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New Generation Fighters: East Asian Projects

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Already in the foreseeable future, the ranks of countries producing 5th and 6th generation fighter aircraft can be replenished by the states of East and Southeast Asia. This forecast is made by the Polish edition of Defense24.


The rapid development of technology and growing military-political ambitions will push the “Asian tigers” to create their own ultramodern fighters. Undoubtedly, Japan will be in the front row of the Asian states, which will establish their own production of fifth and sixth generation fighters. The pacifism of this country is becoming more and more a thing of the past, and the desire to recreate the once very strong armed forces of the empire is growing in Tokyo.

For 2020, Japan has budgeted $ 48,5 billion in defense spending, putting the country in seventh place in the world for military spending. After the fifth-generation fighter programs were launched in Russia and China, Japan was also puzzled by the need to modernize its air force. Moreover, they are based on the obsolete F-4 Phantom II and F-15 of various modifications.

First, the Japanese leadership wanted to purchase the F-22, but then, as a result of the American side setting a very high price, they had to abandon plans. Tokyo then stopped at the F-35. According to the data for 2019, 9 F-35A aircraft were delivered to Japan, but one of them was lost. At the end of 2018, Japan announced its desire to purchase 100 F-35s, but this does not cancel attempts to acquire its own fighter.

In 2020, the first data appeared on how the Japanese aircraft of the future could be. The Polish publication writes that it will be more reminiscent of the YF-23 Northrop Grumman than the F-22 Raptor. The large size of the aircraft will be combined with a longer flight range, powerful weapons and modern avionics, providing a wide range of detection and destruction of targets.


US $ 260 million has been allocated for research and development under the next-generation fighter project. The estimated cost of the entire program so far is estimated at $ 40 billion, but, of course, much more costs will be required.

A new aircraft should be ready by the beginning of the 2030s. The Japanese military leadership plans to replace the fighter planes currently in service with the country's air force. In the event of armed conflict, the Japanese will be able to use the fighter at a considerable distance from their borders.

Another Asian country with a developed economy and high technology, which has not hid for a long time the desire to acquire a fifth-generation fighter, is the Republic of Korea. Back in 2001, it became known that the South Korean leadership expects to start developing its own aircraft in the future. Then, twenty years ago, it was planned that the new aircraft would replace the obsolete F-4 Phantom II (currently still 71 in line) and the F-5E / F Tiger II (currently about 190 units) used in the South Korean military air force.

In 2008, work began on an aircraft creation program. It soon became clear that the cost of the program will become very expensive even for the not poor South Korea, whose military budget is catching up with the Japanese and amounts to $ 44 billion. Therefore, in order not to incur all the expenses on their own, Seoul turned to the tried and tested method - the search for a state that wants to become a partner and share the costs of creating a new aircraft.

Initially, Turkey was considered as such a partner, but the parties did not agree: in Ankara they wanted to participate in the 50:50 program, and South Korea insisted on its participation at 60:40. As a result, in 2010, negotiations with the Turkish leadership were discontinued. Then the Koreans have a new promising partner - Indonesia.


Representatives of Indonesia agreed to 20% in the program, after which the project was called KF-X / IF-X. The cost of the program is estimated at 5-10 billion dollars, which is many times less than the cost of a similar Japanese project. It is planned to create all prototypes of the KF-X fighter in 2021, to make the first flight in 2022, and to start mass production in 2026. The proposed order figures were announced - 120 aircraft for Korea and 80 aircraft for Indonesia.

Thus, we see that Japan is striving to create its own expensive fifth-generation fighter aircraft, setting the highest possible standards. For South Korea, in turn, the cost of the project is important. In an effort to save money, South Korea invited Indonesia to participate in the program.

It is interesting that among the Polish readers it was the Korean project that caused particular interest.

I am for close cooperation with Korea. It has a similar approach and are cost effective. We must base our security on our own strengths. The time of American hegemony is drawing to a close

- writes one of the commentators.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B April 6 2020 15: 40 New
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    Create and launch the fifth generation aircraft ...
    The task is not for the faint of heart!
    Only three countries were able to do this, the United States (which "set" these criteria), Russia and China.
    Whether it will be able to Japan, Turkey, Europeans and others - this secret is great.
    Modern design schools should "stand on the shoulders of giants", but in the absence of such "shoulders" ..., from scratch and immediately FIFTH generation ... - VERY hard.
    An example is China! Creating your own design school. Mass copying of everything that could reach and gradual, for decades, the achievement of past successes of Russia and the United States. There is no question of breaking ahead.
    What to get from the Japanese and whether to succeed, we'll see.
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ April 6 2020 16: 05 New
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      Quote: Victor_B
      Will it be able to Japan, Turkey, and others

      and they have a production of fighters? .... at least the 4th generation ...
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B April 6 2020 16: 15 New
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        Quote: NEOZ
        Do they have fighter production?

        At the moment, the development of Japanese fighter aircraft is directly dependent on imports. The only modern aircraft, the delivery of which is carried out at the present time, designed and built abroad. However, Japan does not stand aside and also tries to create its own fifth-generation fighter. The demonstrator of the Mitsubishi X-2 Shinshin technology has already been created and is being tested, and later on it will develop a full-fledged fighter. The latter is now called F-3.
        https://topwar.ru/157294-nastojaschee-i-buduschee-istrebitelnoj-aviacii-japonii.html
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ April 6 2020 16: 48 New
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          Quote: Victor_B
          The Mitsubishi X-2 Shinshin technology demonstrator has already been created and is being tested, and in the future a full fighter will be developed on its basis. The latter is now called F-3.

          Well ..... in Iran, too, many 5th generation projects .......
          I mean, neither Japan, nor Turkey, nor Sweden can do fighter aircraft on their own ... accordingly, these countries will not be able to build anything ... in the next decade ...
          1. Grigory_45
            Grigory_45 April 6 2020 16: 59 New
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            Quote: NEOZ
            nor Sweden can do fighter jets on their own

            it's you swedes now oh how offended! By the way, Sweden is one of the few countries that independently made and is making fighter jets. They are armed with only national cars, and very good ones. (Tunnan, Wiggen, Gripen, Draken)


            1. SovAr238A
              SovAr238A April 6 2020 17: 14 New
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              Quote: Gregory_45
              Quote: NEOZ
              nor Sweden can do fighter jets on their own

              it's you swedes now oh how offended!


              And he does not know and does not want to know in military subjects ...
              A man who does not know that the Swedes have an excellent fighter school.
              With a huge number of innovations that during the production years were really "unparalleled" ...

              NEOZ (Lavrentiy) - knows nothing
              1. NEOZ
                NEOZ April 7 2020 12: 38 New
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                Quote: SovAr238A
                NEOZ (Lavrentiy) - knows nothing

                on what basis is this conclusion made?
                In your opinion, what is the most important thing in an airplane?
                1. SovAr238A
                  SovAr238A April 7 2020 20: 01 New
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                  Quote: NEOZ
                  Quote: SovAr238A
                  NEOZ (Lavrentiy) - knows nothing

                  on what basis is this conclusion made?
                  In your opinion, what is the most important thing in an airplane?


                  The project and the designer of the finished product, which has been rolled out and received in combat units ..
                  Searchlights - for designers are not considered.
                  If you think, at least somehow different - you confirm that you are worthless ...
            2. Sky strike fighter
              Sky strike fighter April 6 2020 18: 19 New
              +3
              And whose engines are on Swedish fighters? American. Many British systems are on a Swedish aircraft. So he’s not really Swedish. There is not much Swedish there.
              1. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 April 6 2020 18: 35 New
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                Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                There is not much Swedish there.

                lots of. Almost all. But in order.
                Original aerodynamic schemes. For example, the aerodynamic design of the Draken aircraft influenced the choice of the design of such aircraft as the YF-12, Tu-144, Concorde and even the F-16, YF-17 and F-18.
                "Wiggen" - the world's first serial military jet aircraft with PGO
                As for the motors, they are produced in Sweden itself, under license. This one speaks of high industrial and technological potential. Armament and aircraft are also made in Sweden (partly licensed American and European).
                The Swedes managed to create extremely balanced, multi-functional and, at the same time, non-gold-priced aircraft, with excellent flight performance. All fighters are optimized for warfare in Sweden.

                You are now likened to Mr. under the nickname NEOZ. Don't know anything about Swedish aviation too?
                1. NEOZ
                  NEOZ April 7 2020 12: 26 New
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                  Quote: Gregory_45
                  As for the motors, they are produced in Sweden itself, under license.

                  What is the localization of licensed engine production?
                  I suspect even lower than the Chinese counterparts al31 and rd33 ....
                  accordingly, no engine can fly without an engine!
                  Moreover! Due to the lack of their own engine, the Swedes will build a new aircraft around the GE404 ... i.e. it will be the same flu ...
                  conclusion: no 5/6th generation Swedes are able to build any aircraft !!!!
                  1. Grigory_45
                    Grigory_45 April 7 2020 12: 38 New
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                    Quote: NEOZ
                    What is the localization of licensed engine production?

                    complete.

                    By the way, are you not confused by the fact that all the first Soviet fighters were equipped with imported engines? Even on the production MiG-15 and MiG-17 - non-censored copy of the British engine Rolls-Royce Ning. Does this mean that the MiG-15 is not Soviet?

                    It is one thing to buy motors over a hill, and quite another to do them at national enterprises
                    1. NEOZ
                      NEOZ April 7 2020 13: 00 New
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                      Quote: Gregory_45
                      Does this mean that the MiG-15 is not Soviet?

                      this means that for the next generation of fighter jets a new engine is needed !!!
                      MiG15 - VK-1 (RD-45) - The first mass-produced Soviet turbojet engine. Based on the British Rolls-Royce Nene engine.
                      MiG19 - RD-9 (AM-9) - Soviet turbojet engine. The engine design was not based on German or British models. Known primarily due to the first Soviet supersonic MiG-19 fighter.
                      ps
                      Quote: Gregory_45
                      It is one thing to buy motors over a hill, and quite another to do them at national enterprises

                      I suspect that motors in Sweden are assembled from American components.
                      those. Swedes are not able to independently develop new engines !!!!
                      1. Grigory_45
                        Grigory_45 April 7 2020 13: 09 New
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                        Quote: NEOZ
                        I suspect

                        you better not play the investigator, but learn the materiel

                        For example, the Volvo Flygmotor RM-35C engine, a Swedish licensed copy of the British Rolls-Royce Avon RA.6 engine, was installed on the SAAB 24 Draken, but the engine received an afterburner made in Sweden

                        Etc. Motor production in Sweden is also highly developed.
                      2. NEOZ
                        NEOZ April 7 2020 13: 32 New
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                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        you better not play the investigator, but learn the materiel

                        I don’t give you advice on what to play / go for ....
                        ps
                        Do you think that the Swedes are able to create a 5/6 generation fighter?
                        PPP
                        I, on the basis of my knowledge, argue that Sweden, Turkey, Japan are not able to independently create a 5th generation fighter in the next 15 years.
                        ppps
                        judging by the cost of flu in the Indian tender, the unification of flu with American aircraft is quite high (American components are used to produce flu).
                      3. Grigory_45
                        Grigory_45 April 7 2020 13: 37 New
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                        Quote: NEOZ
                        Do you think that the Swedes are able to create a 5/6 generation fighter?

                        on my own - no. For many reasons, including because it is very expensive. Most likely they will join the British with their Tempest.

                        Quote: NEOZ
                        judging by the cost of flu in an indian tender

                        do not judge the cost of a car by tenders for a foreign customer.
                      4. NEOZ
                        NEOZ April 7 2020 13: 47 New
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                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        on my own - no.

                        all my comments about it also speak !!!!
                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        foreign customer

                        interesting term ... in commercial organizations is not used ...
                        Apparently, the work is related to the export of military air defense for the customer’s air force ...
                      5. Grigory_45
                        Grigory_45 April 7 2020 14: 32 New
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                        Quote: NEOZ
                        all my comments about it also speak !!!!

                        not about that. You diligently but unreasonably belittle the Swedish aviation school and industry.

                        If we are talking about 5th generation airplanes (and even more so the 6th), then countries that can build such an airplane alone can be counted on the fingers of the hand - and then for them this is still a burden. Nowadays, even the rich, aviation-developed states are trying to create alliances (the international F-35, the Franco-German NGF project, the British and Tempest will also find a partner)
  • Grigory_45
    Grigory_45 April 6 2020 16: 51 New
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    Quote: NEOZ
    and they have a production of fighters? .... at least the 4th generation ...

    licensed - yes. Turks collect American F-16s, Japanese - Phantoms and Needles. The Japanese even build their own planes, though not fighters (anti-submarine, military transport, search and rescue and training)
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 April 6 2020 16: 20 New
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    From the consumables of the Air Force, the fighter turned into a white swan, beautiful and expensive.
    What is presented for a 5-generation aircraft requires developed fundamental science, industry, and rich experience in materials science and programming. Only two countries possess all this: the USA and Russia. The Chinese plane is not the fifth generation. And all the rest is PR, and then buy either F35 or SU50.
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B April 6 2020 16: 26 New
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      Quote: Doccor18
      The Chinese plane is not the fifth generation.

      So the F-35 is also not suitable for the fifth generation American criteria.
      Afterburner supersound bye bye!
      Penguin, he is a proud bird!
      Until you kick, it won’t fly!
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 April 6 2020 16: 30 New
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        F22 still do not sell. And not everything is clear with him.
        And our hawk and F35, I think, will bring to mind even so.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh April 6 2020 17: 45 New
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          F-35 in 2023 will undergo changes. They have already allocated money. He will get the engine 10% more powerful, there will be 6 missiles in the inner compartment, not 4.
          Well, in avionics there will be big upgrades.
          1. Grigory_45
            Grigory_45 April 6 2020 22: 33 New
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            Quote: voyaka uh
            F-35 in 2023 will undergo changes. They have already allocated money. He will get the engine 10% more powerful

            Are you talking about a motor created according to the AETP program (Pratt & Whitney XA101)?
            Quote: voyaka uh
            there will be 6 missiles in the inner compartment, not 4

            where can I read about it? ..
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh April 7 2020 00: 02 New
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              About the engine here, type:
              Pratt & Whitney is pitching a new version of the F-35 engine
              About 6 missiles was that a new suspension block was developed for explosive missiles in the internal
              compartment: "tight packing" in the same volume. But already released aircraft
              will not be redone - it’s difficult.
              Lockheed Martin has matured design concepts to integrate 6 air-to-air missiles
              within the internal weapons bays of the F-35A and F-35C variant
        2. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 April 6 2020 22: 45 New
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          Quote: Doccor18
          Yes, and not everything is clear with him

          The F-22s will have to undergo modernization, during which they will replace the engines (they will supply engines with an adaptive duty cycle), aircraft (in particular, they will install a new radar, a new electronic warfare system, they will introduce the helmet-mounted HMCS system) and software (F-22 will be able to use missiles AIM-120D AMRAAM and AIM-9X Sidewinder), will teach you how to work more efficiently on the ground.

          The current U.S. Air Force development plan calls for the cancellation of F-22 fighters no earlier than 2060
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh April 7 2020 00: 37 New
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            Upgrades F-22 - a headache. Even Link-16 was installed with great difficulty. Prior to this, the pilots of the two F-22s, who always covered the drums F-16 and F-18 in Syria, had to talk to their pilots on the walkie-talkie, as in the good old days. laughing
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 6 2020 15: 48 New
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    Stupid Poles, but they forgot about the striped, they themselves want to sell their planes to all of them, so they will put sticks in the wheels
  • nPuBaTuP
    nPuBaTuP April 6 2020 15: 49 New
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    But what about the Poles themselves ... Only they know how to do analyzes
    Though a biplane of some building is flawed ...
  • knn54
    knn54 April 6 2020 16: 28 New
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    Nobody wants to take Poles into companions. Neither for tanks, nor for planes ...
  • Grigory_45
    Grigory_45 April 6 2020 16: 47 New
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    At the end of 2018, Japan announced its desire to acquire 100 F-35s, but this does not cancel attempts to acquire its own fighter.
    incorrect, all the same cancels. Pull your own, very expensive project and at the same time buy the same expensive Lightning - the navel will not untie?

    A new aircraft should be ready by the beginning of the 2030s
    what optimists! Even taking into account the experience of the experienced Mitsubishi X-2 Shinshin, the deadline is clearly unrealistic. If no one gets in the way, they could put them on the wing by 2040-2050. But there is an F-35 ...

    It soon became clear that the cost of the program would become very expensive even for not poor South Korea ... Seoul turned to a tried and tested method - finding a state that wants to become a partner and share the costs of creating a new plane ... Then the Koreans have a new promising partner - Indonesia .
    oh yes, this is a partner! Reliable and rich! Possessing technology in aircraft construction!
  • Amateur
    Amateur April 6 2020 17: 04 New
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    can replenish with the states of East and Southeast Asia. This forecast is made by the Polish edition of Defense24.

    Discuss the comments of the Polish publication on the prospects for aircraft manufacturing in Asia? In pandemic isolation, you can come up with more nonsense. By the way, for the previous commentary on Polonsky's article on the American advantage in the Premier League, I got so many minuses that I doubted the nationality of VO readers. belay
  • Atlant-1164
    Atlant-1164 April 6 2020 17: 09 New
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    the world is changing, like global decision centers ..
  • Unic
    Unic April 6 2020 17: 22 New
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    Already in the foreseeable future, the ranks of countries producing fighter aircraft of the 5th and 6th generation .. What kind of rows are these interesting?
  • Mentat
    Mentat April 6 2020 19: 02 New
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    Quote: Victor_B
    Only three countries were able to do this, the United States (which "set" these criteria), Russia and China.

    What China has done is a big question. No specifications published. Judging by the few videos, it flies like a pregnant cow. Whether this device meets at least some criteria of the 5th generation is not clear.
  • lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey April 6 2020 20: 08 New
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    where is the genius that the design of the new aircraft will make different from the current ?! For example, a disk ...
  • RVAPatriot
    RVAPatriot April 6 2020 22: 49 New
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    I am for close cooperation between Japan and North Korea, there is something to teach each other!
  • Karaul14
    Karaul14 April 6 2020 23: 46 New
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    Everyone is still trying to copy the F-22, the Americans, meanwhile, will be adopting the 6th generation, while I will be doing the 5th catching up.
  • shadow
    shadow April 7 2020 03: 13 New
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    The 5th really isn’t, and they climbed to the 6th already.
  • Al_lexx
    Al_lexx April 7 2020 05: 52 New
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    All this is hurt, in isolation from reality.
    I mean real fighting.
    It seems that some glands will give a certain 100% superiority.
    Passed by.
    In vietnam.

    And so - yes, of course, higher faster, further.
    It is a pity that many do not understand this simple truth. Cars do not win, although they help.