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Sweden without quarantine: the country's chief epidemiologist spoke about the situation

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Sweden without quarantine: the country's chief epidemiologist spoke about the situation

Sweden continues to be one of the few countries in the world where the authorities decided at the moment not to introduce harsh isolation measures and quarantine in connection with the situation of coronavirus. Cafes and restaurants continue to operate in Sweden, parks and squares are open, and free movement through the streets is allowed.


In this regard, the Swedish statistics on COVID-19 is noteworthy. In addition, in a number of European countries they express frank bewilderment of Stockholm's "solidarity". So, a journalist from Norway, neighboring Sweden, Oisten Bogen, notes that the editorial board did not recommend him a visit to Sweden.

The situation with the new coronavirus and the measures taken was commented on by the country's main state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell. According to Tegnell, to date, 7206 cases of COVID-19 infection have been confirmed in Sweden. According to this indicator, the kingdom is in 19th place in the world.

For comparison: Russia - on the 20th (6351 cases identified). At the same time, the number of deaths from a new coronavirus in Sweden is significantly higher than in Russia - 477 against 51. The mortality rate is 6,62 against 0,81 Russian. At the same time, Swedish mortality rates are much lower than those of the "quarantine" Italy, Spain, and Britain.

According to Tegnell, the state epidemiological service assesses the situation using the seasonal flu incidence curve. In other words, they are not yet intent on sharing the disease in the Swedish service.

Anders Tagnell:

We can say that our biggest problem now is that we got an infection in a large number of elderly people, mainly in Stockholm. This is the reason that the mortality rate is relatively high.

At the same time, the chief epidemiologist of Sweden notes that at the moment, for older people who feel unwell, it is important to stay at home and observe personal hygiene rules.

In the Swedish edition of Svenska Dagbladet, Tegnell's statement cites some problems with testing the disease. According to him, with the tests that are available today, it is almost pointless to test people without symptoms.

Recall that earlier French scientists who studied biomaterials of the first patients with coronavirus in France (and these were five Chinese citizens), also noted that the test on only one sample of the biomaterial in most cases will not show anything. It was noted that a comprehensive test was needed: a blood test, samples of the mucous membrane from the nasopharynx, as well as feces and urine tests.

A Swedish newspaper noted that Sweden’s state epidemiologist was unable to unequivocally comment on the WHO statement that coronavirus can be transmitted by airborne droplets.

Moreover, in Sweden itself, opinions regarding the situation and the actions of the authorities were divided. Some urge to immediately take advantage of the experience of China and prohibit any movement. Others argue with them, stating that if everything was "very bad and uncontrollable," then in Sweden, where there is no quarantine, by this time much more than 477 people would have died.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B April 6 2020 17: 59 New
    19
    Time will tell who was the smartest and who the most cunning.
    In fact, Sweden and Belgium (or the Netherlands?) Are conducting a field experiment to combat coronavirus by isolating ONLY risk groups.
    Sweden method vs China method!
    So let's look at the result.
    1. nPuBaTuP
      nPuBaTuP April 6 2020 18: 08 New
      -7
      No matter how you later had to help them again ..... because of their stupidity ....
      1. dauria
        dauria April 6 2020 18: 28 New
        +9
        No matter how you later had to help them again ..... because of their stupidity ....


        Population density, traffic, tourists, average number of contacts between people per day ... everything is important. Surely there are computer models. Data on movement at different times of the day, time of year can be taken from mobile operators. I do not believe that the special services will not take their data, if necessary. A prediction of the situation can be made. Maybe really smoothly get sick - and that’s it.
        The only thing that is against such a decision is if they suddenly invent a vaccine, and someone gets sick and dies before they get it.
        1. Ilya-spb
          Ilya-spb April 6 2020 18: 45 New
          -7
          How did Lavrov talk about such people? D ... ly
          1. Svarog
            Svarog April 6 2020 20: 09 New
            18
            Quote: Ilya-spb
            How did Lavrov talk about such people? D ... ly

            This example is clearly not appropriate here .. It’s better to see how they take care of their citizens in different countries .. I’ve heard 24 now, the Japanese have a tax deferral for a year, and a subsidy for salary that can be returned for three years .. Here an approach that demonstrates the state’s concern for citizens .. and we have not even removed interest on loans .. a disgrace ..
            1. Reserve officer
              Reserve officer April 6 2020 20: 43 New
              0
              Not that interest on loans has not been removed. And brazenly raised. Today I transferred another payment in the amount of 5500 rubles to the card of Vostochny Bank. They took 3883 rubles to themselves. Those. a little over 70%.
              1. Svarog
                Svarog April 6 2020 20: 52 New
                +9
                Quote: Stock Officer
                Not that interest on loans has not been removed. And brazenly raised. Today I transferred another payment in the amount of 5500 rubles to the card of Vostochny Bank. They took 3883 rubles to themselves. Those. a little over 70%.

                Well, I have not yet encountered such impudence .. 1% is taken, but I don’t even know .. maybe the scammers just stole money from you?
                1. Reserve officer
                  Reserve officer April 6 2020 20: 59 New
                  +5
                  Vladimir, of course, scammers. Bank management. For three years they took 30%, last year - 40, now the first month - 70. I do not know the worst bank in the country. And a week before payment, a whole hysteria is made by phone calls and SMS, 2-3 times a day. I called their common number - they say, what's up? They say that everything is legal - they can remind you of an upcoming payment up to 6 times a day.
                  For example, in Sberbank or VTB there is no such bestiality at all. It turns out - the smaller the bank, the more stink and greed.
                  You are just my comment, apparently not carefully read. This is not a bank transfer when they charge a fee, but a credit card. According to which, as one lady from the Central Bank said, they should now take it very moderately, at the level of average interest, somewhere around 20%.
                  1. Svarog
                    Svarog April 6 2020 21: 15 New
                    14
                    Quote: Stock Officer
                    You are just my comment, apparently not carefully read

                    Yes, I really didn’t read it carefully .. hi
                    but 70% is just a zizdets .. honestly, for the first time I hear .. can you go to another bank?
                    Of course they are all insolent .. but that would be 70% is a robbery ..
                    I’m here recently, when the ruble fell off, I ran the car on credit to take .. and watched them rob people, I tried too .. They offered life insurance and comprehensive insurance .. and together with these options it turned out 21% per annum .. I sent this bank .. I don’t remember the name anymore .. I went to VTB there without options under 16 I took .. but the point is not even that, but that a bunch of people are being bred like that, and they are blatantly saying that they say that without these options in the state program you will not be able to participate .. and 90% according to my observations are conducted on this .. One pensioner was indignant .. then he agreed .. I could not stand it approached him and explained that he was being bred .. the salon manager ran out and transferred him to another bank specialist, also in VTB ..
                    1. Reserve officer
                      Reserve officer April 6 2020 21: 28 New
                      +4
                      I would go with pleasure. But credit cards are not refinanced by other banks. Only loans. So there is only one way out - to give all the debt. What I can’t do yet. This is what the gentlemen from Vostochny use.
                      1. Malyuta
                        Malyuta April 6 2020 21: 41 New
                        17
                        Quote: Stock Officer
                        I would go with pleasure. But credit cards are not refinanced by other banks. Only loans. So there is only one way out - to give all the debt. What I can’t do yet. This is what the gentlemen from Vostochny use.

                        There is also a “fine” bank, “Russian standard” or “Ggg standard”, everything is much cooler there.
                        But these reptiles have the Federal Law on the bankruptcy of individuals and many more interesting things for bloodsucker hucksters. Our relative got a lot with banks, not from greed, but from the law. illiteracy, and they are happy to milk, even called at night ...
                        If you need help, tap in PM. hi
                      2. ghby
                        ghby April 7 2020 08: 43 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Stock Officer
                        I would go with pleasure. But credit cards are not refinanced by other banks.

                        You searched poorly. There are, well, about two months ago there were definitely products when credit cards were refinanced. But not directly, but by issuing a loan with a lower interest rate and your written obligation to repay the loan on the card within a certain period of time. If you do not extinguish, then after the appointed time an increased percentage will be applied to you.
              2. Ros 56
                Ros 56 April 7 2020 07: 28 New
                +2
                No need to get involved with these banking hyenas, especially Vostochny, ask where his owner is.
            2. Uma palata
              Uma palata April 6 2020 21: 38 New
              +8
              So you do not need to gain loans above their capabilities. We must live within our means.
              1. Reserve officer
                Reserve officer April 6 2020 21: 50 New
                +9
                Gold words. But not about our country. My loans go to salaries of my employees and to rent. I am the director of my own enterprise. It wasn’t very good with orders before, but now it’s generally sour. Only people need to make ends meet in an elementary way. It is not possible to take out a loan for an enterprise; one has to take it as an individual.
                And so, yes. I will definitely try to live within my means. Thank you for bothering.
                1. Malyuta
                  Malyuta April 6 2020 22: 06 New
                  14
                  Quote: Stock Officer
                  It is not possible to take out a loan for an enterprise; one has to take it as an individual.
                  And so, yes. I will definitely try to live within my means. Thank you for bothering.

                  For yourself, remember that in any case, there is a "body" of the loan, and there are interest on it, and many banks are very wise by throwing interest on interest, etc.
                  Interest can be easily managed in court without even going bankrupt, and they are very much afraid of the prosecutor’s office, the Investigative Committee and the “department for combating economy crime” in another office wink good Good luck and try not to fall for their wiring! hi
                  1. Reserve officer
                    Reserve officer April 6 2020 22: 10 New
                    +2
                    Thanks for the kind words. And about the department for combating villains in another office - the idea is very good.
                    1. Malyuta
                      Malyuta April 6 2020 22: 17 New
                      13
                      Quote: Stock Officer
                      And about the department for combating villains in another office - the idea is very good.

                      Everything is checked! good drinks It’s possible even in the Central Bank to strike a twinkle, but better immediately with a doublet everywhere !!!)))
                      They immediately become soft and malleable, they know the creatures that they will tear off other suckers ... am
                      Quote: Stock Officer
                      Thanks for the kind words.
                      And what kind of people will we be if we stop helping each other with advice and deed ?!
                2. Uma palata
                  Uma palata April 10 2020 15: 09 New
                  -1
                  Yes, please, because a good timely advice is like a ray of light under a bed for a man sitting there. And I’m the director of my own organization (ANO), but it never occurred to me to keep at my expense (!) Staff positions of employees with a salary higher than income. If your business didn’t work initially, then why aggravate the situation with loans? I do not understand . This is no longer an enterprise, but an almshouse. And where does "not about our country"? In this particular case, you yourself are unlucky and short-sighted, and not our country is to blame for this, but alas! you yourself and no one but you.
            3. Titus
              Titus April 6 2020 23: 16 New
              0
              For that, in Moscow they opened a spa and hairdressing salons, someone apparently in proportion with the city hall, and our wise men closed household goods and tobacco.
            4. smile
              smile April 7 2020 01: 59 New
              +1
              Svarog
              Yeah, as they care in different countries - no way ... - this is the main saying .......... your Japanese - who need a respite - legally employed .... tryndosy - after a day, oh, sorry a thousand dollars printed - yeah - an average American on average, has in his credit history, on his deposit card - 13 o ...
              dollars ...... debt ... annually
          2. Stas157
            Stas157 April 7 2020 04: 11 New
            +8
            . Sweden without quarantine

            Russia too.

            . Moreover, the number of deaths from a new coronavirus in Sweden significantly higher than in Russia - 477 against 51. The mortality rate is 6,62 against the Russian 0,81. At the same time, Swedish mortality rates are much lower than those of the "quarantine" Italy, Spain, and Britain.

            What a strange virus - crossed the border and bam other death rates. Such a huge gap in the incurable virus can only be explained by the difference in statistics. Someone has a record, but someone does not.
        2. Pivot
          Pivot April 6 2020 21: 37 New
          +8
          I lived in Sweden in the third largest city of Linkoping, the population was 120000 - 150000, Stockholm is the only one-millionth population, the population lives mostly in private houses, the density is low, the Swedes have excellent health, since almost no one smokes and drink very little, medicine is free and very high level. Well, coronovirus is really like a serious flu, there is nothing terrible in it.
          1. den3080
            den3080 April 7 2020 05: 36 New
            0
            Quote: Pivot
            I lived in Sweden in the third largest city of Linkoping, the population was 120000 - 150000, Stockholm is the only one-millionth population, the population lives mostly in private houses, the density is low, the Swedes have excellent health, since almost no one smokes and drink very little, medicine is free and very high level. Well, coronovirus is really like a serious flu, there is nothing terrible in it.

            I join your opinion. Completely.
            Sweden is a prosperous country, everything is in order with medicine. Swedes do not live crowded.
            They have reason not to panic.
            The Finns are a little hysterical, although their situation is even better than in Sweden. In any case, with medicine, infrastructure and population density, and there are much fewer migrants than in Sweden.
          2. sheet
            sheet April 7 2020 11: 19 New
            +9
            Quote: Pivot
            I lived in Sweden in the third largest city of Linkoping, the population was 120000 - 150000, Stockholm is the only one-millionth population, the population lives mostly in private houses, the density is low, the Swedes have excellent health, since almost no one smokes and drink very little, medicine is free and very high level. Well, coronovirus is really like a serious flu, there is nothing terrible in it.

            I could not stand it, registered and, first of all, hello everyone.
            Further. There is no free medicine in Sweden. Absolutely. Medical insurance or 200 CZK for a one-time visit to a doctor, if he writes a referral to another doctor, then a visit to it will be free. About a little smoke and almost no drink, a myth. They drink, and yet, of course, not all. If they don’t smoke, they snoop. And the fact that the statistics are so funny is because almost no one is tested in Sweden! Great medicine is not even a myth, but a myth! Maybe in the capital and a couple of cities - well, in small cities - a disaster. There are no specialists, mainly nurses, who, with a strong cough, will send you to the grocery store for cough lozenges. There is no doubt that the small number of infected and dead is only due to lack of testing! The only thing that was done was the introduction of paintings in nursing homes, gymnasium and university students study remotely and, if other countries had not closed their borders, the frightened Swedes, without a doubt, would go on vacation even wherever.
            1. Pivot
              Pivot April 10 2020 08: 21 New
              -1
              Well, I won’t argue with you, Natalya, I went to a medical institution only once, broke two ribs, the doctor diagnosed a fracture without problems, they didn’t take money from me, there was insurance from the employer, and the vast majority of the employed population has insurance, usually this is part of the contract. Children and pensioners have social health insurance, only immigrants without a status do not have such privileges. Smoke at times less, the snuz still doesn’t hit on the lungs like a cigarette, on alcohol consumption, but they drink, but not in such quantities as ours, I have never seen people drinking 0,5 in the face at any holiday, but this is common with us.
              1. sheet
                sheet April 10 2020 20: 50 New
                0
                I did not argue, I simply answered that there is no free medicine in Sweden, unlike Russia, there is no need to mislead people. You probably worked by invitation, so a medical insurance was included in the contract and paid by the employer. Pensioners pay insurance themselves, if not, each visit to the doctor also pays pension tax and TV tax (1300 kroons), like everyone else. For some living in nursing homes, from retirement, after paying for all services, money is left to buy one newspaper.
                Smoke less because they snuff, starting at school, it’s not so striking. As for the "0,5 liter. in the face ”- mine cannot do so much belay but sometimes crawling away from the store lol
        3. bk316
          bk316 April 6 2020 22: 50 New
          +4
          The only thing that is against such a decision is if they suddenly invent a vaccine, and someone gets sick and dies before they get it.

          No Alexei. You, as a non-specialist, were mistaken, as non-specialists are always mistaken.
          The fact that you wrote garbage. The ONLY AND MAIN THING is against such a decision that it has not been proved that they are not re-infected with the coronavirus. I hope you understand that if infected, this decision will lead to the disappearance of Sweden .....
          1. dauria
            dauria April 6 2020 23: 10 New
            +2
            I hope you understand that if infected, this decision will lead to the disappearance of Sweden .....


            Hardly. Mankind is 500 thousand years old. Not gone. And if they become infected again, then for the rest, what, eternal "quarantine and self-isolation"?
            It’s ridiculous. By the way, VAZ began to rivet cars. 70% of hard workers started to work. How do you like that?
            1. bk316
              bk316 April 6 2020 23: 15 New
              +1
              Mankind is 500 thousand years old.

              Humanity will not disappear. But many nations and states have disappeared and can now.
              eternal "quarantine and self-isolation"

              Not eternal, but before a vaccine or an effective medicine. And so long as it is possible ....
      2. lis-ik
        lis-ik April 6 2020 18: 56 New
        -3
        Quote: nPuBaTuP
        No matter how you later had to help them again ..... because of their stupidity ....

        That's what is strange. The USSR declared a complete victory of illiteracy, back in the 30th year, which is typical, probably lied. Because, as in our country, which is the successor of the USSR, the draws are still illiterate people who are at odds with simple arithmetic, who cannot calculate the percentage of the whole and compare it with the average statistical mortality data. Enough has already been waged in a conspiracy and divorce. Then it will be too late to sprinkle ash on your head.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 6 2020 20: 20 New
          +2
          There are simply not many fools in Russia who believe in all kinds of world conspiracies and divorces.
          1. Gene84
            Gene84 April 6 2020 22: 01 New
            14
            Quote: Vadim237
            There are no many fools in Russia

            are you one of them or are you just a "foreign" representative of Russophobia?
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 April 7 2020 00: 57 New
              +2
              Actually, I live in Russia - unlike your representatives of the madhouse and stupidity.
        2. Gene84
          Gene84 April 6 2020 22: 00 New
          22
          Quote: lis-ik
          The USSR declared a complete victory of illiteracy, back in the 30th year, which is typical, probably lied.

          By the way, this is the full truth. you just repeat the lies of the anti-advisers.
      3. Altona
        Altona April 6 2020 20: 35 New
        +4
        Quote: nPuBaTuP
        No matter how you later had to help them again ...

        -----------------------
        If antibodies are produced, then all is well. And if not, then I'm sorry. The vaccine is promised only by next year. In general, everything rests on His Majesty Chance.
      4. Dreamboat
        Dreamboat April 6 2020 23: 01 New
        0
        The population of China is 1.5 billion, the population of Sweden is 10 million. Less than Moscow. A significant part of the population lives in sparsely populated areas. In the absence of a real testing system, 7000 infected per 455 deaths have little faith. Just write off several thousand people and all decided not to fight for them. Pacifists!
    2. Alexey Sommer
      Alexey Sommer April 6 2020 18: 32 New
      11
      Swedes are sane people. And actually this is logical for normal people!
      What the rest of the world is doing with quarantine is sheer madness and hoax.
      The classic case when they say that "the medicine is worse than the disease."
      By the end of April, there will be more deaths from starvation than from coronovirus.
      They say that they will be self-isolated soon offered to self-destruct.
      A joke of course, but sad.
      1. Horst78
        Horst78 April 6 2020 19: 10 New
        +8
        Quote: Alexey Sommer
        Swedes are sane people. And actually this is logical for normal people!


        Want to say that the rest are dumb? Can we, as in Europe, eliminate the infectious trend in medicine? But at the same time neurological, tuberculosis, psychiatric, etc. departments and dispensaries? And in general, how to do it on the edge. If you want to be treated - pay.
        1. Alexey Sommer
          Alexey Sommer April 6 2020 19: 13 New
          -4
          Quote: Horst78
          Want to say that the rest are dumb?

          "Notice, it was not me who said!" (WITH) laughing
        2. lis-ik
          lis-ik April 6 2020 19: 20 New
          0
          Quote: Horst78
          Want to say that the rest are dumb?

          And why should they participate in this global production? Everything is normal with the economy and the social sphere.
          1. Alexey Sommer
            Alexey Sommer April 6 2020 20: 34 New
            -1
            good
            Quote: lis-ik
            And why should they participate in this global production? Everything is normal with the economy and the social sphere.

            Speak the truth! drinks hi
          2. Malyuta
            Malyuta April 6 2020 20: 47 New
            14
            Quote: lis-ik
            And why should they participate in this global production? Everything is normal with the economy and the social sphere.

            So I say, why? My Koresh-, a farmer with experience, gathered this year to his son to build a house, saved money, approved the project with columns, picked up a place on the bank of the Beautiful Sword, we already found him a filpers brick for half price and here !!! He calls me today and says: I won’t build a house, I’ll buy "Boomers" for myself X-5 and X-6 !!! Soooo !!! - I yell to him. And he answers me: So that the money does not disappear! .....
            Here I am sitting and thinking when he will "let go" before buying a damned bourgeois auto-excess or after what
            1. Pivot
              Pivot April 6 2020 21: 40 New
              +5
              So in a couple of three years, boomers can be sold by weight, and this is a house for centuries.
              1. Malyuta
                Malyuta April 6 2020 21: 51 New
                +9
                Quote: Pivot
                So in a couple of three years, boomers can be sold by weight, and this is a house for centuries.

                So I’m talking to him about the same thing, but something went wrong in his head.
        3. GUSAR
          GUSAR April 6 2020 21: 46 New
          +5
          And we almost did it. Vaughn Skvortsova said - who wants to test, 1250 rubles. Possible at home
          1. Malyuta
            Malyuta April 6 2020 21: 53 New
            +7
            Quote: GUSAR
            Vaughn Skvortsova said - who wants to test, 1250 rubles. Possible at home

            And for starling-golikovy money does not smell!
      2. Malyuta
        Malyuta April 6 2020 20: 33 New
        10
        Quote: Alexey Sommer
        What the rest of the world is doing with quarantine is sheer madness and hoax.

        This is something, Aleksey. And you are not the co-author of the “alarm clock” channel, Willy broadcasts about the productions there too, because of the raw food diet the cuckoo started to cook very badly laughing BUT! In principle, if you hit the canopy-spiral, a world type of government, then you can draw a dozen scenarios right away.
        For example, everyone knew that there would be a world economy. the crisis, everyone knows how to get out of it, you need a war, but you don’t want it, so they launch a fake about a terrible virus and wait for results on a relaxed day.
        Now we look who is plus. The whole farm is covered in chocolate. Governments and presidents imitate the violent activity of helping everyone and everyone and they gain points before the elections, besides, all the prostitutes have gone out, the inhabitants of all countries are sitting at their minks, they are buying bullshit, they are praying earnestly and waiting for the end of the world, or whatever they’ll carry. So transnaz. corporations are also in the pros. Again, the especially nervous, impressionable, old and weak just “quack” just because they didn’t wash their hands at night or in the afternoon with gauze. Again, the bourgeoisie and the authorities in +, some cut the loot, others do not need to feed the poor. Well and so on and so forth fellow wassat
      3. Uma palata
        Uma palata April 6 2020 21: 41 New
        -1
        They will die, these experimenters.
      4. mister-red
        mister-red April 8 2020 11: 30 New
        0
        Let's clarify some words. They have 10 times more deaths than in Russia. Moreover, in Russia everyone is abused by the authorities, including on this resource. And the Swedes like calm. If this is of course real. Their self-censorship is brought to the limit there.
        Sane in this case is more like a zombie. Or stupid. Or fascists, which, in principle, are all Scandinavians — let several thousand old people die, but the young will have immunity later on.
    3. knn54
      knn54 April 6 2020 18: 52 New
      +8
      Swedish Roulette, however.
      An interesting fact is that in Sweden the death rate is 10 people per 1 million people. In Denmark, where quarantine was introduced. -11! True, the situation has recently changed not in favor of Sweden.
      By the way, pensioners consider health: from sitting at home and in the absence of physical activity, immunity is reduced, and if you have to deal with the virus, the lungs should be in good shape, provided with daily exercise and fresh air.
      1. PavelT
        PavelT April 6 2020 20: 23 New
        +3
        Where does this data come from?
        In Sweden, now, on April 6, 7206 infected and 477 deaths. We divide one into another and get 6.6% current mortality.
        In Denmark, as of April 6, 4681 infected and 187 deaths, this is about 4% mortality.
        In Norway and Finland, mortality is even lower.
        1. meandr51
          meandr51 April 6 2020 21: 50 New
          +4
          All data is sucked out of the finger. The methods of counting are unscientific. If everyone had tested with the most reliable complex expensive tests, it would turn out that there are an order of magnitude or two more carriers. Accordingly, mortality is as many times lower. Only total mortality can be considered reliable. Which, too, in the media is falsified by everyone who is not lazy. I don’t remember such a bacchanalia of lies over the past 60 years.
    4. iouris
      iouris April 6 2020 19: 03 New
      0
      Quote: Victor_B
      Time will tell who was the smartest and who the most cunning.

      Will show, but only to those who remain. While the fat dries ...
      1. Gene84
        Gene84 April 6 2020 22: 01 New
        16
        Quote: iouris
        Quote: Victor_B
        Time will tell who was the smartest and who the most cunning.

        Will show, but only to those who remain. While the fat dries ...

        everything will be fine. do not believe it, but 99,99 ... 9% of the world's population dies from a completely different one.
        1. Roman123567
          Roman123567 April 7 2020 10: 26 New
          0
          In my opinion, the best post in this thread ..
          Which finally puts all the points over and ..
    5. Malyuta
      Malyuta April 6 2020 20: 07 New
      +8
      Quote: Victor_B
      In fact, Sweden and Belgium (or the Netherlands?) Are conducting a field experiment to combat coronavirus by isolating ONLY risk groups.

      When you write Old, you at least check! For you: Belgium, Switzerland and the Netherlands came out on top in% of the total number of infected people. hi
      1. iouris
        iouris April 6 2020 21: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: Malyuta
        came out on top in%

        Apparently, this means that citizens are tested there during an epidemic. Of those infected, some do not get sick, others get mild. If hospitals cope with serious patients, not all serious patients die, then the process is going on normally - an epidemic, however. Which of those noted here is tested? I do not.
    6. Gene84
      Gene84 April 6 2020 21: 58 New
      14
      Quote: Victor_B
      conduct a full-scale experiment

      to conduct an experiment on humans is criminal. conducting such an experiment, they are no different from the Nazis of the possessed Fuhrer
      1. iouris
        iouris April 7 2020 01: 00 New
        0
        Quote: Gene84
        to experiment on humans is criminal

        You are overly emotional. Watch the Soviet film Dead Season. It's about time.
    7. lot
      lot April 7 2020 10: 20 New
      0
      True as in the Western Fast and the Dead
  2. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith April 6 2020 18: 00 New
    +2
    Natural selection in action.
    1. Chervonny
      Chervonny April 6 2020 21: 59 New
      16
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      Natural selection in action.

      In this case, the planned selection by the state of Sweden.
  3. Stalllker
    Stalllker April 6 2020 18: 03 New
    +3
    I support their decision
    1. Astra wild
      Astra wild April 6 2020 18: 51 New
      +2
      I don’t know, I don’t know: on the one hand, they are somewhat right, but wait until the “fried rooster pecks”? In my opinion not very smart
    2. Gene84
      Gene84 April 6 2020 22: 02 New
      12
      Quote: Stalllker
      I support their decision

      I think their decision is completely inhumane and inhumane.
    3. bk316
      bk316 April 6 2020 22: 52 New
      +1
      I support their decision

      Suitcase Station Stockholm
  4. Ethnarchist
    Ethnarchist April 6 2020 18: 06 New
    +5
    + Smart, retirees are easier to bury than to feed, but very cynical ....
    1. Gene84
      Gene84 April 6 2020 22: 02 New
      15
      Quote: Ethnarchist
      but very cynical ....

      it is very criminal.
  5. Chingachguk
    Chingachguk April 6 2020 18: 06 New
    0
    In Sweden, 50% of the population do not live in large families, for often it is “you and I, you and I .....” Therefore, the spread of the virus is not high. Again, not the last positive factor is clean, environmentally friendly air. Maybe for these reasons this region can afford the lack of quarantine.
    1. 320423
      320423 April 6 2020 20: 19 New
      0
      I completely agree, plus compare with humane people ala new oyrk, Moscow, etc. + migration, tourism. The new construction generally makes me stand, the worst thing is that the Moscow practice (of crowded skyscrapers) is spreading to the regions, plus the standards for lighting of rooms have been underestimated, and as a result ...
      By the way, the population of Stockholm is 961 inhabitants (609) (2018% of the country's population). 9 1 252 people live in a suburban area (data for 020) - this is the most densely populated territory of Sweden. The population of the Stockholm agglomeration is 2005.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 6 2020 20: 22 New
      +5
      Clean air does not affect the spread of the virus at all.
      1. Chingachguk
        Chingachguk April 7 2020 06: 56 New
        +3
        And I decided, by a sinful thing, that the lungs of a person are much healthier and with a minimum of topologies precisely because of clean air ..... It turns out everything is wrong ..... what
      2. gsev
        gsev April 8 2020 17: 21 New
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        Clean air does not affect the spread of the virus at all.

        Perhaps in some countries there are microbes or fungi that feed on coronaviruses. In these countries, the indicators will be different. For example, in Oman and Vietnam, the indicators are very different from other countries. Perhaps in Sweden, unlike the UK, coronavirus is not complicated by other diseases and poisoning by industrial pollution.
    3. Yeraz
      Yeraz April 6 2020 23: 12 New
      0
      Quote: Chingachguk
      Maybe for these reasons this region can afford the lack of quarantine.

      Well, only Sweden from this region implements this method, and Norway and Finland are practically not mirror Sweden.
  6. Doccor18
    Doccor18 April 6 2020 18: 07 New
    +2
    Without accurate information, it is difficult to comment on something, but more than a strange decision. There are sick and dead, but there are no reasons for the counteraction regime. Then there will be reasons, but it will be too late.
    1. Alexey Sommer
      Alexey Sommer April 6 2020 18: 35 New
      +5
      Quote: Doccor18
      however, more than a strange decision.

      Absolutely logical decision.
      They just do not want to ruin their country because of someone's hoax.
      1. Servisinzhener
        Servisinzhener April 6 2020 20: 29 New
        +8
        I would not call this virus a hoax. But no matter how cynical it sounds. At the state level there is a question of price and reasonable sufficiency. So the Swedes, in my opinion, behave reasonably without stopping the country's economy because of a disease which affects 0,01 percent of the population, and 0,001 percent die in the worst case. In general, by the summer we will find out who acted how effectively.
      2. Gene84
        Gene84 April 6 2020 22: 04 New
        18
        Quote: Alexey Sommer
        hoaxes

        no hoax. A new type of coronavirus is more dangerous than flu. The new coronavirus is currently with an average mortality rate of 4,5%. From 5 to 10% of the world's population, that is, 500 million people, get seasonal flu each year. Mortality is much lower - only 0,1%.
        1. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor April 7 2020 07: 22 New
          +2
          Gennady just read and think that some kind of flu does not have an EXTRA mortality, which means that the panic escalates ... while the below ANNUAL numbers have been nearly overtaken, and the screams seem to have exceeded several times ..
          According to WHO estimates, annual influenza epidemics lead to 3-5 million cases of serious illness and 290-650 thousand deaths.
          (Do you feel the figure? Now 40k has died in 4 months)
          According to US statistics, people 65 years of age and older die from the flu more often than people of other ages: in this age group, up to 89% of all deaths associated with influenza occur.
          (And before, mostly old people were dying)
          Head of the Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, National Institute of Health (NIH) Anthony Fauci:
          The specialist explained that "the seasonal flu that we deal with every year has a mortality rate of 0,1%, the known mortality rate in the case of (coronavirus COVID – 19), when we look at all the data, including China, it is about 3% ... I think if you take into account all cases where the infection has minor symptoms or has no symptoms, the mortality rate can probably be adjusted to about 1%. This means that it is ten times more deadly than seasonal flu. " - the expert explained his statement.
          (10 times! not 45).
          So why such a panic?
          Now let's think about why to stop the world’s economy, if theoretically (we’re still not close to the figure), 2,9 million - 6,5 million people per year may die worldwide, of which 290-650 thousand are not pensioners ..
          The capitalists started taking care of retirees? And so much so that the world’s economy is being stopped at a loss? Yes? Do you believe that? Capitalists do something only when they make money ..
          1. Mimoprohodil
            Mimoprohodil April 7 2020 09: 51 New
            +2
            Quote: 2 level advisor
            (Do you feel the figure? Now 40k has died in 4 months)
            40k died in 10 days
            Quote: 2 level advisor
            I think if you take into account all cases when the infection has minor symptoms or has no symptoms
            And in flu, all cases are directly taken into account.
            1. 2 Level Advisor
              2 Level Advisor April 7 2020 10: 52 New
              0
              And the flu is far from everything, of course, I think much more .. in any scenario, even before the 670k dead “ordinary” and did not come close
        2. gsev
          gsev April 8 2020 17: 30 New
          +1
          Quote: Gene84
          . The new coronavirus is currently with an average mortality rate of 4,5%

          According to the Internet, the mortality rate of the coronavirus in the UK is about 95%., In the United States about 30%, in Vietnam 0%.
      3. bk316
        bk316 April 6 2020 22: 55 New
        +2
        Absolutely logical decision.

        Well, yes, if you do not mind a million fellow citizens, it’s quite a decision.
        For one problem point, is a stable immunity really formed?

        However, it’s not interesting for you - witnesses of the absence of coronavirus are a terrible force - stronger than the whole universe laughing
        1. Roman123567
          Roman123567 April 7 2020 10: 28 New
          -2
          Well, yes, if you do not mind a million

          Write at once 5 million .. and more laughing emoticons ..
    2. Astra wild
      Astra wild April 6 2020 18: 52 New
      0
      I think about it myself
    3. meandr51
      meandr51 April 6 2020 21: 53 New
      +2
      It will be too late for Russian small business, statistics of divorces and suicide rates. The Swedes had everything, is and will be fine. The statistics of infected people is unreliable everywhere.
  7. major147
    major147 April 6 2020 18: 14 New
    +2
    13. 02. 2020 in the United States there were 15 cases. Two months did not pass - (April 5, 02:29 Moscow time) in the United States a total of 309 cases of COVID-728 coronavirus were recorded. Statistics of the deceased - 19 people, recovered - 8441 14.
    1. wt100
      wt100 April 6 2020 18: 35 New
      -2
      Every third of this or that belay
    2. PilotS37
      PilotS37 April 6 2020 19: 51 New
      -2
      Quote: major147
      13. 02. 2020 in the United States there were 15 cases. Two months did not pass - (April 5, 02:29 Moscow time) in the United States a total of 309 cases of COVID-728 coronavirus were recorded. Statistics of the deceased - 19 people, recovered - 8441 14.

      But this is not so in Sweden! Moreover, they are against the rest Western europe look like champions.
      They are different ...
      1. major147
        major147 April 6 2020 23: 21 New
        -1
        Quote: PilotS37
        Moreover, they look like champions against the rest of Western Europe.

        I'm afraid it’s not yet evening!
        1. PilotS37
          PilotS37 April 6 2020 23: 46 New
          +1
          Quote: major147
          Quote: PilotS37
          Moreover, they look like champions against the rest of Western Europe.

          I'm afraid it’s not yet evening!

          You are mean! We must always wish people good and success!
          1. major147
            major147 April 6 2020 23: 55 New
            +1
            Quote: PilotS37
            You are mean! We must always wish people good and success!

            I wrote the word "afraid" there. It reflects my deep concern over the situation in Sweden.
            1. PilotS37
              PilotS37 April 6 2020 23: 58 New
              +2
              Quote: major147
              It reflects my deep concern over the situation in Sweden.

              Let them take care of themselves! And we wish them success (like everyone else, however, and ourselves, first of all).
              1. major147
                major147 April 7 2020 00: 03 New
                +2
                Quote: PilotS37
                Let them take care of themselves! And we wish them success (like everyone else, however, and ourselves, first of all).

                Totally agree! good hi
    3. meandr51
      meandr51 April 6 2020 21: 55 New
      -2
      American statistics and media are no better than Russian. These numbers do not mean anything.
  8. Operator
    Operator April 6 2020 18: 14 New
    +1
    Sweden’s senior epidemiologist notes that it’s important for older people who feel unwell to stay at home. "" - such as death at home, do not load the hospital, we will take into account the article "death from old age" laughing
    1. meandr51
      meandr51 April 6 2020 21: 56 New
      -1
      It always has been. And not a single country has died out of this. What is wrong with dying from old age?
    2. major147
      major147 April 7 2020 00: 04 New
      -2
      Quote: Operator
      we will consider you under the article "death from old age"

      In Italy, this is what they do to the deceased in the "house of worship."
  9. ddmitrij
    ddmitrij April 6 2020 18: 21 New
    +9
    The future will show whether the Swedes were right or not. But it seems to me that they are wrong. For comparison, more data from Israel.
    In Sweden, there are currently 7206 infected and 477 have died.
    In Israel, there are currently 8611 infected and 55 have died.

    It seems to me that the Swedes stupidly save on treatment costs, well, they don’t stop their economies. Everything works there, including bars, restaurants and other establishments.

    I remember in the past year before last, Swedish pensioners complained that they lacked pensions. Apparently the government did not like it. I really didn’t like it.
    Sorry, the people there are very good. Been to Sweden many times.
    1. Alexey Sommer
      Alexey Sommer April 6 2020 18: 48 New
      -4
      Quote: ddmitrij
      In Sweden, there are currently 7206 infected and 477 have died.
      In Israel, there are currently 8611 infected and 55 have died.

      It would be better if you thought properly before trumping these statistics here.
      Judging by the number of sick quarantines in Israel from the absence of such in Sweden, the effectiveness differs even for the worse, both in absolute numbers and in relative ones. And the number of deaths is in no way connected with the number of infected people and there are plenty of such examples. Take relative numbers for the example of Switzerland and Germany. Switzerland is a serious country, but the number of deaths there per sick person is more than 2 times higher than in Germany, and quarantine both there and there.
      1. ddmitrij
        ddmitrij April 6 2020 19: 03 New
        12
        You better think. Israel has a very compact stay. The population density is 387 people per square km. And in Sweden, the density is only 22 people per sq. Km. That is, even without quarantines, the speed of distribution in Sweden should be much lower.
        In addition, I do not trump statistics. It is available to anyone with minimal knowledge on how to find it on the Internet. Here I gave the figures only so that they were nearby for clarity.
        And about Switzerland and Germany, the Germans immediately tried to identify the infected and their contacts. And in Switzerland, ski resorts worked.
        So look for something to find fault with, dear!
        1. Alexey Sommer
          Alexey Sommer April 6 2020 19: 05 New
          -3
          Quote: ddmitrij
          You better think. Israel has a very compact stay. The population density is 387 people per square km. And in Sweden, the density is only 22 people per sq. Km. That is, even without quarantines, the speed of distribution in Sweden should be much lower.

          How resourceful you are!)
          And why, then, in quarantine Norway with a population of half the number of Sweden infected, almost as many as the Swedes?
          And why in Israel, the number of people recovered is 6 times less than in Sweden?
          At the expense of the resorts laughed)))
          1. ddmitrij
            ddmitrij April 6 2020 19: 08 New
            +3
            Are you sure that the border between Sweden and Norway was immediately completely closed? It has not existed there by default for a long time.
            1. Alexey Sommer
              Alexey Sommer April 6 2020 19: 11 New
              -4
              You do not take aside)
              Can you explain the difference in the results between quarantine Norway by Israel and without quarantine Sweden?
              1. ddmitrij
                ddmitrij April 6 2020 19: 17 New
                +4
                You do not take aside! I compared the numbers in two specific countries. You have already dragged Norway, Switzerland and Germany here.
                One more time I will answer you.
                Norway has a common border with Sweden. Great common border. permeable boundary. There are many roads on which, only occasionally by a flashing flag you can find out that he has moved to another country. There is no quarantine in Sweden. Did you catch it?
                1. Alexey Sommer
                  Alexey Sommer April 6 2020 19: 20 New
                  -2
                  Quote: ddmitrij
                  There is no quarantine in Sweden. Did you catch it?

                  No laughing
                  It’s not possible to catch your logic. As in a joke: I play here, I do not play here.
                  And you first began to lay out statistics on your trouble.
                  I leave you for this. You are boring to me. hi
              2. Mountain shooter
                Mountain shooter April 6 2020 20: 38 New
                +5
                Quote: Alexey Sommer
                Can you explain the difference in the results between quarantine Norway by Israel and without quarantine Sweden?

                Everything is simple. Compare the number of tests per capita in Sweden and Norway. I suspect that the Swedes are still cheating with statistics ... It is with the goal of not scaring their population. Britain also tried to play such a roulette ... But there testing is going on seriously, and statistics ... The result is obvious ... IMHO - London will be the second Bergamo!
          2. Avior
            Avior April 6 2020 20: 51 New
            0
            All the neighbors.
            But there is a difference.
            In mortality
            norway
            Confirmed: 5
            Deaths: 74
            Recovered: 32
            Active: 5

            Sweden
            Confirmed: 7
            Deaths: 477
            Recovered: 205
            Active: 6

            Finland
            Confirmed: 2
            Deaths: 27
            Recovered: 300
            Active: 1

            Denmark
            Confirmed: 4
            Deaths: 187
            Recovered: 1
            Active: 3

            different categories get sick?
        2. Servisinzhener
          Servisinzhener April 6 2020 20: 38 New
          +2
          In comparing the average population density of these two countries, it should be borne in mind that, unlike Israel, Sweden has quite vast regions with a population of 1 to 10 people per square kilometer. But on the coast and near the capital, the number exceeds 100.
      2. Avior
        Avior April 6 2020 19: 34 New
        +4
        In Sweden, quarantine by itself
        There the population density is 22 people per square kilometer
        In Israel, 387 people per square kilometer
        1. Alexey Sommer
          Alexey Sommer April 6 2020 19: 38 New
          -5
          Quote: Avior
          There the population density is 22 people per square kilometer
          In Israel, 387 people per square kilometer

          You force me to answer the same question 10 times.
          All of you are the last and last time.
          Your like-minded person has already talked about density.
          answer see above about Norway. hi
          1. Avior
            Avior April 6 2020 19: 44 New
            +6
            don't answer your business
            but you compared with Israel, then you jumped to Norway.
            In Russia, the average density is even lower, if Che.
            only the population is distributed very unevenly.
            compared quarantine measures, then suddenly jumped over the recovered
            There is no one factor explaining everything, it has long been clear to everyone.
        2. PilotS37
          PilotS37 April 6 2020 20: 03 New
          +2
          Quote: Avior
          In Sweden, quarantine by itself
          There the population density is 22 people per square kilometer
          In Israel, 387 people per square kilometer

          Israel is a small country with a fairly even distribution of the population, and Sweden is full of uninhabited places and many cities with a high population density.
          The Israelis are sociable, and the Swedes are the other way around. There is even a joke about them:
          What will the two Swedes do when they find themselves on a desert island? - They will sit and be silent: after all, no one introduced them to each other!
          What will two Norwegians do when they find themselves on a desert island? “They will argue hoarsely whose Viking clan is ancient and glorious!”
          What will the two Danes do when they find themselves on a desert island? - Quickly run away for a drink and begin to celebrate the cool adventure in which they fell.

          Sometimes it's better to be unsociable ...
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov April 6 2020 22: 07 New
            +3
            Quote: PilotS37
            with a fairly uniform distribution of the population,

            Uh ...


            “Uniform distribution” does not smell there. It is basically impossible there.
            laughing
            1. PilotS37
              PilotS37 April 6 2020 22: 49 New
              +1
              Quote: Spade
              “Uniform distribution” does not smell there. It is basically impossible there.

              And here is Sweden ...
              1. ddmitrij
                ddmitrij April 6 2020 23: 29 New
                +1
                You yourself then take a look at the card that you fastened. In Sweden, about a hundred in Stockholm with Uppsala, in Malmo and in Gothenburg. And that’s it. In Israel, the concentration of the population is many times higher.
      3. PilotS37
        PilotS37 April 6 2020 19: 54 New
        0
        Quote: Alexey Sommer
        It would be better if you thought properly before trumping these statistics here.

        Totally agree with you!
        And the one who zamusnovat you - does not know how to work with numbers. (And that is at best.)
        1. Alexey Sommer
          Alexey Sommer April 6 2020 19: 56 New
          -2
          Quote: PilotS37
          And the one who zamusnovat you - does not know how to work with numbers.

          Thank! You expressed this idea better than me! good
        2. bk316
          bk316 April 6 2020 23: 04 New
          +3
          can't work with numbers

          Oh, and you know how, let me ask you about your education? I seldom read among your like-minded people such statements, usually “YATOZANOZANUETETFEYK” or “PSEETOVRANIE”.
          1. PilotS37
            PilotS37 April 6 2020 23: 42 New
            0
            Quote: bk316
            Oh, and you know how, let me ask you about your education? I seldom read among your like-minded people such statements, usually “YATOZANOZANUETETFEYK” or “PSEETOVRANIE”.

            Oops! You know me?! Then why are you asking?
    2. meandr51
      meandr51 April 6 2020 21: 58 New
      -1
      What is the difference - 55 or 477? These are scanty amounts for entire countries. In addition, the calculation methods are different.
    3. bk316
      bk316 April 6 2020 22: 57 New
      +1
      Apparently the government did not like it.

      But do not complain belay It may be offended ....
  10. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin April 6 2020 18: 34 New
    -1
    Quote: Stalllker
    I support their decision

    Anarchists approved laughing
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 6 2020 20: 24 New
      +1
      If only they would be sent there to share their “experience" with each other.
  11. Vladimir_6
    Vladimir_6 April 6 2020 18: 37 New
    +1
    In Sweden, Greta Tintin is in control. laughing
    1. PilotS37
      PilotS37 April 6 2020 20: 06 New
      +2
      Quote: Vladimir_6
      In Sweden, Greta Tintin is in control.

      And in Denmark - Greta Tuborg! drinks drinks drinks
  12. Paul Siebert
    Paul Siebert April 6 2020 18: 38 New
    +8
    If Sweden gets out of a story called Coronavirus with the same mortality rates as Russia, it will be a clear slap in the face of all this puffy hysteria about the "plague of the XNUMXst century."
    wink Let's wait a bit ...
    1. borberd
      borberd April 6 2020 20: 00 New
      +2
      Judging by the population density, the Swede meets with another Swede, by chance. Comparing with Italy or Spain is completely incorrect. But even with a relatively small number of infected, the number of deaths is quite large. Apparently, the Swedish authorities do not value their population, but value only money. A similar situation, incidentally, was with England at the beginning of the epidemic. Then, too, did not close all the entertainment events. They said that they would let me get sick so that the population received immunity. Then he really had to close everything, and Johnson is now in the hospital with coronavirus.
    2. brat07
      brat07 April 7 2020 00: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: Paul Siebert
      If Sweden gets out of a story called Coronavirus with the same mortality rates as Russia, it will be a clear slap in the face of all this puffy hysteria about the "plague of the XNUMXst century."
      wink Let's wait a bit ...

      And if you don’t get out? What then? wink
      For some reason, I remembered the "Spaniard" of the early 20th century. And how many people died?
      1. Paul Siebert
        Paul Siebert April 7 2020 04: 08 New
        +2
        Quote: brat07
        And if you don’t get out? What then?

        Then funeral marches will often sound over eternally neutral Sweden ...
        And you will get the right to exclaim: "I told you!"
        Solovyov on Russian TV will receive such fees that he will build himself a second estate in Italy. Fortunately, the price of land there has fallen record-high.
        1. brat07
          brat07 April 7 2020 19: 32 New
          0
          Quote: Paul Siebert
          Quote: brat07
          And if you don’t get out? What then?

          Then funeral marches will often sound over eternally neutral Sweden ...
          And you will get the right to exclaim: "I told you!"
          Solovyov on Russian TV will receive such fees that he will build himself a second estate in Italy. Fortunately, the price of land there has fallen record-high.

          The answer, of course, is spectacular. Bravo! Seriously.
          But you didn’t answer the question about “Spaniard”. request
  13. samarin1969
    samarin1969 April 6 2020 18: 40 New
    +1
    The EAS has its own “Swede” - Lukashenko. Either - a supporter of "natural selection", or - I feel sorry for the money.
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim April 6 2020 19: 17 New
      +9
      Quote: samarin1969
      his “Swede” is Lukashenko.

      Rygorich has his own methods, with his bare hands, not a single coronavirus will take. yes
    2. Svarog
      Svarog April 6 2020 20: 12 New
      +5
      Quote: samarin1969
      The EAS has its own “Swede” - Lukashenko. Either - a supporter of "natural selection", or - I feel sorry for the money.

      So we also have a "banquet" at our expense .. Self-isolate at your own expense, and if not, then pay a fine .. Already an anecdote goes, as Putin invited everyone to a bar, they say I treat .. at the expense of the institution ..
  14. Doccor18
    Doccor18 April 6 2020 18: 41 New
    +8
    Maybe they’ll mess me up now, but I think that the main thing is a person, his health, his life. Economics, money, factories, goods - all this can be replenished. Human life and lost health are irreplaceable.
    1. ddmitrij
      ddmitrij April 6 2020 19: 09 New
      +2
      Why minus? I fully support you!
    2. Gene84
      Gene84 April 6 2020 22: 04 New
      16
      Quote: Doccor18
      Human life and lost health are irreplaceable.

      they said everything correctly. only some individuals do not understand this.
  15. Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk April 6 2020 18: 46 New
    +1
    "Swedish families" ... "buffet", .. well, you understand, forget about such a nation .. like the Swedes.)
  16. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin April 6 2020 18: 46 New
    +1
    Faced with the outbreak of COVID-19, Stockholm opened a field hospital in a conference complex south of the city and called on anyone with medical training to help take care of patients. At a press conference this week, Prime Minister Stefan Leuven wondered if the increase in the number of cases in nursing homes in Sweden is evidence of failure of the strategy. “I do not think this is a sign of failure. That’s how it looks in Europe, ”he said.“ We have always said that everything will only get worse before it gets better. ” Sweden
    Confirmed: 6
    Deaths: 358
    Recovered: 205
    Active: 5 568 Therefore, there are more dead than recovered.?






    "
    1. Cetron
      Cetron April 6 2020 20: 30 New
      +3
      They die immediately (3-7 days); they recover long (14-21 days).
      1. Avior
        Avior April 6 2020 21: 20 New
        +1
        therefore, the more healed, the more reliable the statistics
        1. Demon_is_ada
          Demon_is_ada April 7 2020 00: 53 New
          0
          Normal statistics will not be soon, the testing methodologies themselves have not been worked out, the tests are insensitive. The disease itself throws up surprises ranging from an asymptomatic course to completely different sets of symptoms. The last wild surprise, after recovery, the body periodically throws out portions of the virus for a month crying total treatment and observation of at least 60 days. Generally rare muck ...
  17. KJIETyc
    KJIETyc April 6 2020 18: 46 New
    -3
    Quote: Alexey Sommer
    Swedes are sane people. And actually this is logical for normal people!
    What the rest of the world is doing with quarantine is sheer madness and hoax.
    The classic case when they say that "the medicine is worse than the disease."
    By the end of April, there will be more deaths from starvation than from coronovirus.
    They say that they will be self-isolated soon offered to self-destruct.
    A joke of course, but sad.

    There are more of them now, read the statistics. This "crown" is babble compared to oncology or the same ordinary primitive hunger, in 2020!
  18. primaala
    primaala April 6 2020 18: 52 New
    +2
    Sweden is a country of quiet alcoholics. (no kidding). Really Swedes lovers "wrap up" ...
    Our emigrants are just “daisies,” compared to the Swedes. Every Thursday they have a "relaxation".
    They buy "wagon" alcohol ... and "drove" !!! Devour Nimagu !!!
    And so they relax ... they are afraid of the local police!
    Europe really never had an ethnic group. Like America. All rabble eager for a freebie. hmm ...
    1. ddmitrij
      ddmitrij April 6 2020 19: 12 New
      +1
      Do not confuse)))
      On Thursday they drink in Germany. In Sweden they drink on Friday. There are lines in liquor stores on Friday. And they type in boxes, literally.
    2. Gennady Fomkin
      Gennady Fomkin April 6 2020 19: 17 New
      +1
      The totalitarian regime closely monitors what, how much and how a simple citizen drinks. From a young age, the state takes care of every Swede, grows from him a “working-age population”, like a broiler chicken in an incubator. The Swedes are used to complain about the terrible prices at Systembolaget, although wine and beer are pretty cheap here. Yes, not 3-5 euros per bottle, as in Italy and France. But there is nothing fundamentally predatory for such an expensive country here. In response to the calls "Since you are trying so hard to limit alcohol consumption, why don't you close at all ?!" Systembolaget says that no one has banned the law in the country, and if the network stops working, the poor Swedes will suck at all.
    3. Gennady Fomkin
      Gennady Fomkin April 6 2020 19: 19 New
      +1
      It's funny, but the famous Swedish Absolut vodka in Sweden is more expensive than in Russia. Half a liter for 1050 rubles (we have 800), a liter - almost 2 thousand in general. We have the most popular Absolut bottle - 0,7, it costs from 1000 rubles.
  19. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin April 6 2020 19: 02 New
    0
    The number of deer, although very large in the North of the Scandinavian region, in the same latitudes of Russia and the American continent, is still incomparable with the number of livestock around the world. laughing
  20. Oleg Alekseevich
    Oleg Alekseevich April 6 2020 19: 04 New
    +2
    Quote: Paul Siebert
    If Sweden gets out of a story called Coronavirus with the same mortality rates as Russia, it will be a clear slap in the face of all this puffy hysteria about the "plague of the XNUMXst century."
    wink Let's wait a bit ...


    Ha ha ha!

    There are 140 million living people in Russia, and in Sweden there were 10,2 million.
    So count per capita ...
    And yet it all depends on the method of calculation, i.e., on statistics. A person infected with a coronovirus, but who has died from pulmonary edema, can easily be attributed to the habit of ordinary ARI. And those same dead at an old age - to natural death by age.
    Tricks and sleight of hand ...
  21. gcn
    gcn April 6 2020 19: 19 New
    -1
    I didn’t understand if the entire population of Sweden was ill, more than a hundred thousand people died in a short period. Well then, why should everything panic normally, what to inflate because, as they say here in the comments from tuberculosis, more than coronavirus dies in the world for a year. also refers to medicine and also there is no vaccine.
    1. gcn
      gcn April 6 2020 19: 24 New
      -1
      Medical term removed ..... winked
  22. Oleg Alekseevich
    Oleg Alekseevich April 6 2020 19: 21 New
    +2
    Quote: samarin1969
    The EAS has its own “Swede” - Lukashenko. Either - a supporter of "natural selection", or - I feel sorry for the money.


    What is EAC - I do not know. In reality, there is the EAEU, which includes Belarus.

    And in Belarus
    ALL sanitation and treatment of patients are carried out as in the whole world, even the borders were closed without announcing this. But there is no quarantine mode yet, that's right. But he is not far off.
    1. Avior
      Avior April 6 2020 20: 35 New
      0
      I got a message that in Belarus the son of a woman who died from a coronovirus in a hospital filed an application against Lukashenko for inaction as an official.
      It's true?
  23. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin April 6 2020 19: 43 New
    +1
    But there are also dissatisfied https://www.theguardian.com/international
  24. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin April 6 2020 19: 56 New
    +1
    Quote: gcn
    I didn’t understand if the entire population of Sweden was ill, more than a hundred thousand people died in a short period. Well then, why should everything panic normally, what to inflate because, as they say here in the comments from tuberculosis, more than coronavirus dies in the world for a year. also refers to medicine and also there is no vaccine.

    God forbid that among this percentage you would not have loved ones.
    1. gcn
      gcn April 6 2020 20: 17 New
      0
      Re-read the article, then my comment, then the comments of those who wrote that everyone was inflated and the virus is just dangerous to get sick. And then your comment will lose its damning connotation. And you don’t understand the meaning and God put in my loved ones. There (my comment) was removed medical the term for some reason is seen obscene but characterizing the authorities of Sweden.
      1. Avior
        Avior April 6 2020 20: 46 New
        -1
        real mortality is too high for such a simple solution to just get sick
        today, 270 thousand have recovered, 70 thousand have died, that is, 4 have recovered - 1 dead.
        these are real average statistics worldwide
        https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
        if you just leave and do nothing, the minimum will be for 2 billion ill - 400 million dead.
        If not even 400, but 200 million, then a huge number.
        hi
  25. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey April 6 2020 20: 15 New
    0
    in the plague no one believed in NE, they just burned everyone during the Inquisition !!!
  26. PavelT
    PavelT April 6 2020 20: 28 New
    +1
    I understand that a passive Swedish strategy is simply a joy for many of those who believe in the absence of coronavirus or in its safety.
    I lived in Sweden for about 3 years, ran into their medicine, I know their political and ideological leaps and therefore skeptical, details in this article: https://eadaily.com/en/news/2020/04/06/o-prichinah- uspeha-shvedskoy-strategii-borby-s-koronavirusom - wait and see what their strategy will lead to compared to Chinese or South Korean.
  27. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 April 6 2020 20: 36 New
    +1
    Here, some admire "what kind of Swedes are smart," this is of course their opinion and they certainly have a right to it, while in America there are already 10000 dead from the crown!
    Everyone will make conclusions himself.
    1. meandr51
      meandr51 April 6 2020 22: 03 New
      +1
      In the US, the media scatter from 4 to 16 thousand dead. You can choose the number that you like more!
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 7 2020 01: 00 New
        +1
        There will be enough crematoria for everyone - Ukraine has proved it on its heroes in the USA, it will be enough for nothing.
    2. BREAKTHROUGH READY
      BREAKTHROUGH READY April 6 2020 22: 51 New
      -2
      By the time in America there are already 10000 dead from the crown!
      and this is with 4500 thousand infected, i.e. mortality in the region of a modest 2% while:
      "We know that over 95% of deaths occurred in people over 60. Over 50% of these deaths occurred in people aged 80 years or older.", - write RIA Novosti with reference to the director of the European unit of the World Health Organization Hans Kluge
      If you try to draw any conclusions, it is easy to come to questions about the sanity of the measures taken and the escalating panic, who needs it and why.
  28. Pavel57
    Pavel57 April 6 2020 22: 38 New
    +1
    Maybe Sweden agreed to such an experiment.
  29. Disorder
    Disorder April 6 2020 22: 46 New
    0
    In Sweden, the population density is ~ 22 people / sq. Km with ~ 10 million inhabitants, and in Italy ~ 201 people / sq. Km with ~ 60 million inhabitants.
    In Moscow (excluding the region) there is more population than in all of Sweden.
    So, Sweden can (up to a point) neglect quarantine.
  30. NordUral
    NordUral April 6 2020 22: 49 New
    -4
    Weighted approach to the problem. Let's see how everything will be next. We have a clear search, and with incomprehensible (or very understandable) grounds for the measures introduced.
    1. iouris
      iouris April 7 2020 01: 04 New
      0
      Quote: NordUral
      We have an obvious bust

      It will be clear later. But I see that the system is undergoing a sudden stress test. If the system was not prepared for this in advance, then it will collapse. That which does not kill us makes us stronger. The story is short before the end. Be patient?
      1. NordUral
        NordUral April 7 2020 10: 01 New
        0
        It depends on which ending, iouris, for the sake of such as May 45th, you can endure a lot and do.
  31. Prisoner
    Prisoner April 6 2020 22: 55 New
    -2
    With such paralytic power, the Swedes will soon become the new small ethnic group of the North, EKLMN!
    1. iouris
      iouris April 7 2020 01: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: Captive
      Swedes will soon become a new small nation

      People are not needed. Greta Tumberg about it. Look into her eyes.
  32. Nedokomsomolets
    Nedokomsomolets April 6 2020 23: 35 New
    -4
    Here's to you in the furnace: was it not by chance that they carried out a pension reform six months before the virus?
    1. Roman_vh
      Roman_vh April 7 2020 00: 39 New
      +1
      Your logic is naughty. If the virus is for senior citizens, then why reform. And vice versa. Or did you mean the problems of Western pension systems? Then where does our reform? Ah, I get it. This is a sketch of a fan.
    2. iouris
      iouris April 7 2020 01: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: Nedokomsomolets
      and is it not by chance that they carried out pension reform

      I guess the question is off topic. There is a suspicion that the "pension reform" was carried out by those who are "deep supranational." This structure must be demolished, otherwise they will demolish everything. Everything is so confusing. We will observe. What else remains?
    3. Prisoner
      Prisoner April 7 2020 13: 50 New
      0
      Nedo ... slam your firebox.
  33. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin April 7 2020 03: 28 New
    0
    Yes, I read some comments, Dr. Mengele happily rubs his pens, for the first time humanity was faced with a serious problem, as the “European tolerance” had its true face of the Nazi boor and flayer erased, the guardians immediately offered to test it on blacks who shared who is “full-fledged” who should live who not full-fledged must die. How do you generally turned your tongue. belay
  34. nikvic46
    nikvic46 April 7 2020 07: 04 New
    -1
    I think there is nothing to oppose self-isolation now. All countries have been revealed too much. I don’t know how all this will end in Sweden. Perhaps they (Swedes) are more serious about the price of their lives. Can they have less disorder? Or maybe not. I don’t know.
  35. Karaul73
    Karaul73 April 7 2020 07: 52 New
    -1
    Quote: Stock Officer
    Vladimir, of course, scammers. Bank management. For three years they took 30%, last year - 40, now the first month - 70. I do not know the worst bank in the country. And a week before payment, a whole hysteria is made by phone calls and SMS, 2-3 times a day. I called their common number - they say, what's up? They say that everything is legal - they can remind you of an upcoming payment up to 6 times a day.
    For example, in Sberbank or VTB there is no such bestiality at all. It turns out - the smaller the bank, the more stink and greed.
    You are just my comment, apparently not carefully read. This is not a bank transfer when they charge a fee, but a credit card. According to which, as one lady from the Central Bank said, they should now take it very moderately, at the level of average interest, somewhere around 20%.

    Throw this pot and pop up.
  36. stasimar
    stasimar April 7 2020 09: 15 New
    +1
    Lochovirus drove everyone into cells except Swedes and Belarusians
    1. yfast
      yfast April 7 2020 13: 29 New
      0
      That's how Johnson gets these dads, they will immediately begin to sing differently.
  37. Roman123567
    Roman123567 April 7 2020 10: 14 New
    0
    the state epidemiological service assesses the situation according to the seasonal flu incidence curve. In other words, they are not yet intent on sharing the disease in the Swedish service.

    And this is the FLU .. just a variation ..

    if everything was "very bad and uncontrollable," then in Sweden, where there is no quarantine, far more than 477 people would have died by now.
    That's right !!

    In Russia, 50 people die daily in road accidents ..
    Nobody says to lock themselves at home ..
    50 people died from the virus in TWO months .. That is - 60 times less ..
    Here is the probability ..
    At the same time, in an accident a person can die every day with the same constant probability throughout life.
    And this virus, many of us already once had been ill without even learning about it .. which immediately eliminates all further fears for the future ..
    In a word - they made an elephant out of a fly ..
    1. Mimoprohodil
      Mimoprohodil April 7 2020 15: 14 New
      0
      Quote: Roman123567
      50 people died from the virus in TWO months .. That is - 60 times less ..
      In a week, that is 6 times less
  38. lot
    lot April 7 2020 10: 15 New
    0
    We will replace the corona virus with syphilis and what will be done will be clear.
  39. sanik2020
    sanik2020 April 7 2020 11: 58 New
    0
    No matter how many soldiers are in the trenches and how many people are in the rear, it is important who won.
    Time will tell.
  40. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 April 7 2020 14: 39 New
    0
    How can you compare Sweden and Russia, what is the population in Russia (145 million) and what is in Sweden?
  41. Igor Dvornikov
    Igor Dvornikov April 8 2020 09: 03 New
    0
    Great experiment. They can then be tested and the medicine.