret later.
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                  Quote: parkello
                  Saigi and Vepri sold quite a bit abroad, especially to the gendarmerie and the police

                  I don’t know for the police and gendarmerie, it’s unlikely that a lot of “saigas” were sold under this case. The fact is that the export of these shirts has long been covered by sanctions. But they’re still doing it.

                  Quote: parkello
                  Saiga is a good gun, with all the nozzles in general sweetie

                  I don’t argue, he himself has one. True, there are many questions on the quality of manufacturing: walks in a fairly wide range. Export samples, of course, were licked and checked more thoroughly.

                  Quote: parkello
                  about terrorists in armor ... in armor it may not be, but behind a shelter made of stone or brick it’s quite

                  Here you and the "Boa" is not an assistant. Here it is already necessary in the direction of .44 Magnum and .50 AE to watch))
        2. 3danimal April 8 2020 12: 41 New
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          TT - a crooked copy of the M1911 under another cartridge. With all the flaws. Therefore, ideally it was to produce under license first. The stupid and dangerous policy of the Union, with religious goals, to convert more countries to communism, spending a lot of resources with a very small (economy) exhaust, greatly interfered with it.
          1. parkello April 8 2020 12: 47 New
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            Well already what was it was. there was a lot of curve. but now times have changed. it’s a pity that the majority of old habits remained. but also pass. by the way Colt 1911 itself is also a copy of the same Browning. only under your patron. Browning was originally at 7,65 .. my friend had one. old, old .. during the Balkan wars. from the partisans remained. either from the Greeks or from the Italian communists. cartridge from Mauser, the same TT.
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              M1911 copy of an earlier pistol.
              The 13-charge HP is much more efficient and flexible than both the 1911 and PM.
  14. faterdom April 7 2020 11: 41 New
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    Does anyone know why at the Picatinny Rail Station? To put a camcorder there for shooting from around the corner?
    1. Bacha April 7 2020 12: 04 New
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      LTSU, very convenient.
      1. dvina71 April 7 2020 12: 29 New
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        Quote: Bacha
        LTSU, very convenient.

        Not really, rather .. Even more so .. in the dark, dust the beam gives off a radiation source ..
        But the collimator .. on such distance is very convenient.
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          The Picattini collimator makes the gun bulky. Another thing is a compact open, with the installation instead of the rear sight.
          The lantern is often hung on the lower bar.
    2. hhurik April 7 2020 12: 31 New
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      I can not imagine a modern rifle without the ability to easily remove / put a flashlight, optics, a thermal imager, a nightlight and everything else. Tea, 21st century - composite ships of Elon Mask plow the expanses of the universe.
  15. Lamata April 7 2020 11: 44 New
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    Yes, give them at once the Kernel loaf. That would have sensed themselves as boys.
  16. Azazelo April 7 2020 11: 49 New
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    Wow ... there special ammunition is secretly passed, anyway anyone does not get it.
    1. hhurik April 7 2020 12: 44 New
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      I don’t know about the state secrets, and what could be secret there - but linking to the world's only manufacturer of unique ammunition is not good. I remember that at one time I used it as a regular PSM on a regular basis, so in the mid-90s, TPZ stupidly ceased to produce ammunition, even there was nothing to do training firing. They handed over in chorus to the warehouses, armed with PM - well, it’s strange, everything was heaped up to him. PSM was a frankly worthless bullet, neither a candle nor a damn poker.
      1. Lamata April 7 2020 12: 51 New
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        Well worthless, weapons of last chance.
      2. faterdom April 7 2020 13: 26 New
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        Well why, PSM to wear could be hidden, even for an experienced eye. Because unexpectedly flat gun. And yes, I don’t even know whether he’s good or bad, they’ve never been given a shot at firing ammunition, and nobody will voluntarily shoot bk - it’s fraught with sideways ...
        1. Lamata April 7 2020 13: 35 New
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          So what . could not get a couple of rounds? To smell how the trunk behaves.
      3. hohkn April 7 2020 14: 36 New
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        Quote: hhurik
        PSM was a frankly worthless bullet, neither a candle nor a damn poker.

        They took the client for a series of robberies. He from the second floor through the window ciganul. From lunch, the head of the criminal walked past, carrying the PSM with him. He shot down a fly from one shot. As a result, the entrance in the ass turned the intestines and went under the skin of the thigh. The wounded man managed to escape, found after about 10-15 minutes. They didn’t get to the hospital ...
        Quote: faterdom
        I don’t even know if he is good or bad

        Let's just say inconvenient. And when you put it on the fuse, you often bite your skin with a trigger.
  17. slasha April 7 2020 12: 17 New
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    I wonder who the police and gendarmes will use this automatic weapon against? Really so many terrorists divorced? Then the FSB does not work.
    1. Lopatov April 7 2020 12: 36 New
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      Quote: slasha
      I wonder who the police and gendarmes will use this automatic weapon against? Really so many terrorists divorced? Then the FSB does not work.

      Against dissenters ...
      Some have such a strong bone that they simply can’t get to the brain without automatic weapons and an armor-piercing cartridge.
      1. NordUral April 7 2020 20: 34 New
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        You are a good man, Lopatov.
        1. Incvizitor April 8 2020 02: 23 New
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          There was a good yanyk, the result is very sad.
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        "We strangled these dissidents, strangled ..."
    2. Lamata April 7 2020 13: 08 New
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      They themselves come to their senses, for themselves.
  18. riwas April 7 2020 13: 20 New
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    In the basic kit, the submachine gun is equipped with a sight with two marks: when firing at 150 meters and at 200 meters.
    1. riwas April 8 2020 08: 03 New
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      Another picture.
  19. faterdom April 7 2020 13: 31 New
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    Quote: riwas
    In the basic set, the submachine gun is equipped with a sight with two marks: when firing at 150 meters and at 200 meters.

    In fact, God forbid to shoot using a device with a person who has AKM or worse. There is no chance, unless that subscriber knows where to click ...
    Why did I ask about the Picatinny rail - the real effective combat distance of this weapon is 30 meters, well 40 meters. And why burden it with a thermal imager, or whatever. Well, a flashlight in the dark basements alright ...
    1. riwas April 7 2020 13: 47 New
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      Well yes. The PPSh also had a cross over sight at 100 and 200 meters (and in the early and even more - 500 meters), and they shot mainly at short distances.
    2. hhurik April 8 2020 00: 12 New
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      Now a weaver or picatinny drive even on pistols. The Narodnik went blind, computers and gadgets spoil his eyesight by the least indulge. Anyway, the optics on the rifled - hurt by default, now there is something for every taste - with the brand’s illumination with a fiber light detector and a tritium phosphorus lamp. With reliability no less than the life of the bullet itself and weighing a couple of hundred grams.
  20. Lamata April 7 2020 14: 17 New
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    A couple of days ago, an old friend, the police underground (Kazakhstan) said, people, slowly, are starting to not be afraid of cops, they lifted up.
  21. Tank hard April 7 2020 16: 55 New
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    Good machine for their own purposes.
    1. NordUral April 7 2020 20: 33 New
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      Yes, it’s suitable to shoot at people.
      1. dvina71 April 8 2020 10: 48 New
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        Quote: NordUral
        Yes, it’s suitable to shoot at people.

        Dude .. with your avatar .. you have to keep silent on this subject ..
        Novocherkassk shooting ..
        According to official figures, during the suppression of the uprising 26 people were killed, another 87 were injured. How many victims and victims were actually, it is not known exactly. They did not give out corpses to their families. The executed were buried in different cemeteries under cover of night.
  22. slavinsk April 7 2020 19: 22 New
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    With such a short barrel, only shoot into the crowd, why are the internal troops such weapons? What answer, who admires this?
    1. Alexey RA April 7 2020 19: 38 New
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      Quote: slavinsk
      With such a short barrel, only shoot into the crowd, why are the internal troops such weapons? What answer, who admires this?

      Why for shooting in the crowd high penetration cartridges - 9x21 - and a store for 20-30 rounds?
      This is a software for working in cramped conditions - in the same apartments and houses - against targets in bulletproof vests and other protection. In short, against the poor bearded children.
      Yes, by the way, these also armed just to shoot the crowd? wink
    2. NordUral April 7 2020 20: 28 New
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      For this, they are also arming to shoot us, slavinsk.
      1. Tank hard April 7 2020 21: 19 New
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        Quote: NordUral
        For this, they are arming to shoot at us

        Well, if you're from a bearded child, then anything is possible. request
        1. NordUral April 7 2020 23: 33 New
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          I did not expect such nonsense from you.
          1. Tank hard April 7 2020 23: 37 New
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            Quote: NordUral
            I did not expect such nonsense from you.

            What is hello, so is the answer... request
  23. NordUral April 7 2020 20: 26 New
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    The Russian Guard is adopting the SR-2MP Veresk submachine gun
    Today, 10: 11

    Oh, there would be a Kalash hanging on the wall, and under the bed there’s a box of cartridges and a box of charges to the grenade launcher.
    Wow, the "guard" is seriously arming against the people.
    1. Tank hard April 7 2020 21: 22 New
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      Quote: NordUral
      Oh, there would be a Kalash hanging on the wall, and under the bed there’s a box of cartridges and a box of charges to the grenade launcher

      Why is a law-abiding citizen such an arsenal ?! And for hunting and civilian weapons, training and a certificate from a psychiatrist are needed. Who can’t (about help), I’m not to blame. repeat
      1. NordUral April 7 2020 23: 21 New
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        Why is a law-abiding citizen such an arsenal ?!

        Why do these “guardsmen” need such an arsenal?
        1. Tank hard April 7 2020 23: 26 New
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          Why do these “guardsmen” need such an arsenal?

          To solve a variety of tasks. I thought you know ... repeat
          1. NordUral April 7 2020 23: 32 New
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            Duck and I have dreams for solving the task of protecting my family at my home. These certainly won't protect me.
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              Quote: NordUral
              Duck and I have dreams for solving the task of protecting my family at my home.

              As if a button accordion had already been torn up on the topic of protecting the house, even in VO, and you have all the tasks. Help from doctors, training in a special institution, everything is in your hands. request
              Quote: NordUral
              These certainly won't protect me.

              I am sure that you are mistaken, but personally, I would not defend many. repeat
              1. NordUral April 7 2020 23: 37 New
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                And I do not hope for protection.
      2. NordUral April 8 2020 22: 58 New
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        And if I had, I wouldn’t ask. I just don’t have it, I’m really a law-abiding citizen. But I didn’t think about weapons before. There were no animals to kill the draft, so I didn’t buy anything from hunting and some saigas. And now, in my eighth dozen, no one will sell me. It's a pity.
        1. Tank hard April 9 2020 08: 36 New
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          Quote: NordUral
          And if I had, I wouldn’t ask. I just don’t have it, I’m really a law-abiding citizen. But I didn’t think about weapons before. There were no animals to kill the draft, so I didn’t buy anything from hunting and some saigas. And now, in my eighth dozen, no one will sell me. It's a pity.

          By and large, in case of serious emergencies, I think the police will seize weapons from respectable citizens. So staff ... request
          1. NordUral April 9 2020 12: 12 New
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            Over in the States they tried to do this, and the people were outraged armed. True, we do not have the States, few have curtained walls with weapons, and even then, only those who themselves need to be put against the wall.
            Yes, hunters yet.
    2. your1970 April 7 2020 22: 36 New
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      Wow, the "guard" is seriously arming against the people.

      Dzerzhinsky’s division received new AK-74 simultaneously with the USSR CA ....
      Seriously preparing a purely Moscow division to fight against the people of the USSR in the late 70's ????
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        Those who prepared the collapse of the USSR did not realize that the people of the USSR turned out to be weak on the head, and even cowardly. I'm not an exception. That's why they were preparing.
  24. forester1971 April 7 2020 21: 03 New
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    It is very interesting to read comments on articles where there is something about Rosguard, and it doesn’t matter - about weapons, communications, or even about field kitchens, for example. Anyway, different “good people” will come running and start shouting about “fighting the people”, “watch dogs of the bloody regime”, “guardsmen” and the like. At the same time, without even wondering what the article was about. Directly some kind of indicator for a certain category of citizens (though it is not clear which country).
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      Quote: Forester1971
      It is very interesting to read comments on articles where there is something about Rosguard, and it doesn’t matter - about weapons, communications, or even about field kitchens, for example. Anyway, different “good people” will come running and start shouting about “fighting the people”, “watch dogs of the bloody regime”, “guardsmen” and the like. At the same time, without even wondering what the article was about. Direct indicator of some kind for a certain category of citizens (though it is not clear which country)

      True, when they touch them personally, they shout help, where are you, we pay taxes. If they can scream, the end ... It’s just not touched yet, but what are their years? laughing
    2. NordUral April 7 2020 23: 29 New
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      Tell me, forester1971, but for what this "guard" is this:
      1. Alexey RA April 8 2020 11: 33 New
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        Quote: NordUral
        Tell me, forester1971, but for what this "guard" is this:

        In order not to suppress riots with the help of armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, like the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR.

        Oh, and by the way, why were there tanks, artillery and aircraft in the Soviet explosives? And 31 division?
        1. NordUral April 8 2020 12: 07 New
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          I did not serve in the internal troops and I do not know why the VV tanks, etc.
          But the fact that now the "guard" is arming against the people - I understand that.
          Thieves are preparing for the rebellion of the people.
          1. Nameless April 10 2020 01: 01 New
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            You look like a good fellow, a fighter ... laughing
            1. NordUral April 10 2020 10: 30 New
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              The rats are all upstairs, Nameless.
              1. Nameless April 10 2020 22: 14 New
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                And you began to be an honest, conscientious and disinterested fighter for the happiness of the working people - a kind of Danko, yes laughing ?
                1. NordUral April 11 2020 11: 25 New
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                  No, just a man in his place, with his head and hands. And I think about what country will remain for our children and grandchildren with these rats upstairs, if at all.
                  1. Nameless April 11 2020 22: 12 New
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                    Oh, well, it's full of you to tell yourself how good you are \ white \ fluffy and how worried about your future lol country. I know about hypocrisy, and about social engineering, and about insinuations, and about a lot of other things - so you can not tell me your fables about "how it used to be good", "everything was lost" and "Putin is to blame for everything."
                    I also know very well that some countries do not like very much the fact that despite some remaining internal problems, we have risen from our knees and have been actively interfering in other people's affairs for the past 7-8 years, defending our interests. That's why they are trying to arrange a coup - so that the country is again mired in internal problems (a la new 90s or 1917th and 1937) and strife, and we had no time for business abroad. And you, five-column agitators, under the guise of communists and liberals, are trying in every way possible to contribute to this, under the guise of "free, objective and truthful" information, insinuating the president, the government and the state in the eyes and minds of citizens. Only one thing is not familiar to you: it is that our country is not a banana republic, in which presidents and the government change violently every year under the pretext that the current ones are corrupt and corrupt in the interests of the West. The lessons of the 1918s and 90s have been completely learned by us.
                    PS - children and grandchildren should work like the previous generation, and not rest on its laurels and labor results as majors. In this case, the state will not rot.
                    1. NordUral April 12 2020 11: 48 New
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                      Oh, well, it's full of you to tell yourself how good \ white \ fluffy you are and how worried about the future of your country’s lol.

                      I am not white and far from fluffy, with people like you, even evil.
                      I know about hypocrisy, and about social engineering, and about insinuations, and about a lot of other things - so you can not tell me your fables about "how it used to be good", "everything was lost" and "Putin is to blame for everything."

                      I never wrote that everything was fine before, do not distort.
                      And you, five-column agitators under the guise of communists and liberals, are trying in every way possible to contribute to this, under the guise of "free, objective and truthful" information, insinuating the president, the government and the state in the eyes and minds of citizens.

                      The fifth column is the power of Russia today.

                      Only one thing is not familiar to you: it is that our country is not a banana republic, in which presidents and the government change violently every year under the pretext that the current ones are corrupt and corrupt in the interests of the West. The lessons of the 1918s and 90s have been completely learned by us.

                      Yes, Somalia has not yet been reached.

                      PS - children and grandchildren should work like the previous generation, and not rest on its laurels and labor results as majors. In this case, the state will not rot.

                      Speak well. The majors, having read, will immediately begin to work. And for the rest, decent jobs will appear.
                      1. Nameless April 12 2020 15: 14 New
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                        Quote: NordUral
                        I never wrote that everything was fine before, do not distort.

                        This is a derivative generalization from all lamentations on a similar theme to all agitators like you.

                        Quote: NordUral
                        The fifth column is the power of Russia today.

                        Do not be impudent. It can be seen that you are guided either by the audience of puberty - who will take what you say in a word, or by those who have not seen white light all their lives sitting indoors. With me, such tricks will not work.

                        Quote: NordUral
                        Yes, Somalia has not yet been reached.

                        And why not immediately post-nuclear wasteland a la "Mad Max 3"? laughing

                        Quote: NordUral
                        Speak well. The majors, having read, will immediately begin to work. And for the rest, decent jobs will appear.

                        This is a question parenting, the impact of culture and education, not the current social system. If that’s the case, the so-called majors ("Young Immoral Redneck Secured by Parents") were in the USSR too - children of diplomats are worth it!
                        You also have a good time with eloquence: there is artistry, pathos, and a claim for literature in the air -
                        Quote: NordUral
                        I think about what country will remain for our children and grandchildren with these rats upstairs
                        laughing
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                        Do not be impudent. It can be seen that you are guided either by the audience of puberty - who will take what you say in a word, or by those who have not seen white light all their lives sitting indoors. With me, such tricks will not work.

                        You better turn your head on, and then advise.
                      3. Nameless April 13 2020 16: 04 New
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                        Okay, continue to play your role as a “fighter for all good and against all bad” - you might think that from the fact that I am writing comments to you, you would agree that I am writing about you.
                      4. NordUral April 13 2020 16: 07 New
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                        Let's settle for a draw, but butt is no good. And time will put everything in its place and appreciate
                      5. Nameless April 13 2020 16: 14 New
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                        I agree that spring will show who crap where laughing
                        Draw? Nah! Almost all of the popular resources in Runet, even those that have no (even distant) relation to politics, have already been spoiled by people like you with their wrestling comments. Thanks to people like you, after hard working days, people now have no peace and no opportunity to rest morally while reading articles on their favorite resource. So now you will not know my peace.
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                        Frightened the hedgehog with a bare fifth point.
  • 16112014nk April 7 2020 21: 54 New
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    And with whom is the Rosguard going to fight?
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      And with whom is the Rosguard going to fight?
      and with whom did BB fight in the USSR?
      The tasks are the same word for word .....
  • Uncle Izya April 8 2020 10: 01 New
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    Something a lot of them divorced pp, but what about pp-hero, pp2000?
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      PP2000 is quite used by the FSVNG staff - in particular, private security.
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    Not better to produce under license CZ or Glock?

    Glock do but there is a price tag ....
  • Pushkar April 8 2020 13: 58 New
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    "At present, this submachine gun is in service with the FSB and FSO units, as well as some special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs." But why is the Russian Guard? It is "a state military organization in the Russian Federation, designed to ensure state and public security, protect the rights and freedoms of man and citizen; converted from the internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia." Which of the protesters walks in class 2 bulletproof vests?
    1. Nameless April 10 2020 09: 02 New
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      Do not pretend to be stupid. In your opinion, the protection of public order is the only task performed by the FSWNG? But what about:
      1). protection of important state facilities, special cargoes, facilities on communications in accordance with the lists approved by the Government of the Russian Federation;
      2). participation in the fight against terrorism and extremism;
      3). participation in ensuring regimes of emergency, martial law, the legal regime of counter-terrorism operations;
      4). participation in the territorial defense of the Russian Federation;
      5). assisting the border agencies of the federal security service in protecting the state border of the Russian Federation;
      6). federal state control (supervision) over compliance with the legislation of the Russian Federation in the field of arms trafficking and in the field of private security and private detective activities, as well as for ensuring the security of the fuel and energy complex, the activities of legal entities with special statutory tasks and departmental security units ;
      7). the protection of particularly important and sensitive facilities, facilities subject to mandatory protection by the troops of the national guard, in accordance with the list approved by the Government of the Russian Federation, the protection of property of individuals and legal entities under contracts;
      8). ensuring, by a decision of the President of the Russian Federation, the security of senior officials of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation (heads of the highest executive bodies of state power of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation) and other persons.
  • vladcub April 8 2020 14: 06 New
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    You are wrong: in the newspaper Pravda then wrote that Amin was executed by the angry Afghan people. smile

    There are stories of former “Alfovites” about how they stormed Amin’s Palace. And there, something NOBODY saw the "angry Afghan people." In fairy tales, it was not like that.
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    For special services, police structures, I agree, for example, in the police of different states in the USA, but it is economically and strategically more profitable for us to have a single pistol for all security forces (for example Nagan, TT and PM for many years), and for the development of super-healthy competition among Russian manufacturers of pistols to enter the foreign market, I haven’t heard anything about the supply of our pistols to other countries

    They may have different requirements for a pistol: for army soldiers, a pistol is a weapon of self-defense for officers and some other categories of military personnel — they don’t go on the attack with him, so a simple and reliable weapon that doesn’t fail is ready for battle immediately after being removed from Holsters and will certainly hit the enemy. For law enforcement officials, a pistol is already a type of service weapon, there may already be other requirements: a high stopping power of a cartridge, a large magazine, the use of polymers in a structure to lighten weight, the absence of the possibility of an accidental shot, etc. - i.e. all that would be unnecessary to the army team in the gun. Give the special forces of all departments the opportunity to install a silencer, a firing center, tritium inserts, anatomical pads on the handle and other tactical bells and whistles that are unnecessary for ordinary warriors and police officers. Give bodyguards a hidden-carrying pistol - extremely short-barrel, narrow and low in height - which suggests that the sample will be with a small store, but which can be hidden under clothes. All these requirements, to one degree or another, determine the future performance characteristics and appearance of the weapon - and therefore each department orders a gun purely for its specificity and military service activities.