The Norwegian press announced the formation of the first dictatorship in the European Union

The European press discusses the situation with rights and freedoms in Europe against the backdrop of the well-known crisis. So, in the Norwegian edition of Aftenposten an article was published by Zilla Chimbalmos, which announces the appearance of the first dictatorship in the vastness of the European Union.

According to the observer, Hungary can be considered such a dictatorship, where Prime Minister Viktor Orban "is trying to concentrate all power in the hands of a pandemic."

Chimbalmos writes that some time ago in Hungary "signs of the formation of a dictatorship" were already showing, but then the opinion of this was considered overly exaggerated.

From the article:

The Hungarian parliament recently passed a crisis law giving the head of government enhanced authority to fight the coronavirus. If no one exerts pressure on Hungary from outside, then in the end a full-fledged dictatorship will form in the center of Europe. After all, the new crisis gives the Prime Minister the right to manage the legislative sphere, and this makes the country's parliament superfluous.

Zilla Chimbalmos writes that the new law is not temporary, and that, in her opinion, will allow Orban to use it against the Hungarian opposition.

From the article:

The government has already put forward a number of resolutions under the new law, which have nothing to do with the fight against coronavirus.

The author believes that the ban on visiting theaters and the suspension of the development of park zones in Hungary is “abuse”. As if in other European countries no such measures were taken.

Chimbalmos, a member of the Norwegian branch of the Helsinki Group, writes that "for many, the decisions of the Hungarian government provoked a negative reaction." The author reflects on “violation of human rights in Hungary, including the rights of sexual minorities, the homeless and refugees”.

As you can see, against the backdrop of the spread of coronavirus in Europe, the domestic political struggle is intensifying, in which liberal elites and those who are inclined to defend national politics have come together.

Comments

[Ilya-spb]

There is no sense in democracies. People are waiting for an iron hand and order.

European democracy has shown itself against the backdrop of coronovirus.

[Ros 56]

A weak hand needs a weak man, normal people need a normal adequate power to rule the country, which, if necessary, could use force to inadequate. It is necessary to create a party of common sense.

[Ilya-spb]

So I saw normal people. Normal people are in trouble. Czechs stole Italians masks. The Poles did not let airplanes through. Russians and Chinese came to the rescue.

[mole]

The owner of Alibaba sent humanitarian aid in the form of masks to Russia (he learned from the Internet), the next day the Ministry of Defense sent a plane with humanitarian aid in the form of masks to the United States (he learned from the media), the next day the Americans said that they bought the masks.
Once again I am convinced: "To whom the war, to whom the mother is dear."
"There are no masks in pharmacies, so why do you need them! Masks still do not help!"

[iouris]

The Poles were not addressed. It was a successful anti-Polish special operation carried out by one senator on his own initiative, like "he thinks this way."

[venik]

Quote: Ilya-spb

Russians and Chinese came to the rescue.

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They forgot about the Cubans and Venezuelans - they also seem to help!

[Valery Valery]

Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, etc. - are second-class countries for the EU.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Ros 56

A weak hand needs a weak man, normal people need a normal adequate power to rule the country, which, if necessary, could use force to inadequate. It is necessary to create a party of common sense.

in Rome at the time they introduced a dictatorship for six months during difficult war or dangerous situations.
and the Romans were not fools in the sense of governing the state.
during a crisis, parliament cannot timely respond to requests for reality.
after six months, the dictator should have had blood from his nose but leave the post.
if not, he became an enemy of the people and every citizen could and should have made efforts to send him to the forefathers.
with this moment in our time is difficult.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Maki Avellievich

and the Romans were not fools in the sense of governing the state.

And so they moved from democracy to monarchy.
However, "not fools" and it did not help.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Spade

However, "not fools" and it did not help.

you organize an empire that will stand for thousands of years and then laugh at the stupid Romans. their construction state. structures and language formed the basis of European
(Russian as well) culture.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Maki Avellievich

you organize an empire that will stand for years with a thousand

A thousand?
From Trajan to the collapse of the empire lived 400 years with a penny. Does not pull on "commercials with a thousand"
And even if we take the beginning of the war with Carthage as the starting line, 264 + 476 = 740 years. Which is also less than a thousand.
Only the Reich was "millennial" in our history.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Spade

A thousand?
From Trajan to the collapse of the empire lived 400 years with a penny. Does not pull on "commercials with a thousand"
And even if we take the beginning of the war with Carthage as the starting line, 264 + 476 = 740 years. Which is also less than a thousand.
Only the Reich was "millennial" in our history.

https://inance.ru/2016/10/rim-01/

n, with Rome and the Roman Empire began before Julius Caesar

[Lopatov]

Quote: Maki Avellievich

https://inance.ru/2016/10/rim-01/

n, with Rome and the Roman Empire began before Julius Caesar

This is all, of course, interesting.
But from the moment when "Empire" occupied less territory than modern Italy, it took 740 years to collapse. This is a concrete fact.

[cost]

The first emperor (in the modern sense) of Rome was Octavian Augustus: after defeating Mark Anthony and returning from Egypt, he made a triumph and January 13, 27 BC e. resigned from emergency powers before the Senate and announced the restoration of the Republic, but retained the command of 75 legions and the title of emperor (as a permanent denomination).
After the assassination of Emperor Commodus, the Roman Empire entered the crisis of the III century, when numerous usurpers began to appear. In 395, the empire was finally divided into the Western Roman Empire and the Eastern Roman Empire.
In 476 year the last Western Roman emperor Romulus August was overthrown (although Julius Nepot formally considered himself emperor until 480). The Western Roman Empire fell, and the Eastern Roman Empire, called historians from that time Byzantium, continued to exist for almost a thousand years, until 1453, when Constantinople was captured by the Ottoman Turks.

[Eragon]

Quote: Spade

Only the Reich was "millennial" in our history.

Second Rome forgotten? 1100 years of Byzantium.
And the Third Rome is not quoted by you? Here, the truth is how to count - you can from 1453, and you can from 988.

[Sergej1972]

The Roman Empire was not a monarchy of the kind that existed in a later period in medieval Europe. Republican elements remained in the Roman Empire; it was of a hybrid nature. And very often the name "Roman Republic" was still used. For the Romans, monarchy, empire meant a strong power of one person. And in medieval Europe, monarchy was understood, first of all, as the hereditary nature of the transfer of power to the ruler.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Sergej1972

Republican elements remained in the Roman Empire; it was of a hybrid nature. And very often the name "Roman Republic" was still used.

In fact, the Romans never called their state that way, they called it a republic to the end, it was already historians who later called a certain period of the Roman state "empire" ...

[Slavs]

Quote: Ros 56

normal people

Please specify your definition of a normal person. Question without a catch. Interesting.

[16329]

That is, you divide people into "normal" and "wimps", be careful, read Dostoevsky, otherwise you will go and some grandmother of that .., and even someone from her relatives for the company

[gurzuf]

Aha! A strong hand is especially not needed when "normal people" start a fight for power. A strong hand is needed - always.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Ros 56

A weak hand needs a weak man, normal people need a normal adequate power to rule the country, which, if necessary, could use force to inadequate. It is necessary to create a party of common sense.

And why do you Edro - not a party of common sense? All with money, in power. It is necessary for the AUCPB to restore the sample of the 20-30s - they worked for the country, and not for themselves.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Ilya-spb

There is no sense in democracies. People are waiting for an iron hand and order.

European democracy has shown itself against the backdrop of coronovirus.

All this has already taken place in Germany and Italy, the beginning of the 20th century. And there was an iron hand, and order and so on. And the fact that bourgeois democracy is not the power of the people is a fact. This is the power of big capital and has nothing to do with democracy.

[AU Ivanov.]

As if our dictatorship of the Communist Party was the power of the people. The Soviets were a purely decorative organ, and power belonged to a handful of partocrats.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

As if our dictatorship of the Communist Party was the power of the people. The Soviets were a purely decorative organ, and the power belonged to a handful of partyocrats

The councils never became a purely decorative organ, although this is not the case. Agree with me that the USSR was a much more social state, and both economically and militarily, it was not commensurably stronger.

[AU Ivanov.]

Militarily, no doubt. In the economic one too, though the Soviet economy was turned back to the people. According to the residual principle.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

the Soviet economy was turned back to the people

What do you mean by that? If you mean a deficit, then yes, it was the same. Personally, I believe that Khrushchev should not have closed artels and cooperatives, I think this was the reason for the shortage in the future.

[Sergej1972]

There was a deficit with the existence of artels. Moreover, in the light industry, in the industry for the production of consumer goods, the output of state-owned enterprises was many times greater than the output of the cooperative (namely, cooperative, and not private) sector, even during the heyday of promartels.

[alekseykabanets]

I did not live with "the existence of artels", therefore, it is difficult for me to judge, it is necessary to raise documents, however, according to the logic of things, under Stalin there could be a shortage of money, but there was hardly a shortage of any products, or industrial. goods.

[AU Ivanov.]

This is the first - there was no need to touch the artels. And when the "tsekhoviks" appeared, they had to be legalized, taxed and protected from crime with all the might of law enforcement agencies. And now we would have entrepreneurs - production workers who did not privatize their enterprises, but created themselves, from scratch.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

This is the first - there was no need to touch the artels. And when the "tsekhoviks" appeared, they had to be legalized, taxed and protected from crime with all the might of law enforcement agencies. And now we would have entrepreneurs - production workers who did not privatize their enterprises, but created themselves, from scratch.

I completely agree with you, however, the most important thing is the state’s monopoly on wage labor. Those. private traders should not have the right to use wage labor, and accordingly receive surplus value. Only on a cooperative basis, should any non-state enterprises be built.

[AU Ivanov.]

This is the reason for the lag of the USSR in the production of consumer goods and agriculture - the lack of private ownership of the means of production and the use of wage labor. Private trader, in the process of growth will inevitably come to hired labor. It was necessary to switch to market relations in the late 60s.

[Dali]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

This is the reason for the lag of the USSR in the production of consumer goods and agriculture - the lack of private ownership of the means of production and the use of wage labor.

Prove ...

But I’ll tell you that this is not so, and that at the end of 70gg and the beginning of 80gg, the party membership, which decided in the end to become the new rich Pinocchio in the USSR, stopped investing in the development of civilian production - like we’ll buy for oil, we’ll have enough , and the people will crumble ...

So it turns out this is a question of upbringing, ideology, well, and perhaps people (not only in the USSR) have not yet matured to a higher-level society ... otherwise, where did all this party party come from, how did these "comrades" get into power.

And why all the republics, except the RSFSR, dated, who are more who are less, but dated.

And how much money was poured into the so-called developing countries?
And in return, what did you get economically? By the way, I’m not saying that they shouldn’t help ... but resources were still wasted ...

So there are enough reasons, and when you put them all together, it turns out that your thesis about private property is generally about nothing ...

[AU Ivanov.]

We well remember that clumsy state trade and industry are the first cause of the shortage. The same notorious jeans: the state swayed for about 10 years, the guild began to sew them almost at the same time as the fashion for them.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

We well remember that clumsy state trade and industry are the first cause of the shortage. The same notorious jeans: the state swayed for about 10 years, the guild began to sew them almost at the same time as the fashion for them.

We are not talking about slowness state. machines, but about cooperatives and private ownership of the means of production. You think in vain that the development of a cooperative economy inevitably leads to private ownership of the means of production. Under Stalin there were collective farms millionaires (state farms millionaires) who themselves decided, at a meeting, to build a kindergarten for the collective farm or to build a new current for them. Somehow they were organized, after all, and the cooperatives were very large, since they made electron beam tubes for the first televisions and radios did, for that time they were very technological goods.

[AU Ivanov.]

Cooperative property is good, but why is private property so bad? It does not interfere.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

Cooperative property is good, but why is private property so bad? It does not interfere.

It is not private property as such that is bad, but private ownership of the means of production. Because it (i.e. private property) implies the appropriation of surplus value by the owner of the means of production. It turns out that the owner of the means of production riches much faster than the others, then the owner of the means of production, using the accumulated material resources, begins to influence the political structure of the state (clan, tribe, etc.). It is quite natural that he does not influence in the direction of the interests of the majority of citizens, but in the direction of even greater strengthening of his influence (accumulation of material resources, for gaining even more power). Which, in my opinion, is contrary to the interests of most citizens, i.e. contrary to democracy, as the power of the people.

[AU Ivanov.]

I do not see the difference between the exploitation of man by man and the exploitation of man by the state. In both cases, it is the exploitation and appropriation of value added.

[alekseykabanets]

The difference is that in the appropriation of surplus value by the state, there is no person (s) who, using the accumulated material resources, will become above the state and force the state to serve their interests, as we have today. Another thing is how to make the state serve the interests of the majority. There are many works of theorists of Marxism and this is a very big topic, not for comment.

[Hypatius]

I do not see the difference between the exploitation of man by man and the exploitation of man by the state. In both cases, it is the exploitation and appropriation of value added.

The difference is manifested depending on who owns and serves the state. The USSR de jure belonged to citizens of the USSR, and was governed through the Soviets. The de facto Communist Party, after Khrushchev’s reforms, seized control. With this seizure, the CPSU organized a new class - conditional demos, lowering the remaining citizens to the level of conditional plebos, essentially depriving them of their citizenship (here. A citizen is a co-owner of the state as property). What does it sound: democracy in Russia encourages people to participate in a plebiscite? Here, obviously, democracy is not equal to democracy, and people are not citizens. But, back to the de jure and the Soviets. We have class 1 — citizens of the USSR (conditional patricians) who create, manage, maintain (including an army for protection) common property — the state. And they get nishtyaks from this property - apartments, medicine, pensions ... Who should give the increase, in someone else’s pocket or in a common boiler?

[Protos]

Quote: AU Ivanov.

This is the reason for the lag of the USSR in the production of consumer goods and agriculture - the lack of private ownership of the means of production and the use of wage labor. Private trader, in the process of growth will inevitably come to hired labor. It was necessary to switch to market relations in the late 60s.

Do not stars!
"During the years of Soviet power in agriculture, significant in scale and social consequences, socio-economic changes have taken place. In accordance with the Leninist cooperative plan, a system of large socialist state and cooperative agricultural enterprises - state and collective farms, which have become the main producers of agricultural products, has been created and operates effectively. The living conditions of Soviet peasants changed beyond recognition. From a backward production based on manual labor, agriculture has turned into a large, technically equipped industry that plays an important role in the world economy. The USSR occupies the first place in the world in the production of wheat, rye, barley, sugar beets, potatoes, sunflowers, cotton, milk, 1nd in terms of sheep, 2rd in total agricultural production, cattle, grain harvest The Soviet Union is a major exporter of many types of agricultural products (grain, cotton, grows. and animal oil, fur raw materials, etc.). "

[AU Ivanov.]

Yeah, significant shifts. So they moved that they bought grain in Canada, and the people in the queues for sausage choked. And yes, first place. By the number of deficits.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

Yeah, significant shifts. So they moved that they bought grain in Canada, and the people in the queues for sausage choked. And yes, first place. By the number of deficits.

They bought grain for livestock feed, now cattle are as much as in 1942, therefore they sell it, there is no one to feed it. For deficit I wrote above.

[gurzuf]

Everything is relative. A pure product can only be in vitro ... and then until a certain point.

[16329]

In Germany and Italy at the beginning of the 20th century there was national socialism.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: 16329

In Germany and Italy at the beginning of the 20th century there was national socialism.

Do not confuse God's gift with fried eggs.

[Basil50]

Please note humor statements.
Kingdom of Norway, near the kingdom of Sweden and Denmark, very close to the kingdom of England and the Netherlands. In these countries there are NO CITIZENS by definition, and at the same time there are the most lamentations about democracy (democracy) in other countries

[Sergej1972]

In Norway and Sweden, operetta monarchies. while in Great Britain and Belgium, for example, formally, the powers of the monarchs are very large, in these two countries, as well as in Asian Japan, they are even small on paper, a few points in the constitution. In Norway and Sweden, part of the powers belonging to other monarchies in other parliamentary monarchies are exercised by talmans (parliament speakers). In Sweden, even a tallyman nominates a candidate for the post of prime minister of the country. This may be an exaggeration, but de facto in Sweden and Norway the powers of the head of state are divided between kings and speakers of parliament. And the executive branch is in the hands of the prime ministers.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Ilya-spb

People are waiting for an iron hand and order.

Someone conducted a survey? Show the result please.
Or did you spend it yourself?
If yes, show the result.
If not, then who gave you the right to speak on behalf of the people?
I am a man. Did you ask me?
I don't need an "iron hand"

[Irokez]

Quote: Lipchanin

I don't need an "iron hand"

And the state with its laws, is it not an iron hand? A step away from the law and the law punishes you with fines or prison.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Irokez

And the state with its laws, is it not an iron hand?

So this is the law. And not the whim of one person who can spit on laws
And without laws, not one community can exist

[Irokez]

In one of the topics (about two days ago), I already discussed the topic of dictatorship.
https://topwar.ru/169727-rodrigo-duterte-dal-ukazanie-streljat-v-narushitelej-porjadka-vo-vremja-karantina.html#comment-id-10287512

Soon, all countries due to world problems will switch to governance in the form of dictatorship.
And by the way, why is dictatorship considered bad?
Yes, because this opinion mainly comes from global democrats for whom elections every 4-5 years are an opportunity to influence the state if it did not vote correctly for globalists, that is, not in their interests.
But in essence, a dictatorship, the power of one is good and bad, so to speak, if a normal dictator and for his country is good, and if a puppet in the hands of globalized democrats is bad. But it’s just that the Democrats are not touching the puppets, and the country's patriots are spread rot and are trying to overthrow. Therefore, the 4-5 year election for the Democrats is their patrimony and an indispensable condition imposed throughout the world because through the elections it is possible to count the votes as needed, and not as it should.

[Lipchanin]

I remember this post of yours. I didn’t give an assessment, so I couldn’t refute or confirm your arguments
For me, everything is ambiguous.
But I definitely don't need a dictator with an "iron hand".

[Irokez]

Quote: Lipchanin

But I definitely don't need a dictator with an "iron hand".

By the way, he (the dictator) will not even know your opinion, but if it is constructive and useful for everyone, he may take you to advisers (without advisers, nowhere).

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Irokez

By the way, he (the dictator) will not even know your opinion,

And my opinion will not be known and not a dictator.

maybe take you as advisers

Not for any haircuts.
I can’t lick ass

[Irokez]

Quote: Lipchanin

I can’t lick ass

It depends on the dictator.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Irokez

It depends on the dictator.

Well, if he is a dictator "iron hand", he does not need advisers.
He knows everything

[Irokez]

Quote: Lipchanin

Well, if he is a dictator "iron hand", he does not need advisers.
He knows everything

This is exactly what you are wrong about. Without advisers, informants, special services, statistics and other governance structures, not only a dictator, but not a single country can resist the collapse.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Irokez

That's exactly what you are wrong about

No. if he needs advisers, he is no longer a dictator, but a democrat

informants, special services, statistics and other management structures

So these are not advisers, but managers.
And why are you informers on this list?

[Irokez]

Quote: Lipchanin

No. if he needs advisers, he is no longer a dictator, but a democrat

In your opinion all the kings and kings were democrats?

As for the informers, this is somehow unpleasant, but secret employees (sexots) will probably be more pleasant.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Irokez

In your opinion all the kings and kings were democrats?

And do you think all the dictators?

As for the informers, this is somehow unpleasant, but secret employees (sexots) will probably be more pleasant.

Yes, it’s not how to name them. The fact is why you put them at the head of the list and generally mentioned them

[Sergej1972]

This is often not required from advisors. Very often advisers are people who critically evaluate the policies of the authorities. True, their advice is optional.)

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Sergej1972

Very often advisers are people who critically evaluate the policies of the authorities.

I don’t understand something.
A dictator who suffers criticism and opposition?
This is no longer a dictator and the country is not a dictatorship

[Sergej1972]

I do not mean dictatorship.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Sergej1972

I do not mean dictatorship.

So we are talking about dictatorship

[Sergey39]

The other day in Finland, an attempt to establish a dictatorship failed. There they called it a coup.

[Sergej1972]

Can you give more details? I missed something, probably there wasn’t anything in the news.

[Sergey39]

There was an article on Baltnews.
https://lv.baltnews.com/mir_novosti/20200330/1023793593/Pokhozhe-na-ukrainskiy-stsenariy-kak-v-Finlyandii-razrazilsya-politicheskiy-krizis.html?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com

[Archon]

my opinion is that a dictator will come down to rule a small country, but physically unable to rule in a huge powerful country. tying power to a mortal man is a dead end and a dangerous path that Russia has traveled many times. much more effective is a party - a community of people united by common ideas. strong court power is also required, capable of judging other branches of government if they violate the boundaries of what is permitted. the party is good in that, with proper organization, a new person will always take the place of the departed and continue the work.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: Ilya-spb
People are waiting for an iron hand and order.

Someone conducted a survey? Show the result please.
Or did you spend it yourself?

when there is a mess lyadi want order.
order through debate in parliament cannot be established. So the Iron Hand appears on the scene.
no opinion polls. spontaneously so.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Maki Avellievich

. spontaneously so.

Aha.
Something like this "spontaneously" organized the Maidan and the dictator came.
Did the pinochet come to power in Chile at one time, too?
More examples needed?

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Lipchanin

More examples needed?

No.

[Archon]

if the hand has no money, nothing will work

[Paul Siebert]

Hungary, with its policies, demonstrates how the EU should behave in this difficult situation.
Minimum Russophobia and maximum attention to their own problems.
Dislike of Ukrainian neo-Nazis and frank dialogue with Russia.
Sooner or later, EU policy will have to change.
Unless, of course, he wants to survive ...

[Private-K]

Why mention anything at all about such typical grant-eaters from typical organizations about “for an open society,” “for liberalism,” “for tolerance,” “for peerstia,” “for man-hating,” and other Sorosyatinovism?
"Romanian" https://www.nhc.no/en/employee/csilla-czimbalmos/

[Archon]

rather, it is imperative that all institutions of power function normally. that's all

[Red Alert]

Do you suggest fascism?

[orionvitt]

announced the formation of the first dictatorship in the European Union

Here is a friendly European family. Come on, come on, orphan tears will pour out for you for the collapse of the USSR, now let's look at you, gentlemen Europeans. Eat your democracy and your "European values" with a bun.

[Evdokim]

Quote: orionvitt

Here she is a friendly European family.

In-in. Only someone leaned a little over the general homomass, pecking like a herd, but then going to the rear-wheel drive theater nizya.

[Same lech]

The government has already put forward a number of resolutions under the new law, which have nothing to do with the fight against coronavirus.

It’s not new ... a pandemic is very convenient for such things ... I’m now carefully following what is happening in the world in this regard starting from our country ... we will sum up the results of the pandemic ... it’s too early to draw conclusions.

[orionvitt]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

it is too early to draw conclusions.

Why then. Preliminary conclusions can be drawn now. One thing is extremely clear. That the information company amid the coronavirus, around the world, is guided by one strong hand. All world leaders have joined together (or are forced to join) in this game. And under this case, someone (you can call it whatever you like), with the same strong hand, is already reformatting the world order. In which direction and what will come of it, we will see. The old world is being flushed down the toilet, along with its political, ideological and economic problems, but what "new values" will be presented to us this time is not yet known. But what tells me that nothing good.

[Same lech]

On April 1, Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a law expanding the rights of employees of the Federal Security Service (FSO) to use weapons and special means, and also granted them the right to use military equipment.

http://realtribune.ru/news/authority/3979?utm_source=politobzor.net
We are waiting for the next surprises.

[orionvitt]

What only confirms, enormous changes are coming.

[Gardamir]

Obviously, this decree is aimed at combating the virus.

[Mestny]

To fight against alternatively gifted bloody clowns hungry for revolutions.
Whatever it seems to them, now is the right moment.

[Irokez]

Quote: orionvitt

But that tells me that nothing good.

But it tells me that for a better order and more equal in the world than for the exceptional.

To fight against alternatively gifted bloody clowns hungry for revolutions.
Whatever it seems to them, now is the right moment.

And rightly so, power must withstand during muddy tremors.

[Polymer]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

it is too early to draw conclusions.

And then it will be "too late to drink Borjomi".
Let's be honest - we are all just observers, without the ability to influence processes. And the conclusions - yes, we can draw conclusions.

[Krasnodar]

Many so-called "democratic countries" behave in a very totalitarian and even fascist manner during wars and cataclysms - Roosevelt drove the Japanese to concentration camps in 41-45, Switzerland insisted on the introduction of the letter J in German passports for Jews in order not to let them into their territory at 30 -e, etc.

[Pavel73]

Exactly. In fact, no democracy exists. Power always and everywhere at all times only with those who have the strength and willingness to use it. And democracies from dictatorships differ only in that they are secret dictatorships. Nevertheless, democratic institutions and procedures are necessary as a means of feedback from the authorities and the people.

[Insurgent]

The Norwegian press announced the formation of the first dictatorship in the European Union


And what about Lukashenka, rehabilitated, "zeroed", and appointed a new dictator?

"The last dictator of Europe"doc film
reg. Kalina Yuri, 2003 (Poland)

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Insurgent

The Norwegian press announced the formation of the first dictatorship in the European Union


And what about Lukashenka, rehabilitated, "zeroed", and appointed a new dictator? belay

"The Last Dictator of Europe", documentary film
reg. Kalina Yuri, 2003 (Poland)

However, quarantine is not entered, people work, shortages of masks, etc. no, in supermarkets gloves and des. funds are freely available (free of charge), there is enough mechanical ventilation, he did not optimize hospitals, he does not enter troops into the cities. Although I do not live in Belarus, this is all from the official Belarusian media.

[Insurgent]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

However, quarantine is not entered, people work, shortages of masks, etc. no, in supermarkets gloves and des. funds are freely available (free of charge), there is enough mechanical ventilation, he did not optimize hospitals, he does not enter troops into the cities.

I'm not quite about that ...

More abouthow easy and at ease "European public opinion" glues and glues(if necessary) shortcuts "dictator" ...

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Insurgent

I'm not quite about that ...
Rather, about how easily "European public opinion" glues and re-sticks the labels of "dictator" ...

In my opinion, "European public opinion" is the opinion of the ruling class, voiced through the venal mass media (and there are no others and cannot be, except perhaps some kind of YouTube channels, etc.). And they glue labels in the way that suits them at one time or another.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

In my opinion, "European public opinion" is the opinion of the ruling class, voiced through the corrupt media

well it is everywhere.

[Cat]

feedback means of power and people

Authorities prefer feedback in the form of taxes and other wool.

[Evil543]

The author reflects on “violation of human rights in Hungary, including the rights of sexual minorities, the homeless and refugees”.

And I liked this paragraph, these are the true indicators of the dictatorship, it turns out.
How is it insulated?

[Hagalaz]

Quote: Evil543

The author reflects on “violation of human rights in Hungary, including the rights of sexual minorities, the homeless and refugees”.

"And animal husbandry ....." © A and B Strugatsky.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Evil543

sexual minorities, homeless people and refugees

The dream of all normal people: for "sexual minorities" to run away and bum somewhere far away ...

[Evil543]

I think this is only with us, the rest extol their tolerance.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Evil543

I think this is only with us, the rest extol their tolerance.

I think this is artificial injection. And the rest, the majority of people who are bewildered by such deeds howl.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Krasnodar

Many so-called "democratic countries" are very totalitarian

during wars, all countries behave in a totalitarian and "fascist fashion." how else is it possible to wage war?
each decision to display on the 1,2,3th reading and then another debate to arrange?
at this time, a totalitarian and therefore more effective opponent in your capital will drink champagne.
it doesn't work like that.

[Chaldon48]

Do homeless people have any rights? They are deprived of the main human right to shelter for themselves and their children.

[knn54]

And why the first? He is the second, after Iceland, who sent the IMF with its loans.

[Mountain shooter]

A pandemic, or its "phantom", is an excellent reason for concentrating power ... As if the war is not won by democracy, or rather, the army is not controlled in democratic ways ... It remains to be understood - it is possible to HIDE the real state of affairs if the pandemic turns out to be an "information phantom"?

[askort154]

If no one exerts pressure on Hungary from outside, then in the end a full-fledged dictatorship will form in the center of Europe

Afraid that same-sex marriage will be banned, parent # 1 and # 2, free drug sales, Schengen will be canceled, and Europe will return to the good old days.
Something of your "main democrat of Brussels" is not visible and inaudible at all while the coronavirus is dominating the EU. Where are your "super-democrats - PACE"?
Where are the Greens? You always liked to teach the life of others, and did not notice how you yourself were head over heels in the "democratic slop". Swim in them further.

[Chervonny]

about the appearance of the first dictatorship in the vastness of the European Union.

controversial, very controversial.
all of Europe is one continuous dictatorship of neoliberalism. European "democracy" will be worse than any other dictatorship.

[Same lech]

sheer dictatorship of neoliberalism

In Europe, you can now easily delay the term for disagreeing with the LGBT terror over normal people and family in our understanding ... there is a total reformatting of society.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

there is a total reformatting of society.

There is a destruction of the planet's population by any means available. Everything was launched, armies, terrorists, the media, LGBT people, justice, courts, the latest weapons, including biological weapons. Simple people can’t fight them.

[Kerensky]

Well, the voice from Norway for Hungary? It's interesting, of course, but ... Maybe they just have nothing to write about (the country is calm), the client wants "politicians" ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Kerensky

Maybe they just have nothing to write about (a calm country),

But occasionally terrorists like Anders Breivik appear, with whom even ISIS and Bandera fade.

[Kerensky]

But sometimes terrorists like Anders Breivik appear,

Vlad.
Well, they cannot "feed" journalists and experts of all stripes!
Well, they wrote that they brutally mistreat him, - they did not provide a new game console. So how many years ago it was!
Well halibut Russian submarine scared (and who else) in their fjord .... he is now nervous. So now when else will it be?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Kerensky

Well, they wrote that they brutally mistreat him, - they did not provide a new game console.

Breivik lives better in prison than Norwegian pensioners

The whole time he will live in a well-guarded building, with views of the city without bars. In a three-room "cell" with an office, a computer, a TV set, a gym and a swimming pool ... and even under the supervision of doctors.

I am an Estonian pensioner living much worse than Breivik.

[Vasyan1971]

Zilla Chimbalmos

Moreover, apparently - 100% Norwegian, so also with a very long nose. Where is Norway and where is Hungary?

[tihonmarine]

The Hungarian parliament recently passed a crisis law giving the head of government enhanced authority to fight the coronavirus.

This is how Euro-cracks think. They are indifferent to pandemics, deaths, thousands and millions of people, as long as there is no totalitarianism for them. Democracy is above all, forgetting about the main democrat of the 20th century, Adolf, who, under the slogan of the democrats "New World Order", killed millions of people. And how do the current democrats differ from him?

Do you recognize the child in the top row?

[Old partisan]

Two fire in a brothel during a flood.

[rotmistr60]

Even in a difficult period for themselves, they are trying to settle scores with those who, let's say more mildly, do not want to completely fall into European insanity. Orban has long been sharpening their teeth for unwillingness to surrender to the power of sexual minorities, for rebuffing migrants, whom Merkel invited out of the "breadth of heart", for defending the national interests of her country.

Zilla Chimbalmos

A strange Norwegian, but probably very committed to the "democratic and tolerant" ideas of the EU, which are growing into sectarianism.

[A. Privalov]

Zilla Chimbalmos ...
It’s strange. Did Google find out about it only through topwar.ru?
It seems to be a fake.

[sgapich]

Quote: A. Privalov

Zilla Chimbalmos ...
It’s strange. Did Google find out about it only through topwar.ru?
It seems to be a fake.

Here is the original article on the Aftenposten website (Norwegian, unfortunately I don’t know, Google translator helped):
https://www.aftenposten.no/meninger/kronikk/i/0nyvr0/etter-koronakrisen-kan-ungarn-ha-blitt-eus-foerste-diktatur-csilla-czimbalmos
And here is the page of this Zilla Chimbalmos on the site of the Norwegian Helsinki Committee, and her mail is indicated there, you can write:
https://www.nhc.no/en/employee/csilla-czimbalmos/

[A. Privalov]

Quote: sgapich

Quote: A. Privalov

Zilla Chimbalmos ...
It’s strange. Did Google find out about it only through topwar.ru?
It seems to be a fake.

Here is the original article on the Aftenposten website (Norwegian, unfortunately I don’t know, Google translator helped):
https://www.aftenposten.no/meninger/kronikk/i/0nyvr0/etter-koronakrisen-kan-ungarn-ha-blitt-eus-foerste-diktatur-csilla-czimbalmos
And here is the page of this Zilla Chimbalmos on the site of the Norwegian Helsinki Committee, and her mail is indicated there, you can write:
https://www.nhc.no/en/employee/csilla-czimbalmos/

If you just go down the page, you will see my post from April 4, 2020 16:17.
But in any case, Stanislav, thank you.

[sgapich]

Quote: A. Privalov

If you just go down the page, you will see my post from April 4, 2020 16:17.
But in any case, Stanislav, thank you.

Alexander, I already noticed. Sorry, hurry up.

[Bshkaus]

The author believes that the ban on visiting theaters and the suspension of the development of park zones in Hungary is an “abuse”

Any look at the situation can be:
A - objective based on the ongoing relationship of events.
B- extreme either to one or the other side from the objective point of view.
B- border views on the brink of extremes, with possible transitions back and forth.
It is encouraging that there are not so many people in extremes.
If a young lady wants to walk and show freedom of speech, the flag in her hands will die, they will bury it in a bag and forget it.
Well, maybe they will write on the monument "she loved freedom."
But seriously, natural selection and evolution occurs during crises. In extreme conditions, "complete freedom" is not viable, if only for banal reasons: going out into the street you can get infected and die in the nearest ditch.
In the wild, even lions and other predators not only attack, but also know how to hide in time. Who did not have time - feeds the worms.

[AU Ivanov.]

To overcome emergency situations (war, epidemic, natural disasters), dictatorship is more effective than democracy. For a peaceful life - on the contrary.

[faterdom]

Scandinavian bandits criticize Ugric nomads for lack of democracy.
But the descendants of the Norman and Anglo-Saxon bandit barons lead the process ...

[Mavrikiy]

The Hungarian parliament recently passed a crisis law giving the head of government enhanced authority to fight the coronavirus.

And it is right. If you are responsible for the situation in the country, then you must make decisions, and not ask permission from those who never answer for anything.

[AB]

Geyropa ... How everyone loves the opposition in foreign countries, how they care about it!

[dvornic]

A member of the Helsinki group, this says a lot. Along the way, there gathered from all countries.

[Incvizitor]

In the rotten west, rotten capitalism always rules, under the guise of democracy, under the guise of the fascist dictatorship of the Reich, under the guise of the metropolises, there is always the same dirt in different forms.

[A. Privalov]

He was not too lazy and looked at a source in the Norwegian publication Aftenposten.
The author of the article is the head of the Department of Central and Eastern Europe of the Norwegian Helsinki Committee, a not-so-stupid young lady. Chilla was born in Romania, has experience as a researcher in the field of political sciences.
She has a bachelor's degree in pedagogy, literature and languages ​​in Sibiu, Romania, and a master's degree in philosophy in the study of peace and conflict at the University of Oslo, Norway.

By the way, the translation that was made for VO is not entirely accurate:

The author believes that the ban on visiting theaters and the suspension of the development of park zones in Hungary is “abuse”. As if in other European countries no such measures were taken.

Now compare with the text in Aftenposten:

The law was passed on Monday this week, but the deputy prime minister has already put forward a series of decisions that have nothing to do with coronavirus. One of the proposals strengthens state control and supervision of all theaters.

Another cancels the decision of the Budapest City Council to stop the development of the urban park zone. This has long been a controversial development project under the auspices of the Orbán government, which the population of the city does not want and which the Budapest City Council put an end to. So now it's the other way around because of the crisis law.

The difference is visible even with the naked eye.
For those interested in:
https://www.aftenposten.no/meninger/kronikk/i/0nyvr0/etter-koronakrisen-kan-ungarn-ha-blitt-eus-foerste-diktatur-csilla-czimbalmos
Google translator to help you.
A number of her statements will certainly cause rejection of some visitors to VO, but there are also quite sound thoughts.
Well, and knowing who Orban is, how he arranges his friends and classmates to warm places, his methods of government with the alteration of laws to allow him to remain in office until 2030, you can assume anything.

[PavelT]

What strikes me is the desire of modern left-liberals to put the interests of strangers or small groups against the interests of the majority of the population! They don’t know at all that democracy implies the power of MOST - they vote in order to calculate what the majority is for! For this, electoral refugees and migrants who have not come give rights (before obtaining citizenship) - because these are alien groups and alien interests.
As a mantra is repeated: "the rights of sexual minorities, homeless people and refugees" - the homeless obviously got here by accident ... But there are few sexual minorities (that's why they are minorities!), in the UN) - by definition they cannot put their rights ahead of the rights of the majority of the country.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: PavelT

What strikes me is the desire of modern left-liberals to put the interests of strangers or small groups against the interests of the majority of the population!

by this they are self-determined. stop doing these nonsense; lose the meaning of their life.

[dedusik]

What do they smoke there, or maybe they inject?

[LeonidL]

Democracy is the power of the people, in the name of the people and for the benefit of the people - if the people of Hungary supported what happened there, then to this people in accordance with the potuli of that very democracy it is better to know how to live and who will lead it. Budapest is probably closer and more understandable to the Hungarians than Brussels? Is not it?

[lvov_aleksey]

the whole EU is spiders in a bank, London has already held a demonstration for a long time, it’s strange of course - The coronovirus was not made the newcomer.

[lvov_aleksey]

Quote: PavelT

What strikes me is the desire of modern left-liberals to put the interests of strangers or small groups against the interests of the majority of the population! They don’t know at all that democracy implies the power of MOST - they vote in order to calculate what the majority is for! For this, electoral refugees and migrants who have not come give rights (before obtaining citizenship) - because these are alien groups and alien interests.
As a mantra is repeated: "the rights of sexual minorities, homeless people and refugees" - the homeless obviously got here by accident ... But there are few sexual minorities (that's why they are minorities!), in the UN) - by definition they cannot put their rights ahead of the rights of the majority of the country.

you don’t know history well, remember 1905 (failure), and then 1917 (the revolution was not even in October), I only speak about my homeland, remember the rules of the revolution, and democracy never exists in nature anywhere else!

[vonWolfenstein]

The parliamentary republics are easier to govern from a position of external government. The role of the politician as a leader and personality is reduced. The information background, the mainstream, set by the media, forms the necessary reflexes of the electorate. Decisions undesirable to the owners can be rejected by the majority of "correct" deputies. And Europe, both Eastern and Western, now desperately needs true national, people's leaders capable of protecting the vital interests of the people, in particular the titular nation

[Pavel57]

Between the first and second ....

[Red Alert]

Quote: Ilya-spb

There is no sense in democracies. People are waiting for an iron hand and order.

European democracy has shown itself against the backdrop of coronovirus.

Do you suggest fascism?

[PavelT]

Quote: lvov_aleksey

and democracy never exists in nature anywhere else!

Nonsense, democracy is not a sacred cow, it is just a way to determine decisions in society:
1. determined who is a citizen with the right to vote,
2. put forward candidates for elections / proposals in a referendum,
3. voted
4. counted - understood what exactly the majority of voters.
Nothing super super holy or great, just a method of choosing a solution / candidacy.
I worked in Ancient Greece, in Ancient Rome, In the Novgorod Republic, in Switzerland ... and then someone too smart and spiritual comes, says: "Ahhh! Doesn’t work anywhere! All lies!"- yes, this is a strong level of argumentation ... I'm just smitten :)