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Strength of tradition: Vietnam abandoned western corvettes

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Historically, Hanoi relied on Soviet weapons system. In recent years, a certain drift towards Western technology has become noticeable. However, in reality they turned out to be adapted to the Vietnamese military traditions, closely related to Russian supplies.


It seemed that the transfer of Hanoi to the South Korean Pohang class corvettes marked the beginning of the transition process fleet to Western weapons.

However, even they were converted to Vietnamese standards and are now equipped with Russian missile systems [RCC "Uran"] and machine guns

- indicates the publication of VNDefense.

Now, active military-technical cooperation with the West has been called into question altogether. It was assumed that Vietnam’s order for Sigma 9814 class Dutch corvettes would open a new market and squeeze Russia, which, by tradition, had deep roots in this country.

As planned, Dutch ships from the Russian Federation were to receive only Kamov helicopters [Ka-28 PLO]. It was expected that the main armament will be of Western origin: 8 anti-ship missiles Exocet MM40 Block 3, 12 SAM MBDA MICA VL, one 76-mm gun Oto Melara Super Rapid, two 30-mm artillery mounts Oto Melara MARLIN-WS.

The people's fleet has always been oriented towards the Eastern bloc. If Sigma was bought, Vietnam would have to go in the direction of acquiring Western shells and rockets for the corvette

- notes VNDefense.

The publication believes that "very few countries would be ready to sell it to Vietnam," especially the Exoset anti-ship missiles. In the end, as it reports, Hanoi has refused a deal to buy corvettes.
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  1. Pereira
    Pereira April 7 2020 09: 58 New
    10
    Globalization is globalization, and Vietnam is still a potential adversary for the West.
    1. Teberii
      Teberii April 7 2020 10: 05 New
      +7
      They will only be sold if the service is completely behind them and the armament too.
    2. Mebius
      Mebius April 7 2020 10: 05 New
      +5
      Quote: Pereira
      and Vietnam is still a potential adversary for the West.

      And the Vietnamese directly say that the United States will always remain enemies, although they have to trade with them .. They are all waiting for Russia and very sorry that we left all abandoned and do not want to trade with them ..... And at the expense of standard weapons they think right ... And the Indians bought everything that glitters and in which case they will cry with bitter tears ..
      1. askort154
        askort154 April 7 2020 10: 34 New
        +9
        Moebiuss .... They are all waiting for Russia and very much regret that we left all abandoned and do not want to trade with them ...

        But the old "love" is gone. They refused us to return our naval base in Cam Ranh. They said that it would be open to all countries to ensure shipping, but not to the permanent Russian base.
        Vietnam is now pursuing a multi-vector policy, not giving preference to anyone. They even trade and maintain relations with the Americans.
        But they do not kiss in a hickey, like many countries. The old generation remembers everything.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr April 8 2020 18: 41 New
          0
          Quote: askort154
          But the old "love" is gone. They refused to return us to our naval base in Cam Ranh.

          What other base in Camrani can we talk about if we abandoned Lourdes? The base in Kamrani was, by and large, not particularly necessary for us from a military point of view - we designated it more by its content, which would not allow China’s aggression against the Vietnamese.
          Quote: askort154
          Vietnam is now pursuing a multi-vector policy, not giving preference to anyone. They even trade and maintain relations with the Americans.

          Do not forget that the entire senior military leadership of Vietnam studied with us, and they not only studied with us, but also built their armed forces according to our model, which is why it is more convenient for them to take our equipment, so that later they can train officers at our schools and academies.
          Quote: askort154
          The old generation remembers everything.

          So they will provide a return to our weapons, especially since they still pray on Ho Chi Minh.
        2. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft April 9 2020 00: 40 New
          0
          Quote: askort154
          They refused us the return of our naval base in Kamrani.

          In fact, "our" base was once built by the empirialists represented by the American military ...
          ... which we threw in the noughties ....
          and when it is returned, there’s nothing for us to base there on the whole KTOF 4 BOD ...
          They even trade and maintain relations with the Americans.

          Well, if the Russian Federation does not trade with Vietnam, then what is left for them to wait for the "second coming" or what?
        3. ism_ek
          ism_ek April 9 2020 08: 34 New
          0
          The base in Kamrani is intended for the deployment of aircraft carriers, which we simply do not have. Even if Vietnam gives it away for free. We will have to maintain it at our own expense. And this is a lot of money. It is more logical to buy new ships on them. This base is also not suitable for aviation, as evidenced by the disaster with our dryers in the mid-90s
    3. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk April 7 2020 10: 21 New
      +8
      Quote: Pereira
      Globalization is globalization, and Vietnam is still a potential adversary for the West.

      Enemy? What did you mean? In my opinion, they see Vietnam only as a possible market for everything they can.
      1. Pereira
        Pereira April 7 2020 10: 53 New
        +5
        And the Vietnamese thought so until they encountered the problem described in the article. We also thought in the 90s that the Cold War was over.
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk April 7 2020 11: 50 New
          +8
          Quote: Pereira
          And the Vietnamese thought so until they encountered the problem described in the article. We also thought in the 90s that the Cold War was over.

          1. What problem is described in the article indicating that Vietnam is an adversary of the West?
          2. That you thought the Cold War was over. I, like many, did not think so.
          1. Pereira
            Pereira April 7 2020 12: 03 New
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            1.
            The publication believes that "very few countries would be willing to sell it to Vietnam," especially the Exocet RCC.

            2. After 30 years, you can say anything.
    4. Finches
      Finches April 7 2020 10: 27 New
      +1
      In 2004, GDP made a strategic mistake - Camran left - but then the Vietnamese demanded a lot of money to find our base - something like 200, if not more than millions of dollars a year! Then we still didn’t draw such a sum ... Americans and Chinese were famously handling the Vietnamese - they then pulled such a sum, even doubled it, but Vietnam reasoned that there wouldn’t be more military bases of other states on its territory - even if they were great! It was necessary to strain up GDP then, but history has no subjunctive moods and wise Klio thanked Russia by returning Crimea, and then allowed to turn around in Syria! Vietnam began to see clearly that he had set the wrong horse, and that’s changing!
      1. Artunis
        Artunis April 7 2020 11: 18 New
        +6
        Vietnam is simply doomed to remain in our zone of influence - on the one hand "friendly" China, on the other the genetic memory of "Western democracy". Where do they go then?
      2. rudolff
        rudolff April 7 2020 11: 38 New
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        "Then we haven’t pulled such an amount ..." What have we not pulled? Putin forgave Vietnam nearly 10 billion dollars of national debt, exchanging debt for rent, could sit in Cam Ranh until they got tired of themselves. The situation is similar with Cuba. It's not about the money. It's about politics and the desire to once again lick the West and the Americans.
        1. Liam
          Liam April 7 2020 12: 01 New
          +5
          Quote: rudolff
          It's not about the money

          Maybe the fact is that with the current trends there will soon be more bases than ships capable of sailing to them
          1. rudolff
            rudolff April 7 2020 12: 38 New
            10
            There was a unique base. Both naval and aviation. Would scrape together. It was impossible to refuse Kamrani. The fact that there are no ships is a separate issue. In power thirty years, traders, not creators.
            1. Liam
              Liam April 7 2020 13: 36 New
              +2
              To refuse or not depends on the position of Vietnam, which stated that it would not allow the appearance of any military bases on its territory
              1. rudolff
                rudolff April 7 2020 13: 48 New
                +4
                That it was impossible to refuse Kamrani, I wrote in the past tense. And now the train has left. In the best case, a small PMTO Navy, and even then it is doubtful.
                1. Liam
                  Liam April 7 2020 14: 16 New
                  0
                  There, the contract expired in 2004 according to anyone. How PMT is used sporadically or at least used until recently
                  1. rudolff
                    rudolff April 7 2020 14: 48 New
                    +5
                    Both in the 93rd extended, and in 2004 they would have extended without problems.
                    How PMTO Kamran is not used for the simple reason that PMTO is not there.
                    There is an "intergovernmental agreement on a simplified procedure for the entry of Russian warships and ships into the Vietnamese port of Cam Ranh" from 2014, according to which our ships sometimes enter Cam Ranh for bunkering.
                    1. Liam
                      Liam April 7 2020 16: 31 New
                      +1
                      In 93 it was not necessary to renew. The contract was from 79 to 25 years old. Air tankers refuel there when they provide flights for strategists. Repair of submarines, too.
                      1. rudolff
                        rudolff April 7 2020 17: 28 New
                        +2
                        Repair of Vietnamese boats, previously delivered six Warsaw. We have helped to equip the base and provide technical assistance in the maintenance of these submarines.
                  2. ccsr
                    ccsr April 8 2020 18: 45 New
                    0
                    Quote: Liam
                    There, the contract expired in 2004 according to anyone. How PMT is used sporadically or at least used until recently

                    It’s absolutely true, and there was no sense in maintaining it, because our fleet has shrunk, and containing what cannot be used for operational purposes is a waste of money.
            2. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA April 8 2020 12: 51 New
              +1
              Quote: rudolff
              There was a unique base. Both naval and aviation. Would scrape together.

              Where to scrape something from?
              After the great sale of the 90s, the Pacific Fleet both shrank to the level of the flotilla and remained it (they tried hard Soviet-trained officers, which is already there). He cannot even cover or fill in the bases available to him in the Russian Federation. I’m not talking about the sluggish repair of ships.
              Regarding the aviation component: in Soviet times, a mixed air regiment — MRA, reconnaissance aircraft, and fighter aircraft — was based in Kamrani. MRA is no more. And how many Pacific Fleet air regiments now? More precisely, how many airborne regiments do we have in the Far East - Air Force and Navy? And who will have to leave without cover for Kamrani?
    5. den3080
      den3080 April 7 2020 10: 36 New
      +3
      Quote: Pereira
      Globalization is globalization, and Vietnam is still a potential adversary for the West.

      at the end of World War II and some time after its end, the United States quite actively helped the detachments of Vietnam, that is, Ho Chi Minh. Weapons, instructors.
      At the first parade / demonstration in Hanoi, the Vietnamese even carried portraits of Truman in holiday columns.
      Then Ho Chi Minh quite successfully interacted with the French and sent French troops to Tonkin, Annam and Kokhinhinu (this is actually all of present-day Vietnam).
      However, having not received recognition of the independence of these former 3 French protectorates, he overstepped and drove the French (there was a rather tough fight).
      And here the USSR appeared as support and an older brother and the Chinese comrades, and then the Americans pulled themselves up (as part of a global confrontation with the spread of communism)
      Such a story.
      If the French were smarter - Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia would remain in the zone of influence of the West. But the French were not up to that time .. for many reasons, which were much closer (territorially), more tangible and therefore more dangerous than the “mess” in faraway Indochina.
      Recently, the West has been actively working to return Vietnam to its zone of influence, the struggle for zones of influence continues shorter.
    6. Atlant-1164
      Atlant-1164 April 7 2020 11: 33 New
      +9
      here the principle already applies: if he cheated once, he will cheat twice.
    7. Chaldon48
      Chaldon48 April 7 2020 17: 03 New
      +1
      Vietnam, an adversary also for China
  2. lwxx
    lwxx April 7 2020 10: 01 New
    +4
    In order to completely switch under Western weapons, one must lie under the Americans. And Vietnam is unlikely to do this soon, the Chinese samples do not shine for them either, and they don’t really want to.
  3. Operator
    Operator April 7 2020 10: 23 New
    -5
    As a result of the global market crisis, Vietnam ended up with a bare bottom, "remembered" that it had fought with the United States, not the USSR, and, according to the experience of past years, asked to supply Russian weapons for free.

    Grandmas from the American ally must be cut to the full.
    1. smart fellow
      smart fellow April 7 2020 14: 26 New
      +5
      They didn’t mix anything up. Who is bare ass?
      In Vietnam, there is no single minimum wage for the whole country; it is established in the four economic regions of the country.
      region I - 4,42 million dong ($ 190,51) or 190 * 80 = 15200 rubles.
      From January 1, 2019 according to Art. 1 of the Federal Law of June 19.06.2000, 82 No. 07.03.2018-FZ (as amended on March 11, 280) “On the minimum wage”, the minimum wage is XNUMX rubles per month.
  4. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 April 7 2020 10: 41 New
    +3
    In the end, as it reports, Hanoi has refused a deal to buy corvettes.

    Common sense prevailed. Not everyone can brag about it.
  5. Shadow041
    Shadow041 April 7 2020 10: 50 New
    +6
    I don’t think that it’s all about the West’s reluctance to sell Exocet’s new anti-ship missiles with a maximum range of 180 km to Vietnam ... Probably in Vietnam they realized that Uranus missile launchers with a range of 260 km look better ... And sell to Vietnam the West is not ready for more modern missiles, in addition, an international agreement is in force prohibiting the sale of anti-ship missiles with a range of more than 300 km ...
  6. knn54
    knn54 April 7 2020 10: 59 New
    0
    If the SRV will buy ships from Russia, then most likely frigates.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa April 7 2020 12: 45 New
      +6
      Quote: knn54
      If the SRV will buy ships from Russia, then most likely frigates.

      Colleague, I welcome you! hi
      Probably, all the same corvettes ("heavy corvettes", as they say in the West). And here are the reasons:
      1. Expensive toys, these very "frigates", each for 20 billion rubles (this is somewhere around $ 310-350 million)
      2. The SRV fleet does not have the task of maintaining a database in the DMZ. Their task is to defend the disputed islands and control BMZ. And for this, 6 pr. 636.1 submarines with 3M-54K on board and 6 corvettes (SKR) pr. 11661 "Gepard 3.9" with 16 (!) Kh-35U anti-ship missiles are quite enough.
      To all other they themselves make the missile pr. 1241.8 "Molniya" (14 units) and produce P-5 (Soviet anti-ship missiles) with increased firing to 550 km D.
      In addition, 15 Yakhont anti-ship missiles were bought to guard the coast, which they encrypt under BrahMos.
      So, the SRV fleet has something to meet with foes on distant approaches, something to upset at BMZ.
  7. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan April 7 2020 11: 46 New
    0
    I hope Vietnam will not forget that the Soviet Union did not help them out of self-interest, and when choosing weapons equal in characteristics, they would choose Russian systems and thus support Russia both economically and politically, while making their country stronger and more secure.
  8. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx April 8 2020 03: 56 New
    0
    The publication believes that “Very few countries would be willing to sell it to Vietnam”, Especially it concerns Exocet RCC. In the end, as it reports, Hanoi has refused a deal to buy corvettes.

    And what does the publication think about the supply of weapons during the American invasion of 1965-1974?
    Here is one good uncle:
    In September, Russia’s 2000 was written off $ 9,53 billion from Vietnam’s $ 11,03 billion.

    With a hypothetical resumption of arms sales to Vietnam, how will it settle accounts with the defense industry of the Russian Federation? Hamrankami? Or, according to the example of neighbors, will start supplying bamboo oil?
    1. boris epstein
      boris epstein April 8 2020 12: 50 New
      +1
      The Vietsovpetro company’s work on oil production on the Vietnamese shelf was restored in 2005. That's the amount of oil calculated. Yes, and the basing of the Russian fleet in the Kamran base is also a presence in the Indian Ocean.
  9. boris epstein
    boris epstein April 8 2020 12: 44 New
    +1
    Vietnamese leaders are well aware that you cannot trust the West as a partner. The purchase of military equipment is also a contract for maintenance, supply of ammunition, repairs, and training of personnel. It turns out that there is a disagreement in the supply (other calibers, other spare parts, other performance characteristics, other skills of the personnel). Everything is NOT INTERCHANGEABLE.
  10. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA April 8 2020 12: 44 New
    0
    The publication believes that "very few countries would be willing to sell it to Vietnam," especially the Exocet RCC.

    Yes ... about the "Exocets" the same Argentines can confirm. smile
    However, ours are not without sin - Iran is an example of this.
  11. Protos
    Protos April 8 2020 14: 13 New
    0
    That is the classic game of Asian traders and blackmailing the prices of the Russian defense industry yes
  12. Oleg Olkha
    Oleg Olkha April 8 2020 19: 41 New
    0
    Damen SIGMA corvettes are undoubtedly among the leaders in the market, it is clear that they are expensive. Exocet as a "cause"? Anti-ship missiles (and not only them ...) have South Africa, Israel (regular contracts with Vietnam) South Africa, Japan, India, and Gabriel-5, following the example of Finland, is fully integrated under the Thales radar and combat control system (like the Finns under SAAB) Facebook posting may have really been abandoned after estimating costs and maintenance.
  13. ZaharoFF
    ZaharoFF April 9 2020 09: 52 New
    0
    Vietnam will remain an adversary for the collective West for a long time - potential or real - it does not matter. Both are likely. The Vietnamese memory is not as short as that of our neighbors.