Sweden without quarantine: the country's chief epidemiologist spoke about the situation

Sweden continues to be one of the few countries in the world where the authorities decided at the moment not to introduce harsh isolation measures and quarantine in connection with the situation of coronavirus. Cafes and restaurants continue to operate in Sweden, parks and squares are open, and free movement through the streets is allowed.

In this regard, the Swedish statistics on COVID-19 is noteworthy. In addition, in a number of European countries they express frank bewilderment of Stockholm's "solidarity". So, a journalist from Norway, neighboring Sweden, Oisten Bogen, notes that the editorial board did not recommend him a visit to Sweden.

The situation with the new coronavirus and the measures taken was commented on by the country's main state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell. According to Tegnell, to date, 7206 cases of COVID-19 infection have been confirmed in Sweden. According to this indicator, the kingdom is in 19th place in the world.

For comparison: Russia - on the 20th (6351 cases identified). At the same time, the number of deaths from a new coronavirus in Sweden is significantly higher than in Russia - 477 against 51. The mortality rate is 6,62 against 0,81 Russian. At the same time, Swedish mortality rates are much lower than those of the "quarantine" Italy, Spain, and Britain.

According to Tegnell, the state epidemiological service assesses the situation using the seasonal flu incidence curve. In other words, they are not yet intent on sharing the disease in the Swedish service.

Anders Tagnell:

We can say that our biggest problem now is that we got an infection in a large number of elderly people, mainly in Stockholm. This is the reason that the mortality rate is relatively high.

At the same time, the chief epidemiologist of Sweden notes that at the moment, for older people who feel unwell, it is important to stay at home and observe personal hygiene rules.

In the Swedish edition of Svenska Dagbladet, Tegnell's statement cites some problems with testing the disease. According to him, with the tests that are available today, it is almost pointless to test people without symptoms.

Recall that earlier French scientists who studied biomaterials of the first patients with coronavirus in France (and these were five Chinese citizens), also noted that the test on only one sample of the biomaterial in most cases will not show anything. It was noted that a comprehensive test was needed: a blood test, samples of the mucous membrane from the nasopharynx, as well as feces and urine tests.

A Swedish newspaper noted that Sweden’s state epidemiologist was unable to unequivocally comment on the WHO statement that coronavirus can be transmitted by airborne droplets.

Moreover, in Sweden itself, opinions regarding the situation and the actions of the authorities were divided. Some urge to immediately take advantage of the experience of China and prohibit any movement. Others argue with them, stating that if everything was "very bad and uncontrollable," then in Sweden, where there is no quarantine, by this time much more than 477 people would have died.

Comments

[Victor_B]

Time will tell who was the smartest and who the most cunning.
In fact, Sweden and Belgium (or the Netherlands?) Are conducting a field experiment to combat coronavirus by isolating ONLY risk groups.
Sweden method vs China method!
So let's look at the result.

[nPuBaTuP]

No matter how you later had to help them again ..... because of their stupidity ....

[dauria]

No matter how you later had to help them again ..... because of their stupidity ....

Population density, traffic, tourists, average number of contacts between people per day ... everything is important. Surely there are computer models. Data on movement at different times of the day, time of year can be taken from mobile operators. I do not believe that the special services will not take their data, if necessary. A prediction of the situation can be made. Maybe really smoothly get sick - and that’s it.
The only thing that is against such a decision is if they suddenly invent a vaccine, and someone gets sick and dies before they get it.

[Ilya-spb]

How did Lavrov talk about such people? D ... ly

[Svarog]

Quote: Ilya-spb

How did Lavrov talk about such people? D ... ly

This example is clearly not appropriate here .. It’s better to see how they take care of their citizens in different countries .. I’ve heard 24 now, the Japanese have a tax deferral for a year, and a subsidy for salary that can be returned for three years .. Here an approach that demonstrates the state’s concern for citizens .. and we have not even removed interest on loans .. a disgrace ..

[Reserve officer]

Not that interest has not been removed from loans. A brazenly promoted. Today I transferred another payment in the amount of 5500 rubles to the Vostochny bank card. They took 3883 rubles for themselves. Those. slightly more than 70%.

[Svarog]

Quote: Stock Officer

Not that interest has not been removed from loans. A brazenly promoted. Today I transferred another payment in the amount of 5500 rubles to the Vostochny bank card. They took 3883 rubles for themselves. Those. slightly more than 70%.

Well, I have not yet encountered such impudence .. 1% is taken, but I don’t even know .. maybe the scammers just stole money from you?

[Reserve officer]

Vladimir, of course, scammers. Bank management. For three years they took 30%, last year - 40, now the first month - 70. I do not know the worst bank in the country. And a week before payment, a whole hysteria is made by phone calls and SMS, 2-3 times a day. I called their common number - they say, what's up? They say that everything is legal - they can remind you of an upcoming payment up to 6 times a day.
For example, in Sberbank or VTB there is no such bestiality at all. It turns out - the smaller the bank, the more stink and greed.
You are just my comment, apparently not carefully read. This is not a bank transfer when they charge a fee, but a credit card. According to which, as one lady from the Central Bank said, they should now take it very moderately, at the level of average interest, somewhere around 20%.

[Svarog]

Quote: Reserve officer

You are just my comment, apparently not carefully read

Yes, I really didn’t read it carefully ..
but 70% is just a zizdets .. honestly, for the first time I hear .. can you go to another bank?
Of course they are all insolent .. but that would be 70% is a robbery ..
I’m here recently, when the ruble fell off, I ran the car on credit to take .. and watched them rob people, I tried too .. They offered life insurance and comprehensive insurance .. and together with these options it turned out 21% per annum .. I sent this bank .. I don’t remember the name anymore .. I went to VTB there without options under 16 I took .. but the point is not even that, but that a bunch of people are being bred like that, and they are blatantly saying that they say that without these options in the state program you will not be able to participate .. and 90% according to my observations are conducted on this .. One pensioner was indignant .. then he agreed .. I could not stand it approached him and explained that he was being bred .. the salon manager ran out and transferred him to another bank specialist, also in VTB ..

[Reserve officer]

I'd love to go over. But credit cards are not refinanced by other banks. Only loans. So there is only one way out - to pay off the entire debt. That I can't do it yet. This is what the gentlemen from Vostochny are using.

[Malyuta]

Quote: Reserve officer

I'd love to go over. But credit cards are not refinanced by other banks. Only loans. So there is only one way out - to pay off the entire debt. That I can't do it yet. This is what the gentlemen from Vostochny are using.

There is also a "wonderful" bank "Russian standard" or "gggy standard", everything is much cooler there.
But these reptiles have the Federal Law on the bankruptcy of individuals and many more interesting things for bloodsucker hucksters. Our relative got a lot with banks, not from greed, but from the law. illiteracy, and they are happy to milk, even called at night ...
If you need help, tap in PM.

[ghby]

Quote: Reserve officer

I would go with pleasure. But credit cards are not refinanced by other banks.

You searched poorly. There are, well, about two months ago there were definitely products when credit cards were refinanced. But not directly, but by issuing a loan with a lower interest rate and your written obligation to repay the loan on the card within a certain period of time. If you do not extinguish, then after the appointed time an increased percentage will be applied to you.

[Ros 56]

There is no need to mess with these bank hyenas, especially "Vostochny", ask where its owner is.

[Uma palata]

So you do not need to gain loans above their capabilities. We must live within our means.

[Reserve officer]

Gold words. But not about our country. My loans go to salaries of my employees and to rent. I am the director of my own enterprise. It wasn’t very good with orders before, but now it’s generally sour. Only people need to make ends meet in an elementary way. It is not possible to take out a loan for an enterprise; one has to take it as an individual.
And so, yes. I will definitely try to live within my means. Thank you for bothering.

[Malyuta]

Quote: Reserve officer

It is not possible to take out a loan for an enterprise; one has to take it as an individual.
And so, yes. I will definitely try to live within my means. Thank you for bothering.

For yourself, remember that in any case, there is a "body" of the loan, but there is interest on it, and many banks are very smart by throwing interest on interest, etc.
You can safely cope with interest in court, even without bankruptcy, and they are very much afraid of the prosecutor's office, the Investigative Committee and the "department for combating economic crime" in another office Good luck and try not to fall for their wiring!

[Reserve officer]

Thanks for the kind words. And about the department for combating villains in another office - the idea is very good.

[Malyuta]

Quote: Reserve officer

And about the department for combating villains in another office - the idea is very good.

Everything is checked! It’s possible even in the Central Bank to strike a twinkle, but better immediately with a doublet everywhere !!!)))
They immediately become soft and malleable, they know the creatures that they will tear off other suckers ...

Quote: Reserve officer

Thanks for the kind words.

And what kind of people will we be if we stop helping each other with advice and deed ?!

[Uma palata]

Please, because good timely advice is like a ray of light under the bed for a guy sitting there. And I am the director of my own organization (ANO), but it never entered my head to support at my expense (!) Full-time positions of employees with salaries higher than income. If your business didn't go well at first, why aggravate the situation with loans? I do not understand . This is no longer an enterprise, but an almshouse. And what does "not about our country" have to do with it? In this particular case, you yourself are unlucky and short-sighted, and our country is not to blame for this, but alas! you yourself and nobody but you.

[Titus]

For that, in Moscow they opened a spa and hairdressing salons, someone apparently in proportion with the city hall, and our wise men closed household goods and tobacco.

[smile]

Svarog
Yeah, as they care in different countries - no way ... - this is the main saying .......... your Japanese - who need a respite - legally employed .... tryndosy - after a day, oh, sorry a thousand dollars printed - yeah - an average American on average, has in his credit history, on his deposit card - 13 o ...
dollars ...... debt ... annually

[Stas157]

. Sweden without quarantine

Russia too.

. Moreover, the number of deaths from a new coronavirus in Sweden significantly higher than in Russia - 477 against 51. The mortality rate is 6,62 against 0,81 in Russia. At the same time, the Swedish mortality rates are much lower than those of the "quarantine" Italy, Spain, and Britain.

What a strange virus - crossed the border and bam other death rates. Such a huge gap in the incurable virus can only be explained by the difference in statistics. Someone has a record, but someone does not.

[Pivot]

I lived in Sweden in the third largest city of Linkoping, the population was 120000 - 150000, Stockholm is the only one-millionth population, the population lives mostly in private houses, the density is low, the Swedes have excellent health, since almost no one smokes and drink very little, medicine is free and very high level. Well, coronovirus is really like a serious flu, there is nothing terrible in it.

[den3080]

Quote: Pivot

I lived in Sweden in the third largest city of Linkoping, the population was 120000 - 150000, Stockholm is the only one-millionth population, the population lives mostly in private houses, the density is low, the Swedes have excellent health, since almost no one smokes and drink very little, medicine is free and very high level. Well, coronovirus is really like a serious flu, there is nothing terrible in it.

I join your opinion. Completely.
Sweden is a prosperous country, everything is in order with medicine. Swedes do not live crowded.
They have reason not to panic.
The Finns are a little hysterical, although their situation is even better than in Sweden. In any case, with medicine, infrastructure and population density, and there are much fewer migrants than in Sweden.

[sheet]

Quote: Pivot

I lived in Sweden in the third largest city of Linkoping, the population was 120000 - 150000, Stockholm is the only one-millionth population, the population lives mostly in private houses, the density is low, the Swedes have excellent health, since almost no one smokes and drink very little, medicine is free and very high level. Well, coronovirus is really like a serious flu, there is nothing terrible in it.

I could not stand it, registered and, first of all, hello everyone.
Further. There is no free medicine in Sweden. Absolutely. Medical insurance or 200 CZK for a one-time visit to a doctor, if he writes a referral to another doctor, then a visit to it will be free. About a little smoke and almost no drink, a myth. They drink, and yet, of course, not all. If they don’t smoke, they snoop. And the fact that the statistics are so funny is because almost no one is tested in Sweden! Great medicine is not even a myth, but a myth! Maybe in the capital and a couple of cities - well, in small cities - a disaster. There are no specialists, mainly nurses, who, with a strong cough, will send you to the grocery store for cough lozenges. There is no doubt that the small number of infected and dead is only due to lack of testing! The only thing that was done was the introduction of paintings in nursing homes, gymnasium and university students study remotely and, if other countries had not closed their borders, the frightened Swedes, without a doubt, would go on vacation even wherever.

[Pivot]

Well, I won’t argue with you, Natalya, I went to a medical institution only once, broke two ribs, the doctor diagnosed a fracture without problems, they didn’t take money from me, there was insurance from the employer, and the vast majority of the employed population has insurance, usually this is part of the contract. Children and pensioners have social health insurance, only immigrants without a status do not have such privileges. Smoke at times less, the snuz still doesn’t hit on the lungs like a cigarette, on alcohol consumption, but they drink, but not in such quantities as ours, I have never seen people drinking 0,5 in the face at any holiday, but this is common with us.

[sheet]

I did not argue, I simply answered that there is no free medicine in Sweden, unlike Russia, there is no need to mislead people. You probably worked by invitation, so a medical insurance was included in the contract and paid by the employer. Pensioners pay insurance themselves, if not, each visit to the doctor also pays pension tax and TV tax (1300 kroons), like everyone else. For some living in nursing homes, from retirement, after paying for all services, money is left to buy one newspaper.
Smoke less because they snuff, starting at school, it’s not so striking. As for the "0,5 liter. in the face ”- mine cannot do so much but sometimes crawling away from the store

[bk316]

The only thing that is against such a decision is if they suddenly invent a vaccine, and someone gets sick and dies before they get it.

No Alexei. You, as a non-specialist, were mistaken, as non-specialists are always mistaken.
The fact that you wrote garbage. The ONLY AND MAIN THING is against such a decision that it has not been proved that they are not re-infected with the coronavirus. I hope you understand that if infected, this decision will lead to the disappearance of Sweden .....

[dauria]

I hope you understand that if infected, this decision will lead to the disappearance of Sweden .....

Hardly. Humanity is 500 thousand years old. Has not disappeared. And if they are reinfected, then for the rest what, eternal "quarantine and self-isolation"?
It’s ridiculous. By the way, VAZ began to rivet cars. 70% of hard workers started to work. How do you like that?

[bk316]

Mankind is 500 thousand years old.

Humanity will not disappear. But many nations and states have disappeared and can now.

eternal "quarantine and self-isolation"

Not eternal, but before a vaccine or an effective medicine. And so long as it is possible ....

[lis-ik]

Quote: nPuBaTuP

No matter how you later had to help them again ..... because of their stupidity ....

That's what is strange. The USSR declared a complete victory of illiteracy, back in the 30th year, which is typical, probably lied. Because, as in our country, which is the successor of the USSR, the draws are still illiterate people who are at odds with simple arithmetic, who cannot calculate the percentage of the whole and compare it with the average statistical mortality data. Enough has already been waged in a conspiracy and divorce. Then it will be too late to sprinkle ash on your head.

[Vadim237]

There are simply not many fools in Russia who believe in all kinds of world conspiracies and divorces.

[Gene84]

Quote: Vadim237

There are no many fools in Russia

are you one of them? or are you just a "foreign" representative of Russophobia?

[Vadim237]

Actually, I live in Russia - unlike your representatives of the madhouse and stupidity.

[Gene84]

Quote: lis-ik

The USSR declared a complete victory of illiteracy, back in the 30th year, which is typical, probably lied.

By the way, this is the full truth. you just repeat the lies of the anti-advisers.

[Altona]

Quote: nPuBaTuP

No matter how you later had to help them again ...

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If antibodies are produced, then all is well. And if not, then I'm sorry. The vaccine is promised only by next year. In general, everything rests on His Majesty Chance.

[Dreamboat]

The population of China is 1.5 billion, the population of Sweden is 10 million. Less than Moscow. A significant part of the population lives in sparsely populated areas. In the absence of a real testing system, 7000 infected per 455 deaths have little faith. Just write off several thousand people and all decided not to fight for them. Pacifists!

[Alexey Sommer]

Swedes are sane people. And actually this is logical for normal people!
What the rest of the world is doing with quarantine is sheer madness and hoax.
The classic case when they say that "the medicine is worse than the disease."
By the end of April, there will be more deaths from starvation than from coronovirus.
They say that they will be self-isolated soon offered to self-destruct.
A joke of course, but sad.

[Horst78]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

Swedes are sane people. And actually this is logical for normal people!

Want to say that the rest are dumb? Can we, as in Europe, eliminate the infectious trend in medicine? But at the same time neurological, tuberculosis, psychiatric, etc. departments and dispensaries? And in general, how to do it on the edge. If you want to be treated - pay.

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: Horst78

Want to say that the rest are dumb?

"Note, I didn't say that!" (FROM)

[lis-ik]

Quote: Horst78

Want to say that the rest are dumb?

And why should they participate in this global production? Everything is normal with the economy and the social sphere.

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: lis-ik

And why should they participate in this global production? Everything is normal with the economy and the social sphere.

Speak the truth!

[Malyuta]

Quote: lis-ik

And why should they participate in this global production? Everything is normal with the economy and the social sphere.

So I say why? My Koresh got together, an experienced farmer, this year to build a house for my son, saved up money, approved the project with columns, picked up a place on the bank of the Beautiful Sword, we already found a fildepere brick for half the price here !!! He calls me today and says: I will not build a house, I myself will buy "boomers" X-5 and X-6 !!! Zaaaach !!! - I yell at him. And he answers me: So that the money does not disappear! .....
So I sit and think when he will be "released" before buying a damned bourgeois car excess or after

[Pivot]

So in a couple of three years, boomers can be sold by weight, and this is a house for centuries.

[Malyuta]

Quote: Pivot

So in a couple of three years, boomers can be sold by weight, and this is a house for centuries.

So I’m talking to him about the same thing, but something went wrong in his head.

[GUSAR]

And we almost did it. Vaughn Skvortsova said - who wants to test, 1250 rubles. Possible at home

[Malyuta]

Quote: GUSAR

Vaughn Skvortsova said - who wants to test, 1250 rubles. Possible at home

And for starling-golikovy money does not smell!

[Malyuta]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

What the rest of the world is doing with quarantine is sheer madness and hoax.

This is something, Alexey. And you are not by chance a co-author of the "alarm clock" channel, there Willie also broadcasts about the performances, on the basis of a raw food diet, the cuckoo began to cook very badly BUT! In principle, if you hit the canopy-spiral, a world type of government, then you can draw a dozen scenarios right away.
For example, everyone knew that there would be a world economy. the crisis, everyone knows how to get out of it, you need a war, but you don’t want it, so they launch a fake about a terrible virus and wait for results on a relaxed day.
now we look at who is in the plus. The farm is all covered in chocolate. Governments and presidents imitate a stormy activity to provide assistance to everyone and everyone and are gaining points before the elections, besides, all the prosthetics have gone out, the inhabitants of all countries are sitting in burrows, buying stale garbage, praying fervently and waiting for either the end of the world or what will carry. So transnational. corporations are also in favor. Again, especially nervous, impressionable, old and weak people simply "quack" simply because they did not wash their hands at night or at lunchtime gauze slipped from their faces. Again, the bourgeoisie and the authorities in +, some loot cut down, others do not need to feed the poor. And so on and so forth

[Uma palata]

They will die, these experimenters.

[mister-red]

Let's clarify some words. They have 10 times more deaths than in Russia. Moreover, in Russia everyone is abused by the authorities, including on this resource. And the Swedes like calm. If this is of course real. Their self-censorship is brought to the limit there.
Sane in this case is more like a zombie. Or stupid. Or fascists, which, in principle, are all Scandinavians — let several thousand old people die, but the young will have immunity later on.

[knn54]

"Swedish Roulette", however.
An interesting fact is that in Sweden the death rate is 10 people per 1 million people. In Denmark, where quarantine was introduced. -11! True, the situation has recently changed not in favor of Sweden.
By the way, pensioners consider health: from sitting at home and in the absence of physical activity, immunity is reduced, and if you have to deal with the virus, the lungs should be in good shape, provided with daily exercise and fresh air.

[PavelT]

Where does this data come from?
In Sweden, now, on April 6, 7206 infected and 477 deaths. We divide one into another and get 6.6% current mortality.
In Denmark, as of April 6, 4681 infected and 187 deaths, this is about 4% mortality.
In Norway and Finland, mortality is even lower.

[meandr51]

All data is sucked out of the finger. The methods of counting are unscientific. If everyone had tested with the most reliable complex expensive tests, it would turn out that there are an order of magnitude or two more carriers. Accordingly, mortality is as many times lower. Only total mortality can be considered reliable. Which, too, in the media is falsified by everyone who is not lazy. I don’t remember such a bacchanalia of lies over the past 60 years.

[iouris]

Quote: Victor_B

Time will tell who was the smartest and who the most cunning.

Will show, but only to those who remain. While the fat dries ...

[Gene84]

Quote: iouris

Quote: Victor_B

Time will tell who was the smartest and who the most cunning.

Will show, but only to those who remain. While the fat dries ...

everything will be fine. do not believe it, but 99,99 ... 9% of the world's population dies from a completely different one.

[Roman123567]

In my opinion, the best post in this thread ..
Which finally puts all the points over and ..

[Malyuta]

Quote: Victor_B

In fact, Sweden and Belgium (or the Netherlands?) Are conducting a field experiment to combat coronavirus by isolating ONLY risk groups.

When you write Old, you at least check! For you: Belgium, Switzerland and the Netherlands came out on top in% of the total number of infected people.

[iouris]

Quote: Malyuta

came out on top in%

Apparently, this means that citizens are tested there during an epidemic. Of those infected, some do not get sick, others get mild. If hospitals cope with serious patients, not all serious patients die, then the process is going on normally - an epidemic, however. Which of those noted here is tested? I do not.

[Gene84]

Quote: Victor_B

conduct a full-scale experiment

to conduct an experiment on humans is criminal. conducting such an experiment, they are no different from the Nazis of the possessed Fuhrer

[iouris]

Quote: Gene84

to experiment on humans is criminal

You are overly emotional. Watch the Soviet film Dead Season. It's about time.

[lot]

True as in the Western Fast and the Dead

[Lord of the Sith]

Natural selection in action.

[Chervonny]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Natural selection in action.

In this case, the planned selection by the state of Sweden.

[Stalllker]

I support their decision

[Astra wild]

I don’t know, I don’t know: on the one hand, they are somewhat right, but wait until "the roast cock bites"? Not very smart in my opinion

[Gene84]

Quote: Stalllker

I support their decision

I think their decision is completely inhumane and inhumane.

[bk316]

I support their decision

Suitcase Station Stockholm

[Ethnarchist]

+ Smart, retirees are easier to bury than to feed, but very cynical ....

[Gene84]

Quote: Ethnarchist

but very cynical ....

it is very criminal.

[Chingachguk]

In Sweden, 50% of the population does not live in large families, for often it is - "you and me, yes we are ..." Therefore, the rate of spread of the virus is not great. Again, not the least positive factor is clean, environmentally friendly air. Maybe for these reasons, this region can afford the absence of quarantine.

[320423]

I completely agree, plus compare with humane people ala new oyrk, Moscow, etc. + migration, tourism. The new construction generally makes me stand, the worst thing is that the Moscow practice (of crowded skyscrapers) is spreading to the regions, plus the standards for lighting of rooms have been underestimated, and as a result ...
By the way, the population of Stockholm is 961 inhabitants (609) (2018% of the country's population). 9 1 252 people live in a suburban area (data for 020) - this is the most densely populated territory of Sweden. The population of the Stockholm agglomeration is 2005.

[Vadim237]

Clean air does not affect the spread of the virus at all.

[Chingachguk]

And I decided, by a sinful thing, that the lungs of a person are much healthier and with a minimum of topologies precisely because of clean air ..... It turns out everything is wrong .....

[gsev]

Quote: Vadim237

Clean air does not affect the spread of the virus at all.

Perhaps in some countries there are microbes or fungi that feed on coronaviruses. In these countries, the indicators will be different. For example, in Oman and Vietnam, the indicators are very different from other countries. Perhaps in Sweden, unlike the UK, coronavirus is not complicated by other diseases and poisoning by industrial pollution.

[Yeraz]

Quote: Chingachguk

Maybe for these reasons this region can afford the lack of quarantine.

Well, only Sweden from this region implements this method, and Norway and Finland are practically not mirror Sweden.

[Doccor18]

Without accurate information, it is difficult to comment on something, but more than a strange decision. There are sick and dead, but there are no reasons for the counteraction regime. Then there will be reasons, but it will be too late.

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: Doccor18

however, more than a strange decision.

Absolutely logical decision.
They just do not want to ruin their country because of someone's hoax.

[Servisinzhener]

I would not call this virus a hoax. But no matter how cynical it sounds. At the state level there is a question of price and reasonable sufficiency. So the Swedes, in my opinion, behave reasonably without stopping the country's economy because of a disease which affects 0,01 percent of the population, and 0,001 percent die in the worst case. In general, by the summer we will find out who acted how effectively.

[Gene84]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

hoaxes

no hoax. A new type of coronavirus is more dangerous than flu. The new coronavirus is currently with an average mortality rate of 4,5%. From 5 to 10% of the world's population, that is, 500 million people, get seasonal flu each year. Mortality is much lower - only 0,1%.

[2 Level Advisor]

Gennady just read and think that some kind of flu does not have an EXTRA mortality, which means that the panic escalates ... while the below ANNUAL numbers have been nearly overtaken, and the screams seem to have exceeded several times ..
According to WHO estimates, annual influenza epidemics lead to 3-5 million cases of serious illness and 290-650 thousand deaths.
(Do you feel the figure? Now 40k has died in 4 months)
According to US statistics, people 65 years of age and older die from the flu more often than people of other ages: in this age group, up to 89% of all deaths associated with influenza occur.
(And before, mostly old people were dying)
Head of the Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, National Institute of Health (NIH) Anthony Fauci:
The specialist explained that “seasonal flu, which we deal with every year, has a mortality rate of 0,1%, the known death rate in the case of (coronavirus COVID-19), when we look at all the data, including China, it is about 3% ... I think if you take into account all the cases where the infection has little or no symptoms, the death rate can probably be adjusted to about 1%. Which means that it is ten times more deadly than seasonal flu. " - the expert explained his statement.
(10 times! not 45).
So why such a panic?
Now let's think about why to stop the world’s economy, if theoretically (we’re still not close to the figure), 2,9 million - 6,5 million people per year may die worldwide, of which 290-650 thousand are not pensioners ..
The capitalists started taking care of retirees? And so much so that the world’s economy is being stopped at a loss? Yes? Do you believe that? Capitalists do something only when they make money ..

[Mimoprohodil]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

(Do you feel the figure? Now 40k has died in 4 months)

40k died in 10 days

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

I think if you take into account all cases when the infection has minor symptoms or has no symptoms

And in flu, all cases are directly taken into account.

[2 Level Advisor]

And the flu is far from everything, of course, I think much more .. in any scenario, even before the 670k dead “ordinary” and did not come close

[gsev]

Quote: Gene84

. The new coronavirus is currently with an average mortality rate of 4,5%

According to the Internet, the mortality rate of the coronavirus in the UK is about 95%., In the United States about 30%, in Vietnam 0%.

[bk316]

Absolutely logical decision.

Well, yes, if you do not mind a million fellow citizens, it’s quite a decision.
For one problem point, is a stable immunity really formed?

However, it’s not interesting for you - witnesses of the absence of coronavirus are a terrible force - stronger than the whole universe

[Roman123567]

Well, yes, if you do not mind a million

Write at once 5 million .. and more laughing emoticons ..

[Astra wild]

I think about it myself

[meandr51]

It will be too late for Russian small business, statistics of divorces and suicide rates. The Swedes had everything, is and will be fine. The statistics of infected people is unreliable everywhere.

[major147]

13. 02. 2020 in the United States there were 15 cases. Two months did not pass - (April 5, 02:29 Moscow time) in the United States a total of 309 cases of COVID-728 coronavirus were recorded. Statistics of the deceased - 19 people, recovered - 8441 14.

[wt100]

Every third of this or that

[PilotS37]

Quote: major147

13. 02. 2020 in the United States there were 15 cases. Two months did not pass - (April 5, 02:29 Moscow time) in the United States a total of 309 cases of COVID-728 coronavirus were recorded. Statistics of the deceased - 19 people, recovered - 8441 14.

But this is not so in Sweden! Moreover, they are against the rest Western europe look like champions.
They are different ...

[major147]

Quote: PilotS37

Moreover, they look like champions against the rest of Western Europe.

I'm afraid it's not over yet!

[PilotS37]

Quote: major147

Quote: PilotS37
Moreover, they look like champions against the rest of Western Europe.

I'm afraid it's not over yet!

You are mean! We must always wish people good and success!

[major147]

Quote: PilotS37

You are mean! We must always wish people good and success!

I wrote the word "afraid" there. It reflects my deep concern about the situation in Sweden.

[PilotS37]

Quote: major147

It reflects my deep concern over the situation in Sweden.

Let them take care of themselves! And we wish them success (like everyone else, however, and ourselves, first of all).

[major147]

Quote: PilotS37

Let them take care of themselves! And we wish them success (like everyone else, however, and ourselves, first of all).

Totally agree!

[meandr51]

American statistics and media are no better than Russian. These numbers do not mean anything.

[Operator]

the main epidemiologist of Sweden notes that at the moment it is important for older people who are not feeling well to stay at home "" - like mrit at home, do not load hospitals, we will take you into account under the article "death from old age"

[meandr51]

It always has been. And not a single country has died out of this. What is wrong with dying from old age?

[major147]

Quote: Operator

we will take you into account under the article "death from old age"

In Italy, this is what they do with the dead in "almshouses".

[ddmitrij]

The future will show whether the Swedes were right or not. But it seems to me that they are wrong. For comparison, more data from Israel.
In Sweden, there are currently 7206 infected and 477 have died.
In Israel, there are currently 8611 infected and 55 have died.

It seems to me that the Swedes stupidly save on treatment costs, well, they don’t stop their economies. Everything works there, including bars, restaurants and other establishments.

I remember in the past year before last, Swedish pensioners complained that they lacked pensions. Apparently the government did not like it. I really didn’t like it.
Sorry, the people there are very good. Been to Sweden many times.

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: ddmitrij

In Sweden, there are currently 7206 infected and 477 have died.
In Israel, there are currently 8611 infected and 55 have died.

It would be better if you thought properly before trumping these statistics here.
Judging by the number of sick quarantines in Israel from the absence of such in Sweden, the effectiveness differs even for the worse, both in absolute numbers and in relative ones. And the number of deaths is in no way connected with the number of infected people and there are plenty of such examples. Take relative numbers for the example of Switzerland and Germany. Switzerland is a serious country, but the number of deaths there per sick person is more than 2 times higher than in Germany, and quarantine both there and there.

[ddmitrij]

You better think. Israel has a very compact stay. The population density is 387 people per square km. And in Sweden, the density is only 22 people per sq. Km. That is, even without quarantines, the speed of distribution in Sweden should be much lower.
In addition, I do not trump statistics. It is available to anyone with minimal knowledge on how to find it on the Internet. Here I gave the figures only so that they were nearby for clarity.
And about Switzerland and Germany, the Germans immediately tried to identify the infected and their contacts. And in Switzerland, ski resorts worked.
So look for something to find fault with, dear!

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: ddmitrij

You better think. Israel has a very compact stay. The population density is 387 people per square km. And in Sweden, the density is only 22 people per sq. Km. That is, even without quarantines, the speed of distribution in Sweden should be much lower.

How resourceful you are!)
And why, then, in quarantine Norway with a population of half the number of Sweden infected, almost as many as the Swedes?
And why in Israel, the number of people recovered is 6 times less than in Sweden?
At the expense of the resorts laughed)))

[ddmitrij]

Are you sure that the border between Sweden and Norway was immediately completely closed? It has not existed there by default for a long time.

[Alexey Sommer]

You do not take aside)
Can you explain the difference in the results between quarantine Norway by Israel and without quarantine Sweden?

[ddmitrij]

You do not take aside! I compared the numbers in two specific countries. You have already dragged Norway, Switzerland and Germany here.
One more time I will answer you.
Norway has a common border with Sweden. Great common border. permeable boundary. There are many roads on which, only occasionally by a flashing flag you can find out that he has moved to another country. There is no quarantine in Sweden. Did you catch it?

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: ddmitrij

There is no quarantine in Sweden. Did you catch it?

No
It’s not possible to catch your logic. As in a joke: I play here, I do not play here.
And you first began to lay out statistics on your trouble.
I leave you for this. You are boring to me.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

Can you explain the difference in the results between quarantine Norway by Israel and without quarantine Sweden?

Everything is simple. Compare the number of tests per capita in Sweden and Norway. I suspect that the Swedes are still cheating with statistics ... It is with the goal of not scaring their population. Britain also tried to play such a roulette ... But there testing is going on seriously, and statistics ... The result is obvious ... IMHO - London will be the second Bergamo!

[Avior]

All the neighbors.
But there is a difference.
In mortality

norway
Confirmed: 5
Deaths: 74
Recovered: 32
Active: 5

Sweden
Confirmed: 7
Deaths: 477
Recovered: 205
Active: 6

Finland
Confirmed: 2
Deaths: 27
Recovered: 300
Active: 1

Denmark
Confirmed: 4
Deaths: 187
Recovered: 1
Active: 3

different categories get sick?

[Servisinzhener]

In comparing the average population density of these two countries, it should be borne in mind that, unlike Israel, Sweden has quite vast regions with a population of 1 to 10 people per square kilometer. But on the coast and near the capital, the number exceeds 100.

[Avior]

In Sweden, quarantine by itself
There the population density is 22 people per square kilometer
In Israel, 387 people per square kilometer

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: Avior

There the population density is 22 people per square kilometer
In Israel, 387 people per square kilometer

You force me to answer the same question 10 times.
All of you are the last and last time.
Your like-minded person has already talked about density.
answer see above about Norway.

[Avior]

don't answer your business
but you compared with Israel, then you jumped to Norway.
In Russia, the average density is even lower, if Che.
only the population is distributed very unevenly.
compared quarantine measures, then suddenly jumped over the recovered
There is no one factor explaining everything, it has long been clear to everyone.

[PilotS37]

Quote: Avior

In Sweden, quarantine by itself
There the population density is 22 people per square kilometer
In Israel, 387 people per square kilometer

Israel is a small country with a fairly even distribution of the population, and Sweden is full of uninhabited places and many cities with a high population density.
The Israelis are sociable, and the Swedes are the other way around. There is even a joke about them:

What will the two Swedes do when they find themselves on a desert island? - They will sit and be silent: after all, no one introduced them to each other!
What will two Norwegians do when they find themselves on a desert island? “They will argue hoarsely whose Viking clan is ancient and glorious!”
What will the two Danes do when they find themselves on a desert island? - Quickly run away for a drink and begin to celebrate the cool adventure in which they fell.

Sometimes it's better to be unsociable ...

[Lopatov]

Quote: PilotS37

with a fairly uniform distribution of the population,

Uh ...

It doesn't smell like "uniform distribution". It is basically impossible there.

[PilotS37]

Quote: Spade

It doesn't smell like "uniform distribution". It is basically impossible there.

And here is Sweden ...

[ddmitrij]

You yourself then take a look at the card that you fastened. In Sweden, about a hundred in Stockholm with Uppsala, in Malmo and in Gothenburg. And that’s it. In Israel, the concentration of the population is many times higher.

[PilotS37]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

It would be better if you thought properly before trumping these statistics here.

Totally agree with you!
And the one who zamusnovat you - does not know how to work with numbers. (And that is at best.)

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: PilotS37

And the one who zamusnovat you - does not know how to work with numbers.

Thank! You expressed this idea better than me!

[bk316]

can't work with numbers

Oh, do you know how, may I ask you about your education? I rarely read among your like-minded people such statements, usually "YATOCHNOZANYUETFEIK" or "FSEETOVRANIE".

[PilotS37]

Quote: bk316

Oh, do you know how, may I ask you about your education? I rarely read among your like-minded people such statements, usually "YATOCHNOZANYUETFEIK" or "FSEETOVRANIE".

Oops! You know me?! Then why are you asking?

[meandr51]

What is the difference - 55 or 477? These are scanty amounts for entire countries. In addition, the calculation methods are different.

[bk316]

Apparently the government did not like it.

But do not complain It may be offended ....

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Stalllker

I support their decision

Anarchists approved

[Vadim237]

That would be to send them all there to share the "experience" among themselves.

[Vladimir_6]

In Sweden, Greta Tintin is in control.

[PilotS37]

Quote: Vladimir_6

In Sweden, Greta Tintin is in control.

And in Denmark - Greta Tuborg!

[Paul Siebert]

If Sweden gets out of a story called "Coronavirus" with the same mortality rates as Russia, it will be a resounding slap in the face for all this hyped hysteria about the "plague of the XNUMXst century."
Let's wait a bit ...

[borberd]

Judging by the population density, the Swede meets with another Swede, by chance. Comparing with Italy or Spain is completely incorrect. But even with a relatively small number of infected, the number of deaths is quite large. Apparently, the Swedish authorities do not value their population, but value only money. A similar situation, incidentally, was with England at the beginning of the epidemic. Then, too, did not close all the entertainment events. They said that they would let me get sick so that the population received immunity. Then he really had to close everything, and Johnson is now in the hospital with coronavirus.

[brat07]

Quote: Paul Siebert

If Sweden gets out of a story called "Coronavirus" with the same mortality rates as Russia, it will be a resounding slap in the face for all this hyped hysteria about the "plague of the XNUMXst century."
Let's wait a bit ...

And if you don’t get out? What then?
For some reason, I remembered the "Spanish flu" of the early 20th century. And how many people died?

[Paul Siebert]

Quote: brat07

And if you don’t get out? What then?

Then funeral marches will often sound over eternally neutral Sweden ...
And you will get the right to exclaim: "I told you so!"
Solovyov on Russian TV will receive such fees that he will build himself a second estate in Italy. Fortunately, the price of land there has fallen record-high.

[brat07]

Quote: Paul Siebert

Quote: brat07

And if you don’t get out? What then?

Then funeral marches will often sound over eternally neutral Sweden ...
And you will get the right to exclaim: "I told you so!"
Solovyov on Russian TV will receive such fees that he will build himself a second estate in Italy. Fortunately, the price of land there has fallen record-high.

The answer, of course, is spectacular. Bravo! Seriously.
But you did not answer the question about the "Spanish flu".

[samarin1969]

The EAC has its own "Swede" - Lukashenko. Either - a supporter of "natural selection", or - a pity for money.

[Anatole Klim]

Quote: samarin1969

his "Swede" - Lukashenko.

Rygorich has his own methods, with his bare hands, not a single coronavirus will take.

[Svarog]

Quote: samarin1969

The EAC has its own "Swede" - Lukashenko. Either - a supporter of "natural selection", or - a pity for money.

So we also have a "banquet" at our expense .. Self-isolate at your own expense, and if not, pay a fine .. Already the joke goes around, as Putin invited everyone to the bar, they say I treat you .. at the expense of the institution ..

[Doccor18]

Maybe they’ll mess me up now, but I think that the main thing is a person, his health, his life. Economics, money, factories, goods - all this can be replenished. Human life and lost health are irreplaceable.

[ddmitrij]

Why minus? I fully support you!

[Gene84]

Quote: Doccor18

Human life and lost health are irreplaceable.

they said everything correctly. only some individuals do not understand this.

[Yaro Polk]

"Swedish families" ... "buffets" ... well, you understand, forget about such a nation ... like Swedes.)

[Gennady Fomkin]

Faced with the COVID-19 outbreak, Stockholm opened a field hospital in a conference complex south of the city and called on everyone with medical training to help care for the sick. At a press conference this week, Prime Minister Stefan Loewen wondered if the rise in the number of cases in Swedish nursing homes is evidence of the failure of the strategy. “I don't think this is a sign of failure. This is how things look in Europe too, "he said." We have always said that things will only get worse before it gets better. " Sweden
Confirmed: 6
Deaths: 358
Recovered: 205
Active: 5 568 Therefore, there are more dead than recovered.?






"

[Cetron]

They die immediately (3-7 days); they recover long (14-21 days).

[Avior]

therefore, the more healed, the more reliable the statistics

[Demon_is_ada]

Normal statistics will not be soon, the testing methodologies themselves have not been worked out, the tests are insensitive. The disease itself throws up surprises ranging from an asymptomatic course to completely different sets of symptoms. The last wild surprise, after recovery, the body periodically throws out portions of the virus for a month total treatment and observation of at least 60 days. Generally rare muck ...

[KJIETyc]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

Swedes are sane people. And actually this is logical for normal people!
What the rest of the world is doing with quarantine is sheer madness and hoax.
The classic case when they say that "the medicine is worse than the disease."
By the end of April, there will be more deaths from starvation than from coronovirus.
They say that they will be self-isolated soon offered to self-destruct.
A joke of course, but sad.

There are more of them now, read the statistics. This "crown" is childish talk compared to oncology or the same ordinary primitive hunger, in 2020!

[primala]

Sweden is a country of quiet alcoholics. (no kidding). Really Swedes are fans of "wrap up" ...
Our emigrants are just "daisies" compared to the Swedes. They have a "relaxation" every Thursday.
They buy alcohol in a "carriage" ... and "drove it" !!! Eat to nimagu !!!
And so they relax ... they are afraid of the local police!
Europe really never had an ethnic group. Like America. All rabble eager for a freebie. hmm ...

[ddmitrij]

Do not confuse)))
On Thursday they drink in Germany. In Sweden they drink on Friday. There are lines in liquor stores on Friday. And they type in boxes, literally.

[Gennady Fomkin]

The totalitarian regime closely monitors what, how much and how an ordinary citizen drinks. From a young age, the state takes care of every Swede, raises from him an "able-bodied population", like a broiler chicken in an incubator. Swedes are used to complaining about the terrible prices at Systembolaget, although the wine and beer are quite cheap. Yes, not 3-5 euros per bottle, as in Italy and France. But there is nothing fundamentally predatory for such an expensive country. In response to the calls "If you are trying to limit alcohol consumption in such a way, why don't you close down at all ?!" Systembolaget says that no one legally prohibited alcohol in the country, and if the network stops working, poor Swedes will get drunk altogether.

[Gennady Fomkin]

It's funny, but the famous Swedish Absolut vodka in Sweden is more expensive than in Russia. Half a liter for 1050 rubles (we have 800), a liter - almost 2 thousand in general. We have the most popular Absolut bottle - 0,7, it costs from 1000 rubles.

[Gennady Fomkin]

The number of deer, although very large in the North of the Scandinavian region, in the same latitudes of Russia and the American continent, is still incomparable with the number of livestock around the world.

[Oleg Alekseevich]

Quote: Paul Siebert

If Sweden gets out of a story called "Coronavirus" with the same mortality rates as Russia, it will be a resounding slap in the face for all this hyped hysteria about the "plague of the XNUMXst century."
Let's wait a bit ...

Ha ha ha!

There are 140 million living people in Russia, and in Sweden there were 10,2 million.
So count per capita ...
And yet it all depends on the method of calculation, i.e., on statistics. A person infected with a coronovirus, but who has died from pulmonary edema, can easily be attributed to the habit of ordinary ARI. And those same dead at an old age - to natural death by age.
Tricks and sleight of hand ...

[gcn]

I didn’t understand if the entire population of Sweden was ill, more than a hundred thousand people died in a short period. Well then, why should everything panic normally, what to inflate because, as they say here in the comments from tuberculosis, more than coronavirus dies in the world for a year. also refers to medicine and also there is no vaccine.

[gcn]

Medical term removed .....

[Oleg Alekseevich]

Quote: samarin1969

The EAC has its own "Swede" - Lukashenko. Either - a supporter of "natural selection", or - a pity for money.

What is EAC - I do not know. In reality, there is the EAEU, which includes Belarus.

And in Belarus
ALL the measures for the sanitation and treatment of patients are carried out as in the whole world, even the borders were closed without announcing it. But there is no quarantine regime yet, this is true. But he is not far off either.

[Avior]

I got a message that in Belarus the son of a woman who died from a coronovirus in a hospital filed an application against Lukashenko for inaction as an official.
It's true?

[Gennady Fomkin]

But there are also dissatisfied https://www.theguardian.com/international

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: gcn

I didn’t understand if the entire population of Sweden was ill, more than a hundred thousand people died in a short period. Well then, why should everything panic normally, what to inflate because, as they say here in the comments from tuberculosis, more than coronavirus dies in the world for a year. also refers to medicine and also there is no vaccine.

God forbid that among this percentage you would not have loved ones.

[gcn]

Re-read the article, then my comment, then the comments of those who wrote that everyone was inflated and the virus is just dangerous to get sick. And then your comment will lose its damning connotation. And you don’t understand the meaning and God put in my loved ones. There (my comment) was removed medical the term for some reason is seen obscene but characterizing the authorities of Sweden.

[Avior]

real mortality is too high for such a simple solution to just get sick
today, 270 thousand have recovered, 70 thousand have died, that is, 4 have recovered - 1 dead.
these are real average statistics worldwide
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
if you just leave and do nothing, the minimum will be for 2 billion ill - 400 million dead.
If not even 400, but 200 million, then a huge number.

[lvov_aleksey]

in the plague no one believed in NE, they just burned everyone during the Inquisition !!!

[PavelT]

I understand that a passive Swedish strategy is simply a joy for many of those who believe in the absence of coronavirus or in its safety.
I lived in Sweden for about 3 years, ran into their medicine, I know their political and ideological leaps and therefore skeptical, details in this article: https://eadaily.com/en/news/2020/04/06/o-prichinah- uspeha-shvedskoy-strategii-borby-s-koronavirusom - wait and see what their strategy will lead to compared to Chinese or South Korean.

[Retvizan 8]

Here, some admire "how smart the Swedes are", this is of course their opinion and they certainly have the right to do so, meanwhile in America there are already 10000 deaths from the crown!
Everyone will make conclusions himself.

[meandr51]

In the US, the media scatter from 4 to 16 thousand dead. You can choose the number that you like more!

[Vadim237]

There will be enough crematoria for everyone - Ukraine has proved it on its heroes in the USA, it will be enough for nothing.

[BREAKTHROUGH READY]

By the time in America there are already 10000 dead from the crown!

and this is with 4500 thousand infected, i.e. mortality in the region of a modest 2% while:

"We know that over 95% of deaths occurred in people over 60. Over 50% of these deaths occurred in people aged 80 years or older.", - write RIA Novosti with reference to the director of the European division of the World Health Organization Hans Kluge

If you try to draw any conclusions, it is easy to come to questions about the sanity of the measures taken and the escalating panic, who needs it and why.

[Pavel57]

Maybe Sweden agreed to such an experiment.

[Disorder]

In Sweden, the population density is ~ 22 people / sq. Km with ~ 10 million inhabitants, and in Italy ~ 201 people / sq. Km with ~ 60 million inhabitants.
In Moscow (excluding the region) there is more population than in all of Sweden.
So, Sweden can (up to a point) neglect quarantine.

[NordUral]

Weighted approach to the problem. Let's see how everything will be next. We have a clear search, and with incomprehensible (or very understandable) grounds for the measures introduced.

[iouris]

Quote: NordUral

We have an obvious bust

It will be clear later. But I see that the system is undergoing a sudden stress test. If the system was not prepared for this in advance, then it will collapse. That which does not kill us makes us stronger. The story is short before the end. Be patient?

[NordUral]

It depends on which ending, iouris, for the sake of such as May 45th, you can endure a lot and do.

[Prisoner]

With such paralytic power, the Swedes will soon become the new small ethnic group of the North, EKLMN!

[iouris]

Quote: Captive

Swedes will soon become a new small nation

People are not needed. Greta Tumberg about it. Look into her eyes.

[Nedokomsomolets]

Here's to you in the furnace: was it not by chance that they carried out a pension reform six months before the virus?

[Roman_vh]

Your logic is naughty. If the virus is for senior citizens, then why reform. And vice versa. Or did you mean the problems of Western pension systems? Then where does our reform? Ah, I get it. This is a sketch of a fan.

[iouris]

Quote: Nedokomsomolets

and is it not by chance that they carried out pension reform

I guess the question is off topic. There is a suspicion that the "pension reform" was carried out by those who are "deep supra-state". This structure must be demolished, otherwise they will demolish everything. Everything is so confusing. Let's watch. What else remains?

[Prisoner]

Nedo ... slam your firebox.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Yes, I read some comments Dr. Mengele happily rubs his hands, for the first time mankind faced a serious problem as with "European tolerance" kicked out its true face of a Nazi boor and knacker, the guardians immediately offered to test everyone on the negroes who were "full-fledged" who should live who is not full-fledged must die. How did your language turn.

[nikvic46]

I think there is nothing to oppose self-isolation now. All countries have been revealed too much. I don’t know how all this will end in Sweden. Perhaps they (Swedes) are more serious about the price of their lives. Can they have less disorder? Or maybe not. I don’t know.

[Karaul73]

Quote: Stock Officer

Vladimir, of course, scammers. Bank management. For three years they took 30%, last year - 40, now the first month - 70. I do not know the worst bank in the country. And a week before payment, a whole hysteria is made by phone calls and SMS, 2-3 times a day. I called their common number - they say, what's up? They say that everything is legal - they can remind you of an upcoming payment up to 6 times a day.
For example, in Sberbank or VTB there is no such bestiality at all. It turns out - the smaller the bank, the more stink and greed.
You are just my comment, apparently not carefully read. This is not a bank transfer when they charge a fee, but a credit card. According to which, as one lady from the Central Bank said, they should now take it very moderately, at the level of average interest, somewhere around 20%.

Throw this pot and pop up.

[stasimar]

Lochovirus drove everyone into cells except Swedes and Belarusians

[yfast]

That's how Johnson gets these dads, they will immediately begin to sing differently.

[Roman123567]

the state epidemiological service assesses the situation according to the seasonal flu incidence curve. In other words, they are not yet intent on sharing the disease in the Swedish service.

And this is the FLU .. just a variation ..

if everything were "very bad and uncontrollable", then in Sweden, where there is no quarantine, by this time, much more than 477 people would have died.

Absolutely right!!

In Russia, 50 people die daily in road accidents ..
Nobody says to lock themselves at home ..
50 people died from the virus in TWO months .. That is - 60 times less ..
Here is the probability ..
At the same time, in an accident a person can die every day with the same constant probability throughout life.
And this virus, many of us already once had been ill without even learning about it .. which immediately eliminates all further fears for the future ..
In a word - they made an elephant out of a fly ..

[Mimoprohodil]

Quote: Roman123567

50 people died from the virus in TWO months .. That is - 60 times less ..

In a week, that is 6 times less

[lot]

We will replace the corona virus with syphilis and what will be done will be clear.

[sanik2020]

No matter how many soldiers are in the trenches and how many people are in the rear, it is important who won.
Time will tell.

[bratchanin3]

How can you compare Sweden and Russia, what is the population in Russia (145 million) and what is in Sweden?

[Igor Dvornikov]

Great experiment. They can then be tested and the medicine.