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Ukraine conducted another test of RCC "Neptune"

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Ukraine conducted another test of RCC "Neptune"

Ukraine has conducted another test of the domestic anti-ship missile Neptune. Shooting took place at the state test site of the Armed Forces of Ukraine "Alibey" in the Odessa region.


According to the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, on April 2, 2020, the R-360 anti-ship missile was tested for the first time in the Ukrainian anti-ship missile system RK-360MTs "Neptune" with an active homing radar mounted on the missile (ARLGSN). Prior to this, all tests were carried out without a homing head.

According to the developers, during the test, a missile with an inert warhead successfully hit a floating target at a distance of 75 km.


April 2, Ukrainian engineers and designers achieved an outstanding achievement! For the first time in our stories the launch of the Neptune anti-ship missile developed by the Luch Design Bureau with the inclusion of an active radar homing head developed by the Radionics company was completed, and for the first time Neptune detected and hit a target at a marine test range!

- Yuri Butusov wrote on Facebook.

At the same time, it is noted that the tests were carried out within the allocated funding for 2019, for 2020, funds were not allocated for projects to develop the Neptune and Alder-M missiles manufactured by KB Luch. Whether they are included in the budget of Ukraine in general is not reported.
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  1. Theodore
    Theodore April 4 2020 17: 13 New
    -4
    According to the developers, during the test, a missile with an inert warhead successfully hit a floating target at a distance of 75 km.

    So Getman Sagaidachnogo, we will not see ....
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins April 4 2020 17: 17 New
      0
      That is, that the development took place, you have no doubt?
      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty April 4 2020 17: 26 New
        -1
        Nazarii hi having that Soviet backlog from the defense industry, we ourselves could send a man into space! The rocket was not created from scratch, as, for example, our “Gauges”! Here the Soviet rocket is taken as a basis! So, the main thing is the entry into service, and competent maintenance and operation. To not be like a mortar with a hammer! And then the word "fleet" in the uk-roine will become a dirty word! !!
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx April 4 2020 17: 40 New
          +7
          Quote: Thrifty
          The rocket is not created from scratch, like our Caliber, for example! Here the Soviet rocket is taken as a basis!

          Well, yes, yes ...
          Caliber family rockets were created on the basis of two projects: developed during the period from 1975 to 1984 in the SMKB "Novator" 3M10 strategic nuclear cruise missile with a combat radius of 2500 km; and the Alpha anti-ship missile contest (RUR Turquoise).
        2. Second pilot
          Second pilot April 4 2020 18: 02 New
          +5
          Under the Soviet Union, rocket engines were indeed made on the territory of Ukraine, but homing heads were not made there.
          1. svp67
            svp67 April 4 2020 18: 21 New
            0
            Quote: Second Pilot
            Under the Soviet Union, rocket engines were indeed made on the territory of Ukraine, but homing heads were not made there.

            Rocket engines for which missiles, as well as GOS, for which missiles?
            1. Grigory_45
              Grigory_45 April 5 2020 11: 47 New
              -2
              Quote: svp67
              engines for which missiles

              in particular, R-95-300, a variant of which R-95TM is used by KTRV on X-35 missiles
        3. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 April 4 2020 21: 42 New
          -1
          Quote: Thrifty
          The rocket is not created from scratch, as for example, our "Gauges

          And Caliber was not created from scratch. You could say he is a follower of Tomahawk and Pomegranate. Russia also still lives on the legacy of the USSR
          1. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek April 5 2020 04: 08 New
            +5
            Quote: Gregory_45
            Russia also still lives on the legacy of the USSR

            and what ??? the basis of the USSR was Russia !!! fool tongue
            1. Grigory_45
              Grigory_45 April 5 2020 12: 03 New
              -3
              Quote: Nikolai Grek
              and what ???

              Have you read the comment carefully? All fragments of the former USSR still use its heritage. Or will you challenge? ..)

              Quote: Nikolai Grek
              the basis of the USSR was Russia

              the entire industry of the Union was built on broad cooperation. In particular, the missile hulls were made in one place, the engine in another, the GOS in the third (and in fact the GOS itself was made by three or four enterprises), the control system in the fourth, and at the fifth enterprise all this was put together. And often subcontractors were territorially divided by republic. Therefore, many current independent states own part of the competencies of the former Union
              1. Nikolai Grek
                Nikolai Grek April 5 2020 18: 27 New
                +5
                Quote: Gregory_45
                Have you read the comment carefully? All fragments of the former USSR still use its heritage. Or will you challenge? ..)

                you inattentively read it !!! all "your" reproaches about Russia’s use of the USSR’s heritage are not worth a penny, because Russia was the basis of the USSR ... I’m silent that the Soviet Empire was the predecessor of the USSR, and not Ukrainian or any other !!! request but the former have poured so much slop on the USSR that they certainly should have abandoned its heritage !!! negative
                Quote: Gregory_45
                the entire industry of the Union was built on broad cooperation. In particular, the missile hulls were made in one place, the engine in another, the GOS in the third (and in fact the GOS itself was made by three or four enterprises), the control system in the fourth, and at the fifth enterprise all this was put together. And often subcontractors were territorially divided by republic. Therefore, many current independent states own part of the competencies of the former Union

                it's all good, but again you forget that Russia built it all for them, and not the Ukrainian SSR, BSSR, GSSR, etc., etc., built high-tech and high-tech industries on the territory of the RSFSR !!! wink
                1. Grigory_45
                  Grigory_45 April 5 2020 18: 54 New
                  -3
                  Quote: Nikolai Grek
                  all your reproaches about Russia's use of the USSR’s heritage

                  this is not a reproach, it is a fact whether you like it or not. And, I repeat, not only Russia, but also the former republics use this heritage
                  1. Nikolai Grek
                    Nikolai Grek April 5 2020 19: 18 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Gregory_45
                    Quote: Nikolai Grek
                    all your reproaches about Russia's use of the USSR’s heritage

                    this is not a reproach, it is a fact whether you like it or not. And, I repeat, not only Russia, but also the former republics use this heritage

                    the fact is that Russia uses its own heritage !!! everything else is “your” distortions in an attempt to throw a fan against Russia !!!
                    1. Grigory_45
                      Grigory_45 April 5 2020 19: 34 New
                      -3
                      Quote: Nikolai Grek
                      these are “your” distortions in an attempt to throw a fan against Russia !!!

                      these are just your fantasies)

                      Russia uses the legacy of the USSR, not the RSFSR. You do not know the difference, did not study at school?
                      1. Nikolai Grek
                        Nikolai Grek April 5 2020 19: 37 New
                        +5
                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        Quote: Nikolai Grek
                        these are “your” distortions in an attempt to throw a fan against Russia !!!

                        these are just your fantasies)

                        Russia uses the legacy of the USSR, not the RSFSR. You do not know the difference, did not study at school?

                        or yours !! lol
                      2. Grigory_45
                        Grigory_45 April 5 2020 19: 50 New
                        -4
                        Quote: Nikolai Grek
                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        Quote: Nikolai Grek
                        these are “your” distortions in an attempt to throw a fan against Russia !!!

                        these are just your fantasies)

                        Russia uses the legacy of the USSR, not the RSFSR. You do not know the difference, did not study at school?

                        or yours !! lol

                        no, I have order with knowledge, and with logic, and with the psyche)
                        Recall enterprises such as Antonov Design Bureau, Yuzhnoye Design Bureau, Motor Sich, brands such as KrAZ, MAZ do not tell you anything? Or were all their products designed in the RSFSR? So what are we still squeakingly replacing Ukrainian turbines with frigates?
                        I’ll tell you a terrible secret: KZKT tractors, which were in demand before the bankruptcy of the plant, are nothing more than a completed MAZ in Kurgan. And how many MAZs and KrAZs were in the army? Whose development of management systems are part of the ICBMs? I’ll also reveal a secret - KB South. Which aircraft are still the most massive in the BTA of the Russian Federation? Aircraft brand AN. And where was built almost the entire navy of the USSR?

                        In my opinion, the coronavirus also reached you) And deprived the remnants of knowledge and logic
                      3. Nikolai Grek
                        Nikolai Grek April 5 2020 21: 30 New
                        +5
                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        In my opinion, the coronavirus also reached you) And deprived the remnants of knowledge and logic

                        Nooooo, he just didn’t spare you ... though, apparently, he brought a little bit of current, and you’ve already lost a GM defeat !!! lol you can write spatial speeches to me, you can endlessly enumerate KB, etc. etc ... you can continue to fantasize and dream, but all this came to light thanks to the RSFSR and the bright Russian heads !!! request tongue
                      4. Grigory_45
                        Grigory_45 April 5 2020 21: 41 New
                        -4
                        Quote: Nikolai Grek
                        but all this was born thanks to the RSFSR

                        with such speeches you remind me of certain nations. Everything under the Moon appeared exclusively to them)) Strange, but those nations and nationalities, having so much in common, for some reason do not like each other. And so, you look from the side - two boots of steam
                      5. Nikolai Grek
                        Nikolai Grek April 5 2020 21: 46 New
                        +5
                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        with such speeches you remind me of certain nations.

                        It's your problems!! wassat
                  2. ccsr
                    ccsr April 6 2020 11: 41 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Gregory_45
                    Recall enterprises such as Antonov Design Bureau, Yuzhnoye Design Bureau,

                    Since you are an amateur in matters of the military-industrial complex, I remind you that a design bureau at any enterprise is lower in status than an industrial research institute, not to mention academic science. And his tasks do not include fundamental research, but as a rule the main part of the work is not related to development, but to technological support of serial production, although they can also develop something themselves.
                    Quote: Gregory_45
                    like KrAZ, MAZ do not tell you anything?

                    MAZ actually has nothing to do with Ukraine, but if you knew the real picture of providing the armed forces with automotive equipment, then you would know the BASIC brands of military vehicles in the USSR - ZIL, GAZ, KAMAZ and the Urals, and they were all in the RSFSR.
                    Quote: Gregory_45
                    And how many MAZs and KrAZs were in the army?

                    With respect to all automotive equipment there are very few - for example, MAZs were used as tractors, and even then it is limited, for example, in a company of heavy vehicles. Well, some mobile missile systems were made at the MAZ base in Belarus, but not in Ukraine.

                    Quote: Gregory_45
                    In my opinion, the coronavirus also reached you) And deprived the remnants of knowledge and logic

                    You haven’t been friends with a coronavirus for a long time, since you’re trying to imitate the tales of Ukrainian propaganda.
                  3. Grigory_45
                    Grigory_45 April 6 2020 11: 47 New
                    -2
                    Quote: ccsr
                    as a rule, the bulk of the work is not related to development

                    Based on this phrase, I conclude that you have never worked in a specialized KB. Those. the amateur here is you

                    Quote: ccsr
                    MAZ actually has no relation to Ukraine

                    I know this very well) If you could read, you would know that we had a dispute that not everything was created in the RSFSR, some in the republics, incl. in Ukraine and Belarus
                  4. ccsr
                    ccsr April 6 2020 12: 22 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Gregory_45
                    Based on this phrase, I conclude that you have never worked in a specialized KB. Those. the amateur here is you

                    I took R&D in some design bureaus, including the Chernivtsi Special Design Bureau "Fonon". So you will tell your tales to those who do not know how all this was organized in the USSR. By the way, design bureaus are all specialized - I have not heard that one of them took up work outside their specialization, and only after the restructuring did some begin to develop pans.
                    Quote: Gregory_45
                    you would know that we were having a debate that not everything was created in the RSFSR, some in the republics, including in Ukraine and Belarus

                    All the basic science in the RSFSR was, but the fact that aircraft production was even located in Central Asia was not news for anyone. Even the engines for the R-36 were developed in Moscow, although the product itself was assembled in Dnepropetrovsk.
                  5. Grigory_45
                    Grigory_45 April 6 2020 12: 32 New
                    -2
                    fairy tales here you tell, as if design bureaus are not engaged in development. Maintenance of the series is only a small fraction in the scope of work of the design bureau, the lion's part is just the development of new and the modernization of serial equipment. From which I conclude once again: you are completely unfamiliar with the work of the design bureau; you are uploading here about your achievements and regalia. I have never seen such a short-sighted alleged representative of the Soviet design school)
                  6. ccsr
                    ccsr April 6 2020 14: 24 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Gregory_45
                    Maintenance of the series is only a small fraction in the scope of work of the design bureau,

                    Like all amateurs, you have no idea how the factory design bureau differs from the design bureau, so sculpt different rubbish here. You write “Yuzhnoye Design Bureau”, and it was “Yuzhnoye Design Bureau”, and the status of “special” just meant that it was equated with an industry research institute. You don’t even know these subtleties, so you’re lying that the factory design bureau is developing.
  • dvina71
    dvina71 April 4 2020 17: 40 New
    0
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    That is, that the development took place, you have no doubt?

    What happened? Analogue of the 2nd generation RCC? Now the range of 75 km is a kindergarten .. It's like with their alder .. everything grows from one root .. Only in Russia it grows after all, but up .. then in Ukraine it’s not clear how, and what's more ... why? It would be better if they bought from China or France, ready-made good coastal complexes. Saving both time and money.
    1. Avior
      Avior April 4 2020 20: 49 New
      +1
      GOS tests are not carried out at maximum range
      At maximum range, these are separate tests.
    2. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 April 4 2020 21: 46 New
      0
      Quote: dvina71
      Now the range of 75km is a kindergarten

      and who told you that this is the maximum range ???

      Quote: dvina71
      Analogue 2 generation RCC

      Nevertheless, Russia still operates the X-35, and missiles are also used abroad.
      1. dvina71
        dvina71 April 4 2020 22: 08 New
        +1
        Quote: Gregory_45
        Quote: dvina71
        Now the range of 75km is a kindergarten

        and who told you that this is the maximum range ???

        Quote: dvina71
        Analogue 2 generation RCC

        Nevertheless, Russia still operates the X-35, and missiles are also used abroad.

        The keyword is operating. And not only .. the modernized X-35 flies already at 260 in export performance.
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 April 4 2020 23: 31 New
          -2
          Quote: dvina71
          modernized X-35 flies already at 260 in export performance

          260 km is both the range of the X-35U version for the Russian Navy and the range of the export version of the X-35UE.

          Neptune in terms of performance is closer to the X-35U than to the base case. The fuel supply was increased (the range increased to 280 km), a slightly more powerful warhead (150 kg) was installed, the ARGSN of its own design - all this with a slightly longer length and weight of the Ukrainian product
  • Galina schreder
    Galina schreder April 4 2020 18: 07 New
    -1
    And what kind of development ?? They copied the X35, while without a seeker. Well, how can they copy in Ukraine, the whole world was laughing, when in Ukraine they decided to make a copy of the 1943 mortar. That Hammer flew higher than current Neptune
  • venik
    venik April 4 2020 23: 56 New
    +7
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    That is, that the development took place, you have no doubt?

    ==========
    Yes, who would doubt it! "HAPPENED" ... "development" .....
    In 2004, Kiev’s Luch design bureau was handed over to the RCC X-35 Uran for familiarization (at that time there was still a hope of deploying a JOINT production of these missiles) ..... But .... The Maidan struck, to power on Amer’s hulu Yushchenko came to Ukraine .... Many of the joint projects were covered with a copper basin (including the X-35 joint production project) .... But! They didn’t return the rocket .... The “household” “kurkuli” decided to continue copying .... This “bootleg” was stretched for 14 years already! Due to the lack of components from the Russian Federation, they decided to transfer to using "Western" ones, and of course, "element base" too! According to the plan of the "gloomy Ukrainian genius" - this was to give the rocket - well, simply FANTASTIC opportunities .... But as the "classic" said: They wanted the best ... But it turned out: "as always" !!!
    And here they are “Uranus” and “Neptune” (as stated in old comics: Find 10 differences!):

    PS Alas! Just a "pirate copy"! request
  • Grandfather
    Grandfather April 4 2020 17: 23 New
    -7
    everything is bad on the outskirts ... and to see our capabilities and realities, we generally have a paragraph! and right now the “gas station was covered”, with the CHINESE KLIP “also .. with” (I am silent) “... are there options? in burburgamndia and wormwood to build nuclear power plants on credit? And also? sell a posidon to cuba?. soon
    solariums will give? continue ?
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins April 4 2020 17: 27 New
      +3
      Not worth it. And so they throw cons)))
    2. dvina71
      dvina71 April 4 2020 17: 41 New
      +6
      Quote: Dead Day
      sowing is coming soon
      solariums will give? continue ?

      The sowing is already going on .. and not on the oxen .. Go on ..
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather April 4 2020 18: 12 New
        -5
        Quote: dvina71
        The sowing is already going on .. and not on the oxen .. Go on ..
        Reply

        ice and snow in the fields ... talker. ours here in the Urals, something without such optimism ... you do it ... send your solarium, if that ... I’ll throw off the farm address.
        1. Kerensky
          Kerensky April 4 2020 18: 25 New
          +2
          send your solarium, if that ... I will throw off the address of the economy.

          And discard - discard. You never mind ... Someone is waiting for the solarium, and someone is thinking about gas generators ... The need for invention is tricky ..
          1. Grandfather
            Grandfather April 4 2020 19: 00 New
            -1
            Quote: Kerensky
            And discard - discard. You never know what

            and throw, I’ll report on any channels, I swear, at least, we honest people from the Urals. will you demand our life in return ...? or what ...?
        2. svp67
          svp67 April 4 2020 18: 34 New
          +5
          Quote: Dead Day
          ice and snow in the fields ... talker. ours are in the Urals,

          But the idea that Russia is not limited to one Urals, didn’t occur to you?

          Sowing in the Russian Federation on 01.04.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX
          Belgorod region
          As of March 30, about 30% of the cultivated area designated for spring grain and leguminous crops was sown in the region — more than 85 thousand out of 283,5 thousand hectares. Almost 53 thousand hectares are sown with barley - 62% of the almost 85 thousand hectares allocated for this crop. Spring wheat - 61%, or 25 thousand hectares of the planned 41 thousand hectares. Oats are already sown on 74% of the area, or on 4,2 thousand hectares from a 5 thousandth wedge.
          Bashkortostan
          The field season of 2020 has started in the republic. Moisture closure work was carried out on 200 hectares. The area of ​​spring sowing in 2020 will be about 2 million 50 thousand hectares. Winter crops were sown in the fall on an area of ​​about 400 thousand hectares. According to the preliminary forecast for their overwintering, in the whole republic, the death of winter crops may amount to 6-8%.
          Bryansk region
          As of March 31, winter grain crops were fed on 178,9 thousand ha or 100% of the plan. Soil preparation for spring sowing was carried out on an area of ​​137,5 thousand ha (35% of the plan). Sowing of spring grain and leguminous crops was carried out on an area of ​​9,9 thousand ha (8% of the plan), of which: wheat - 3,5 thousand ha, oats - 4,6 thousand ha, barley - 1,2 thousand ha. Sowing spring cereals is conducted in 19 districts.
          Krasnodar
          The sowing campaign is proceeding at a faster pace. The farms of the region are sowing sunflower and sugar beets. According to current data, today spring crops are sown on an area of ​​more than 340 thousand ha, which is 19% of the sowing plan and is 174,8 thousand ha more than last year. Sugar beets sown on an area of ​​more than 132 thousand hectares, sunflower occupies 37,6 thousand hectares. This year, about 2 million ha will be sown with spring crops.
          Republic of Crimea
          Sowing of early spring crops for the 2020 harvest is completed. The sown area amounted to about 90 thousand hectares of early spring grain and leguminous crops per grain. Sown spring barley, wheat, oats and legumes. More than two thousand hectares of spring sown on forage. More than 70% of the total sown area of ​​winter crops is in good and satisfactory condition, weak, thinned - by 29%. The winter crops on the area of ​​376 hectares are sown with grain and leguminous plants. The availability of mineral fertilizers in the republic today is 22 thousand tons of agricultural products. 96% Fertilizers from the beginning of the year 18,4 thousand tons in a.v. on an area of ​​390 thousand hectares. The total area of ​​crops is more than 791 thousand hectares. Compared with last year, it increased by almost 21 thousand hectares due to winter sowing or 103% compared to last year. The area of ​​winter sowing amounted to more than 508 thousand hectares.

          Here is this site: http://zerno.ru/node/9075
          There and beyond, continuation to other regions is available
          1. Grandfather
            Grandfather April 4 2020 19: 04 New
            -5
            Quote: svp67

            But the idea that Russia is not limited to one Urals, didn’t occur to you?

            yes, as it were, according to .. The hump of ancestors ..... didn’t come ..., according to History, they teared blood flaps from us, and they tear it.
            1. bukhach
              bukhach April 5 2020 00: 45 New
              +2
              You need a specialist, maybe not everything is lost, there is always hope.
        3. Piramidon
          Piramidon April 4 2020 19: 52 New
          +3
          Quote: Dead Day
          send your solarium, if that ... farm address skin

          He drank his own, or what?
        4. dvina71
          dvina71 April 4 2020 19: 57 New
          +3
          Quote: Dead Day
          ice and snow in the fields ..

          Where? In Crimea? ON THE KUBAN?
          AT look and do not tryndi ..



          I can add a dozen links ..
        5. Fitter65
          Fitter65 April 5 2020 02: 49 New
          +3
          Quote: Dead Day
          Quote: dvina71
          The sowing is already going on .. and not on the oxen .. Go on ..
          Reply

          ice and snow in the fields ... talker. ours here in the Urals, something without such optimism ... you do it ... send your solarium, if that ... I’ll throw off the farm address.

          article of 25. 03. 2020
          Farmers in the Primorsky Territory sowed 120 hectares of oats and barley.

          According to the Department of Agriculture and Food of Primorye, peasants covered almost two thousand hectares of moisture, introduced more than 700 tons of mineral fertilizers and dressed seeds.

          “The sowing company started from the Oktyabrsky district, here agrarians sowed 100 hectares of oats and 20 hectares of barley,” the department noted.

          Recall that the Governor of Primorsky Territory Oleg Kozhemyako emphasized that spring field work should be completed in optimal agrotechnical terms, and crops should be sown within two weeks.
          linkhttps: //www.primorsky.ru/news/158790/
          5 days ago
          The sowing campaign began in the Khabarovsk Territory
          https://www.khabkrai.ru/events/news/177923
          The main thing is to bubble into a puddle, and there at least do not bubble ... One word Deadcastrate.
    3. Galina schreder
      Galina schreder April 4 2020 18: 08 New
      -7
      Oil prices have gone up. Again in Ukraine peremoga turned into zrada fellow fellow
    4. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter April 4 2020 18: 19 New
      -1
      Quote: Dead Day
      everything is bad on the outskirts ... and to see our capabilities and realities, we generally have a paragraph! and right now the “gas station was covered”, with the CHINESE KLIP “also .. with” (I am silent) “... are there options? in burburgamndia and wormwood to build nuclear power plants on credit? And also? sell a posidon to cuba?. soon
      solariums will give? continue ?

      Wake up. I don’t even want to comment on such nonsense. In your opinion, in Ukraine everything is hurt once the IMF demands from Ukraine to change the law on the sale of land to a tougher one. In fact, Ukraine is being treated as an African, not very developed country, which is about to be sold out, otherwise they will not give credit and the deficit budget will not be able to. To Ukraine, as you put it, “gas stations” like walking to the moon, dream and dream. Russia has now increased oil supplies to China. COVID-2019 around the world, and especially to the West. Well, of course, there is no solarium in the oil-producing Russia, of course. The sanctions allowed Russia to get off the needle, if not completely, then at least halfway already passed. Although I doubt very much that this Neptune falls short on s X-35UE.
      1. Bshkaus
        Bshkaus April 4 2020 21: 22 New
        +1
        In your opinion, in Ukraine everything is hurt once the IMF demands from Ukraine to change the law on the sale of land to a tougher

        I can understand the Ukrainians who are against the sale of land, mostly notaries who rake a lot of money in various document processing schemes, when foreigners dodge and find loopholes to buy a plot of agricultural land.
        But what do you care about the Ukrainian land, I don’t understand, or would you like me to buy a plot of agricultural land there and open a farm? Do not be shy, contact the PM, I will tell you the scheme by which I bought it as a foreigner.
        1. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek April 5 2020 04: 31 New
          +3
          Quote: Bshkaus
          But what do you care about the Ukrainian land, I don’t understand,

          what finally this pigsty has long borders with us !!! fool wassat
    5. svp67
      svp67 April 4 2020 18: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: Dead Day
      continue ?

      Why so many letters? You can write shorter - EVERYTHING DROPPED !!!!!!
  • Evdokim
    Evdokim April 4 2020 17: 48 New
    -1
    Quote: Theodore
    So Getman Sagaidachnogo, we will not see ...

    You know that there is a separate joke with this Zaykadachny, but it’s good that at least not on April 1, a rocket was launched, you would think that this was another overload, overt ass. wassat
    PS Launch then launched, and make money in series, as always Nem. hi
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins April 4 2020 17: 15 New
    +1
    Interesting rhetoric has changed. If earlier, irony and ridicule were written in the direction of dill developments, now the article ends with the hope that funding is not expected this year.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr April 4 2020 17: 21 New
      -9
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      If earlier in the direction of dill development irony and ridicule were written,

      So why not laugh now - why do they need such a rocket if they don’t have their own carrier ships, and it’s useless to use such products against the Russian fleet - our ships will not take part in hostilities at such distances at all, if suddenly the svidomye decide to attack us .
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      now the article ends with the hope that funding is not expected this year.
      On the contrary, we should be glad that they are looking for money for this - they’ll stay faster without pants, because new developments are very expensive.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins April 4 2020 17: 25 New
        -3
        Bravo! What a wonderful patriotism! Here, according to the description, and in 1941 it was believed that we would throw hats, because we have everything, and they have it ... And less than ours ...
        And the Yankees about the Japanese also thought ... Keep up the good work, but don’t fall off the couch ....
        1. ccsr
          ccsr April 4 2020 18: 22 New
          -5
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Bravo! What a wonderful patriotism!

          It is not a matter of patriotism, but a sensible assessment of the situation.
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Here is the description and in 1941

          In this case, the comparison only indicates your inadequate assessment of the current situation and what happened in 1941.
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          And the Yankees about the Japanese also thought ...

          You would recall the invasion of Mamaevo - this is very "active" for Russia, which is a nuclear power.
          As I understand it, you can’t even seriously evaluate these Svidomo attempts. To begin, tell at least who these complexes will be purchased and in what quantity so that it does not look like another bunch.
        2. Sky strike fighter
          Sky strike fighter April 4 2020 18: 24 New
          +2
          You draw a parallel between equal rivals of Hitler's Germany and the USSR on the one hand and between the current nuclear superpower of the Russian Federation and forgive .... Ukraine on the other. Oh well.
          1. Karaul14
            Karaul14 April 4 2020 20: 05 New
            -2
            Quote: Sky Strike fighter
            You draw a parallel between equal rivals of Hitler's Germany and the USSR on the one hand and between the current nuclear superpower of the Russian Federation and forgive .... Ukraine on the other. Oh well.
            Well then, you can draw a parallel with the Soviet-Finnish, Russian-Japanese and Soviet-Polish war. "Who are these Japanese / Poles / Finns, schA we left them one." As a result, 2 of these 3 wars lost miserably, and won the Finnish one so much that you won’t wish such an victory for the enemy.

            Quote: Sky Strike fighter
            superpower of the Russian Federation
            I understand that I do not want to realize this, but at the moment there is one superpower in the world - the United States. The United States possesses all the necessary criteria for a superpower - it possesses military power, economic power, technological superiority and has enormous political influence. And their satellites are not some Bantustans like Turkmenistan, or small Belarus, but the world’s great powers. China has come most closely to this now, but with the last point - political influence, it has obvious problems.
            Russia does not have all 3 points - the economy is weaker than the economies of the US satellites, while it is dependent on the export of hydrocarbons to developed countries. Military power is limited by today's large nuclear arsenal, but economically and technologically the same arsenal can be possessed by France or England today, they just don’t need it, given their alliance with the United States, Russia is incapable of a real arms race with the United States or China due to the economic backwardness. Political aspect? There is nothing to say here, the mediocre policy has led to the loss of all the most important allies, there are only Central Asian dictatorships and Belarus, which even at the UN cannot vote unanimously with Russia and will not recognize many of its actions. In general, the next time you think carefully, before pronouncing the words "RF" and "Superpower" nearby, you can inadvertently make your opponent laugh.
            1. bukhach
              bukhach April 5 2020 01: 18 New
              0
              What a detailed analysis, what a power of intelligence! You forgot about the Crimean one to remind, well, to hint that with such allies as Europe and the USA, oh yes, I forgot the Banderlog Canada Reserve, you can repeat and wash the rash, for which these missiles are required. By the way, did Russia wage the war you mentioned alone and not in alliance with other republics? No, it’s clear that your victories are our bummer, the logic is iron. Well, at least in fact you can say how it turned out that Japan, who won Russia, buzzes the Kuril Islands, and brilliant Finland quietly sighs about Vyborg and Karels what great lands did Poland admit to their capital of sworn Russians? However, I agree that the Poles must return the zemlyats to the Communists unjustly, the one that the Communists unjustly took away. And you are crying in the Crimea and the Donbas and getting ready for revenge, because America is with you wink I watch the Ukrainians and others like them lut, cons are strewed by everyone laughing "Sprinkle, pour, it is still alive"
            2. IL-18
              IL-18 April 5 2020 11: 44 New
              +2
              Quote: Karaul14
              parallel with the Soviet-Finnish

              Further, this comment can not be read.
      2. Peter is not the first
        Peter is not the first April 4 2020 20: 07 New
        -1
        It is precisely because of this missile that our ships will be limited in approaching the coast, even if it is needed. To neutralize the threat will have to attract more forces, and more diverse.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr April 5 2020 12: 37 New
          +1
          Quote: Peter is not the first
          To neutralize the threat will have to attract more forces, and more diverse.

          To neutralize all this threat, it is enough to deliver a non-nuclear strike to the Kiev reservoir dam with several OTP with increased charge power.
      3. Avior
        Avior April 4 2020 20: 53 New
        -3
        For such a missile, a large ship is not necessary, but if the range is true, up to half of the Black Sea can shoot from the coast, or even further
      4. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 April 4 2020 21: 50 New
        -4
        Quote: ccsr
        why do they need such a rocket if they don’t have their own carrier ships

        this missile system can:
        - even put on boats of moderate displacement.
        - operate in the form of mobile mobile missile systems (chassis such as KrAZ or MAZ will be found)
        - attach to a plane, for example - upgraded MiGs, or for adapted helicopters
        1. ccsr
          ccsr April 5 2020 12: 35 New
          +1
          Quote: Gregory_45
          this missile system can:

          This missile system is not yet available and it is not in service - this is for starters. In the zero years, I talked with some classmates who held fairly high posts in the Ukrainian army, and they honestly admitted that they practically did not carry out R&D due to lack of funding and scientific personnel. All attempts to upgrade the Soviet tank, armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles and even a mortar ended in failure - nothing new is being produced in series, even KrAZ has remained Soviet. The same thing will happen with this rocket - now they are pretending that they have something there, and when they really appreciate the cost of this rocket and what the equipment for the new production will cost, they will cry and quietly curtail the program.
          Quote: Gregory_45
          - even put on boats of moderate displacement.

          Boats should carry out patrol service throughout the Black Sea, and for now they only go to Odessa near Odessa. Yes, and these boats will destroy our aircraft as soon as they go to sea - if only Svidomo comes to mind to carry out an adventure, like a breakthrough in the Kerch Strait.
          Quote: Gregory_45
          - operate in the form of mobile mobile missile systems (chassis such as KrAZ or MAZ will be found)

          In theory, it all looks beautiful, but in practice it’s a “penny”, and all Ukrainian dreams will end there.
          Quote: Gregory_45
          or for adapted helicopters

          Where did you see them in the Ukrainian army, if they are even afraid to appear over Donetsk?
          1. Grigory_45
            Grigory_45 April 5 2020 12: 49 New
            -4
            Quote: ccsr
            This missile system is not yet available and is not in service

            tests show that the complex is almost ready for adoption and production.
            They have a coastal mobile installation. With which PU do you think the firing took place?
            Hanging a couple of missiles under the An-26 or putting on boats is also not difficult (compared with the development of the rocket itself)

            But hatreds and carelessness never brought anyone to good.
            1. ccsr
              ccsr April 5 2020 14: 06 New
              +1
              Quote: Gregory_45
              tests show that the complex is almost ready for adoption and production.

              Even in Soviet times, not all samples that passed state tests were adopted - so trim the sturgeon.
              Quote: Gregory_45
              But hatreds and carelessness never brought anyone to good.

              I do not see the Ukrainian armed forces as leaders in the development of weapons, and therefore all that they rivet on their knees does not mean world recognition. We have more serious competitors in the production of weapons, and it is necessary to look at their achievements, and not create Svidomo advertising, as some people who are illiterate in weapons do here.
              Why do you personally prove the danger of this complex to our ships? I don’t see such a danger, if only because such NATO means are significantly superior to what these homemade products rivet in Ukraine, and here they have to beware, because their ships have long been in the Black Sea.
              1. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 April 5 2020 14: 44 New
                -5
                Quote: ccsr
                Even in Soviet times, not all samples that passed state tests were adopted - so trim the sturgeon.

                tell me, are you adequate at all? I wrote that the complex is ready for acceptance into service and production, and not about what will be produced in millions of batches. Did not teach to read at school?

                Quote: ccsr
                does not mean world recognition

                yes they don’t need it. They make a rocket for themselves.

                Understand one thing that I want to convey which comment to your brain. The presence of these missiles in Ukraine is a threat to both the Crimea and the Black Sea Fleet. And you go into some lengthy discussions about leadership in the production of weapons, about advertising and others. I'm talking about round, you're talking about soft.

                Quote: ccsr
                Why do you personally prove the danger of this complex to our ships? I don’t see such a danger, if only because such NATO means far exceed that which these homemade products rivet in Ukraine

                even the Navy artillery boats pose a threat, albeit a potential one. And here - rocket still appear. Moreover, the rocket is not at the level of self-made, as you deigned to say. It’s quite a modern rocket, an analogue of the Russian X-35U. If you say so, then I will doubt, and very much, any of your technical and military knowledge.
                Do you think they will not respond to the General Staff of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation? I’m sure how they will become, but these are additional resources. Of which we have not so many.
                Nobody discounts NATO. Just added to them (or will be added soon) another unpleasant factor. And you absolutely do not take into account the fact that the NATO commanders have more brains in their heads than the leadership of the Armed Forces
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      5. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 April 4 2020 23: 59 New
        -4
        Quote: ccsr
        So why not laugh now - why do they need such a rocket if they don’t have their own carrier ships, and it’s useless to use such products against the Russian Navy

        in addition to your comment. The complex can be used as a coastal one, and such an option has been developed in Ukraine. DBK as part of a mobile command post, a USPU-360 combat vehicle based on the KrAZ-7634NE chassis (three batteries, two universal launchers in each) and TZM. Total: 24 rockets ready to launch. In any case, this will have to be reckoned with, including and our ships.
        (source: https://topwar.ru/163330-beregovoj-raketnyj-kompleks-neptun.html)
        1. ccsr
          ccsr April 5 2020 12: 46 New
          +1
          Quote: Gregory_45
          Total: 24 rockets ready to launch. In any case, this will have to be reckoned with, including and our ships.

          Be careful with such statements, because you yourself say that
          Quote: Gregory_45
          The complex can be used as a coastal one, and such an option has been developed in Ukraine.

          The word "possibly" means that nothing is yet there, and the word "developed" does not mean that production has been established. So at what stage is this whole undertaking located - do you even know or blindly trust the lying Ukrainian media?
          I am 99% sure that the Ukrainian military budget is being cut, and in order to somehow justify this stupidity, they are throwing such information into the media. Think for yourself - Ukraine does not have the funds to conduct a war in the Donbass and they introduce an additional tax even on retirement, and then suddenly such a concern for anti-missile missiles, as if they would help end the war or conquer the Crimea. Have you tried even to analyze this?
          1. Grigory_45
            Grigory_45 April 5 2020 13: 03 New
            -3
            Quote: ccsr
            The word "possibly" means

            it means that Neptune, like the X-35, can be used against ground-based radio constricting targets. Teach up the materiel

            Quote: ccsr
            are you up to date

            I have provided links to non-Russian media, in particular - VO, in which you write comments

            And why do they need anti-ship missiles - try to guess for yourself, with your brilliant analytical skills))
            1. ccsr
              ccsr April 5 2020 14: 12 New
              +1
              Quote: Gregory_45
              it means that Neptune, like the X-35, can be used against ground-based radio constricting targets. Teach up the materiel

              Before you pose as a connoisseur, first tell you how many "Neptunes" are on alert, since you want to use them for ground targets.
              Quote: Gregory_45
              I have provided links to non-Russian media, in particular - VO, in which you write comments

              Different amateurs also write on VO, and moreover often from Ukraine.
              Quote: Gregory_45
              And why do they need anti-ship missiles - try to guess for yourself, with your brilliant analytical skills))

              Until recently, they tried to “pair” new tanks with some countries, but something didn’t work. Apparently they came up with a new fun, now they are promoting it.
              1. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 April 5 2020 15: 16 New
                -4
                Quote: ccsr
                since you dream of using them for ground purposes.

                young man, you are clearly inadequate. Why distort my words? I wrote black in Russian
                Quote: Gregory_45
                Neptune, like the X-35, may apply against ground radio targets

                Or is it you, from impotence, spray your saliva? Lead a dispute with dignity and reason, it does not do any other honor to you.

                Quote: ccsr
                Different amateurs also write at VO and often from Ukraine.

                those. Are you not an amateur? And Ukrainians write articles on VO in order to exalt Ukraine, do I understand you correctly?

                In my opinion, you need urgent medical attention)
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr April 5 2020 17: 48 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Gregory_45
                  I wrote black in Russian
                  Quote: Gregory_45
                  Neptune, like the X-35, can be used

                  How can it be used if it is not in service? What are you talking about here, the "expert" of everything and everything?
                  Quote: Gregory_45
                  those. Are you not an amateur?

                  On many issues - yes, but I’m sure I understand more about weapons issues than people like you.
                  Quote: Gregory_45
                  And Ukrainians write articles on VO in order to exalt Ukraine, do I understand you correctly?

                  Some Ukrainians conduct Russophobic propaganda here, but to hide it they use various kinds of articles to refute the worthlessness of the Kiev regime - many of you who have been at this forum for a long time will confirm this.
                  Quote: Gregory_45
                  I think you need urgent medical attention

                  In addition to weapons, did you also begin to understand medicine? Everything is clear, the next verbiage undertook to talk about what he has no idea.
                  1. Grigory_45
                    Grigory_45 April 5 2020 17: 57 New
                    -3
                    Quote: ccsr
                    How can it be used if it is not in service?

                    Firstly, it is a matter of time. Secondly, nobody even bothers to use the equipment that is not in service (there are examples of this. For example, the Yak-28P, which was never in service with the USSR Air Force, but was very actively used)

                    Quote: ccsr
                    I'm sure I understand more about weapons issues than people like you.

                    judging by your comments, this is far from the case)

                    Quote: ccsr
                    Some Ukrainians conduct Russophobic propaganda here, but to hide it they use various kinds of articles to refute the worthlessness of the Kiev regime

                    those. a purely technical plan article is an attempt to refute the regime’s worthlessness? From this yes)) This is to the question of your health)
                    1. ccsr
                      ccsr April 5 2020 18: 11 New
                      0
                      Quote: Gregory_45
                      Firstly, it is a matter of time.

                      If you at least understood something in this, then you would have guessed that these were factory tests of an inferior model, and so far there is no question of state tests. But how the state tests will be held, and how much time they will eliminate the deficiencies, you have no idea, but you already predict success - you will walk broadly, tear your pants.
                      Quote: Gregory_45
                      Secondly, nobody even bothers to use the technology that is not in service

                      They used an experienced Ukrainian mortar in the Donbass - how many dead bodies are there, do not tell me? As for the equipment that was not adopted for service, it is in the order of things in Ukraine - there are a lot of photos of their homemade products online, you will find them yourself.
                      Quote: Gregory_45
                      those. a purely technical plan article - is it an attempt to refute the regime’s worthlessness?

                      I’m just sure that this article is cheap PR, and the missiles themselves will never go into service with the Ukrainian army in sufficient quantities, as was the case with the Ukrainian tank. So this is another cut of the military budget of Ukraine and no more. We have all gone through this for a long time, and you will never answer the question of what was NEW developed in non-fall Ukraine.
    2. Bshkaus
      Bshkaus April 4 2020 21: 29 New
      +1
      Interesting rhetoric has changed. If earlier .... now the article ends with the hope that funding is not expected this year.

      All these years, he closely followed the development, unfortunately there was no adequate talk on this topic at VO, they brought the rocket to mind at the end of the 18th year, and there was a problem with the homing head. As far as I understand, if it passes successful tests now, the development issue immediately closes in a positive way and the rocket goes into state tests and then into service.
      In this situation, funding is no longer significant and does not apply to OCD.
      Here according to the description and in 1941 it was believed that we would throw hats

      And also, it was planned to beat the enemy in his own territory, along Stalingrad itself! sad
      1. bukhach
        bukhach April 5 2020 01: 28 New
        +1
        Based on this rocket, you draw such conclusions that it’s just breathtaking from the achievements of the Ukrainians, it’s just fear that takes its power away from the armed forces! The enemy cannot be underestimated, but you should not overestimate it, unless to amuse the vanity of local lovers of Ukraine.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr April 5 2020 12: 59 New
          +1
          Quote: Buhach
          The enemy should not be underestimated but should not be overestimated, unless to amuse the vanity of local lovers of Ukraine.

          I think that all this propaganda of the anti-ship rocket is precisely aimed at amusing Svidomo’s vanity, and no more. In fact, who knows the Soviet military-industrial complex, the main scientific brains have always been on the territory of the RSFSR, and production was carried out in Ukraine. After the collapse, their entire military science infrastructure was destroyed, and the Antonov Design Bureau example proves this best of all. So, apart from the combat hapak, the military thought of Ukraine did not come up with anything new, and this is obvious to anyone who understands at least something in modern technology and weapons.
      2. ccsr
        ccsr April 5 2020 12: 52 New
        0
        Quote: Bshkaus
        As far as I understand, if it passes successful tests now, the development issue immediately closes in a positive way and the rocket goes into state tests and then into service.

        It’s not necessary to lie - firstly, the tests cannot yet be called successful, and secondly, five to ten times more money will be needed to introduce into serial production than to develop a new model. And when all costs are divided by the number of serial samples produced at least five years later, it is possible that the military budget of Ukraine for the creation of ships for this complex will not remain.
        Quote: Bshkaus
        In this situation, funding is no longer significant and does not apply to OCD.

        Do you really know the alignment in the Ukrainian economy, or will you grow these complexes in the fields? Where did you see that the costs of mass production of new weapons are insignificant - who has hanged such noodles on your ears?
  • Victor_B
    Victor_B April 4 2020 17: 18 New
    -7
    Normal SOVIET rocket.
    Modified by file.
    Only the name was given incorrectly. "Neptune" ... Ugh!
    It was necessary "PEREMOGA"!
    Or "GUIDANCE"!
    Or "Who does not ride" "Jumping", but can be shorter - SUGS!
    1. Avior
      Avior April 4 2020 20: 54 New
      -1
      Neptune, I guess that's why Uranus
  • Sergei 777
    Sergei 777 April 4 2020 17: 23 New
    -3
    I have only one question. How will all these coastal rk cover from the air from calibers, expanders and other Onyxes?
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra April 4 2020 17: 36 New
      -3
      Quote: Sergey 777
      How will all these coastal rk cover from the air from calibers, expanders and other Onyxes?

      Sergey, you’d better tell in general why even if Neptune will not be in the quantity of 10 at all - WHAT and FROM WHO they can cover in principle ?! "Along the St. Petersburg", in the sense from Novoazovsk, through Mariupol - and to Odessa. Shoot-not-want, just don’t miss, Ukraine)))
      1. Avior
        Avior April 4 2020 20: 57 New
        -2
        How many are there from Skadovsk to Sevastopol or Donuzlav?
        1. Cowbra
          Cowbra April 4 2020 23: 10 New
          +1
          Quote: Avior
          How much is there from Skadovsk to Sevastopol

          About two hundred kilometers) So half the way you have to drag this crap on your hands) Then she flew 100 km only in your mrii
        2. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek April 5 2020 04: 37 New
          +5
          Quote: Avior
          Skadovsk

          do you yourself mock this rocket in the Crimea or ask for Raguli ??? laughing
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 4 2020 17: 27 New
    -5
    Hopelessness ... to change the name and fasten something in electronics - that’s just enough ... And what country was there. Powerful, with industry, with science. Even planes and rockets could release ...
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra April 4 2020 17: 30 New
    -8
    No, I thought right away. that it will be fun - I was not mistaken ... We screwed our heads, but to test - well, 75 kiloMeters - this is very - well, very far away
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins April 4 2020 17: 43 New
      -2
      Well, you are probably one of those "optimists" who, even if they find out that the AUG has sunk one "Neptune", will still say with skepticism:
      - Fi, why not the whole fleet? ...)
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra April 4 2020 17: 50 New
        -6
        At 75 from the coast, they let their boats catch, which have not yet caught their mine. I know how in front of the whole beach in Mariupol they scared fish scare?
      2. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek April 5 2020 04: 39 New
        +5
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        Well, you are probably one of those "optimists" who, even if they find out that the AUG has sunk one "Neptune", will still say with skepticism:
        - Fi, why not the whole fleet? ...)

        what oyyyyy, yes okay, soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooay .... when it comes to Russia, your co-religionists laugh that one Russian anti-ship missile will be able to sink an aircraft carrier .... but as it comes to raguli, they will immediately sink !!! wassat laughing
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich April 4 2020 17: 33 New
    +2
    IM now only "Neptune" to test .. After the IMF demands under the law "On Land"
    1. Bshkaus
      Bshkaus April 4 2020 21: 38 New
      +1
      IM now only "Neptune" to test .. After the IMF demands under the law "On Land"

      When you explain to me why Ukraine cannot sell agricultural land for foreign purposes, and in Russia it is possible and necessary, I will replace the “minus” set for you with a “plus”.
      1. dvina71
        dvina71 April 4 2020 22: 56 New
        -1
        Quote: Bshkaus
        in Russia it is possible and necessary, I

        You are forgivable ... as a resident of Ukraine, you are not aware of the intricacies of Russian law. And you probably do not know such a term as property law. And two. Foreigners can only rent land for agricultural purposes.
        1. Andrei Nikolaevich
          Andrei Nikolaevich April 4 2020 23: 07 New
          0
          Judging by how Ukraine, which received the NezalEzhnost, with the ease of a rural fool, parted with nuclear weapons, (by signing some kind of diploma in the form of the Budapest Memorandum), the present Maidan Ukraine, with the same ease, will part with the earth. I won’t be surprised ....
        2. Bshkaus
          Bshkaus April 4 2020 23: 17 New
          +1
          You are excusable .. as a resident of Ukraine

          Read the Constitution to begin with, in anticipation of the vote it is very important:
          Clause 3 of Article 62 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation stipulates that foreign citizens and stateless persons enjoy rights and responsibilities in the Russian Federation on an equal basis with Russian citizens, except in cases established by federal law or an international treaty of the Russian Federation.
          and for dessert:
          Land plots are provided to foreign citizens and stateless persons exclusively for a fee (clause 4 of article 39.4 of the RF Labor Code). A foreigner cannot acquire land in Russia at no cost
          So do not ...
          And yet, in the appendage - I am a citizen of the Russian Federation
      2. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich April 4 2020 23: 03 New
        0
        Do not do me your favors, in the form of "pluses" and "minus signs." Some kind of kindergarten .. Leave your "plus" to yourself. )
        1. Bshkaus
          Bshkaus April 4 2020 23: 11 New
          +1
          Do not do me your favors

          I was not going to do you any favors and I am not going to, I asked you a specific question:
          why Ukraine can not sell agricultural land for foreigners, and in Russia it is possible and necessary
          Can you answer it seriously and reasonably?
          1. Andrei Nikolaevich
            Andrei Nikolaevich April 4 2020 23: 13 New
            -1
            I gave an exhaustive answer. Read it again. If you do not understand immediately.
            1. Bshkaus
              Bshkaus April 4 2020 23: 23 New
              +1
              I gave an exhaustive answer

              You didn’t give any comprehensive answer, you didn’t give any answer at all
              And two. Foreigners can only rent land for agricultural purposes.

              Without reference to a legal document, this is an empty key shake.
              Once again: read the Constitution of the Russian Federation n3 article 62 and n 4 article 39,4.
              My first question, which I expect from you a direct answer, is to be repeated again?
              1. Andrei Nikolaevich
                Andrei Nikolaevich April 4 2020 23: 35 New
                0
                Listen, you, my restless one, do you consider yourself smarter than economists from the IMF? .. What are you rewriting the fad from the Constitution here and doing “materialization of sensory ideas”? Have you heard a concept like a reference article?
                And then, do not force the keyboard in vain - I left you a whole "plus sign". Take it easy.
                1. Bshkaus
                  Bshkaus April 4 2020 23: 57 New
                  +1
                  Listen, you restless mine

                  Andrei Nikolaevich, apparently, we will not find a common language with you.
                  Unfortunately, I still haven’t received an answer from you on a specifically asked question, and apparently I won’t get it.
                  What are you rewriting the fad from the Constitution

                  The "fad" from the Constitution is an objective fact, which I cited as an argument.
                  I have not received more than one answer from you. Yeah you're trying to me inspire that foreigners do not have the right to buy land, but I can only convince and if you would provide me with concrete facts, and not as you put it "materialization of sensory ideas" in the form of a mythical concept like “reference article” and “property law” without reference to the source, I would accept your point of view about which I honestly warned in my first comment
                  I will replace the minus with the plus

                  So let's round off in our failed dispute.
                  1. Andrei Nikolaevich
                    Andrei Nikolaevich April 5 2020 00: 06 New
                    -1
                    I'm glad you understood me. And just like you, I love the objective evidence of your innocence. You, however, did not submit any evidence to me (with the exception of the list of articles of the Basic Law).
                    All the best.
  • Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat April 4 2020 17: 44 New
    -8
    They took the ancient X-35 Uranus, broke it, called the P-360 Neptune and are proud. Subsonic anti-ship missiles with a range of 75 km are chickens to laugh. And the activity of the GOS, apparently, lies in the fact that it jumps in the building and yells "Hto does not jump, that ..."
    1. Equalized
      Equalized April 4 2020 18: 09 New
      +2
      The range of Neptune is 280-300km, the missile is larger in size than the X-35 and heavier. Well, your comment does not carry any meaning
      1. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat April 4 2020 18: 20 New
        -1
        If you look at the performance characteristics of missiles, you will see that the range has increased compared to the X-35 (from 130 km supposedly to 300 km), and compared to the X-35U the growth is smaller))) (from 260 to supposedly 300 km), while with a starting accelerator increased from 4,40 m to 5,05 m, weight with an accelerator from 600-670 kg to 87 kg, warhead weight increased from 145 kg to 150 kg. As a result, we have a variant of the old Soviet missile that is degraded in all respects. Just look at weight perfection))) So don’t have to carry a blizzard, our inexpensive jumping enemy)))
      2. Sky strike fighter
        Sky strike fighter April 4 2020 18: 45 New
        -4
        Quote: Equalized
        The range of Neptune is 280-300km, the missile is larger in size than the X-35 and heavier. Well, your comment does not carry any meaning

        Confirmed range of 75 km.
  • Moskovit
    Moskovit April 4 2020 17: 54 New
    -4

    Photo hit. It looks like a hole in which not every dog ​​will crawl ...
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra April 4 2020 18: 33 New
      -4
      They, you would know what fleet on the outskirts. He can’t be bitten well by Sy - Don, nor Neptune. Razi that moonshine
    2. Avior
      Avior April 4 2020 21: 00 New
      0
      And what hole should the inert warhead leave?
    3. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 April 4 2020 21: 55 New
      -1
      Quote: Moskovit
      It looks like a hole in which not every dog ​​will crawl ...

      and you from an inert warhead (read - blank) expected a torn container to shreds ???
      1. Moore
        Moore April 5 2020 06: 55 New
        0
        I don’t know who was expecting what, but I would have thought that the spread wings would not leave a neat round hole, but a hole with torn edges. The right support next to the hole would definitely hurt.
  • Equalized
    Equalized April 4 2020 18: 06 New
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    Old flight video

    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter April 4 2020 18: 39 New
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      When will you stop flying on the Soviet-Russian
      Su-27 and Mig-29 (created by engineers of the RSFSR and made in the RSFSR) and make your own fighter. You get a mockery of the Russian Army. Even you try to clone our X-35UE from the whole variety of RCCs in the world, so instead of your mini -reichstag, where the Rada is meeting soon will begin to build its own Kremlin. They would have taken it better. They would have copied the Amersky Harpoon. They seem to be like your sidekick. Or not? Do you have at least something of your own? Or can you just copy and mimic it?
    2. Moon
      Moon April 4 2020 22: 32 New
      -3
      Quote: Equalized
      Old flight video

      Yesterday, the Su 27 link also accompanied the tests; many saw the approach. It is impossible to mix turquoise drying against the sky.
      Oleg Korostelev, General Director and General Designer of the Scientific and Production Association Luch.
  • Fishery
    Fishery April 4 2020 18: 12 New
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    a normal rocket for a poor country, the range is also decent, to develop several options for the carrier, and can warheads and quite come down to hit ships and stationary infrastructure
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter April 4 2020 18: 43 New
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      After that, Ukraine will be completely torn to pieces by neighbors from all sides and the IMF will only contribute to this. Purely Ukrainian suicide. Life weighs on a thread and thinks about profit.
      1. Fishery
        Fishery April 4 2020 18: 50 New
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        well since 14 years old they’re fucked) best friends, already afraid of
        1. Sky strike fighter
          Sky strike fighter April 4 2020 19: 03 New
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          Seriously, is it? Ukrainians are already fighting in the whole with Poland, Romania, Hungary, not to mention Russia? Something in the Crimea didn’t dare. It’s scary. It’s easier because it’s easier to unleash a civil war with the Donbass and ask for help from the whole world, such as hooligans lose their eyesight.
          1. Fishery
            Fishery April 4 2020 19: 05 New
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            call it what you want) but Ukraine has lost its territory) why should she fight with Poland) or Hungary) she would gladly join the EU or Poland, if they called)) The Russian Federation is also in no hurry to feed the extra 38 lyamas of mouth, when its obviously not enough)) or can you name two large countries that have declared war and are fighting right now? probably you won’t name, but they shoot and bomb, and people die.
            1. Sky strike fighter
              Sky strike fighter April 4 2020 19: 12 New
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              That is, it is possible to surrender Lviv to Poland, Uzhhorod of Hungary and all the way without a fight, and it is better to Kiev, to immediately to the EU?
              feed the extra 38 lyama mouths
              , and where it doesn’t matter, otherwise
              since 14 years old) best friends
              and mouths are not fed. That's it.
              1. Fishery
                Fishery April 4 2020 19: 15 New
                +5
                Well, the reality so far is that))) not everyone wants in the Russian Federation, the example of the DPR and LPR showed that it was better not to live there, and so far they have nothing to offer, so the choice is obvious
              2. Red Dragon
                Red Dragon April 4 2020 19: 16 New
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                Well, did they surrender Crimea to Russia? What is the difference to pass Transcarpathia, but not to Hungarians, but to Slovaks. When I was in Transcarpathia, I asked the old people when it was better to live, they spoke during Czechoslovakia, between the wars. wink
                1. Fishery
                  Fishery April 4 2020 19: 22 New
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                  they don’t take it)))) the same) you need to understand the difference) about Czechoslovakia I agree they lived well
                  1. Red Dragon
                    Red Dragon April 4 2020 19: 33 New
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                    That is yes. Slovaks do not really want to take. And Hungarians in Transcarpathia are not very fond of, except for the Hungarians themselves, which are about 15 percent plus or minus. Russia, however, does not want to take the DPR and LPR, and hang out in an incomprehensible status. And in this status, it serves as an excellent anti-advertisement for the rest of the Eastern and Southern regions. The absolute majority does not dream of being citizens of all kinds of People's Republic of China and the like. wink
                    1. Fishery
                      Fishery April 4 2020 19: 47 New
                      +1
                      in Donetsk, the apartment treshka cost 70 thousand green to the DNI, now 12000-15000) this is advertising and achievements, I have a third of the former residents of Lugansk and Donetsk in the LCD, everyone left completely. I am not a fan of the Maidan and the arrangement of Ukraine in recent years 10)) but a fact is a fact.
                      1. Nikolai Grek
                        Nikolai Grek April 5 2020 05: 07 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Tonya
                        but fact is fact.

                        where is the fact ... current about LDNR listened to your sketch !! what Now let's talk about the magnificent life in Ukraine !!! wassat laughing and apparently, you know the answer to the most important question - the vast majority of the inhabitants are under the oppression of the ukronazists who came to power in 2014 or do they like the imposition of Nazi henchmen as heroes ??? wink
                      2. Fishery
                        Fishery April 5 2020 09: 25 New
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                        these comrades in all elections won about 3 percent, the vast majority just do not care, the majority simply do not want to defend Soviet values, the rest slowly merge these Aryans, or drive them into controlled units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and others, and it’s like everyone else’s life gorgeous, some do not.
                      3. Nikolai Grek
                        Nikolai Grek April 5 2020 18: 04 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Tonya
                        these comrades in all elections scored about 3 percent

                        and everything is clear with you !!! wink lolBy the way, how do your 3 percent manage to lead the country ??? what wassat
                      4. Fishery
                        Fishery April 5 2020 19: 16 New
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                        the elder brothers from the Russian Federation actively help them in this policy, which is probably why they manage that the foreign policy of the Russian Federation is short-sighted, flaunted Ukraine, now Belarus is next in turn, probably all of this is from a great mind
                      5. Nikolai Grek
                        Nikolai Grek April 5 2020 19: 27 New
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                        Quote: Tonya
                        the elder brothers from the Russian Federation actively help them in this policy, which is probably why they manage that the foreign policy of the Russian Federation is short-sighted, flaunted Ukraine, now Belarus is next in turn, probably all of this is from a great mind

                        what Ragulism and rushing out of you !!! wassat lol
                      6. Fishery
                        Fishery April 5 2020 20: 30 New
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                        well, let it be so if it’s easier for you to have something along the perimeter at your border, one day you will understand that climbing a tree and throwing a feces is not the most far-sighted thought) good luck
        2. Sky strike fighter
          Sky strike fighter April 4 2020 19: 39 New
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          But you will offer them. They will. They’ll even be ready to take it to you, to make the task easier for you, but you don’t want to give it away. But say everything that no one wants to take them. wink It is only worth Donbass repeat the path of the Crimea and consider that in a couple of days Lviv, Kiev is already in Europe, in Poland. What prospects will immediately open! fellow How do you like the idea? Decide. The main thing is to ask well. Kind people will help.
          1. Fishery
            Fishery April 4 2020 19: 44 New
            +1
            ))) your mockery touches, well, take away Donbass, don’t take it, Crimea was needed under the base, everything was quickly decided, and Donbass is a finger .. in Ukraine) they are interested in moving, and influencing internally. politics, I personally will be happy with any outcome of the events, but don’t take it, since people are not interesting to you, neither your brothers nor anyone else’s brothers))) Donbass can only repeat the path of Transnistria)) in general Maxim take everything, save everyone, you’re like that ask and wait))
            1. dvina71
              dvina71 April 4 2020 20: 02 New
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              Quote: Tonya
              In general, Maxim take everything, save everyone, they ask you and wait so))

              Here LDNR will go to their borders, they will first choose the grassroots power, then the supreme .. Then they will hold a referendum .. and welcome.
              No one took the Crimea, he beat himself .. saving himself from the new Ukraine ..
              Remind me where recently the European court sent Ukraine with their question about the identity of Crimea ..?
            2. Fishery
              Fishery April 4 2020 20: 05 New
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              you don’t throw me agitation)))) The Transnistrian region where now) there will be LPR or DPR, we would like to include it already)) in 14 there was a chance, but now there is no economic advantage, there is no standard of living lures, the idea of ​​an eternal Pu will not take root.
            3. Sky strike fighter
              Sky strike fighter April 4 2020 20: 32 New
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              you do not throw me agitation)))) Transnistria where now) there will be LC or DNI

              Where is Ukraine now? And where will it be after the sale of its land, as the IMF asks? It will not be anywhere.
            4. Fishery
              Fishery April 4 2020 21: 36 New
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              I have land)))) and I bought it for cash))) so if the agro holdings change owners)))) I will personally be on the side, except that the price will rise, but you forgive the Far Eastern hectare already received and sowed) or just sharpen your hair
            5. Bshkaus
              Bshkaus April 4 2020 21: 45 New
              -1
              Where is Ukraine now? And where will it be after the sale of its land

              And where is Russia, in which land is sold to foreigners without problems, and even no one stutters that this is bad or that it’s impossible to do so.
        3. Red Dragon
          Red Dragon April 4 2020 20: 23 New
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          Yes, please compare the average salaries in Mariupol and the DPR. And think, will most of the inhabitants of Mariupol want to move to the DPR? If they begin to go to "their" borders. fellow
        4. dvina71
          dvina71 April 4 2020 20: 25 New
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          Quote: Red Dragon
          Yes, please compare the average salaries in Mariupol and the DPR

          An interesting approach .. maybe they compare the sn in Rostov and Krasnodar with Kiev ... not?
        5. Red Dragon
          Red Dragon April 4 2020 20: 34 New
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          And here I do not understand. People, all of them, want to live better, earn more, this is normal. Now salaries in LDNR are not amazing, and this is a fact. When they reach the level of Kiev, Rostov, Krasnodar, then you can talk about something. But now the average salary is ridiculous, living on it is very difficult. Therefore, the desire to move to LDNR is very diminished. What is incomprehensible here? belay
        6. dvina71
          dvina71 April 4 2020 20: 36 New
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          Quote: Red Dragon
          Therefore, the desire to move to LDNR is very diminished

          I don’t understand .. have you already announced the line-up and transition plan?
        7. Red Dragon
          Red Dragon April 4 2020 20: 48 New
          -1
          So you explained the plan in your comment:
          "Here LDNR will go to its borders, they will select first the grassroots power, then the supreme .. Then they will hold a referendum .. and welcome." Or how? Now no one is going to go anywhere? belay
        8. dvina71
          dvina71 April 4 2020 21: 08 New
          0
          Quote: Red Dragon
          Now no one is going to go anywhere?

          So who said that by military means? Sooner or later, Kiev will have to remove the troops ..
        9. Red Dragon
          Red Dragon April 4 2020 21: 26 New
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          Well, maybe it will. I don’t know, not Nostradamus. But if there are no competitive salaries in LDNR, why are you so sure that residents will vote the way you think? And why on earth would they be competitive if it is an unrecognized territory. Who will invest there?
        10. dvina71
          dvina71 April 4 2020 21: 28 New
          -1
          Quote: Red Dragon
          why are you so sure that the residents will vote as you think?

          Ie in the 14th year they went to die for zp This maidan stood for lace panties .., and Donbass for his identity ..
        11. Red Dragon
          Red Dragon April 4 2020 21: 36 New
          -1
          Dear dvina71. Please do not write loud slogans. At the heart of all the requirements and Maidan and Donbass - the economy. The rest is all superficial. Donbass cooperation with Russia, Maidan with the EU. And if the current incomes of the inhabitants of the DPR are small, then the rest will not rush headlong there.
  • Nikolai Grek
    Nikolai Grek April 5 2020 05: 11 New
    +2
    Quote: Red Dragon
    People, all of them, want to live better, earn more, this is normal.

    it’s not normal that all this did not happen after the Hohlorevolution !! request
  • Red Dragon
    Red Dragon April 5 2020 13: 40 New
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    What did not happen after hohlorevolyatsii? Is aspiration better to earn? And why did you get this belay
  • ccsr
    ccsr April 5 2020 13: 13 New
    +1
    Quote: Red Dragon
    When they reach the level of Kiev, Rostov, Krasnodar, then you can talk about something. But now the average salary is ridiculous, living on it is very difficult.

    Actually, in the Donbass, they’re not fighting for salaries, but for the fact that Ukrainians will never forbid them to speak Russian again. And the more they demonstrate their hatred of the Kiev authorities, the less chance Ukrainians have for regaining their lost territories. What will happen next is still difficult to predict. But one thing is certain - Donbass will never be part of Ukraine and Svidomo, who still have brains able to think, already understood this. Well, those who do not understand, then those can be sent to the Donbass to be killed or maimed.
  • Red Dragon
    Red Dragon April 5 2020 13: 36 New
    -2
    I speak Russian, no one forbids me and no one kills me. Moreover, I was born in Nizhny Novgorod, my father is Russian, my mother is Ukrainian. Therefore, please, fewer slogans, dear CCSR. wink Regards, Red Dragon.
  • ccsr
    ccsr April 5 2020 14: 16 New
    -1
    Quote: Red Dragon
    I speak Russian, no one forbids me and no one kills me. Moreover, I was born in Nizhny Novgorod, my father is Russian, my mother is Ukrainian.

    There are vile Russian people who, for the sake of Ukrainians, destroy those who don’t want to speak mov in the Donbas. By the way, how do you use the Russian language when contacting the state bodies of Ukraine?
    Quote: Red Dragon
    Therefore, please, fewer slogans,

    What are the slogans - we see slogans in Ukraine, where they are fighting with Russia, but for some reason they will not cross the border and continue to buy raw materials from us.
  • Red Dragon
    Red Dragon April 5 2020 14: 31 New
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    Respected. I am a citizen of Ukraine and when I contact government bodies, I speak in Ukrainian. Or are you in Russia addressing government bodies not in Russian? Everything was taught Ukrainian in Ukraine, and I think it's not difficult to write a couple of pieces of paper a year. At work, the correspondence is mainly in Russian, in everyday life I communicate in both Russian and Ukrainian, depending on the interlocutor. Or do you consider Russian people stupid, unable to write a few lines according to a pattern in a related language? By the way, in the DPR and LPR adopted a law on the only state Russian language. Not logical. Here we shout that the rights of Russian-speakers are “violated”, but right there we will “violate” the rights of Ukrainian-speakers. Our scout, their spy, is nothing new. wink And please, take your head out of the TV, at least sometimes.
  • ccsr
    ccsr April 5 2020 14: 58 New
    +1
    Quote: Red Dragon
    Or are you in Russia addressing government bodies not in Russian?

    In Crimea, you can contact the authorities in three languages. In all national republics the same picture.

    Quote: Red Dragon
    At work, correspondence is mainly in Russian, in everyday life I communicate in both Russian and Ukrainian, depending on the person I am talking to.

    This is your hypocrisy - you know that it is more convenient to communicate in Russian, but for the sake of Svidomo you doom yourself to please Ukraine.
    Quote: Red Dragon
    By the way, the DPR and LPR adopted a law on the only state Russian language. Not logical.

    After what the Ukrainian authorities did to them, killing people in the Donbass, this is not only logical, but fully justifies them.

    Quote: Red Dragon
    And please, take your head out of the TV, at least sometimes.

    You see, Svidomo, I grew up in Ukraine, I studied the Ukrainian language for nine years at school and I know very well what Ukrainian nationalists are. So I understand perfectly why the Russian people will never want to live under their rule, no matter how much you would be in the nightingale.
  • Red Dragon
    Red Dragon April 5 2020 16: 01 New
    -3
    So what, for 9 years they could not master the Ukrainian language? What is the difficulty? And moreover, for the sake of Svidomo, I communicate in English when necessary. This is an English Svidomo, or what? wink
  • ccsr
    ccsr April 5 2020 17: 52 New
    0
    Quote: Red Dragon
    So what, for 9 years they could not master the Ukrainian language?

    Why couldn’t I take exams for “good” in the Ukrainian language and literature, only he wasn’t even useful to me in Kiev by and large.
    Quote: Red Dragon
    And moreover, for the sake of Svidomo, I communicate in English when necessary. This is an English Svidomo, or what?

    It painfully you stick out your Ukrainians-apparently your work is such, probably the curators require.
  • Red Dragon
    Red Dragon April 5 2020 18: 09 New
    -2
    Respected. I know three languages, by the way everything was excellent, both at school and at the institute. When I give you a simple example about talking in English and Svidomo, you write some nonsense, obviously wanting to offend me, talking about some kind of curators? Having no reason for this. Well then, you too remind me of the Prigogine troll. winked All the same, learn to speak not with slogans, but somehow build normal logical constructions.
  • ccsr
    ccsr April 5 2020 18: 19 New
    -1
    Quote: Red Dragon
    I know three languages, by the way everything was excellent, both at school and at the institute.

    What does this prove in weapons matters?
    Quote: Red Dragon
    When I give you a simple example about speaking in English

    This is completely uninteresting to me, because not relevant to the discussion of tests. Your attempt to show that you understand something in this did not impress me.
    Quote: Red Dragon
    Well then, you too remind me of the Prigogine troll.

    You, too, are not far from Smerdyakov.
    Quote: Red Dragon
    All the same, learn to speak not with slogans, but somehow build normal logical constructions.

    What is your logic when you asked me a question
    So what, for 9 years they could not master the Ukrainian language?
    if so far all the technical documentation for serious weapons in Russian in Ukraine?
  • Red Dragon
    Red Dragon April 5 2020 18: 26 New
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    And here are the tests and curators. Where I showed you that I understand this. What are you talking about? Yes, the main documentation is in Russian, partially in Ukrainian, but not enough, you are right. Where did I deny it ???? You suggested that my curators serve me, that is, I am engaged in a business that is low in my opinion. Trying to insult a stranger. And you don’t even notice it. Are you normal? belay
  • ccsr
    ccsr April 5 2020 18: 33 New
    -1
    Quote: Red Dragon
    Yes, the main documentation is in Russian, partially in Ukrainian, but not enough, you are right.

    I’m better than you understand what was going on in the Ukrainian military-industrial complex all these years of independence, which is why I immediately said that this whole article is cheap PR, and it’s not clear what you are trying to convince me of.
    Quote: Red Dragon
    You suggested that my curators serve me, that is, I am engaged in a business that is low from my point of view.

    Of course, you are engaged in worthless business, telling tales of how everything is perfectly in Ukraine in matters of weapons. An intelligent person would be careful to make such statements so as not to be considered an amateur or an paid troll.
    Quote: Red Dragon
    Trying to insult a stranger. And you don’t even notice it.

    I’m just not used to fumbling, and I express directly what I think of a person based on an analysis of his texts. And whether it offended you or not, it doesn’t play a role - the truth is more expensive.
  • Red Dragon
    Red Dragon April 5 2020 18: 42 New
    -2
    Dear, why do you think that you are better at understanding the issues of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex? I told you somewhere where I work and by whom? I discuss topics that interest me. And maybe I'm still related to this topic? An analysis of your texts for me shows the level of slogans and political information in the school, which in my early youth, as the chairman of the Council of the Detachment, I had to spend every Monday.
  • ccsr
    ccsr April 5 2020 19: 03 New
    -1
    Quote: Red Dragon
    Dear, why do you think that you are better at understanding the issues of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex?

    Because I knew well the Soviet military-industrial complex and inter-industry relations of industry, that’s why I know how things can be there after the collapse of the USSR.
    Quote: Red Dragon
    And maybe I'm still related to this topic?

    Then name at least one product of Ukrainian weapons that went through a full cycle from research to mass production and equipping them with APU - I’m just interested to know what kind of animal it is ....
  • Red Dragon
    Red Dragon April 5 2020 19: 19 New
    -3
    Unfortunately, here you are right. In fact, the creation of a new normal model of armament by the Ukrainian military-industrial complex is difficult to recall. The modernization of aircraft engines, helicopters, and other ATS is perhaps all that the modern Ukrainian military-industrial complex is capable of. But where did I write otherwise? What Ukraine will introduce super weapons tomorrow? wink
  • ccsr
    ccsr April 6 2020 11: 26 New
    0
    Quote: Red Dragon
    Unfortunately, here you are right. In fact, the creation of a new normal model of armament by the Ukrainian military-industrial complex is difficult to recall.

    So why then are you spreading lies about the successes of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex?
    And at the same time you have the audacity to call me a liar, a pathetic ignoramus:
    You are just a liar, respected CCSR.

    And who is the liar here then?
  • Red Dragon
    Red Dragon April 6 2020 15: 55 New
    -3
    I already wrote to you. LET ME MY POSTS WHERE I WRITE ABOUT SUCCESSES OF THE Ukrainian military-industrial complex. You can understand the meaning of the words. MY POST. I kind of write in Russian. I did not write about the grandiose successes of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, which is not clear. If you don’t bring, then you are still a liar. wink
  • Red Dragon
    Red Dragon April 7 2020 19: 49 New
    -2
    Strange, no answer. belay Usually you were rude with such passion and carried all nonsense, and when you caught a lie, you shut up. Is it possible, if someday, we cross each other, in the comments I will contact you not CCSR, but Mr. LIAR? wink
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  • Red Dragon
    Red Dragon April 7 2020 20: 17 New
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    You're lying. I have never written anywhere that I am proud of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex. You LIE again. At least sometimes, tell the truth. It will become easier, you may be rude to be rude. wink
  • Red Dragon
    Red Dragon April 7 2020 20: 47 New
    -1
    Pinocchio got a nose out of lies, remember? wink You may ask, are you normally entering the door? And then, because you from your constant lies, it may already be hard to walk the streets. God forbid, stumble upon something. Watch out, take care wink
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  • Nikolai Grek
    Nikolai Grek April 6 2020 01: 32 New
    +3
    Quote: Red Dragon
    that everything is fine in Ukraine in arms matters?

    what in Ukraine, at least in some matter, is something fine ?? !!! wassat laughing
  • Avior
    Avior April 4 2020 21: 05 New
    0
    The average in Rostov is not very different from the average in the Ukrainian part of Donetsk
  • dvina71
    dvina71 April 4 2020 21: 21 New
    -1
    Quote: Avior
    The average in Rostov is not very different from the average in the Ukrainian part of Donetsk

    Yes, I know .. on the Ukrainian Internet everything is the same as in Russia, only a little worse .. Today I was trying to convince one subject that there are more programmers in Odessa than in Russia .. so it says on the sovereign Internet ..
  • Avior
    Avior April 4 2020 21: 22 New
    -1
    How do you compare where you get salary data from?
  • dvina71
    dvina71 April 4 2020 21: 26 New
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    Quote: Avior
    How do you compare where you get salary data from?

    I do not compare. There is no need for this .. from high Ukrainian zp .. Ukrainians for some reason for the same, or even lower, zp go to Russia ..
    But the citizens of Russia for some reason from their low pay are not willing to go abroad to work ..
  • Red Dragon
    Red Dragon April 4 2020 21: 40 New
    -1
    And what do programmers go to you? Programmers work for American, Canadian, Australian firms. Receive from 1000 dollars and above. It is not uncommon for a salary to be more than three thousand dollars. Why should they go to you? winked programmers specifically?
  • dvina71
    dvina71 April 4 2020 22: 23 New
    -1
    Quote: Red Dragon
    Receive from 1000 dollars and above.

    A programmer .. it is a programmer .. in Russia for such an offer will send you far and demanding .. At the moment ..60-70tysch is the minimum wage that a highly skilled worker will agree to. That would completely close the question of average salaries. In 2019, 1.8 million new cars were sold in Russia. In Ukraine, 80 thousand. Actually, this is all you need to know about the difference in average salaries in our countries.
  • Red Dragon
    Red Dragon April 4 2020 22: 32 New
    0
    Programmers are different. I wrote from 1000. And to very decent values ​​it is 4-5 thousand bucks. Maybe higher, I'm talking about those whom I know personally. I repeat the question, why should programmers come to you if he gets 5 thousand bucks here. Working online and getting money is also online. You can go to the United States or Germany, there may be 10 thousand, but there the costs are much higher. And to the programmer in Russia. What for? winked
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  • Nikolai Grek
    Nikolai Grek April 5 2020 05: 15 New
    +2
    Quote: Red Dragon
    And what do programmers go to you?

    why are they here ??? Do you think in Russia with programmers a complete seam ??? what you, by chance, do not live the myth of the balalaika and the bear ?? !!! wassat lol
  • Red Dragon
    Red Dragon April 5 2020 07: 43 New
    -2
    And where am I with the myths of the balalaika and the bear? belay This user dvina71 for some reason doubts that in Odessa programmers may have normal salaries. So I ask where he saw in Russia a crowd of programmers from Ukraine. And why should they go to Russia even in theory? winked And with balalaikas and bears, I think that Russia is in full order. laughing
  • Nikolai Grek
    Nikolai Grek April 5 2020 18: 00 New
    +4
    Quote: Red Dragon
    This user dvina71 for some reason doubts that in Odessa programmers may have normal salaries.

    in fact, programmers, compared to the rest of the cp, are higher ... I think VNA is no exception ... they have a large one in their understandable and in a relative sense !!! wink wassat
    Quote: Red Dragon
    So I ask where he saw in Russia a crowd of programmers from Ukraine.

    maybe they are here, but not in droves - if they are only paid less than ours ... and in terms of their programmers, Russia is far from in last place !!! request
  • Red Dragon
    Red Dragon April 6 2020 19: 23 New
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    Respected. I did not write that in Russia there are problems with programmers. I wrote that in Ukraine a good programmer gets decent money and there’s no point in going to Russia for him. User Dvina71 for some reason doubted it. What are you trying to prove to me, dear, I don’t understand? belay
  • alexmach
    alexmach April 4 2020 23: 59 New
    -3
    Today, one subject tried to convince me that the sn programmer in Odessa is more than in Russia .. so he has written on the sovereign Internet ..

    And by the way, the way it is. In Odessa, now on average more than in St. Petersburg. I’m telling you as a programmer if that.
  • Nikolai Grek
    Nikolai Grek April 5 2020 05: 16 New
    +2
    Quote: alexmach
    Today, one subject tried to convince me that the sn programmer in Odessa is more than in Russia .. so he has written on the sovereign Internet ..

    And by the way, the way it is. In Odessa, now on average more than in St. Petersburg. I’m telling you as a programmer if that.

    Baltic programmer - this is serious !!! lol wassat
  • alexmach
    alexmach April 5 2020 12: 12 New
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    Baltic programmer - this is serious !!! lol wassat

    More serious than a formal Troll and boor.
  • Nikolai Grek
    Nikolai Grek April 5 2020 18: 36 New
    +2
    Quote: alexmach
    Baltic programmer - this is serious !!! lol wassat

    More serious than a formal Troll and boor.

    what Baltic programmer who has more salaries in Odessa than in St. Petersburg - this is a boorish troll !!! wassat lol
  • alexmach
    alexmach April 5 2020 18: 37 New
    0
    If facts do not fit into your picture of the world all the worse for the facts?
  • Nikolai Grek
    Nikolai Grek April 5 2020 18: 48 New
    +2
    Quote: alexmach
    If facts do not fit into your picture of the world all the worse for the facts?

    it is not surprising that you are defending Ukraine ... there black turned white and that is their fact !!! wassat laughing
  • alexmach
    alexmach April 5 2020 18: 52 New
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    that you are defending Ukraine.

    Where? Where I defend it (spelling of the source saved)
  • Nikolai Grek
    Nikolai Grek April 5 2020 05: 08 New
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    Quote: Red Dragon
    Yes, please compare the average salaries in Mariupol and the DPR. And think, will most of the inhabitants of Mariupol want to move to the DPR? If they begin to go to "their" borders.

    compare ... have you been in there and there for a long time ??? winkgas in Mariupol how much ??? !!! wassat and the survey was conducted, is the Mariupol live comfortably with the current hohlorezhim ?? !!! wassat
  • Red Dragon
    Red Dragon April 5 2020 07: 58 New
    -2
    In Mariupol was a year ago. I live 150 km from the Donetsk region. I was in Donetsk 7 years ago. But there are many friends who came from Donetsk and now live in my city, with modern hohlorezhim, as you, dear Nikolai Grek, write. Yes, gas in Mariupol is more expensive. But if small salaries and pensions are issued subsidies for utilities. Crowds of sufferers in the DNI did not notice. There is no enthusiasm for modern Ukrainian authorities. But they also do not want to switch to an average salary of almost three times less, as in the DPR. But you still won’t believe me. In Russia, everyone is better aware of what is happening in Ukraine. Look, "Evening M", according to Boris Grebenshchikov, will not be allowed to lie. In vain do they crucify every day on TV? winked
  • Nikolai Grek
    Nikolai Grek April 5 2020 18: 03 New
    +2
    Quote: Red Dragon
    In Mariupol was a year ago. I live 150 km from the Donetsk region. I was in Donetsk 7 years ago. But there are many friends who came from Donetsk and now live in my city, with modern hohlorezhim, as you, dear Nikolai Grek, write. Yes, gas in Mariupol is more expensive. But if small salaries and pensions are issued subsidies for utilities. Crowds of sufferers in the DNI did not notice. There is no enthusiasm for modern Ukrainian authorities. But they also do not want to switch to an average salary of almost three times less, as in the DPR. But you still won’t believe me. In Russia, everyone is better aware of what is happening in Ukraine. Look, "Evening M", according to Boris Grebenshchikov, will not be allowed to lie. In vain do they crucify every day on TV? winked

    u with you it is understandable ... the next hutskraynik gently defending nFFFFFchemniFfinuyu sacrifice Ukraine, where there is no hohlonatsizma !!! wassat
  • Red Dragon
    Red Dragon April 6 2020 19: 51 New
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    Respected. Why do you understand everything, do you even know about Ukraine? You live there, often winked In which city tell us where the hohlonists tortured you and why were you released alive? Just wondering wink
  • Red Dragon
    Red Dragon April 6 2020 19: 59 New
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    I think I answered your questions when I was in Mariupol, when in Donetsk I answered about gas prices. You simply write on no basis based conclusions that the next hatskraynik and other nonsense. Maybe somehow argue your position so that your post does not seem like a set of unrelated words. Regards, Red Dragon. wink
  • Nikolai Grek
    Nikolai Grek April 6 2020 20: 37 New
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    Quote: Red Dragon
    Why do you understand everything, do you even know about Ukraine?

    patamushta official ideology and official authority in Ukraine proclaimed the Nazis and war criminals their heroes !! wink only LDNR opposes this ... you and most of the inhabitants of VNA like that justify it to you ... including here ... and you don’t notice it yourself !!! negative this is enough for a normal person to understand the situation !!! wassat
  • Red Dragon
    Red Dragon April 6 2020 20: 42 New
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    Clear. I have no more questions. Why then did they generally ask about Mariupol, about gas, and something else? Everything is clear to you. What is the meaning of these questions in general? Nothing to do in quarantine? wink Then good luck, I no longer see the point of communicating with you, all you need is enough to understand the situation. be healthy winked
  • revnagan
    revnagan April 5 2020 09: 42 New
    -1
    Quote: dvina71
    Here LDNR will go to their borders,

    ... yeah, right after Lyashko returns the purity and virginity to his ass laughing !
  • Red Dragon
    Red Dragon April 4 2020 19: 52 New
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    Yes, Russia took the Crimea. And she don’t really need Donbass. What for? It is beautiful in Crimea, the resort has a warm territory and a navy base. And what about Donbass? Coal in kilometer mines and ecology killed in many places? So, Russia does not need coal, there is Kuzbass, it is much cheaper to mine there, many mines were closed on the Russian territory of Donbass. Therefore, hang out in an incomprehensible status. And people will crumble, tea is not the first time. wink
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter April 4 2020 20: 00 New
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      And she don’t really need Donbass. What for?

      Don’t talk nonsense. Donetsk is the future capital of reformatted Ukraine. Everything is yet to come.
    2. Red Dragon
      Red Dragon April 4 2020 20: 07 New
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      Very interesting. And why did you decide that? And why is the capital of Ukraine only, and not the intergalactic association Alpha Centauri? Because you so wanted? winked Unfortunately, I have many desires, but not all are fulfilled. And the facts about the cost of apartments were brought to you by the esteemed comrade Tonya, especially no one wants to live in the future capital, everyone is trying to dump something somewhere. fool These are the pies.
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  • dvina71
    dvina71 April 4 2020 20: 31 New
    -1
    Quote: Red Dragon
    Yes, Russia took the Crimea.

    I didn’t pick it up .. I accepted it. This is a very different approach.
  • Red Dragon
    Red Dragon April 4 2020 20: 38 New
    -1
    Took part, took, this is a matter of wording. Why didn’t you accept Donbass, explain if you don’t agree with my explanation above? belay
  • dvina71
    dvina71 April 4 2020 20: 49 New
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    Quote: Red Dragon
    Why didn’t you accept Donbass, explain if you don’t agree with my explanation above?

    Yes shozh is .. again?
    In short .. based on the results of the hydanny revolution, Crimea became a subject and took advantage of this opportunity, became an object within the Russian Federation.
    Donbass did not become a subject. To do this, go through the procedure. The first one has already been done, the referendum has been held, the decision has been made and defended with arms.
    Next, we need to hold elections. But elections must be held throughout the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, yet they participated in the referendum.
    So .. while the fat dries, the dead dies .. and the troops from the Donbass Kiev will have to remove. Then everything will be.
  • Red Dragon
    Red Dragon April 4 2020 21: 02 New
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    And why did not become a "subject" of the Donbass? If they wanted, they would send troops like in the Crimea, and would become exactly the same “subject”. Maybe they just didn’t want to make him a “subject”? I repeat, in the Crimea, the sun and the base of the Navy, and in the Donbass, deep mines and in many places ditched ecology. That’s the whole difference. what
  • dvina71
    dvina71 April 4 2020 21: 06 New
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    Quote: Red Dragon
    And why did not become a "subject" of the Donbass?

    Well, direct kindergarten .. Who made the decision on the referendum in the Crimea? The Supreme Council of Crimea, elected before the revolution .. That is, a legitimate electoral authority. This is what makes Crimea a subject.
    In Donetsk and Lugansk, the representatives of the people quit right after the February events. A territory without power cannot be a subject.
  • Red Dragon
    Red Dragon April 4 2020 21: 20 New
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    Well, they would have gathered the deputies of the Regional Council of Donetsk and Lugansk and would also have voted. Who cares? Permission to send troops to Ukraine was obtained; they would organize the same referendum without noise and dust if they wanted to. But they didn’t want to. Donbass of Russia is not needed; that’s all, for the reasons mentioned above. winked
  • dvina71
    dvina71 April 4 2020 21: 30 New
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    Quote: Red Dragon
    Well, they would have gathered the deputies of the Regional Council of Donetsk and Lugansk and would also have voted. Who cares?

    Well, they couldn’t .. they dumped far .. only a few remained .. History has no subjunctive mood .. In Crimea, the armed forces remained in place ..
  • Red Dragon
    Red Dragon April 4 2020 21: 45 New
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    All the same, they did not want to. If you would, we could. In Crimea, they just wanted to assemble and assembled. laughing
  • revnagan
    revnagan April 5 2020 10: 04 New
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    Quote: dvina71
    I didn’t pick it up .. I accepted it. This is a very different approach.

    If the gopnik takes your wallet on the street, then do not rush to contact the police. He did not pick it up, but simply accepted it into his ... pocket. This is a different approach good .
  • revnagan
    revnagan April 5 2020 10: 00 New
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    Quote: Red Dragon
    Yes, Russia took the Crimea.

    And how she took it ... In violation of her own promise to preserve the territorial integrity of Ukraine. But Ukraine voluntarily gave her nuclear weapons for it. And how did you need to psychologically treat your citizens so that they were proud that their country acted so cynically and treacherously ? And indeed they are really proud, they say, what good fellows we are, have deceived these ... naive Selyukov. And nuclear weapons have taken away, and the territory. What good fellows are we. And at the same time they nod to the decline of morals in Ukraine.
  • ccsr
    ccsr April 5 2020 13: 19 New
    +1
    Quote: Red Dragon
    So the coal of Russia

    We cherish the Russian people living in the Donbass, that’s why we send humanitarian aid there constantly so that they can withstand the war with Svidomo. Such people will be useful to us in Russia - they have proved by their deeds that they are real Russian people, and not Svidomo beggars.
  • Red Dragon
    Red Dragon April 5 2020 14: 08 New
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    Cherish Well done. People live in the territory of the “people's republics”, which is not even recognized by Russia, they leave wherever they can, who go to Russia, who go to Ukraine. Assistants are such assistants. By the way, are you sure that all your humanitarian aid reaches ordinary people? And he doesn’t settle in the pockets of giants of thought, the honored MMMs of Pushilin and his cheerful associates. Why are you sure that Pushilin forgot his skills in MMM and became crystal clear suddenly? wink
  • ccsr
    ccsr April 5 2020 14: 50 New
    +3
    Quote: Red Dragon
    Cherish Well done.

    We are trying, as Putin said, we are not abandoning our own.
    Quote: Red Dragon
    And it doesn’t settle in the pockets of giants of thought, the honored MMMs of Pushilin and his cheerful associates.

    Do you regret that you personally do not fall?
    Quote: Red Dragon
    Why are you sure that Pushilin forgot his job skills at MMM and suddenly became crystal honest?

    I am sure that the inhabitants of Donbass themselves, without the participation of the Ukrainian authorities, will figure out who to trust them. As far as I know, even if they are dissatisfied with their power, they simply hate the Ukrainian power, and they won’t be asked for anything back.
  • Red Dragon
    Red Dragon April 5 2020 14: 56 New
    -2
    But I know some residents of Donetsk personally, who are very dissatisfied with the current state of affairs in the DPR and who had to move to our city. How to be with them for example? And I do not envy Pushilin. Why envy people with a tarnished reputation? Or do you think everyone wants to be crooks? Regards, Red Dragon.
  • ccsr
    ccsr April 5 2020 17: 41 New
    +2
    Quote: Red Dragon
    How to be with them for example?

    Everyone decides for himself how it was in the Crimea in the elections - this is a matter of his conscience.
    Quote: Red Dragon
    And I do not envy Pushilin.

    And I do not envy the inhabitants of Donbass - they have to suffer for the fact that the Ukrainian nationalists decided to destroy them.
    Quote: Red Dragon
    Do you think everyone wants to be crooks?

    Ask this question to Yatsenyuk - where is the wall on the border?
  • Red Dragon
    Red Dragon April 5 2020 17: 48 New
    -2
    Dear, it was you who suggested that I envy Pushilin, regretting that I don’t get humanitarian aid. This assumption is YOUR, not mine. I answered you, I do not envy the crooks. You will not deny that the participants in the MMM are crooks? And here is Yatsenyuk and the wall, where I said that I envy Yatsenyuk, do you even read your own comments? belay
  • Sarkazm
    Sarkazm April 4 2020 19: 08 New
    +2
    Ukrainians, like us, are also leaving for the Soviet backlog, tests have shown that they created RCC, personnel, backlog and technology of the USSR once again and then showed that in the 90s we turned off a straight path onto a curved track.

    It is unpleasant every time to read any nonsense that has nothing to do purely in the military-technical issue.
    For all the jingoistic patriots screaming under Vlasov’s banners, sorry didn’t want to offend the wretched, but YOU did nothing to call the Su-27 “Soviet-Russian”. Su-27 is a SOVIET fighter, like its development and reincarnation, due to the fact that the chain from the beginning of research, design, prototypes, etc. it is the DECADES, there is nothing purely Russian right now, there is only the Soviet, and only what is left of us from the USSR. And on the MiG-29 and on the Su-27, the Ura-patriots under the Vlasov banners have as many rights as the schizoid under the yellowish-black. All this was created by ONE country.
    By the way, it is very symbolic that the grave of our traitor is covered with a Vlasov rag ...
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter April 4 2020 19: 31 New
      -4
      Ukrainians, just like we still travel to the Soviet reserve

      Of course, especially the Soviet legacy of Yars, S-400, Su-57, X-101, X-50, Dagger, Zircon, T-14, T-15,
      Boomerang, Poseidon, Borey, Ash, X-59MK2, Nudol, S-500, Iskander-M, S-350 and more.
      For all the jingoistic patriots screaming under the Vlasov banners

      Why is the current Tricolor, which has become a symbol of the state under Peter the Great, someone trying to call Vlasov? With the same success, this flag can be called, not from a great mind, of course, the flag of Uncle Viti and any other person who has enough imagination.
      Su-27 is a SOVIET fighter, like its development and reincarnation, due to the fact that the chain from the beginning of research, design, prototypes, etc. it's the DECADES

      Yes, yes, yes. And the Su-35S, Su-30SM are also Soviet. Yes and the Su-57 are also a Soviet fighter. To lie like that. And the fact that they are designed and manufactured in the RSFSR and the Russian Federation doesn’t mean anything of course. Everything is Soviet, well, that’s common , well, that is, Ukrainian, including, ..not purely Ukrainian.
      And on the MiG-29 and on the Su-27, the Ura-patriots under the Vlasov banners have as many rights as the schizoid under the yellowish-black.

      Well. What did I say above?
      1. Fishery
        Fishery April 4 2020 19: 50 New
        +2
        Peter is generally a foreign agent)))))))))) according to the present)
        1. Sky strike fighter
          Sky strike fighter April 4 2020 20: 04 New
          -4
          Peter The first prototype of the first scout. He penetrated the lair of the enemies, obtained information, technologies and introduced innovations into the foundation of the construction of New Russia, built a fleet, defeated the Swedes, so that was all through. wink yes
          1. dvina71
            dvina71 April 4 2020 20: 32 New
            -1
            Quote: Sky Strike fighter
            Swedes broke

            It is necessary to clarify .. the Swedes broke the galley fleet .. that is, his European tour has nothing to do with it ..
    2. dvina71
      dvina71 April 4 2020 20: 04 New
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      Quote: Sarkazm
      Ukrainians, just like we still travel to the Soviet reserve

      What can you say about the battleships of the RKKF in the light of such a topic?
      1. Sky strike fighter
        Sky strike fighter April 4 2020 20: 07 New
        -3
        He will say that their projects are based on drawings of ships of ancient ukrov. It's obvious.
    3. Moon
      Moon April 4 2020 22: 42 New
      -2
      Quote: Sarkazm
      And on the MiG-29 and on the Su-27, the Ura-patriots under the Vlasov banners have as many rights as the schizoid under the yellowish-black. All this was created by ONE country.

      Well said.
      And most importantly the truth.
      Shards of the Great Country puffed up on the Soviet backlog. But in every possible way, appropriating it completely to himself and denying this right to his neighbor.
      They share everything that does not belong, from Victory to a small detail ...
  • APASUS
    APASUS April 4 2020 19: 13 New
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    Usually, their success in the field of rocket technology, at least confirm with a video. You can write, Neptune hit the satellite at a distance of 750 km, while while the rocket got to the target it knocked out another 3 satellites laughing wink laughing
    1. Bshkaus
      Bshkaus April 4 2020 21: 47 New
      +2
      , at least confirm with a video

      With animation studios in Ukraine, too strained wink
      1. revnagan
        revnagan April 5 2020 10: 08 New
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        Quote: Bshkaus
        With animation studios in Ukraine, too strained

        ... unlike the Russian Federation.
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith April 4 2020 19: 58 New
    -1
    RCC "Neptune", he is a girl X-35:

    The development of the anti-ship missile system “Uranus” with the X-35 cruise missile for arming boats and medium displacement ships was started in accordance with the Resolution of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers of the USSR and the Central Committee of the CPSU of April 16, 1984 (according to other sources, the decision was issued on March 16, 1983 ) OKB Zvezda (currently part of the Tactical Missile Weapons Corporation) was identified as the head developer, and as chief designer G.I. Ukrainians. The development of the launcher was carried out by KBM in Moscow.


    Ukrainians laughing
    The surname of the chief designer is hoh-lov, but you see obscene, since it cannot be written normally))))
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    2. Cowbra
      Cowbra April 4 2020 21: 07 New
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      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      The surname of the chief designer is hoh-lov, but you see obscene, since it cannot be written normally))))

      No, no ... Hohlov - a former chief designer, in the sense of a coach, Dynamo, only he was promoted last fall winked That is, they fired
    3. Moon
      Moon April 4 2020 22: 45 New
      -2
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      RCC "Neptune", he / she is a girl X-35:

      Developers in Ukraine have not hidden the origin for a long time. And why is chosen.
      And honestly admitted to the main task (GOS)
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra April 4 2020 20: 26 New
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    On planet Earth there is such a thing - the "Black Sea". It is extremely rich in various resources. For example, Russia is there, near the Crimea - it produces gas. And Ukraine produces "on ... figs" wink And when the “nafig” of Ukraine ends, this country is building some kind of stray, it happens differently. Sometimes, for example, he wanders on scruffs to see if the Crimean Bridge has surplus “what for” ... Usually he gets it. "Nafig" rushes from the coast of the peninsula ... "Nafig" is shipped from the coast guard patrol guards of the Russian Federation .... But the most high-quality and weighty nafig flies from the ships of the Black Sea Fleet
    1. Moon
      Moon April 5 2020 08: 21 New
      -2
      Quote: Cowbra
      For example, Russia is there, near the Crimea - it produces gas

      For example, in the Ukrainian economic zone. Arrogantly so (there even if you take into account the Crimea, they still mine in Ukrainian)
      Odessa field.
      But who is stronger is right. For this, they do not even announce sanctions. There can be conflicts constantly.
      1. ccsr
        ccsr April 5 2020 13: 25 New
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        Quote: Σελήνη
        But who is stronger is right.

        As it turned out, Romania turned out to be stronger than Ukraine, and squeezed out territorial waters:
        On September 16, 2004, Romania filed a memorandum with the UN International Court of Justice regarding the delimitation of the continental shelf in the area. On February 3, 2009, the International Court of Justice at The Hague unanimously adopted a compromise decision on the maritime border between the countries. The court recognized Snake Island as what Kiev insisted on (the Romanian side claimed that it was nothing more than a large rock). On the other hand, the court did not recognize Ukraine’s claims that the location of the island significantly affects the maritime border between the countries, and, according to Romanian representatives, they remained “80% satisfied” in their territorial claims. As a result, Snake remained in the status of Ukrainian territory, and the court itself drew the sea border between the two states, with which both Kiev and Bucharest agreed [16] [17].
        Of the total shelf area of ​​12 thousand square kilometers, Romania received 9700 square kilometers (79,34% of the territory)[18].
    2. revnagan
      revnagan April 5 2020 10: 11 New
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      Quote: Cowbra
      On planet Earth there is such a thing - the "Black Sea". It is extremely rich in various resources. For example, Russia is there, near the Crimea - it produces gas. And Ukraine produces "on ... figs"

      Yeah, the Russian Federation produces gas ... on the Ukrainian shelf and using drilling platforms captured from Ukraine good .
  • Mentat
    Mentat April 4 2020 21: 25 New
    0
    Quote: Dead Day
    will you demand our life in return ...?

    This is a deep stage of insanity or moonshine hit a pumpkin?
  • Mentat
    Mentat April 4 2020 21: 31 New
    +2
    Quote: Sky Strike fighter
    For all the jingoistic patriots screaming under the Vlasov banners

    Why is the current Tricolor, which has become a symbol of the state under Peter the Great, someone trying to call Vlasov?

    Because these people are frankly insane. And the one you answer is a banal paid bot, a representative of one of the oldest professions. He doesn’t care who he’s lying under ... i.e. what to write.
  • Grigory_45
    Grigory_45 April 4 2020 21: 40 New
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    According to the developers, during the test, a missile with an inert warhead successfully hit a floating target at a distance of 75 km.

    for some reason, the article does not say that three missile launches were made, and all three successfully hit the target.

    No matter how they blame and mock Ukrainian industry, they created a fully operational rocket. Although not very modern, but still. A wake-up call for us
    1. Avior
      Avior April 4 2020 21: 53 New
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      As I understand it, before that they shot at stationary
      Verified range 285 km
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra April 4 2020 22: 02 New
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        Quote: Avior
        Verified range 285 km

        And along the road, the dead with braids stand ... And silence ...:
        https://naukatehnika.com/ispyitaniya-raket-olxa-m-raketyi-neptun.html
        maximum launch range - 280 km

        A year ago - on April 5, 2019, the first prototype of the Neptune cruise missile (in the R-360A version) successfully completed the flight mission during the tests - “having flown more than 100 km in the sea direction, made a 180-degree turn, and on the way back definitely hit the target. " This time, the range, accuracy and technical characteristics of the Neptune missiles and their ground-based complex RK-360 MC were checked. It is reported that during the test of cruise missiles, a check was carried out on the range and accuracy of the destruction of naval targets. Surface targets were hit at a distance of about 100 km.
        1. Avior
          Avior April 4 2020 22: 34 New
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          Range tests were in 2018
          1. Cowbra
            Cowbra April 4 2020 23: 01 New
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            Quote: Avior
            Range tests were in 2018

            Quote: Cowbra
            One year ago - April 5, 2019 first prototype cruise missile "Neptune"


            ... and fables
            1. Avior
              Avior April 4 2020 23: 13 New
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              https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Нептун_(крылатая_ракета)

              https://topwar.ru/150862-proekt-neptun-ukraina-raketa-novaja-problemy-starye.html
            2. Grigory_45
              Grigory_45 April 4 2020 23: 52 New
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              Quote: Cowbra
              Quote: Cowbra
              A year ago - April 5, 2019, the first prototype of the Neptune cruise missile

              December 5, 2018 - test launch, verification of missile range, control and accuracy of guidance. Destroyed target at a distance of 280 km
      2. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 April 4 2020 23: 35 New
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        Quote: Avior
        As I understand it, before that they shot at stationary

        It was a deal. But in this test (April 2 for a real purpose), three missiles were shot. This was stated by Oleg Korostelev, chief designer of the GKKB "Luch"
        1. Avior
          Avior April 4 2020 23: 42 New
          +2
          Judging by the latest tests, it’s about production and adoption
          The presence of a rocket even a mosquito fleet in Ukraine and coastal complexes of RCC will lead to the need to keep certain fleet forces in the Black Sea and will bind the freedom to use the Black Sea Fleet, as I understand it
    2. bukhach
      bukhach April 5 2020 02: 00 New
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      Listen, well enough already, by golly! And the missiles of the NATO countries do not bother you, no? Only the Ukrainian ringing is alarming and menacing! Stop pouring balm on the souls of ukrov, they are dying with happiness. Let them do what they want to strengthen their forces is it their personal affair, is it something for us? You think they’ll climb up like that, they’ll need to be afraid of these big ones, there are more terrible and dangerous enemies. Not well, because of malice towards Russia they are the first, so God didn’t give the cheerful cow the horns, here they are actively growing these horns in order to break them again.
      1. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 April 5 2020 11: 10 New
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        Quote: Buhach
        No, well, out of spite for Russia, they are the first

        So you yourself answered your own question. The appearance of a completely modern weapon in the hands of a very unfriendly (and if directly - then openly hostile) state, which is in the most immediate proximity of borders, in the hands of not always and not quite adequate people ... Maybe a shot. As if by chance
        Moreover, Neptune is able to hit not only sea, but also ground targets.
        It can be put on boats, they already have a coastal complex, a rocket can be hung under the plane (not only a fighter, but also a patrol one, for example, An-26, when installing the appropriate equipment)

        In any case, the potential threat must be taken seriously into account, which will make it necessary to attract additional forces to the Black Sea Fleet.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 5 2020 07: 04 New
    +1
    If I understood correctly, without a homing head with an inert warhead, this is what’s called fired and then, as God puts it, the matter of chance will fall, or vice versa, by. It's like throwing a stone in a big way, and there it will turn out. In this case, evidence in the studio, otherwise I can also lie seven miles to heaven and everything is forest. .
    1. Moon
      Moon April 5 2020 08: 24 New
      -3
      Quote: Ros 56
      If I understand correctly, without a homing head with an inert warhead

      read the article carefully.
  • Moore
    Moore April 5 2020 07: 07 New
    +2

    THE INVASION OF AN INDIVIDUAL INDIVIDUALS ON THE PUBLICATION I SEE ....
    1. Prjanik
      Prjanik April 5 2020 15: 26 New
      +2
      Yeah, they’ve hardened everyone here)
  • Sarkazm
    Sarkazm April 7 2020 20: 06 New
    0
    Quote: Sky Strike fighter
    Ukrainians, just like we still travel to the Soviet reserve

    Of course, especially the Soviet legacy of Yars, S-400, Su-57, X-101, X-50, Dagger, Zircon, T-14, T-15,
    Boomerang, Poseidon, Borey, Ash, X-59MK2, Nudol, S-500, Iskander-M, S-350 and more.
    For all the jingoistic patriots screaming under the Vlasov banners

    Why is the current Tricolor, which has become a symbol of the state under Peter the Great, someone trying to call Vlasov? With the same success, this flag can be called, not from a great mind, of course, the flag of Uncle Viti and any other person who has enough imagination.
    Su-27 is a SOVIET fighter, like its development and reincarnation, due to the fact that the chain from the beginning of research, design, prototypes, etc. it's the DECADES

    Yes, yes, yes. And the Su-35S, Su-30SM are also Soviet. Yes and the Su-57 are also a Soviet fighter. To lie like that. And the fact that they are designed and manufactured in the RSFSR and the Russian Federation doesn’t mean anything of course. Everything is Soviet, well, that’s common , well, that is, Ukrainian, including, ..not purely Ukrainian.
    And on the MiG-29 and on the Su-27, the Ura-patriots under the Vlasov banners have as many rights as the schizoid under the yellowish-black.

    Well. What did I say above?

    AND? At least read when they started working not only on the S-400, but also on the S-500 ... T-14 Armata - read the history of Soviet tank building, but it’s stupid if you are lazy to run through the materials here, don’t consider it work!
    And then you read, so there was such a country ZERO, PURE SHEET, EBF appeared, GDP peeped and hatched behind it, and in this country ZERO, Suddenly, developments sprang from the cornucopia, WITHOUT SCHOOL, WITHOUT WORK, WITHOUT CONTINUITY.

    "Dagger", if it were not for the bear America and fucking, would, sorry, hz when, these developments are called - to take daddy, blow off the dust and do, and with the latter sometimes problems.
    There is nothing to tell here about the RUSSIAN or the RSFSR, and half of the scientists in the same Ukrainian SSR were Russians, and we had Ukrainians, the remaining half were understandable to the Jews ... then there was internationalism, and not a refuge in the form of slopping the brother’s slaves at the behest of the gentlemen . It’s disgusting to go on, and the neo-Dragians have frankly tired of it - they cannot write an infection without errors, but they "created" the Daggers and T-14 ...

    Regarding the flag of the Russian Empire and the Vlasov tricolor ... - to school.