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“They completely defeated Russia”: the 93rd brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces transfers “Turkish experience”

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The command of the 93rd separate mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine "Kholodny Yar" shared the adopted "stratagems" - the rules of warfare, following which is able to ensure victory over the enemy.


According to him, the compound is armed with high-precision models of modern anti-tank weaponswhich allegedly "constantly proves its dexterity" in the fight against Russian troops. Having decided to bring the experience gained in the battles into the mass of soldiers, the ATGM calculations were instructed to teach ordinary infantrymen the art of owning the corresponding products. It is believed that in the end, fighters at the forefront will be able to independently use anti-tank systems.

The command argues its decision by the need for widespread introduction of “high technology” into the army. The operation "Spring Shield" is given as an example: it is alleged that then "the Turkish army with the help of shock drones utterly defeated Russian equipment in Syria."

Soviet norms of expenditures of BC, when shells literally bombarded the enemy, and not aiming, are a thing of the past. For Ukraine, this is a great luxury. Therefore, the future lies with high-precision weapons and specialists who know how to use them.

- noted in the 93rd brigade, while ignoring the high cost of ATGMs.

At the same time, the “transfer of the Turkish experience” remains unclear, given the fact that Idlib of the Turkish Armed Forces used shock drones, and in this case we are talking about ATGM.

On the Facebook page assigned to it, there are photos of the anti-tank weapons armed with this compound, which, judging by the command, in the conditions of the collapse of the Ukrainian army have already turned into a high-tech.


ATGM "Stugna-P" design KB "Luch"



SPTRK "Amulet" on the chassis of the BRDM-2 KB "Luch"



ATGM “Corsair” Design Bureau “Luch”



Soviet anti-tank systems "Metis" and "Corsair"



The warhead of the Soviet SPTRK "Competition" on the BRDM-2 chassis



SPTRK on chassis CF moto TRACKER
Photos used:
https://www.facebook.com/93OMBr/
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  1. Magic archer
    Magic archer April 5 2020 16: 41 New
    69
    One Atovian approaches another and asks, what kind of boiler did you fight in? Briefly about the "power and strength" ukrovsk wassat
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U April 5 2020 16: 53 New
      27
      Complementing the "intellectual power"
      Soviet norms of expenditures of BC, when shells literally bombarded the enemy, and not aiming, are a thing of the past. For Ukraine, this is a great luxury. Therefore, the future lies with high-precision weapons and specialists who know how to use them.
      Therefore, they will fall asleep not with shells, they are few, but with ATGMs, they are even smaller.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin April 5 2020 17: 05 New
        34
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Therefore, they will fall asleep not with shells, they are few, but with ATGMs, they are even smaller.

        They have worse
        1. major147
          major147 April 5 2020 22: 22 New
          +4
          [quote = Lipchanin] Lipchanin (Sergey) Today, 17:05 NEW
          Two companies or three companies are “destroyed” - it depends on the strength of the previously drunk! request
      2. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer April 5 2020 17: 33 New
        13
        Given the fact that one rocket costs 500 Bandera tugriks, very dubious savings.
        1. Bumblebee_3
          Bumblebee_3 April 5 2020 17: 51 New
          14
          Termi NahTer (Nikolai)
          No matter how much they cost, they still apply. An article on VO a little earlier:
          "Ukrainian security forces used anti-tank systems in the Kalinovo area and carried out the transfer of armored vehicles to the OOS zone
          I think that besides recycling banderlogov, there is no other way. Regarding "dubious savings" - they will always find someone to rob
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin April 5 2020 17: 55 New
            +7
            Quote: Bumblebee_3
            they will always find someone to rob

            1. Paul Siebert
              Paul Siebert April 5 2020 18: 57 New
              15
              Quote: Lipchanin
              Quote: Bumblebee_3
              they will always find someone to rob


              This is "Mad Max" in Ukrainian ... laughing
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin April 5 2020 19: 36 New
                +3
                Quote: Paul Siebert
                This is "Mad Max" in Ukrainian ...

                And if you give him that? laughing
                1. Paul Siebert
                  Paul Siebert April 5 2020 19: 39 New
                  +6
                  None of the Mad Mad Max staff members would dare to do this!
                  Svidomochny greed as it is ...
                  I don’t bite ... laughing
                  1. Lipchanin
                    Lipchanin April 5 2020 19: 50 New
                    +8
                    Quote: Paul Siebert
                    I don’t bite it, I’ll bite it.

                2. PSih2097
                  PSih2097 April 5 2020 21: 46 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  And if you give him that?

                  Well Volga, she’s so ... Gazelle will envy ...
              2. Prisoner
                Prisoner April 5 2020 19: 36 New
                +1
                Then Mad Panas. hi
                1. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin April 5 2020 20: 17 New
                  0
                  With the prefix "Marauder"
              3. Fantazer911
                Fantazer911 April 5 2020 20: 27 New
                -18
                She's a greedy, insane marauder cozap!
                1. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin April 5 2020 20: 46 New
                  0
                  Yes, essentially the same thing
                2. Fantazer911
                  Fantazer911 April 5 2020 23: 09 New
                  -7
                  The minuses went, the first wave of marauders!
                  1. Yok Migarek
                    Yok Migarek April 6 2020 10: 13 New
                    +3
                    А
                    Quote: Fantazer911
                    The minuses went, the first wave of marauders!

                    And do you expect that for nonsense you will put pluses?
                    1. Fantazer911
                      Fantazer911 April 6 2020 10: 22 New
                      -3
                      If you don’t like koment, then pass by, as I understand it, and if I minus then I write for what!
              4. phair
                phair April 6 2020 00: 36 New
                0
                Safari shorty sd 33 reliable dviglo. I don’t know about gasoline. Did not own.
              5. LeftPers
                LeftPers April 6 2020 07: 24 New
                +1
                Mad Maksyuk
            2. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine April 5 2020 20: 25 New
              +8
              These our heroes chopped off the tail of fascism.
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin April 5 2020 20: 48 New
                22
                Quote: tihonmarine
                These our heroes chopped off the tail of fascism.

                1. tuts
                  tuts April 6 2020 07: 47 New
                  +2
                  they are on the other side of the photo
                  1. tihonmarine
                    tihonmarine April 6 2020 09: 22 New
                    +1
                    Quote: tots
                    they are on the other side of the photo

                    They were not even allowed on the other side of the photo. Wrong item.
                2. aftbreeze
                  aftbreeze April 6 2020 13: 53 New
                  -1
                  Did you study at school? That's right - a trident!
                  1. ANB
                    ANB April 7 2020 22: 55 New
                    0
                    All right. The right trident. But for some reason Bandera’s trident.
                    1. aftbreeze
                      aftbreeze April 15 2020 18: 38 New
                      0
                      Tse on hohlyatsky!
          2. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer April 5 2020 19: 21 New
            +3
            Apply then apply, only the budget for Banderland is “not rubber”. Firing a rocket of such a cost in a car or a dugout, provided that it is not known whether someone is empty or not, is short-lived before default.
      3. Second pilot
        Second pilot April 6 2020 01: 53 New
        +2
        Well, nothing. The photos are so beautiful.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine April 6 2020 09: 27 New
          0
          Quote: Second Pilot
          Well, nothing. The photos are so beautiful.

          Yeah, they pulled a racket, and all of Ukraine was left for a month without medical masks.
      4. Mikhail Ezhikov
        Mikhail Ezhikov April 7 2020 23: 25 New
        0
        I think with words they will fall asleep, with words! And from around the corner!
    2. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter April 5 2020 16: 57 New
      17
      "The Turkish army with the help of shock drones utterly defeated Russian equipment in Syria."

      Oriental tales. But someone used to ride on the ears and can not do otherwise. What Assad could not be discarded as promised or have not promised? They gave the word, they took the word away.
      Balabalism in one word.
      ATGM calculations were instructed to train ordinary infantrymen in the art of owning the corresponding products.

      And what is the innovation, or have not used ATGMs before?
      The photo immediately shows the level of the "high-tech" army. Homeless people with ATGMs.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin April 5 2020 17: 06 New
        +8
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        The photo shows the level of the "high-tech" army right away.

        1. 4ekist
          4ekist April 5 2020 17: 28 New
          +6
          Bosots, they are bosots. What can be discussed here.
        2. major147
          major147 April 5 2020 22: 25 New
          +1
          Quote: Lipchanin
          level of "high-tech" army

          It can move off the asphalt !?
    3. Yang yangov
      Yang yangov April 5 2020 17: 04 New
      17
      "Therefore, the future - for high-precision weapons and specialists who know how to use it" - it is difficult to disagree with this .. just how does this apply to the APU ??
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine April 5 2020 20: 32 New
        +5
        Quote: Yang Yangov
        Therefore, the future lies with precision weapons

        What a problem, they’ll sell the land now, buy a couple of dozens of high-tech Jewels, put their teeth on the shelf, and ride in pots with a mask on the face. Kirdyk outskirts, inshalla.
    4. mavrus
      mavrus April 5 2020 19: 55 New
      0
      Nothing ... The law was adopted.
      We’ll sell the Ukrainian fellow infection. And if you’ve got bagato ammunition ... And if you want to shoot at a rag.
    5. Dmitry Zhuravlev
      Dmitry Zhuravlev April 6 2020 00: 53 New
      0
      I personally attended, a lot is not true, but most are true, let's talk?
  2. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith April 5 2020 16: 43 New
    +9
    Who smashed whom in Ukrainian wet dreams?))

    The Soviet standards of expenditures of the BC, when shells literally bombarded the enemy, and not aiming, are a thing of the past. For Ukraine, this is a great luxury.


    So tell me - we are damned homeless people and expensive BC we can not afford.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 5 2020 17: 09 New
      10
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      So tell me - we are damned homeless people and expensive BC we can not afford.

      Well, if only this
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith April 5 2020 17: 11 New
        +9
        Tachanka-Rostov)))
        Mokik "Prdunya" laughing
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin April 5 2020 17: 23 New
          +1
          Quote: Lord of the Sith
          Tachanka-Rostov)))
          Mokik "Prdunya" laughing

          Are you scared? laughing
          1. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith April 5 2020 17: 25 New
            10
            Highly. Already sweated. Don't show anymore such a powerful technique, the fruit of developing a gloomy genius laughing
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin April 5 2020 17: 29 New
              +2
              Quote: Lord of the Sith
              Highly. Already sweated. Don't show anymore such a powerful technique, the fruit of developing a gloomy genius laughing

              Well then I'll scare
              1. Lord of the Sith
                Lord of the Sith April 5 2020 17: 35 New
                +5
                Iron Caput)))
                1. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin April 5 2020 17: 38 New
                  0
                  And this is a promising project
                  1. Lord of the Sith
                    Lord of the Sith April 5 2020 17: 45 New
                    +1
                    Armored hoof mountain-underwater all-weather shushpanzer)))
                    1. Lipchanin
                      Lipchanin April 5 2020 17: 59 New
                      0
                      And this is a PR company
              2. Albert1988
                Albert1988 April 5 2020 18: 31 New
                +1
                Quote: Lipchanin
                Well then I'll scare

                Eeeeee! No need here! The Space Marine Landrader has nothing to do with these yellow-black heretics!
                They exclusively have this kind of thing "produced":
                1. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin April 5 2020 19: 40 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Albert1988
                  They exclusively have this kind of thing "produced":

                  And such

                  And this is the driver
                  1. Albert1988
                    Albert1988 April 10 2020 12: 46 New
                    0
                    Now this is more like the truth))))
        2. major147
          major147 April 5 2020 22: 30 New
          +4
          Quote: Lord of the Sith
          Tachanka-Rostov)))

          Here’s a Tachanka Rostov! And "that" - twisted crap with tape!
      2. Aviator_
        Aviator_ April 5 2020 19: 31 New
        +2
        Did the Sumerians still have Tula scooters from the middle of the last century "Ant" left? Not otherwise than from the strategic reserve was re-opened.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin April 5 2020 19: 53 New
          +2
          Quote: Aviator_
          Not otherwise than from the strategic reserve was re-opened.

          Or stole
  3. 1976AG
    1976AG April 5 2020 16: 47 New
    10
    Brains must be attached to any weapon, so there is clearly a shortage in the APU ...
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter April 5 2020 17: 00 New
      +6
      Are you talking about the army? They have a shortage in the top positions, but you want the army to have a set.
      1. 1976AG
        1976AG April 5 2020 17: 04 New
        +7
        On the contrary, it is beneficial for us that they have a brain deficit.
      2. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin April 5 2020 17: 23 New
        +7
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        there are not enough staff in top positions, and you want the kit to be in the army.

        But there are more admirals than ships laughing
      3. orionvitt
        orionvitt April 5 2020 18: 08 New
        +3
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        They have a shortage in top positions, and you want the army to have a set.

        The army is a mirror image of the state.
  4. rocket757
    rocket757 April 5 2020 16: 48 New
    11
    Some have delirium from the morning, others at night.
    There are those who "rolls" around the clock.
    The author described an obvious example of this phenomenon.
  5. Machete
    Machete April 5 2020 16: 49 New
    +8
    I am embarrassed to ask: why is this propaganda of the APU here?
    Especially with such nonsense again about the broken divisions of armored horse divers?

    Are you going to open the blog "Everyday punitive?"
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter April 5 2020 17: 02 New
      +4
      With such landscapes and funny faces in the photo, it’s rather an anti-propaganda campaign. Horror story horror movie.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin April 5 2020 17: 25 New
        10
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        With such landscapes and faces in the photo, it is more likely an anti-propaganda.

        Here are the real "heroes" laughing
        1. YOUR
          YOUR April 6 2020 03: 37 New
          +1
          They aim at each other's eggs.
          I wonder why? What was the reason for this?
  6. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy April 5 2020 16: 50 New
    +3
    Having decided to bring the experience gained in the battles into the mass of soldiers, the ATGM calculations were instructed to teach ordinary infantrymen the art of owning the corresponding products. It is believed that in the end, fighters at the forefront will be able to independently use anti-tank systems.
    And they will give a shoot! And then art of ownership not to see the brigade commander for a long time. However, there the goal is different. Crow? request
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 5 2020 17: 11 New
      +7
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      And they will give a shoot!

      So? lol
  7. Cowbra
    Cowbra April 5 2020 17: 00 New
    +7
    6 years without days off every day they win ... They all won, Shoigu and Putin personally twice as many, and neither Donbass nor Crimea can be seen laughing
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG April 5 2020 17: 12 New
      +5
      Quote: Cowbra
      6 years without days off every day they win ... They all won, Shoigu and Putin personally twice as many, and neither Donbass nor Crimea can be seen laughing

      They would have freed the Donbass, but their Great Ukrainian Wall stopped ...
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra April 5 2020 17: 18 New
        +6
        Quote: 1976AG
        Great Ukrainian Wall

        ... vernacular - "Rabbit Tyn" laughing
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 5 2020 17: 13 New
      +4
      Quote: Cowbra
      6 years without days off every day they win ... Everyone won, Shoigu and Putin personally twice as much,

      1. Peter is not the first
        Peter is not the first April 5 2020 19: 12 New
        +4
        Very soon we will end with such calculations! :) And the submarines already left us in 2014 and we now have thousandth negative numbers. "Great" Gerashchensky Eurovoin.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin April 5 2020 19: 57 New
          0
          They still have a tricky plan.
        2. major147
          major147 April 5 2020 22: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: Peter is not the first
          Very soon we will end with such calculations! :)

          Already! Are over crying Let's go to the second round! request
  8. Proton
    Proton April 5 2020 17: 08 New
    10
    Judging by how the weapons are held laughing to entrust them with a scrap metal, terribly, they will be slaughtered, and not that some
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov April 5 2020 17: 13 New
      11
      Quote: Proton
      Judging by the way they hold weapons laughing, they trust them to slice them scary, they will slaughter themselves, not that some

      At they are looking for a rocket
      Like "b ... lin, just turned away ..."

      TPK on the launcher is empty.
    2. Cowbra
      Cowbra April 5 2020 17: 21 New
      +9
      Hold - okay. Spread already, lay out again
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin April 5 2020 17: 35 New
        +3
        Masterpiece !!!! D. ebelism rolls over laughing
        1. 4ekist
          4ekist April 5 2020 19: 29 New
          +2
          It seems to me that the video is staged. Even a bear can be taught to ride a bike and a monkey to play the guitar. And it’s just fooling around, but still morons.
          1. Vasya Zyuzkin
            Vasya Zyuzkin April 5 2020 19: 55 New
            +5
            Do not stop!))))) There are those who can’t walk in the foot and start without standing. And here is a clear sign of pokuizma medical commission! And this is really dangerous for his colleagues. He is sure to get into the charger when it isn’t. And maybe not to the charger.
          2. Cowbra
            Cowbra April 5 2020 19: 58 New
            +2
            Such videos from the APU dofig. There are also performances, but obviously not all. In general, any resident of Ukraine will tell you that raguli is distinguished by "intelligence and quick wits." They can chop off abruptly))) I personally observed one who could not open a pack of cigarettes - it’s sealed! So he bit off the top of the pack with his teeth, sits contented like a boa constrictor - he got to cigarettes. Sober ... Just a fool wink
      2. 4ekist
        4ekist April 5 2020 17: 39 New
        +3
        One thing I want to say is morons.
      3. YOUR
        YOUR April 6 2020 03: 42 New
        +2
        He doesn’t want the kid to go to war, so he’s fooling around. Would you take one? Yes, in the kitchen to drag slops, look after pigs, nothing more. This is what it is doing. Just not in the trenches.
        Great characterizes patriotism and the desire of Donbass to return.
    3. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 5 2020 20: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: Proton
      Judging by how the weapons are held

    4. Grits
      Grits April 6 2020 12: 55 New
      +1
      Quote: Proton
      Judging by how they hold weapons laughing, they trust the scruff of the toast

      As the "partners" taught in Yavorsky, they keep it that way.
  9. NF68
    NF68 April 5 2020 17: 17 New
    +7
    Be sure to share how to get into one boiler after another. And as you there in the tail and mane hollow do not forget to tell.
  10. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 5 2020 17: 29 New
    +5
    I don’t even want to prove something to dolbyotyaly, all the same, these banderlogs do not understand anything in human language.
  11. Dart2027
    Dart2027 April 5 2020 17: 36 New
    +3
    I am generally surprised by all this hype around the ATGM. Sense from them?
    That is, why they are intended for this is understandable, but after all, the DNR and LNR armed forces will not conduct any offensive operations in the foreseeable future, simply because there are few of them, and therefore there will be no tank attacks on the positions of the AFU, so there will be no practical benefit there are no such "Javelins".
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov April 5 2020 17: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: Dart2027
      I am generally surprised by all this hype around the ATGM. Sense from them?

      I'm afraid you are somewhat misjudging the role of anti-tank systems.
      This is not some kind of defense against TNCs.

      This is a means of attack. Able to hit with precision any point target.
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 April 5 2020 18: 13 New
        0
        Quote: Spade
        This is a means of attack. Able to hit with precision any point target.

        In this case, there really can be some sense from them, but even in this case there is more hype than threats.
      2. tatarin1972
        tatarin1972 April 5 2020 20: 26 New
        +1
        I agree. You could say so -PTRK is a long-range sniper rifle.
        1. KCA
          KCA April 6 2020 07: 57 New
          +1
          A rifle is good, the cost of a Jewelin shot is $ 70, a shot from SVD with a target cartridge of 000 cents, a shot from SVLK-50S is more expensive, but not at all a thousand dollars
          1. tatarin1972
            tatarin1972 April 6 2020 12: 43 New
            0
            And how much is the life of a soldier? 9M111 was still used in Afghanistan to destroy machine gun fire points of dushmans. In general, the war itself is an expensive undertaking.
            1. KCA
              KCA April 6 2020 13: 08 New
              0
              Well, I was still in school when the troops withdrew from Afghanistan, but there are doubts that the firing points were suppressed by cumulative missiles, pillboxes, bunkers, I still agree, but the machine gunner
              1. tatarin1972
                tatarin1972 April 6 2020 14: 59 New
                0
                Read the memoirs of Colonel Alexander Musienko. For a later period, Chechnya, in the magazine "Soldier of Fortune" was an article by Colonel Tsekhanovich, though there was a complex "Chrysanthemum".
              2. oprovergatel
                oprovergatel April 6 2020 15: 52 New
                0
                When ATGMs thought of using it as a long-range high-precision guided weapon, the developers immediately sawed off missiles with a high-explosive and high-explosive fragmentation warhead. Now, it seems, some ATGMs have missiles, even with warhead warheads.
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 5 2020 18: 02 New
      +2
      Yes, you forgot about the "achressor"?
      Was it a ditch that they were digging and building a fence?
      Russia, now, not the first year already, will attack
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ April 5 2020 19: 35 New
        +2
        Well, that reminded. Does anyone know how it is with the moat and fence at the border?
    3. asv363
      asv363 April 5 2020 18: 40 New
      +5
      Quote: Dart2027
      so there is no practical benefit from the same "Javelins".

      1. Write off;
      2. Hide;
      3. Sell.

      Benefit, maybe not, but there is a benefit.
  12. cniza
    cniza April 5 2020 17: 56 New
    +4
    At the same time, the “transfer of the Turkish experience” remains unclear, given the fact that Idlib of the Turkish Armed Forces used shock drones, and in this case we are talking about anti-tank systems.


    They believe that these are similar types of weapons. lol
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 April 5 2020 18: 12 New
      +7
      UAVs fly while there is no air defense.
      The heroes are babbling until the artillery works on them.
  13. Azazelo
    Azazelo April 5 2020 18: 03 New
    +5
    Well, yes .... how are they the first masters to shoot bullets from mortar shells here ... it’s interesting how many hours will Russia need for the Bandera army to cease to exist ....?
    1. 4ekist
      4ekist April 5 2020 19: 36 New
      +1
      Experience shows that not fast. They will scatter through the forests, make caches, dugouts and make night outings. In the afternoon they are peaceful inhabitants, and at night they are bandits. They were caught in the forests after the Second World War until the 60s.
      1. phair
        phair April 6 2020 00: 45 New
        +1
        in 73 but in Lithuania.
  14. Mechanocleap
    Mechanocleap April 5 2020 18: 11 New
    +6
    The golf machine and the SPTRK installed on it look cool) The only interesting thing is: can she shoot on the go, do these things rotate or not and will it fail if I shoot, in general it would be interesting to watch a video with her run on the training ground )))
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov April 5 2020 20: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: Mechnocleap
      The only interesting thing is: can she shoot on the go

      “Bassoons” and “Métis” cannot shoot on the move in principle, even if the guidance device is stabilized. For the wire will not give
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra April 5 2020 21: 09 New
        +1
        This is Stugna-P - semi-active guidance by laser or on a television channel. By the way, the guidance system is produced by SoyuznechGov, Minsk.
        In general, this is ukatayka. I recently wrote about her. You can start with the fact that the load capacity of the quadric is 230 kilos. Think for yourself - starting 15 kilos, 30 - 1 (one) rocket, two fighters - 200 kilos is the minimum. Where and how she can go is a mystery
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov April 5 2020 22: 53 New
          +1
          Quote: Cowbra
          This is Stugna-P

          This is in its purest form "bassoon"

          Quote: Cowbra
          Stugna-P - semi-active guidance by laser or on a television channel.

          There laser beam, as on the "Cornet"

          Quote: Cowbra
          By the way, the guidance system is produced by SoyuznechGov, Minsk.

          The control device of the Minsk development. "Bearing" A very good device, better than the "Cornet". At one time they could not agree with ours, we agreed with the Ukrainians. Because rockets were fired only in our country and in Ukraine.
          Now, as far as I heard, the Ukrainians of the Belarusians threw and didn’t just start producing them themselves, they shared technologies with Poles and Turks
      2. bk316
        bk316 April 5 2020 21: 55 New
        +1
        "Bassoons" and "Métis" can’t shoot on the go, in principle,

        Well, why they can’t, in principle they can. It doesn’t, yes. And it seems to me that it is precisely because of the guidance device because the competition can shoot from the water.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov April 5 2020 22: 45 New
          0
          Quote: bk316
          Well, why they can’t, in principle they can.

          The wire will break

          Quote: bk316
          because the competition can shoot from the water.

          But it won’t break in the water. Rather, the likelihood of such a low.
          1. bk316
            bk316 April 6 2020 15: 22 New
            +1
            Rather, the likelihood of such a low.

            This is what I’m saying that in principle can.
            If you go slowly and on the asphalt, it’s even very possible right on the target.
            And we broke the wires and in place. laughing
    2. tracer
      tracer April 6 2020 04: 01 New
      -1
      This is the cheapest crap. Rides generally not for long because of the quality of materials and assembly. Overseas they are sometimes bought but only for two years or a year. Because they rarely leave the repair and there again until the warranty does not care. Their famous salt-sweating or god knows than Chinese aluminum. Muffled self-tapping screws made of mild steel were screwed into it instead of bolts. Tin. But they don’t need to live like this for so long.
      1. Timeout
        Timeout April 13 2020 02: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: tracer
        This is the cheapest crap

        Ehhh, the "tracer" ... Almost all of Asia, Latin America, and North America ride this cheap crap CF moto does not disdain.
        Quote: tracer
        Overseas they are sometimes bought but only for two years or a year.
        Only in one, “yours” Canada there are 20 dealers. And demand, as you know, creates supply.
        Quote: tracer
        Because they rarely leave the repair and there again until the warranty does not care.

        Well, yes, a 5-year warranty, and why have the Chinese still not gone bankrupt?
        Quote: tracer
        Their famous salt-sweating or god knows than Chinese aluminum. Muffled self-tapping screws made of mild steel were screwed into it instead of bolts. Tin. But they don’t need to live like this for so long.

        Is this a personal experience? Or again, "Polish PM"?
        1. tracer
          tracer April 13 2020 02: 54 New
          -3

          Well, what again did it? This is the Polish Makarov. A CF moto shit, but you're crazy about him. I sneeze who drives a CF moto better it won’t. Well, let's howl that this is not PM, howl that DOES NOT HAPPEN, howl that juggling and photo-editing. In technology, as well versed in weapons. You are on the magnet.
          1. Timeout
            Timeout April 13 2020 03: 42 New
            +2
            Quote: tracer
            Well, what again did it?

            Once again, the "tracer", again, the diaper did not help you? And a connoisseur of English literature ...
            Can I help you? It is written "Polish R-64", but "Makarov" is the type of cartridge used. Well, you're just a genius! Drop the screen from Youtube, but without a full comment, so I’ll restore the gap
            And then you can at least get out of the foam, talking about the Polish "PM".
            Quote: tracer
            A CF moto shit, but you're crazy about him. I sneeze who drives a CF moto better it won’t.

            Psychologists state that if a person does not have any thing or its analogue, then he tries in every possible way to belittle qualities, or to lie about his possession. What is not a diagnosis?
            Quote: tracer
            In technology, as well versed in weapons. You are on the magnet.

            Here I am laughing !! TT 1956 recall? And I only use facts. You can change the diaper.
            1. tracer
              tracer April 13 2020 04: 16 New
              -3
              Look at the disassembler, you change yourself a magnetic deflector. In addition, I talked about 53 years or 54 I do not remember, and you're talking about 56. Which, in principle, is not the point. Well, a mistake for a year, so what? You whined that I don’t have it at all magnetic you stuck. Well, what do you call then? Oh, the deflector is right for you. And then look at the gun. There are small differences. But not the point. This is what I had in mind .And you are verbiage of hollow-bones. The deflector is magnetic.
              1. Timeout
                Timeout April 13 2020 11: 16 New
                +2
                Quote: tracer
                In addition, I talked about 53 years or 54 I do not remember, and you're talking about 56. Which, in principle, is not the point. Well, a mistake for a year, so what?

                Sure. As well as the age of their sons to forget. What is this talking about? About just forgetting your lies. Link to Screen about TT. https://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2019-06/1560214509_tt.jpg
                Quote: tracer
                You whined that I don’t have it
                You constantly whine, run to the administration with burning tears. And I argued and affirm that no.
                Quote: tracer
                About the deflector

                What does aerodynamics have to do with it? Does this mean that you don’t throw guano at the fan?
                Quote: tracer
                And then look at the gun.

                And what to look at him? The author of the video himself says that there is only a cartridge from PM
    3. Egor-dis
      Egor-dis April 27 2020 18: 25 New
      0
      Quote: Mechnocleap
      The only interesting thing is: can she shoot on the go,

      She can’t shoot while standing still. Rather, you can make a shot, but getting into it is highly doubtful.
  15. ermak124.0
    ermak124.0 April 5 2020 18: 29 New
    +2
    Is it really something ???
  16. wow
    wow April 5 2020 18: 32 New
    +3
    Hoopoes are sad .....
  17. APASUS
    APASUS April 5 2020 18: 36 New
    0
    Somehow I can’t catch the relationship between the availability of weapons and fighting spirit! I mean the fact that those who are unable to pay silence fall into the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
  18. Moon
    Moon April 5 2020 20: 22 New
    -5
    Not a single comment on the topic ..
    Really on the subject of ATGMs and their concentration in certain areas where they fire even at loners and single cars - nothing to say *
    Military review is all the same ... and not Yaplakal.
    This is the bottom, comrades, but even on Yaplakal there are better comments than those that I read here on a military site ...
    Is it really important to fast? So the level has fallen (mass to the detriment of quality) -so they still have not recovered from the disease to discuss people, and not military affairs.
    Soon we’ll go to the cats and the girls ..
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 April 5 2020 21: 18 New
      +2
      What to discuss?
      What are the heroes talking about or that the political games are going on there, the militia does not answer as it should?
      They shoot bullets and balabolat exactly until the moment when the corresponding answer starts to arrive .... and this is not a MILITARY question! clean / dirty policy.
    2. divanka2021
      divanka2021 April 5 2020 21: 31 New
      -1
      and he was here this level?
      in comments the same sodomy as on the censor is not only on the reverse side
    3. bk316
      bk316 April 5 2020 21: 42 New
      +8
      This is the bottom, comrades, but even on Yaplakal there are better comments.

      So on "I cried people" are mostly civilians and humanities, they are mostly trolls belay
      But in the VO they basically still served.
      And to anyone who has served such ideas are immediately obvious as insane.
      Well, let's teach pilots to drive tanks, gunners to fly turntables and air defense specialists to plot a course under the ice.
      Look at the video as a brave 404 foot soldier performs the “shoulder” command.
      What do you think will happen if you give him a javelin?
      But nothing, he will not be able to bring him into a combat situation laughing

      How will anti-tank systems be trained in infantry trenches? This is not so easy in the training with the lessons in theory, mock-ups of anti-tank systems, stands, training firing, firing ranges, live firing. - This is the standard training sequence for the artilleryman. ELEMENTARY LEARNING! Not well, if you want to learn from which end of the TPK the rocket flies, it’s possible, but if you fight, it’s profanity. Here is a short answer from the gun commander.
      1. Egor-dis
        Egor-dis April 27 2020 18: 45 New
        0
        Quote: bk316
        This is not so easy in the training with the lessons in theory, mock-ups of anti-tank systems, stands, training firing, firing ranges, live firing. - This is the standard training sequence for the artilleryman. ELEMENTARY LEARNING! Not well, if you want to learn from which end of the TPK the rocket flies, it’s possible, but if you fight, it’s profanity.
        You are a happy person. You still saw with your own eyes that they are teaching exactly as you say. And in our fabulous LPR, they still learn mainly in the trenches on 2 lines, where it is calmer. Well, once every half a year, they are taken to a simulator. So there is profanity on both sides of the front. Accordingly, those ignoramuses who later end due to their greater number will win the battle.
  19. Chingachguk
    Chingachguk April 5 2020 20: 41 New
    +1
    Well, why didn’t they write where to run and to whom to give up?
  20. Normal ok
    Normal ok April 5 2020 21: 07 New
    -6
    Over the past 5 years, she grew up in the galaxy of Pogozhinsky trolls. And once a great site was ...
  21. Kerensky
    Kerensky April 5 2020 21: 59 New
    +1
    A normal operator should at least once plummet and see the result. Otherwise, this is a swimming tutorial. How many operators are training? And if they both fail?
    I found the "tradition" - on the day of training at the training ground issued on SVD, 9 (nine!) Cartridge.
    How many Darts have already plagued the APU?
  22. Pacifist with AK
    Pacifist with AK April 5 2020 22: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: Paul Siebert
    Quote: Lipchanin
    Quote: Bumblebee_3
    they will always find someone to rob


    This is "Mad Max" in Ukrainian ... laughing

    Told Mykola))))))))))
    I give a link, the admin video will not miss)))))))
    https://youtu.be/K2tIEbv0kuM
  23. maykl8
    maykl8 April 5 2020 23: 25 New
    +1
    Having decided to bring the experience gained in the battles into the mass of soldiers, the ATGM calculations were instructed to teach ordinary infantrymen the art of owning the corresponding products. It is believed that in the end, fighters at the forefront will be able to independently use anti-tank systems.

    ATGMs are armed with anti-tank platoons and batteries. The personnel of these units is being prepared according to a special program. If the infantry is taught in two programs, it will turn out to be under-infantry-under-anti-tankers. In the Second Chechen War, they decided to strengthen motorized rifle battalions with artillery to increase firepower. In the battalion of infantry created an artillery company with 6 pieces of 85mm D-44 guns. These "barbarians" scoffed at the guns, broke, towed over the barrel. Accordingly, firepower did not increase. The guns were taken from the infantry, people were sent to companies.
  24. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 April 6 2020 01: 47 New
    0
    The Americans, probably complete with the Javelins, sent a batch of specially designed rose-glasses for Ukraine, which Ukrainian soldiers wear without taking off, so the future clash with Russia seems to them some kind of holiday of uninterrupted triumphs.
  25. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 April 6 2020 03: 15 New
    +1
    Well, FSE, now we are definitely in fourth place in terms of armament !!!
  26. LeftPers
    LeftPers April 6 2020 08: 06 New
    0
    Quote: Lipchanin
    And this is a promising project

    Is it promising? here is the perspective:
  27. Yok Migarek
    Yok Migarek April 6 2020 10: 39 New
    0
    Quote: Fantazer911
    If you don’t like koment, then pass by, as I understand it, and if I minus then I write for what!

    Is this regulated? You write for what you minus, others do not write. What problems?
  28. Terenin
    Terenin April 6 2020 10: 50 New
    +3
    “They completely defeated Russia”: the 93rd brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces transfers “Turkish experience”
    all this greyhound and arrogance of the Armed Forces of Ukraine comes from the current Russophobic tendency of "civilized" Europe and NATO.
    What can we say about the descendants of Bandera, when just a year ago they bravely argue those that the Russians pulled from the loop of these Bandera and K
    Israeli soldiers fighting shoulder to shoulder with German soldiers capture the Russian village. ... NATO maneuvers in Germany, involving thousands of soldiers from all countries of the Atlantic bloc, this time distinguished themselves by the participation of a battalion of Israeli paratroopers .... Only the Israelis were not shy about posting a video that says with all the bluntness worthy of better use: our enemies - Russians, and our goal is to capture Russian villages. Our friends and comrades are the Bundeswehr.
    Source: https://rusvesna.su/news/1557070024
  29. sanik2020
    sanik2020 April 6 2020 11: 36 New
    0
    At the same time, the "transfer of Turkish experience" remains not entirely clear.

    Considering that after the Crimean war Russia and Turkey did not fight, it is obviously a question of the Turkish experience of the time of Admiral Ushakov.
  30. Yury Siritsky
    Yury Siritsky April 6 2020 11: 50 New
    0
    It is surprising the idiocy of this command, which, with the tenacity of the underdeveloped, is at war with Russia.
  31. vowanof
    vowanof April 6 2020 12: 56 New
    0
    Quote: tihonmarine
    These our heroes chopped off the tail of fascism.


    It is a pity that the head did not tear
  32. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey April 6 2020 19: 16 New
    0
    and what is “stratagems”, pliz tell me how to put the author minus bold for the article? !!!
  33. ZaharoFF
    ZaharoFF April 7 2020 08: 32 New
    0
    What are the "Soviet" norms? Why are there so many idiots in this country? Or is someone narrow-minded and "not local" writing to them all these stupid matches?
    There were people like people and suddenly all at once became nerds (s) request
  34. Puhly67
    Puhly67 April 7 2020 18: 52 New
    -1
    How did the 6 year war against the damned Muscovites end? Okay. we as usual treat this nonsense with understanding. the peasants in ukraishke love to get the fuck out. Maybe it's time for the Ukrainians to restore the devastation after ..fierce .. fights ....
  35. Egor-dis
    Egor-dis April 27 2020 18: 18 New
    0
    especially delivered

    Well this is what you need to have in your head in order to attach a "bassoon" to such a mast. He was put on UAZ and then shook. On such a wheelchair it will only be good to tick, and to visit 3km - I doubt it very much. Although, ... they have 111 missiles, which means up to 2 km. Still doubtful.