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It’s time to use the situation to develop our own industrial production

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The situation that humanity is experiencing today will cause global changes in many areas of human life.


Already, we can talk about global changes that await us in the coming months and years. Today I want to express my own point of view on how the concept of development of industry and the economy as a whole will change. I repeat, what I will express is my opinion. Just because according to the data that we have, the impact of coronavirus on industry cannot be estimated. It will be possible to evaluate such an impact only with obtaining specific figures for March-June.

How industrial production responds to a pandemic


Alas, we do not have official figures from Rosstat. However, there is operational data from the Institute of Problems of Natural Monopolies (IPEM), which are published in RBC. It is clear that the data will be adjusted as data is received, but the changes in numbers will not be significant.

I will quote:

“The IPEM-production index, which characterizes the state of industry in Russia, declined, according to the institute, by 1,2% by March 2019. In January – March, the decline was 0,6% compared to the same period last year. ”

Here it is necessary to clarify the fact that the decline in production occurs not only under the influence of the pandemic, but also for other, completely natural reasons. In addition, the industry has a certain margin of safety, allowing it not to fall instantly, as is the case with trade or service, but to reduce production inertia. Simply put, factories can work “from stock” and “to stock” for some time.

There is one more factor that “hides” the real figure of production decline. The government of Russia "voluntarily decided" suspended the work of a large number of enterprises. Russia has chosen the way to save human lives due to some decrease in economic indicators. At least they argue that way.

If this is true, then, in my opinion, this is a fairly heroic decision. Especially coupled with an understanding of the consequences for the country's economy of such a stoppage of industrial production. Losses must be compensated for from the state "egg capsules." This means that the government has confidence that these "pods" are quite significant.

The average daily economic activity in Russia as a whole, according to the Center for Macroeconomic Analysis and Short-Term Forecasting, fell by 16% (data as of March 30). This is the conclusion that was drawn after analyzing energy consumption to the level of a week ago.

Globalists and anti-globalists


For decades, the world has been arguing about how to live on. Some economists and politicians favor the idea of ​​universal globalization, the creation of a “universal world”, where each country would develop and produce certain goods, receiving other necessary goods from neighboring countries.

Another part advocates the preservation of national full-cycle industries as a guarantor of the country's economic security in emergency situations. True, the emphasis in their evidence on the correctness of the theory is made more by antiglobalists on agriculture. They do it deliberately, realizing that "through the stomach" comes faster.

It seems to me that globalists and anti-globalists did not even seriously consider the issue of a situation similar to today. Everyone, for some strange combination of circumstances, considered the world war in the classical sense of the world as the only possible emergency. Politicians also advocated the same point of view. This created the illusion of the omnipotence of some countries in all matters.

As the events of the recent past, and the present, have shown, countries that have retained national industry are more able to quickly respond to critical situations. Those countries that, due to various circumstances, were excluded from the world production system and were forced to independently develop entire sectors of their economy.

Russia, which came under numerous sanctions from the "democratic world", was among them. It is largely saved by the import substitution program, which appeared due to sanctions. Reduced dependence on imported components allows Russia in this regard to look better than a number of countries in terms of combating the pandemic and better than itself, for example, 2012.

What's next?


Even after the disappearance of the coronavirus, the pandemic will continue in the heads. In most countries, or even in certain regions, the population is confident that the virus was introduced to them from outside. True or fiction, it doesn’t matter to us at all. Another thing is important: the absence or transparency of borders is personally dangerous for every citizen of the country. This is in the minds of people!

This means that closed borders, economic relations, minimized, prohibitions on labor activity for foreigners and so on must remain until the danger, even if theoretically, disappears completely. Which, for well-known reasons, is simply impossible to achieve. Theoretically, nothing is safe. Remember the saying about a shooting stick.

For some time we are returning to the era of German or American cars, Japanese or Korean computers, etc. German cars I used in the sense in which it was half a century ago. A car made in Germany from German components. And not a set of parts from around the world, combined into a car under the brand name of a German concern.

This is a great opportunity for us to continue the import substitution program. The program for the revival of their own factories. This is exactly what our production workers are waiting for. They are waiting for a repeat of the situation that our peasants are experiencing. With a small (statewide, of course) help, Russian concerns will be able to enter the leading group of enterprises in the world.

A natural question arises about product sales markets. It is clear that such a huge country like Russia will produce much more goods than is necessary for its own needs. Where to export them?

Again, nothing new needs to be invented. Small states, even in conditions of closed borders and political restrictions, will seek for themselves quality products for little money. So it was already in the days of the USSR. We competed in markets with other countries. And quite often quite worthy.

Some particularly politicized readers will now talk about another whining about the collapse of the USSR. Yes, it’s not the revival of the USSR, but the place of Russia in the world economy. We talk a lot about this, but we are embarrassed to speak directly. We want to live in a country as powerful as the Soviet Union was. And today we have such an opportunity. We got a chance!

Instead of a conclusion


It is strange enough to link the coronavirus pandemic and the development of industrial production in Russia. But, as life shows, everything in this world is interconnected.

For example, I do not exclude at all that the collapse of the world economy system can lead to wars in the regions, and, possibly, world war. I do not even exclude the possibility that completely unbelievable alliances of states that today are in opposite camps may arise. The wisdom we often turn to is a “perishable commodity,” as the two world wars have shown.

Yes, we are still largely inferior to some countries of the world. But today we can influence the world economic system. We are not whipping boys today. So, it is necessary to use the situation for the development of our own industry, for its withdrawal into the leaders of world production.

Is this possible? Why not? How many countries were able to make such a breakthrough in a short time. Recall Japan, Korea, China ... Probably, it is time for us to stop thinking about our own economic revival as a pipe dream.

Have we revived the defense industry? Revived! And we continue to develop further. And what prevents us in the current conditions from reviving civilian industries? We have scientific potential. There is also an engineering building. Money for the construction of production - too. So why not start building? Why not take an economic leap? After all, this is in our stories already happened. And more than once ...
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  1. Insurgent
    Insurgent April 6 2020 08: 19 New
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    It’s time to use the situation to develop our own industrial production

    Without the new industrialization, the development of Russia is not possible, but industrialization is not possible without managers, statesmen, who first of all think about the fate of their homeland, and not about their own pockets.

    Paradox however recourse requiring a decision ... Immediate yes
    1. Caretaker
      Caretaker April 6 2020 08: 54 New
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      Quote: Insurgent
      Without the new industrialization, the development of Russia is not possible, but industrialization is not possible without managers, statesmen, who first of all think about the fate of their homeland, and not about their own pockets.

      In modern conditions, industrialization is impossible without partial nationalization. So far, even the production of masks in a sufficient amount could not be established, unfortunately. At least nothing is heard about it.
      China will supply another 80 million medical masks and 1 million protective suits to Russia in April and early May, said Deputy Head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia Alexey Gruzdev. The supply contract was concluded on Wednesday. Earlier, the head of the department Denis Manturov reported that Russia bought 37 million masks from China in a week.

      “These are monthly contracts for the supply of protective suits of the Tyvek type in the amount of 1 million 50 thousand pieces, as well as 80 million pieces of three-layer masks, from April to early May,” Mr. Gruzdev said during a meeting of the internal headquarters in the ministry (quote from TASS )
      .
      However, according to experts, the problem is in the shadow sector, which consumes up to 80–90% of all masks made in Russia and imported into the country.
      https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4314808?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fyandex.ru%2Fnews

      And we sew manually. It’s also not bad, but it's like making cartridges in a makeshift way.
      If only they bought automatic machines for production from China. It’s a shame, we can’t design the simplest devices.
      If any actions are taken in this direction, then why is there no information in the media?
      With mechanical ventilation, the situation is somewhat better, it is even possible to start exporting.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent April 6 2020 08: 59 New
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        Quote: Caretaker
        With mechanical ventilation, the situation is somewhat better, it is even possible to start exporting.

        "Demand determines supply", therefore, it is important, having the intention to increase the production of ventilators, to have time to "ride" the wave of demand ...
        1. My address
          My address April 6 2020 09: 13 New
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          hi
          Saddled up. Unfortunately, not only rejoicing for Russia, and not only Russian:
          The companies that will be helped in Russia in the crisis included: the bookmaker Fonbet, the American McDonald's and Pepsico, the German trading network Globus, the French Oshan
          Or maybe it would be better legally to cheaply outbid a foreign business?
          1. Alf
            Alf April 6 2020 13: 36 New
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            Quote: My address
            Or maybe it would be better legally to cheaply outbid a foreign business?

            Who will allow it? What ended the attempt to purchase Opel GAZ? Everything was on the ointment, but, contrary to the apologists for free business, the State intervened and Opel rushed through a continuous one from GAZ.
          2. Gene84
            Gene84 April 6 2020 14: 01 New
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            Quote: My address
            Or maybe it would be better legally to cheaply outbid a foreign business?

            Cheap does not work. The capitalists will not go for cheap sale.
            And we don’t need it.
            Instead of any Pepsik fonbets, in times of crisis, their industry needs to be maintained.
            1. Lelek
              Lelek April 6 2020 15: 04 New
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              Quote: Gene84
              Instead of any Pepsik fonbets, in times of crisis, their industry needs to be maintained.

              hi
              Yes, but not only to support, but to restore, taking into account all the advanced and, first of all, precision machine tool building and electronics. Enough to buy, under penalty of sanctions, machines, televisions, computers and smartphones (and software) over the hill. We have everything for their production, you need a desire. The Chinese wished and there they rushed.
          3. mole
            mole April 6 2020 15: 31 New
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            Nope, this is only Rosneft allowed.
            Business resell.
        2. Cowbra
          Cowbra April 6 2020 10: 52 New
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          Quote: Insurgent
          have time to "ride" the wave of demand ...

          ... it’s important to have the possibility of reprofiling later. After 2 weeks, no one will need nafig again. Already now, who could - stocked up, and the rest of the sense of concluding a contract for delivery in May? In May throughout Europe there will be a temperature at which the crown lives for 3 hours - it’s more realistic to catch syphilis (if you don’t know, it’s such a medical joke. Syphilis has such a transmission route, it doesn’t actually occur in real life.)
      2. Altona
        Altona April 6 2020 09: 31 New
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        Quote: Caretaker
        And we sew manually. It’s also not bad, but it's like making cartridges in a makeshift way.

        ----------------------
        To maintain employment in the regions, you can sew manually, it will not be much slower than the machine. Using an electric sewing machine, stitching a rectangle with ties is easy (I personally tried it myself). Another question is that in the machine a biological object is excluded as a seamstress.
        1. Caretaker
          Caretaker April 6 2020 10: 21 New
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          Quote: Altona
          To maintain employment in the regions, you can sew manually, it will not be much slower than the machine.

          The machine is hundreds of times faster, works around the clock, without interruptions and less marriage.
        2. Cowbra
          Cowbra April 6 2020 11: 04 New
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          Quote: Altona
          Another question is that in the machine a biological object is excluded as a seamstress.

          ... and the mask will still be non-sterile winked So both that and another - in a dry heat cabinet and enjoy the result.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day April 6 2020 12: 04 New
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            Quote: Cowbra
            .a mask will still be non-sterile

            she is needed in the operating room. Why on the street and in the store sterile msaka?
            1. Cowbra
              Cowbra April 6 2020 13: 31 New
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              But why the fuck then do you need a mask at all, if it itself is potentially a source of infection, it’s just not necessarily a coronovirus? It is adjacent to the mucosa - the client is ready!
      3. for
        for April 6 2020 09: 35 New
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        Quote: Caretaker
        In modern conditions, industrialization is impossible without partial nationalization.

        What nationalization, who will manage it and how.
        1. Caretaker
          Caretaker April 6 2020 10: 24 New
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          Quote: for
          What nationalization, who will manage it and how.

          External control is introduced, but who will manage is the problem.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day April 6 2020 12: 05 New
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            Quote: Caretaker
            but who will manage, this is a problem.

            the hero of the capitalist labor of Rotenbenberg was forgotten! Again, Medvedev is in the wings. laughing
            1. Caretaker
              Caretaker April 6 2020 12: 10 New
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              Quote: Silvestr
              the hero of the capitalist labor of Rotenbenberg was forgotten! Again, Medvedev is in the wings.

              I'm serious. Managers of state enterprises cannot be found; they need to be "grown" for many years.
              Although private is the same problem, some are managers.
            2. WIKI
              WIKI April 6 2020 13: 31 New
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              Quote: Silvestr
              Quote: Caretaker
              but who will manage, this is a problem.

              the hero of the capitalist labor of Rotenbenberg was forgotten! Again, Medvedev is in the wings. laughing

              I recently heard a story from a famous doctor. He was offered by people with money to open a network of clinics under his brand. He put forward a counter condition to them, which was that doctors must first be trained according to his method, and then he would select them himself. As a result, the deal did not materialize. Moral. We have a lot of honest and decent ordinary people ready to work, and few responsible, and thinking about the fate of the common man, the rich "Buratin", who know how to manage them .. With this approach, we are unlikely to revive something worthwhile.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 April 6 2020 15: 37 New
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                You certainly will not revive anything worthwhile - since you are not involved in production and development.
          2. for
            for April 6 2020 12: 18 New
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            Now I read the news on the basis of the maternity hospital did an observatory to combat coronavirus. These will be managed. An ambulance, a water canal, buses were given to private owners, they themselves cannot.
        2. Cowbra
          Cowbra April 6 2020 11: 30 New
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          Quote: for
          who will manage this and how.

          And who forgot Chubais? laughing He is more alive than all living things, and how - so the same. "Unconventional", tolerantly shorter
      4. Malyuta
        Malyuta April 6 2020 09: 38 New
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        Quote: Caretaker
        In modern conditions, industrialization is impossible without partial nationalization.

        After the departure of the current government (the present is impossible absolutely no movement), it turns out that Russia really rolled back to the beginning of the last century, respectively, we have experience in rebuilding the country. Let's start with science and education, this is the main thing! Again, you have to buy technology and specialists, send yours to training and learn from experience. The most important thing is that there is a desire to work and create, and in this sense it is necessary to educate and educate young people, in general to study, study and study and work, work and work.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 6 2020 15: 48 New
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          Do not drive nonsense - now everything is freely available, any equipment, materials, tools - anyone can compare ours and foreign, to conclude what is best for themselves. At the beginning of the last century, there was a horse-drawn drive in Russia - by the time anyone besides you will probably be rolled back, and as for science and education, they will accept training for the whole foreign experience, they will buy equipment, they will develop their own in cooperation with public funds and private .
      5. Horst78
        Horst78 April 6 2020 09: 47 New
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        Quote: Caretaker
        And we sew manually. It’s also not bad, but it's like making cartridges in a makeshift way.
        If only they bought automatic machines for production from China. It’s a shame, we can’t design the simplest devices.

        It’s strange. I have not seen a single package of Chinese masks. St. Petersburg, Ivanovo is. There are no Chinese. what
        1. NordUral
          NordUral April 6 2020 10: 05 New
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          Strange! I look - machine tools and machine tools - Russian nameplates, but made in China. Drill-driver "Caliber" is on the table, among other things - a Russian nameplate, made in China.
          5AI electric motors - the Russian nameplate, are made in China.
          I take bearings - Russian, but Chinese steel.
          And so on ...
          1. smart ass
            smart ass April 6 2020 13: 23 New
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            Oh, it’s better not to remember about the Russian power tool, it is not. Only the violet tape and leps of Kirov are left
            1. NordUral
              NordUral April 6 2020 13: 26 New
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              Only good things about the dead, and good wishes to the living!
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 April 6 2020 16: 02 New
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              Sucks you were looking for however - I counted 13 manufacturers.
              1. smart ass
                smart ass April 6 2020 16: 32 New
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                Please list
              2. NordUral
                NordUral April 6 2020 18: 29 New
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                Vadim, please provide this huge list.
          2. Alf
            Alf April 6 2020 13: 39 New
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            Quote: NordUral
            Strange! I look - machine tools and machine tools - Russian nameplates, but made in China. Drill-driver "Caliber" is on the table, among other things - a Russian nameplate, made in China.
            5AI electric motors - the Russian nameplate, are made in China.
            I take bearings - Russian, but Chinese steel.
            And so on ...

            You do not understand anything. Is there a "Made in Russia" label? There is, it means, made in Russia, and if you look at the "little things", then you are an agent of the State Department, navalnok, well, further down the list. laughing
            1. NordUral
              NordUral April 6 2020 14: 18 New
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              I confess, agent.
              1. Alf
                Alf April 6 2020 15: 37 New
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                Quote: NordUral
                I confess, agent.

                Stirlitz has never been so close to failure ... laughing
                1. NordUral
                  NordUral April 6 2020 15: 39 New
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                  People recognize only failed heroes, Vasily.
          3. Chervonny
            Chervonny April 6 2020 14: 04 New
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            Quote: NordUral
            Weird! I look - machine tools and machine tools - Russian nameplates, and made in China.

            That's how we get it interesting. Capitalist Russia cannot produce modern machine tools, but socialist China can. This is the result of 30 years of "reforming" the country's industry.
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. April 6 2020 16: 01 New
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              China has long been capitalist. Private ownership of the means of production under socialism is nonsense. We look not at the wrapper, but at the filling.
          4. Vadim237
            Vadim237 April 6 2020 16: 01 New
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            Where do you look - are you attending machine tool industry exhibitions? "I take bearings - Russian, but Chinese steel." Do you also understand steels? - Please do not whistle.
            1. NordUral
              NordUral April 6 2020 21: 51 New
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              Vadim! I won’t talk much, here’s a picture from my table. I specially shot for you this still life.


              I will explain only - round and gray - the generator for my future wind turbine in the country (in work), about 2 kW. On it, PF-207 case bearings - Chinese, single row bearing 180305 and a 3-phase rectifier - also Chinese after all. And much more. And almost everything is from there.
          5. Grits
            Grits April 11 2020 09: 21 New
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            Quote: NordUral
            Weird! I look - machine tools and machine tools - Russian nameplates, and made in China.

            Once at one agricultural exhibition in Primorye I saw a mini-tractor with the beautiful name "Ussurian". Say, made in Ussuriysk. Although in Ussuriisk they simply screwed the nameplate to a completely Chinese tractor. That's how it is with us everywhere.
        2. Caretaker
          Caretaker April 6 2020 10: 28 New
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          Quote: Horst78
          It’s strange. I have not seen a single package of Chinese masks. St. Petersburg, Ivanovo is. There are no Chinese.

          Read the full comment, preferably with a link. You will find a comprehensive answer.
        3. mole
          mole April 6 2020 15: 37 New
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          I didn’t see any masks. They simply are not. As well as disinfectants. Also, just not.
          The ventilation at our optimized "treatment points" is most likely the same.
      6. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 6 2020 12: 22 New
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        Firstly, China now needs such automatic machines themselves - and this automatic machine is clearly not the simplest device, since it has computer control in fact the conveyor machine with CNC cannot quickly be made and can not be started in a series. Secondly, Russia already had industrialization - but there was no big post-industrialization in the 50s and 60s - giving priority to the military-industrial complex, and only now we are starting to make the Western civilian products a little Mayan, and even then not in everything and the sales market in this direction is strong narrowed down.
        1. Caretaker
          Caretaker April 6 2020 13: 32 New
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          Quote: Vadim237
          ... this machine is clearly not the simplest device since it has computer control in fact the machine conveyor with CNC

          There was a report, showed not too complicated. This is not designed from scratch, but existing equipment is being finalized. No CNC required, just a typical programmable controller.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 April 6 2020 16: 14 New
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            We are talking about different production equipment - I'm talking about a production conveyor with computer control and you're talking about a makeshift machine - you won’t get much from it, but for the whole of Russia per day you need at least five masks for the whole population per day to produce under 900 million masks - this is the million cars you propose to produce. Easier to sew for ourselves.
            1. Caretaker
              Caretaker April 6 2020 16: 59 New
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              Quote: Vadim237
              I'm talking about a production conveyor with computer control and you're talking about a makeshift machine - you won’t get much from it, but a day

              Unfortunately, you do not read other people's comments
              China in this "handicraft" production just for us produced almost 37 million a week.
              "Earlier, the head of the department Denis Manturov reported that Russia bought 37 million masks from China in a week."

              Masks need to be produced in the regions, and not to drive containers for 6000 km.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 April 6 2020 20: 46 New
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                I wrote to you how many masks you need to make per day - Why did you give me this example of Chinese production 37 million a week?
        2. NordUral
          NordUral April 6 2020 14: 21 New
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          A finger must be poked at the one who laid the foundation for this business, Vadim - at the corn-picker.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 April 6 2020 16: 09 New
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            The corn picker is your brother by age - he has nothing to do with me, poke him yourself, as well as to the entire top of the Central Committee of the party.
            1. NordUral
              NordUral April 6 2020 18: 27 New
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              Yes, brother by age, I was just in elementary school with him. And I repeat - he was not a communist, 237th.
      7. Chervonny
        Chervonny April 6 2020 13: 57 New
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        Quote: Caretaker
        In modern conditions, industrialization is impossible without partial nationalization.

        Everything is correct. There is one but.
        Partial nationalization (of some industries and large enterprises) can be carried out by the bourgeois state, which usually takes this measure under the pressure of democratic forces. Such nationalization is a complex and controversial process. On the one hand, it indicates that the modern productive forces of the capitalist countries have outgrown the framework of private property, on the other hand, it is carried out under the economic and political influence of the monopolies, accompanied by high compensation payments to former owners of nationalized enterprises and the benefits provided to monopolies for using services nationalized sector. Nationalization under capitalism only changes the form of capitalist ownership: private capitalist to state-monopoly
        There is no sense in conducting partial nationalization under capitalism.
    2. smart ass
      smart ass April 6 2020 08: 57 New
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      An article stating that the author has plenty of free time in quarantine) spent 20 years in the priest, having scored exactly on the industry, and now after the virus it’s torn !!! There is simply no time for buildup!
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion April 6 2020 09: 01 New
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        Would you have gotten into the plant or looked at the industry?
        1. smart ass
          smart ass April 6 2020 09: 03 New
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          Did you miss the Solovyov program?
      2. New Year day
        New Year day April 6 2020 12: 06 New
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        Quote: Clever man
        the author has plenty of free time on quarantine

        we all now have enough time to isolate ourselves ... to think about being
        1. smart ass
          smart ass April 6 2020 13: 25 New
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          And the truth ... I didn’t think that I would miss work.
    3. EvilLion
      EvilLion April 6 2020 09: 00 New
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      It is impossible without the desire of the population to listen to the initiatives of the authorities, but you have only traitors. Well, if so, then what questions. As for the pocket, it’s precisely those who accuse the pocket in the place of their priority that they would just pocket and pull. People are judged by themselves.
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      2. NordUral
        NordUral April 6 2020 10: 06 New
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        So do not judge, EvilLion.
      3. New Year day
        New Year day April 6 2020 12: 09 New
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        Quote: EvilLion
        but you have only traitors.

        and you?


        1. NordUral
          NordUral April 6 2020 13: 33 New
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          Not so simple, everything is much simpler:
          Who owns the Pyaterochka retail chain
          Who owns the chain of stores? Who is the owner of Pyaterochka?

          The owners with a total stake of 21.2% are Alexander Girda and Andrey Rogachev (they are also founders). Another 21.9% is owned by businessman Mikhail Fridman. More than 47% is owned by CTF Holdings SA, a member of a large consortium of Alfa groups, the remaining 12% is owned by Intertrust Trustees Ltd and the board of directors of Pyaterochka.

          Could lead about the rest, but laziness. However, only groups of thieves and names will change.
      4. Alf
        Alf April 6 2020 13: 41 New
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        Quote: EvilLion
        People are judged by themselves.

        You know better...
    4. Beringovsky
      Beringovsky April 6 2020 09: 09 New
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      Quote: Insurgent
      It’s time to use the situation to develop our own industrial production
      Paradox however recourse requiring a decision ... Immediate yes

      As Putin said 20 years ago - "There is no time for buildup!" laughing
      Hooray.
      A curtain.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent April 6 2020 09: 14 New
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        Quote: Beringovsky
        As Putin said 20 years ago - "There is no time to swing!"

        Program " Time. Space. Man."... yes
    5. NordUral
      NordUral April 6 2020 09: 57 New
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      but industrialization is not possible without managers, statesmen, who first of all think about the fate of the motherland, and not about their own pockets.

      With these, we can only sigh and lament if we do not take them out of power. In two stages, if one does not work out.
      1. Everyone come to the polls and vote for single candidates (candidate) from the united patriotic opposition. And powerful control at the polling stations during the voting with video recording followed by reconciliation of turnout.
      2. If again falsification - here it is necessary to act differently. An example was in October 17th. Of course, I would like to sweep out these non-people peacefully. Let them fall on their beloved West.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent April 6 2020 10: 12 New
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        Quote: NordUral
        1. Everyone should come to the polls and vote for single candidates (candidate) from the united patriotic opposition.


        I also believe that Russia needs urgent socio-economic changes in the attitude of the government towards the people.
        But who, in your opinion, at the moment can represent "single candidates (candidate) from the united patriotic opposition"?

        Quote: NordUral
        2. If again falsification - then you have to act differently. An example was in October 17th.

        First there was the February-bourgeois, then the October Socialist ..

        And you did not forget that after the VOSR, there was also a civil war?
        The war, during which only the carelessness of ANTANTA and others allowed to save the country and create a new statehood ...

        Do you think that NATO, and others, will now miss the chance to sweep Russia away completely?

        I understand that you can sing, and there, though do not dawn ... And Russia, your mother ?
        1. NordUral
          NordUral April 6 2020 10: 33 New
          +5
          I understand that it’s possible to sing, and there, though don’t dawn ... And Russia, your mother?

          I won’t talk for a long time.
          1. The important problem is the unification of all patriotic forces. It is necessary for everyone, both the upper and the lower, to begin to act, and not just speak.
          2. Civil war in the current conditions is impossible. there will be an unconditional victory of the people. Or such an unconditional defeat of the people.
          3. My Homeland of the USSR, Greater Russia and the other I do not need. Just not the same as she is now, humiliated and robbed, controlled by a criminal group.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent April 6 2020 10: 59 New
            +1
            Quote: NordUral
            1. The important problem is the unification of all patriotic forces. It is necessary for everyone, both the upper and the lower, to begin to act, and not just speak.

            1) Again, you do not name forces that can (should) unite.

            Quote: NordUral
            2. Civil war in the current conditions is impossible. there will be an unconditional victory of the people. Or such an unconditional defeat of the people.

            2) Defeat of one side or another,as a result ? Football game?


            Quote: NordUral
            3. My homeland of the USSR, Greater Russia and the other I do not need. Just not the same as she is now, humiliated and robbed, controlled by a criminal group.

            3) Homelandwhatever it may be at the moment of history remains the only homeland.
            You need to feel it ...

            1. NordUral
              NordUral April 6 2020 11: 03 New
              +6
              I said quite clearly on all points, Insurgent. And do not pretend that you did not understand.
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent April 6 2020 11: 14 New
                +2
                Quote: NordUral
                do not pretend you did not understand.


                But how do you understand if you are only talking about ephemeral "patriotic forces" without any basis, without designating any of them?

                1. New Year day
                  New Year day April 6 2020 12: 11 New
                  11
                  Quote: Insurgent
                  Are you just talking about ephemeral "patriotic forces" without any support, without designating any of them?

                  I think. that of those who are by ear, no one! They’re down so far and will burst out of the box like a devil
                  1. Insurgent
                    Insurgent April 6 2020 12: 32 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    I think. that of those who are by ear, no one! They’re down so far and will burst out of the box like a devil

                    Change is needed yes , but "devils from the snuff box" capable of splitting the country, do not No. .

                    It would be better to elect Russia evolutionary way of development..
                    1. Alf
                      Alf April 6 2020 13: 46 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Insurgent
                      It would be better for Russia to choose the evolutionary path of development ..

                      We have been "evolving" for 30 years, but in no way ...
                2. NordUral
                  NordUral April 6 2020 13: 23 New
                  +3
                  I voted for Grudinin, as a candidate of the Communist Party, which means for her, for from the NPSR, etc. The list is large. There is only one problem - there is no unity so far.
        2. Chervonny
          Chervonny April 6 2020 14: 20 New
          14
          Quote: Insurgent
          But who, in your opinion, at the moment can represent "single candidates (candidate) from the united patriotic opposition"?

          You are now asking the question as a supporter of the current government.
          The unification of all left-wing patriotic forces is necessary. On the basis of the association, the necessary candidates will be selected. Will this answer suit you? Or is it wrong again?
          Quote: Insurgent
          I understand that it’s possible to sing, and there, though don’t dawn ... And Russia, your mother?

          If you don’t have love (in this case, for the Motherland), then at least make obeisances, at least say prayers — there will be no sense.
          Russia is our mother! Who is she for you?
      2. Alf
        Alf April 6 2020 13: 45 New
        +2
        Quote: NordUral
        And powerful control at the polling stations during the voting with video recording followed by reconciliation of turnout.

        Yeah, that was already the case in the Far East. From Moscow they said, since it’s such a thing that there are a lot of scandals, the region cannot work without a governor, therefore you will be governed by the person we will give you.
        1. NordUral
          NordUral April 7 2020 10: 26 New
          0
          It was, I do not argue, Vasily. But if you vote powerfully and with all the people all country, then the gut will be thin in these. And control on the sites!
          And yet - to force to cancel the GAS elections, otherwise she again takes us.
    6. vkfriendly
      vkfriendly April 6 2020 10: 18 New
      +3
      This is all because almost every significant production or company is all with foreign participation, and there the figures for salaries or bonuses are completely different. Or would you like to accrue salaries and bonuses from going out of citizenship to our million in rubles and their million in dollars, this will not work ?. And no one has canceled the owners of foreign and ours shares.
  2. Same lech
    Same lech April 6 2020 08: 19 New
    +7
    It’s time to use the situation to develop our own industrial production

    And commodity sales markets where to get ... thousands of plants can be set up and where to put products from these plants ... they will not let us into Europe ... to China and the USA either ... Africa remains and maybe South America what
    Our market is full of Chinese goods ... so it's not so simple.
    1. Ilya-spb
      Ilya-spb April 6 2020 08: 25 New
      +2
      Market - Russia. To begin, we will carry out import substitution.

      The CIS is 300 million people!

      And not the time! And it's high time!
      1. Same lech
        Same lech April 6 2020 08: 27 New
        +4
        The CIS is 300 million people!

        In the CIS, the Chinese have long hosted ... how to compete with them?
        1. Barmaleyka
          Barmaleyka April 6 2020 08: 32 New
          +7
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          How to compete with them?

          about 20 years, the Chinese have flooded the market of the Republic of Kazakhstan with their cheap vodka, it took ONE WEEK to remove them from the market
          1. Same lech
            Same lech April 6 2020 08: 34 New
            10
            it took ONE WEEK to remove them from the market

            An interesting story ... tell us the details of it. hi
            1. Barmaleyka
              Barmaleyka April 6 2020 08: 53 New
              +4
              held a centralized campaign on poisoning with Chinese vodka and then connected not quite legal actions and everything was under the patronage of the state, there were no more of these goods on the market
        2. Ilya-spb
          Ilya-spb April 6 2020 08: 33 New
          +2
          Price and quality!
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 April 6 2020 12: 28 New
            0
            Quality may be - but the price will be higher than 1,5-2 times.
            1. Alf
              Alf April 6 2020 13: 52 New
              +2
              Quote: Vadim237
              Quality may be - but the price will be higher than 1,5-2 times.

              I'll tell you how. I’d better pay 600 rubles for a bottle, but I’ll be guaranteed to know that I won’t get out of it than 300, but with a big question mark. And for those who whip their fafnuriki with shaking hands, it’s all the same what to eat, they will quickly die. However, there they are dear.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 April 6 2020 16: 16 New
                0
                I'm not talking about food production - but for everything else, they like to save money, they are looking for what is cheaper.
                1. Alf
                  Alf April 6 2020 16: 37 New
                  0
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  I'm not talking about food production - but for everything else, they like to save money, they are looking for what is cheaper.

                  This is common to all people around the world. Just some save from hunger, and some of the calculation. You bought the machines not from the first seller you came across, but were looking for a better offer?
        3. Insurgent
          Insurgent April 6 2020 08: 41 New
          +3
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          In the CIS, the Chinese have long hosted ... how to compete with them?




          For example, as the merchants of Shustov did, promoting their cognacs in Russia and Western Europe ...
          Cheeky, in Russian, with assertiveness, taking more than just the quality of the product.

          https://fishki.net/1682026-kak-kupcy-shustovy-reklamirovali-svoj-konjak.html
        4. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi April 6 2020 08: 51 New
          15
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          In the CIS, the Chinese have long hosted ... how to compete with them?

          The salaries of the Chinese have long been higher than ours. Fuel and energy prices are different, too. For other resources in different ways, but we do not have more, if on average. The transport shoulder from the southern industrial region to Central Asia is longer and more expensive than, say, from the Urals. All factors are not on the side of China in general then. And why Russia is losing in this dispute ... It is already necessary for our government to be interested.
          1. EvilLion
            EvilLion April 6 2020 09: 14 New
            -3
            In China, still 40% of the population in villages sits. Tell me more for their salaries. An electric kettle recently bought a Chinese one for 450 rubles. I wonder how much of this is the share of the salaries of the Chinese who produced it.
            1. vkfriendly
              vkfriendly April 6 2020 10: 26 New
              +5
              You are right for which it is not clear minus, the Chinese have good salaries only in cities and then not everywhere. And the village is 60% of the Chinese where earnings are not so big. It is from the villages that the Chinese come to us to work in the fields or as in a parquet workshop in my village in Primorye. Our 15-20 tr who pay good money for them there. Russians do not want to work there.
            2. Alf
              Alf April 6 2020 13: 54 New
              0
              Quote: EvilLion
              An electric kettle recently bought a Chinese one for 450 rubles.

              I, too, several years ago flattered about the cheapness, so it started flowing in a couple of months, but for some reason, for the third year, Bosch heats water without any problems.
              1. Avior
                Avior April 6 2020 15: 15 New
                +1
                but for some reason, for the third year, Bosch heats water without problems.

                most likely also Chinese smile
                1. Alf
                  Alf April 6 2020 15: 39 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Avior
                  but for some reason, for the third year, Bosch heats water without problems.

                  most likely also Chinese smile

                  No, I specifically looked for the proud inscription “Made in Spein” on the bottom. And the barcode of Spain matches.
                2. Siberian54
                  Siberian54 April 6 2020 15: 40 New
                  0
                  Vittek 1998 regularly boils water ... It was then expensive, as much as 180 rubles ...
          2. mikh-korsakov
            mikh-korsakov April 6 2020 09: 24 New
            +2
            I quote: "Average daily economic activity in Russia as a whole "..." fell by 16% (data as of March 30). This is exactly the conclusion that was made after analyzing energy consumption to the energy level of a week ago. ". I agree that activity has fallen, who would argue? I do not agree that the level of energy consumption is an indicator of the scale of the event. In fact, the amounts of energy for producing aluminum, oil, coal or ammonia and producing one high value-added product are incommensurable. I will explain only as an example - much less aluminum was produced, and, say, there are much more computers. And how to compare?
          3. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. April 6 2020 10: 45 New
            -1
            In China, the contrast between megacities and the hinterland is worse than ours in Russia.
        5. Alf
          Alf April 6 2020 13: 49 New
          0
          Quote: The same Lech
          The CIS is 300 million people!

          In the CIS, the Chinese have long hosted ... how to compete with them?

          Is the term `` protective duties '' familiar? How a couple of years ago a black man in America solved the problem of barring duties on our metal? Elementary, with one stroke of the pen and a duty of 200% steel.
      2. Romey
        Romey April 6 2020 08: 45 New
        10
        Yeah ... There’s no time for buildup. In general, it seems to me that until we kill our oil industry, we will not see industrialization for us ..
        1. Svarog
          Svarog April 6 2020 08: 47 New
          +9
          Quote: romey
          Yeah ... There’s no time for buildup. In general, it seems to me that until we kill our oil industry, we will not see industrialization for us ..

          Or until high-quality, competent and patriotic managers come
          1. EvilLion
            EvilLion April 6 2020 09: 12 New
            -8
            You would have studied what the literacy of managers from Stalin was. And somehow managed. In many tricky ways, up to actually parallel power in the form of the NKVD.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day April 6 2020 12: 14 New
              14
              Quote: EvilLion
              In many tricky ways, up to actually parallel power in the form of the NKVD.

              so we have parallel power in the form of security forces. You should not even bother yourself with examples of the protection of our lives by them.
          2. New Year day
            New Year day April 6 2020 12: 15 New
            11
            Quote: Svarog
            until high-quality, competent and patriotic managers come

            where do they come from? The fields are flooded with concrete. Until the injury grows. And she needed yesterday
        2. NordUral
          NordUral April 6 2020 10: 37 New
          +2
          It is not the oil industry that needs to be "killed", but ...
        3. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 6 2020 12: 32 New
          -1
          In the structure of Russia's GDP, oil and gas is 19% of GDP in the budget of 25%. It is slowly but surely moving away from the basis of Russia's economic activity.
          1. WIKI
            WIKI April 6 2020 14: 09 New
            +1
            Quote: Vadim237
            In the structure of Russia's GDP, oil and gas is 19% of GDP in the budget of 25%.

            In 2019, oil and gas revenues decreased by 12%, and their share in the budget fell from 46% to 39,3%. And they occupied 11% of GDP. https://yandex.ru/turbo?text=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.forbes.ru%2Fbiznes%2F393955-beznadezhnyy-tupik-pochemu-strana-bogateet-dohody-grazhdan-padayut
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 April 6 2020 16: 18 New
              -2
              All the same, I think that a great trend is that next year the budget can lay the cost of a barrel of 15 bucks.
              1. WIKI
                WIKI April 6 2020 20: 11 New
                0
                Perhaps if the second phase of the pension reform ends successfully.
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 April 6 2020 20: 50 New
                  -1
                  But he will not give anything - budget expenditures will not go anywhere from these retirement shifts, since pensions will have to be raised.
                  1. WIKI
                    WIKI April 6 2020 21: 53 New
                    0
                    There was roofing felts, no roofing felts. But there is such information that at a meeting in one high office, in connection with the epidemic, the phrase was pronounced: "The second stage of the pension reform is beginning."
        4. Alf
          Alf April 6 2020 13: 56 New
          +3
          Quote: romey
          Yeah ... There’s no time for buildup. In general, it seems to me that until we kill our oil industry, we will not see industrialization for us ..

          It is absolutely impossible to kill an oilwoman, but those who dispose of it and those who keep them in this work are not only necessary, but it’s time and a dozen times, to guarantee.
      3. EvilLion
        EvilLion April 6 2020 09: 16 New
        -5
        And what will you do with these millions? Is Uzbekistan a good market? Russia is a country oriented towards its own provision. Without any pipes or bricks that are produced without much noise, life will not work.
        1. NordUral
          NordUral April 6 2020 10: 38 New
          +1
          Big and Fat +, EvilLion.
        2. Siberian54
          Siberian54 April 6 2020 15: 46 New
          +1
          Chinese Experience Again: Cheap Consumer Loans to Your Population ...
      4. New Year day
        New Year day April 6 2020 12: 13 New
        16
        Quote: Ilya-spb
        Market - Russia

        but the buyer needs money. And you can't cook porridge with the "middle class" with an income of 17 thousand laughing
        Can he buy something? That's only if the loan! But debt must be paid
      5. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 6 2020 12: 27 New
        -2
        And why did you get that they will buy our goods?
    2. Phil77
      Phil77 April 6 2020 08: 26 New
      +8
      One of the main problems is the availability of skilled workers !!! We have an average age of 55-60 years in the factory. And in the RMC, pensioners are generally.
      1. Ilya-spb
        Ilya-spb April 6 2020 08: 32 New
        +6
        I agree.

        But without real production, skilled workers will simply not appear.

        Education is needed, but all practice decides.
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 April 6 2020 08: 41 New
          11
          That is, the revival of vocational schools, a decent salary and the promotion of workers!
          1. Van 16
            Van 16 April 6 2020 09: 45 New
            +6
            "Vocational school, decent wages and propaganda"
            I would add more working conditions.
            With middle age we have the same thing. No, young people sometimes come after technical schools (sorry, colleges), but the maximum for which it is enough is a month or two. Then they leave, the responsibility is big, the salary is the opposite, the work is hard, to work on the machine (even the most super-modern) requires a lot.
          2. _Sergei_
            _Sergei_ April 6 2020 10: 02 New
            +4
            I used to have 3,5 months of practice in a technical school for 9 years of study, and now only 2 weeks of locksmith practice in technical schools
        2. EvilLion
          EvilLion April 6 2020 09: 17 New
          -7
          The practice is that in factories now the problem is to find a good worker. Because no one wants to go there, all the pogromists, lawyers, and a million different useless specialties.
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. April 6 2020 10: 19 New
            -1
            I would not say that a programmer is useless. Even at the cost of the product.
            1. Alf
              Alf April 6 2020 13: 58 New
              +3
              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              I would not say that a programmer is useless. Even at the cost of the product.

              But not in such quantities.
              1. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. April 6 2020 14: 02 New
                0
                I would not say that: if programmers are in demand, then their products are in demand. Otherwise, programmers, along with lawyers and economists, would have shouted "Free Cash!" In McDuck.
                1. Alf
                  Alf April 6 2020 15: 48 New
                  0
                  Quote: AU Ivanov.
                  I would not say that: if programmers are in demand, then their products are in demand. Otherwise, programmers, along with lawyers and economists, would have shouted "Free Cash!" In McDuck.

                  On the one hand, you are right. But on the other ... The fact is that all these extra managers, lawyers, lawyers create companies like Horn and hooves that do not produce anything, only create extra slingshots, you need to attach children. On the one hand, the situation turns out to be One with a bipod, seven with a spoon, and on the other hand, if these laying companies suddenly disappear, then nothing dramatic will happen.
                  I have 3 (!) Hairdressing salons within a radius of 4 houses, to blame, "beauty salons". I walk, through the windows I can see girls sitting without work, hanging out on the net. This is a sign that, although they work, they are vitally unnecessary. One has already closed. Is this "small business" the state to save? After all, now the loudest shouting about state support is not the factories and mines, but such a riffraff.
                  1. AU Ivanov.
                    AU Ivanov. April 6 2020 16: 03 New
                    0
                    The work of programmers was created by such world giants as Apple, Microsoft, Oracle.
                    1. Alf
                      Alf April 6 2020 16: 41 New
                      0
                      Quote: AU Ivanov.
                      The work of programmers was created by such world giants as Apple, Microsoft, Oracle.

                      I agree three times.
                      But it’s one thing when the programmer, sitting in Apple, writes a program for accounting, from the bulldozer, instantaneous fuel consumption in the car and quite another when he knocks on clave in a company whose products are duplicated by two or three in the neighborhood and which works only for that to work, but not to produce.
                      1. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. April 6 2020 17: 07 New
                        -1
                        And this is on the conscience of the company that hired this miracle - a specialist. The owner of this office does not know how to count money. IT is an area in which Russia can shoot. We have plenty of bright heads, they only need conditions. Moreover, investment in them is minimal - they do not need sophisticated equipment, as in other branches of science and technology.
    3. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 6 2020 08: 27 New
      -2
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Africa remains and maybe South America

      So these markets are not a comic struggle.
      And on the other hand, with what to go? What do we produce so competitively? Yes, practically nothing.
      We can trade by and large by energy resources, weapons and agricultural products
      How sad it sounds
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion April 6 2020 09: 10 New
        -4
        Now study where household items that you use are made. The USSR was not an export country, its task was to close its market, and Russia basically retains this structure.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin April 6 2020 09: 28 New
          0
          Even the Chinese boiler
          What structure does it preserve?
          Change house almost all Chinese
          Clothing of different sizes. Food too
        2. Altona
          Altona April 6 2020 10: 08 New
          13
          Quote: EvilLion
          The USSR was not an export country; its task was to close its market

          --------------------
          The morning began on the collective farm. Apparently the manual "Only galoshes were made in the USSR" was firmly stuck in memory. The USSR exported a whole range of products. Link for example:
          https://russian7.ru/post/vse-na-yeksport-na-chem-zarabatyval-sssr/
        3. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 6 2020 12: 37 New
          -3
          Well, yes - the main task of the USSR was to provide half of the world at the expense of its production to help allies in poor countries for free and this continued with increasing decades.
          1. Alf
            Alf April 6 2020 14: 05 New
            +6
            Quote: Vadim237
            Well, yes - the main task of the USSR was to provide half of the world at the expense of its production to help allies in poor countries for free and this continued with increasing decades.

            Yes, yes, yes .. "Mozambican children are very fond of condensed milk." Just do not forget that in the same kind of Mozambique, and in Angola, and in other Negrostani, the entire periodic table lies at the depth of a bayonet and at what price, more precisely, free of charge, the USSR dug it out. By the way, Angola is also an element with atomic number 235.
            And one moment. While you use the bowels of a foreign country, your enemy cannot use the bowels of this country. You take care of yours, take away someone else's, and you even show the enemy a bent elbow. You can trimmed monkeys and feed for free, it is still profitable.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 April 6 2020 16: 30 New
              0
              The country needed a real currency - and not the enriched ore that had yet to be transported and processed in order to get these minerals from there, which essentially depreciated the cost of that material, the cost of which did not go into any comparison with the cost of aircraft machines and many other equipment that we They delivered there, all the more so all these materials were mined in large quantities in the USSR: osmium, iridium, ruthenium uranium, diamonds, gold, etc. It has now become profitable to extract and transport all this there, since the price of this raw material has soared several times and continues to grow.
    4. Barmaleyka
      Barmaleyka April 6 2020 08: 31 New
      +9
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      we will not be allowed into Europe

      we have our own market, today we buy everything from underpants to calculators
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      1. for
        for April 6 2020 09: 44 New
        0
        Quote: Svarog
        It will be of high quality and not expensive, marketing is not a problem ..

        The problem is inexpensive.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. April 6 2020 10: 24 New
          -2
          The problem is quality.
          1. Alf
            Alf April 6 2020 14: 10 New
            +1
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            The problem is inexpensive.

            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            The problem is quality.

            I do not see a discrepancy. In the 90s, everyone knew that Chinese clothes were junk with different sleeves. But! They took it because it’s cheap.
            And an expensive, but high-quality product will also find its buyer, you just need not to worry about advertising. For some reason, in Russia now they buy jeans and a half thousand and 6-8 tons.
            Now you can buy a furniture wall from Ulyanovsk for 20 thousand, or you can buy for 90-100, both of which are sold, which means that there is a buyer for this and that.
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. April 6 2020 14: 46 New
              0
              I’ll tell you a little secret: one of my friends produces furniture under the guise of Italian. Buy. The quality is not worse. We simply have been discredited by domestic brands for a long time by their quality, so we prefer a foreign label. Although I had the displeasure to have a laptop made with us, at the end of the zero this was done from imported components. Build quality is disgusting, despite the advanced stuffing. I got rid of this misunderstanding as soon as possible.
              1. Alf
                Alf April 6 2020 15: 54 New
                0
                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                I’ll tell you a little secret: one of my friends produces furniture under the guise of Italian.

                Last year, I myself replaced all the furniture in the kitchen, everything was made to order, and it was excellent.
                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                We simply have been discredited by domestic brands for a long time by their quality, so we prefer a foreign label.

                Once, in the nineties, I saw on TV how the Director of Horizon said, yes, our TVs are inferior to Japanese-Korean, and I am ready to improve the quality, but in order to improve it, I need its sales. And how can I sell my Horizon if Sony-Panasonic-Goldstars import with a zero rate?
                And every zombie introduced into Russia is a nail in the coffin of our electronic industry.
    6. EvilLion
      EvilLion April 6 2020 09: 03 New
      -5
      The plant is needed in order for workers to pay, and to sell products, it’s you who leave your capitalist habits. Look what you thought up.
    7. Altona
      Altona April 6 2020 09: 33 New
      +8
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      And markets for goods where to get ... you can set up thousands of factories and where to put products from these factories ...

      ----------------------
      To begin with, limit the WTO rules and close the domestic market for those goods that we can make ourselves. Is this not why we "change" the Constitution? To remove international restrictions, or still, to put the "eternally young" zero on the throne?
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 6 2020 12: 43 New
        0
        Some of these foreign manufacturers already have their own production inside Russia to take the same production of LG and Samsung TVs near Kaluga and they send it not only to the domestic market, but also for export. And the market for foreign offices and their imported products can be said to have covered with the collapse of the ruble. Now their products in Russia are decently more expensive than the domestic ones.
        1. Alf
          Alf April 6 2020 14: 13 New
          +2
          Quote: Vadim237
          And the market for foreign offices and their imported products can be said to have covered with the collapse of the ruble. Now their products in Russia are decently more expensive than the domestic ones.

          Yeah, you first find the Horizon and Screen TVs on sale. Having come to us, foreign concerns first of all killed our production of the same goods, and then you can dictate any conditions you like, they’ll buy it anyway, there’s no other.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 April 6 2020 16: 34 New
            0
            They will just buy what foreign plants produce in Russia, and, accordingly, import producers will substitute for domestic producers.
    8. NordUral
      NordUral April 6 2020 10: 12 New
      +7
      Our market is full of Chinese goods ... so it's not so simple.

      Put barriers, starting with a large mesh, gradually reducing it, gently.
      In accordance with the demand for the product and its release. And so in everything.
      Unfortunately, we (and maybe fortunately) need to produce everything in our country, such is our fate.
      Be either a leader. Or not to be at all.
      1. Romey
        Romey April 6 2020 12: 39 New
        +4
        The system should be built for production in this way: if you want to earn money and pay less taxes - maximum localization and skilled jobs.
        1. NordUral
          NordUral April 6 2020 13: 13 New
          +1
          The system should be built for production in this way: if you want to earn money and pay less taxes - maximum localization and skilled jobs.


          Are you from your own experience?
          1. Romey
            Romey April 6 2020 14: 12 New
            +2
            No. I am not an economist, but an officer. But logic suggests exactly that. And I had, first of all, those areas of the economy where we traditionally limp and cannot do without foreign technologies. As for any domestic production, it should in any case be encouraged and kissed. Without protectionism in the modern world simply can not survive, unless of course we want to achieve something.
            1. NordUral
              NordUral April 6 2020 14: 24 New
              +1
              Dmitry! What you said relates to socialist production, and not to what we have in our yard. And as for the kissed production workers, we don’t have such kissers, from the word at all!
              Without protectionism in the modern world simply can not survive, unless of course we want to achieve something.
              Holy words.!
              1. Romey
                Romey April 6 2020 15: 19 New
                -1
                You, a colleague, will be greatly surprised, but for political and philosophical views, I am right. I'm just a patriot of my country, which is much more than its current stub. smile
                1. NordUral
                  NordUral April 6 2020 15: 33 New
                  +1
                  So I am not a communist, but, like you, a patriot of that country that we temporarily lost. True, with some alterations, given the experience of the years that have passed since its destruction.
        2. depressant
          depressant April 6 2020 14: 10 New
          +4
          This is what was demanded from Simmens. And what do you think? Simmens refused to cooperate with Power Machines. And what were the grandiose prospects for turbines - an unlimited, boundless Russian market!
          1. Romey
            Romey April 6 2020 15: 23 New
            -1
            The experience of China suggests what needs to be done in such cases. It would be a desire. But he is not, for there is oil, gas, and population.
    9. smart ass
      smart ass April 6 2020 13: 31 New
      +5
      A small correction needs markets with solvent! by the population! And not the middle class with an income of 17 tyr
  3. EvilLion
    EvilLion April 6 2020 08: 23 New
    -16
    As there Navalny recently put forward a megaplan:
    1) Stop the epidemic.
    2) Defeat the coronavirus.

    So the essence of the article is about the same. It is always the case with the "experts", the authorities do nothing, and they do not speak of the news about each new workshop, of which there are thousands every day throughout the country. So they are not there, from the sofa in Moscow they are not visible.
    1. Overlock
      Overlock April 6 2020 09: 28 New
      19
      Quote: EvilLion
      As there Navalny recently put forward a megaplan:
      1) Stop the epidemic.
      2) Defeat the coronavirus.

      so Putin is also fulfilling this plan, recently instructed the governors
      1. Alf
        Alf April 6 2020 14: 16 New
        +4
        Quote: Overlock
        Quote: EvilLion
        As there Navalny recently put forward a megaplan:
        1) Stop the epidemic.
        2) Defeat the coronavirus.

        so Putin is also fulfilling this plan, recently instructed the governors

        Two governors turned out to be smarter, they jumped off to retirement, because they realized that they (not them specifically) would be appointed by some as scapegoats in the sense of "boyars."
    2. Altona
      Altona April 6 2020 09: 35 New
      +9
      Quote: EvilLion
      It is always like this with "experts", the authorities do nothing,

      ---------------------------
      And what does the government do so well? Is it annoying to lose a sawing-off state with pension and tax reforms?
  4. depressant
    depressant April 6 2020 08: 26 New
    19
    Twenty years ago it was time! In the fat years, when there was 100 oil, it was necessary not to bankrupt the leading Soviet enterprises, but to purchase advanced Western technologies and upgrade plants. But, apparently, the condition for Putin’s admission to governing the country was a coffin. And now - the Ambassador of sanctions, they will not sell anything. And science centers are almost ruined. Lost jerking skills.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog April 6 2020 08: 51 New
      14
      Quote: depressant
      . And now - the Ambassador of sanctions, they will not sell anything. And science centers are almost ruined. Lost jerking skills.

      All right. To engage in production, we need an integrated approach and a number of measures that cannot be done overnight .. This government, headed by the president, is not oriented towards the development of industry. And they won’t master it. Here you need to take drastic measures, dismiss worthless ministers, in general, ask tough subordinates, but who will do this, around nepotism and friends.
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion April 6 2020 09: 08 New
        -7
        I wonder when the same SSJ and MS-21 were introduced, is this an integrated approach? Oh yes, you will begin to whine that this is import. Or maybe the 2009rd tire plant built here in 3 to the 2 already existing ones, what is this approach? You were not yet in the world, and the authorities have already dealt with these problems.
        1. Altona
          Altona April 6 2020 09: 37 New
          +8
          Quote: EvilLion
          I wonder when the same SSJ and MS-21 were introduced, is this an integrated approach?

          -------------------------
          This is a purely lobbying project, which killed three more Soviet projects of local airline liners.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 April 6 2020 13: 00 New
            0
            Only these three Soviet projects - with outdated avionics, high fuel consumption and problems with certification for flights abroad due to outdated engines.
            1. Alf
              Alf April 6 2020 14: 18 New
              +1
              Quote: Vadim237
              Only these three Soviet projects - with outdated avionics, high fuel consumption and problems with certification for flights abroad due to outdated engines.

              Can they fly domestically? They can. But where will the Superjet fly? Ilya. Do you think that they will let him go there?
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 April 6 2020 16: 37 New
                0
                Superjet has been certified for a long time - it can fly everywhere and flies.
                1. Alf
                  Alf April 6 2020 19: 34 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  Superjet has been certified for a long time - it can fly everywhere and flies.

                  Can. If they buy. How many countries are using it now?
            2. Siberian54
              Siberian54 April 6 2020 15: 57 New
              0
              turboprops by definition cannot have a large fuel consumption, avionics changes by a factor of two three,
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 April 6 2020 20: 53 New
                +1
                It has no, but not a lot of drawbacks - one of them is low traction with large dimensions and high noise.
            3. Altona
              Altona April 6 2020 20: 20 New
              +1
              Quote: Vadim237
              Only these three Soviet projects - with outdated avionics, high fuel consumption and problems with certification for flights abroad due to outdated engines.

              ---------------------
              Hello nafig ... We're talking about local airlines, where even the well-worn "maize" An-2 is still in demand and has already been restyled with an American engine. Yak-42 and Tu-334 were not obsolete aircraft. The avionics and engines you mentioned are also not Newton binomial, they can be easily removed and replaced with P&W and any others. Soviet aircraft were super reliable. Probably not in vain the presidential squadron is still using Il-96, Tu-204. After all, long ago it was possible to transfer to Airbus-320 or Boeing-747?
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 April 6 2020 21: 03 New
                +1
                Instead of An 2, it is much better to create a high-speed passenger and cargo helicopter - a minimum of costs for airfields. Tu 334 - engines Ukrainian aircraft after 2014 would have ordered a long life as ordered by the production of An 148 and An 124 in Russia. But with the 42nd Yak, maybe it will come out like he was tested with a new composite wing. Tu 204 - as a civilian was late as well as IL 96 too late - the era of four engine aircraft even went through the production of the Airbus A 380 and the Boeing 747 are being turned off.
        2. smart ass
          smart ass April 6 2020 13: 33 New
          +2
          How much profit and what is the profitability of this company? tell us
      2. NordUral
        NordUral April 6 2020 10: 15 New
        +5
        These have an alternative orientation, moreover, natural, incurable. Only surgery or a decisive therapeutic intervention will save them.
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion April 6 2020 09: 06 New
      -6
      This is exactly what they did, but they did not report to you. About leading enterprises is ridiculous. Which ones? It was not ZIL for an hour that did not produce anything intelligible since its development was transferred to KAMAZ, but it stood in the center of the metropolis, which in itself was delusional. Industrial zones should be out of town. Or maybe the Izhevsk plant, which made motorcycles that were taken only because there weren’t enough cars, and now they don’t even take imported cars.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog April 6 2020 09: 20 New
        13
        Quote: EvilLion
        Or maybe the Izhevsk factory, which made motorcycles that were taken only because there weren’t enough cars,

        I read you and marvel ..
        "Motorcycles were taken because the car was not enough" - that's logic .. wassat Motorcycles were very popular in the villages and naturally cheaper .. for this reason they were bought. And now the village is dying out, young people are moving into the city and, thanks to the fact that there are loans, they buy cars ..
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. April 6 2020 10: 34 New
          -1
          Motorcycles were taken because many could not afford cars; in the USSR, car prices were artificially high. Therefore, the surrogate of the car is a motorcycle with a sidecar, not from a good life. And remember which motorcycle was the dream of every kid. There is not IL or Sunrise (brrr), but Czech Java or ChZ. There really weren’t enough cars, they had to stand in line for them, and the motorcycle came and bought. The ideal option is when a person has both a car and a motorcycle - a different technique for different tasks.
          1. Alf
            Alf April 6 2020 14: 21 New
            +2
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            in the USSR, auto prices were artificially high.

            And therefore, in the car markets they were paid 1,5-2 prices? Then the prices were underestimated. Now, for some reason, in the car market it would not occur to anyone to tear two prices for viburnum or Vesta.
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. April 6 2020 14: 57 New
              +1
              Lada sold in the USSR, almost 4 times higher than the cost, it cost 1,5 thousand rubles in production, and sold for more than 6, no capitalist dreamed of this, in terms of ripping off. Why did they pay one and a half or two face values ​​at car markets? His Majesty's comprehensive deficit. It was just impossible to go to a salon and choose a car in the Soviet Union: in the queue, you children, in turn. And now the offer exceeds demand and it would never occur to anyone to sell a car above face value if it can be freely bought in any salon. No lines and cards.
              1. Alf
                Alf April 6 2020 16: 01 New
                0
                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                It was just impossible to go to a salon and choose a car in the Soviet Union: in the queue, you children, in turn.

                Remember the post-war years when Moskvich, Pobeda, ZIM were sold freely in stores. The point was that their price corresponded to market value, and in the era of the beetle no one monitored price compliance. And the queue is a sign of a mismatch between the selling and market prices.
                1. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. April 6 2020 16: 13 New
                  0
                  I did not live in those days, I came to the world under Khrushchev. But then: what was, it was. And then they write that the villagers preferred a motorcycle to a car. Yeah, a motorcycle in bad weather or in winter - that’s it.
                2. Altona
                  Altona April 6 2020 20: 30 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Alf
                  The point was that their price corresponded to market value, and in the era of the beetle no one monitored price compliance.

                  ----------------------
                  Our petty bourgeois do not know that Hitler generally warmed his burghers with a Volkswagen Beetle like Prokhorov with a Yo-mobile. Announced a subscription. Honest burghers bought stamps and pasted them into a special book, which, when filled out, guaranteed receiving a car. All these stamps were bought, the plant was built and kübelwagens were riveted on it, that is, a Beetle with a square military body for the military. And the burghers were left with a nose. And the Beetle himself became a "people's car" after the Second World War.
                  1. Alf
                    Alf April 6 2020 22: 29 New
                    0
                    Quote: Altona
                    Our bourgeois

                    In fact, by the term "beetle" I meant "dear Nikita Sergeich", so that he could roll over in the next world, and not at all a masterpiece of Ferdinand Porsche.
              2. Altona
                Altona April 6 2020 20: 23 New
                +3
                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                Lada sold in the USSR, almost 4 times higher than the cost, it cost 1,5 thousand rubles in production, and sold for more than 6, no capitalist dreamed of this, in terms of ripping off.

                ------------------------
                The emphasis was on public transport. For luxury goods, for personal transport, for imported analogues of technology, they took cool excise taxes and fees.
      2. Altona
        Altona April 6 2020 10: 16 New
        12
        Quote: EvilLion
        It was not ZIL for an hour that did not produce anything intelligible since its development was transferred to KAMAZ, but it stood in the center of the metropolis, which in itself was delusional.

        ------------------------
        Did you know that Moscow in the 1930s was very different from today's Moscow. I lived in the 1980s near the Sokol station, but during the years of industrialization it was a village built in the 1920s. Therefore, it is not surprising that many factories were already inside megalopolises, which were actively developed by the Soviet government, creating an infrastructure from residential neighborhoods and the social and cultural life attached to them. The same is true for Nizhny Novgorod, where GAZ found itself inside the city. The same is true for Chelyabinsk, where ChTZ is inside the city. Etc.
        As for the ZIL-130 itself (you are throwing a stone into its garden), according to the transport specifics, heavy loads were assigned to the railway communication, and inside the city it was proposed to use cars with a lifting capacity of up to 5 tons, though life began to make adjustments, since the use of " the main "car still turned out to be costly and commercial transport was still born in the form of UAZs, RAFs and pickup versions of passenger cars, as well as heavy freight transport was in demand. By the way, the roads were designed for the ZIL-130, which are now easily killed by trucks.
    3. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn April 6 2020 09: 31 New
      +5
      They haven’t sold anything modern and serious since the Soviet era, and they don’t sell anything. There is such an office, the Bureau of Industry and Security (BIS), an agency of the US Department of Commerce. Activities include regulating the export of dual-use goods and technologies, enforcing export control laws, monitoring the viability of the US military-industrial base, and establishing links between the public and private sectors to protect the country's infrastructure. And sanctions have nothing to do with it.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral April 6 2020 10: 17 New
        +5
        And sanctions have nothing to do with it.

        So everything described by you is permanent sanctions.
      2. Alf
        Alf April 6 2020 14: 22 New
        +2
        Quote: nov_tech.vrn
        They haven’t sold anything modern and serious since the Soviet era, and they don’t sell anything. There is such an office, the Bureau of Industry and Security (BIS), an agency of the US Department of Commerce.

        Yes, and the Jackson-Vanik amendment has not yet been canceled.
    4. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. April 6 2020 10: 26 New
      -1
      Not 20 years ago, but 40, like China.
    5. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 6 2020 12: 57 New
      -1
      In your parallel universe, Russia during the 2000s did not have any other expenses and the army did not have to recover a whole mountain of debts for the USSR and all the 90s that the IMF was gaining did not have to be given and the gold reserves did not have to be filled together with the stabilization fund and in the infrastructure throughout the country did not need to pour money in, and what kind of "Leading Soviet Enterprises" were they in the 2000s - for an hour the wrong ones were ruined, half-wrecked, the wear and tear of fixed assets exceeded 70% or more, for which all products were outdated physically and morally at the beginning 80s - who would buy this stuff from you in 2000s?
  5. populist
    populist April 6 2020 08: 32 New
    +7
    And what prevents us in the current conditions from reviving civilian industries? We have scientific potential. There is also an engineering building. Money for the construction of production - too. So why not start building? Why not take an economic leap?

    “We have the means. We're not smart enough. ” Cat Matroskin.

    Given the current socio-economic formation in Russia, it is impossible to build a normal financing mechanism.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech April 6 2020 08: 37 New
      +5
      Given the current socio-economic formation in Russia, it is impossible to build a normal financing mechanism.

      There are two clans in capitalism ... industrialists and financiers ... now financiers dominate in Russia ... smile in order for the production workers to come to the fore, certain conditions and needs of society and the state are needed ... while I think they have not yet matured.
      1. populist
        populist April 6 2020 08: 56 New
        +7
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        in order for the production workers to come to the fore, certain conditions and needs of society and the state are needed ... while I think they have not yet matured.

        Our society is almost completely crushed. And the state is owned by financiers. In such a situation, conditions for manufacturers will never be created.
        In Russia, after all, it’s not capitalism, but ersatz-capitalism. negative Or rather, ugly capitalism. belay
        With such a device, effective development is impossible. No. This is what the last 20 years have shown.
      2. Overlock
        Overlock April 6 2020 09: 30 New
        19
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        There are two clans in capitalism ... industrialists and financiers ... now financiers dominate in Russia ...

        and in all clans - persons temporarily residing in the territory of the Russian Federation
    2. Altona
      Altona April 6 2020 09: 39 New
      +8
      Quote: populist
      Given the current socio-economic formation in Russia, it is impossible to build a normal financing mechanism.

      ----------------------------
      If you do not control power, then nothing is possible at all.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. April 6 2020 13: 03 New
        +1
        To control power, you need a civil society. Otherwise, not the best, but the smartest ones will come to power again and again.
    3. Alf
      Alf April 6 2020 14: 24 New
      +4
      Quote: populist
      Given the current socio-economic formation in Russia, it is impossible to build a normal financing mechanism.

      All economic forms of interaction, such as banking, trading, consulting, franchising in Russia do not work, in Russia there is only one form of communication-rolling.
      In the second option, whistling and svaling.
  6. parusnik
    parusnik April 6 2020 08: 37 New
    12
    We got a chance!
    .... Z0 years ago, it turns out there was no chance? ... Now has just appeared ..?
    [b
    ] For example, I do not exclude at all that the collapse of the world economy system can lead to wars in the regions, and, possibly, world war.
    [/bapter...World players have already agreed not to use nuclear weapons in the event of a global conflict?
    Again, nothing new needs to be invented. Small states, even in conditions of closed borders and political restrictions, will seek for themselves quality products for little money.
    .... In order for the products to be cheap, for this it is necessary that the energy price is low and low wages, the second is not difficult, but what about the first? Because, whatever the price of oil was, the price of gasoline in Russia is not falling, rising ...
    1. Svarog
      Svarog April 6 2020 08: 54 New
      14
      Quote: parusnik
      .... In order for the products to be cheap, for this it is necessary that the price of energy is low

      I agree. It is very important to have cheap energy prices, for this it is necessary to nationalize the oil and gas, energy sectors .. otherwise the bourgeoisie will not give shareholders .. and the final product will not be competitive .. and we have one of the cheapest labor in the world .. at least least in China, the salary is already significantly higher .. even since 2014 ..
      1. parusnik
        parusnik April 6 2020 09: 03 New
        10
        for this it is necessary to nationalize the oil and gas, energy sectors
        ... From whom to take away ... All around laughing Hodor, dropped out of the row, was taken from him .. At the same time, they didn’t do his job with the state-owned company, they handed over his assets .. Speaking of Hodor, he’s now in the West, like a joker in his sleeve ... He’ll be pulled out when needed ..
        1. Svarog
          Svarog April 6 2020 09: 04 New
          10
          Quote: parusnik
          ..Who to take away ... Around their

          That is the problem hi
          1. NordUral
            NordUral April 6 2020 10: 19 New
            +6
            How's anyone? There are strangers to them - this is us!
          2. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid April 6 2020 10: 45 New
            +3
            Quote: Svarog
            Quote: parusnik
            ..Who to take away ... Around their
            That is the problem hi
            What is the problem? bully its much less than strangers, The main work of the mechanisms of taking away a large number of strangers do not stop
        2. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid April 6 2020 10: 38 New
          +5
          Quote: parusnik
          ..Who to take away ... Around their laughing .......
          such even thoughts do not ---- take away from their own. It’s just that the Soviet legacy has been consumed for 30 years. And that’s it.
          Without any further development.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day April 6 2020 12: 35 New
            17
            Quote: Reptiloid
            It’s just that the Soviet legacy has been consumed for 30 years. And that’s it.

            this heritage is being eaten up and the Communists are to blame for everything - they left little to the heirs laughing request
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid April 6 2020 12: 47 New
              +4
              This is understandable, do not thank the communists for speaking? And with them and the whole USSR and Joseph Vissarionovich. That would not say thank you, but good to live at the expense of the loot ---- lies and slander
              Quote: Silvestr
              Quote: Reptiloid
              It’s just that the Soviet legacy has been consumed for 30 years. And that’s it.

              this heritage is being eaten up and the Communists are to blame for everything - they left little to the heirs laughing request
  7. tatra
    tatra April 6 2020 08: 50 New
    +6
    All this is nonsense. All 100 years after the October Revolution, two radically different people live in the USSR, Soviet and anti-Soviet, and how the Soviet people after the capture of the country proved that they want and are able to engage in large-scale development of the country, to earn money for the country and people, and anti-Soviet people after the capture of the country proved that he wants and is able to engage in large-scale sacking of the country, speculation, export of natural resources and raw materials from the country in huge quantities. That is why, and with every comparison of the Soviet and anti-Soviet people, none of the anti-Soviet people is able to protect each other, and all of them selflessly rush to anger against the Soviet people.
    1. depressant
      depressant April 6 2020 09: 52 New
      +7
      Tatra, complement.
      They reproach us Soviet people for not defending the USSR. So, we did not defend the USSR because no one helped us Soviet, and the entire capitalist world helped us topple us anti-Soviet.
      1. tatra
        tatra April 6 2020 10: 06 New
        +7
        And one more cardinal difference. If the Soviet people have always been a frank and obvious opponent of the existing power and system in the Russian Empire, and have captured the country openly, and have always been proud and proud of the October Revolution, then the anti-Soviet people always pretend to be those who are profitable at the moment, and captured the country meanly, deceitfully, for years, decades, pretending to be the Soviet people, and after capturing the country for 30 years, cowardly dumps the responsibility on the Soviet people for their counter-revolution in Perestroika.
      2. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid April 6 2020 10: 55 New
        +4
        Good morning, Lyudmila hi I wrote before and I repeat, the Soviet people are not to blame for anything. There can be no reproaches. Only conclusions from the past. Hang a complex of guilt and repentance, so that there would be no strength for recovery.
        The USSR is the first experience of a new society. But how many years and territories are capitalism?
        Quote: depressant
        Tatra, complement.
        They reproach us Soviet people for not defending the USSR. So, we did not defend the USSR because no one helped us Soviet, and the entire capitalist world helped us topple us anti-Soviet.
        1. depressant
          depressant April 6 2020 13: 25 New
          +6
          Good afternoon, Dima! hi
          And how diligently destroyed everything connected with the USSR! Every now and then I find on the Internet videos with abandoned buildings of factories, military units, cemeteries of military vehicles, endless tunnels, radar installations, the type of which can not even be determined, huge strange structures of unknown purpose, whether military or scientific - everything is rusted, overgrown shrubs and trees. A huge, abandoned country, going into oblivion, colossal economic losses. Diggers near Moscow found 250 tunnels with electric lighting and a supply of water and air - everything is suitable for use under infectious hospitals, but everything is like sand through your fingers. All broke, regardless of material losses. If only nothing reminded the USSR.
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid April 6 2020 14: 13 New
            +4
            Yes, Lyudmila, love Sometimes I also look with sadness on the net at the abandoned houses of St. Petersburg, where I live, as well as at the abandoned small towns and villages of the North and Far East. Just to tears. If you drive along some embankments you can sometimes see brick burgundy buildings of factories. And before there were many such pre-revolutionary buildings, buildings were built next to them under socialism ..... There were large factories, there were factories where new equipment was brought literally before the destruction of the USSR .... Of course, many now say --- everything factories brought to Siberia and work there .... it's complacency
            1. Siberian54
              Siberian54 April 6 2020 16: 08 New
              +3
              Gee! Gee! Gee !! brought-brewing from Czechoslovakia, so they didn’t let them build when they were tagged, and then the stainless steel flew into the scrap metal ..
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid April 6 2020 16: 37 New
                +2
                It is still so hard for many to recall the events that happened with the production facilities about 30 years ago, which makes it painful for people to speak.
                Evil negative It must be pulled out to a lighted place and prepared and disassembled into parts. am am Maybe then it will become easier for many and it will become clear what to do next.
      3. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. April 6 2020 17: 32 New
        0
        Where did the CMEA countries go? Socialist at that time, China? Why didn’t they want to help?
        Everything is much simpler - socialism, in the form in which it then existed, turned out to be, alas, unviable and, as a result, useless. Even to those whom you now call "Soviet"
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid April 6 2020 20: 19 New
          +1
          ...... where did you go ......
          they didn’t go anywhere. Unfortunately, the relationship structure was built so that the older brother grew up, dated the younger brothers, developed their self-identity .... but to cultivate respect with them, gratitude to himself was not intended.
  8. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy April 6 2020 08: 51 New
    -3
    A crisis is always an opportunity. The question is how to use it. Now much gives confidence that they are using it for the benefit of the state.
    1. Caretaker
      Caretaker April 6 2020 09: 38 New
      +3
      Quote: ButchCassidy
      A crisis is always an opportunity. The question is how to use it. Now gives a lot confidencethat use it for the good of the state.

      There is hope, but there is no reason for confidence yet.
      1. Butchcassidy
        Butchcassidy April 6 2020 11: 10 New
        -1
        There is hope, but there is no reason for confidence yet.

        This is because you do not know anything about the country. When was it that the ministers worked around the clock, and from the decision to implementation it took less than a day?
        1. Caretaker
          Caretaker April 6 2020 12: 14 New
          +4
          Quote: ButchCassidy
          This is because you do not know anything about the country.

          Perhaps we live in different countries? I am in Russia.
          1. Butchcassidy
            Butchcassidy April 6 2020 12: 53 New
            -1
            Perhaps we live in different countries? I am in Russia.

            And I'm in Russia. Or rather in Moscow. And I traveled a lot around the country for work

            We will always have problems and difficulties on the ground. But denying success and a positive trend is also stupid.
        2. Siberian54
          Siberian54 April 6 2020 16: 12 New
          +2
          In the USSR .... For example, for cholera, measures were taken within two hours after receiving information and more than one carrier of the virus did not manage to get out of the focus of infection ...
          1. Butchcassidy
            Butchcassidy April 6 2020 17: 40 New
            -1
            Quote: Siberian54
            In the USSR .... For example, for cholera, measures were taken within two hours after receiving information and more than one carrier of the virus did not manage to get out of the focus of infection ...

            And why make meaningless comparisons with the country that rested in Bose in 1991? Since then, a lot of water has flowed. We need to look at how things are happening now in Russia. And since the days of the USSR, a lot of things have changed, including the speed and geography of the mobility of citizens and cargo.
            1. Siberian54
              Siberian54 April 10 2020 12: 19 New
              0
              I understand does not roll, contrary to the "scoop" goes .. But this is my lost country, and in this I could adapt and these from the Kremlin to me "ALIEN".
    2. NordUral
      NordUral April 6 2020 10: 20 New
      +4
      And these are the states of the USA and China!
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid April 6 2020 12: 52 New
        +4
        Quote: NordUral
        And these are the states of the USA and China!

        China destroyed the pandemic at home, and began to help others and economically oriented, after the damage
    3. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid April 6 2020 12: 56 New
      +4
      I well remember 98 and 99 years that was what was said. That's people! They were given opportunities, but they did not take advantage!
      Quote: ButchCassidy
      A crisis is always an opportunity. The question is how to use it. Now much gives confidence that they are using it for the benefit of the state.
    4. Alf
      Alf April 6 2020 14: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: ButchCassidy
      State.

      Which one?
  9. Cartalon
    Cartalon April 6 2020 08: 54 New
    +5
    For whom are these calls to begin, this same leap written? And it’s very persistent, right now it’s necessary now once a month. The country's leadership is completely satisfied with the situation in the economy, a change of power by force is not possible in Russia, and for the revolution it is necessary to at least lose the war.
  10. Fanur Galiev
    Fanur Galiev April 6 2020 09: 01 New
    +8
    1. Stop using the revenues of the oil and gas sector to replenish the pockets of the oligarchy, investing in a currency or a pill, which quickly disappears in the event of any crisis.
    2. To direct the revenues of the oil and gas sector to industrialization. Sitting and watching, saying that there are no markets is stupid. Sales will be as soon as something to sell. Anyway. Provide a domestic market.
    3. Grassroots self-organization is necessary in order to control the expenditure of funds for industrialization. Because even by channeling funds for industrialization and others like them, with the current managers, all we will get is another copy of the Vostochny cosmodrome - that is, countless lawsuits about the missing or "utilized" funds.
    PS I didn’t come up with it myself ....
    1. depressant
      depressant April 6 2020 10: 01 New
      +6
      So after all, they pompously announced that now capital withdrawn abroad will be taxed with a 15% tax. They said and looked around smugly: what are we, eh? Well, not well done? But everyone understands: having closed the hole with a frail shutter, they probably left another wide passage in the legislative wall for the drain of capital. The rich are not enemies to themselves, and the legislators are generously lobbying.
      1. Fanur Galiev
        Fanur Galiev April 6 2020 10: 16 New
        +5
        It seems to me that it's time to be surprised, to somehow emotionally perceive the actions of the current authorities, although I perfectly understand that sometimes it is simply impossible. Especially for those who were driven into a hopeless situation. They, in the sense of the authorities, in the vast majority of cases, do not care about Russia, the people, the infrastructure (for the most part), and so on. All they have is a pipe. A pipe that provides them with the necessary level of profit (the level of which, depending on oil prices, can be regulated by collapsing the ruble, for example). And while there is this pipe, and there are those people who are engaged in its maintenance, everything in general will remain so.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day April 6 2020 12: 39 New
          12
          Quote: Fanur Galiev
          All they have is a pipe. A pipe that provides them with the necessary level of profit

          and it looks like this pipe was blocked
          1. iouris
            iouris April 6 2020 16: 39 New
            0
            This pipe can still be sold for scrap. Worse if the "red button" is disabled.
      2. Siberian54
        Siberian54 April 6 2020 16: 14 New
        -1
        raven crow unless the eye pecks ????
    2. NordUral
      NordUral April 6 2020 10: 25 New
      -1
      It reminds me of something. And I realized - Stalinist socialism.
    3. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. April 6 2020 12: 12 New
      -1
      Grassroots self-organization is not the third, it is the first and most important thing, without which everything else is impossible. For now, we deserve the government that we have now.
    4. NordUral
      NordUral April 6 2020 13: 10 New
      +5
      1. Stop using the revenues of the oil and gas sector to replenish the pockets of the oligarchy, investing in a currency or a pill, which quickly disappears in the event of any crisis.
      Bed bugs cannot but drink blood.
  11. knn54
    knn54 April 6 2020 09: 03 New
    +8
    Strategic enterprises, energy should be in the hands of the state. It was proved by the First World War. When the German plant managers simply sabotaged, and the Russians raised the prices of cartridges and shells several times.
    And everything has been said about the internal market of the CIS for a long time. The PRC is already sending outrage about the "unnecessary" measures taken by the Russian side.
    "There would be no happiness, but misfortune helped."
  12. Goto
    Goto April 6 2020 09: 08 New
    +4
    Quote: Caretaker
    Quote: Insurgent
    Without the new industrialization, the development of Russia is not possible, but industrialization is not possible without managers, statesmen, who first of all think about the fate of their homeland, and not about their own pockets.

    In modern conditions, industrialization is impossible without partial nationalization. So far, even the production of masks in a sufficient amount could not be established, unfortunately. At least nothing is heard about it.
    China will supply another 80 million medical masks and 1 million protective suits to Russia in April and early May, said Deputy Head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia Alexey Gruzdev. The supply contract was concluded on Wednesday. Earlier, the head of the department Denis Manturov reported that Russia bought 37 million masks from China in a week.

    “These are monthly contracts for the supply of protective suits of the Tyvek type in the amount of 1 million 50 thousand pieces, as well as 80 million pieces of three-layer masks, from April to early May,” Mr. Gruzdev said during a meeting of the internal headquarters in the ministry (quote from TASS )
    .
    However, according to experts, the problem is in the shadow sector, which consumes up to 80–90% of all masks made in Russia and imported into the country.
    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4314808?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fyandex.ru%2Fnews

    And we sew manually. It’s also not bad, but it's like making cartridges in a makeshift way.
    If only they bought automatic machines for production from China. It’s a shame, we can’t design the simplest devices.
    If any actions are taken in this direction, then why is there no information in the media?
    With mechanical ventilation, the situation is somewhat better, it is even possible to start exporting.

    The drawing can be drawn, but here's what to produce this is the problem! We do not have any machine tool construction.
    1. Caretaker
      Caretaker April 6 2020 09: 46 New
      +2
      Quote: Goto
      The drawing can be drawn, but here's what to produce this is the problem! We do not have any machine tool construction.

      There was a report that showed Chinese equipment for the production of masks. Blinded practically on the knee. It is quite affordable for a small firm or a medium-sized department. Further, licensing will be required, because sterile masks cannot be made in unsanitary conditions and the problem of domestic materials will certainly arise.
    2. depressant
      depressant April 6 2020 10: 09 New
      +9
      I saw these machines for the production of masks. Two paired occupy only part of the living room in Khrushchev. Any man of arms can collect this. Yes, who will give! And where to get the details? In China, any detail - to your taste, a powerful industry produces them. Our industry was ruined before the demolition of buildings.
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 6 2020 13: 09 New
      -7
      Yes, it’s absent - that there are 50 machine-tool factories in Russia and two dozen other foreign machine-tool manufactures, and there is a production of our own industrial printers in St. Petersburg, but for you the main thing is to write all kinds of garbage.
      1. Caretaker
        Caretaker April 6 2020 14: 06 New
        +4
        Quote: Vadim237
        Yes, it’s absent - that in Russia 50 machine-tool plants are operating

        What tool machine tool factories and design bureaus in St. Petersburg do you know?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 6 2020 17: 05 New
          -1
          "Laser Systems" developers and manufacturer of industrial 3D printers "Tekhnomash", "PKF Kristall", "NTC Leninets", "NPO Experimental Mechanical Engineering", "Machine Tool Plant TBS", "LZSA", "Precision Machine Tool Building Plant ZPS", "Kirov Stankomash" and two more manufacturers of laser and plasma cutting machines. "Balt System" is a developer and manufacturer of NC consoles for drive programs, etc.
          1. Caretaker
            Caretaker April 6 2020 17: 45 New
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            "Laser Systems" developers and manufacturer of industrial 3D printers "Tekhnomash", "PKF Kristall", "NTC Leninets", "NPO Experimental Mechanical Engineering", "Machine Tool Plant TBS", "LZSA", "Precision Machine Tool Building Plant ZPS", "Kirov Stankomash" and two more manufacturers of laser and plasma cutting machines. "Balt System" is a developer and manufacturer of NC consoles for drive programs, etc.

            I went to the sites of some of the listed enterprises. These are miserable leftovers; most do not produce but sell or serve.
            Have you been to the Kirov factory? On the Strike or Volkhonka? Have you ever been anywhere?
            List of destroyed the largest and most high-tech enterprises
            https://topwar.ru/30555-spisok-unichtozhennyh-naibolee-krupnyh-i-vysokotehnologichnyh-predpriyatiy.html

            Since then, little has changed.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 April 6 2020 21: 10 New
              0
              Everyone is busy with their own business - someone is repairing, someone is engaged in production according to orders - how much they buy and order as much and produce - they could produce and repair much more, but there are no orders for such volumes.
    4. Alf
      Alf April 6 2020 14: 32 New
      +3
      Quote: Goto
      Machine tool construction is absent here.

      Why is it missing? Very present. We interrupt nameplates on machines and proudly sculpt-Made in Russia.
  13. Amateur
    Amateur April 6 2020 09: 11 New
    +5
    And what prevents us in the current conditions from reviving civilian industries?

    When the Central Bank of Russia will belong to Russia and stimulate Russian industry, then the development of domestic industry will begin. In the meantime, due to the mythical threat of the coronovirus, virtually all production in the country was stopped and small and medium-sized businesses were ruined, nothing will happen.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day April 6 2020 12: 59 New
      11
      Quote: Amateur
      due to the mythical threat of the coronovirus

      I wouldn’t say that! There is a threat. But prevention is ours.
      Quote: Amateur
      .. actually stopped everyone

      Everything could be foreseen at first — tourists, illness, and upon returning home — testing and isolation.
      Charite Clinic in Berlin in January 2020 years began to use testing in real time, they identified infected and they do not have such a deep quarantine, and even more so the shutdown of enterprises.
      In January, there were already tests, and in April we are only going to conduct general testing. January and April! How much sick during this time. How much the virus has spread!
      There is an official request: try to leave less unnecessarily. BUT this is exactly a request, not an order, and no one will be fined. Authorities introduced quarantine even when the number of infected was less than 1000 people. First locally, in the region where the outbreak was. Then all over Germany.
      How about us? Compare quarantine in Moscow and Krasnodar! Wildness in the ratio of sick and dead. So the whole trouble is, with this quarantine, that the authorities know in what state the medicine optimized by them and what it is capable of
  14. The comment was deleted.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent April 6 2020 09: 21 New
      +2
      Quote: PariV
      The author is right, there are lots of criticisms but little in alternative suggestion except: it is not possible! Wake up Russia You can do it. After all you have revived your defense industries in the face of mighty opposition.

      Beautiful, foreign tourist yes ... But be kind, use auto-translation ...
    2. depressant
      depressant April 6 2020 10: 10 New
      +2
      And here we will figure it out, dear foreigner, we ask outsiders to not interfere. You have once intervened, enough, ate too much.
      1. Caretaker
        Caretaker April 6 2020 15: 22 New
        +1
        Quote: depressant
        And here we will figure it out, dear foreigner, we ask outsiders to not interfere. You have once intervened, enough, ate too much.

        Well, you attacked a person?
        Yandex translator
        The author is right, there are many criticisms, but few in the alternative sentence, except: this is impossible! Wake up, Russia, you can do it. After all, you revived your defense industry in the face of powerful opposition
  15. Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal April 6 2020 09: 15 New
    +2
    First you need to close the borders with a lock (both for migration and for goods, and most importantly money). Close does not mean self-isolation. To revive the industry - you can revive it either for the money of the state, or for the money of the oligarchs (joint public-private partnership in Russia today is a benefit only for private traders). We have our own market, which we can mostly use to improve the living standards of the population, but we do not have a political force that would want this. Well, one should not discount foreign investors, who not only receive profit from their investments, but "run" all branches of domestic production, except perhaps the military-industrial complex. So while the current government is in place, industrialization will not take place. This government has no desire to change what on its own, without pressure from outside (sanctions).
  16. nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn April 6 2020 09: 20 New
    +3
    It is high time to develop our own industry, especially full-cycle production, especially high-tech ones, but our economic gurus are all from the breed, as globalists say here.
    For example, the rector of the Higher School of Economics Yaroslav Kuzminov and his wife Elvira Nabiullina, a companion of Yevgeny Yasin in the preparation of radical economic reforms, in the early 90s, which destroyed enterprises inherited from the USSR, as you know "you cannot wash a black dog white", you can continue to the end of the list of the economic block ...
  17. Overlock
    Overlock April 6 2020 09: 25 New
    15
    Have we revived the defense industry? Revived! And we continue to develop further. And what prevents us in the current conditions from reviving civilian industries?

    ... lack of money. It is difficult to count on loans, the price of oil and gas has fallen. There is only one population left. Stalin solved the problem through domestic loan bonds, then the people believed him. Is there such a thing now?
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. April 6 2020 10: 39 New
      -5
      And everyone happily rushed to buy bonds of the internal 3% loan, yeah. The bonds were distributed "voluntarily and compulsorily." And who will not take - we will turn off the gas. "
      1. New Year day
        New Year day April 6 2020 13: 09 New
        11
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        And everyone happily rushed to buy bonds of the domestic 3% loan, yeah

        but I bought it! And my relative, a pilot, also bought it. I managed to return the grandmother, and he is still waiting for the weather by the sea
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. April 6 2020 13: 16 New
          -2
          My grandmother had these bonds in a pack in the closet. The state has never paid back. And the people naively believed.
          1. Polente the Wanderer
            Polente the Wanderer April 6 2020 14: 02 New
            +2
            Bonds of an internal loan were then exchanged somewhere it seems in the 70s. It is naturally not equivalent that earlier from the salaries they were forced to sign subscriptions but still exchanged. Another thing is that no one believed that there would be an exchange and not all bonds were preserved
          2. Alf
            Alf April 6 2020 14: 40 New
            0
            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            My grandmother had these bonds in a pack in the closet. The state has never paid back. And the people naively believed.

            The bonds of 51-52 years the state closed in 1983 absolutely honestly, but later ones .. the state has become different.
        2. Polente the Wanderer
          Polente the Wanderer April 6 2020 14: 07 New
          0
          Bought bonds 82 years? Or the restoration of the national economy of 40 years?
          1. Alf
            Alf April 6 2020 16: 05 New
            +1
            Quote: Wanderer Polente
            Bought bonds 82 years? Or the restoration of the national economy of 40 years?

            My grandfather, working at the factory, brought these bonds in 51-52 with a maturity of 30 years. In 81-82 in the newspapers were tables of which years when they were closing, and in the 83rd grandfather passed them, everything was honestly paid. THAT the state, for the most part, didn’t deceive its citizens.
      2. Alf
        Alf April 6 2020 14: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        The bonds were distributed "voluntarily and compulsorily.

        Yes, that's just people knew what these loans were going for. Africa 20 billion forgive? No problem. Debts on housing and communal services to Russians? The way and do not dream.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. April 6 2020 14: 49 New
          0
          They went, these loans, to help everyone. Which had to forgive debts, due to their insolvency. One dam in Aswan was worth it.
    2. Alf
      Alf April 6 2020 14: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: Overlock
      Stalin solved the problem through domestic loan bonds, then the people believed him. Is there such a thing now?

      There are bonds, no trust.
  18. Million
    Million April 6 2020 09: 28 New
    10
    It’s time, but no one. The authorities are happy with the trade in hydrocarbons. And there is a lot of trouble with industry, they have no time
  19. for
    for April 6 2020 09: 49 New
    +2
    It’s time to use the situation to develop our own industrial production

    And without tragedy, this cannot be done.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. April 6 2020 13: 30 New
      -1
      No way. Russian folk proverb:
      Until the thunder strikes, the man will not cross himself.
      1. iouris
        iouris April 6 2020 16: 37 New
        0
        A man forgot how to be baptized.
  20. Campanella
    Campanella April 6 2020 09: 59 New
    +6
    A very optimistic article ending. About everything that we have.
    The defense industry works through the stump of the deck, the engineering school has lost continuity in most cases. A science school is generally in the pen and there is no system. Money may be there, but again, what can it be enough for?
    The main thing that we do not have is an understanding of how to pull out this whole complex of problems in the global economy and market.
    National projects are popular for the people who don’t give anything much, and it’s not clear how these projects will fit together. Like everything will resolve itself?
    1. depressant
      depressant April 6 2020 15: 08 New
      +6
      On the attitude to the scientific school of our authorities, I can judge at least by this fact.
      Acting Director of the Institute for Theoretical and Experimental Physics. AI Alikhanov was appointed Igor Bozhkov - a regular policeman, dismissed from the Ministry of Internal Affairs in connection with the well-known "coffee business" (return of a batch of coffee seized by law for a bribe). A security officer can be a deputy director in a regime institute - to monitor compliance with the secrecy regime. But the first deputy, that is, in science, and even more so the director cannot be. The appointment is associated with the interests of Putin's friend Mikhail Kovalchuk.
      This is directly anecdotal:
      - Wow, how much the conductor gets! I'll go work as a conductor ...
      These people did not have anything sacred. Show foreheads - baptized.
      That's how science and engineering schools die.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. April 6 2020 15: 46 New
        -2
        That's right - they appointed a person with connections, who opens the door in the power corridors with his foot. And, thanks to these connections, he can achieve various useful goodies for the Institute. How many professors can boast of?
        1. Alf
          Alf April 6 2020 22: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          How many professors can boast of?

          It remains only for the professors to explain what is needed.
  21. Shadow041
    Shadow041 April 6 2020 10: 08 New
    +3
    It is high time to revive domestic industry. This is a national security issue.
  22. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx April 6 2020 10: 57 New
    +8
    It’s time to use the situation to develop our own industrial production

    Another slogan. Own industrial production under the capitalist system? laughing And where will the products of this production be called for so that the capitalist invests “money” there?
    Excuse me, but when we see the face and the whole head of the porter of the Kiev station above the chair of the Prime Minister, something prevents us from believing in his “compromising evidence” ...
    Indeed, it is impossible to create an industry a priori from the personal experience of a tax inspector or director of a furniture warehouse. And changing modern industrial products to palm oil, while forgiving debts to no one knows and keeping their own production at increased interest on loans, is not the right step.
    Can you recall the Russian cities in which the volume of industrial production has grown since 1991? Can you name a Russian industrial enterprise, created from scratch, providing products to the country at least a quarter?
    And the last:
    Have we revived the defense industry? Revived! And we continue to develop further. And what prevents us in the current conditions from reviving civilian industries? We have scientific potential. There is also an engineering building. Money for the construction of production - too. So why not start building? Why not take an economic leap?

    You do not throw us slogans about the revival of the defense industry. There are separate areas where production shows certain successes. But in general, what can be called the "turtle pace" of production by revival? Are you out of your mind? Are you going to make an economic leap? Where to? Then one pinned everything with the “Far Eastern hectare”. Even the Chinese have not pecked. We have everything in our country, the desire of the authorities to use this potential is miserable.
    After all, this has already happened in our history. And more than once ...

    Perhaps it happened. Only, I remember, the main period of industrialization fell on the IVS board, when they acted with corrupt officials, embezzlers and saboteurs as enemies of the people, and did not make Heroes of Socialist Labor out of them.
    hi
    1. Polente the Wanderer
      Polente the Wanderer April 6 2020 13: 57 New
      -1
      From Wikipedia "With the beginning of industrialization, the consumption fund sharply decreased, and, as a result, the standard of living of the population. [41] By the end of 1929, the rationing system was extended to almost all food products, but the deficit in rations remained, and for them long queues had to stand, the standard of living began to improve.In 1936, the cards were abolished, which was accompanied by an increase in wages in the industrial sector and an even greater increase in the state ration prices for all goods.Average level of consumption per capita in 1938 was 22 % higher than in 1928 [41]. However, the greatest growth was among the party and labor elite and did not affect the vast majority of the rural population, or more than half of the country's population [41]. "
  23. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 April 6 2020 11: 02 New
    +6
    Alas, Stalin cannot be raised from the grave, and the current leadership thinks more about their own well-being, and then only about the rest of the citizens
    1. Polente the Wanderer
      Polente the Wanderer April 6 2020 13: 47 New
      0
      The paramilitary economy was already ...
      Under Stalin, there was no Internet, no computers, and the like. It was only possible to support the leaders of the country, the region ...
      The discussion (and especially the accusation of something) of the leadership under Stalin, and even more so of Stalin himself, could end only in custody (at best) on charges of treason.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. April 6 2020 14: 08 New
        -1
        The administrative-command economy is good for war, recovery after it, for forced industrialization. And for the current situation. It is easier to mobilize. But the rest is a brake on development. It’s like a whip for a horse: in certain situations it will help out, but it’s definitely not worth using it constantly.
    2. iouris
      iouris April 6 2020 14: 49 New
      +2
      Quote: Chaldon48
      Alas, Stalin cannot be raised from the grave

      Alas, there’s no one to omit.
  24. Maks1995
    Maks1995 April 6 2020 11: 07 New
    +3
    "It's time to use the situation to develop our own industrial production"
    Oh, dreams, dreams ....

    There, recently all the effective managers in IL were dispersed, and in Roscosmos, Gazprom and RostNano, airplanes grew up, they sit, they sit, they sit .... Rogozins, Serdyukovs, Chubais .... not to mention the rest ....
  25. iouris
    iouris April 6 2020 12: 53 New
    +2
    If the author really understood the problem and gave a scientifically grounded recommendation, then he should have indicated: what exactly to produce, the recipients of the products (domestically and abroad), who will finance the development (and what are his motives), where to get the technologies and is it possible former managers to be forged into workers. The text does not analyze the reasons why an industrial country chose to become a raw materials colony, why the export of raw materials (suddenly?) Has lost its strategic importance. Well, of course, it is urgent to answer the age-old Russian questions "who is to blame and what to do with them?", Otherwise the readers will not understand.
  26. Polente the Wanderer
    Polente the Wanderer April 6 2020 13: 38 New
    +1
    "... quality products for little money ..."
    the Russians themselves will buy it with pleasure. The question is in mass production. And of course the availability of money from the Russians ...
    1. iouris
      iouris April 6 2020 19: 07 New
      0
      Quote: Wanderer Polente
      The question is in mass production.

      This is to China. In a country with a population of less than 300 million, of which 60% are pensioners, the production of quality products is impossible, and until the end of time it is not possible to solve the demographic issue. And everyone understands what this threatens.
      1. Campanella
        Campanella April 6 2020 21: 01 New
        +1
        Why is it not possible? The market will not work, but with the help of the state it is. Trillions were brought out and withdrawn over the hill, with this money you could build anything you want.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 6 2020 21: 18 New
        0
        I produce like everyone else - and I have less than 300 million of your population - with 60% of retirees who have no idea where they come from - they do not interfere with producing high-quality engineering products and exporting them. Do not write all sorts of bullshit.
      3. Amper
        Amper April 7 2020 00: 03 New
        0
        These same 60% (50-60 years old and above) carry such a potential that is not available to modern youth. Checked in DONBASS. Jerks ... name to you .. consumers ... cops ... Not your misfortune, society ... But not your honor either !!!
  27. 16112014nk
    16112014nk April 6 2020 18: 23 New
    +3
    To develop industrial production in the country, you need desire and ability. Our anti-people government has neither one nor the other. But to cut the budget, strangle taxes and break up the leftovers - this desire and abilities are in abundance.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 6 2020 21: 24 New
      0
      I don’t know who’s falling apart there over the past year; machine-building production has grown to 8,7 trillion rubles; chemical pharmaceutical textile instrument-making and everyone else is also growing - this year there will be a decline associated with the coronovirus pandemic and internal quarantine.
  28. Amper
    Amper April 6 2020 21: 33 New
    +1
    Without the liquidation of a system based on postulates: nepotism, theft, kickbacks, impunity, banditry, which turned the Soviet Empire into a third world country - it is not possible !!!!!!!! Stay on the bare ground on the terms of the winners ......?
  29. Amper
    Amper April 6 2020 22: 03 New
    +1
    Quote: Vadim237

    To develop industrial production in the country, you need a desire and

    I would like to learn more about the development of textiles! I'm ashamed to say "red Manchester" now, it's even more ashamed to say the center - "textiles-Ivanovo", sales of bedding in Turkey and China, when we already start to rise .... We have all the previously rotten communist factories of the USSR, torturing the people worth salaries, social benefits and other unworthy benefits for ordinary people, turned into shopping centers of capitalism, we have been waiting for prosperity with the textile workers for 30 years (many have died) ... the most modern factory on March 8 has long been transformed, in accordance with modern trends, into a trade center Serebryanny city of Ivanovo. Unnecessary machines have been scrapped !! Everything is done for our well-being, as in the Emirates! But something sad ... Hungry and anxious ... And with the dignity of the working people, somehow bad ... Are we to blame for something? Comrade Putin, you are our comrade !? You are from the KGB !!!? We believed that! The wrong thing has been pressed, or maybe the traitors among us are not a myth !!!! with endless patience the people of Russia
  30. Amper
    Amper April 6 2020 22: 39 New
    0
    The circus left, clowns frolic!
  31. Amper
    Amper April 6 2020 22: 54 New
    +1
    Coronovirus, you say!? .... We will see who needs it and why in a month! Father who saved the country from flu - who is he? Everyone knows him - this is Wowand De Mord !!! Fish eye....\
  32. Amper
    Amper April 6 2020 23: 34 New
    0
    The circus left, the clowns stayed! What the fuck ... r modernization !? Systems of kickbacks, thefts and -cummies !? are you in the subject !? The revolution is from top to bottom .. Either Russia is no more - sorry ancestors, we are mold on your bones ... or - I do not believe in modern gamers - the main level of a virtual game. ,,,,
  33. Amper
    Amper April 6 2020 23: 53 New
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    Notes by the representative of the pathologist ..... I can’t even finish the phrase ..... Sorry, forum.! Napoleon-defeated! Mickey 2nd too! Bourgeois and the Entente are the same! But came the bad kid with fish eyes - and there is no Russia! If not us, then who but us!?
  34. Amper
    Amper April 7 2020 00: 16 New
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    It is time to use the situation to develop our own industrial production .......
    Complete nonsense ... 30 years. collapse, perhaps .... r, distribution ....... wassat EP in its hypostasis. even the most stupid and pointless admirers of a fish eye understand that from shit .. ma only gases are produced CH4 + C2O3 + nitrates ...
  35. smaug78
    smaug78 April 7 2020 18: 08 New
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    And what have not been used since 2015? The author blew dust from an ancient training manual laughing
  36. Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. April 8 2020 12: 41 New
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    No jerk, development has been seen so far, with such leaders there will never be a second industrialization; people talking about Soviet galoshes are still at the level of Russian bast shoes.
  37. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 April 9 2020 11: 06 New
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    More domestic electric goods and electronics on offer, then people will really see the power of our industry
  38. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter April 10 2020 18: 10 New
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    "Is this possible? And why not? How many countries were able to make such a breakthrough in a short time. Think of Japan, Korea, China ... Perhaps it is time for us to stop thinking of our own economic recovery as a pipe dream."
    Probably .... The article has a bunch of points with which I personally strongly agree.
    The trouble is that, for strange reasons, these points are categorically not applied in practice. Moreover, they report that they will not be used ...
    1. agond
      agond April 21 2020 21: 15 New
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      Quote: Amper
      "red manchester"

      Regarding Ivanov, there is a continuous accumulation of garbage in the city, decades pass, rulers change, systems change, generations change, ages change, but construction debris, dirt, puddles on the roads are all in the same places as the fittings stuck somewhere land half a century ago and still in place, the last 25 years, the process of accumulation of garbage has accelerated greatly, this is probably because,
      1 indifference
      2 too well have learned to formally do absolutely everything.
      By the way, for example, if, for example, in the morning, you suddenly wake up as a volunteer, get up, wash, pray, go with a large basket to collect garbage around the city, then it will fill up instantly, the question of where to pour out its contents .. in the private sector, in the suburbs near roads, garbage containers were not there under the Communists you still can’t find it, although containers are sometimes found in the city center, but some of them will not be allowed to guard, for example, to a garbage container near one state tax inspection, even if you paid all taxes.
      Thus, if the garbage is on the streets, in the yards and looks like heads, then what we want.