Strength of tradition: Vietnam abandoned western corvettes

Historically, Hanoi relied on Soviet weapons system. In recent years, a certain drift towards Western technology has become noticeable. However, in reality they turned out to be adapted to the Vietnamese military traditions, closely related to Russian supplies.

It seemed that the transfer of Hanoi to the South Korean Pohang class corvettes marked the beginning of the transition process fleet to Western weapons.

However, even they were converted to Vietnamese standards and are now equipped with Russian missile systems [RCC "Uran"] and machine guns

- indicates the publication of VNDefense.

Now, active military-technical cooperation with the West has been called into question altogether. It was assumed that Vietnam’s order for Sigma 9814 class Dutch corvettes would open a new market and squeeze Russia, which, by tradition, had deep roots in this country.

As planned, Dutch ships from the Russian Federation were to receive only Kamov helicopters [Ka-28 PLO]. It was expected that the main armament will be of Western origin: 8 anti-ship missiles Exocet MM40 Block 3, 12 SAM MBDA MICA VL, one 76-mm gun Oto Melara Super Rapid, two 30-mm artillery mounts Oto Melara MARLIN-WS.

The people's fleet has always been oriented towards the Eastern bloc. If Sigma was bought, Vietnam would have to go in the direction of acquiring Western shells and rockets for the corvette

- notes VNDefense.

The publication believes that "very few countries would be ready to sell it to Vietnam," especially the Exoset anti-ship missiles. In the end, as it reports, Hanoi has refused a deal to buy corvettes.

Comments

[Pereira]

Globalization is globalization, and Vietnam is still a potential adversary for the West.

[Teberii]

They will only be sold if the service is completely behind them and the armament too.

[Mebius]

Quote: Pereira

and Vietnam is still a potential adversary for the West.

And the Vietnamese directly say that the United States will always remain enemies, although they have to trade with them .. They are all waiting for Russia and very sorry that we left all abandoned and do not want to trade with them ..... And at the expense of standard weapons they think right ... And the Indians bought everything that glitters and in which case they will cry with bitter tears ..

[askort154]

Moebiuss .... They are all waiting for Russia and very much regret that we left all abandoned and do not want to trade with them ...

But the old "love" is gone. They refused us to return our naval base in Cam Ranh. They said that it would be open to all countries to ensure shipping, but not to the permanent Russian base.
Vietnam is now pursuing a multi-vector policy, not giving preference to anyone. They even trade and maintain relations with the Americans.
But they do not kiss in a hickey, like many countries. The old generation remembers everything.

[ccsr]

Quote: askort154

But the old "love" is gone. They refused to return us to our naval base in Cam Ranh.

What other base in Camrani can we talk about if we abandoned Lourdes? The base in Kamrani was, by and large, not particularly necessary for us from a military point of view - we designated it more by its content, which would not allow China’s aggression against the Vietnamese.

Quote: askort154

Vietnam is now pursuing a multi-vector policy, not giving preference to anyone. They even trade and maintain relations with the Americans.

Do not forget that the entire senior military leadership of Vietnam studied with us, and they not only studied with us, but also built their armed forces according to our model, which is why it is more convenient for them to take our equipment, so that later they can train officers at our schools and academies.

Quote: askort154

The old generation remembers everything.

So they will provide a return to our weapons, especially since they still pray on Ho Chi Minh.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: askort154

They refused us the return of our naval base in Kamrani.

In fact, "our" base was once built by the empirialists represented by the American military ...
... which we threw in the noughties ....
and when it is returned, there’s nothing for us to base there on the whole KTOF 4 BOD ...

They even trade and maintain relations with the Americans.

Well, if the Russian Federation does not trade with Vietnam, then what is left for them to wait for the "second coming" or what?

[ism_ek]

The base in Kamrani is intended for the deployment of aircraft carriers, which we simply do not have. Even if Vietnam gives it away for free. We will have to maintain it at our own expense. And this is a lot of money. It is more logical to buy new ships on them. This base is also not suitable for aviation, as evidenced by the disaster with our dryers in the mid-90s

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Pereira

Globalization is globalization, and Vietnam is still a potential adversary for the West.

Enemy? What did you mean? In my opinion, they see Vietnam only as a possible market for everything they can.

[Pereira]

And the Vietnamese thought so until they encountered the problem described in the article. We also thought in the 90s that the Cold War was over.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Pereira

And the Vietnamese thought so until they encountered the problem described in the article. We also thought in the 90s that the Cold War was over.

1. What problem is described in the article indicating that Vietnam is an adversary of the West?
2. That you thought the Cold War was over. I, like many, did not think so.

[Pereira]

1.

The publication believes that "very few countries would be willing to sell it to Vietnam," especially the Exocet RCC.

2. After 30 years, you can say anything.

[Finches]

In 2004, GDP made a strategic mistake - Camran left - but then the Vietnamese demanded a lot of money to find our base - something like 200, if not more than millions of dollars a year! Then we still didn’t draw such a sum ... Americans and Chinese were famously handling the Vietnamese - they then pulled such a sum, even doubled it, but Vietnam reasoned that there wouldn’t be more military bases of other states on its territory - even if they were great! It was necessary to strain up GDP then, but history has no subjunctive moods and wise Klio thanked Russia by returning Crimea, and then allowed to turn around in Syria! Vietnam began to see clearly that he had set the wrong horse, and that’s changing!

[Artunis]

Vietnam is simply doomed to remain in our zone of influence - on the one hand "friendly" China, on the other the genetic memory of "Western democracy". Where do they go then?

[Liam]

Quote from rudolf

It's not about the money

Maybe the fact is that with the current trends there will soon be more bases than ships capable of sailing to them

[Liam]

To refuse or not depends on the position of Vietnam, which stated that it would not allow the appearance of any military bases on its territory

[Liam]

There, the contract expired in 2004 according to anyone. How PMT is used sporadically or at least used until recently

[Liam]

In 93 it was not necessary to renew. The contract was from 79 to 25 years old. Air tankers refuel there when they provide flights for strategists. Repair of submarines, too.

[ccsr]

Quote: Liam

There, the contract expired in 2004 according to anyone. How PMT is used sporadically or at least used until recently

It’s absolutely true, and there was no sense in maintaining it, because our fleet has shrunk, and containing what cannot be used for operational purposes is a waste of money.

[Alexey RA]

Quote from rudolf

There was a unique base. Both naval and aviation. Would scrape together.

Where to scrape something from?
After the great sale of the 90s, the Pacific Fleet both shrank to the level of the flotilla and remained it (they tried hard Soviet-trained officers, which is already there). He cannot even cover or fill in the bases available to him in the Russian Federation. I’m not talking about the sluggish repair of ships.
Regarding the aviation component: in Soviet times, a mixed air regiment — MRA, reconnaissance aircraft, and fighter aircraft — was based in Kamrani. MRA is no more. And how many Pacific Fleet air regiments now? More precisely, how many airborne regiments do we have in the Far East - Air Force and Navy? And who will have to leave without cover for Kamrani?

[den3080]

Quote: Pereira

Globalization is globalization, and Vietnam is still a potential adversary for the West.

at the end of World War II and some time after its end, the United States quite actively helped the detachments of Vietnam, that is, Ho Chi Minh. Weapons, instructors.
At the first parade / demonstration in Hanoi, the Vietnamese even carried portraits of Truman in holiday columns.
Then Ho Chi Minh quite successfully interacted with the French and sent French troops to Tonkin, Annam and Kokhinhinu (this is actually all of present-day Vietnam).
However, having not received recognition of the independence of these former 3 French protectorates, he overstepped and drove the French (there was a rather tough fight).
And here the USSR appeared as support and an older brother and the Chinese comrades, and then the Americans pulled themselves up (as part of a global confrontation with the spread of communism)
Such a story.
If the French were smarter - Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia would remain in the zone of influence of the West. But the French were not up to that time .. for many reasons, which were much closer (territorially), more tangible and therefore more dangerous than the “mess” in faraway Indochina.
Recently, the West has been actively working to return Vietnam to its zone of influence, the struggle for zones of influence continues shorter.

[Atlant-1164]

here the principle already applies: if he cheated once, he will cheat twice.

[Chaldon48]

Vietnam, an adversary also for China

[lwxx]

In order to completely switch under Western weapons, one must lie under the Americans. And Vietnam is unlikely to do this soon, the Chinese samples do not shine for them either, and they don’t really want to.

[Operator]

As a result of the global market crisis, Vietnam ended up with a bare bottom, "remembered" that it had fought with the United States, not the USSR, and, according to the experience of past years, asked to supply Russian weapons for free.

Grandmas from the American ally must be cut to the full.

[smart fellow]

They didn’t mix anything up. Who is bare ass?
In Vietnam, there is no single minimum wage for the whole country; it is established in the four economic regions of the country.
region I - 4,42 million dong ($ 190,51) or 190 * 80 = 15200 rubles.
From January 1, 2019 according to Art. 1 of the Federal Law of June 19.06.2000, 82 No. 07.03.2018-FZ (as amended on March 11, 280) “On the minimum wage”, the minimum wage is XNUMX rubles per month.

[Vasyan1971]

In the end, as it reports, Hanoi has refused a deal to buy corvettes.

Common sense prevailed. Not everyone can brag about it.

[Shadow041]

I don’t think that it’s all about the West’s reluctance to sell Exocet’s new anti-ship missiles with a maximum range of 180 km to Vietnam ... Probably in Vietnam they realized that Uranus missile launchers with a range of 260 km look better ... And sell to Vietnam the West is not ready for more modern missiles, in addition, an international agreement is in force prohibiting the sale of anti-ship missiles with a range of more than 300 km ...

[knn54]

If the SRV will buy ships from Russia, then most likely frigates.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: knn54

If the SRV will buy ships from Russia, then most likely frigates.

Colleague, I welcome you!
Probably, all the same corvettes ("heavy corvettes", as they say in the West). And here are the reasons:
1. Expensive toys, these very "frigates", each for 20 billion rubles (this is somewhere around $ 310-350 million)
2. The SRV fleet does not have the task of maintaining a database in the DMZ. Their task is to defend the disputed islands and control BMZ. And for this, 6 pr. 636.1 submarines with 3M-54K on board and 6 corvettes (SKR) pr. 11661 "Gepard 3.9" with 16 (!) Kh-35U anti-ship missiles are quite enough.
To all other they themselves make the missile pr. 1241.8 "Molniya" (14 units) and produce P-5 (Soviet anti-ship missiles) with increased firing to 550 km D.
In addition, 15 Yakhont anti-ship missiles were bought to guard the coast, which they encrypt under BrahMos.
So, the SRV fleet has something to meet with foes on distant approaches, something to upset at BMZ.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

I hope Vietnam will not forget that the Soviet Union did not help them out of self-interest, and when choosing weapons equal in characteristics, they would choose Russian systems and thus support Russia both economically and politically, while making their country stronger and more secure.

[Ross xnumx]

The publication believes that “Very few countries would be willing to sell it to Vietnam”, Especially it concerns Exocet RCC. In the end, as it reports, Hanoi has refused a deal to buy corvettes.

And what does the publication think about the supply of weapons during the American invasion of 1965-1974?
Here is one good uncle:

In September, Russia’s 2000 was written off $ 9,53 billion from Vietnam’s $ 11,03 billion.

With a hypothetical resumption of arms sales to Vietnam, how will it settle accounts with the defense industry of the Russian Federation? Hamrankami? Or, according to the example of neighbors, will start supplying bamboo oil?

[boris epstein]

The Vietsovpetro company’s work on oil production on the Vietnamese shelf was restored in 2005. That's the amount of oil calculated. Yes, and the basing of the Russian fleet in the Kamran base is also a presence in the Indian Ocean.

[boris epstein]

Vietnamese leaders are well aware that you cannot trust the West as a partner. The purchase of military equipment is also a contract for maintenance, supply of ammunition, repairs, and training of personnel. It turns out that there is a disagreement in the supply (other calibers, other spare parts, other performance characteristics, other skills of the personnel). Everything is NOT INTERCHANGEABLE.

[Alexey RA]

The publication believes that "very few countries would be willing to sell it to Vietnam," especially the Exocet RCC.

Yes ... about the "Exocets" the same Argentines can confirm.
However, ours are not without sin - Iran is an example of this.

[Protos]

That is the classic game of Asian traders and blackmailing the prices of the Russian defense industry

[Oleg Olkha]

Damen SIGMA corvettes are undoubtedly among the leaders in the market, it is clear that they are expensive. Exocet as a "cause"? Anti-ship missiles (and not only them ...) have South Africa, Israel (regular contracts with Vietnam) South Africa, Japan, India, and Gabriel-5, following the example of Finland, is fully integrated under the Thales radar and combat control system (like the Finns under SAAB) Facebook posting may have really been abandoned after estimating costs and maintenance.

[ZaharoFF]

Vietnam will remain an adversary for the collective West for a long time - potential or real - it does not matter. Both are likely. The Vietnamese memory is not as short as that of our neighbors.