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"Motor Sich", so do not get to anyone

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Not so long ago it seemed that confusing история Ukrainian enterprise to create aviation engines "Motor Sich", which has turned into a real commercial detective of international scope, is nearing completion. Dots were placed over the "i", the fate of the plant was decided. However, the crisis that has broken out in the world, it seems, will make its own harsh adjustments and will end more than a century of history of the Zaporozhye plant with a not at all happy ending.


Motor Sich got into the headlines of not only Ukrainian and Russian, but also leading Western media last year, when it became known about the sale of more than 50% of the company’s shares to Chinese companies, including Skyrizon Aircraft Holdings Limited. However, back in 2017, Beijing announced its intention to open a plant for the production of aircraft engines in Chongqing, and it was in partnership with the Zaporizhzhya enterprise. If you believe the Chinese comrades, then the corresponding agreements were reached in 2015.

This date is not accidental: after the state coup in Ukraine in 2014 and the subsequent rupture of economic and trade ties with Russia, Motor Sich was not just in distress, but in a disastrous situation. According to available information, having lost the market of the Russian Federation, engine builders were virtually without work. According to the results of the first half of 2019, the company's net loss amounted to 425,7 million hryvnias, and revenue decreased by more than a third to 1,9 billion hryvnias. According to entrepreneur Vyacheslav Boguslaev, who owned more than 80% of his shares, the only option for him was to close the plant or turn it into a "metal warehouse". And then the Chinese arrived in time ...

There is, however, a suspicion that generous comrades from the Middle Kingdom did not intend to save the dying production far from them in Zaporozhye. The technical documentation of the Ivchenko-Progress state design bureau, which is part of the Ukroboronprom concern and specializes in designing, manufacturing, certification and serial production of gas turbine, is much more interesting than worn-out equipment and long-modernized workshops in Zaporozhye. aviation and other engines. For 15 years, an agreement has been in force, within the framework of which these developers donated (and free of charge) for 60 years to Motor Sich all design and operational documentation for a number of engines for aircraft and helicopters.

It was in connection with this moment that the deal being prepared provoked such a sharp negative reaction from the United States that Ukraine "set the brains" of Ukraine, which had forgotten who was its owner, adopted the highest-ranking US politicians. In August last year, John Bolton, then a national security adviser to Donald Trump, rushed to Kiev personally. At the beginning of this year, for the fidelity, the head of the State Department, Mike Pompeo, also arrived. The sale of the enterprise was actually suspended by the decision of the Antimonopoly Committee, searches began in the company’s offices, the shares were arrested, and Boguslaev was accused of almost sabotage.

The United States, which claimed responsibility for breaking the contract so advantageous for Ukraine, began to look for an alternative buyer, moreover, fearing a new catch, exclusively from among its own citizens. In any case, this is exactly what William Taylor, US Chargé d'Affaires in Ukraine, stated. In the future, the owners of the plant, in particular, read Frontier Services Group, controlled by Eric Prince, the founder of the American PMC Blackwater (currently Academi). Prince himself, as far as is known, at the end of October last year even visited Zaporozhye and visited the enterprise. According to a later version, the American Oriole Capital Group should have become the buyer of Motor Sich. The information seemed quite reliable, since the managing partner of this company, Hussein Musavi, known for his long-standing and strong interest in the Ukrainian aviation industry, not only confirmed it, but also specified that he was working on a future acquisition in close contact with representatives of the State Department and the U.S. Embassy in Ukraine.

Nevertheless, all these intentions were voiced before the United States suffered a severe blow from the coronavirus, causing serious damage to the economy, according to the reports of the Americans themselves. In such a situation, it seems extremely doubtful that the Americans will rush to invest millions in Ukrainian enterprises, rather than prefer to save their own. However, they probably will not give a plant to the Chinese either, acting on the principle described by the classic: “So don’t get to anyone!” Anyway, the last news about "Motor Sich" is a message that the wall and some other "brick structures" collapsed at the enterprise. To eliminate the consequences of an emergency, rescuers had to be involved. It seems that the word "collapse" is beginning to take on a direct meaning for the enterprise.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins April 6 2020 06: 44 New
    -7
    And again my favorite virtual "funeral"))). True, it is strange after the "funeral" for 6 years of Dill, to read about the "funeral" of individual elements, but after reading who the author was, I was not surprised at the discrepancy. I will wait for what readers from Zaporozhye will say ...
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent April 6 2020 07: 09 New
      19
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      I'll wait for what readers from Zaporozhye will say ....

      While there are no Cossacks, information from Colonel Cassad :

      In Poltava, 3 boards were broken in honor of the ATO heroes

      5 April, 20: 19
      In Poltava, some local resident broke 3 memorial plaques in honor of the ATO heroes at night.
      Smashed corny with a hammer. Now they are looking for him.

      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin April 6 2020 07: 50 New
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        Quote: Insurgent
        Smashed corny with a hammer. Now they are looking for him.

        God give him health good
        1. krot
          krot April 6 2020 11: 46 New
          19
          Well done guy! I think there are enough of them in this country, whose name I don’t even want to say. And only such people can return respect to the country.
        2. Mebius
          Mebius April 6 2020 12: 03 New
          +6
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Quote: Insurgent
          Smashed corny with a hammer. Now they are looking for him.

          God give him health good

          And more than once with a hammer walk on commemorative plaques and other Bandera heads-monuments .. hi
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin April 6 2020 12: 09 New
            +5
            Quote: Mobius
            And more than once with a hammer walk on commemorative plaques and other Bandera heads-monuments ..

            Better yet, commemorative plaques on the heads
            Double benefit will be
            1. Mebius
              Mebius April 6 2020 13: 22 New
              +2
              Quote: Lipchanin
              Quote: Mobius
              And more than once with a hammer walk on commemorative plaques and other Bandera heads-monuments ..

              Better yet, commemorative plaques on the heads
              Double benefit will be

              Yes, it’s not worth the risk .. Let it be better with a hammer so far and be extremely careful. This is just the beginning ..
        3. cherkas.oe
          cherkas.oe April 6 2020 12: 45 New
          +4
          Quote: Lipchanin
          God give him health

          And a medal - "For Courage"!
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine April 6 2020 08: 26 New
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        Quote: Insurgent
        Smashed corny with a hammer. Now they are looking for him.

        Well, that would not have found him. Well done guy.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin April 6 2020 08: 30 New
          +7
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Well, that would not have found him.

          I agree and support drinks
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ April 6 2020 08: 42 New
            26
            In vain he did it with his left hand - additional evidence. However, maybe he is right-handed, but this is for the purpose of disguise? In any case, a brave Ukrainian, not a bastard.
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin April 6 2020 08: 44 New
              +1
              Quote: Aviator_
              In vain he did it with his left hand - additional evidence.

              What evidence is this?
              Not one court will not accept this
              1. Aviator_
                Aviator_ April 6 2020 08: 55 New
                14
                This is a dill court. He can do anything.
                1. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin April 6 2020 08: 57 New
                  +3
                  In this case, evidence is not needed at all. Though he beat
                  1. Alex Nevs
                    Alex Nevs April 6 2020 09: 30 New
                    +8
                    Right They have already found the culprit laughing Putin himself is dressed up. laughing
                    1. Lipchanin
                      Lipchanin April 6 2020 09: 33 New
                      0
                      And Shoigu stands on the "naughty" laughing
            2. cherkas.oe
              cherkas.oe April 6 2020 12: 48 New
              +1
              Quote: Aviator_
              he did it with his left hand

              This is so that the right hand does not know what the left is doing. So all good deeds are done yes
        2. Anatoly Rukavishnikov
          Anatoly Rukavishnikov April 7 2020 01: 31 New
          +4
          Set instead
      3. Alexander Barinov
        Alexander Barinov April 6 2020 09: 25 New
        +8
        A true descendant of Kovpak, it’s time for the trains to go downhill ...
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin April 6 2020 09: 34 New
          +5
          Quote: Alexander Barinov
          it's time to echelons ...

          It's time to multiply Bandera evil by zero
          1. Kushka
            Kushka April 6 2020 22: 55 New
            +2
            So before you guys were abruptly, they are this evil
            since 1939 both by zero and by two zeros, multiplied and divided,
            but it turned out you see how. But they didn’t even have a Donbass
            (they wouldn’t have dreamed of such a thing) And today, who
            will it multiply? These or what?
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin April 6 2020 22: 58 New
              -2
              Quote: Kushka
              These or what?

              Well, there is a layer of "Mayakhataskra" there, but the normal ones are not extinct either
      4. businessv
        businessv April 6 2020 13: 09 New
        +1
        Quote: Insurgent
        In Poltava, some local resident broke 3 memorial plaques in honor of the ATO heroes at night.

        By sowing the wind, you will reap the storm! The example of the destruction of monuments is fresh, therefore not surprised. You are on the right track, comrades!
      5. Fresh
        Fresh April 6 2020 22: 31 New
        -5
        Vandalism. An enemy or friend, but it’s vandalism. If someone did this in Moscow tomorrow? Let them howl in war, shoot, kill, and mother pray at home. Even mothers of enemies
      6. Moon
        Moon April 6 2020 22: 59 New
        -2
        Quote: Insurgent
        While there are no Cossacks, information from Colonel Cassad:

        Well, the Colonel is the same source of aggressive information warfare ...
        Very biased as a source of information, a blog.
    2. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer April 6 2020 10: 55 New
      +8
      The author, with the exception of small details, is generally right. The plant is half dead. Part of the fence collapsed, but on that territory are mainly tenants. Motorovsky there are only two warehouses and a section of the explosion.
    3. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan April 6 2020 15: 30 New
      10
      And again my favorite virtual "funeral"))).


      And what are the doubts? Who needs Motor Sich products now?

      Previously, the main customer was Russia, which allowed the company to live and work, but now I see no prospects for it.

      Engines Russia now produces at its own expense, due to what will such an enterprise live? Due to motoblocks and repair of Mi-8? I doubt it very much.

      Motor Sich is terminally ill, and you will still see his funeral, he will share the fate of the Nikolaev shipyard. Although in my opinion it would be possible to find a job for a shipyard by ordering at least tankers and bulk carriers for Ukraine itself and possibly selling for export.
    4. cord
      cord April 6 2020 15: 55 New
      +4
      There is no bad smell from a deceased economy, there are only bad figures and obscene offers from the IMF and the WB, for whom they need a tricky embroidered shirt in the form of a land market law and a manual NBU (by law). They agree to such conditions only from hopelessness !!!
    5. A009
      A009 April 8 2020 19: 35 New
      0
      This person dies immediately. Factories, states and entire civilizations die for a long time, sometimes for decades, but this does not change the essence.
      It’s sad, actually. The enterprise was created by thousands of people who believe that they are doing something important for that, their country. And now, even they themselves can’t dispose of their plant. And they would be glad to sell it, but the owner will not order it. A shame.
  2. parusnik
    parusnik April 6 2020 06: 44 New
    +5
    A normal phenomenon, for capitalism ... in a single country ... In other republics of the former USSR this is not the same? smile
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent April 6 2020 07: 05 New
      +4
      Quote: parusnik
      A normal phenomenon, for capitalism ... in a single country ... In other republics of the former USSR this is not the same?

      Obviously, there is something similar, of course.
      But only in one ex-Ukraine, to such an extent these processes are additionally, and thoroughly complemented by the obdurate maidanutism of power, and total hope in the West ...

      "For evil grandmother Russia, I'll frostbitten my ears. And not only ears ... "
      1. parusnik
        parusnik April 6 2020 08: 40 New
        10
        Why only in one Ukraine? ... In the Baltic states, for example, smarter?
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent April 6 2020 09: 04 New
          -1
          Quote: parusnik
          Why only in one Ukraine? ... In the Baltic states, for example, smarter?

          With all due respect to your opinion, the Balts have not yet reached the collapse of the republics, and dill has already done this ...

          So SHO ... In Europe, ahead of the Europe ... yes
          1. parusnik
            parusnik April 6 2020 17: 58 New
            +2
            Insurgent But, there, the NATO troops spend their days and nights .. in the Baltic states .. They are vigilant that the people there wouldn’t recover and don’t give, God chose someone else ....
        2. Alens
          Alens April 6 2020 09: 08 New
          0
          There is no mind and was not here in the case of Bolik
        3. Alex Nevs
          Alex Nevs April 6 2020 09: 31 New
          +9
          In the baltics, they managed to declare quarantine !!!!! from "PIG FLU" laughing
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin April 6 2020 09: 36 New
            -3
            Quote: Alex Nevs
            In the baltics, they managed to declare quarantine !!!!! from "PIG FLU"

            Well hegemon did not tell them what infection. I solved my problems laughing
            And without his blessing in any way request laughing
            1. Alex Nevs
              Alex Nevs April 6 2020 09: 37 New
              +5
              Nooooo. not so ... They are so quick to "think."
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin April 6 2020 09: 39 New
                -4
                Quote: Alex Nevs
                Nooooo. not so ... They are so quick to "think."

                Well, then one overlapped laughing
          2. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. April 6 2020 19: 26 New
            -1
            They have not come back from the Spanish.
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 6 2020 07: 52 New
      -16
      Quote: parusnik
      for capitalism

      Do you have at least one post without this term?
      What are you this "capitalism" thrusting where not getting?
      Have you tried to put it in the salad?
      1. parusnik
        parusnik April 6 2020 08: 44 New
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        Do you have at least one post without this term?
        What are you this "capitalism" thrusting where not getting?
        Have you tried to put it in the salad?
        ... In this case, what's wrong? laughing Ukraine, a powerful socialist power? laughingJustify your comment.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin April 6 2020 08: 48 New
          -13
          Quote: parusnik
          . In this case, what's wrong?

          What does the outskirts have to do with it?
          I'm talking about your habit of pushing the word "capitalism" into place and out of place.
          Ukraine, a powerful socialist power?

          Name at least one "mighty socialist state" in the world?
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ April 6 2020 09: 00 New
            +8
            China, for example.
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin April 6 2020 09: 01 New
              -7
              Is there socialism ???? belay
              1. Aviator_
                Aviator_ April 6 2020 09: 03 New
                12
                What is capitalism? Was the USSR a capitalist country during the time of the NEP? The Chinese have the same thing.
                1. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin April 6 2020 09: 05 New
                  -13
                  Clear.
                  The only country in the world where real socialism, this is Korea.
                  Call her "mighty"?
                  1. Aviator_
                    Aviator_ April 6 2020 09: 10 New
                    11
                    What does this small country have to do with the DPRK? They live as they want, and are not sold to anyone. Well, they like it that way. What do you understand about the Chinese? What do they have - socialism or capitalism?
                    1. Lipchanin
                      Lipchanin April 6 2020 09: 19 New
                      -15
                      As soon as the conversation comes about socialism and Korea is cited as an example, the conversation is immediately gone. No one wants to admit that they are at an impasse.
                      About China. What kind of socialism is there? Only in words and the presence of the Communist Party. Is there all the land and all the plants belong to the people?
                      1. major147
                        major147 April 6 2020 09: 43 New
                        0
                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        As soon as we talk about socialism and cite Korea as an example,

                        Cuba!?
                      2. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin April 6 2020 09: 50 New
                        -13
                        Quote: major147
                        Cuba!?

                        Forgot about her laughing
                        After all, what a "strong" socialism you can't remember right away laughing
                        And Cuba is slowly moving away from socialism. You can't immediately change the formation there. The generation of "bearded men" is still alive
                      3. major147
                        major147 April 6 2020 09: 54 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        This is how "strong" socialism is,

                        You can still search in South America ...
                      4. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin April 6 2020 09: 58 New
                        -5
                        Quote: major147
                        You can still search in South America

                        That's it, search.
                        It was about a "mighty socialist power"
                        Name, well, except conditionally socialist China, at least one more.
                      5. major147
                        major147 April 6 2020 09: 59 New
                        0
                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        Name

                        Hardly.
                      6. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin April 6 2020 10: 03 New
                        -9
                        Here I am about it.
                        It's just that I'm tired of listening to the mantra about "capitalism is to blame for everything" on the Military site to the place and not the place, while hushing up the "merits" of socialism.
                        It seems that people were stuck in the 20th century
                      7. major147
                        major147 April 6 2020 10: 10 New
                        -6
                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        "capitalism is to blame for everything" to listen, while hushing up the "merits" of socialism.

                        One has only to remind the "socialists" about the shooting of the Novocherkassk workers, how they get lost and "spit" around the corner.
                      8. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin April 6 2020 10: 35 New
                        -9
                        Quote: major147
                        how they get lost and "spit" around the corner.

                        And pay attention, minus silently. I have not put a single minus in the entire discussion. They shove bundles without explanation.
                        This is their "class struggle" laughing
                        When there are no arguments, fists are used laughing
                        But this is only the beginning. Now the orthodoxy of socialism and communism will pull up and begin laughing
                        The atomic explosion is nothing compared to the anger of the angry "true"
                      9. major147
                        major147 April 6 2020 23: 19 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        how they get lost and "spit" around the corner.

                        You surpassed me on the minuses! fellow
                      10. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin April 6 2020 23: 22 New
                        -5
                        Quote: major147
                        You surpassed me on the minuses!

                        I have more "fans" laughing
                        Most cons are not for the post.
                        "Fans" minus without even reading, by nickname laughing
                      11. major147
                        major147 April 6 2020 23: 23 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        "Fans" minus without even reading, by nickname

                        I have somewhere about three such things, stable.
                      12. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin April 6 2020 23: 28 New
                        -4
                        Quote: major147
                        I have somewhere about three such things, stable.

                        I have no less. One recently locked me in HP and vowed to minus all my posts in a row. Well of course I sent him to the forest
                        Keeps His Word laughing
                        And everyone else ...
                        I’m attempting on the most sacred thing for them, SOCIALISM laughing
                        Well, the old scores.
                        They are like bees. Swarm fly laughing
                      13. major147
                        major147 April 6 2020 23: 30 New
                        0
                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        vowed to minus all my posts in a row

                        It means that the poor man has penetrated to the depths of his soul. As usual with them, there are no arguments, so "stone to glass"!
                      14. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin April 6 2020 23: 41 New
                        -4
                        Quote: major147
                        As usual with them, there are no arguments, so "stone to glass"!

                        From children's pants did not grow.
                        And probably sincerely believes that after his minus my appetite will disappear, my blood pressure will rise and I will not be able to fall asleep laughing
                        He thinks that I am holding on to the "title" and the poor fellow is not aware that I have already been a "marshal" three times and I do not regret at all that then I started from scratch
                      15. major147
                        major147 April 6 2020 23: 53 New
                        0
                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        after his minus, my appetite will be gone, my blood pressure will rise and I won’t be able to sleep

                        Well, because they don’t pour for (+/-) crying in general on figs, but I am proud that I "got" the enemy, because normal people have different views on the same problem, and
                        their (views) can and should be expressed here, arguing about them without labeling and insults (do not whistle with cancer on the mountain, or from the mountain .... better with cancer for a stone, do not turn red) as a fresh example of a typical representative of the above named " comrades ", who for some reason considers his version to be correct,
                        "because it is true"!
                      16. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin April 7 2020 00: 08 New
                        -4
                        Quote: major147
                        without labeling or insulting

                        Yes, if they don't remember about "ism" and don't hang a label, they won't go to bed laughing
                        Below with the nickname "Aviator" laid out the entire set laughing
                        But there are such, the views are opposite, but we speak peacefully, calmly, each brings his own arguments and no minuses. But then the Orthodox come up and that’s it, the whole conversation in vain. All in the cons. What does not say a word.
                        I already said that impression that they were stuck in the last century and do not want to get out of there.
                        A whining how good it was before and how bad it is now.
                        And they can’t understand that, as before, they won’t. You can’t turn history back.
                        How is it in the song
                        "Minced meat cannot be turned back
                        And you can't stop the mixer with your tongue " laughing
                        . Young people do not know how it was before. They feel good today and therefore no one will follow them
                      17. major147
                        major147 April 7 2020 00: 15 New
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                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        "Minced meat cannot be turned back

                        In my opinion, people who in the 80s were children and cannot know from their own experience that such a trade is practiced that then it was not possible to buy even sausages (as a measure of prosperity at that time) without "blat". And people who say that then "everything belonged to the people" were sent in general! bully
                      18. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin April 7 2020 00: 27 New
                        -4
                        Quote: major147
                        In my opinion, people who in the 80s were children and cannot know from their own experience that such a trade is practiced that then it was not possible to buy even sausages (as a measure of the then prosperity) without "blat".

                        Three words defined all life. "pull", "get" and "scarcity"
                        Only this was heard.
                        No matter what kind of person you are. It’s important that you can get a deficit by pulling.
                        I am amazed when they say that they were then workers, or engineers. Why then did they forget so quickly what the "Wage Fund" is? request
                        I am amazed that the coupons were forgotten so quickly. And this with the vaunted "socialism" And there was no war like. People were herded into humiliating lines.
                        The tagged one is to blame, no one disputes. But who brought him to power? People? No. "Mind, Honor and Conscience of Our Epoch" brought him to power. Such a good mind. The honor is already off scale. Well, my conscience is enough just enough to blame everyone around for all the troubles, but blow off the dust particles.
  3. Aviator_
    Aviator_ April 6 2020 12: 53 New
    +4
    One has only to remind the "socialists" about the execution of the Novocherkassk workers,

    But this is the achievement of the Trotskyist Khrushchev Kukuruzny. If Trotsky had not been thrown abroad in 1929, then this execution would have happened earlier.
  4. major147
    major147 April 6 2020 13: 33 New
    -2
    Quote: Aviator_
    But this is the achievement of the Trotskyist Khrushchev Kukuruzny.

    Note, a faithful ally of Comrade Stalin. For all the "infidels" of that ....
  5. Aviator_
    Aviator_ April 6 2020 13: 44 New
    +1
    So how many "faithful" comrades-in-arms there were — Trotsky, Martov, Kamenev, Bukharin ... And each wanted his own socialism. But it did not grow together.
  6. Crimean partisan 1974
    Crimean partisan 1974 April 6 2020 21: 26 New
    0
    One has only to remind the "socialists" about the execution of the Novocherkassk workers ... in Novocherkassk, it was the same as on the Maidan, there were no workers there, there were groups of students under the control of criminals. do not whistle cancer on the mountain, or from the mountain ...
  7. major147
    major147 April 6 2020 23: 18 New
    -1
    Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
    no workers were there

    Novocherkassk is 40 km from me. My relative then served in the police in Rostov, and after the events on the same day he was sent there. And I have more faith in him than all the authors of the "official versions"!
  8. Crimean partisan 1974
    Crimean partisan 1974 April 6 2020 23: 28 New
    +1
    Novocherkassk is 40 km from me. My relative was then serving in the police in Rostov .... my uncle was there. on the tank. and he said it was a tragedy. but the workers were not there. students began tossing the first bottles of gasoline. well, it went off, like a rural disco "they beat ours" but with complications
  9. codetalker
    codetalker April 6 2020 16: 16 New
    +1
    In general, many people have some kind of fixation on these terms. Such a feeling, all that is necessary to announce some kind of system - and all problems will be solved. I once asked a question to one interlocutor (and he couldn’t eat directly without a socialist system), if in a formally capitalist country the enterprises of the most important industries go under state control (remaining joint-stock companies) and this state management of these enterprises is managed in the interests of the majority of the country's population - Is it still a capitalist system or is it already a bit socialist? And vice versa, if in a social country (with the corresponding state ideology), the most important enterprises, formally remaining in state ownership, essentially belong to a narrow "corporation" sitting in government, and it manages these enterprises solely in its selfish interests and against the public interest. Is it still a social country?
    I heard a lot about myself then :)
  10. Crimean partisan 1974
    Crimean partisan 1974 April 6 2020 21: 21 New
    0
    Name, well, except conditionally socialist China, at least one more ....... Vietnam. in any case in Indochina puts all cancer
  11. Aviator_
    Aviator_ April 6 2020 12: 59 New
    +4
    It is not the "bearded generation" who holds socialism there. There is a country nearby, which for some reason the Cubans do not want to turn into - Haiti.
  12. Aviator_
    Aviator_ April 6 2020 09: 59 New
    +6
    And in the DPRK, to the people? Well, do not quote quotes from posters here. Initially, the conversation was not about North Korea, but about a great power with a non-capitalist system. This is an example of China. And Haiti can be cited as an example of capitalism, but I am not doing this, why are you bringing the DPRK here?
  13. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin April 6 2020 10: 13 New
    -9
    Communist posters are fond of posters exclusively.
    Once again, I repeat, in China socialism is only on paper.
    And even if you imagine that China is socialist, then this is ONE country.
    How many powerful capitalist countries?
    Recall how from a socialist country, at every opportunity, people fled to the capitalist? From there, no one escaped into socialism. True, once the homeless were brought in, he lived a week under socialism and dumped him again in his capitalism.
    Moreover, the inhabitants of socialism were not released at all costs, but no one was holding the inhabitants of capitalism.
    History repeats itself. From the "mighty" outskirts, people run to work anywhere, no one rushes there
  14. Aviator_
    Aviator_ April 6 2020 12: 50 New
    +3
    Communist posters are fond of posters exclusively.

    Is there all the land and all the plants belong to the people?

    So you are also a hidden communist?
  15. Filxnumx
    Filxnumx April 6 2020 10: 02 New
    +3
    About China. What kind of socialism is there?
    Following your logic, there was no socialism in the USSR either. Because the power did not belong to the people, but to the councils controlled by the CPSU. And in the countries of "people's democracy" and even more so, there was no smell of socialism. And if for you the DPRK is the clearest example of socialism, then do not forget the Kampuchea of ​​the Pol Pot times.
  16. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin April 6 2020 10: 26 New
    -10
    He was in the USSR. And I'm not going to argue.
    How do you determine that in China it is socialism? What are the signs?
  17. Crimean partisan 1974
    Crimean partisan 1974 April 6 2020 21: 34 New
    0
    How do you determine that it is precisely socialism in China? ... strategic enterprises have no shares. that is, capitalization ... according to this, like the DPRK and Vietnam, they bend everyone in the district with cancer, well, with the exception of xiaoping
  18. Oyo Sarkazmi
    Oyo Sarkazmi April 6 2020 18: 26 New
    +1
    Quote: Lipchanin
    As soon as we talk about socialism and cite Korea as an example,

    Like capitalism - so an example of hereditary, in 20 generations, colonial robbers lead. So when you are robbed, do you have respect for the robbers with every blow of brass knuckles grows?
    But what about Haiti, the embodiment of capitalism without international robbery, look?
  • AU Ivanov.
    AU Ivanov. April 6 2020 19: 30 New
    0
    The Chinese privately owned large companies: Huawei, BBK and others
    And yes, in the mid-20s there was no socialism in the USSR, Stalin announced its construction only in the mid-30s.
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid April 6 2020 16: 01 New
    +3
    Ah - ah !! Alexei, how could you? To call capitalism CAPITALISM. It was necessary differently, such as a new democratic system. More delicate wassat tongue necessary. And it’s better in a whisper, otherwise they don’t still know. ((sarcasm))
    Quote: parusnik
    Do you have at least one post without this term?
    What are you this "capitalism" thrusting where not getting?
    Have you tried to put it in the salad?
    ... In this case, what's wrong? laughing Ukraine, a powerful socialist power? laughingJustify your comment.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik April 6 2020 18: 03 New
      +3
      To call capitalism CAPITALISM ... The delicate wassat tongue is necessary. And it’s better in a whisper, otherwise they don’t still know. ((sarcasm))
      ... Yes, Dmitry, blurted out without thinking laughing You are right, you had to whisper ... laughing
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid April 6 2020 18: 10 New
        0
        It’s just after 3 decades that almost passed, it’s probably too early to speak so unprecedentedly and cynically, it was necessary to apologize at first, probably, in a whisper .... bully
        Quote: parusnik
        To call capitalism CAPITALISM ... The delicate wassat tongue is necessary. And it’s better in a whisper, otherwise they don’t still know. ((sarcasm))
        ... Yes, Dmitry, blurted out without thinking laughing You are right, you had to whisper ... laughing
  • Pete mitchell
    Pete mitchell April 6 2020 12: 48 New
    +5
    In other republics, everything is the same: carrot beckon and everything under the knife. Other republics did not get so much
  • svp67
    svp67 April 6 2020 06: 45 New
    12
    That "Motor Sich", now the country is "crumbling" there, so that "having lost their head about their hair, they no longer cry"
    1. Valery Valery
      Valery Valery April 6 2020 07: 02 New
      17
      I well remember how the Ukrainians behaved, with whom he studied at the university, in the early 90's.
      They forgot the "doggy" Russian language, wished the death of Russia without the "Ukraine feeding it", etc., etc.
      And therefore, I am absolutely not sorry for them - for which they fought ...
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins April 6 2020 07: 15 New
        -8
        Have you studied in Lviv? I studied in Kiev in 91-93 and there was nothing like it.
        1. Valery Valery
          Valery Valery April 6 2020 08: 03 New
          12
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Have you studied in Lviv? I studied in Kiev in 91-93 and there was nothing like it.

          I studied in St. Petersburg, and there it was full.
          1. Moon
            Moon April 6 2020 23: 04 New
            +1
            Quote: Valery Valery
            I studied in St. Petersburg, and there it was full.

            we exchanged with St. Petersburg were. SP University and our named after Mechnikov.
            I well remember how the Ukrainians behaved, with whom he studied at the university, in the early 90's.
            They forgot the "doggy" Russian language, wished the death of Russia without the "Ukraine feeding it", etc., etc.
            And therefore I am absolutely not sorry for them - for which they fought
            ..
            I do not confirm this. 2004 year. I can only complain about the mood of people in the subway (gloomy gloomy, the climate does not have, insolation is low)
            There was no difference between us at all.
            We had a craving for places different in St. Petersburg, they have a warm sea and fruit. That is why someone was missing.
            And now I’m reading some stamps.
            Petersburgers do not mind to buzz well when you can.
        2. major147
          major147 April 6 2020 09: 46 New
          +2
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Have you studied in Lviv? I studied in Kiev in 91-93 and there was nothing like it.

          I was in Kiev in the summer of the 13th year. Generally never did not hear "Ukrainian weova"
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins April 6 2020 09: 58 New
            -2
            Hush hush! Right now the minusers will run in and arrange for you "St. Bartholomew's Night")))
            I am Russian and this winter I often heard there and not in the context of "help!"))) laughing
            1. major147
              major147 April 6 2020 10: 00 New
              +2
              Quote: Leader of the Redskins
              Right now the minusers will come running and arrange for you

              Lord !!! "Scary" how !!!! lol
              1. antivirus
                antivirus April 6 2020 19: 49 New
                +1
                I am also afraid of them - they spoiled them all their lives for one small spoon ... and they will not appoint a pension because of their representation in the FIU
            2. Moon
              Moon April 6 2020 23: 06 New
              +1
              Quote: Leader of the Redskins
              I am Russian and this winter I often heard there and not in the context of "help!

              Well, according to many in the Russian Federation, they should have eaten or burned you there (you can change places if you wish) laughing
              Well, like one and a half million Russians who visited Ukraine last year.
      2. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich April 6 2020 07: 32 New
        12
        It was so. It was. We had them too. Moreover, being Goamadyans of Ukria, they studied in our universities, for free and our own country, they poured mud with mud. Lightly true. They were openly afraid. It was possible to get in the face. They were afraid of shitting, openly.
        1. Kot_Kuzya
          Kot_Kuzya April 6 2020 08: 54 New
          16
          Especially many non-brothers studied in Belgorod. I remember that in the 90s they studied completely free of charge, received scholarships, lived in hostels for a symbolic fee, while being citizens of Ukraine, that is, in fact, foreigners. And at the same time, they often felt contempt for "Moksha" and "Tatarva", they already considered themselves Europeans, and they considered Russians Moksha and Tatarva.
          1. major147
            major147 April 6 2020 09: 47 New
            +1
            Quote: Kot_Kuzya
            even then they considered themselves Europeans,

            Well, now we know exactly who "they" are!
      3. major147
        major147 April 6 2020 09: 44 New
        +1
        Quote: Valery Valery
        And therefore, I am absolutely not sorry for them - for which they fought ...

        good good good hi
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 6 2020 08: 28 New
      +4
      Quote: svp67
      That "Motor Sich", now the country is "crumbling" there, so that "having lost their head about their hair, they no longer cry"

      If there was also a head, but only a skull.
    3. Paul Siebert
      Paul Siebert April 6 2020 08: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      That "Motor Sich", now the country is "crumbling" there, so that "having lost their head about their hair, they no longer cry"

      I agree, Sergey!
      The mind has left the Square.
      At school we were taught the idiom of Denis Diderot: "I think - then I exist!"
      With regard to the leadership of Ukraine, another idiom is relevant:
      "I think, then I exist, but the opposite is not a fact!" wink
    4. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs April 6 2020 09: 32 New
      0
      What about the earth? They already sold it without them.
      1. Kushka
        Kushka April 6 2020 16: 59 New
        0
        A one-sided approach is propaganda, and it’s unsuccessful.
        FIRST: the law will give the right to a citizen of Ukraine to BUY
        the ground. (It is not clear why a citizen of Ukraine may
        (and really can) buy land in another country, and in
        he cannot do this for his country). Say that
        among Russians there are no owners of land in other
        countries? And mind you - at fabulous prices!
        And now SECOND: the land will SELL (when and
        under what conditions, this is another topic).
        I think if you provide one-way information
        for example, about the properties of sugar, you do not like it.
        1. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 April 6 2020 21: 45 New
          0
          for example, about the properties of sugar, ........ sugar is a sweet poison. and the land is a tangible thing, and this is a paradox. You can buy. but for the money. and the population does not have money, there is only auctions for the acquisition of a land share
          1. Kushka
            Kushka April 6 2020 22: 44 New
            0
            You would look at these with ausweis when they are on purchases in Velmart or ATB
            roll on the F-150, Tundra, Amarokah. (I'm not talking about latifundists
            with his wife and three kids do not go on ATB (!!!)) and roll out five carts each.
            L200 - this is so, instead of the Niva. Or tele-photo-radio-hair-razor-razor master (check
            under the table, on the table a soldering iron) In the village of the grandmother once a year -autumn -Help with
            firewood, coal. 20 thousand UAH dripping for pay, then his own teeth, then his wife (4th), then the balcony
            plastic, then a new washing machine and a refrigerator - but the work, this is so - "creative".
            From childhood, brought up on the Young technique and the Technique of youth. Like a pioneer, so
            and stayed. He drinks the truth for an adult. As it does not pull on the picture with slaves.
            1. Crimean partisan 1974
              Crimean partisan 1974 April 6 2020 23: 21 New
              0
              From childhood, brought up on the Young technique and the Technique of youth. .... Shota didn’t understand anything from your comment. I can tell you how I was doing with these outsays with banderlog
  • A.K.
    A.K. April 6 2020 06: 50 New
    +3
    Yes, here it is, which way to a brighter future. The latter is finished off and proud of it. No one needs competitors.
    1. major147
      major147 April 6 2020 09: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: A.K.
      The latter is finished off and proud of it.

      Not so long ago, I heard one "Ukrainian expert" (such a profession) proudly say "how good it is that millions of Ukrainians work abroad", modestly without mentioning who they work there and why.
      1. Kushka
        Kushka April 6 2020 21: 01 New
        0
        If you try, you will find in the archive of VO very reasoned
        the materials that the Crimean Tatars were deported and they are very good from it
        it became the same for Ossetians and others. (Confession of the whole
        people is nonsense in world history) There are many photos, it says
        that local leaders were waiting for them at the place and handed the keys, gave
        a cow, and the trains were doctors and nurses, etc. It is called
        propaganda. And I understand that the propagandist is a specialist, he gets
        good money (I heard about Solovyov’s earnings, I guess). But you
        then why do this? Ukrainians in different countries of the world are very
        there was much before and even more after. Among them are full of all
        from a man-shooter with a brother to millionaires. Therefore, if you
        if you want to highlight the topic of what Ukrainians do abroad -
        do it professionally, truthfully and in full.
        And as you do, those that write and shoot only about "Russian
        mafia "in all countries, can you agree with them ?.
        1. major147
          major147 April 6 2020 23: 12 New
          0
          Quote: Kushka
          But why are you doing this?

          What the hell propaganda. I speak purely from a human point of view. In a normal situation, a man in the morning after spending his children at school, went to work. Having worked, he returned to his family in the evening. Spends time at home on weekends, raising children - this is normal. And when half the country is forced to feed their family to go abroad, to be far from children and their upbringing, this is not normal. I do not take sailors and other shift workers who, under normal conditions, chose such a life. And that expert expert says that the life I described is not normal, but a forced life is good. I myself in the early 90s, in order to feed my family, was forced after the service, in the evening to go to guard the institution. And so for several years. I left in the morning, the children were still sleeping. I came at night, the children were already sleeping. I saw them for half a day at the weekend, because I had to go on a side job. This is your propaganda?
          1. Kushka
            Kushka April 6 2020 23: 54 New
            0
            I have a similar story - 90s, three works, small children (4-ro), old
            sick parents, we will understand each other. And today is not the 90s.
            Truckers have a huge army. Moreover, there are good firms
            cars, service. But there is still a lot in the private sector, in each lane
            one or two trucks, more than average, there are also large ones. You look - two or three
            there isn’t a week when on the spot, right in the side street on chocks spread,
            welding blinks at night. In the morning, no longer. Question of what children see, a fairy tale
            did he read them, did he help with a lesson?
            At the same time, not a small army of IT specialists - on a completely legal
            based on direct contracts (English law) sit at home, write
            contractual application software, legally receive a contractual fee
            to a personal dollar bank account (preferential tax rate) and
            they’re not going anywhere, but why - they are already employees of American
            Canadian companies. Whether children read fairy tales, I can’t know.
            I mean, black and white is propaganda. And all around
            more difficult. I am for objectivity.
            1. major147
              major147 April 7 2020 00: 02 New
              -1
              Quote: Kushka
              I am for objectivity.

              I wrote that sailors, shift workers, long-range combatants chose their own profession, just as I chose the service. This is one thing, but when half of the country is forced to go to a foreign land to get bread for the family, this is another. They are driven by the bad economic situation in the country to a foreign land. And that "comrade" on the TV tells me that it's "good." Good compared to what? Death by starvation?
              1. Kushka
                Kushka April 7 2020 13: 34 New
                0
                I personally observe a city in the center of Ukraine (250 thousand), where there were 4 engineering
                production plants (11 + 7 + 6 + 4 thousand people) and which are not today. Instead, the shopping center
                after a kilometer in which they sell from a boot carnation to live 10 m. Christmas trees.
                You can park there, but for .500 - a vast field of roofs of cars.
                And what cars !. First they fell on Octavia, 10 years ago, then on
                Camry, now them like scooters. But it’s full of SUVs - Landcruisers,
                Lexus, full of Infinity and various Chinese. There are a lot of electric cars,
                especially the Leaf. When they put on Euro-plates, they caught up with the station wagons up to 5 m in length,
                Audi, BMW. A military unit in the center, there was a paradise - a pedestrian boulevard,
                old park, philharmonic and pigeons. Now around the perimeter of the park and in all corners
                and in the backyards of hundreds of cars - the servicemen gathered at the service.
                And before, only teens on skateboards and mothers with prams are the quietest
                and a safe place was in the center of the city. In the sleeping bags even worse - soon
                cars will be placed on top of trees. In the city they spoke Russian
                in 1754, they still say so - from the janitor to ep. Through the house - two offices
                banks with the devil knows what names. Enrage shops "Gold" - in the center through the house-
                they are dressed up accordingly. The question is, if they didn’t buy, they would take a long time
                lasted? About fascism and starvation did not hear. About the fact that many
                have a rest in Egypt, Vietnam, Thailand, I heard, and travel agencies on every corner and
                in the center and in the sleeping bags. Also, if you go to the grocery - the biggest
                a bunch of buyers then the meat department. Markets - clothing, auto parts, food
                ny it is generally difficult to describe - there you can live a week or get lost.
                There are practically no lawns left, everything is built up with malls, mobile phones,
                commission, zoo, live beer. By the way, I went there - beer 20 UAH. liter is
                cheap and everything is laden with tall vessels. They do not have only dried scorpions.
                and bats, the choice of dozens of items of all nastiness.
                Gasoline (I am a pensioner) was 12, 17, 23 reached 31 UAH (1 E) - no effect - refueling
                after two blocks, they stand still, do not close. Cross the road, even in
                sleeping bag problem. Industry is neither light nor heavy, where does it all come from?
                I don’t understand. Separately about the peasants (who were in slavery, and sold their land).
                Full of stories and every week new - cybercrime - a rural grandmother
                transferred 20, 30 thousand - "Your grandson in the police"
                A man bought a tractor - he transferred 70 thousand, the phone does not answer - such messages
                - whole lines in the local newspaper and do not get smaller.
                This can be useful to you from nature, so to speak, and note - this is a province
                it is not Kharkov or Zaporozhye.
                P.S. About the picture outside the city (I go to cemeteries to the graves of my parents), towns
                in the spirit of Alice in Wonderland, I like you some other time
    2. Kushka
      Kushka April 6 2020 21: 21 New
      0
      An example is not even today, but about 20 years ago. In the steppe near Krivoy Rog
      Gokor built (Romanians, Germans, Czechs) Director built a house for himself
      to the Bug, half a road to Nikolaev - the factory floor worked there, well
      and any technique. At this time, as elsewhere in the CIS, boys rose,
      kopeck piece on Khreshchatyk - a lemon bucks. In short, the director sold this
      the villa. I bought a house in Cyprus for half the proceeds.
      I handed it over, the housekeeper is there, the gardener. When he is going, he reports.
      He rested and then rents out for a whole year. The richest Ukrainian Akhmetov,
      owns the most expensive real estate in London and God knows where.
      But he can’t buy land in Ukraine. Only according to the schemes, through
      set up, rent, etc. BUT even having her that way, he can't her
      SELL, mortgage against a bank loan, ok? Main
      the question is, who are we kidding? Again, as in the USSR - no sex, prostitution
      no, the land is not for sale?
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin April 6 2020 06: 50 New
    -1
    In such a situation, it seems extremely doubtful that the Americans will rush to invest millions in Ukrainian enterprises,

    They did not invest.
    War yes. No production.
    It’s more profitable for them to bankrupt, and then buy up through penny ones for a penny
    1. Hagalaz
      Hagalaz April 6 2020 07: 38 New
      +3
      So yes, but I strongly doubt that the Americans need something Ukrainian (acre of land), even for a penny. In this case, they have their own engine production, and from the side they don’t need it for nothing.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin April 6 2020 07: 55 New
        -5
        But why. Pipe for example. What kind of income gives. You can grab the same Zaporizhzhya hydroelectric station
        1. Hagalaz
          Hagalaz April 6 2020 10: 27 New
          +1
          What would milk the Ukrainians themselves? Perhaps theoretically, but they do not sell it.
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin April 6 2020 11: 59 New
            0
            They will sell it. Where do they go
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 6 2020 08: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: Lipchanin
      War yes. No production.

      Where there is profit, there is investment.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin April 6 2020 08: 31 New
        -3
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: Lipchanin
        War yes. No production.

        Where there is profit, there is investment.

        Market law
  • Eug
    Eug April 6 2020 06: 52 New
    +1
    Five additional lards will be printed (to the planned 2 trillion), taking into account Motor Sich. But in the hands will be a certified release of at least a mass of spare parts for a huge number of operated aircraft engines. And the "golden key" to the modernization of the An-124 and Mi-26 engines necessary for Russia ...
    1. Zhevlonenko
      Zhevlonenko April 6 2020 07: 37 New
      +4
      Well, mi-26 is no longer relevant, the development of our own is coming to an end, https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3248518.html and Ruslana has already been decided to redesign completely, it is the project "elephant" with all the consequences, under pd-35
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine April 6 2020 08: 31 New
        +3
        Quote: Zhevlonenko
        Ruslans have already been decided to redesign completely, aka the "elephant" project with all that it implies, under pd-35

        When it flies, then we will discuss what and how.
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich April 6 2020 07: 28 New
    -1
    Served, everyone. So they will hang out, like something, in the hole.
  • 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey April 6 2020 07: 46 New
    0
    An article is a dummy.
  • Avior
    Avior April 6 2020 07: 58 New
    +8
    . The technical documentation of the Ivchenko-Progress state design bureau, which is part of the Ukroboronprom concern, is much more interesting than worn-out equipment and long-modernized workshops in Zaporozhye.

    Not related to Motor Sich
    And about the collapse - because of sagging soil bricks fell from the old brick fence around the enterprise


    https://www.061.ua/news/2687595/v-zaporoze-na-motor-sic-obrusilas-cast-kirpicnogo-zabora-foto
    I don’t know what conclusions should be drawn from this
    It took me three minutes to find that on the Motor, which I had been working on back in Soviet times, the top of the old fence with barbed wire had fallen.
    But the author, having written a long article, did not want to check what it was about or simply created an intrigue that the shops were destroyed there?
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins April 6 2020 08: 06 New
      +1
      The brand "Ha-ra-luzh-ny" in its repertoire ...
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 6 2020 08: 34 New
      +4
      Quote: Avior
      But the author, having written a long article, did not want to check what it was about or simply created an intrigue that the shops were destroyed there?

      Thank you, but at least a few words, strike me, how are things at the factory.
      1. Avior
        Avior April 6 2020 09: 04 New
        +7
        as far as I know, in quarantine now.
        before that they worked for 4 days
        The rest works.
        A lot of repair and restoration of engines, but in numbers I will not say how much specifically. New, of course, fell sharply
        Salaries receive.
        They didn’t say anything about the fact that there was devastation or something similar.
        A new helicopter center with simulators was organized under Motor, but it is not part of the plant structure.

        As for the Chinese and the whole story of the sale, in my opinion no one knows for sure.
    3. Moon
      Moon April 6 2020 23: 15 New
      0
      Quote: Avior
      But the author, having written a long article, did not want to check what it was about or simply created an intrigue that the shops were destroyed there?

      he even deceived me. I started reading, I thought that the author will tell you what he started with - how it all ended up the epic of MS!
      And he just found a wall .... I also ate a siskin ... Ah yes the author .. Ida .. Pushkin according to bedtime stories ...
      and then not the wall of the MS ..
      From the news on MS, the volume of orders they had was similar to 2019. But since February, they began to cut expenses there (all business trips, kindergartens, etc.)
  • CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA April 6 2020 08: 34 New
    +2
    Why do Americans need this enterprise, with probably not advanced technologies and equipment? All the more or less important strategic enterprises and facilities of Ukraine have probably been examined by Americans for a long time to see if they pose a threat to US security, conclusions are drawn, measures have been developed. The Chinese will throw some kind of misinformation in the technical documentation or through Ukrainian experts in order to lead research on this topic to a dead end. By the way, non-receipt by the Chinese of critical technologies in this area is also beneficial for us, why do we need another competitor in this market
  • cniza
    cniza April 6 2020 08: 46 New
    -1
    In any case, the latest news about Motor Sich is a message that the wall and some other “brick structures” collapsed at the enterprise.


    Ukraine is a ruin, what else to expect from the power of ragul ...
  • begemot20091
    begemot20091 April 6 2020 09: 13 New
    +4
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    Have you studied in Lviv? I studied in Kiev in 91-93 and there was nothing like it

    What are you? I lived in Ukraine, every day they poked that they had finished feeding the Muscovites. Even the neighbors "crawled" to surzhik because they did not know the Ukrainian language. And at school, parents refused to study it by hook or by crook. And who needed him? What "great" works are written in Ukrainian. He died with the translation of technical texts. And the classics? ... Shakespeare was translated not from the original, but from the Russian translation. They mixed everyone in a bunch: Marshak and Lozinsky and even Pasternak. And look at the translation of Pushkin
    Paradise of Lukomor’a green oak,
    І gold lantsyug on him:
    Day І and nich there kit exercises
    On lantsyugu tim circle;
    Правde pravoruch - spіv start,
    Lіvoruch - dogskom homie.
    Diva there: lisovik wander there,
    Mermaid on a gіllі sit;
    Pushkin than prevented? Ah .... Moskal! How happy I am that I left this non-state entity.
    1. major147
      major147 April 6 2020 10: 08 New
      -4
      Quote: begemot20091
      Even the neighbors "crawled" to surzhik because they did not know the Ukrainian language.

      My uncle, a veteran of the Great Patriotic War, a Ukrainian, lived in Russia a few kilometers from the border with "Nezalezhnaya" and often went there in the early 90s for shopping. in Russia it was then poorer. One day, when I went to a store, where I went constantly, I turned as usual, in Russian, to the saleswoman. But she did not turn her ear. He repeated - the effect is the same. And when I spoke in Ukrainian, everything worked. By the way, now it's DNR.
      1. Avior
        Avior April 6 2020 11: 36 New
        +7
        this bike in different variations of about 50 years walks, since my childhood I heard it.
        But about zapadentsev, essno.
        But in the Donetsk region, I never heard.
        She was brought from Lviv smile
        She would have sold nothing to anyone at all, if Ukrainian had been waiting, the vast majority spoke Russian and speaks Donbass.
        1. major147
          major147 April 6 2020 12: 33 New
          -4
          Quote: Avior
          this bike in different variations of 50 years walks,

          My uncle personally told me.
          1. Avior
            Avior April 6 2020 13: 11 New
            +6
            Someone tells someone all the tales. smile
            In the 90s, Ukrainian in the East of Ukraine could be heard if you were lucky, of course smile Even in Lviv, one in three spoke Russian.
            hi
            1. major147
              major147 April 6 2020 13: 37 New
              -2
              Quote: Avior
              Even in Lviv, one in three spoke Russian.

              The point is not whether he spoke Russian or did not speak. But the point is that when they left the USSR they were "told" that they were "great" and not like the "Russian Vanka - a drunkard" whom "they feed". But time has put everything in its place, and who was "sitting on whose neck" is now visible without glasses.
        2. Kushka
          Kushka April 6 2020 13: 14 New
          +4
          In 86, I went to Chisinau with my wife and Kuma in Moscow (to shop).
          On the road, he got completely confused, jumped out - a small shop - two
          the buyer. As soon as I tried to draw attention to myself - well, tell me,
          where to go - no one even looked in my direction. Get the hang of it
          Ukrainian - immediately told in detail.
          In 81-82 I rested in the Gudauta - whoever you are, young, old - come up
          ask - turn away and talk further. He climbed into the PAZik, the son of 3 years old,
          on hands. A girl of 10 years old, in a white blouse, a pioneer tie jumped up.
          Immediately the uncle's hairy arm on her shoulder is a sit. She sat down.
          He served in Tallinn, in Liepaja. Parents flew in — the foreman gave 3 days !!
          We go, there is something to see! And ask - there are three, talking. Fit
          just opened his mouth - just turn away.
          This is not Bendery, do not simplify ..
        3. antivirus
          antivirus April 6 2020 20: 01 New
          0
          about tales
          in 89 g they began the development of mills with 1.1 kW engine-Poltava. At the end of the 90th or the 91st year !!!!!!!!!! (USSR) my deceased chief already went to negotiate - he agreed, they received them for several years (they left because of the jumps in dollars by the mid-90s)
          AND IN THE STORE TO EAT WITH THE SELLER - ZERO EMOTIONS - HERE I HAVE RUBLES - I DO NOT NEED YOUR FANCIES. THE ORDINARY STORE - CALLED "SELPO".
          not literally, but "candy wrappers" were.
        4. Moon
          Moon April 6 2020 23: 19 New
          0
          Quote: Avior
          She was brought from Lviv

          in Lviv everyone requested in Russian. There were no complaints.
          I liked the only guide. After 2 hours of his Ukrainian, they talked exclusively with him.
          There is a city for tourists ... probably I had to look for those who are talking about here. But there was no time.
          But on the contrary (when requests in Ukrainian cause a fierce reaction) I often observe.
          But again, not for tourists.
          Advantageously in English. Will not cause any reactions. And even better in German. In general, few people understand but everyone understands that you are a German ...
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 6 2020 12: 05 New
      0
      Quote: begemot20091
      What "great" works are written in Ukrainian.

      You are mistaken lol

      1. Moon
        Moon April 6 2020 23: 36 New
        0
        Quote: Lipchanin
        What "great" works are written in Ukrainian.
        You are mistaken

        Maybe I'm wrong, of course, but there should be written Chervona hat.There is everything in Ukrainian, even a Russian language! (I still don’t understand how everything Russian can be called Russian)
        And the name in Russian ... something can not be believed.
        And the second moment
        Little Red Riding Hood (French: Le Petit Chaperon rouge; German: Rotkäppchen) is a European folk tale with a story about a little girl who met a wolf. Literary edited by Charles Perrault, later recorded by the Grimm brothers.

        This is a folk tale. About the volcano that condemned Europe to hunger and the attack of wolves. winked (children are easiest to eat)
        And the third point
        Shakespeare is also translated into Russian and other languages. And literary. And for use in all areas. Or is everything needed exclusively in the original language *?
        fourth moment Leonid Glebov
        Even Russian Vicki agrees that he is Ukrainian
        Leonid Ivanovich Glebov (literary pseudonym “Leonid Glibov”, Ukrainian. Leonid Ivanovich Glibov; February 21 [March 5] 1827, village of Vesely Podil, Khorol Uyezd, Poltava province - October 29 [November 10] 1893, Chernigov) - Ukrainian writer and poet, publisher
        .
        Glebov turns to the fable genre while studying at the Nizhyn High School of Higher Sciences. He processes in Ukrainian the fables of Krylov (some of which, in turn, are the processing of fables of Lafontaine and Aesop). Then he publishes some of them in the newspaper “Chernigov Provincial Gazette”.
        Unfortunately, Valuev Circular banned the publication of all his works in Ukrainian ..
        In general, there is a 3 moment with its rattles ...
        I read various works in translation. Authors translating slightly modify and print. Also authorship.
    3. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 6 2020 12: 07 New
      -1
      Quote: begemot20091
      And look at the translation of Pushkin

      1. Avior
        Avior April 6 2020 12: 41 New
        +2
        This is a Soviet translation of 1953 from the four-volume Pushkin in Ukrainian.
        And what is wrong with the translation? Tereshchenko’s translation is not bad, by the way.
        Here, above, someone cited a translation of an unknown author; there it is clumsily translated.

        http://ocls.kyivlibs.org.ua/pushkin/perekladi_1/perekladi_1_pushkin.htm
        La Lucamor'ya oak is sowed;
        On an oak salted lantsug:
        I day and night night
        Pa lantsugu vyadze own circle;
        Idze on the right - special factory,
        On the left - the Cossack's swing.
        Throw the tsuda there: lyasun there hodzіts,
        Mermaid Mіzh Galіn Milіngne;
        There on uncharted darozah
        Zvyarў dzivosnyh trail lyzhyts;
        Hatsіnka on chicken legs
        Without wokan, without dzvarei staits;
        Praia there is a forest, dalins;
        There at the praise of hlynuts
        On the pryaskezhnyaya pyaski,
        І trytssts в vіyazyazў dancing
        Cargoy comes out with praise of beautiful,
        І з імі дзядька іx марскі;

        http://knihi.com/Alaksandar_Puskin/Ruslan_i_Ludmila.html
        smile
        1. major147
          major147 April 6 2020 13: 39 New
          -1
          Quote: Avior
          This is a Soviet translation of 1953 from the four-volume Pushkin in Ukrainian.
          And what is wrong with the translation? Tereshchenko’s translation is not bad, by the way.
          Here, above, someone cited a translation of an unknown author; there it is clumsily translated.

          http://ocls.kyivlibs.org.ua/pushkin/perekladi_1/perekladi_1_pushkin.htm
          La Lucamor'ya oak is sowed;
          On an oak salted lantsug:
          I day and night night
          Pa lantsugu vyadze own circle;
          Idze on the right - special factory,
          On the left - the Cossack's swing.
          Throw the tsuda there: lyasun there hodzіts,
          Mermaid Mіzh Galіn Milіngne;
          There on uncharted darozah
          Zvyarў dzivosnyh trail lyzhyts;
          Hatsіnka on chicken legs
          Without wokan, without dzvarei staits;
          Praia there is a forest, dalins;
          There at the praise of hlynuts
          On the pryaskezhnyaya pyaski,
          І trytssts в vіyazyazў dancing
          Cargoy comes out with praise of beautiful,
          І з імі дзядька іx марскі;

          http://knihi.com/Alaksandar_Puskin/Ruslan_i_Ludmila.html
          smile

          But is this not Belarusian?
          1. Avior
            Avior April 6 2020 14: 10 New
            +2
            Belarusian, of course, I'm just for clarity smile
            I thought it was easily recognized, so I just gave the link
            1. major147
              major147 April 6 2020 17: 46 New
              -1
              Quote: Avior
              Belarusian, of course, I'm just for clarity smile
              I thought it was easily recognized, so I just gave the link

              org.ua/ - embarrassed.
              1. Avior
                Avior April 6 2020 17: 55 New
                +1
                Do you think you can find normal Ukrainian translations not in wa?
                this is the site of the Ukrainian library named after Pushkin from Kiev
                CENTRAL DISTRICT BIBLIOTEKA
                im. O.S. PUSHKINA

                where else to look for translations of Pushkin, if not there
                http://ocls.kyivlibs.org.ua/pushkin/golovna_pushkin.htm
                hi
            2. Moon
              Moon April 6 2020 23: 39 New
              0
              Quote: Avior
              I thought it was easily recognized, so I just gave the link

              It's okay to read and so

              I’m even clearer than in Belarusian.
              Ivan Yakovlevich Bilibin translates well
      2. Kushka
        Kushka April 6 2020 13: 46 New
        +4
        You can talk a lot about the politics of Poland, Ukraine, Belarus .-
        and at the same time have any point of view
        But laughing at "zapalki" (matches), or "tsyagnik" (steam locomotive) is
        below the baseboard. Do not fall.
        1. Avior
          Avior April 6 2020 14: 13 New
          +3
          Are you talking about the Belarusian translation?
          neither Belarusian nor Ukrainian looks funny to me.
          I’m just for the sake of clarity that Pushkin was being translated and is being translated, it’s not surprising that in Ukrainian too.
          If it causes a smile, it is Czech with its unexpected meanings of familiar words. smile
          1. Crimean partisan 1974
            Crimean partisan 1974 April 6 2020 22: 03 New
            0
            so it’s Czech with its unexpected meanings of familiar words ....... yeah. for example, in the film, the shnemik participated. ... loves the Mice. Matzal Cats Onge Gavkal ...... yes. those are still polyandras ... four poles of Georgians and a dog
          2. Moon
            Moon April 6 2020 23: 45 New
            0
            Quote: Avior
            I’m just for the sake of clarity that Pushkin was being translated and is being translated, it’s not surprising that in Ukrainian too.

            Yes, all world authors are translated into different languages. And only for the cheers of the patriots the translation into Ukrainian causes some kind of incomprehensible excitement. As if the sky fell to the earth.
            Probably everyone reads in the original ..
            Even Pushkin in sign language!
            And Shakespeare, and Mark Twain, and Jules Verne, and Kant and Cervantes, and Dante with Rodari ....
    4. Kushka
      Kushka April 6 2020 12: 53 New
      +1
      But Georgian, Korean translation did not try.
      Suddenly like it.
  • Python 57
    Python 57 April 6 2020 09: 48 New
    +2
    Neither the US nor Russia absolutely need to develop Chinese aircraft engine building! They lag behind and let it remain so. The Chinese only need technology. The Americans are trying to stop this leak. To the great pleasure of Russia. And Zaporizhzhya hard workers did not shine from the beginning. No one would employ them. They would just take out the documentation and that's it!
  • bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 April 6 2020 09: 55 New
    0
    The author correctly writes that the main asset of Motor Sich is design documentation and the main specialists in aircraft engine building. And Russia began to work on these as soon as the President announced import substitution. And some of the specialists began to move to Russia, naturally with technical documentation. The Chinese also got something, but not the main thing. Well, no one was interested in the walls and buildings.
  • Operator
    Operator April 6 2020 10: 07 New
    -2
    In business - the state "Ukroboronprom" for 60 years donates documentation to the private "Motor Sich", which has been skimming the cream off it for 15 years, and now wants to sell state property on its own behalf, either to the United States or to China laughing
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra April 6 2020 10: 42 New
    -4
    There was still news. that a plant is being demolished and a new one is being built in a clean field, and it’s not clear where it’s worth a penny from) There’s no money to maintain efficiency, but supposedly to build a huge new plant wink
  • BAI
    BAI April 6 2020 11: 18 New
    0
    "Motor Sich", so do not get to anyone

    Also not a bad option.
  • Valentin spagis
    Valentin spagis April 6 2020 11: 48 New
    +1
    The situation is very simple. A strong Ukraine with a powerful high-tech industry is not only not necessary for everyone, but also dangerous. NATO countries need an agricultural semi-colony, like a banana republic, which will depend on them. And Russia certainly does not need it, since it is a Russian-Russian country.
  • Sinner
    Sinner April 6 2020 12: 01 New
    -1
    The Americans have already looked through all the technical documentation, which, as written in the article, are the Chinese interested in?
  • Kushka
    Kushka April 6 2020 12: 47 New
    +2
    What distinguished Nikolaev shipbuilding (TAKR) from this plant.
    He was blown away by the wind and today no one remembers him. Little of,
    Nikolaev city is still in place, but cars are under the porches
    soon they will put on the tops of the trees, the full city of Porsche, BMW,
    and other Lexus. For Zaporozhye, I generally keep quiet, there are caddilaks, as
    Kirill, as before the Cossacks (humpbacked is now a rarity-rarity)
    Looks like it was for Boguslaev alone, then he didn’t get out of Yanukovych.
    Since then, no one needs it in Ukraine for nothing - isn't this obvious?
    "Zaliv", Motor Sich "," Antonov "and the fate of Ukraine are two non-intersecting
    branches. Rather, they intersect as well as the fate of Kiev and its 5th taxi fleet.
  • iouris
    iouris April 6 2020 12: 57 New
    +1
    Question: The Russian Federation is not interested in acquiring its largest supplier of aircraft engines?
    1. Kushka
      Kushka April 6 2020 13: 34 New
      +1
      Well, it’s obvious (and pulls to shout, I’m understandable !!) Russia + Ukraine,
      this is TAKR, this is Mriya, this is space, this is SS-20 at last. But Yeltsin with Kui
      this apparently was not obvious. (About Yanukovych, Poroshenko, Zelensky here
      it’s not at all) Not only that - Putin and Lukashenko, as we see it
      also not obvious. Apparently, it’s like alcoholism - people know where it leads,
      but they are stubbornly behaving along this path, with both locksmiths and academics.
      If noticed, I blame in pairs. I have a "hockey approach" - they did it -
      judge punishes BOTH. Blaming one is not fair and, most importantly
      not productive. "It's not my fault, he started first" - this is for children.
      As a rule, both parties are to blame. Those who suggest endlessly blaming one
      side - leads nowhere - this is a dead end. What we have been observing for 30 years.
      1. iouris
        iouris April 6 2020 16: 01 New
        0
        Quote: Kushka
        leads nowhere - it's a dead end.

        This is not a dead end. In a dead end, you can stand on the siding. It's like putting your head on the tracks and waiting: "Well, when, well, sooner!"
        1. Kushka
          Kushka April 6 2020 18: 23 New
          0
          I do not mean that. And to the fact that the peoples contain politicians, so that they
          AGREED. This is their WORK. Here Kohl agreed with
          Gorbachev - and so he will be remembered by Germany and the whole world. Politicians
          agreed on Ireland (remember tanks on the streets, IRA attacks).
          If politicians DO NOT AGREE - this is called
          SUITABILITY. Flag (broom) in hand and choose others.
          An example is England, Israel. Second parliamentary elections, third,
          but at least the fourth in a month - they sat down - did not agree; they stood up - to the exit.
          And when Putin and Saakashvili didn’t agree - war - so they will
          in history. Putin and Yushchenko ("Mazurik") - Have the Brotherly Nations Brought Together?
          No, the result is the opposite - both score count.
          Putin - Poroshenko - what is the result - the war - another count.
          And when the president DOES NOT TALK (with a Georgian, but at least with kerosene),
          Is he at work or a touchy young lady? I repeat - this is my rebuke
          BOTH parties. You can blame one side for many years and praise
          another, will there be a positive result from this and how many years will it
          need to wait? Do you agree that you would like to build a garage
          30 years? And will you consider these guys 30 years fit for professional?
  • Strashila
    Strashila April 6 2020 13: 50 New
    -1
    It seems that the Chinese are only interested in planting for seed, they have obviously received all that is needed according to the documentation and who has to be lured.
  • Mestny
    Mestny April 6 2020 14: 01 New
    -5
    Quote: Lipchanin
    It's just that I'm tired of listening to the mantra about "capitalism is to blame for everything" on the Military site to the place and not the place, while hushing up the "merits" of socialism.
    It seems that people were stuck in the 20th century

    Not stuck of course, but vice versa.
    Everything here is based on the fact that those who really remember what Soviet socialism is all the less. A generation has grown that was not even born in the 90s, but already in the XNUMXst century. These people know about the USSR only from the Internet, or at best from newspapers of those years.
    The authors of "collapse from within" first had a so-called. a liberal project in which modern Russia was presented as a bulwark of totalitarianism led by dictator Putin - as opposed to the still free West.
    Say, all the same in Russia they did not follow the path of real freedom. But it failed miserably, largely due to the results of the "work" of these same liberals in the 90s. For the majority, the word liberal is now a dirty word.
    But, no one canceled the task of collapse from the inside.
    And then another project arises - the "communist" one, based on a total lie about wonderful socialism.
    Of all the irons, lies lie about how beautiful the USSR was and what a terrible modern Russia was. The moans that nothing is being done at all in Russia, all that has been done is done in the USSR, and the damned authorities only use it. In this project, Putin is already the other way around, represented by an ultra-liberal.
    Naturally, like the previous one, this project implies the destruction of the existing country by the hands of its own citizens, only under the slogans of striving for the so-called social justice.
    It is no longer possible for most young people to verify the information on which this new mythology is based. Too much volume, too many years have passed. Most, as always, make such efforts to clarify the truth is not possible.
    Accordingly, the authors of the new collapse have high hopes for the implementation of plans.
    It’s clear that it’s used - an indestructible desire to get everything just like that (communists instilled in the people for many generations to come)
    There is only one thing that can stop this - the new "communists" did nothing, did nothing, and will not do anything, I am sure of that). If the "liberals" still ruled the country, with disastrous results, then these systematically poured out all the opportunities to gain power.
    It's simple - they don’t just need power somewhere in the region. In order to build roads, kindergartens, factories, and show everyone what a communist manager is.
    They need everything. You need to grab everything at once. Everything that is built and done.
    And if capitalism at least does not hide such intentions, but somehow it exists nevertheless for 300 years - these are covered by the reinforced concrete ideology of "justice", which initially did not work, the mossy theory of bearded German Jews.
  • NordUral
    NordUral April 6 2020 14: 43 New
    -2
    And why were such enterprises and design bureaus laid in Ukraine? Was there little space in the RSFSR?
    1. iouris
      iouris April 6 2020 16: 25 New
      0
      Both the RSFSR and the Ukrainian SSR were - "Russia". The division of the USSR is a brain problem.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral April 6 2020 18: 25 New
        +1
        I did not have brain problems, but those who destroyed the Union.
  • NF68
    NF68 April 6 2020 16: 21 New
    +1
    What is left of this "Motor Sich"? Remnants of the luxury of the past, which no one really needs anymore.
    1. iouris
      iouris April 6 2020 16: 43 New
      0
      Quote: NF68
      Remains of the luxury of the past, which no one really needs.

      I don’t know, but do we need An-124?
      1. NF68
        NF68 April 6 2020 16: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: iouris
        Quote: NF68
        Remains of the luxury of the past, which no one really needs.

        I don’t know, but do we need An-124?


        Perhaps they are needed. But just not that junk that after all the rides in Ukraine left.
  • Den717
    Den717 April 6 2020 17: 15 New
    +3
    It seems that the word "collapse" is beginning to take on a direct meaning for the enterprise.

    In principle, the news does not upset. It is time to level and pave the plant. The industrial prosperity of the Bandera state will not do us any good. Rather, the opposite. It remains to finally bury Antonov, Zorya ”-“ Mashproekt ”and Yuzhmash. And you can nail the door on the border with Ukraine.
  • Alexfly
    Alexfly April 6 2020 17: 48 New
    -2
    Only vyndals break memorial plaques for one or another perished and departed tribesmen. If you don't like it, you have to take it off and put it in another, maybe more suitable place But Motor Sich is very sorry that such a manufacturer is bent .... Wrong ..
  • Pavel skaletski
    Pavel skaletski April 6 2020 20: 52 New
    +1
    For the Yankees: they do not need this concern; they need to remove the competitor in the person of China and Ukraine; the rest will be bought in scrap metal.
  • IL-64
    IL-64 April 6 2020 23: 53 New
    0
    As I understand it, it is important that Russia, through its Chinese partners, could not get access to the documentation on engines
  • ZaharoFF
    ZaharoFF April 7 2020 08: 59 New
    +1
    They will saw it up and take it apart like other enterprises - this is the legacy of the "scoop" - everything needs to be demolished. What was left of a more developed country could not even be preserved, let the trident of "brick structures" be assembled and the anthem should be sung. And they don't need design documentation. They still don't know what to do with it. I wouldn't be surprised if they burn it down and dance around the fire.
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  • boris epstein
    boris epstein April 7 2020 17: 35 New
    +1
    When trying to sit on two chairs, a fart usually breaks. Moreover, neither China nor the United States likes to be thrown away.
  • Bukhryakov Alexander Vasilievich
    Bukhryakov Alexander Vasilievich April 11 2020 15: 21 New
    0
    Ivchenko’s engines are certainly not bad, but Lotarev’s engines will be better. This is what design bureau would have to be transferred to Russia