The Russian Guard is adopting the SR-2MP Veresk submachine gun

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The Russian Guard is adopting the SR-2MP Veresk submachine gun

The Russian Guard will adopt the SR-2MP submachine gun, an appropriate procedure is currently underway. It is reported by RIA News with reference to the source in power structures.

In the Russian Guard, measures are being taken to take into service the national guard of the Russian Federation 9x21-mm submachine gun SR-2MP

- The interlocutor of the agency said, without going into details.



The submachine gun SR-2MP "Veresk" is a modernized version of the sub-machine gun CP-2M, equipped with Picatinny rails with the possibility of equipping a silencer. Currently, this submachine gun is in service with the FSB and FSO units, as well as some special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

A submachine gun was developed at TsNIITochmash in the city of Klimovsk and was first shown to the public in 1999. Heather was created as weaponcapable of hitting the enemy in individual means of armor of the second class at a distance of 200 m and unarmored vehicles at a distance of up to 100 m

The caliber - 9X21, was originally developed under the powerful cartridge of increased penetration of the design of Serdyukov SP-10. It can use cartridges SP-10 (with a bullet with a special steel core of increased armor penetration), SP-11 (with a low-resilient bullet with a lead core), SP-12 (with an expansive bullet of increased stopping power), SP-13 (with a tracer bullet).

Earlier it was reported about the plans of the Russian Guard to adopt the Lebedev pistol (PL-15) instead of the PM and the RPK-16 light machine gun instead of the outdated RPK-74.
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    1. 0
      April 7 2020 10: 21
      All is well, that is in favor.
      1. +8
        April 7 2020 10: 43
        Shot, a gorgeous thing. He shot at the same time from the NK MP-5; Heather was much more liked, more convenient.
        1. +7
          April 7 2020 14: 55
          SR-2 Heather:
          The SR-2 Veresk submachine gun was designed by the Klimov FSI TsNIITOCHMASH (Central Scientific Research Institute of Precision Engineering) on ​​instructions from the FSB of Russia in the mid-1990s. For the first time this submachine gun was shown in 1999 under the designation CP-2 (Special Development 2) and the name "Heather". Later, an improved version of it was created, which received the designation SR-2M “Heather” and is distinguished mainly by the presence on the fore-end of the folding front handle for holding weapons with two hands. The 9-mm submachine gun CP-2M is an automatic melee weapon and is designed to destroy manpower, including using personal protective equipment, at ranges of up to 200 m. For shooting, powerful domestic pistol cartridges 9x21 - SP-10 and SP-11.
          Together with the CP.1 pistol, SP-10 and SP-11 cartridges and the “KP SR-2” single-sight collimator sight, the Veresk submachine gun is part of a high-performance rifle complex capable of hitting the enemy in second-class personal protective equipment at a distance of 200 m and unarmored vehicles at a distance of up to 100 m. The SR-2M Veresk provides 100% penetration of a 4-mm steel sheet at a distance of 70 m. The Veresk submachine gun is designed to use various 9x21 mm cartridges: SP10 with steel core armored penetration; SP11 - with a bullet with a lead core; SP12 - with an expansive bullet providing increased stopping power; SP13 - with a tracer bullet. The stopping effect of bullets of cartridges SP-11 and SP-13 is 1,5-2 times higher than that of 9 × 18 PM.





          Specifications SR-2 Heather:
          Caliber: 9 × 21 (SP.10, 7N29 and other options)
          Weapon Length: 603/367 mm
          Barrel length: 173 mm
          Weapon Width: 46 mm
          Weight unloaded: 1,6 kg.
          Rate of Shooting: 900 fps / min
          Magazine capacity: 20 or 30 cartridges
          Specifications SR-2M Heather:
          Caliber: 9 × 21 (SP.10, 7N29 and other options)
          Weapon Length: 603/367 mm
          Barrel length: 172 mm
          Weapon Width: 41 mm
          Weapon height: 190 mm
          Weight unloaded: 1,65 kg.
          Rate of Shooting: 820 fps / min
          Magazine capacity: 20 or 25 cartridges
        2. +3
          April 7 2020 15: 03
          the location of the Fuse on the right side is surprising and the shoulder rest is too long in my opinion. Is it convenient?
          I'm not going to hait, I just ask those who used
        3. 0
          April 7 2020 17: 08
          But does he kill does not hurt?
          1. +2
            April 8 2020 11: 25
            No, patting her shoulder gently.
    2. +18
      April 7 2020 10: 23
      "Earlier it was reported about the plans of the Russian Guard to adopt the Lebedev pistol (PL-15) instead of the PM" - the Ministry of Defense planned to take the pistol "Boa" into service, the FSB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs had Yarygin's pistol already in service, such a variety of pistols in law enforcement agencies ? Common Sense Suggests One Pistol for All
      1. +9
        April 7 2020 10: 59
        Quote: CommanderDIVA
        Common sense dictates a uniform pistol for all

        A gun is not a very expensive toy. For police structures in peacetime, having several different models of pistols in service is not a problem. But you can have a weapon that is more suitable for specific tasks, plus conditionally-healthy competition between manufacturers is somehow supported.
        1. +4
          April 7 2020 11: 08
          For special services, police structures, I agree, for example, in the police of different states in the USA, but it is economically and strategically more profitable for us to have a single pistol for all security forces (for example Nagan, TT and PM for many years), and for the development of super-healthy competition among Russian manufacturers of pistols to enter the foreign market, I haven’t heard anything about the supply of our pistols to other countries
          1. +2
            April 7 2020 12: 01
            Quote: CommanderDIVA
            it is economically and strategically more profitable for us to have a single gun for all security officials

            All security officials have their own budgets, so I do not foresee any particular benefits here.

            Quote: CommanderDIVA
            for the development of super-healthy competition among Russian manufacturers of pistols it is necessary to enter the foreign market

            Dreams, dreams ... Let's face it: our "pistol building" at the current stage is not in a shape to successfully compete on the foreign market. Plus more sanctions.
            1. +1
              April 8 2020 11: 19
              We have not been developing new pistols for so long that we could be left behind forever. And to enter the external oversaturated market is probably already hopeless. Russia has no allies to supply our pistols and submachine guns
          2. +10
            April 7 2020 12: 29
            "I have not heard anywhere about the supply of our pistols to other countries," the fact of the matter is that almost half of the world chose Glock (fortunately, they come in all calibers).
            PS.Our pistols are unlikely to compete in the West.
            In my opinion: we need to allow short-barrels. At least a "castrated" version of the type: "Baikal"
            1. +5
              April 7 2020 14: 17
              Well, so, in all countries, pistols adopted by the army are first practiced on the civilian market - reliability, quality, ease of use, etc. And then the MO of countries selects the appropriate one.
              We do not have such an approach and will not be in connection with the complete absence now and in the future of the arms market in Russia. And not only short-trunks. Alas ...
            2. +10
              April 7 2020 14: 58
              Svyatoslav, if you are allowed a short barrel, then the Russian Guard will immediately adopt anti-tank guns. laughing You see that the last is not taken away ...
            3. 0
              April 7 2020 16: 44
              That's right Glock, Remington, Colt, Czechs cz, the Germans trying to get there well they get it. Well, perhaps everything from which it is possible to choose something worthwhile for yourself.
          3. +7
            April 7 2020 13: 20
            And do not hear. We don’t have pistols in use, you can’t. Do not sell at home, do not sell abroad.
          4. 0
            April 9 2020 07: 52
            it is economically more profitable for us to give out not a gun, but a stick, as in India.
            (Yes, it’s just a golden dream of the government, and put the saved money on something interesting)
        2. +4
          April 7 2020 11: 14
          Quote: Kalmar
          For police structures in peacetime, having several different models of pistols in service is not a problem.

          Rather, even the opposite is a necessity.

          Because there is a need for both combat and service weapons. Especially for such "transitional" structures as the National Guard
      2. +6
        April 7 2020 11: 13
        Quote: CommanderDIVA
        such a variety of pistols in law enforcement agencies, why? Common sense dictates a uniform pistol for all

        The main thing is that the ammunition is the same. In the Russian imperial army, an officer could buy a pistol (revolver) he liked as a personal weapon for his own money, if he did not like the regular "Nagan"
        1. +5
          April 7 2020 12: 22
          A small clarification: in the RIA, officers could acquire for wearing OUTSIDE. Browning, Colt and a small number of Lugers
          1. +2
            April 7 2020 17: 04
            Quote: vladcub
            A small clarification: in the RIA, officers could acquire for wearing OUTSIDE. Browning, Colt and a small number of Lugers

            Mauser forgot. Although it was expensive, not all officers could afford it, but it was allowed to be worn.
        2. -3
          April 7 2020 16: 47
          A gun is when the clip in the handle is located, and a revolver is when the drum or clip is pulled out of the handle, for example, a Mauser.
          1. +2
            April 7 2020 17: 10
            Quote: fk7777777
            The gun is when the clip in the handle is

            But am I against it? request
          2. +1
            April 9 2020 13: 14
            Actually, a revolver is a movement (French). There are ready charges in the drum and after each shot the drum rotates giving a new charge. Now almost ALL 6 revolvers are charging.
            In the Republic of Ingushetia, the city policemen were armed with 6 charging revolvers. Smith Honestly with a round bullet, and the army relied on the 7th loading revolver Nagan.
            The gun cartridges are in the store. The store is located in the handle, less often in front of the trigger. Mauser, Zimell, Staer.
            The magazine in the handle is more practical: the pistol is more compact and better balanced. I advise about all this: Fedoseev, "All the pistols of the world" and Zhuk: "Pistols, revolvers. Rifles, machine guns." Personally, the Beetle seemed to me better: more illustrations (made by the author himself)
      3. +5
        April 7 2020 12: 08
        Actually, the topic is: PM receiver, it has been said a thousand times. Clearly hurried with Yarygin
        1. +1
          April 7 2020 17: 05
          Quote: vladcub
          Clearly hurried with Yarygin

          Definitely!
      4. +1
        April 7 2020 12: 25
        Most likely they will go into service in a small amount, exclusively for specialists. But in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Federal Penitentiary Service, and the Russian Guard, it’s really a assortment of pistols; You watch the programs, well, at least with Badyuk, which is only in the FSIN and the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
        1. 0
          April 8 2020 12: 44
          Baduk is a good author, but it would be great if there would be a similar author. I do not know this
          1. 0
            April 10 2020 05: 24
            The Baduk is only transmitting in which various types of weapons are in service. Mostly FSIN. Apparently I was able to agree with them on the filming of the provision of weapons and a shooting range. In his broadcasts they showed GSh-18, ПЯ, ОЦ-33, ОЦ-27 all this is in service with the FSIN, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Russian Guard.
            We are talking about a large number of models of pistols. The same thing with submachine guns, the same with combat shotguns with huge stores. All this is in service with the special forces and apparently not only. If a special forces colonel talks about how great it would be to use a smoothbore with such huge stores against the crowd (????????)
      5. +3
        April 7 2020 12: 30
        There is no longer the difference between the pistols, but the difference in caliber between the pistols and the PP. The submarine 9x19, the SR-2MP 9x21. The question is, why did this?
        1. +3
          April 7 2020 12: 36
          Quote: Nemo
          The question is, why did this?

          It seems like it was meant that 9x19 is just a gun, and 9x21 is of increased power and penetration, for special tasks (when there is reason to believe that the enemy is actively using bulletproof vests). The validity of this approach at the moment raises some questions: he commented a little niche about the energy of these two calibers. Perhaps in the future there will be some even more strengthened 9x21.
          1. +1
            April 7 2020 16: 49
            And why didn’t they like 9/25?
      6. +4
        April 7 2020 13: 35
        Quote: CommanderDIVA
        Common sense dictates a uniform pistol for all

        ========
        Common sense tells you just the opposite: a universal personal weapon always worse specialized! The power structures have too different requirements: the army needs a powerful, reliable, unpretentious (in field conditions), long-range weapons of great destructive power (dimensions are in second place), the Ministry of Internal Affairs is, on the contrary, a compact weapon (suitable for concealed carry), with a strong stopping effect, the special forces, the National Guard and the special services have their own requirements (in accordance with the tasks performed). .... To make "one for all" - it will turn out "neither this nor that": something that ANYONE does not like, and different reasons ...
        1. +1
          April 7 2020 13: 53
          And now we take the Glock and look at the entire line from 17 to 23. One for all.
          1. +5
            April 7 2020 14: 03
            Quote: Zeev Zeev
            And now we take the Glock and look at the entire line from 17 to 23. One for all.

            ========
            Do you think that Glock-17 is convenient for hidden wearing ??? They made us laugh, they made us laugh! This is a purely army weapon, it will fit well for special police forces (open wearing) laughing
            Well, about the "line from 17 to 23", so explain what is the PRINCIPAL difference in whether to have 4 different models of the same company in service or 4 models of different companies? request
            1. +1
              April 7 2020 15: 03
              Quote: venik
              what is such a PRINCIPAL difference in having 4 different models of ONE firm or 4 models of DIFFERENT firms in service?

              The difference is quite large: different modifications of the Glock have achieved good interchangeability for spare parts and accessories, which is quite practical.

              It's another matter that comparing the Glock and the same PY is an empty matter. The PY does not have the same number of modifications for different tasks (compact, full-size, different calibers, etc.), so it is irrational to shove him alone into all units of all law enforcement agencies.
              1. +1
                April 7 2020 15: 30
                Quote: Kalmar
                The difference is quite large: different modifications of the Glock have achieved good interchangeability for spare parts and accessories, which is quite practical.

                =======
                Well, in general, it is quite easy to reach for accessories - just say it (standards) in the terms of reference (for example, the same "Piccatini bars"). With spare parts - yes, I agree .... But I just strongly doubt that you will find a lot of "interchangeable spare parts" for the Glock-17 army and the Glock-43 concealed carry pistol .... I doubt very much !! These are completely different models, developed for different requirements .... Only some external resemblance - rather, the "branded style" of the Glock company remains.
                1. 0
                  April 7 2020 16: 09
                  Quote: venik
                  it’s easy to reach the accessories - just say it (standards) in the terms of reference

                  In theory, making a good pistol "Glock killer" is in principle possible: nothing radically new in this industry appears; it is quite possible to repeat the existing solutions. Only not everyone succeeds anyway.
              2. 0
                April 8 2020 13: 10
                comparing "Glock" and the same PYa is empty. I agree these are not comparable pistols. Glock has ALL sizes and calibers, and Yarygin has one size and caliber. Figs with him that he is too big, but the quality with the Pot and next to it did not lie! That's the problem.
                I already think sometimes: if we don’t have a 100% reliable pistol, maybe there is a reason to take a western pistol? I agree Gaston will be a little expensive, but is Hehler, ChZ?
                1. 0
                  April 8 2020 22: 17
                  Quote: vladcub
                  I already think sometimes: if we don’t have a 100% reliable pistol, maybe there is a reason to take a western pistol?

                  There is a reason, but we must not forget that the "western pistol" is the product of a potential enemy. In addition to purely psychological and ideological issues, there are a lot of political risks here: any contract for the supply of pistols may suddenly fail due to some new sanctions.

                  Well, the potential localization of production of the "Western" model will inevitably run into the harsh realities of Russian industry. As in that joke about the Mercedes plant on the site of AvtoVAZ in Togliatti:
                  - I told you - damn place! And you all: "Crooked hands, crooked hands."
                  1. 0
                    April 9 2020 14: 02
                    As for the "crooked hands". Revolver Nagant "was born" in Liege (Belgium "), and was produced in Tula
                    Sewing machine "Podolka" - "Singer". Carbine "Bear-3" hunting Winchester
            2. +1
              April 7 2020 15: 03
              Difference in purchase and service price within the same agency. Glocks are available in all sizes and in many calibers.
              1. 0
                April 7 2020 15: 39
                Quote: Zeev Zeev
                The difference in the purchase and service prices within one agency.

                =======
                Firstly, the price of different Glock models also varies greatly.
                Secondly, why does one department ask more than 2 different models? For example: Why does the military need a compact concealed pistol? And why does the police need a heavy army "bandura"?
                And in general - this folly consider that all "glocks" (from the 17th to the 43rd are the same in design - this is all different some models have interchangeable units, some differ from each other, like pistols of different companies) .....
                1. +1
                  April 7 2020 16: 16
                  Quote: venik
                  Firstly, the price of different Glock models also varies greatly.

                  And this is logical.

                  Quote: venik
                  Secondly - why is it asked to one department for more than 2 different models?

                  Mm, for different tasks? Say in the Ministry of Internal Affairs:
                  - a gun for hidden wearing: as compact as possible;
                  - let's just say just a service gun: slightly heavy, moderately compact;
                  - pistol for special forces (SOBR): increased power and capacity of the store, the ability to install additional devices (LCC, silencer, etc.).

                  Quote: venik
                  it is nonsense to think that all "glocks" (from the 17th to the 43rd are the same in design

                  Nobody spoke about "identical". But there is a lot in common: the same trigger (except for models with auto-firing), the same locking unit, compatible double-row magazines, etc.
                2. 0
                  April 7 2020 19: 11
                  Some are different. And for most, the difference is many details are exactly the same.
    3. +4
      April 7 2020 10: 24
      What a powerful cartridge! Much stronger is even the 9x19 "Para" ... Russian weapons should be so powerful and unpretentious. And there is no need for the Rosgvardia to run around with Kalash. Not army men.
      So the "Boa constrictor" was accepted, under the same cartridge ... For a long time, our main pistol was the "weak" Makarovsky ... and now it will be more powerful than the "Parabellum" 9x21? And it's not bad, IMHO.
      1. +3
        April 7 2020 11: 05
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        What a powerful cartridge! Much stronger even 9x19 "Pair"

        Correction: potentially much stronger. So there are 9x19 options with energy quite at the 9x21 level: about 630-640 J (about the same as stated for 9x21).
      2. 0
        April 7 2020 14: 24
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        And there is no reason for the Rosgvardia to run with Kalash. Not CSKA.

        And even in the North Caucasus? I do not agree. Better Kalash is not yet armed.
      3. 0
        April 8 2020 13: 52
        "powerful and unpretentious" I will add RELIABLE .. I cannot boast of this. We knew how to make reliable weapons: Nagan, reliable to the point of disgrace, three-line, AK or "Makar" weapons that could be 100% trusted, but is Yarygin really like that? At Badiuk I heard that PY's shop often breaks down
        1. 0
          April 8 2020 22: 24
          Quote: vladcub
          RELIABLE .. PY this can not boast

          In fairness, it's not so bad there.

          Firstly, there was a stage of childhood diseases; everyone passes through it. Read the story of the creation of AK: he also did not immediately find his legendary reliability. And as far as I know, the shop at PY was redone.

          Secondly, the assimilation by the industry was slow: the usual methods in the spirit of "then file with a file" are poorly compatible with modern weapons. They say that now Izhmeh began to monitor quality more closely.

          Thirdly, in parallel with the PY, the industry was mastering a new ammunition - 9x19. And here, too, everything was not easy: the quality of the cartridges was sometimes frightening. Obviously, with lousy cartridges, even the Glock will go crazy every other time.
          1. +1
            April 9 2020 12: 06
            In fact, high-quality cartridges mean a lot. As a child, I remember that my grandfather had a Izhevsk double-barreled barrel and 12 shells were still pre-revolutionary and he always equipped them himself. Then, ready-made with a paper sleeve appeared on sale. He ignored them, but it was not clear to me: what for do you mind fooling outfitting ammunition if there are any ready ones?
    4. -11
      April 7 2020 10: 31
      That's good.
      Rosguard needs to be strengthened to the maximum.
      1. +12
        April 7 2020 10: 35
        Quote: BREAKTHROUGH READY
        That's good.
        Rosguard needs to be strengthened to the maximum.

        What for?
        1. -12
          April 7 2020 10: 40
          Quote: Vol4ara
          Quote: BREAKTHROUGH READY
          That's good.
          Rosguard needs to be strengthened to the maximum.

          What for?



          What do you mean why???
          Narot fight!
          1. -4
            April 7 2020 11: 00
            In April, the people stocks up, small and medium-sized businesses go bankrupt.
            We look forward to demonstrations in May in support of Putin and United Russia.
            Then the Rosguard will protect these peaceful demonstrations from the evil mercenaries of the West, Navalnyat, grant-eaters and other skakuaz.
            Ammo will require a lot.
            1. +3
              April 7 2020 11: 15
              Quote: Pereira
              We look forward to demonstrations in May in support of Putin and United Russia.

              And if you do not wait, do you eat your cap?
              1. -5
                April 7 2020 12: 00
                Can't wait for a demonstration in support of Putin?
                I have already seen THIS.

                My cap may not be afraid of me.
                1. +7
                  April 7 2020 12: 10
                  Quote: Pereira
                  My cap may not be afraid of me.

                  That is, do not eat.
                  For they are not ready to answer for their words in principle ...
                  Accepted.
                  1. -3
                    April 7 2020 20: 18
                    Your righteous anger and unshakable optimism inspire me with faith (pretty much squandered over the past decades) in the bright future.
                    Not everything is lost in the country if there are such people.
                    Threat Minus is not mine.
          2. 0
            April 7 2020 11: 54
            Then on the contrary, you need PKM, AK, AGS, etc.
            1. +3
              April 7 2020 12: 11
              Quote: Evgeny Ivanov_5
              Then on the contrary, you need PKM, AK, AGS, etc.

              They have it all.
          3. +6
            April 7 2020 12: 26
            Quote: Spade
            Narot fight!

            That's when, God forbid, terrorists take over your family, you will shout differently, not with three, but with a hundred exclamation points.
      2. +1
        April 7 2020 10: 45
        Rosguard should not be strengthened, but disbanded, and their illiterate chief, a specialist in cabbage and other vegetables, should be demoted and put on trial by a military court for theft! For the tasks of this Military Search there are Internal Troops.
        1. +4
          April 7 2020 10: 52
          Quote: Saratoga833
          Rosguard should not be strengthened, but disbanded

          I categorically support the handshake.

          Quote: Saratoga833
          For the tasks of this Military Search there are Internal Troops.

          Paragraph
          laughing laughing laughing

          You just offered to disband them
          Internal Troops became part of the Russian Guard at the stage of its formation
          1. +5
            April 7 2020 15: 32
            Quote: Spade
            Internal Troops became part of the Russian Guard at the stage of its formation

            I would even say its basis. On which they additionally hung the FSUE "Protection", OMON and SOBR.

            People simply do not understand that the Rosguard is a usual rebranding of explosives with the removal of them from the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Nobody created anything again - they simply shuffled the existing cards.
            1. 0
              April 8 2020 11: 23
              How the police were renamed the police. The same eggs, only side view
        2. +11
          April 7 2020 11: 09
          Yeah, and also put pots on the item replacing the head and gallop to the whisker under the distribution of cookies from uncles and aunts who will certainly support you!
        3. +3
          April 7 2020 11: 55
          Have you seen this BB? They have long been gone.
    5. -2
      April 7 2020 10: 35
      Heather in the manual - "permissible" SP-cartridges to use. I emphasize - not the norm, but mona ... kol nana
    6. +1
      April 7 2020 10: 45
      into service with units of the FSB and FSO, as well as some special units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
      There are already no such units in the system of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
    7. +1
      April 7 2020 10: 49
      The shoulder rest looks flimsy somehow.
      1. -1
        April 7 2020 11: 12
        Yes, there and the side wire would be quite suitable - "pukalka"
    8. -2
      April 7 2020 10: 51
      Expansive, explosive, bullets in the army, can not be used against the enemy. Yes, and just try to apply. And you can against your own.
      1. +8
        April 7 2020 10: 56
        Quote: Free Wind
        And you can against your own.

        It depends on who is "their".
        For example, if for you "your" people are people who have taken hostages on the plane, then ... I sympathize in advance.
        1. -3
          April 7 2020 11: 44
          Quote: Spade
          For example, if for you "your" people are people who have taken hostages on the plane, then ... I sympathize in advance.

          For example, in the Soviet Union to combat terrorists who hijacked an airplane or what other objects existed:
          Office "A" ("Alpha") of the KGB of the USSR - was the first anti-terrorist unit of the USSR;
          Vympel is a “strategic” special forces unit of the First Main Directorate of the KGB of the USSR (foreign intelligence), trained, including in operations at special facilities (such as nuclear power plants);

          And, MOST IMPORTANT, None of the SOVIET CITIZEN had doubts or questions regarding the arming of these people !!!
          As to their command. And the people themselves, who served in special forces, evoked only respect and pride, for their professionalism and existence itself.
          The command, which keeps in the state of bone-breakers, who can beat women and other teenagers with batons without any need, as well as the employees of this formation, who consider such a struggle against dissent the norm, stands on the other hand from the line that separates people in uniform - real defenders , from the "holdord".
          Therefore, sincere curiosity about the need for just such a weapon from just such ... people involved is justified and, as the discussion of the article showed, is in demand ...
          hi
          1. +5
            April 7 2020 12: 08
            Quote: ROSS 42
            For example, in the Soviet Union to combat terrorists who hijacked an airplane or what other objects existed:

            Ага.
            And also the USSR had Internal Troops. To fight with your own people.
            There was also such a Soviet invention as riot police. October 3, 1988 they appeared. Also to fight with their own people
            And yes, the famous "democratizer", PR-73, was put into service, as its name suggests, in 1973. For what? Guess ... That's right, to fight your own people.


            Quote: ROSS 42
            Therefore, sincere curiosity about the need for just such a weapon from just such ... people involved is justified and, as the discussion of the article showed, is in demand ...

            I had to cross with these "Derzhimords". On a block on the eastern outskirts of Urus. Just Komsomolskoye was stormed, but these people who escaped the cordon ring were tyrannized every night. Shotguns, Flies, all the concrete is scorched. The eyes of the riot police are red, like those of rabbits. Every fucking night they shot at dissidents ...

            And those are such little things ... Bearded ... They are children, they should have been given a little frolic ...
          2. 0
            April 7 2020 13: 02
            It was your beloved communists who created the first OMON, in Leningrad, the first secretary of the regional committee, Gidaspov. The main goal when creating - EXECUTION OF MASS DISORDERS !!! That is, to fight YOU !!! In the city of the Revolution !!! "Nightmare"!
            And for your further development - the first departments and the Office for Combating Organized Crime ("6th departments") were also created during the Soviet era !!!
            "In the USSR, no ... no, no drugs, no crime" .....
            1. 0
              April 7 2020 14: 29
              Quote: Okolotochny
              first departments

              Where is this from? The Ministry of Internal Affairs never had the first departments.
              1. +1
                April 7 2020 17: 37
                Where is this from? The Ministry of Internal Affairs never had the first departments.

                It is necessary to read more carefully - the first departments and the Office for Combating Organized Crime (6th departments).
                Fershteyn? In the USSR, the first, not the First Glavki.
                1. -1
                  April 9 2020 20: 09
                  Quote: Okolotochny
                  It is necessary to read more carefully - the first departments and the Office for Combating Organized Crime (6th departments).

                  I have more than 32 years of calendar service, of which almost 25 are in the fifth department of the Organized Crime Control Department (the 6th department in girlhood). So do not write nonsense about the first departments in the Ministry of Internal Affairs. There is an OD&R, but there are no first departments and never has been.
                  1. 0
                    April 9 2020 21: 36
                    You can see in Ubop they were only sitting on paperwork, stapling pieces of paper, not on operational work. Are you familiar with the Russian language? The first in the USSR, that is, especially for clerks - In the first 6th departments and administrations created in the USSR, turn on the brains, clerk.
                    1. 0
                      April 10 2020 13: 21
                      Quote: Okolotochny
                      Are you familiar with the Russian language?

                      It seems you are not familiar with him.
                      Quote: Okolotochny
                      turn on the brains, clerk.

                      Turn on yours, delusional.
                      Quote: Okolotochny
                      They sat only at paperwork, sewed pieces of paper, and not at operational work

                      Actually, in the area he started with opera. And before you offend to try, think about it, and maybe fly back.
                      Quote: Okolotochny
                      The first in the USSR, that is, especially for clerks

                      I already wrote to you - there were no first departments in the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Paperwork went through ODiR.
                      There were no subdivisions in the 6th department, and in the Organized Crime Control Department, the 1st department was far from dealing with paperwork.
                  2. -1
                    April 9 2020 21: 41
                    And, for the clerks, you’re Mr. Lieutenant - at first there were no Ubopov, ORB were created, then there were exclusively Regional departments for combating organized crime - RUBOPs, and then, in the local headquarters, they created parallel Ubopy, wrap around.
                    1. 0
                      April 10 2020 13: 26
                      Quote: Okolotochny
                      wrap around.

                      Learn the letter first.
                      Quote: Okolotochny
                      At first there were no Ubopov, ORB were created

                      And does that change anything? They were just not called. 6th department, ORB, UOP, UBOP, UBOPiK, then again UBOP.
                      Quote: Okolotochny
                      then there were exclusively Regional departments for the fight against organized crime - RUBOPs, and then, in the local headquarters, they created parallel Ubops

                      You found it on some crazy site. The full-time structure comes at the same time both to leading and subordinate structures.
                      And, for that matter, then in the same 1993, for example, there was already OOP, but there were no RUOPs in sight. RUOPs appeared when this entire structure was removed from the subordination of the heads of the subjects. Learn the materiel, and you will be happy.
          3. -4
            April 7 2020 14: 01
            In 1979, Alpha assassinated the friendly leader of a friendly state.
            1. +4
              April 7 2020 16: 54
              Quote: Zeev Zeev
              In 1979, Alpha assassinated the friendly leader of a friendly state.

              No need to juggle. I think that they are far from your allies ... feel
              1. -3
                April 7 2020 19: 12
                Hafizullah Amin, like the rulers of Afghanistan before him, were loyal to their northern neighbor.
            2. +1
              April 8 2020 07: 30
              You are wrong: in the newspaper Pravda then wrote that Amin was executed by the angry Afghan people. smile
          4. +3
            April 7 2020 16: 50
            Quote: ROSS 42
            For example, in the Soviet Union to combat terrorists who hijacked an airplane or what other objects existed:

            I understand that you have not heard anything about training companies and special-purpose battalions of the Interior Ministry of the USSR? The roots of the same "Vityaz" are the URSN based on the 9th company of the 3rd battalion of the 2nd regiment of OMSDON them. F. Dzerzhinsky.
            The fight against terrorism and the release of hostages in the USSR was dealt not only with the Office, but also with the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
        2. +1
          April 7 2020 11: 59
          they will not send the Nazarde to release the hostages, the FSB spetsnaz will go.
          1. +2
            April 7 2020 12: 14
            Quote: Free Wind
            they will not send the Nazarde to release the hostages, the FSB spetsnaz will go.

            Well, of course...
            They will be cordoned off by police officers, and will be waiting for the arrival of the "FSB spies". Until they wait, you look and the situation will resolve in connection with the death of the hostages ...
          2. -2
            April 7 2020 13: 16
            Rosguard (USSR VV) and other ... - this is, above all, a counterweight to the army, for the authorities;
            the fight against the people is secondary, but it is even worse to write it off completely or shift the "fight against the people" to the army
            1. 0
              April 7 2020 14: 06
              The USSR VV was weak as a counterweight to the SA.
              1. -1
                April 7 2020 15: 47
                well, it is, yes, although there were other instruments there. The main principle here: a certain number of "wooden" people will be balanced by another number
              2. 0
                April 7 2020 17: 31
                Quote: Sergej1972
                The USSR VV was weak as a counterweight to the SA.

                Under Yeltsin it was like that.
                For example, the army was kept in a black body; VVshnikov never had any breaks in issuing money. allowances. Well and so on.
                1. +6
                  April 7 2020 17: 39
                  VVshnikov never had a break in issuing den. allowances.

                  This is, to put it mildly, NOT TRUE. Why cheat members of the forum? Three or four months "backlog" (delay), like everyone else.
            2. +1
              April 7 2020 17: 30
              Quote: prodi
              Rosguard (USSR VV) and other ... - this is, above all, a counterweight to the army

              You are 20 years late with this statement ... Then, yes, indeed a counterbalance.
          3. -1
            April 7 2020 14: 30
            Quote: Free Wind
            they will not send the Nazarde to release the hostages, the FSB spetsnaz will go.

            The hostages in the regions will be released by SOBR. In some special cases, and "Alpha" will arrive. Their equipment will still be better.
            1. +2
              April 7 2020 17: 41
              Hostages in the regions will release SOBR.

              SOBR units are now in the structure of the Russian Guard. I wrote to you above, do not try to seem smarter.
              1. -1
                April 9 2020 20: 12
                Quote: Okolotochny
                I already wrote to you above, do not try to seem smarter.

                I also wrote above about the place of service to you. So I know the tasks of SOBR firsthand. You write nonsense with a serious look, not knowing the realities.
                1. -1
                  April 9 2020 21: 31
                  I served these years with these “realities”. Stop writing your drunken heresy.
                  1. 0
                    April 10 2020 13: 16
                    Do not know the actual service, do not carry your nonsense to the masses.
          4. +3
            April 7 2020 21: 16
            Quote: Free Wind
            they will not send the Nazarde to release the hostages, the FSB spetsnaz will go.

            The opinion of the amateur. request
    9. 0
      April 7 2020 10: 56
      Oh, now we have such a bunch of pp, on a voyage even far over a dozen will pass ...
    10. +1
      April 7 2020 11: 04
      I want to remind you that the Russian Guard is not created to fight against an external enemy .. but to fight dissent and freethinkers among our people .. so let's think about who this submachine gun is against.
      1. 0
        April 7 2020 12: 14
        Against yours - pan-horse horses.
        What did you think?
        1. 0
          April 7 2020 12: 26
          you can’t help anymore .. metastases went to the head.
        2. 0
          April 8 2020 02: 21
          Unfortunately, even batons and gas are not really used against our horses.
    11. DPN
      -1
      April 7 2020 11: 11
      Why are there not enough batons? For the rest, there is the Army.
      1. +11
        April 7 2020 11: 21
        Quote: DPN
        Why are there not enough batons? For the rest, there is the Army.

        Introduced, and choked on chicory ...
        An army liberating hostages with tanks.
        Army conducting a search for runaway ZK.
        Army providing security at the concert "Modern Talking"
        Army guarding a nuclear power plant.

        Mother-mother-mother .... They are already trying to make a branch of the Ministry of Emergencies from the Army. If you also assign the functions of the Russian Guard to it, then by its main purpose it will stupidly forget how to act ...
        1. +2
          April 7 2020 17: 16
          Quote: Spade
          An army liberating hostages with tanks.

          Yeah ... welcome to the village of Pervomaisk.
          Quote: Spade
          Army conducting a search for runaway ZK.

          - Runaways found in such a square!
          - And sprinkle them, Alyoshenka, with chalk Well, here’s the Read has a lot to do.

          Quote: Spade
          Army providing security at the concert "Modern Talking"

          Today in the hall there were only lying places. laughing
          Quote: Spade
          Army guarding a nuclear power plant.

          Yeah ... especially considering the nuances of the possibility of using weapons by the military inside the country without introducing an emergency regime.
        2. -1
          April 8 2020 07: 33
          In Venezuela, the army was assigned to engage in oil production, dispersing lousy intellectuals and techies. Great experience that we should learn from good
          1. +1
            April 8 2020 08: 16
            Quote: 3danimal
            In Venezuela, the army was assigned to engage in oil production, dispersing lousy intellectuals and techies. Great experience that we should learn from

            Exactly, the Sechinsky freaks are not enough for us, we’ll finish the oil industry in the army way))
    12. -3
      April 7 2020 11: 27
      invented a lot of things .. you just need to revive the production of PPS-43 and that's it ...
    13. +1
      April 7 2020 11: 32
      as for me, the PL-15 is a very good pistol for the police, but it’s better to give the Boa constrictor to Rosgvardia so that there would be no confusion with the ammunition for the SR. and I really like the PL as a weapon.
      1. 0
        April 8 2020 07: 37
        Not better to produce under license CZ or Glock? And then to establish the production of a replica, say, under the name P ...- 17.
        We stepped on the rake more than once, but in the 50s, instead of the PM, it was possible to copy the standard Browning HP, much like the Para cartridge. It generally could not be changed now.
        1. +1
          April 8 2020 08: 23
          Quote: 3danimal
          Not better to produce under license CZ or Glock?

          Maybe. At least in the order of that very healthy competition, which was discussed here somewhere. True, there are some doubts that the same Izhmeh will be able to make Glocks or CZs with the proper level of quality at its facilities. To create new production purely for these purposes is expensive and risky in the absence of a sufficiently capacious and stable sales market. Now, if the civilian Constitutional Court were finally allowed ... But these are all dreams.
          1. 0
            April 8 2020 12: 32
            Alas .. The impression is that our authorities are afraid of armed citizens, as well as actively defending themselves.
            I agree, as world practice shows, the civilian market is driving development. Perhaps it would be worthwhile to privatize a number of enterprises and create conditions (legislation) for the emergence of new private ones.
        2. 0
          April 8 2020 11: 36
          What does it have to do, and PM? here the question is what they will buy. as for me, what they like for their work, they’ll even get it. although Glock is at least an emergency, even a submarine. just for convenience said that it’s better to take a boa constrictor, one cartridge for both samples. and here it turns out two: Luger 9 * 19mm and 9 * 21mm Serdyukov. that before Browning High Power, it was earlier copied and modified by PM even before .see TT. and cartridges .. what could they produce and adopted. they weren’t their own. They were more true, but for Nagan. Now a lot has changed, they can take what they like themselves. And not what the leadership of the Central Committee approved. when they were leading from the Central Committee, all production was state-owned, and they decided with an eye on the possibilities of the country as a whole. Now private shops want to blind under Luger, want to work under 40 Zmit-Wesson. The participant also needs to live on something .. like- then pay taxes. and to copy High Power a lot of brains are not necessary, the main thing is that your hands would grow from where you need to. The weapon starts with a cartridge. and if the cartridge is universal, then the weapon is selected accordingly. Luger there are different cartridges for marking. one psitolet works well with relatives, the other with reinforced ones with the NATO designation. and here both samples will eat one cartridge. deliveries will not reach intermittently.
          1. +1
            April 8 2020 12: 00
            Quote: parkello
            just for convenience said that it’s better to take a boa constrictor, one cartridge for both samples

            It seems to me that the problem of different ammunition in peacetime is somewhat far-fetched. In the end, now, in fact, 9x18 and 9x19 are both in use by the security forces, and it is not audible that this would seriously disturb anyone.

            Quote: parkello
            and now private shops, they want to blind under Luger, they want under 40 Zmit-Wesson

            It is not easy with private shops: obtaining licenses is difficult, there are many risks (primarily legal), the sales market is very limited and peculiar.
            1. 0
              April 8 2020 12: 10
              in peacetime, and how long will it last, is it peacetime? what about private traders, they can do whatever they want if it leaves for export. By the way, the submarine belongs to them. if weapons are not sold primarily for export, then there’s nothing to grow at home already. and the PL-15 is a good pistol, I like it. but a private person and I proceed from the fact that it would be easy to get cartridges. and the Russian Guard is BB. were explosives became Rosguard, and they would have suited cartridges more powerful than Luger. but they want to promote the submarines let them move. maybe it will be exported soon. if I served I would choose Boa. and I would buy a submarine anyway, I like it. but I would take Boa for service. the cartridge is powerful, the armor pierces.
              1. 0
                April 8 2020 12: 42
                7n31 is the most “punchy” as far as I know.
              2. +1
                April 8 2020 12: 52
                Quote: parkello
                in peacetime, and how long will it last, is it peacetime?

                So far, there is no reason to go to martial law. There will be military time - then part of the armaments can be abandoned in favor of logistics.

                Quote: parkello
                what about private traders, then they can do whatever they want if export goes

                There is high competition on foreign markets, and the same legal risks arising from the peculiarities of Russian law and enforcement do not disappear. Few people are really ready to fit into this story. Plus sanctions, yes.

                Quote: parkello
                if weapons are not sold primarily for export, then there’s nothing to grow at home

                But why? The same "Saigi" and "Vepri" are now almost not exported, but in the Russian market they are in more or less stable demand. The price and availability of related products (spare parts, accessories) play a role here.

                Quote: parkello
                were explosives became Rosguard, and they would have suited cartridges more powerful than Luger

                I already wrote about this: "Luger" can easily catch up in power up to the current 9x21. Again, it strongly depends on the tasks, and the WG has a fairly wide list of them. For example, the Boa constrictor is definitely redundant to disperse the pensioners.

                Quote: parkello
                for the service would have taken Boa constrictor. the cartridge is powerful, the armor pierces.

                It depends on what service. I doubt very much that every Russian guard regularly encounters terrorists chained in armor; for such clients there are corresponding units within the WG.
                1. +1
                  April 8 2020 13: 00
                  Saigi and Vepri sold quite a lot abroad, especially to the gendarmerie and the police. our cops saig 12 have. and there are many on hand, especially in villages that are closer to Bulgaria or to the Albanian border. I know 4-5 people, hunters, bought Saigi. it’s just that we and the hunters are not so many. and Saiga is a good shotgun, with all the nozzles in general sweetie. chok, mok ... paradox. who understands the weapons they immediately bought. and a running cartridge 12 * 76mm Magnum. now about terrorists in armor ... it may not be in armor, but it’s quite beyond the shelter of stone or brick. so it’s better to have more powerful weapons than regret later.
                  1. 0
                    April 8 2020 14: 46
                    Quote: parkello
                    Saigi and Vepri sold quite a bit abroad, especially to the gendarmerie and the police

                    I don’t know about the police and the gendarmerie, it’s unlikely that many "saeg" were sold for this case. The fact is that the export of these ruzhbaeks has long been covered by sanctions. But they still do the same.

                    Quote: parkello
                    Saiga is a good gun, with all the nozzles in general sweetie

                    I don’t argue, he himself has one. True, there are many questions on the quality of manufacturing: walks in a fairly wide range. Export samples, of course, were licked and checked more thoroughly.

                    Quote: parkello
                    about terrorists in armor ... in armor it may not be, but behind a shelter made of stone or brick it’s quite

                    Here you and "Boa constrictor" is not an assistant. Here it is already necessary to look aside .44 Magnum and .50 AE))
          2. -3
            April 8 2020 12: 41
            TT - a crooked copy of the M1911 under another cartridge. With all the flaws. Therefore, ideally it was to produce under license first. The stupid and dangerous policy of the Union, with religious goals, to convert more countries to communism, spending a lot of resources with a very small (economy) exhaust, greatly interfered with it.
            1. +1
              April 8 2020 12: 47
              Well already what was it was. there was a lot of curve. but now times have changed. it’s a pity that the majority of old habits remained. but also pass. by the way Colt 1911 itself is also a copy of the same Browning. only under your patron. Browning was originally at 7,65 .. my friend had one. old, old .. during the Balkan wars. from the partisans remained. either from the Greeks or from the Italian communists. cartridge from Mauser, the same TT.
              1. 0
                April 8 2020 17: 02
                M1911 copy of an earlier pistol.
                The 13-charge HP is much more efficient and flexible than both the 1911 and PM.
    14. +2
      April 7 2020 11: 41
      Does anyone know why at the Picatinny Rail Station? To put a camcorder there for shooting from around the corner?
      1. +1
        April 7 2020 12: 04
        LTSU, very convenient.
        1. +2
          April 7 2020 12: 29
          Quote: Bacha
          LTSU, very convenient.

          Not really, rather .. Even more so .. in the dark, dust the beam gives off a radiation source ..
          But the collimator .. on such distance is very convenient.
          1. 0
            April 8 2020 07: 39
            The Picattini collimator makes the gun bulky. Another thing is a compact open, with the installation instead of the rear sight.
            The lantern is often hung on the lower bar.
      2. +1
        April 7 2020 12: 31
        I can not imagine a modern rifle without the ability to easily remove / put a flashlight, optics, a thermal imager, a nightlight and everything else. Tea, 21st century - composite ships of Elon Mask plow the expanses of the universe.
    15. -1
      April 7 2020 11: 44
      Yes, give them at once the Kernel loaf. That would have sensed themselves as boys.
    16. 0
      April 7 2020 11: 49
      Wow ... there special ammunition is secretly passed, anyway anyone does not get it.
      1. +1
        April 7 2020 12: 44
        I don’t know about the state secrets, and what could be secret there - but linking to the world's only manufacturer of unique ammunition is not good. I remember that at one time I used it as a regular PSM on a regular basis, so in the mid-90s, TPZ stupidly ceased to produce ammunition, even there was nothing to do training firing. They handed over in chorus to the warehouses, armed with PM - well, it’s strange, everything was heaped up to him. PSM was a frankly worthless bullet, neither a candle nor a damn poker.
        1. -1
          April 7 2020 12: 51
          Well worthless, weapons of last chance.
        2. +4
          April 7 2020 13: 26
          Well why, PSM to wear could be hidden, even for an experienced eye. Because unexpectedly flat gun. And yes, I don’t even know whether he’s good or bad, they’ve never been given a shot at firing ammunition, and nobody will voluntarily shoot bk - it’s fraught with sideways ...
          1. -1
            April 7 2020 13: 35
            So what . could not get a couple of rounds? To smell how the trunk behaves.
        3. +2
          April 7 2020 14: 36
          Quote: hhurik
          PSM was a frankly worthless bullet, neither a candle nor a damn poker.

          They took the client for a series of robberies. He from the second floor through the window ciganul. From lunch, the head of the criminal walked past, carrying the PSM with him. He shot down a fly from one shot. As a result, the entrance in the ass turned the intestines and went under the skin of the thigh. The wounded man managed to escape, found after about 10-15 minutes. They didn’t get to the hospital ...
          Quote: faterdom
          I don’t even know if he is good or bad

          Let's just say inconvenient. And when you put it on the fuse, you often bite your skin with a trigger.
    17. -1
      April 7 2020 12: 17
      I wonder who the police and gendarmes will use this automatic weapon against? Really so many terrorists divorced? Then the FSB does not work.
      1. +2
        April 7 2020 12: 36
        Quote: slasha
        I wonder who the police and gendarmes will use this automatic weapon against? Really so many terrorists divorced? Then the FSB does not work.

        Against dissenters ...
        Some have such a strong bone that they simply can’t get to the brain without automatic weapons and an armor-piercing cartridge.
        1. -1
          April 7 2020 20: 34
          You are a good man, Lopatov.
          1. +2
            April 8 2020 02: 23
            There was a good yanyk, the result is very sad.
        2. 0
          April 8 2020 07: 41
          "We strangled these dissidents, strangled ..."
      2. -1
        April 7 2020 13: 08
        They themselves come to their senses, for themselves.
    18. +2
      April 7 2020 13: 20
      In the basic kit, the submachine gun is equipped with a sight with two marks: when firing at 150 meters and at 200 meters.
      1. +1
        April 8 2020 08: 03
        Another picture.
    19. +5
      April 7 2020 13: 31
      Quote: riwas
      In the basic set, the submachine gun is equipped with a sight with two marks: when firing at 150 meters and at 200 meters.

      In fact, God forbid to shoot using a device with a person who has AKM or worse. There is no chance, unless that subscriber knows where to click ...
      Why did I ask about the Picatinny rail - the real effective combat distance of this weapon is 30 meters, well 40 meters. And why burden it with a thermal imager, or whatever. Well, a flashlight in the dark basements alright ...
      1. +1
        April 7 2020 13: 47
        Well yes. The PPSh also had a cross over sight at 100 and 200 meters (and in the early and even more - 500 meters), and they shot mainly at short distances.
      2. +1
        April 8 2020 00: 12
        Now a weaver or picatinny drive even on pistols. The Narodnik went blind, computers and gadgets spoil his eyesight by the least indulge. Anyway, the optics on the rifled - hurt by default, now there is something for every taste - with the brand’s illumination with a fiber light detector and a tritium phosphorus lamp. With reliability no less than the life of the bullet itself and weighing a couple of hundred grams.
    20. 0
      April 7 2020 14: 17
      A couple of days ago, an old friend, the police underground (Kazakhstan) said, people, slowly, are starting to not be afraid of cops, they lifted up.
    21. +3
      April 7 2020 16: 55
      Good machine for their own purposes.
      1. -4
        April 7 2020 20: 33
        Yes, it’s suitable to shoot at people.
        1. +2
          April 8 2020 10: 48
          Quote: NordUral
          Yes, it’s suitable to shoot at people.

          Dude .. with your avatar .. you have to keep silent on this subject ..
          Novocherkassk shooting ..
          According to official figures, during the suppression of the uprising 26 people were killed, another 87 were injured. How many victims and victims were actually, it is not known exactly. They did not give out corpses to their families. The executed were buried in different cemeteries under cover of night.
    22. -1
      April 7 2020 19: 22
      With such a short barrel, only shoot into the crowd, why are the internal troops such weapons? What answer, who admires this?
      1. +3
        April 7 2020 19: 38
        Quote: slavinsk
        With such a short barrel, only shoot into the crowd, why are the internal troops such weapons? What answer, who admires this?

        Why for shooting in the crowd high penetration cartridges - 9x21 - and a store for 20-30 rounds?
        This is a software for working in cramped conditions - in the same apartments and houses - against targets in bulletproof vests and other protection. In short, against the poor bearded children.
        Yes, by the way, these also armed just to shoot the crowd? wink
      2. -4
        April 7 2020 20: 28
        For this, they are also arming to shoot us, slavinsk.
        1. +3
          April 7 2020 21: 19
          Quote: NordUral
          For this, they are arming to shoot at us

          Well, if you're from a bearded child, then anything is possible. request
          1. -1
            April 7 2020 23: 33
            I did not expect such nonsense from you.
            1. +1
              April 7 2020 23: 37
              Quote: NordUral
              I did not expect such nonsense from you.

              What is hello, so is the answer... request
    23. -2
      April 7 2020 20: 26
      The Russian Guard is adopting the SR-2MP Veresk submachine gun
      Today, 10: 11

      Eh, a Kalash would hang on the wall, and under the bed - a box with cartridges and a box of charges for the grenade launcher.
      Wow, the "guard" is being seriously armed against the people.
      1. +1
        April 7 2020 21: 22
        Quote: NordUral
        Eh, would hang on the wall "Kalash", and under the bed - a box with cartridges and a box of charges for the grenade launcher

        Why is a law-abiding citizen such an arsenal ?! And for hunting and civilian weapons, training and a certificate from a psychiatrist are needed. Who can’t (about help), I’m not to blame. feel
        1. -1
          April 7 2020 23: 21
          Why is a law-abiding citizen such an arsenal ?!

          Why do these "guardsmen" need such an arsenal?
          1. +1
            April 7 2020 23: 26
            Quote: NordUral
            Why do these "guardsmen" need such an arsenal?

            To solve a variety of tasks. I thought you know ... feel
            1. +1
              April 7 2020 23: 32
              Duck and I have dreams for solving the task of protecting my family at my home. These certainly won't protect me.
              1. +1
                April 7 2020 23: 36
                Quote: NordUral
                Duck and I have dreams for solving the task of protecting my family at my home.

                As if a button accordion had already been torn up on the topic of protecting the house, even in VO, and you have all the tasks. Help from doctors, training in a special institution, everything is in your hands. request
                Quote: NordUral
                These certainly won't protect me.

                I am sure that you are mistaken, but personally, I would not defend many. feel
                1. -1
                  April 7 2020 23: 37
                  And I do not hope for protection.
        2. -1
          April 8 2020 22: 58
          And if I had, I wouldn’t ask. I just don’t have it, I’m really a law-abiding citizen. But I didn’t think about weapons before. There were no animals to kill the draft, so I didn’t buy anything from hunting and some saigas. And now, in my eighth dozen, no one will sell me. It's a pity.
          1. +1
            April 9 2020 08: 36
            Quote: NordUral
            And if I had, I wouldn’t ask. I just don’t have it, I’m really a law-abiding citizen. But I didn’t think about weapons before. There were no animals to kill the draft, so I didn’t buy anything from hunting and some saigas. And now, in my eighth dozen, no one will sell me. It's a pity.

            By and large, in case of serious emergencies, I think the police will seize weapons from respectable citizens. So staff ... request
            1. 0
              April 9 2020 12: 12
              Over in the States they tried to do this, and the people were outraged armed. True, we do not have the States, few have curtained walls with weapons, and even then, only those who themselves need to be put against the wall.
              Yes, hunters yet.
      2. +2
        April 7 2020 22: 36
        Quote: NordUral
        Wow, the "guard" is being seriously armed against the people.

        Dzerzhinsky’s division received new AK-74 simultaneously with the USSR CA ....
        Seriously preparing a purely Moscow division to fight against the people of the USSR in the late 70's ????
        1. 0
          April 7 2020 23: 25
          Those who prepared the collapse of the USSR did not realize that the people of the USSR turned out to be weak on the head, and even cowardly. I'm not an exception. That's why they were preparing.
    24. +3
      April 7 2020 21: 03
      It is very interesting to read comments to articles where there is something about the Russian Guard, and it does not matter - about weapons, communications, or even about field kitchens, for example. All the same, various "good people" will run up and start shouting about "fighting the people", "watchdogs of the bloody regime", "guardsmen" and the like. At the same time, without even wondering what the article was about. Directly an indicator of some kind for a certain category of citizens (though it is not clear which country).
      1. +6
        April 7 2020 21: 26
        Quote: Forester1971
        It is very interesting to read comments to articles where there is something about the Russian Guard, and it does not matter - about weapons, communications, or even about field kitchens, for example. All the same, various "good people" will run up and start shouting about "fighting the people", "watchdogs of the bloody regime", "guardsmen" and the like. At the same time, without even wondering what the article was about. Directly an indicator of some kind for a certain category of citizens (though it is not clear which country)

        True, when they touch them personally, they shout help, where are you, we pay taxes. If they can scream, the end ... It’s just not touched yet, but what are their years? laughing
      2. -1
        April 7 2020 23: 29
        Tell me, forester 1971, and why this "guard" is this:
        1. +3
          April 8 2020 11: 33
          Quote: NordUral
          Tell me, forester 1971, and why this "guard" is this:

          In order not to suppress riots with the help of armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, like the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR.

          Oh, and by the way, why were there tanks, artillery and aircraft in the Soviet explosives? And 31 division?
          1. -1
            April 8 2020 12: 07
            I did not serve in the internal troops and I do not know why the VV tanks, etc.
            But I understand that now the "guard" is being armed against the people.
            Thieves are preparing for the rebellion of the people.
            1. +1
              April 10 2020 01: 01
              You look like a good fellow, a fighter ... laughing
              1. -1
                April 10 2020 10: 30
                The rats are all upstairs, Nameless.
                1. +1
                  April 10 2020 22: 14
                  And you began to be an honest, conscientious and disinterested fighter for the happiness of the working people - a kind of Danko, yes laughing ?
                  1. -1
                    April 11 2020 11: 25
                    No, just a man in his place, with his head and hands. And I think about what country will remain for our children and grandchildren with these rats upstairs, if at all.
                    1. +1
                      April 11 2020 22: 12
                      Oh, well, it's enough for you to tell about yourself how good / white / fluffy you are and how worried about the future of "your" lol country. I know about hypocrisy, and about social engineering, and about innuendo, and about a lot of other things - so you can not tell me your fables about "how good it used to be", "everything is gone" and "Putin is to blame for everything."
                      I also know very well that some countries strongly dislike the fact that, despite some remaining internal problems, we have generally risen from our knees and have already been actively interfering in other people's affairs for the past 7-8 years, defending our interests. That is why they are trying to arrange a coup - so that the country again gets mired in internal problems (a la the new 90s or 1917 and 1937) and strife and we have no time for business abroad. And you, the five-column agitators under the guise of communists and liberals, are trying in every possible way to promote this, under the guise of "free, objective and truthful" information insinuating the president, the government and the state in the eyes and minds of citizens. You just don't know one thing: this is that our country is not a banana republic, in which presidents and governments are forcibly changed every year under the pretext that the current ones are corrupt and corrupt in the interests of the West. The lessons of 1918 and 90s have been fully mastered by us.
                      PS - children and grandchildren should work like the previous generation, and not rest on its laurels and labor results as majors. In this case, the state will not rot.
                      1. -1
                        April 12 2020 11: 48
                        Oh, well, it's enough for you to tell about yourself how good / white / fluffy you are and how worried about the future of "your" lol country.

                        I am not white and far from fluffy, with people like you, even evil.
                        I know about hypocrisy, and about social engineering, and about innuendo, and about a lot of other things - so you can not tell me your fables about "how good it used to be", "everything is gone" and "Putin is to blame for everything."

                        I never wrote that everything was fine before, do not distort.
                        And you, the five-column agitators under the guise of communists and liberals, are trying in every possible way to contribute to this, under the guise of "free, objective and truthful" information insinuating the president, the government and the state in the eyes and minds of citizens.

                        The fifth column is the power of Russia today.

                        Only one thing is not familiar to you: it is that our country is not a banana republic, in which presidents and the government change violently every year under the pretext that the current ones are corrupt and corrupt in the interests of the West. The lessons of the 1918s and 90s have been completely learned by us.

                        Yes, Somalia has not yet been reached.

                        PS - children and grandchildren should work like the previous generation, and not rest on its laurels and labor results as majors. In this case, the state will not rot.

                        Speak well. The majors, having read, will immediately begin to work. And for the rest, decent jobs will appear.
                        1. +1
                          April 12 2020 15: 14
                          Quote: NordUral
                          I never wrote that everything was fine before, do not distort.

                          This is a derivative generalization from all lamentations on a similar theme to all agitators like you.

                          Quote: NordUral
                          The fifth column is the power of Russia today.

                          Do not be impudent. It can be seen that you are guided either by the audience of puberty - who will take what you say in a word, or by those who have not seen white light all their lives sitting indoors. With me, such tricks will not work.

                          Quote: NordUral
                          Yes, Somalia has not yet been reached.

                          Why not just post-nuclear wastelands a la "Mad Max 3"? laughing

                          Quote: NordUral
                          Speak well. The majors, having read, will immediately begin to work. And for the rest, decent jobs will appear.

                          This is a question parenting, the impact of culture and education, not the current social system... If it came to that, then the so-called. majors ("Young Immoral Redneck Provided by Parents") were also in the USSR - the children of diplomats are worth something!
                          You also have a good time with eloquence: there is artistry, pathos, and a claim for literature in the air -
                          Quote: NordUral
                          I think about what country will remain for our children and grandchildren with these rats upstairs
                          laughing
                        2. -1
                          April 12 2020 17: 52
                          Do not be impudent. It can be seen that you are guided either by the audience of puberty - who will take what you say in a word, or by those who have not seen white light all their lives sitting indoors. With me, such tricks will not work.

                          You better turn your head on, and then advise.
                        3. +1
                          April 13 2020 16: 04
                          Okay, continue to play your role of "fighter for all good and against all bad" - you might think that from the fact that I am writing you comments, you would agree with what I am writing about you.
                        4. -1
                          April 13 2020 16: 07
                          Let's settle for a draw, but butt is no good. And time will put everything in its place and appreciate
                        5. +1
                          April 13 2020 16: 14
                          I agree that spring will show who crap where laughing
                          Draw? Nah! Almost all of the popular resources in Runet, even those that have no (even distant) relation to politics, have already been spoiled by people like you with their wrestling comments. Thanks to people like you, after hard working days, people now have no peace and no opportunity to rest morally while reading articles on their favorite resource. So now you will not know my peace.
                        6. -1
                          April 13 2020 17: 29
                          Frightened the hedgehog with a bare fifth point.
    25. -1
      April 7 2020 21: 54
      And with whom is the Rosguard going to fight?
      1. +4
        April 7 2020 22: 39
        Quote: 16112014nk
        And with whom is the Rosguard going to fight?
        and with whom did BB fight in the USSR?
        The tasks are the same word for word .....
    26. 0
      April 8 2020 10: 01
      Something a lot of them divorced pp, but what about pp-hero, pp2000?
      1. +1
        April 10 2020 09: 11
        PP2000 is quite used by the FSVNG staff - in particular, private security.
    27. 0
      April 8 2020 10: 28
      Quote: 3danimal
      Not better to produce under license CZ or Glock?

      Glock do but there is a price tag ....
    28. 0
      April 8 2020 13: 58
      "Currently, this submachine gun is in service with units of the FSB and FSO, as well as some special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs." But why is the Russian Guard? It is "State military organization in the Russian Federation, designed to ensure state and public security, protection of human and civil rights and freedoms; reorganized from the internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia." Which of the protesters walks in class 2 bulletproof vests?
      1. +1
        April 10 2020 09: 02
        Do not pretend to be stupid. In your opinion, the protection of public order is the only task performed by the FSWNG? But what about:
        1). protection of important state facilities, special cargoes, facilities on communications in accordance with the lists approved by the Government of the Russian Federation;
        2). participation in the fight against terrorism and extremism;
        3). participation in ensuring regimes of emergency, martial law, the legal regime of counter-terrorism operations;
        4). participation in the territorial defense of the Russian Federation;
        5). assisting the border agencies of the federal security service in protecting the state border of the Russian Federation;
        6). federal state control (supervision) over compliance with the legislation of the Russian Federation in the field of arms trafficking and in the field of private security and private detective activities, as well as for ensuring the security of the fuel and energy complex, the activities of legal entities with special statutory tasks and departmental security units ;
        7). the protection of particularly important and sensitive facilities, facilities subject to mandatory protection by the troops of the national guard, in accordance with the list approved by the Government of the Russian Federation, the protection of property of individuals and legal entities under contracts;
        8). ensuring, by a decision of the President of the Russian Federation, the security of senior officials of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation (heads of the highest executive bodies of state power of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation) and other persons.
    29. +1
      April 8 2020 14: 06
      Quote: 3danimal
      You are wrong: in the newspaper Pravda then wrote that Amin was executed by the angry Afghan people. smile

      There are stories of former "alphas" how they stormed the Palace of Amin. And there, for some reason, NOBODY saw the "angry Afghan people." In fairy tales, and not like that.
    30. +1
      April 10 2020 08: 54
      Quote: CommanderDIVA
      For special services, police structures, I agree, for example, in the police of different states in the USA, but it is economically and strategically more profitable for us to have a single pistol for all security forces (for example Nagan, TT and PM for many years), and for the development of super-healthy competition among Russian manufacturers of pistols to enter the foreign market, I haven’t heard anything about the supply of our pistols to other countries

      They may have different requirements for a pistol: for army soldiers, a pistol is a weapon of self-defense for officers and some other categories of military personnel — they don’t go on the attack with him, so a simple and reliable weapon that doesn’t fail is ready for battle immediately after being removed from Holsters and will certainly hit the enemy. For law enforcement officials, a pistol is already a type of service weapon, there may already be other requirements: a high stopping power of a cartridge, a large magazine, the use of polymers in a structure to lighten weight, the absence of the possibility of an accidental shot, etc. - i.e. all that would be unnecessary to the army team in the gun. Give the special forces of all departments the opportunity to install a silencer, a firing center, tritium inserts, anatomical pads on the handle and other tactical bells and whistles that are unnecessary for ordinary warriors and police officers. Give bodyguards a hidden-carrying pistol - extremely short-barrel, narrow and low in height - which suggests that the sample will be with a small store, but which can be hidden under clothes. All these requirements, to one degree or another, determine the future performance characteristics and appearance of the weapon - and therefore each department orders a gun purely for its specificity and military service activities.

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