“Correctly done”: Iranian deputy approved the destruction of the Ukrainian plane

Hassan Norouzi, the people's deputy in the Iranian parliament, believes that the military countries made the right decision by destroying the Ukrainian airliner. As he believes, this measure allowed to secure the airspace of the state.

According to the deputy, the military "did the right thing" by shooting down a Ukrainian plane in January of this year. Therefore, there were no "organizational conclusions" from this incident: no arrests were made in connection with this incident, although they were officially reported.

Well performed their duties. The movement of the aircraft was very suspicious. The plane was no longer under the control of the control tower and, it seems, came under the control of America. The plane stayed in Israel a week before and was hacked

- approved the actions of the air defense of Noruzi, as reported by the Israeli news edition The Jerusalem Post.

As he noted, a specific task was set for the passenger airliner: it had “special goals” in Iran.

We are talking about an aircraft that was shot down by Iranian air defense systems during a missile attack on US military bases in Iraq. Tehran, which initially denied any guilt, eventually assumed responsibility.

Comments

[Kronos]

Nonsense destruction of a civilian plane cannot be right

[sergey32]

Here the question is who is to blame - the air defense calculation or the one who did not close the sky at the time of the database.

[Kronos]

And those and others

[Insurgent]

Quote: sergey32

Here the question is who is to blame - the air defense calculation or the one who did not close the sky at the time of the database.

Quote: Kronos

And those and others

Kronos, and what do you say about a similar thing that happened in the DPR when ex-Ukraine didn't close airspace, and at the same time knocked down civilian liner?

For some reason, the "Western partners" are not inclined to blame the "Square" ...

[Kronos]

I will say that the plane could bring down any of the 2 sides

[Insurgent]

Quote: Kronos

I will say that the plane could bring down any of the 2 sides

And why half answer?
Without mentioning the fault of the "square" in not closing its airspace?

And who are these, "2 sides"?

[Kronos]

Ukraine and the DNI of Ukraine’s fault in any case, of course, since the space that brought down the iron evidence wasn’t closed

[Insurgent]

Quote: Kronos

Ukraine and the DNI of Ukraine’s fault in any case, of course, since the space that brought down the iron evidence wasn’t closed

So, quietly we begin to get closer to the truth ...

1) Ukraine is a priori to blame for the fact that it did not close the sky.
2) The militia of the BUK air defense system, at that time was not, except malfunctioning installation(suburb official statement in 2014) captured in the military unit on the street, Stratonavtov in Donetsk, and subsequently "exported in an unknown direction".
3) Russian air defense systems NOT were at that moment in the DNI, and even more so NOT passed to the militia ...

In dill, beech trees were ...

[Holgerton]

And why don’t you remember the joyful voices of the militia on the day when they claimed that they shot down another Ukrainian military transport plane they couldn’t decide what this time to count IL-76 or An-26, and then sharply changed their minds to record yourself down, literally on the same day)
Moreover, if we consider that the DNI were then rebels without means of high-altitude interception, then in a large number of countries of the world with rebels without serious air defense, civilian planes fly at FL320 (about 10000 m), but if you say that Ukraine is to blame in the non-closure of airspace, then you automatically agree that the DNI still had something more serious than MANPADS and Strela-10, and then you decide who was to blame and who was more profitable, I only build speculation from my bell tower I can)

[Insurgent]

Quote: Holgerton

And why don’t you remember the joyful voices of the militia on the day when they claimed that they shot down another Ukrainian military transport plane they couldn’t decide what this time to count IL-76 or An-26, and then sharply changed their minds to record yourself down, literally on the same day)

Are you sure that the data you provided took place at all, or specifically on that day?

Do not exclude the fact of manipulations, as with this video?

[Holgerton]

There are generally murky stories with this, and the number of manipulations is so great that even if you find any material released that day, there is a chance that it can be faked, or photoshop, so I said that I can build speculation to Unfortunately, only from its bell tower.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Holgerton

There are generally murky stories with this, and the number of manipulations is so great that even if you find any material released that day, there is a chance that it can be faked, or photoshop, so I said that I can build speculation to Unfortunately, only from its bell tower.

All the fog would have dissipated in an instant if:

a) The outskirts would provide data from dispatching services and records of negotiations, would reveal the location of its air defense systems ...
b) the US has declassified and provided satellite intelligence data
c) Russia has declassified and provided similar data from satellites and radar ...

BUT EVERYTHING IS SILENT...

[Tatyana]

Quote: Insurgent

All the fog would have dissipated in an instant if: a) The outskirts provided the data of dispatching services and records of negotiations, disclosed the location of their air defense systems ...
b) the US has declassified and provided satellite intelligence data
c) Russia has declassified and provided similar data from satellites and radar ... BUT EVERYTHING IS SILENT ...

Russia just submitted data from its Russian satellites (?) And the radar station to the commission of inquiry, however, foreign investigators not only did not allow the Russian Federation to investigate, but did not take this Russian information into account.
But Ukraine was part of the "Investigators" in the case of the death of the Malaysian Boeing M-17 and shuffled its fake "fact cards" there in a way that was beneficial to it, so that Ukraine could escape responsibility for its provocative downing of the Malaysian Boeing over the territory of the DPR.

[Moon]

Quote: Tatiana

Russia just submitted data from its Russian satellites (?) And the radar station to the commission of inquiry, however, foreign investigators not only did not allow the Russian Federation to investigate, but did not take this Russian information into account.

twice. The first is in an unacceptable format.
Experts from the Federal Air Transport Agency were involved in the investigation.
No commission. The Russian Federation cannot be in the commission because neither the plane nor the space, nor passengers are connected with the Russian Federation.

Quote: Tatiana

But Ukraine was part of the "Investigators" in the case of the death of the Malaysian Boeing M-17 and shuffled its fake "fact cards" there in a way that was beneficial to it, so that Ukraine could escape responsibility for its provocative downing of the Malaysian Boeing over the territory of the DPR.

Ukraine provided everything that was demanded and asked.
Everything is in the public report.
I have a question of casuistry.
If everyone insists on two details at the same time.
The fact that Ukraine did not close the space and what happened in the sky of the so-called DNR.
And if we insist that Ukraine fought with the DPR and the airspace was not closed at the DPR, is this version disputed?
It’s just that when it is necessary, the Ordlo is a part of Ukraine (when export, for example, is counted to Ukraine and Ukraine itself didn’t import anything, but LDNR was consumed)
And then this is all an internal civil conflict.
And when necessary, Ukraine attacked the "independent LDNR" ...
Even in the Russian Federation there is no clear understanding.
They play as they want. Comfortable. Even for residents of ORDLO, they want in the Russian Federation then to Ukraine in the status of ORDLO.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Tatiana

Russia just submitted to the investigation commission data from its Russian satellites (?) And radar

Tatyana, the provided images and radar data, somehow managed to identify the exact launch site of the BUK missile, and its flight path?


Definitely NOotherwise, if this were done, then no rumors would arise ... In principle.

Or, if it was not an air defense system, but an MiG-29 or Su-27 APU, all questions could also be removed.

But questions remain ... For some reason ...

[Tatyana]

When the culprits are APPOINTED, so that you do not present this to refute all kinds of indictment falsifications, nothing will be taken into account by an affiliated court. The investigation will drag on until all valid witnesses disappear over time and the event grows with all sorts of myths, when false and confusing misinformation does not gain sufficient quantitative force so that the false accusation in society is tolerated by the public and passed in court, as softened butter knife.

For example.
It should be noted that in favor of the investigative-Ukrainian version of the shooting of the Malaysian Boeing from the allegedly Russian "Buk" there is evidence that the so-called. Investigative Veshdok N 9D1318869032 at the heart of the Netherlands' accusation of the death of MH17 by the Netherlands is a FALSE of the pro-Ukrainian and anti-Russian biased investigation in the Netherlands, not only by the number of the Soviet missile that was actually in the bins of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but also by the appearance of the allegedly used missile itself. Namely.

The top two photos show the "investigation" in the Netherlands of a missile allegedly fired from a Buk, as evidence N 9D1318869032 of its shelling of a Malaysian Boeing.

However, experts say that a thin-walled (4-6 mm) steel cylinder simply can’t look like this after the explosion of 70 kg warhead (warhead) 2-3 meters away and 3-8 meters near the cockpit of the liner of the ill-fated MH17 flight .
The action of the front of the shock wave of the explosion with part of the striking elements (PE), together with the torn elements of the destroyed structure of the rocket itself, would have turned not only into a "colander" - they would have torn this green thin-walled tube to shreds.
And even if some large fragment had been preserved, he would also plop out from there, from a height of 11 km on the ground.

In other words. The tail part of the Buk missile, no matter who launched it, the air defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Marsiyan, Russians, should approximately look like in the bottom photo. (See photo 3)

См. подробнее - https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5d12b3f37dc1f900b030f9e4/vescdok-n-9d1318869032-falshivka-v-osnove-obvineniia-rossii-v-gibeli-mh17-5dee43a1ba281e00b292d2b7?utm_source=serp

With such Cunning demonstrative techniques, the engaged and affiliated investigative bodies and the court transfer the blame from the true perpetrators to the politically appointed innocents.

Remember the provocative accusation by the Nazis of the Bulgarian communist of arson allegedly to them of the Reichstag!

[Insurgent]

Quote: Tatiana

The top two photos show the "investigation" in the Netherlands of a missile allegedly fired from a Buk, as evidence N 9D1318869032 of its shelling of a Malaysian Boeing.

That's it - Allegedly rocket,Allegedly "Russian BUKA" ...Allegedly shooter ...

ButTatiana, you yourself yesterday posted a video exposing the fraud and fakes.
And in the series of these same videos, there is a reference to the fact that the Boeing was shot down not by air defense systems, but by a fighter ...

You yourself write about material evidence, and you probably understand that the Russian side Can NOT dispose satellite intelligence data on the launch (or lack thereof) of an anti-aircraft missile system of the BUK complex ...
But this data is not available ... As if the territory of the DPR "dropped out" from the field of vision of satellite reconnaissance of both the United States and the Russian Federation ...

[Tatyana]

Quote: Insurgent

As if the territory of the DPR "dropped out" of the field of vision of satellite reconnaissance of both the United States and the Russian Federation ...

I write about what I remember since 2014. I try not to invent anything from myself. Many videos and articles on the Internet can no longer be found.

Satellite images from US satellites were definitely there, because the American satellite was just above the crash site at that time. But the United States did not represent them to the investigation. It’s clear why. Because they are not speaking in favor of the innocence of Ukraine.
Then it was fundamentally important to whom, of the belligerent parties, belonged at that time the territory from which the Ukrainians could shoot from the "Buk". The place was established - and at that moment it was controlled by the troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
It is believed that both the Ukrainian Buk and Ukrainian aircraft took part in the downing of the Malaysian Boeing. Ukrainian "Buk" was supposed to destroy the plane, and Ukrainian military aircraft controlled this and had to finish it off in case of a miss. This is one of the versions. Ukrainian pilot Voloshin received a combat award after this departure.

But there is also a version that the Malaysian Boeing was still remotely detonated from within by a bomb in the cockpit.

[Shurik70]

Who is to blame - a separate issue (and possibly unsolvable)
But the deputy - made the biggest mistake in his life. The Iranian government is reasonably and authoritarian enough, and there will be no quarrel with another country where scandal can be avoided without harming the country.
Very soon, the deputy will lose his mandate and any political future.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Insurgent

Quote: Holgerton

And why don’t you remember the joyful voices of the militia on the day when they claimed that they shot down another Ukrainian military transport plane they couldn’t decide what this time to count IL-76 or An-26, and then sharply changed their minds to record yourself down, literally on the same day)

Are you sure that the data you provided took place at all, or specifically on that day?

Do not exclude the fact of manipulations, as with this video?

And here is the second film, the continuation of this journalistic investigation into the exposure of the US-Ukrainian falsification with the fall of the Malaysian Boeing M-17 over the DPR in 2014.

Episode Two: "In the Elderberry Garden" ... • 8 Jul. Feb 2016

[venik]

Quote: Holgerton

And why don’t you remember the joyful voices of the militia on the day when they claimed that they shot down another Ukrainian military transport plane they couldn’t decide what this time to count IL-76 or An-26, and then sharply changed their minds to record self downing

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And why don't you remember the "fake" that spread over the network - (allegedly "radio interception" of the SBU), BEFORE THAT, as it was established the fact of the fall of Boeing, where supposedly "militias" boast that shot down a plane from MANPADS (!!!) and which quickly removed from the network due to its obvious STUPIDness (bring down a liner flying at an altitude of 10 km from MANPADS - ) .....

[4ekist]

I see professional terms. I will also try to ask a few prof. questions. Why there are no records of the dispatcher (the management of MH17 was under the control of the Dnieper) and where the dispatcher subsequently went, why was the usual corridor crossing the state changed. the border, the aircraft did not communicate with the Rostov EU EU ATM, although the aircraft commander was required to request entry into the airspace of the Russian Federation at least 10 minutes (about 150 km at a speed of 900 km / h) before crossing. The declared height of the aircraft should be N10600-11600-12600m. And what was MH17 flying to? A lot of questions come up.

[Rafa]

We recall the five-day war with Georgia. Our general comments on the air battle. Thinks our shot down and shot down our plane.

[New Year day]

1.

Quote: Insurgent

1) Ukraine is a priori to blame for the fact that it did not close the sky.

Question: Why did Russia close the sky on the eve of the tragedy? Russia does not deny or explain this fact.
July 14, 2014 Ukraine established the minimum altitude of the flight of civil transit vessels over the ATO zone in xnumx meters, and Russia - in 16150 meters.
Why is there such a difference in declared heights? No answer
2.

Quote: Insurgent

At that time, the militia did not have a BUK air defense missile system, except for a faulty installation (an official statement from the outskirts in 2014) captured in the military unit on Stratonavtov street in Donetsk, and subsequently "taken out in an unknown direction."

what to do with the statements of these gentlemen and the media?

I don’t understand all this!

[Liam]

Quote: Silvestr

and Russia - at 16150 meters.

And what famous civilian aircraft are you capable of flying 16.000 meters and above?

[New Year day]

Quote: Liam

And what famous civilian aircraft are you capable of flying 16.000 meters and above?

so tell me, not the pilot, why was that? Negative means a lack of position and explanation of a well-known fact

[Liam]

I didn’t minus you. I don’t know where you got this infa from, but civil aircraft are unable to fly at such an altitude and the establishment of such a limitation means the closure of the airspace in fact. There was nothing like that then, so check the reliability of this "information" better.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Silvestr

Question: Why did Russia close the sky on the eve of the tragedy?

patamushta vna deployed an air defense system in the zone of attack on the civilian population !!

[4ekist]

"... Ukraine on July 14, 2014 set the minimum flight altitude for civilian transit ships over the ATO zone at 9754 meters, and Russia at 16150 meters ....."

And why only July 14, why not with the outbreak of hostilities? As for the spread of heights, this is a decision of the Government Decree (Ukraine and Russia). They felt that flying above 9754m was safe, but in Russia they considered it insufficient. Fighter aircraft may fly higher. It is no secret that any use of airspace (even the construction of high-rise buildings) in Russia is controlled by the air defense and air forces.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Kronos

who brought down the iron evidence was not

But you wrote DNR

[Kronos]

Yes, I wrote that it was hard to say for sure of the two of them

[venik]

Quote: Kronos

Ukraine and the DPR

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Immediately a question: WHAT could the DPR shoot down a liner flying 10 kilometers ??? With your finger? Or from MANPADS ??? "Bukov" then WAS NOT to them!

[Chingachguk]

And for some reason, sanctions against Russia for the downed liner ... How do you explain this? Is this normal in your opinion?

[Insurgent]

Quote: Chingachguk

And for some reason, sanctions against Russia for the downed liner ... How do you explain this? Is this normal in your opinion?

Sanctions? Yes, spit on them Not this, so something else would be used as an excuse ...

In Russia, for some reason they forgot that the toughest US sanctions were imposed not for Crimea, Donbass or Boeing, or the "Skripals case" but under the "Magnitsky Law" back in 2012 ...

[forty-eighth]

"The toughest" do you call the ban on entry to persons directly or indirectly guilty of the death of Magnitsky?

[Insurgent]

Quote: forty-eighth

"The toughest" do you call the ban on entry to persons directly or indirectly guilty of the death of Magnitsky?

Have you read the supplements regarding finance, companies, state property of the Russian Federation?

[forty-eighth]

It depends on what law they were adopted. Magnitsky’s list itself includes only officials; there are no legal entities or states.

[Insurgent]

Quote: forty-eighth

Magnitsky’s list itself includes only officials; there are no legal entities or states.

Everything is clear ... You are another "expert" ...

And in Vicky to climb, at least "inches to pick up" and not look wretched, is not destiny?

Quote: Wikipedia

Sanctions mean visa restrictions on entry into the United States and blocking financial assets in US banks

Then, the scope of the law was expanded, and went beyond only the US financial system ...

[forty-eighth]

So where is it about legal entities or states? Officials guilty of Magnitsky’s death are denied entry and accounts are blocked. Where is the contradiction with what I wrote? Or do you have problems with the Russian language?

[New Year day]

Quote: Insurgent

And in Vicky to climb, at least "inches to pick up" and not look wretched, is not destiny?

sorry for the intrusion
Wiki:
Magnitsky Law (also Magnitsky Act, English Russia and Moldova Jackson-Vanik Repeal and Sergei Magnitsky Rule of Law Accountability Act of 2012) - a law passed by William Browder in December 2012 in the USA that repeals the Jackson-Vanik amendment and imposing personal sanctions on individualsresponsible for violating human rights and the rule of law in Russia.
Sanctions mean visa restrictions on entering the United States and blocking financial assets in US banks.
In addition to the ban on entry, the European Parliament offers law enforcement agencies of the EU countries to freeze the assets of Russian officials involved in the Magnitsky case on its territory.
In April 2014, the European Parliament adopted another resolution banning entry into the EU countries and the freezing of European assets (if any) of 32 persons who, according to European deputies, are directly responsible for the death of Sergei Magnitsky.
The law combining the Magnitsky Act and allowing the president to repeal the amendment in respect of Russia and Moldova was passed by the Senate. On December 20, 2012, US President Barack Obama signed the law.

[venik]

Quote: Insurgent

Sanctions? Yes, spit on them yes Not that, so something else would be used as an excuse ...

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Actually, for me personally (I do not pretend to be "the ultimate truth"), for some reason it seems that this blah is one of the main tasks of the "pigfirer" Petsy and Co.: hump "wanted to enter" Paradise "), but it didn’t come out - the NATO members of course gladly introduced" sanctions ", but they didn’t want to" drag chestnuts out of the fire "for the sake of the" pigfuehrer ": Where have you seen it - for the sake of ... oh, perdon! - for the sake of a vassal "into someone else's fight" to climb?

[boris epstein]

Not to argue, watch the movie "The Truth About the MH17 Disaster: A Sensational Investigation of an SBU Officer" on YouTube. SBU Colonel Vasily Prozorov moved to the DPR with a full set of investigation documents. On my own behalf, I will add: the BUK missile launcher radar can detect targets within a radius of 20 km. To detect targets at a greater distance, each BUK battery has a Kupol BM, satellite channels or ground detection means are used. The liner speed is 980 km / h, the altitude is 10000 m. Using its own radar, the fire launcher could not detect and shoot down in time liner. One more question for Ukraine: where is the air traffic controller Anna Petrenko, who drove the Boeing? 6 years about her not a rumor or a spirit. Even the body was not found.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Insurgent

Kronos, what can you say about a similar thing that happened in the DPR when ex-Ukraine did not close airspace, and at the same time shot down a civilian airliner?

What was not the first such case

[Insurgent]

Quote: Lipchanin

What was not the first such case

With a downed passenger liner, not the first, but here NOT closing the sky, this is the first time ...

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Insurgent

With a downed passenger airliner, not the first, but NOT closing the sky, this is the first time ...

They then had to close. There were exercises

[Insurgent]

Quote: Lipchanin

They then had to close. There were exercises

You are wrong, the plane was shot down OUT shooting zones.
The S-200 air defense missile missile found its target far beyond the coordinates of a conventionally defined range, at the location of international air routes.

Another thing is that they shot down and did not want to admit ...

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Insurgent

You are wrong, the plane was shot OUT of the shooting zone.

Maybe. I don’t remember the details

Another thing is that they shot down and did not want to admit ...

Compensation to Russian citizens has not been paid

[Moon]

Quote: Lipchanin

Compensation to Russian citizens has not been paid

paid like the Israelis.

[boris epstein]

According to the legend of the exercises, all negotiations of command and calculations should have been conducted in Ukrainian. And this despite the fact that all the officers graduated from military schools in the Russian language. If the native language is Russian, then the person must translate it into Ukrainian before speaking something, especially since not all technical terms are in the Ukrainian language. It takes tenths of a second, but when transmitting and receiving several commands and reports, it translates into seconds. These extra seconds also played a role: the homing missile was not captured by the target plane that passed the meeting point, but by the passenger side that followed it.

[Terenin]

Quote: sergey32

The Iranian parliament, Hassan Norouzi, believes that the military countries made the right decision by destroying the Ukrainian airliner.

First: Iran admitted to eliminating the Ukrainian airliner, as mistook him for an enemy object.
Secondly, Rouhani stated that

“Deeply regrets this catastrophic mistake” and expressed condolences to the families of the victims.

But, now the Iranian parliamentarian Hassan Norouzi expressed his opinion,

that the military countries made the right decision by destroying the Ukrainian airliner. As he believes, this measure allowed to secure the airspace of the state.

Of course, a tragedy, and it’s a pity for the innocent victims, but I want to remind you very much indignant of this statement by Leonid Kuchma, who acknowledged the fact that the Ukrainian military shot down the plane (2001) and

urged not to make of this tragedy. ... We are not the first and not the last, do not make a tragedy out of this.

well sure

The movement of the aircraft was very suspicious.

as well as the behavior of the political leadership of Ukraine ...

[Lopatov]

Quote: Terenin

But, now the Iranian parliamentarian Hassan Norouzi expressed his opinion,

?
A more adequate phrase "the Israeli press claims that ...."

Moreover, given the highest tendency of this press to lie, especially when it comes to Syria or Iran ....

[Lipchanin]

Quote: sergey32

who did not close the sky at the time of the database.

The outskirts did not block the sky, but Russia is to blame

[4ekist]

Ukraine is to blame: the plane was shot down over Ukraine and crashed there.

[surf dude]

Quote: sergey32

Here the question is who is to blame - the air defense calculation or the one who did not close the sky at the time of the database.

Israel!

[Lopatov]

Tell it to the Americans. Downed the Iranian A300.
The captain was even awarded the order for successful service.

[geon]

aha, try today somewhere over Washington to fly without communication, without control of the control tower and "suspicious course"

[knn54]

There is a possibility that the code for the Ukrainian Boeing 737-800 aircraft shot down by Iranian air defense on January 8 was hidden on radars. This was stated by the deputy of the Iranian inter-region Ahmad Alirezabeygi. “And there was an opportunity to control this aircraft from a distance,” the politician says.
This statement came two or three days after the tragedy.
About 10 years ago, the Iranians shot down their fighter in the area of ​​Bushehr, where the construction of a nuclear power plant ended.

[Rzzz]

As far as I understand the device of the Boeing 737 (and it is essentially not far from the Tu-134), it is impossible to control it remotely. Airbus is another matter.

And the deputy is full. Did he get infected from our "parliamentarians" or what?

[4ekist]

We also have "restricted zones", try to fly there, also a border strip with a special flight regime.

[Moon]

Quote: geoan

aha, try today somewhere over Washington to fly without communication, without control of the control tower and "suspicious course"

11 September....
but now they will shoot down the "suspicious".

[boris epstein]

I completely agree with you. But then the conclusion is that the ramming by the passenger liners of the twin towers is the work of the CIA or the NSA. And spit it deep on their dead citizens.

[Cowbra]

Quote: Kronos

Nonsense destruction of a civilian plane cannot be right

"America will never apologize," Reagan said, and awarded the destroyer commander who shot down the Iranian liner. Iran did the same

[Alex_You]

Both, and the relations between Iran and Ukraine are the same as between the USA and Iran?

[Alex Nevs]

Hybrid warfare also implies hybrid solutions. In the dark can use. There the waltzman on the outskirts led a dumb herd to slaughter for His Roshenbusiness. But they still do not understand how he raped them.

[Bshkaus]

Nonsense destruction of a civilian plane cannot be right

I have a big request to all who put and will deliver Kronos minus, unsubscribe, so that I know you in the face of people with whom I am not on the way.
Think about what you say with your minuses! you become accomplices in the massacre of innocent people.
I'm wondering, if God forbid, they will shoot down the plane with your wives, children, parents, brothers and sisters, would you also calmly say "they had grounds ..."?
A person with a capital Ch, will not think like that, think about it!
There can be no moral justification for killing civilians.

[hohkn]

Quote: Bshkaus

There can be no moral justification for killing civilians.

I did not put cons.
But you tell this to those who justify the actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and other security officials of Banderstan. Those are the ones who are surely beating civilians in places of concentration, abducting civilians again, "appointing" them as spies.

[ApJlekuHo]

There can be no moral justification for killing civilians.

Part of any military conflict is the massacre of civilians. Any war to seize territories is meaningless without the destruction of the local population. Donbass (and Ukraine itself) is a vivid example of this, and all these downed planes are just "bonuses".

[Alex_You]

Quote: ApJlekuHo

There can be no moral justification for killing civilians.

Part of any military conflict is the massacre of civilians. Any war to seize territories is meaningless without the destruction of the local population. Donbass (and Ukraine itself) is a vivid example of this, and all these downed planes are just "bonuses".

When did the "military conflict" between Ukraine and Iran mature?

[ApJlekuHo]

Did I write about the conflict between Ukraine and Iran? I gave an example of the destruction of civilians on the population, what is your question?

[Alex_You]

Quote: ApJlekuHo

There can be no moral justification for killing civilians.

Part of any military conflict is the massacre of civilians.

So I'm writing about what kind of conflict between Iran and Ukraine are we talking about?

[ApJlekuHo]

I wrote in Russian, "ANY military conflict", that planes are shot down, cities with population are destroyed, these are not coincidences and coincidences, these are consequences. And no one is waiting for a moral justification for what they have done, it is simply not needed by anyone, there are other reasons .. Look about the conflict between Iran and Ukraine in the google, I have not heard of this.

[New Year day]

Quote: Bshkaus

There can be no moral justification for killing civilians.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Kronos

Nonsense destruction of a civilian plane cannot be right

That's right, but this case is not the first and not the last. Each has its own story. Korean Boeing in the Far East, Malaysian in the Donbass, are the reasons the same? and therefore the assessment is different.

[Vitalion 707]

Americans often carry out operations under the wrong flag, substitute their allies, amers and Jews do not care, here the plane of the Ukrainians was simply put under attack, in the expectation that Iran would not be shot down, but it was shot down, and Israel and Ami should be responsible.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Kronos

Nonsense destruction of a civilian plane cannot be right

South Korean Boeing in 1983 was also shot down incorrectly ???

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Kronos

the destruction of a civilian plane cannot be right

Moderators, twosomes: why did they put the Irish photo, they are doing well.

[Moon]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

Quote: Kronos

the destruction of a civilian plane cannot be right

Moderators, twosomes: why did they put the Irish photo, they are doing well.

it happens. We went in the first picture of the airliner and set everything ready.
Earlier in similar articles, even in the search for Google, they added "Ukrainian" and found a plane in the UIA livery.
Wait, do not bother ...
Although the name is no less ...
otherwise they don’t bother

[orionvitt]

Quote: Kronos

Nonsense destruction of a civilian plane cannot be right

First of all, those who use civilian planes for provocations and for their dirty purposes are guilty. For large-scale provocation, as they say, all means are good. The main thing is that there would be someone to blame for the consequence.

[4ekist]

You're not right. If the aircraft threatens security (important facilities, the state), does not respond to requests, it is subject to destruction. An exception is force majeure. It is alarming that many past events with airplanes and airspace are connected with Ukraine.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Nonsense destruction of a civilian plane cannot be right

I think here the media distorted the words of the Iranian deputy.

He called the actions of calculating the air defense systems correct, but the fact that the civilian airliner turned out to be the unidentified target that brought down this calculation is of course a tragedy.

In my opinion, you need to thoroughly check the remote lock version of the Boeing transponder. We have already seen how the West can remotely turn off even civilian equipment, and to arrange such a provocation with an airplane over Tehran by blocking the transponder signal, I think the United States can also technically and morally do nothing to limit it.

[asv363]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

I think here the media distorted the words of the Iranian deputy.

To read nonsense and fables in the Israeli media about Iran is just a waste of time.

Several people arrested in Iran in connection with the crash of a Ukrainian plane
https://ru.irna.ir/news/83740858/

“After finding out the details of the crash of the Ukrainian plane, several people were arrested and a criminal case was opened on the cause of the incident,” he said on Monday.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Kronos

Nonsense destruction of a civilian plane cannot be right

mericatos don’t think so !!!

The A300 crash over the Persian Gulf is a major aviation accident that occurred on Sunday July 3, 1988. Iran Airbus Airbus A300B2-203 airliner operated IR655 commercial flight en route Tehran — Bandar Abbas — Dubai, but 7 minutes after departure from Bandar Abbas, flying over the Persian Gulf, was hit by a ground-to-air missile launched from US Navy Vincennes missile cruiser. All 290 people on board the aircraft died - 16 crew members and 274 passengers (including 65 children) [1].



During the launch of the rocket, the cruiser Vincennes was located in the territorial waters of Iran. The US government said that the Iran Air airliner was mistakenly identified as an Iranian Air Force F-14 fighter. The Iranian government, however, claims that Vincennes deliberately attacked a civilian plane.

In general, the US government sees the incident as a military incident and believes that the cruiser’s team acted in accordance with current circumstances. Later, the cruiser commander was awarded the Legion of Honor order for his successful service from 1987 to 1989.

[mavrus]

That is ... September 11th if the planes were destroyed, would it be wrong?

[seregatara1969]

The aircraft was controlled externally, remotely. In fact, a drone with cover by people. And then the noise was about Iran’s air defense. There it is how it all turned out. Flew to slaughter

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: seregatara1969

The aircraft was controlled externally, remotely. In fact, a drone with cover by people. And then the noise was about Iran’s air defense. There it is how it all turned out. Flew to slaughter

You can continue the thought: American agents of influence in Iran prevented the sky from closing, the calculation of air defense of American agents also dealt a blow, and the plane was controlled by the Americans. As a result, the United States is to blame, the Iranians are not guilty (c) (sarcasm if that)

And so deftly the deputy threw the blame, by the movement of the plane, by the way, there was nothing suspicious, the transponders worked until the rocket hit the cockpit. So here it is exclusively the fault of the Iranian side 1) They did not block the sky. 2) Inconsistency of services (civilian-military). 3) Error calculating air defense.

[Cowbra]

Did Iran know about the impending attack? No, in fact - without declaring war, under cover of a civilian side, an attack is going on to a sovereign country. And only the one who knew about the attack could close the sky - ONLY USA!
I congratulate you - you just proved that all the fault lies only with the USA

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Cowbra

Did Iran know about the impending attack? No, in fact - without declaring war, under cover of a civilian side, an attack is going on to a sovereign country. And only the one who knew about the attack could close the sky - ONLY USA!
I congratulate you - you just proved that all the fault lies only with the USA

In fact, Iran attacked the US military bases in Iraq, and since the air defense was put on high alert, they were waiting for an answer. So read the chronology of events.

[Cowbra]

In fact, Iran did not attack anyone under the cover of a regular flight, the take-off time of which is known to the US military. In general, it was a pure blow to the terrorists who had previously destroyed the official diplomatic delegation of Iran, who arrived in Iraq at the invitation of the Iraqi authorities.
What does the sky have to do with it? and again - who knew about the attack and did not warn the flight, the take-off time of which the attackers know?
Well done, you continue to prove that the blame on the United States

[Aleksandr21]

Cowbra, although you will vryatly delve into the chronology of events, judging by the message you have some other reality. I recall that the United States destroyed General Suleymani, then Iran promised to take revenge and did it publicly, even raised the flag of revenge, then Iran launched a missile strike on the military bases in Iraq, and after that, in Tehran, the military mistakenly shot down an airplane. Now ask yourself, why were Iran’s air defenses put on high alert? Why in Iran did not close the sky for aircraft? After all, it was the Iranians who struck the American military bases (in response to the assassination of Sulemaini), but after such a move it was foolish not to wait for an answer. As a result, the Americans lost their life, and the Iranians destroyed a civilian plane from fear / error.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Aleksandr21

and the Iranians destroyed a civilian plane out of fear.

That is, the Americans are solely guilty?
For it all began with the fact that

Quote: Aleksandr21

US destroyed General Suleimani

in violation of all possible norms and rules.

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Spade

That is, the Americans are solely guilty?

The blame of the Americans is that they started a conflict, but in the situation with the plane, the main fault lies with the Iranian side, the Americans can be blamed if only indirectly. Since (I repeat) Iranians: 1) They did not block the sky. 2) Inconsistency of services (civilian-military). 3) Error calculating air defense. What prevented the Iranian side from covering the sky after hitting American bases? Who is to blame for the fact that the civil and military services of Iran could not coordinate the work? And a lot of questions to the work of Iran’s air defense.

[Avior]

actually still harder
In Iran, 2 armies.
Plain and IRGC. Between themselves, their relationship is very weak, only through a large bosses. From civilians everything is classified too.
It is even surprising that only one was shot down.
There, a landing was going towards the airport. It’s amazing that he wasn’t shot down even with such disunity and secrecy.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Aleksandr21

The guilt of the Americans that they started a conflict

Here I am about that.

[Cowbra]

Why should I dig? There is no sclerosis yet. Iran does not wage war. Air defense in high - but did they have low in air when Israel was around?

[Korax71]

With memory, maybe yours is fine, but with the topography, it's just disgusting. If you think that "nearby" is across the entire territory of Syria or Iraq, then the distance from Tehran to Jerusalem is 1500 km.

[Avior]

So-so close. from Jerusalem or Tel Aviv to Tehran, more than 1,5 thousand kilometers, from the border of Israel to the border of Iran, one thousand
Israel and Iran do not border.
Between them are two more countries.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: seregatara1969

The aircraft was controlled externally, remotely. Essentially a drone with ..

Can you imagine how to technically implement this?

Quote: Aleksandr21

..there is exclusively the fault of the Iranian side 1) They did not block the sky. 2) Inconsistency of services (civilian-military). 3) Error calculating air defense.

I would put the inconsistency of civil / military in the first position, well, the pressure of the general situation

[Overlock]

People's Choice in the Iranian Parliament Hassan Norouzi ....

must repeat the fate of the passengers of this flight. Scum

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Overlock

must repeat the fate of the passengers of this flight. Scum

By oneself.

[BARKHAN]

Something is messed up: Israel, the USA, towers, important objects, a hacked plane ... is it possible without hints?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Barkhan

Something is messed up: Israel, the USA, towers, important objects, a hacked plane ... is it possible without hints?

Without hints, they can also be held accountable.
You probably missed that the source was the Israeli press.

[steelmaker]

Such a comment will not be enough to justify the death of people. The evidence is not enough!

[Fantazer911]

Double feeling! People died due to the intervention of this side to check the operation of the Iranian air defense system, this is complete cynicism of those who decided to take this step using a civilian plane for mercenary purposes, if you believe Iran, it turns out that in Israel the United States or Israeli specialists intentionally entered the control system of the airliner and what there have been cheated.
Cynicism, human life is not worth anything if it violates the interests of the United States or its puppets!

[major147]

Quote: Fantazer911

it’s complete cynicism of those who decided to take this step using a civilian plane for selfish purposes,

And not the first time. Remember the "Korean Boeing". After all, the Americans, controlling his flight in their area of ​​responsibility, saw perfectly well that he had changed course and was flying to the "wrong direction", but did not warn the crew, although they should have. As a result, we have. what we have.

[smart fellow]

They did not just see, but organized everything. It must be remembered that the Americans feel at home in South Korea and even freer. There was an investigation of a South Korean newspaper, the journalists of which asked family members of the pilots. Pilots were bribed or intimidated and forced to change the route. He passed over Kamchatka, but was shot down near Sakhalin when he violated the airspace of the USSR for the second time. The plane flew with closed portholes. The Soviet pilot would not shoot at a civilian plane if he knew, and he flew up to him at a distance of several hundred meters.
Cheese fired because of the fact that the plane was an American senator. The rest of the USA was nonsense. As a result, the USSR was declared the Evil Empire. Only the Empire could not strike back and fell apart due to rotten leadership.

[major147]

Quote: smart fellow

They organized everything.

Everyone understands this, but they cannot prove it.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: smart fellow

flew with closed windows. The Soviet pilot would not shoot at a civilian plane if he knew, and he flew up to him ...

I still wildly apologize, firstly - you take the situation with KAL007 very narrowly, there you need a prehistory. Secondly: you wrote correctly - Osipovich perfectly saw the plane, which from his words “went like a Christmas tree”, with lights and portholes .. about apply not apply - it’s better not to get into the discussion - thank God we were far from liberal ideas

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: smart fellow

intimidated and forced to change the route.

And there is still an opinion that the pilots mistakenly did not turn on the LNAV / Lateral Navigation mode, but continued to follow with a constant HDG / just course, which led to the avoidance of the route to Soviet airspace. At the same time, they continued to routinely report on the passage of the route, on which the dispatcher relied. Of course, one should look at the world with wide eyes, but one should not get carried away, and with KAL007 including

[Pavel57]

The Americans knew that a devastating tsunami was moving south of Asia, but they did not warn anyone. This is the norm for them.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Fantazer911

Cynicism, human life is not worth anything if it violates the interests of the United States or its puppets!

in fact, it hasn't cost anything for a long time ... with America, and without America, and so and so !!!

[BAI]

States are not the first to use other people's civilian aircraft in the dark for provocations.

[Operator]

Now, suburban aircraft will begin to shoot down around the world.

Natives, fly Aeroflot airplanes

[Moon]

Quote: Operator

Natives, fly Aeroflot airplanes

banned in Ukraine. (similar to UIA for the Russian Federation)
Natives use Belavia for flights to each other.
In an unlucky flight, the Iranians died mostly.
The trouble is that young Ukrainians were also on that board ... Crew + flight personnel.
It’s a pity to everyone - someone was mistaken, but someone lost their lives.

[rotmistr60]

was not under control
control tower and seems to have come under the control of America. The plane stayed in Israel a week before and was hacked

The fact that the indignation subsided too quickly and forgot about this plane prompts certain thoughts. The Boeing shot down over Donbass still (more than 5 years) haunts the "fighters for truth" from the Western community.

[Chaldon48]

It is interesting what this deputy would say if his son died on this plane.

[AB]

Versions, versions ... Who didn’t close the sky, who pressed the rocket launch button, who controlled the plane, the plane’s trajectory, or maybe a mine in the plane fired. The exchange of blows began the Americans, the dead can no longer be returned. The world was lucky that it was all over without ever starting.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

If you follow the logic of the Iranian politician, then the APU shot down the Korean ,, Bong ,, - right. Identified .. happens ..

[hohkn]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

Identified .. happens ..

And how could they have overlooked them? I'm just curious.
The DPR / LPR has no aviation. Russia has not yet appeared in the war. The Boeing was "led" by Ukrainian dispatchers, who also sent it to the combat zone.
The picture does not add up ...

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

I don’t even know .. Maybe they were mistaken, forgot, distracted .. But what difference does it make!) This is Ukraine ..)

[Santa Fe]

This is Ukraine ..)

What is the difference between Russia and Ukraine

One more, another less, both have poverty, problems above the roof due to inability to lead

[hohkn]

Yes, I agree. Anything can be there.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

then APU shot down Korean ,, Bong ,,

have they already managed to Korean ???

[businessv]

was not under the control of the control tower and seems to have come under the control of America. The plane stayed in Israel a week before and was hacked

What does it mean?! The passenger plane came under the control of the Americans after it got out of control of the control tower, and a week earlier it was "hacked" in Israel! Based on this spy passage, he became a military aircraft and began to carry out "special tasks" in Iran? Would you start bombing Iran? Why here, on VO, discuss the delirium of another conspiracy theorist ?! Even if this board was used as a means of observation, which I highly doubt, it would not change anything in the current situation. Forgive me, colleagues, if I offended anyone, but I really didn't understand the point!

[demo]

Another thought is being traced.
Suppose!
1. The aircraft has undergone "outside interference".
2. The plane took off from an Iranian airport and was planned to be used as a "large air bomb".

Is such an option possible?
After September 11, civilian aircraft began to acquire a different halo. Very dark and gloomy.

One thing must be understood.
Both Boeing and Airbus have a lot of their own "bookmarks", which they do not report to anyone.
What are they made for?
Who knows. But they are found by both experts and non-specialists.
Therefore, no one is safe from the fact that at some airport an inconspicuous person, with a certificate of technical control of the corporation, will simply change some kind of microcircuit. And the car will quietly go under external control.
And, most likely, the Boeing that flew "nowhere" over the Indian Ocean was testing the systems and the crew's ability to eliminate this interference.

Speculation, speculation.
And the truth is somewhere nearby.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: demo

"Boeing", that "Airbus" have a lot of their own "bookmarks", which they do not report to anyone .... they are found by both specialists and non-specialists.

Here from this place can be more? Preferably with links to specific sources

[demo]

I don’t remember which year, but a new Boeing was ordered for the President of the PRC in the United States.
So.
Not only was the plane stuffed with equipment of all special services, but specialists from the PRC found a lot in the control and monitoring systems, it’s not clear what the equipment is for.
It has been 10-12 years since that moment.
So dismiss, but I will not share links.
Memory does not hold links.
What surprised you or bothered you so much?
Didn't such an assumption (and my statement on the verge of an assumption) have occurred to you?

If something got into the on-board system and stuffed it into it, although it was known that it would be board No. 1 in China, and did not hesitate, or did not think, then who will give a guarantee of what they can do in an ordinary airplane for the mass consumer?

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: demo

will be board number 1 in China

That is the whole answer. Such a find in normal airplanes will simply destroy aviation in the world - no one will do it, one must be realistic

[Oleg Zorin]

All clear. You will lose 10 seconds. And what am I supposed to surf to refute? Will not work

[demo]

Yes, you are just a loafer.
3 minutes and all.
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/306544
You reminded me of a rower in the galleys.
Everything complains too.

[Santa Fe]

https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/306544

This is recording equipment

Remote control of the aircraft is not mentioned anywhere

[demo]

Have you looked at the year?
2002 was in the yard.
And today is 2020.
And drones flock in flocks and the lead wingman controls.
Do you think the Americans cannot create such equipment?
Zadornov, a great man, led us into fornication with his statements - "well, stupid!"
Not stupid.
Did and will do.
The enemy can not be loved, despised, hated - this is the right of anyone.
But underestimating is an impermissible luxury.

[Santa Fe]

Quote: demo

And today is 2020.

You were asked to provide a link - about a "bookmark" that allows external control of the airliner

You have expressed this thought, you and protect it

[demo]

I don’t know if you can master what I’ll give you now.
And if you master, can you extend the content to the essence of the problem?
Read, think.
Maybe help.
And more.
It’s easier not to ask a question. So people will have a more positive opinion about you.
https://xakep.ru/2011/12/26/58104/

[Santa Fe]

We do not argue with whether this is technically feasible or not.

We argue with your statement:

Both Boeing and Airbus have a lot of their own "bookmarks", which they do not report to anyone ... But both specialists and non-specialists find them.

Who and when found a remote control unit - not in the microwave, not in the laboratory, but in the serial Boeing and Airbus Airliner

Can you prove your words?
It is said "found" (said in the past, perfect tense) - it means they must be bookmark examples

"Bookmarks" - in this contest does not mean microphones, but blocks that allow remote control of the liner

[demo]

http://www.tadviser.ru/index.php/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82:Boeing_(%D0%91%D0%BE%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B3)_(Boeing_)

[Santa Fe]

Where it says that they found a "bookmark"

You are not careful -

"Bookmarks" - in this contest does not mean microphones, but blocks that allow remote control of the liner

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: demo

will you be able to roll over

You still remembered the transition from ACARS to IPS protocols there .. but do you have any idea why ACARS / CPDLC channels are used in air traffic control? Probably not very much - the air is full, to pass to the standards of FANS aka Future Air Navigation System communication bandwidth is required. But even FANS does not imply any control of the aircraft - only communication flight dispatcher. Even in the A380 it’s always possible to turn this trick on-line.
In this dispute, I fully support a colleague

Quote: Santa Fe

we do not argue with how feasible it is technically, or not ... It is said "found" (said in the past, perfect tense) - it means there must be bookmark examples

Technically, these are far from new technologies: Granites flock with exchanges of information for thirty years, probably if not more; Flight was capable in the machine, in addition to traction and use, to intercept the target for another -23p.
Let’s be realistic - to merge information even on a quiet basis for subsequent analysis - it’s at least not ethical, but taking control is a suicide

[vvp2412]

A repetition of the situation, as with the Korean Boeing over the Far East ..

[Mebius]

Quote: vvp2412

A repetition of the situation, as with the Korean Boeing over the Far East ..

Found an example and who prompted you for quiet ..?

[Oleg Zorin]

Not really. Boeing was identified, they tried to get in touch with him. Shot down at the very last moment, at the exit from the airspace of the USSR

[Mebius]

The movement of the aircraft was very suspicious. The plane was no longer under the control of the control tower and, it seems, came under the control of America. The plane stayed in Israel a week before and was hacked

It’s quite possible, I’m not surprised at anything now ... The same Boeing over Donbass that he did there was so confused that you won’t find any ends .. Look for anyone who’s profitable and much will become clear

[Santa Fe]

so everyone confused

Of course

For this purpose, fakes about the Su-25, a photo with an 800-meter Boeing, a pilot Voloshin, etc., "dispatchers" Karlosov poured for five years

[dmmyak40]

And on the photo is the Ryanair board ... Apparently, the photo with the UIA board is so hard to find ... And then we read the articles by German tanks. And someone puts these articles ... USE already rules in VO. Sadly ...

[Moon]

Quote: dmmyak40

And then we read articles by German tanks

Are you talking about posters for pride with German pilots and German tanks with Wehrmacht soldiers?
Well, here you need to learn the art of searching through Google photos. Not many people want to spend a lot of time and knowledge on this.

[dmmyak40]

Yes, the art of searching for images through Google is not given to everyone ... Years and years of hard training and the practice of meditation ...

[Butchcassidy]

All things are possible.

[iouris]

From the very beginning, I wrote that in the situation that developed after the assassination of a major Iranian statesman by the US secret services, the decision to destroy an unidentified air target seems to be the only possible one. Political, moral and legal responsibility for the grave consequences of the incident lies with the carrier.

[Mebius]

Quote: iouris

From the very beginning, I wrote that in the situation that developed after the assassination of a major Iranian statesman by the US secret services, the decision to destroy an unidentified aerial target seems to be the only possible one.

All right! I remember the United States during September 11th. All planes that did not respond, etc., were wet. It was normal, but here the threat to Iranian statehood was direct and there was no time to sort it out ..
Reptile and bloody provocation, and who is behind this all know, but they are afraid of silence ..

[Oleg Zorin]

Who exactly was "soaked". Please, facts into the studio. Otherwise, it's just bullshit

[4ekist]

A small chronology of those events. New York time.

9:06 AM: FAA prohibits the departure of all aircraft bound for New York or whose route passes through its airspace, the same applies to Boston and Washington. The ban applies to airports in the north-east of the country.

9:08: FAA prohibits the departure of all aircraft whose route runs in the airspace of New York, throughout the country.

9:13: F-15 fighters from the Otis air base leave military airspace near Long Island, and pass over Manhattan.

9:24: The FAA notifies the Eastern Air Defense Sector of a possible takeover of Flight 77. The FAA and NORAD establish a permanent communication channel for interaction in the context of the evolving situation.

9:25: F-15s begin patrolling the sky over Manhattan.

9:26: The FAA prohibits takeoffs of all aircraft, regardless of their destination or route. All US military bases receive orders to raise their preparedness to Delta status.

[Oleg Zorin]

Combat training must be increased. The higher it is, the less unidentified goals.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Oleg Zorin

Combat training must be increased. The higher it is, the less unidentified goals.

And it's hard not to agree

[borberd]

Quote: iouris

From the very beginning, I wrote that in the situation that developed after the assassination of a major Iranian statesman by the US secret services, the decision to destroy an unidentified air target seems to be the only possible one. Political, moral and legal responsibility for the grave consequences of the incident lies with the carrier.

That is, you are of the opinion that if a major statesman is killed in a country, then this country's air defense has the right to naughty rockets on all civilian sides flying in the airspace of this country? Are you serious ?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

In my opinion, the media distorted the meaning of what was said by the Iranian deputy.

The actions of the air defense calculations were correct, they saw an unidentified target and destroyed it.

In your opinion, what else should the air defense calculation do, knowing that there may be aggressive actions against his country by the United States and NATO countries ?!

The fact that in the end it turned out to be a civilian aircraft for which for some unknown reason the transponder did not work (which, like the aircraft was most likely made in the USA, but we also saw how the Western companies remotely disconnect their equipment from the power station in Venezuela and even equipment purchased by Gazprom for gas production).

At the scene of the investigation on this fact, I would carefully check the version - intentional remote shutdown or blocking the operation of the transponder. Exactly will not be.

[iouris]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

I would carefully check the version - intentional remote shutdown or blocking the transponder.

The terrible Hague court will figure it out. As it should be. And then sanctions will be imposed on anyone.

[muham]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

what else should air defense calculation do

Really? Indeed? Do you have experience in such a business?
Is there an instruction for this? And it says so, they say there is an unidentified object, break it and that's it?

[Maks1995]

The main thing is how to file.
And all the dead do not care.
The main thing is to bleach yourself and the country.

What can you think of, up to the intervention of aliens, if only to whitewash yourself and blame others

[Den717]

Kapets deputy He will be banned from entering Ukraine in 5 generations !!!

[Shuttle]

Provocation in the title of the article. The deputy approved the actions of the military, calling their decision in that situation correct. But he did not approve of the destruction of the civilian side. It is very strange to see how the audience does not notice such manipulations.
Indeed, the headline actually accused the Iranian MP of almost cannibalism. So drop by drop is humanization. In this case, the Iranians. A very sad sight.

[Kronos]

It seems like they like to criticize the United States for praising and rewarding a pilot who shot down a civilian side, but when the Iranians also praise it, it’s different and better

[meandr51]

Of course better. This is comparable to the downing of a Boeing, which entered the restricted area above Kamchatka. Since the Ukrainian plane also went into the restricted area. And the Iranian airliner, shot down by an American ship, adhered to its corridor, there were no reasons for impact on it at all. These are fundamentally different things.

[Kronos]

No, something is bad, what is it

[meandr51]

Well yes. And did the Soviet soldiers act badly, destroying the fascist invaders, and could the fascists also behave better? Is everyone equally guilty?
I believe that anyone who violates the laws and regulations of the country is to blame.

[Kronos]

Destruction of civilians is always bad Soviet troops fought with soldiers and not civilian Germans

[meandr51]

Bad, but not equally bad. Soviet troops also allowed the defeat of the civilian population in the conduct of hostilities. But this is no reason to equate them with the Nazi, for which this was the ultimate goal. Or with the Americans, who were limited only by the presence of the Soviet nuclear weapons and the Chinese army in the genocide of the Vietnamese.

[Kronos]

Another false comparison between the targeted destruction of civilians that were carried out by the Nazis and the Americans with non-targeted victims during the fighting. But the Americans deliberately shot down the civilian side like the Iranians

[lvov_aleksey]

I do not understand this nonsense in the article to whom he writes ?! write it to the vassals of the striped, they will rejoice !!!!

[Oleg Zorin]

Wild deputy, there's nothing to be done. There are such everywhere

[Moon]

Given the source of the news, I would like the source ...
He could say something similar - but they can interpret as they want.

[tolmachiev51]

It was immediately clear "whose ears are sticking out" !!! A run-in provocation, as our plane was shot down in Syria.

[indy424]

Calm down by the Jews. all media have already published this interview. all the way to el arabia

[meandr51]

Quote: Holgerton

And why don’t you remember the joyful voices of the militia on the day when they claimed that they shot down another Ukrainian military transport plane they couldn’t decide what this time to count IL-76 or An-26, and then sharply changed their minds to record yourself down, literally on the same day)
Moreover, if we consider that the DNI were then rebels without means of high-altitude interception, then in a large number of countries of the world with rebels without serious air defense, civilian planes fly at FL320 (about 10000 m), but if you say that Ukraine is to blame in the non-closure of airspace, then you automatically agree that the DNI still had something more serious than MANPADS and Strela-10, and then you decide who was to blame and who was more profitable, I only build speculation from my bell tower I can)

"Voices on the Air" can belong to anyone and can be delivered anytime and anywhere, including a Ukrainian recording studio. As for the "automatic admission" of the guilt of the DPR by the accusation of Ukraine not closing the interim government, there is no logic in this. The non-closure immediately puts the Ukrainian air defense in the first place in the list of accused, since it is precisely its existence, continuous work and focus on
“Russian aggression” is not questioned by anyone, including the Ukrainian authorities. That is, it was the Ukrainian fully operational Buks and locators that were most likely to shoot down the Boeing. In the DPR, even the presence of the "Buk" has not been proven, not to mention the proof of the efficiency of the technical unit and the combat crew. Some fakes and speculation.
So the only question is whether Ukraine intentionally shot down a Boeing in the hope of subsequent accusation of Russia by all friendly western kagal or by chance, taking it for a Putin plane or a Russian bomber ..