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As if other diseases after the arrival of coronavirus ceased to exist ...

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The front pages of the vast majority of newspapers and magazines, television news are devoted to almost the only topic - the new coronavirus. From India to France, from Poland to the United States and Canada, a pandemic is claimed that claims thousands of lives around the world. Media reports that the number of cases exceeded 1,2 million, the number of deaths is close to 70 thousand.


Against this background, statements and reports often appear that carry certain notes of strangeness. For example, issues and stories that tell about the reprofiling of various departments of clinics in one country or another of the world for infectious diseases, about transferring there doctors who, due to their specialization, were engaged in other areas of medical activity - surgery, orthopedics, etc. They tell about the suspension of admission to Dental clinics - "Reception only in emergency cases because of the danger of the spread of a new type of coronavirus."

In reports from the USA, the “freezing” van with the bodies of those who died from the coronavirus has been shown for many days, and all the other dead in the same multimillion-dollar New York, judging by the same reports, either are not buried at all, or, as usual, they just bury the media before they have nothing to do. Just think, a hundred died from a heart attack or gastrointestinal tract diseases ... if only from a virus ... then they would show and tell.

If you carefully look at the broadcast information, you get the impression that in the world all other diseases, except COVID-19, suddenly ceased to exist. As if the whole world was cured of everything and everything. It would seem that the entire medical system is now exclusively occupied with the fight against coronavirus, and heart and vascular diseases, diabetes, malaria, oncology, tuberculosis will "wait."

No less strange are the appeals from the television screen to thank the doctors for confronting the pandemic. That is, those who urge to do this, acknowledges that earlier it was impossible for them to express gratitude to the doctors, incredible ... For the fight against the same diabetes mellitus, tuberculosis, HIV-AIDS, and oncology, which doctors do without "sharp reports with places of events ”, no need to give thanks? Because many doctors, nurses, orderlies, paramedics often saved people for more than modest salaries every day until the news of the coronavirus and will do it afterwards, do you also need to thank them? So what? ..

Even in the reports, individuals suddenly saw that doctors, it turns out, can work 11-13 hours a day, have dinner in workrooms, and not enough sleep. "Well no ... It can't be like that ..."

One gets the impression that all those preparing such subjects seriously believed that this became possible only after the arrival of a new coronavirus in our sinful world. Prior to this, all doctors, without exception, allegedly worked strictly from 8 to 17 with a lunch break in a specialized dining room, and all patients were extremely ungrateful, because “thanks for what if there was no COVID-19” ... Well, not for the cure from "ordinary" pneumonia ...

What is this strange approach to people of a truly significant profession, whose work the situation depends not only on when they remember about it on the central channels ...
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  1. Old partisan
    Old partisan April 6 2020 10: 46 New
    +2
    In our country, trippers are two times more ill. And the press and the Ministry of Health don't shout something
    We have a tripper pandemic !!!
    1. rudolff
      rudolff April 6 2020 11: 17 New
      19
      Maybe because they usually don’t die from a tripper and it is transmitted in a very specific way?
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin April 6 2020 11: 38 New
        +7
        Quote: rudolff
        Maybe because they usually don’t die from a tripper and it is transmitted in a very specific way?

        I wrote a similar post yesterday
        They told me that they die from a tripper. Rather, not from himself, but from complications associated with him
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. April 6 2020 11: 50 New
          +3
          They don’t die from the coronovirus itself - they die from complications.
          1. Shahno
            Shahno April 6 2020 12: 00 New
            +9
            I’ll even say percent 40
            those who are infected will not understand that they have been ill ...
            1. rudolff
              rudolff April 6 2020 12: 04 New
              +3
              If they didn’t have any symptoms, they probably didn’t get sick, being just virus carriers.
            2. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. April 6 2020 12: 07 New
              +4
              Infected does not mean sick. If there are no symptoms of the disease, this means that a particular organism is immune to the virus. But for those around him, he is dangerous. I, by a sinful deed, once, "put down" the whole crew - I have a slight, not worthy of attention, sore throat, and the men took sick leave with a severe flu. So, if you feel unwell, wear a mask, it is more so as not to infect than not to get infected.
            3. New Year day
              New Year day April 6 2020 13: 55 New
              21
              Quote: Shahno
              I’ll even say percent 40
              infected people don’t understand

              80% are mild. The main clinical manifestations of COVID-19: ARVI, bronchitis, pneumonia.
              The remaining 15% is severe pneumonia
              5% - respiratory distress syndrome. They are usually. everyone is dying
              1. Den717
                Den717 April 6 2020 16: 45 New
                +6
                Quote: Silvestr
                The remaining 15% is severe pneumonia
                5% - respiratory distress syndrome. They are usually. everyone is dying

                That's it. At the same time, if gonorrhea is prevented and successfully treated, in unreleased forms, then today we do not even detect antibodies in COVID-19, i.e. every doctor who comes voluntarily to work with the now infected is not guaranteed in his own safety from this infection. And in this there is a little more heroism than in cases with diabetes, oncology and even HIV. So I do not share the author's doubts that there is no need to say thank you to doctors and nurses, and even to "other" personnel involved in this matter. Some drivers of sanitary transport in the hospital in our city changed their employer abruptly, having learned the possible consequences of communication with this "crown".
          2. New Year day
            New Year day April 6 2020 13: 52 New
            10
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            They don’t die from the coronovirus itself - they die from complications.

            do not write nonsense!
            This can explain everything. For example, an accident - "nonsense that they died. All the same, everyone will die"
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. April 6 2020 13: 57 New
              +3
              In what place is nonsense: if a person with a coronovirus disease does not develop a complication in the form of pneumonia, then he will almost completely survive. And if the banal seasonal flu caused a complication in the form of meningitis or myocarditis, then his life is a big question.
        2. lis-ik
          lis-ik April 6 2020 16: 17 New
          +1
          Quote: Lipchanin
          They told me that they die from a tripper. Or rather, not from itself, but from complications associated with it

          Namely, they die from complications, as in the case of the now fashionable virus.
      2. Malyuta
        Malyuta April 6 2020 12: 06 New
        31
        The destruction of health care was carried out by the hands of golikova-starling on the orders of the general manager. Any doctor and medical staff from Kaliningrad to Vladivostok knows this. If the Zaputins have any questions, they can read the decrees and orders of the president on "optimizing health care."
        According to the Ministry of Health, now in the Russian Federation there are not enough 25 thousand doctors and 50 thousand medical staff, before this, Skvortsova announced a shortage of 50 thousand doctors and 100 thousand medical staff, before which, respectively, 75 and 150 thousand.
        The adjustment took place not because doctors and nurses in the Russian Federation began to grow like mushrooms on their own, but because the top managers were frightened by the "shortage" numbers themselves and Starvortsova was "advised" not to get excited with the numbers.
        From this we can draw a simple conclusion that the leadership of the Russian Federation lied, lies and will lie, -false is the main bond.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day April 6 2020 13: 57 New
          23
          Quote: Malyuta
          The destruction of the health care was carried out by the hands of the golikovy-starling on the orders of the chief manager.

          forced to confirm this.
          Sobyanin in Moscow "optimized" 30% of infectious beds, now he is trying to compensate for this with our money in Golokhvastovo
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        1. Mebius
          Mebius April 6 2020 14: 07 New
          +1
          Quote: NEXUS
          Pay attention to the fact that China is not in this top. I agree, maybe China is hiding the numbers, but what is happening with Europe and the USA? And if all this would be somewhere in Africa, then the Europeans and the Americans didn’t lift the high all over the world.

          Claims are preparing trillions for the United States of America, Israel will have six billion, if it doesn’t come to Russia, it will also sue ..
          Gentlemen of the world, they simply controlled themselves and at first the fall in oil prices, and then this is an unusual pandemic .. And the puzzles will develop soon .. Who needed all this ... Just don’t look for them in the Forbos lists, etc. hi
      4. lis-ik
        lis-ik April 6 2020 16: 16 New
        -1
        Quote: rudolff
        Maybe because they usually don’t die from a tripper and it is transmitted in a very specific way?

        From coronavirus, as such, also do not die.
    2. The comment was deleted.
      1. Mebius
        Mebius April 6 2020 14: 15 New
        0
        Quote: Silvestr
        The Ministry of Health will recommend:

        Are you sure that you did not introduce an even more terrible disease into these gums ..? Around they are not at the cheapest price, and then they will sell the vaccine .. The business is very profitable! Then prove it ..
        In 2019, the advertisement was very aggressive of these gum .. Now something is not heard))))
    3. iouris
      iouris April 6 2020 19: 14 New
      +1
      We now have so many types of vector-borne diseases and so many carriers that it’s better to chew than speak.
  2. Gardamir
    Gardamir April 6 2020 10: 47 New
    22
    By the way, yes, a good topic.
    My wife recently got sick with a coronovirus. We are experiencing. What to do. The first day the temperature rises. On the second day there is no temperature. And then the wife remembers that because of stress. Production problems. Still closed, and so on. In short, the wife was able to eat little cake, and then she ate pork. The problems with the pancreas are longstanding. They called an ambulance, they laughed at our coronovirus. And you know how many different viruses, one flu is immeasurable.
    In short, the wife is on a diet now, she must move, and the temperature is normal. These are the pies with kittens.
    And although, it would seem, we try not to succumb to this hysteria, but some saw the loot, others lose their health.
    By the way, the closure of parks is an obvious wreck.
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey April 6 2020 10: 52 New
      20
      Quote: Gardamir
      The problems with the pancreas are longstanding.

      And here, in half, with the pancreas and the liver, and against this background, sugar jumped and didn’t jump sickly - do you die chtol? We have a coronavirus !!! Tuberculosis patients at home, a hospital in the castle .. from tube only on official more than 1,5, XNUMX million a year dies .. and with the cure are still those problems ..
    2. Cowbra
      Cowbra April 6 2020 10: 59 New
      +8
      About three days ago, they threw me here with ragged clothes when I said. that panic has always killed more people ... Here's an example ...
      1. rudolff
        rudolff April 6 2020 11: 21 New
        10
        In Italy, in a couple of months, more from the coronavirus died than the Soviet Union lost in Afghanistan during the entire war. Do you think they are panicking in vain?
        1. Alexy
          Alexy April 6 2020 11: 39 New
          14
          And where did you get the idea that they all died from the coronavirus? Where are the statistics for all the dead in Italy over this period? And for some reason she is not. Maybe I was looking badly, but could not find. The whole Internet is full of news on the crown, and other diseases (here I agree with the author) seem to have disappeared. Not a supporter of world conspiracy theories, but there are far more questions about this pandemic than answers.
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave April 6 2020 11: 51 New
            +7
            And where did you get the idea that they all died from the coronavirus?
            Voooot! The correct formulation of the question! As I understand it, if a patient is bent from pneumonia and, when an autopsy is performed, he is found to have a coronovirus, in conclusion they indicate the cause of death.
            1. Malyuta
              Malyuta April 6 2020 12: 26 New
              21
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              Voooot! The correct formulation of the question! As I understand it, if a patient is bent from pneumonia and, when an autopsy is performed, he is found to have a coronovirus, in conclusion they indicate the cause of death.

              This is not the case in the Russian Federation! Any statistics are false. For example, the management decided to fight mortality from cardiovascular diseases and achieved "significant" results in a short period of time, just doctors and pathologists were strongly advised not to make these diagnoses as the cause of death. All!!! The problem was resolved, they reported up to the top, the zomboy talked about the change.
              In exactly the same way in the Russian Federation, any "paper" result is achieved, ranging from elections to "hot meals for schoolchildren."
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave April 6 2020 12: 28 New
                0
                "Truth, somewhere nearby" (C)
              2. l7yzo
                l7yzo April 6 2020 13: 51 New
                +2
                Well, we must come from the fact that there are few tests and, accordingly, they test current in hospitals. And there someone is rightly seriously ill and critical. Here from there such a mortality. and the rest, it’s not clear how much, in a light form somewhere nearby - who is at work, who is at home - after all, they said that 80% had no signs of any kind of ailment. And a current of 5% - go to the hospital - for example, a proportion that is more or less real can be detected.
              3. astepanov
                astepanov April 6 2020 15: 08 New
                0
                Quote: Malyuta
                Any statistics are false.

                The most typical distortion. Accusing statistics of forgery is the same as accusing theft not of thieves, but of instructions for the guards.
          2. Liam
            Liam April 6 2020 11: 53 New
            +5
            Quote: Alexy
            And where did you get the idea that they all died from the coronavirus?

            In fact, there are much more deaths from the virus. In the middle, in the outbreak areas, mortality soared 4-6 times compared to 2017/2019
            Quote: Alexy
            Where are the statistics for all the dead in Italy over this period? And for some reason she is not. Maybe I was looking badly, but could not find

            Here the analysis is in Russian figures. If you speak Italian, there are direct links to the website of the Istat-Italian Institute of Statistics.
            https://aillarionov.livejournal.com/1171422.html
          3. Lannan Shi
            Lannan Shi April 6 2020 12: 50 New
            14
            Quote: Alexy
            Where are the statistics for all the dead in Italy over this period? And for some reason she is not.

            Well, why is there. In 2019, 580.000 people died in Italy. The normal mortality rate is 1580 people per day. For this year, the usual mortality somewhere around 150.000 should be. That is, it is normal mortality. We will see how the epidemic affected her in a year.
            Russia, January 2019, 164.1 thousand deaths. Or 5294 per day. So far, due to the "terrible and terrible epidemic of coronavirus," mortality has not reached 1% of the usual level per day. One percent will still work 53.
            China. something about 12 thousand died from the epidemic, against the background of the usual daily mortality of 28-29.000.
            Something like this. In the most affected country, the increase in mortality due to the crown is 10%. But then Italy, a country of pensioners who die from the crown, from the flu, from the stomach upset. In younger countries, at the usual daily mortality rate of two. And so ... Daily mortality from diabetes, all over the world, without copecks 14 thousand. Crown nervously smokes on the sidelines. Panic with a ban on sugar, chocolates and other soda is somehow not observed.
            1. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
              Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) April 6 2020 14: 34 New
              -2
              Panic with a ban on sugar, chocolates and other soda is somehow not observed.

              Do you understand what diabetes is, or do you just use your tongue to grind hotzhetsa? For type XNUMX diabetics, it’s vital that everywhere there was an opportunity to buy something sweet.
              Quote: Lannan Shi
              So far, due to the "terrible and terrible epidemic of coronavirus," mortality has not reached 1% of the usual level per day. One percent will still work 53.

              So there are sick pennies. Extrapolate up to 70% of the infected population - there will be millions of deaths per year.
              1. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
                Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) April 7 2020 08: 40 New
                +1
                I sincerely wish everyone minuscule to live with type XNUMX diabetes for at least a month.
            2. Alexy
              Alexy April 6 2020 16: 18 New
              +1
              I mean for 2020. How many die every day in general and from the crown in particular, to compare, for example, with 2019
            3. Alexy
              Alexy April 6 2020 16: 19 New
              0
              I mean for 2020. How many die every day in general and from the crown in particular, to compare, for example, with 2019
        2. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin April 6 2020 11: 42 New
          -2
          Quote: rudolff
          In Italy, in a couple of months, more from the coronavirus died than the Soviet Union lost in Afghanistan during the entire war.

          So many? belay
          Loss of personnel according to official figures. From the certificate of the Ministry of Defense of the USSR: “In total 546 people passed through Afghanistan. Losses of personnel of a limited contingent of Soviet troops in the Republic of Afghanistan from December 255, 25 to February 1979, 15. A total of 1989 people were killed, died of wounds and diseases, including 13 officers (833%). A total of 1979 14,3 people were injured, including 49 officers (985%). 7132 people became disabled. 14,3 people are wanted. ”
          1. rudolff
            rudolff April 6 2020 12: 14 New
            +2
            Checked a little less. In Italy, it exceeded 10 thousand. But they did not take into account the number of deaths in nursing homes, they were not treated there at all. They will "catch up" with our losses in Afghanistan within a week.
            1. Liam
              Liam April 6 2020 12: 21 New
              +4
              Quote: rudolff
              In Italy, exceeded 10 thousand

              Today in Italy, 15.887 coronavirus deaths
              1. rudolff
                rudolff April 6 2020 12: 50 New
                +2
                Yes, in the morning I also saw this figure on the box. Then I found in the internet 10 thousand with something. Just in case, I took the smaller one. But in any case, a figure comparable to our losses in Afghanistan.
                1. Liam
                  Liam April 6 2020 12: 57 New
                  +2
                  The mortality data for March has not yet been processed, but it is clear that not all are taken into account. There are many who died in hospices for the elderly who do not appear in the statistics because they died before they were tested. The real figure is about 20.000 and at least recession in recent days - 500 people per day continue to die. Thousands of 5/10 will probably be added
        3. Cowbra
          Cowbra April 6 2020 11: 50 New
          -3
          From influenza EVERY year die from 200 to 600 thousand. EACH. 70 from the crown - is it worse ?!
          Quote: rudolff
          Do you think they are panicking in vain?
          1. rudolff
            rudolff April 6 2020 12: 20 New
            +2
            This data is for the year and without any sanitary quarantine measures. Now imagine what figures will be for the coronavirus by year and what would happen if all these draconian measures were not taken. The crown can be compared with the Spanish woman. But not with seasonal flu, with its 0,1% mortality.
            1. Cowbra
              Cowbra April 6 2020 15: 09 New
              +1
              Mortality in coronoviruses was abruptly. Atypical pneumonia - three times mortality, quarantined, but without hysteria. Coronovirus. He stops the sanepid activities without idiocy and emergency. Now, just no one goes statistics on how much died from a panic - for example, a panic attack, heart attacks. It may well be more, even more likely.
              One plus from panic is physical education. Until 50 I reached the store for cigarettes - at first I portrayed Bubka, jumping up so that the sprinklers would not bathe, then Michael Tyson, "diving" away from the clown in the OZK with a spray, which he forgot to turn off and fell out right at me from the entrance door laughing
          2. Air force
            Air force April 6 2020 13: 33 New
            +3
            Influenza is not transmitted as aggressively as COVID (and given that asymptomatic infected COVID transmits the virus in much the same way as a person with symptoms), this is an additional danger. COVID is treated for much longer than the flu, because of this the congestion of hospitals, due to the congestion, patients who do not have COVID can die, since there are no places and specialists, for the same reason people with COVIDOM will die. And if an infected COVID appears in an ordinary hospital, it goes out of order for quarantine, consider you had a hospital in the area and bam it is not, and in another area another unbeliever came from barbecue and went to the clinic to take a sick leave because he had a cold, bam and a clinic in quarantine. And doctors of different profiles are also out of order, and after a month it turns out that there are not enough hospitals, doctors and medicines, but there are still many who say that much more are dying from the flu in the world, so the victims of COVID and related victims are added to these deaths. who were not helped in time because there were no free people. And yes, the COVID epidemic has not yet reached its peak, so it's better to talk about it in the past tense when it ends, like; "ay ay ay how much money was spent in vain, alarmists, not everything was so scary" than to rant during an epidemic, not yet a vaccine, not really drugs against COVID have been released, and people are counting how much of the flu died, but how much from COVID and that's it they persistently say that this is not worse than ARVI, doctors still do not know for sure, but ordinary people are already making a verdict, 1 million 280 thousand sick and only 265 thousand recovered, and most importantly, every 3 hours the situation changes, who said that COVID flu will not surpass the world the pandemic was announced 21 days ago, in China since February, but so China isolated 11 million tightly in Wuhan and threw a lot of resources into the fight, and there people were told to do it, people did it and now they will gradually go to work, and the world is just preparing for the peak of the epidemic because what # is more terrible or not, how do you know more terrible or not a virus appeared in 2019
            1. Cowbra
              Cowbra April 7 2020 01: 20 New
              -3
              Quote: Air Force
              rip is not transmitted as aggressively as COVID,

              Aggressive transmission is how they communicate to you by force
          3. New Year day
            New Year day April 6 2020 14: 03 New
            12
            Quote: Cowbra
            From influenza EVERY year die from 200 to 600 thousand. EACH. 70 from the crown - is it worse ?!

            nice man! Explain to me, stupid doctor, simple things:
            In influenza epidemics, only highly febrile people were put in the hospital. In the case of COVID-19, all hospitals will be reprofiled. and in Moscow there are already more than 20 hospitals and are rapidly building a special hospital in Golokhvastovo for coronaries with intensive care in 250% of beds! (half of the hospital bed capacity). There is even a CREATOR.
            Question: why? Is COVID-19 safe as flu? laughing
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave April 6 2020 14: 41 New
              +1
              Hmmm ... We are also going to build, in Pushkin. My opinion is that one more infectious diseases hospital will definitely not hurt Peter. For "Botkin barracks" are just barracks! Another thing is that "storming" in the construction of such objects is unacceptable from the word "absolutely". As a stupid builder I declare this.
              PS The "Almazovsky" center in St. Petersburg was being completed for ten years. This is taking into account the fact that the main buildings were built during the Soviet Union.
            2. Cowbra
              Cowbra April 7 2020 01: 30 New
              -2
              Quote: Silvestr
              Explain to me, stupid doctor

              Doctor of what specialty and what category are you?
              He is a doctor! Shit like Malysheva - a doctor, you haven’t even been taught first aid, GOVNYUK.
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            4. Cowbra
              Cowbra April 7 2020 01: 40 New
              -2
              Call yourself, "doctor" - how can I even understand that I am a doctor, and not a guano, posing as something incomprehensible - I will answer ?!
        4. Baloo
          Baloo April 6 2020 11: 54 New
          +4
          Quote: rudolff
          In Italy, in a couple of months, more from the coronavirus died than the Soviet Union lost in Afghanistan during the entire war. Do you think they are panicking in vain?

          Right, everything is much more serious. Measures are justified. Yes, planned hospitalization in many areas has been canceled. The ambulance is working. We have a tent in front of the entrance to the emergency room. All with signs of acute respiratory infections are examined by doctors in a tent in special overalls and respirators. Departure out of town is possible. Registration via SMS with passport data. After receiving a response SMS before the trip, you send SMS to the same number, a permission comes with the time. At the entrance, exit posts, checking documents with the driver and passengers, exit permits (certificate of employment or SMS).
          What caused bewilderment? A machine gunner in body armor, fighters of the Russian Guard are good. And why at the entrance-exit the temperature is not measured by a remote device, it's 10 seconds, no more. I think this is a flaw in the organizers. It is important not to let out and not let in with the temperature! They must be blocked at the post and sent to the infectious diseases hospital for examination .. Doctors are also not visible at the checkpoint. Hope this will be fixed.
          Colleagues, stop scoffing, take it seriously. A person can recover from this new crown, and after a short time suddenly die at home from complications against the background of imaginary well-being. The crown affects not only the lungs, take care of yourself. I will never believe that this new crown arose on its own. It doesn’t matter who the Israelis or Americans created it. By the way, those biological materials that were collected in Russia (remember the performance of GDP two years ago?) Ended up in the American biolaboratory in Georgia. Our Kazakh neighbors sheltered the American biolaboratory, which also dealt with the crown and bats. Trumpampam signed an appropriation in 2017 to develop new biological weapons based on the flu and the crown. Be careful, take care of yourself and loved ones. Most of us do not have a yacht or our island to hide from the whole world and this infection. hi
          1. rudolff
            rudolff April 6 2020 12: 28 New
            +6
            In the same place, the consequences have not yet been properly studied. I'm talking about fibrosis of lung tissue after coronavirus pneumonia. And fibrosis itself does not "dissolve".
            1. Baloo
              Baloo April 6 2020 12: 48 New
              0
              The cause of interstitial lung disease can be many diseases, including and this new crown.
              Quote: rudolff
              In the same place, the consequences have not yet been properly studied. I'm talking about fibrosis of lung tissue after coronavirus pneumonia. And fibrosis itself does not "dissolve".
          2. Malyuta
            Malyuta April 6 2020 12: 31 New
            +8
            Quote: Balu
            What caused bewilderment? A machine gunner in body armor, fighters of the Russian Guard are good.

            What good is there? It looks like an emergency, which no one has announced, although it would be necessary.
          3. Tatyana
            Tatyana April 6 2020 12: 34 New
            +4
            Quote: Balu
            Yes, planned hospitalization in many areas has been canceled.

            And imagine at the same time that if the patient had this planned operation, for example, in oncology!
            In a month, this patient may have the next degree of the disease with complications - already with metastases and the last degree of inoperability! How many people, such planned patients, in 1-2 months of such a quarantine for coronavirus, the country will lose, which could be planned to be saved?
            1. Baloo
              Baloo April 6 2020 12: 46 New
              +1
              Quote: Tatiana
              And imagine at the same time that if the patient had this planned operation, for example, in oncology!

              I don’t know about oncology.
              1. Shahno
                Shahno April 6 2020 14: 18 New
                +1
                Bvushka Sofa told me all the time, Pavlusha, you must be a surgeon.
                I did not listen ....
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave April 6 2020 16: 17 New
                  +3
                  You know, Pavel, more and more approaching a half-century jubilee, I value Jews more and more, in particular, physicians and historians
              2. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave April 6 2020 15: 24 New
                +3
                Your happiness! God forbid you will never know how "onki" die!
            2. New Year day
              New Year day April 6 2020 14: 09 New
              18
              Quote: Tatiana
              And imagine at the same time that if the patient had this planned operation, for example, in oncology!

              what to represent? I'll tell you. A man with cancer entered the removal of the stomach, is completely healthy, except for cancer. No fever, no cough! X-ray is healthy! Have a chest CT scan - pneumonia. Smears came - COVID-19. I was not abroad. His in a special hospital, me for 14 days in isolation. Smears became, took out relatives. I'm sitting with a computer in my arms now
              Quote: Tatiana
              How many people, such planned patients, in 1-2 months of such a quarantine for coronavirus, the country will lose, who could be planned to be saved?

              Planned hospitalization in Moscow is closed. My case is indicative. Totally CT can not be done by everyone, but there are no tests laughing I hope to be soon
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave April 6 2020 15: 32 New
                +1
                Reality! "Walking Woman"! "The female dog"!
        5. To be or not to be
          To be or not to be April 6 2020 12: 33 New
          +1
          Against this background, the United States again stole a humanitarian load of 20 vehicles, now Barbados.
          https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/US-Seizes-Ventilators-Destined-For-Barbados-20200405-0009.html
        6. NEXUS
          NEXUS April 6 2020 14: 03 New
          +6
          Quote: rudolff
          In Italy, in a couple of months, more from the coronavirus died than the Soviet Union lost in Afghanistan during the entire war. Do you think they are panicking in vain?

          No native is not in vain. But why this panic? Yes, because the coronovirus then got to the pampered assholes of Europeans. For some reason, no one raised a panic from the fact that people in Africa are dying of hunger and epidemics, people are quantitatively an order of magnitude greater. All was a shit.
          I said, not a panic to spread this infection, but a human IDIOT with carelessness in half.
        7. Mebius
          Mebius April 6 2020 14: 19 New
          0
          Quote: rudolff
          In Italy, in a couple of months, more from the coronavirus died than the Soviet Union lost in Afghanistan during the entire war. Do you think they are panicking in vain?

          Found something to compare ..
          I hope you wrote it without thinking .. hi
      2. Tatyana
        Tatyana April 6 2020 12: 08 New
        +2
        Quote: Cowbra
        About three days ago I was here ragged rags they threw that panic always killed more people ...
        Ha! Do not worry you like that! Happenes! laughing

        But now for one it is IMPORTANT good expression - "showered with rags with rags" - you will level these disadvantages with pluses! yes
        I almost fell off my chair from laughter, imagining how they would naturally throw you! drinks

        And from me to you for sure "+"!
        Day in the morning was a success - I love humor!
      3. Constructor68
        Constructor68 April 6 2020 13: 02 New
        -3
        About three days ago, they threw me here with ragged clothes when I said.

        They threw a little, since you still carry this snowstorm. Panic in such cases is always more useful than your stupid nonsense. Since no one has died from missing toilet paper in stores. But the slobs with your position are the main engines of the epidemic
      4. New Year day
        New Year day April 6 2020 13: 58 New
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        Quote: Cowbra
        when I say. that panic has always killed more people ...

        mechanism?
    3. Podvodnik
      Podvodnik April 6 2020 11: 22 New
      15
      Long-standing pancreatic problems


      That's right, stress! ie "neurons". Everything from them. The more we watch TV, the more we freak out in the bulk. And the screams of the "Skabeyevs" and others spur it on strongly. And they're on all the news all day long. From early morning until late at night.

      the closure of parks is an obvious wreck

      And not only parks. There is a clear contradiction of official actions and statements with logic.
      Well, they closed the parks. And "what"? Families go to barbecue. At home it means you can communicate, but in nature you cannot. Is this logical ?!
      Alleged violation of the distance inside a personal car. Ie at home you can kiss your wife, but in a car in a store, no, no. Patchport show.
      The library / reading room is not allowed. Is there always a rush of crowds? On the contrary, it was necessary to invite people there, let them read real books at home. Or is the virus transmitted through books? Is a library dangerous and a bus not dangerous? There are handrails there.
      In museums, people are also "dark" (in the "main" people more). Before the "pandemic" visited Menshikov's palace (St. Petersburg). There are very few people. There were also in the Hermitage. The halls there are huge, they didn't push their shoulders. There are clearly more visitors in transport.
      All these measures will not give anything. They are half. At least because of the subway. In Moscow, millions of passengers every day
      . If the metro is not closed, then where does the cinema, theaters, museum, and especially open-air facilities?
      The impression is that a reasonable voice is hammered somewhere. They say on the air all sorts of unsubstantiated nonsense. Only "neurons" are affected. And from them all the disease.

      So all health and do not cough.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. April 6 2020 11: 41 New
        -1
        Through the books, the virus is transmitted. But through electronic ones, no. You cannot attach a corono or a computer virus to a .fb2 or epub file. Why go to the library if any book is on the Internet?
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir April 6 2020 12: 17 New
          +7
          And you know that all the newsstands are closed. Many are used to and want an AiF or Antenna. How many small droplets that can overflow the patience.
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. April 6 2020 12: 23 New
            -4
            So there is AiF on the web. Exactly the same materials as on paper, and for free. I don’t even remember when I bought newspapers, I take only advertising and exclusively for kindling for a country house. Magazines in electronic form by subscription are also cheaper than analog ones.
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir April 6 2020 12: 30 New
              +8
              Voooot. Those who read on the Internet cannot be seen or heard, and those who want a paper version are outraged, especially many of them pensioners. Age is a habit.
              1. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. April 6 2020 12: 39 New
                -6
                Technology does not stand still, there used to be a habit of candelabra with candles. Teach your old people to use gadgets, believe me: they are not dumber than us, most likely the opposite. My mother 88, I communicate with her on Votsap, I'm afraid to drag her into her infection. I changed her interface on the tablet, increased the fonts for convenience, I already have a user with experience. If a person reads newspapers with interest, then he will also master computer technology.
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day April 6 2020 14: 15 New
                  14
                  Quote: AS Ivanov.
                  My mom 88, talking to her on Votsap

                  and my 79 and vision 30% + deforming polyarthritis request WhatsApp!
                  1. AU Ivanov.
                    AU Ivanov. April 6 2020 15: 11 New
                    -2
                    Well, she won’t be able to read paper editions either, with such eyesight, and she shouldn’t strain her eyes. As an output - audio books, or programs that convert text to speech.
          2. Constructor68
            Constructor68 April 6 2020 13: 07 New
            -5
            How many small droplets that can overflow the patience.

            A bowl of warmth of what? Another nonsense from you? So I see the uprising of the masses because of the inability to get gossip about the life of Buzova or Kirkorov fool
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir April 6 2020 13: 32 New
              10
              But without insult? I remember the times when people for sausage and jeans agreed to move from the USSR to the Russian Federation, where designers offended by life roam.
              1. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. April 6 2020 13: 50 New
                -3
                Sausage, jeans, cars are, of course, trifles, but human life is made up of these trifles. The welfare of a citizen is not measured by ideas, but by such elementary trifles. Ideally, the designer should have jeans, choose from hundreds of sausages and ride a good car. As, for example, in Germany, where the work of an engineer is highly appreciated. And here, yes: they wanted the best, but it turned out, as always. From undersocialism they stepped into non-capitalism.
        2. New Year day
          New Year day April 6 2020 14: 13 New
          14
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          Through the books, the virus is transmitted.

          any hard surface -2 days
      2. l7yzo
        l7yzo April 6 2020 14: 03 New
        +3
        And yes, from stress - the immunity is weakened very much .... yes - "Rospotrebnadzor advised to watch the news about coronavirus less"
    4. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 6 2020 11: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: Gardamir
      By the way, the closure of parks is an obvious wreck.

      And the ban at night to go out?
      A person has insomnia, went out to breathe and in a jail?
      1. Old partisan
        Old partisan April 6 2020 11: 30 New
        +8
        the normal logic of Sobyanin and others. At night, the coronavirus becomes more predatory and simply pounces on passers-by and nibbles them.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin April 6 2020 11: 45 New
          +8
          Quote: Old partisan
          At night, the coronavirus becomes more predatory and simply pounces on passers-by and nibbles them.

          And if the dog moved further than 100 meters, he will gnaw along with the dog.
    5. YOUR
      YOUR April 6 2020 11: 38 New
      +7
      At the expense of a good topic and that they are sick with other diseases. It is not clear why and why hundreds of hospitals were freed from the sick and now they are empty. The city of Blagoveshchensk, Amur region, the 1st clinical is empty. There are four patients in the region. In any case, such is the official statistics. From other areas and cities come similar news. Not that the most frightening forecast of Protsenko is expected, which he expressed to Putin about an uncontrolled epidemic in Russia.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day April 6 2020 14: 17 New
        14
        Quote: YOUR
        they are empty. The city of Blagoveshchensk, Amur region, the 1st clinical is empty. There are four patients in the region.

        no one can accurately predict the mass of the disease. America is an island in a hawk and how it picked up
    6. Snail N9
      Snail N9 April 6 2020 12: 14 New
      11
      And by the way. Take my parents — all in 80 years. They used to run pretty fast. Mother walked around a couple of hours in the afternoon and in the evening poking around in the flower garden. Father in the garage was doing different home-made things. Now, they’ve been sitting at home for two weeks now. Yesterday I called them to find out how and what, they started complaining that due to inactivity their legs began to be poorly obeyed, fatigue overcomes, depresnyak crushes. They began to think about death. Zvezdets. Well, to whom did they do well without letting the old people out onto the street, obliging them to stay at home rigidly? Yes, they will die from a sedentary lifestyle and from bad thoughts!
    7. lis-ik
      lis-ik April 6 2020 16: 26 New
      +2
      Quote: Gardamir
      The problems with the pancreas are longstanding. They called an ambulance, they laughed at our coronovirus

      After eating, especially heavy, a person’s temperature rises, this is normal, therefore it is not recommended to immediately measure the temperature, by the way noticed when I get nervous, also rises.
  3. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave April 6 2020 10: 47 New
    +5

    Even in the reports, individuals suddenly saw that doctors, it turns out, can work 11-13 hours a day, have dinner in workrooms, and not enough sleep. "Well no ... It can't be like that ..."

    It's just that these "individuals" judge the work of doctors on the TV series "Interns"
    1. New Year day
      New Year day April 6 2020 13: 48 New
      16
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      It's just that these "individuals" judge the work of doctors on the TV series "Interns"

      they judge everything by the box screen picture request
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave April 6 2020 14: 22 New
        0
        But after all, so many derive information about the outside world, especially on the periphery. Only someone turns on the brain, and someone does not. I believe that television is a piece of the state in every small human universe. Therefore, I do not have it. wink
  4. Overlock
    Overlock April 6 2020 10: 48 New
    23
    For the fight against the same diabetes mellitus, tuberculosis, HIV-AIDS, oncology, which doctors conduct without "sharp reports from the scene", you do not need to thank? Because many doctors, nurses, orderlies, paramedics often saved people for more than modest salaries every day until the news of the coronavirus and will do it afterwards, do you also need to give thanks? So what? ..

    all thanks to the media! They themselves illuminate themselves make heroes. Everyone watching

    Why be surprised? There are thousands of other specialties whose representatives work in the same difficult conditions and which they simply do not notice. And to doctors of all specialties, thank you. That's just the power remembers them when needed
    1. Podvodnik
      Podvodnik April 6 2020 11: 52 New
      10
      That's just the power remembers them when needed


      This applies not only to doctors.
      For example, they say: "We will build ... ships" URRRya! Are there any turners-welders-korpusniki? No, just a little bit left, not enough for everyone. And the "motors" will not be enough.
      "We build planes ...." URRRRA! But it was not possible to design a wing of normal weight and parameters.

      the government remembers them when it needs to


      The authorities are all right with this. At 5 a.m. they do not stand in line at the dentist’s number and they don’t know the road to our clinics.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. April 6 2020 15: 16 New
        -7
        And when we were able to observe the weight discipline of aircraft design, tell me? And when did we have sane diesel engines for civilian ships? MANs, Sulzer set.
        1. dauria
          dauria April 7 2020 02: 43 New
          +2
          And when we were able to observe the weight discipline of aircraft design, tell me?


          “The high weight efficiency of the Il-62 is also characteristic. This aircraft, with somewhat larger wing and fuselage dimensions, has a lower weight of the purely structure than the British aircraft of the same type“ Super ”VC-10, and, accordingly, a greater payload, that is, a greater weight return.

          After a thorough acquaintance with the aircraft, the chief engineer of the Lockheed firm, Robert Ormsby, held a press conference, where he said: the Il-62 is a well-crafted, practical design. This is one of the well-designed aircraft. The Russians certainly have a well-deserved pride in their plane, and it's worth it. "

          You can also look at the IL-18. The most elegant aircraft in its class.
  5. knn54
    knn54 April 6 2020 10: 50 New
    +7
    Found on the Internet, Everyone 36,6.
    "Coronavirus meets flu
    And smiling says:
    I have mastered almost the planet
    Consider a human song sung.
    ***
    I will multiply my influence,
    I’ll destroy the human race
    What the plague and AIDS failed
    SARS, cholera, swine flu.
    ***
    And the flu virus answered like this:
    I’m methyl too,
    But how many years have I beat people
    I could not achieve their deaths.
    ***
    You captured only half of Europe.
    Others hid in the trenches.
    America, take China
    Well, in Russia you will die.
    ***
    You know how they live:
    They eat garlic and drink vodka.
    In the morning there is a smell like hell.
    You want to go, I won’t go.
    ***
    While you dissolve the virus,
    You don’t scare the Russians
    Without masks go and the crowd,
    They still laugh at you.
    ***
    They’ve bought alcohol for the future,
    The whole household block was scored with food
    And the virus is waiting as God's gift
    Forgetting the work calendar.
    ***
    Coronavirus listened to the flu
    And I thought - God, how I got into it.
    In the eyes of his longing and sadness -
    Yes, I'm afraid of Russia myself "
  6. Mouse
    Mouse April 6 2020 10: 58 New
    +8
    Evil ... but to the point! The main thing is not to pick up the coronavirus ...
    And from the rest, and dying is okay ...
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 6 2020 11: 24 New
      -2
      Quote: Mouse
      The main thing is not to pick up the coronavirus ..

      Please read
      https://minskblog.livejournal.com/244146.html
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. April 6 2020 11: 36 New
      -3
      And better - pick up and get sick in a mild form or generally asymptomatic. Saying that immunity after it is quite persistent.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day April 6 2020 14: 18 New
        14
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        And better - pick up and get sick in a mild form or generally asymptomatic.

        better to be healthy
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        immunity after it is quite persistent.

        they lie
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. April 6 2020 15: 08 New
          -2
          Most virologists are inclined to the version of a more or less stable immunity. Not lifelong, as in the case of measles, but persistent and prolonged, in which re-infection does not lead to a severe course of the disease.
  7. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 April 6 2020 11: 05 New
    +6
    Have you forgotten about cancer too?
    1. Podvodnik
      Podvodnik April 6 2020 12: 16 New
      +9
      Have you forgotten about cancer too?


      How do you forget it.
      Ten years ago my father fell ill. At first, just feeling unwell. I went there, here. Analyzes such, syakie, CT. There is nothing. I walked myself while I was strong. I went to the hospital. I was lying in the district (Sormovo), at first in the corridor on the trestle bed (the entire corridor was occupied by the recumbent). Then in the ward. From diagnostic tools X-ray and ultrasound. They can't find anything. Drove me to the river station (N. Novgorod) for an MRI. There is nothing. I went to the oncological dispensary for an appointment, and the head doctor looked into my eyes and said: "I can't take your daddy. He even managed to live (born in 1932). Sorry, I have no place for YOUNG ones." I learned the diagnosis from the pathologist.
      Mother-in-law five years ago was ill. One analysis, three weeks later another. One study, another month later. When the diagnosis was made (Peter), she already walked with difficulty. The treatment did not help. In both cases, about half a year of going to classrooms / analyzes / studies, and there is no person.

      Of all those with whom I spoke directly, four died of cancer, one "heart". And no one from the flu or colds.

      All health and do not cough.
  8. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 April 6 2020 11: 08 New
    -2
    Well, the media in most cases is always situational. and trends can not miss that would not jump out of the cage. therefore they wrote and will write in the wickedness of the day. Therefore, it is always worth studying profile.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir April 6 2020 12: 59 New
      +6
      More opportunities. They wanted to promote swine flu at one time. Now with Wuhan flu succeeded.
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    1. businessv
      businessv April 6 2020 12: 01 New
      +3
      Quote: Igor Dmitriev
      After your tirades, I wanted Stalin on your govogazeta, I go only to read military articles.

      And you, Igor Dmitriev, aka Aleksey Osintsev and don’t come in anymore, there are enough people who want to throw shit on the fan without you, and you can read military articles on other sites that differ only in that you can’t leave such comments there, in the form of a bunch of crap in relation to the site, and articles, and the people who are on it. People like you remind me to the top of a filled cesspool machine with a faulty faucet, from which the contents endlessly pour! hi
  10. Sergst
    Sergst April 6 2020 11: 33 New
    0
    Quote: rudolff
    In Italy, in a couple of months, more from the coronavirus died than the Soviet Union lost in Afghanistan during the entire war. Do you think they are panicking in vain?

    In Italy, about 120 people usually die in two months. Yes, the death toll after a coronavirus in Italy, in comparison with the rest of the world, is quite significant, but it is not worth exaggerating. You always need to look at the facts, at the totality of facts, and not at their part, as journalists and politicians usually sin.
  11. Old partisan
    Old partisan April 6 2020 11: 34 New
    0
    You look at the data of the Ministry of Health, how many of us die in a country from illnesses per day in old age, not even considering the victims of accidents. And do not warm your head with coronavirus.
    1. Strashila
      Strashila April 6 2020 11: 49 New
      +1
      "in old age", in old age, no one dies, they always die of diseases.
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 April 6 2020 12: 34 New
        +1
        Quote: Strashila
        always die from disease

        long-livers die from depression.
      2. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. April 6 2020 12: 52 New
        0
        They die of old age, even as they die - no one canceled the natural wear and tear of the body.
      3. I
        I April 6 2020 12: 55 New
        -1
        "in old age", in old age, no one dies, they always die of diseases,

        Old age is one big disease
  12. I
    I April 6 2020 11: 39 New
    -1
    ,, For the fight against the same diabetes mellitus, tuberculosis, HIV-AIDS, oncology, which doctors conduct without "sharp reports from the scene", do not need to thank ?,

    Thanks, of course, are always necessary. But if diabetes were transmitted by airborne droplets, then they would not only have to be thanked, but also written down as heroes.
  13. Strashila
    Strashila April 6 2020 11: 47 New
    +2
    I think the Ministry of Health needs to print how many died from cardiovascular, oncology, and what an increase in these deaths ensured the excitement with this virus. Planned patients are simply abandoned and this is during an exacerbation.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. April 6 2020 11: 52 New
      +1
      According to Peter, the increase in heart attacks, due to stress caused by panic.
  14. businessv
    businessv April 6 2020 11: 55 New
    +5
    What is this strange approach to people of a truly significant profession, whose work the situation depends not only on when they remember about it on the central channels ...
    Thanks for the article, Alexey, we have raised an excellent topic, we need it! Our government and people of this significant profession - "doctors" (I'm not talking about all the medical staff, many thanks to the sisters, nurses and everyone else), during these 30 years of "democracy", the majority have compromised themselves to such an extent with their actions, methods and methods of withdrawal our cash (with very rare exceptions) that now only such events can restore their lost credibility! You probably have not experienced all the delights of providing medical services in our country. And thank God, let it stay that way!
  15. vnord
    vnord April 6 2020 11: 57 New
    +2
    Quote: rudolff
    In Italy, in a couple of months, more from the coronavirus died than the Soviet Union lost in Afghanistan during the entire war. Do you think they are panicking in vain?
    Look at the statistics on Italy over the past year and you will be surprised .. I somehow found statistics on mortality for the confirmed Influenza for the fall-spring 2018-2019 season. Germany -15000, USA -30000, China -80000. For the Russian Federation, a figure is given between Germany and the United States, the data is closed ... This is confirmed and how many were written off for all crap ..
    1. rudolff
      rudolff April 6 2020 12: 40 New
      +2
      I already wrote above. You give annual influenza data. Coronavirus is raging in Europe for only a couple of months. What data will be according to the results of the year? And that’s taking into account all these draconian quarantine measures. And if these measures were not taken? Seasonal flu has a mortality rate of only 0,1%. The corona is of the order of 5% with a comparable or even superior propagation speed.
  16. Shahno
    Shahno April 6 2020 12: 06 New
    +1
    Quote: rudolff
    If they didn’t have any symptoms, they probably didn’t get sick, being just virus carriers.

    Well, yes, or the symptoms were mild ...
  17. RUSmen
    RUSmen April 6 2020 12: 06 New
    +3
    Yes zadolbali with this coronovirus.
    In general, I am steaming, our sovereigns, we will close all borders. Yeah, these geeks-ezdunov on foreign countries, let's packs to import .......
    Morons, and where are these riders now?
    Now the sovereigns have dumka "what to do with the sick and ezduns" - it is necessary to deploy tent camps near the Moscow Ring Road and there all the infectious. Then cremate the tents. (It is possible with the Yezduns). The army has been full of tents since the Second World War.
  18. Operator
    Operator April 6 2020 12: 10 New
    +1
    It should be understood that a relatively small percentage of deaths from coronavirus in some countries such as China, Russia or Germany is associated with a high level of sanitary and epidemiological service and the presence in reserve of a large number of mechanical ventilation devices.

    In countries such as Italy, Spain or France with the SES liquidated "as unnecessary" and the "optimized" number of ventilators, the percentage of deaths from coronavirus goes off scale for 10%, which is much more than from influenza epidemics.

    Moreover, if these countries refused quarantine, then the total mortality of the entire population from all diseases would also have jumped compared to previous years when quarantine measures were not carried out.

    In other words, without urgent measures of a quarantine nature, the deployment of infectious departments and mass deliveries of mechanical ventilation devices from scratch in any country, up to 10% of the population, mostly older people, would have died in a few months, but this is easier for anyone.

    Britain and the United States wanted to do a similar experiment on their own population (under the slogans "accelerated development of population immunity", "human herd" and "the fittest survives"), but were forced to abandon under internal political pressure.
    1. Liam
      Liam April 6 2020 12: 17 New
      0
      Quote: Operator
      associated with a high level of sanitary and epidemiological service

      Do not anger god
      Quote: Operator
      the presence in reserve of a large number of mechanical ventilation devices

      In Italy in "peacetime" there were 5300 places (now 9000) in intensive care for 60 million of the population. In Russia -12.000 for 147 million. Moreover, in what real state they are can only be guessed. Moreover, they are distributed very unevenly. In Moscow or Leningrad- even less, in the provinces, a quiet horror
      1. Shahno
        Shahno April 6 2020 12: 23 New
        0
        The Italians have forgotten from fear that it is not necessary to hospitalize everyone, but only in a state of a certain degree of severity. So they got the nos.
        1. Liam
          Liam April 6 2020 12: 30 New
          0
          Quote: Shahno
          The Italians have forgotten from fear that it is not necessary to hospitalize everyone, but only in a state of a certain degree of severity. So they got the nos.

          Of the 90.000 sick in Italy, 60.000 are currently at home, 25.000 in hospitals and 4.000 in intensive care
        2. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 April 6 2020 12: 31 New
          0
          Quote: Shahno
          The Italians have forgotten from fear that it’s not necessary to hospitalize everyone, but only in a state of certain severity

          China sent a plane with hyperimmune serum to Italy to Italy. The Italians did not use it.
      2. Operator
        Operator April 6 2020 16: 11 New
        0
        Liam

        12 thousand places of intensive care were when - under King Peas? And now how much after two months of preparation? And how does the number of places correlate with the number of patients at the moment?

        Well, the stump is clear - all new places were presented to us by America, Europe and China laughing
        1. Liam
          Liam April 6 2020 16: 14 New
          0
          12 thousand places were a week ago
          1. Operator
            Operator April 6 2020 16: 31 New
            0
            As of April 2, 2020, in Russia there were 40000 mechanical ventilators.

            If you believe it, then the growth for the week amounted to as much as 28 thousand laughing
            1. Liam
              Liam April 6 2020 16: 39 New
              0
              Quote: Operator
              As of April 2, 2020, in Russia there were 40000 mechanical ventilators.

              If you believe it, then the growth for the week amounted to as much as 28 thousand laughing

              Do not believe me. Enough to believe the Ministry of Health.

              According to the Institute of Phthisiopulmonology and Infectious Diseases of the Ministry of Health, there are 12 resuscitation beds and 000 ventilators in intensive care units of Russian hospitals.

              The publication recalls that, on the orders of the Ministry of Health, for each intensive care unit of six beds, there should be seven stationary ventilation devices, two transport (to move patients around the hospital) and three hand-held pumps for first aid. Thus, in the Russian hospitals, according to the estimates of the "Project", there should be more than 52 ventilation devices

              1 ventilator is by no means equal to 1 place in intensive care. Even to provide a list of 12.000 places, there is a shortage of 19.000 ventilators
              1. Operator
                Operator April 6 2020 17: 21 New
                0
                For coronavirus, the option is 1 bed = 1 ventilation (especially since the devices are now mobile).

                Total today 40000 mechanical ventilation for 6343 patients with coronavirus with 406 recovered in Russia.
                1. Liam
                  Liam April 6 2020 17: 34 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Operator
                  For coronavirus, the option is 1 bed = 1 ventilation (especially since the devices are now mobile).

                  Total today 40000 mechanical ventilation for 6343 patients with coronavirus with 406 recovered in Russia.

                  You have no idea what you are writing about.

                  . Mechanical ventilation is one of the methods of resuscitation aid and works in conjunction with other complex methods. To perform mechanical ventilation, you need a huge number of different devices - oxygen sources, apparatus for cleaning the lungs and trachea, bronchoscopes to see the lungs, monitors, to monitor the patient and change the parameters of mechanical ventilation, and much more.
                  There is such a thing as resuscitation bed. This is not a bed for a patient in itself, but a large complex of stationary and mobile equipment to treat one patient

                  The 40.000 mechanical ventilation includes all children’s and incubators for newborns, masks with a small spray of oxygen for asthmatics, and the same masks for transportation in ambulances. Only all of these types of mechanical ventilation are useless in pneumonia.
    2. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 April 6 2020 12: 33 New
      -1
      Quote: Operator
      and the presence in reserve of a large number of ventilators.

      the most effective remedy for the virus is serum! The Chinese used it widely, the Italians did not!
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. April 6 2020 15: 27 New
        -1
        Immune serum is a passive vaccination with a short duration. Yes, and a side effect can cause worse than pneumonia.
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 April 6 2020 21: 18 New
          0
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          Immune serum is a passive vaccination with a short duration. Yes, and a side effect can cause worse than pneumonia.

          well yes?? wassat do not confuse passive immunity with passive vaccination, which is also called immunizing subinfection. Hyperimmune serums, or their derivatives, immunoglobulins save lives in the most severe cases of viral infections. You would have enlightened on this subject deeper, then wrote. Complications with the use of sera are possible in cases where the sera are heterogeneous, i.e. used for example from animals. Which by the way is constantly applied. But immunoglobulins derived from sera are free from this drawback.
          Passive immunity due to the use of serum saves the patient. And by the time he recovers, his own, natural, acquired, caused by a native disease is formed. The disease in such cases plays the role of vaccination.
          And the use of sera is called etiotropic therapy, that is, therapy that eliminates the cause of the disease. After all, serum antibodies neutralize virus antigens thereby killing them hi
          I envy you, you have so many discoveries ahead !!! laughing
  19. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 April 6 2020 12: 29 New
    +1
    heart and vascular diseases, diabetes, malaria, oncology, tuberculosis - "wait."

    diagnosis of the disease is carried out by the presence of antibodies in the blood. Blood is taken from all cores and, in the presence of antibodies, Coronavirus is diagnosed. Although the disease could be far in the past. Death is also attributed to him. Hence such statistics. So it was with bird flu.
  20. Dronza
    Dronza April 6 2020 12: 30 New
    +1
    Now spring has come, ticks have woken up - here's another misfortune about which they do not speak at all and do nothing. People have a bite to eat, and encephalitis is not treated (I was bitten a year ago - the doctor was so happy, the type of garbage imunoglabulin doesn’t work, and there are no drugs for encephalitis, but I was glad that 2-3 percent of those bitten with confirmation of encephalitis get sick).
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. April 6 2020 13: 37 New
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      Encephalitis is terrible not by mortality, but by disability. Get vaccinated. Early.
      1. Dronza
        Dronza April 6 2020 15: 23 New
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        This is yes, already done. But, it turned out to be many friends whose grandfather or grandmother died after being infected with encephalitis.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. April 6 2020 15: 29 New
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          In my small homeland, there are people with paralysis and impaired brain activity after encephalitis.
        2. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 April 6 2020 21: 29 New
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          Quote: DronZA
          But, it turned out to be many friends whose grandfather or grandmother died after being infected with encephalitis.

          do not worry, inherited from acquaintances, encephalitis is not transmitted
    2. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 April 6 2020 21: 28 New
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      Quote: DronZA
      Imunoglabulin type garbage does not work,

      and which globulin does not work?
  21. Roman123567
    Roman123567 April 6 2020 12: 38 New
    +7
    In our accident in the country, 1500 people die per month ..
    And here in 2 months 50 people died, and that is not known from what ..
    So what should I be more afraid of ??
    But somehow no one fears falling into the number of those who died from road accidents, and they don’t lock themselves at home .. but dozens of ghostly people scared everyone ..
    Well, they correctly noticed above .. besides road accidents there are still a lot of all kinds of diseases from which thousands and thousands die .. And it doesn’t matter to everyone .. And then they started a panic out of nothing ..
    They show through the box how the walls of the metro’s tunnels are being processed .. as if someone is walking there and licking these walls .. But the same Moscow construction sites work fine and do not close anywhere .. Just laughter ..
  22. Roman123567
    Roman123567 April 6 2020 12: 45 New
    +3
    Inadequate testing
    Stanford University Epidemiology Professor John Ioannidis calls the epidemic data "completely unreliable." “We don’t know how many times the actual statistics for patients exceeds the official - three or three hundred times,” he wrote last week. If thousands of sick people we don’t know about survive, current estimates of mortality are too high.

    Much depends on how many people had the disease without symptoms, and how large-scale testing was conducted in a particular country. So, scientists from the University of Hong Kong calculated that in Wuhan, where the pandemic began, the probable mortality rate was 1,4%, which is much lower than the previous estimate of 4,5%, calculated using official statistics of cases and deaths. In the UK, testing is only done in people with pronounced symptoms of coronavirus - and from official data it follows that the mortality rate there is 6,2% (with 19 758 identified cases and 1231 deaths). Official British data on the number of cases “are so misleading that they should not be used,” says Rosalinda Smith, professor of children's health at London University College London. The actual number of infected with coronavirus, "according to conservative estimates," is 5-10 times highershe thinks.

    Coronavirus, but not only
    Coronavirus-infected deaths are reported differently in different countries. For example, in Italy, which by a wide margin leads in the number of deaths of infected people (more than 10 per 000 cases according to March 97), COVID-19 is indicated as the cause of death, even if the patient was already sick and died of a combination of diseases. Thus, the mortality rate is more than 10%. However the immediate cause of death is coronavirus in only 12% of death certificates, said Italy's health adviser Walter Ricardi last week.

    The Government of Spain does not provide any further information on what other diseases the coronavirus deceased suffered from, and only announces statistics on deaths of people with confirmed cases of infection. The country is in second place in terms of the number of deaths from the epidemic - more than 7 people with 000 cases (85%).

    Death for other reasons
    It is unclear how many people who died with positive tests for coronavirus would have died without coronavirus. Speaking at a parliamentary hearing last week, Professor Neil Ferguson, director of the Center for Global Analysis of Infectious Diseases MRC at Imperial College London, said it was not yet clear how many “excess deaths” from coronavirus would be in the UK.


    Simply put - death statistics are overestimated by an order of magnitude ..
    For if a test shows the presence of a virus in a person who died in a garage under buckwheat buckwheat, it will be included in the same statistics ..))
  23. Million
    Million April 6 2020 12: 49 New
    +5
    This whole coronavirus situation is reminiscent of a well-staged performance
  24. Pavel57
    Pavel57 April 6 2020 13: 37 New
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    My acquaintances were ill at the beginning of the year, and it was very similar to a coronovirus.
  25. Doccor18
    Doccor18 April 6 2020 13: 57 New
    +2
    Everything passes. And this epidemic will pass. And again they will calmly forget about the doctors. The problem is not in the epidemic itself, they were and will be. The problem is the preparedness and strength of the health system. And the system rests on people. But these people are entirely enthusiasts and super patriots. Others for 25 thousand rubles. work, daily risking health, will not. That's how many of these PATRIOTS are enough?
  26. Grandfather Crimea
    Grandfather Crimea April 6 2020 14: 09 New
    +1
    All this is nonsense, the main thing is not to take to heart. Just someone wanted to fish in troubled waters. He prepared, but the rest are not interested in the problems, while there will be a chance to tighten the unwanted nuts. After this insanity, everything will immediately become clear
  27. Shahno
    Shahno April 6 2020 14: 23 New
    +1
    Quote: Mobius
    Quote: rudolff
    In Italy, in a couple of months, more from the coronavirus died than the Soviet Union lost in Afghanistan during the entire war. Do you think they are panicking in vain?

    Found something to compare ..
    I hope you wrote it without thinking .. hi

    They will panic, even more problems will be ..
  28. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
    Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) April 6 2020 14: 29 New
    0
    Quote: Alexy
    Where are the statistics for all the dead in Italy over this period?

    https://22century.ru/popular-science-publications/covid-19-italia

    Quote: Alexy
    And for some reason she is not.

    Such statistics always appear with a noticeable lag.
  29. GUSAR
    GUSAR April 6 2020 14: 33 New
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    That's for sure, thanks to the author, you can't say better! Wait 2-3 months and our "now not existing" diseases will manifest themselves in all their glory, plus booze, plus allergies. bleach and other chemicals are everywhere, and the most important thing is not to enter Yandex nerves, there is hysteria on the main, TV is not turned on - there is even more tough
  30. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar April 6 2020 14: 36 New
    +2
    In the United States and the UK, consultations of cancer patients by leading medical centers are carried out via Skype, non-urgent surgeries are postponed, chemotherapy is being switched to "sparing" oral protocols instead of intravenous ones in clinics. Radiotherapy is accelerated - more power fraction for fewer sessions. Australia, judging by the latest publications, is also taking similar measures. Israeli doctors sabotaged an order from the Ministry of Health to leave only 20% of hospital beds for ordinary patients.
  31. Kolin
    Kolin April 6 2020 15: 34 New
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    In Bergamo this year, 5 times more people died in March than last March.
  32. Maks1995
    Maks1995 April 6 2020 16: 08 New
    +1
    The eternal theme: what was said / shown there in the USA ...

    "If you take a close look at the information being broadcast ..." - someone has time to watch yus all day ...
  33. Shahno
    Shahno April 6 2020 16: 38 New
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    Quote: Operator
    As of April 2, 2020, in Russia there were 40000 mechanical ventilators.

    If you believe it, then the growth for the week amounted to as much as 28 thousand laughing

    Serious figure .... should be enough.
  34. nikvic46
    nikvic46 April 6 2020 17: 27 New
    +2
    If, after the epidemic has passed, we are not funny, then it will be very sad.
  35. nikvic46
    nikvic46 April 6 2020 17: 30 New
    +1
    Doctors do what they can. The load on them is prohibitive. After optimization and the free distribution of the necessary doctors, there is very little left.
  36. bubalik
    bubalik April 6 2020 17: 55 New
    +3
    Because many doctors, nurses, orderlies, paramedics often saved people for more than modest salaries every day until the news of


    ,, I hope that after the situation with the virus, wages will not decrease, and it is advisable to add to other health workers.
  37. Operator
    Operator April 6 2020 18: 09 New
    +1
    Quote: Liam
    The 40.000 mechanical ventilation includes all children’s and incubators for newborns, masks with a small oxygen can for asthmatics, and the same masks for transportation in ambulances

    Yes, yes, yes - I see how industry drives incubators for babies and masks for asthmatics onto the mountain (like baby boom and massive asthma started in January) laughing
  38. BAI
    BAI April 6 2020 19: 28 New
    +1
    People make money. What brings more profit is moving forward.
  39. Amper
    Amper April 6 2020 21: 18 New
    +1
    In our country, insanity is the main disease on the basis of immorality, money-grubbing, mediocrity and greed - my opinion.
  40. Oyo Sarkazmi
    Oyo Sarkazmi April 6 2020 21: 53 New
    0
    The daughter-in-law turned up her foot a week ago. I went to the village health center, (it works as usual), she was sent a direction for x-ray. She called the registry of the district clinic, and she was happy there - and we are in quarantine! With heart attacks, strokes, fractures - only after May 1!
    And I thought - in vain doctors complain about salaries. Because they pay them in vain.
  41. aglet
    aglet April 7 2020 16: 53 New
    -1
    Quote: rudolff
    This data is for the year and without any sanitary quarantine measures. Now imagine what figures will be for the coronavirus by year and what would happen if all these draconian measures were not taken. The crown can be compared with the Spanish woman. But not with seasonal flu, with its 0,1% mortality.

    Why do you think so? figures can be calculated in six months, but for now there is no reason to worry. and I don’t see draconian measures, there’s a lot of mess, yes, but no strict and necessary measures
  42. aglet
    aglet April 7 2020 17: 06 New
    0
    Quote: YOUR
    At the expense of a good topic and that they are sick with other diseases. It is unclear why and why hundreds of hospitals were freed from patients and now they are empty

    we have two hospitals in the area. one was specially prepared for the infected while they were not there. the plot was on tv. now there are infected, 2 people, and, yes, rightly, they were put in a simple hospital, which was not prepared for the infected. the plot was, according to tv.nu and what can it be called? What do we have, children who are not thoughtful in power? or simply - meaningless?
  43. Tochilka
    Tochilka April 8 2020 09: 32 New
    0
    I’ll put in my five cents. In front of me is a local city newspaper. a lot of things about the virus. from the article:
    ... the first loss (generally in Moscow). pneumonia in a 79-year-old woman was complicated: type 2 diabetes mellitus, atherosclerosis, and hypertension. During her life, she confirmed a positive result of the analysis for coronavirus. The cause of death was a detached blood clot (!!!) said the chief pathologist of Moscow Zairatyants.
  44. NF68
    NF68 April 8 2020 16: 14 New
    0
    That's for sure. Until now, in Germany, less than 2 thousand people have died from the coronovirus, and the fact that, for example, oncology in the same Germany with its not bad medicine, about 220 thousand people die every year now and no one remembers.