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Ancient Egypt: clothing of the pharaohs, warriors, peasants

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And again, we begin the illustrative series with a picture from a textbook on stories The ancient world for the 5th grade of the old Soviet school. As you can see, the clothes on the Egyptians as a whole are not very clearly drawn. Something white, like a skirt, but not at all what you will see later on genuine Egyptian frescoes, but children don’t need anything else. And so the appearance of the temple, and the nature of the field work - everything was conveyed very carefully. I don’t even dare to guess how much an artist would request today for such an illustration, and most importantly, what would we get in the end ...


... and take off the linen clothes that he put on when entering the sanctuary ...
Leviticus 16:23


Culture of clothes. Today we will get acquainted with the clothes, jewelry and hairstyles of the ancient Egyptians - people who created a unique civilization and paid great attention to their appearance. However, at first it would be appropriate to lead the periodization of ancient Egyptian history, so that later, in the text of the article, this is not distracted.

To begin with, people in Egypt appeared more than 40 thousand years ago, but the first state formation, Pre-Dynastic Ancient Egypt, appeared there about five thousand years BC. This was followed by the era of the Early Kingdom, followed by the Ancient Kingdom, the time of the pharaohs - the builders of the pyramids, the First transitional period (the "Time of Troubles"), the Middle Kingdom and the Second Transitional Period, finally, the New Kingdom and the Third Transitional Period. His further history in connection with our topic is uninteresting, because the Assyrians, Persians, then Alexander the Great, and the Romans and original Egyptian fashion undergo a very strong foreign influence in Egypt.

Ancient Egypt: clothing of the pharaohs, warriors, peasants
It is clear that the nature of the clothes was associated with the climatic conditions of the places of residence. And, of course, the Paleolithic hunter in fur clothes was different from the exact same hunter who hunted in the Nile Delta. Archaeological Museum, Bonn

And it should be noted that for all these three long epochs and intermediate periods, the clothes of the peasants and the common people were very simple and usually consisted of only one linen apron. During field work, it was often shot. It was believed that all clothes constrain movement, and therefore many preferred to work in what the mother gave birth.


The image on the wall of one of the corridors of the dungeon of the Djoser Pyramid

Noble people in the era of the Old Kingdom tied aprons on their hips with wide sashes. In addition, even then wide collars in a wide variety of materials were in fashion: from colored glass, semiprecious and precious stones to gold.


Husband and wife, with a wife called Senet. The first transition period. Cairo museum

The hair on the head was shaved not only by men, but also by women, and wigs were put on a shaved head - short, curly and long with straight strands and parting. A wig made of twisted sheep’s wool was also a headdress and ... a helmet for a warrior, who again wore just an ordinary apron and a shield, covered with cow skin with wool outward.


Human figurine. Middle Kingdom Cairo museum

Over time, however, tastes became more sophisticated, and the needs of people more and more extensive. And to the New Kingdom, there was not even a trace of the former primitive simplicity of men's clothing. The apron was replaced by an exquisite suit remotely resembling a long skirt with small pleats.


The oldest remains of linen fabric. Cairo museum


And this is also a rarity - the remains of the Coptic tissue, the heirs of the ancient Egyptians. Cairo museum

From the images that have reached us, you can even trace the changes in the fashion and tastes of the Egyptians. Of course, all of them belonged only to the wealthy strata of the population, and the poor were content with the simplest clothes and did not pursue fashion.

So, in the time of Queen Hatshepsut, a short but wide shirt with a sash comes into use. It became a custom to cover her upper body with her, although until then the Egyptians walked naked to the waist. Under Akhenaten, long pleated aprons come into fashion. They are worn in two pairs at once, with the upper one being shorter so that larger folds of the lower one peeped out from under it. The ends of the belt were to hang in the form of a long bow.


Almost all types of clothes of the New Kingdom are represented on this fresco. Cairo museum

In the future, men's robes became more diverse, although they were based on the same simple apron. Moreover, this clothing was very democratic. After all, the apron was worn by both the last of the peasants and the first of the people, the son of a deity - Pharaoh! But, combining its length and shape, making it smooth, sometimes gathering in folds, then slightly covering the hips, then tightly fitting the legs, then very narrow, then so wide that they could wrap the body three times, the Egyptian tailors altered this very ordinary apron to unrecognizable. So over time, he began to resemble the fashionable ladies' dress of our century, rather than the linen apron of the era of the Old Kingdom.


In Egypt, musicians and dancers had their own professional clothing. Reproduction of 1910 from one of the ancient Egyptian frescoes. Cairo museum

It is curious to note that the men's clothing of the ancient Egyptians was much more diverse and sophisticated than women's. You could even say that it was the fashion men who set the tone for the clothes, not the women. In all the images, from the oldest to the XVIII dynasty, we see women in identical, very simple, tight-fitting linen dresses. Fashion designers even argue whether they were cut or knitted. In any case, it was the shirt cut of the women's dress in Egypt that was the main one, the Egyptians did not know any magnificent skirts, much less crinolines.


For Egyptian ladies, a wig was very important. Shot from the Polish film "Pharaoh", 1963)

But noble ladies wore long fluffy wigs, curled in curls of horsehair or sheep wool, and adorned themselves with expensive necklaces and bracelets, rings and earrings.


And another shot from the same film. The rake-pharaoh Ramses XIII abandoned his mistress Kama and decided to take up the bride of his close Thutmose named Hebron ... Pay attention to her necklace. Both women and men wore such jewelry in Egypt.

The favorite color of the Egyptians and Egyptians was white, but there were dresses of red, yellow and green. The uniformity of cut and style was partially offset by intricate straps that support the dress. Sometimes they walked in parallel, over both shoulders, sometimes they crossed or diverged at an angle. Fashionistas decorated their dresses with ornaments in the form of vertical or horizontal stripes. The cry of fashion was an ornament made in the form of colorful feathers of a bird or zigzags.


Here is one of them - a lapis lazuli necklace. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York


"Collar" of the Middle Kingdom. Cairo museum


"Collar" of the Third transition period. Cairo museum

The era of the XVIII dynasty, when enormous wealth of conquered countries poured into Egypt, finally put an end to the simplicity and monotony of women's robes. Noble Egyptian ladies are addicted to lush outfits, and fashion becomes, as today, very fleeting, volatile and capricious. In countless images of this era, we see Egyptian fashionistas in beautiful dresses that fall to the floor with invariably bare right shoulder and closed left.

A sharp demarcation of the cut of dresses of noble people and ordinary people belongs to this time. Of course, long and magnificent clothes, restricting movements, were unsuitable for work, and the material for such an outfit took several times more than for an ordinary dress.


Ordinary sandals. The new kingdom. Cairo museum

The shoes were relatively simple. Both the peasants and the pharaohs. Both men and women wore sandals, which consisted of a leather sole and several straps wrapping around the foot. Subsequently, sandals with bent up socks came into fashion.


Incense spoon. Cairo museum

The invariable accessory of every rich Egyptian was elegant boxes for blush, vessels with ointments for rubbing, hand mirrors, perfume bottles, spoons for cosmetics. Egyptian jewelers gave all these products elegant forms, decorated them with images of people, animals and birds.


The protective clothing of the warriors of the Ancient, Middle and New Kingdom was very primitive, except that only the pharaohs or the most famous commanders wore metal scaly armor

The custom of looking around the eyes and painting the eyelids with oily paint from grated malachite also goes back to ancient times. In Egypt, both men and women did this, and there was a certain sense in it: sticky, dark paint protected eyes from dust and partially from the too bright African sun.


"Beautiful is coming." The legendary bust of Queen Nefertiti of the New Museum in Berlin

An original way that the Egyptians sometimes protected themselves from overheating. They attached to their heads a small fat cone made of a special thick and aromatic composition. As it melted from the sun, fragrant streams flowed from his head, which pleasantly refreshed the body.

To be continued ...
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  1. cost
    cost April 15 2020 06: 20 New
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    In the era of the Ancient Kingdom (3000 - 2400 BC), the only clothing for men was a loincloth - shhenti (Nor.), Which was a strip of fabric wrapped around the hips and fastened with a belt around the waist. Judging by the images, there were many ways of tying the shenty, varying depending on the length of the fabric and the location of the folds, so this modest clothing could look elegant and even elegant. Together with the shenty (and sometimes without it) they wore a narrow apron made of more dense tissue or skin, triangular or oval in shape. Even the pharaohs did not use any other clothes for a long time.
    photo Limestone paired figure of Racherka and Meresankh (English), 2350s BC e. The louvre museum

    The various dignities of the priests prescribed prohibitions and instructions on the wearing of one or another clothing. Herodotus (V century BC) and Apuleius (II century BC) note that priests were not allowed to wear woolen clothes, but only linen.
    In the era of the Ancient, Middle, and New Kingdoms, women's clothing was a tight-fitting calaziris. Until the middle of the XVIII dynasty, it was a sundress on straps from chest to ankle length. On the statues, wide straps cover the chest, and on some drawings and reliefs it is naked. In contrast to the images of women in tight-fitting dresses, the surviving specimens testify to linen baggy clothes that hide, but do not expose nakedness. The oldest known dress today (Tarkhan dress) was found in Egyptian Tarkhan in 1913 and dates from 3482 - 3102 BC
    Photo. kalaziris from threads and beads of the V dynasty (c. 2400 BC). Museum of Egyptian Archeology Pitris
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 April 15 2020 10: 31 New
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      Quote: Rich
      Photo. kalaziris from threads and beads of the V dynasty (c. 2400 BC). Museum of Egyptian Archeology Pitris

      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar April 15 2020 14: 52 New
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        Direct collection of Gauthier from the time of filming the Fifth Element)).
        1. Dym71
          Dym71 April 15 2020 19: 34 New
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          Quote: Krasnodar
          Direct collection of Gauthier from the time of filming the Fifth Element)).

          Our you with a brush! hi
          Women's dress is a whole philosophy: the less matter in it, the more breathtaking.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar April 15 2020 19: 36 New
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            Greetings! )))
            Here I disagree - the more room for imagination, the more breathtaking laughing
            Do you work?
            1. Dym71
              Dym71 April 15 2020 19: 39 New
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              Quote: Krasnodar
              the more room for imagination, the more breathtaking

              And I do not agree here, because - "you do not think, you have to jump!" wink
              Quote: Krasnodar
              Do you work?

              Dashes bully
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar April 15 2020 19: 43 New
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                I am virtually laughing
                No, well, I'm always an optimist - that's why I see Miss Universe behind any cloak
                1. Dym71
                  Dym71 April 15 2020 19: 48 New
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                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  I am virtually

                  Loud applause ....
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  No, well, I'm always an optimist - that's why I see Miss Universe behind any cloak

                  And then the bitterness of disappointment comes and you spend days in longing lying on the couch, scratching your broken heart? wink
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar April 15 2020 22: 31 New
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                    No, I think the following: seeing with whom I did this, next time the Lord will take pity and send me a model smile
  2. cost
    cost April 15 2020 06: 22 New
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    The entire free population of Egypt wore wigs. Their shape, size and material indicated the social status of the owners. Wigs were made from natural hair, animal hair, plant fibers and even ropes. They were painted in dark colors, and the most fashionable were dark brown and black.
    The red hair of the wig of the mummy of Ramses II is colored with henna.
    Judging by the preserved images, many styles of wigs were known. Most often, they reached the shoulders, but in solemn occasions they wore long wigs, curled in large parallel curls. The hairstyles were abundantly saturated with aromatic oils, essences, and adhesive compositions.
    Photo. Female wig (1479-1425 BC) from the tombs of Menhet, Menui and Merty, Metropolitan Museum
  3. Olgovich
    Olgovich April 15 2020 06: 28 New
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    In Egypt, the dancers had their own professional clothing.


    professional clothing for dancers is international at all times: how less clothes possible. winked
    1. cost
      cost April 15 2020 06: 52 New
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      Olgovich:In Egypt, the dancers had their own professional clothing.

      Pictures Costume of a palace dancer from the tomb of Mieti. on a modern wax figure. Gilded copper wire. V dynasty (c. 2400 BC). Museum of Egyptian Archeology Pitris
    2. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 April 15 2020 06: 56 New
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      It is clear where they got bikini from ancient Egypt.
      1. cost
        cost April 15 2020 07: 12 New
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        In 1946, fashion designer Louis Rird developed a bathing suit model that promised to excite the masses. 4 days before the show of the new model in Paris, the new swimsuit was missing only one thing - a name that could attract attention. Just at the same time, the American army conducted nuclear tests on an island in the Pacific Ocean, known as Bikini. Using the most relevant and discussed topic at that time, Louis Reard named his bathing suit in honor of the island. Rirda was then condemned for being overly open and sexy. Although today his bikini looks somewhat puritanical.
        Here is the same Rirda bikini of 1946
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave April 15 2020 07: 33 New
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          The advertising slogan for the demonstration of the new model was: "Bikini - divided atom!"
          1. kalibr
            April 15 2020 07: 44 New
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            And here is a shot from the first film about OO7 "Doctor No" (1962). The heroine is also in a bikini of those years.
        2. Catfish
          Catfish April 15 2020 15: 59 New
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          That's right, only Bikini is not an island, but the atoll is a ring-shaped coral reef with a lagoon in the center.
          A later version of the bikini on the Brigitte Bardot.
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich April 15 2020 08: 24 New
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        Quote: Pessimist22
        It is clear where they got bikini from ancient Egypt.

        In Egypt, they were more advanced: they preferred, after all, topless ....
        1. cost
          cost April 15 2020 10: 25 New
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          Olgovich (Andrey): In Egypt were more advanced

          I completely agree. From a male point of view, the dancer’s panties from the ancient Egyptian fresco, which Vyacheslav published in his article, are much prettier than the 1946 Rird’s shorts. wink
          1. Catfish
            Catfish April 15 2020 17: 14 New
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            I agree with you. A couple of frames from the same "Pharaoh":

            1. Korsar4
              Korsar4 April 15 2020 21: 37 New
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              The book is also good, although almost without pictures.
              1. Catfish
                Catfish April 15 2020 22: 56 New
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                ... though almost without pictures.

                Hello, Sergey. Well Anton is not around, he would add. laughing
                What to do, it's impossible to read everything, and I haven't read "Pharaoh", but the film made an irresistible impression on the boy's soul. Cinema "Forum" on the Garden Ring in Moscow, went to the whole yard. smile
                1. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 April 15 2020 23: 06 New
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                  At Boleslav Prus I also like “Doll”.

                  On television, the film also makes a strong impression. But try calmly look.
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish April 15 2020 23: 12 New
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                    Alas, I have not read it. And as for the TV, I forgot the last time I approached him.
                    1. Korsar4
                      Korsar4 April 15 2020 23: 14 New
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                      By the way, the idea to look at our "captive" Pharaoh is quite appropriate.
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish April 15 2020 23: 30 New
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                        By the way, the scene in "Pharaoh" with the filled trench and several others was filmed in our Central Asia. And in the early seventies, an archeological professor told me about what was there. The archaeologists lived in a two-story wooden hotel, and cinema Poles were also settled there. At night, says the professor, I wake up from screaming and roaring, put on my pants and into the corridor, and - oil scene: drunken Poles dragged a real live donkey to the second floor, and Brylska, completely naked, is riding on top in the same indecent state. I will not say that all this is true, but the person who told me this was already quite old, absolutely non-drinking and, in my opinion, had no sense of humor at all.
                      2. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 April 15 2020 23: 38 New
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                        Not as important as shooting the scene. But do not create idols from actors.

                        And the episode of those that sneaks to the bones.
                      3. Catfish
                        Catfish April 15 2020 23: 41 New
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                        Yes, the whole film was shot beautifully, the devil when I saw it, but still all the scenes are in front of my eyes.
                      4. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 April 15 2020 23: 43 New
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                        I teased. I’ll go for a book.
                      5. Catfish
                        Catfish April 15 2020 23: 44 New
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                        And I'll try to sleep. Happily. hi
    3. mister-red
      mister-red April 16 2020 17: 55 New
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      Barbara was a beauty in her youth. And in our traditional New Year’s film, it’s not bad, although it was already 10 years later.
  4. albert
    albert April 15 2020 22: 15 New
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    Quote: Rich
    I completely agree. From a male point of view, the dancer’s panties from the ancient Egyptian fresco, which Vyacheslav published in his article, are much prettier than the 1946 Rird’s shorts.

    And this is a reconstruction.
  • MrFox
    MrFox April 16 2020 10: 00 New
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    It's just hot.
  • cost
    cost April 15 2020 06: 33 New
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    For a long time sandals were the only kind of shoes among the ancient Egyptians. Very simple in shape, they represented only the sole (sometimes with the toe bent upwards), to which two straps were attached: one strap started at the big toe and connected to another, covering the raising of the legs, making the shoes look like a stirrup. Sandals were usually made from leather [1] or papyrus leaves. Archaeologists have repeatedly found gold sandals in royal tombs, but it is not yet clear whether such shoes were used during the lifetime of the owners, or whether they were only part of the funeral rite, a kind of ancient Egyptian analogue of “white slippers”.
    Photo: Reed sandals from the tombs of Yui and Tui (c. 1390-1352 BC), Metropolitan Museum of Art

    During the period of the New Kingdom, other styles of shoes appeared. In one of the chests discovered by researchers in the tomb of Tutankhamun (KV62), among other things were slippers without heels, with leather socks, embroidered with small gold sequins. Also found in the tomb are the sandals of Tutankhamun with the image of nine bows (the main enemies of Egypt), which the pharaoh symbolically "tramples, tramples."
    Despite the fact that the shoes were so simple, the Egyptians took great care of them. As Geradot testifies, the peasants, going to the city on business, often carried their sandals in their hands and put on their shoes only on the spot. Noble people also often went barefoot, especially at home.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich April 15 2020 06: 58 New
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      Quote: Rich
      sandals from the tombs of Yui and Tui (c. 1390-1352 BC e.), Metropolitan Museum

      There are millions of them in all markets now: a conservative person! yes
      1. cost
        cost April 15 2020 10: 39 New
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        6000 years later. Same Africa
        Question for scholars yes
        Is this progress? or degradation? winked
        1. Hantengri
          Hantengri April 15 2020 10: 49 New
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          Quote: Rich
          Is it progress or degradation

          Adaptation.
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich April 15 2020 11: 03 New
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          Quote: Rich
          6000 years later. Same Africa
          Question for scholars yes
          Is this progress? or degradation? winked

          this is a tradition. recourse
          1. Igor Polovodov
            Igor Polovodov April 16 2020 18: 55 New
            +1
            Curved noses are back in fashion!
    2. bubalik
      bubalik April 15 2020 17: 40 New
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      rich (dmitry)
      let me complete the photo, I hope you do not mind smile
      1. Liam
        Liam April 15 2020 20: 38 New
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        Quote: bubalik
        rich (dmitry)
        let me complete the photo, I hope you do not mind smile

        Are these reproductions of originals from Egyptian museums?
        1. bubalik
          bubalik April 15 2020 20: 54 New
          +4
          These are reproductions.

          ,,Yes.
          1. Liam
            Liam April 15 2020 21: 10 New
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            Thanks. And then they look too formal)
  • cost
    cost April 15 2020 06: 38 New
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    The cosmetic boxes found in the tombs included various body care items (jars, cups, razors, applicators). The main difference between modern and ancient Egyptian cosmetics is the materials used to prepare them: modern ones contain essential oils and alcohol, while ancient ones contain oils and fat soaked with essences of plants, flowers and spices. The cheapest incense was just water in which crushed lotus flowers were soaked the most expensive could include dozens of different aromatic substances.
    photo.Cosmetic box of the butler Kemeni, approx. 1814-1805 BC, XII dynasty. Metropolitan Museum

    Perfumery production continued in Egypt during the Hellenistic period. The famous Queen Cleopatra (69-30 years BC) even owned a real perfume factory on the coast of the Dead Sea. During excavations, archaeologists found in this place not only the remains of buildings, but also boilers, pots for evaporation and boiling, hand millstones for grinding herbs and roots. Cleopatra outlined her knowledge on this issue in the book “On Facial Medicines”. This was the first cosmetic reference book known in history, where recipes for making lipstick, blush, powder, etc. were given. Some of these recipes reached our
    1. bubalik
      bubalik April 15 2020 17: 43 New
      +6
      in the tombs, cosmetic boxes included various care items


  • cost
    cost April 15 2020 06: 43 New
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    Interesting article. To the author plus. I look forward to continuing. I would very much like that Vyacheslav would touch on the topic of jewelry and jewelry not only of the nobility, but also of the common people. Thanks again to the Author.
    1. kalibr
      April 15 2020 07: 19 New
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      Quote: Rich
      Interesting article. To the author plus. I look forward to continuing. I would very much like that Vyacheslav would touch on the topic of jewelry and jewelry not only of the nobility, but also of the common people. Thanks again to the Author.

      But you, Dmitry, did your best, wrote such wonderful additions and attached photos that fully comply with the signature rules. Ah, if there would be a majority of such comments, additions ... In the meantime, I can only thank you, which I do. I hope that in the future you will continue our ... cooperation!
      1. nikon7717
        nikon7717 April 15 2020 09: 38 New
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        I want to say thank you to the author and
        for comments by Rich. I hope you, together with the topic of clothing and cosmetics, touch on the development and improvement of the technologies necessary for transforming into fashion, and increasing the resources consumed at the same time. For example, the simplest theme, everyone wore white, and white is the natural color of bleached linen. For dyeing, dyes are necessary, their extraction, processing, dyeing technologies. Recall about the Russian festive red boots. This is all separate knowledge, and most importantly, people had at that time and resources, on beauty at all times, from the Stone Age. A man was decorating clothes. He had time for this, and not just for survival, as we have been constantly told from school.
        1. cost
          cost April 15 2020 20: 41 New
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          I want to say thank you to the author and commentators

          And for what? Here he solo kalibrand we are just singing along yes
          1. kalibr
            April 15 2020 21: 49 New
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            Do not be modest, Dmitry, you made excellent additions that greatly enriched the source material!
  • tlauicol
    tlauicol April 15 2020 07: 23 New
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    They knew cowards, and still wore bandages. What is egypt what is rome
    1. kalibr
      April 15 2020 07: 36 New
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      And it’s convenient! Panties must be cut and sewn. Without a car, on hand. And then ... fabric right from the machine. Wound up and done!
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 April 15 2020 08: 23 New
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        Vyacheslav Olegovich! Thank you! The article is not only interesting, but ... beautiful! Thank you!
      2. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave April 15 2020 08: 24 New
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        It is, of course, convenient, but when, having tortured the Gauls, the Romans came to the foothills of the Alps, they appreciated that without the "reckoning" the north can be frostbitten.
        This is how the capital of Cisalpine Gaul became the trendsetter in the world of fashion. laughing
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 10: 13 New
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          priming galls

          it was they who got their Gauls. Atseriksa and Obeliksa to get on and failed.
          This is how the capital of Cisalpine Gaul became the trendsetter in the world of fashion.

          Yes, they just didn’t borrow something from the Gauls. Or did Caesar in Gaul and Britain still go about in his pants, reluctantly? wink
          Good article. And a great addition to Dmitry Rich in the comments. good drinks
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Kote Pan Kokhanka April 15 2020 11: 40 New
            +9
            In everyday life, the Romans called the Gallic provinces, depending on their concept of civilization: Gaul in pants, Shaggy Gaul !!!
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 11: 55 New
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              Shaggy gallium !!!

              But what did they call the British and Germanic?
          2. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave April 15 2020 17: 46 New
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            Or Caesar in Gaul and Britain still walked in his pants, reluctantly
            Of course! He shot them, crossing the Rubicon. laughing
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 17: 50 New
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              Of course! He shot them, crossing the Rubicon.

              and what, is it easier for the Holozadom Rubicon to cross over? request Say, too, Anton! stop Probably pulled up to his knees, and went quietly. But first he drew lots - take off his pants or tuck! yes
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave April 15 2020 17: 55 New
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                Lot???
                "The die is thrown ... Together with the rest of the property while trying to cross the Rubicon back" request laughing
                1. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 18: 07 New
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                  "The die is thrown ... Together with the rest of the property while trying to cross the Rubicon back"

                  three Greek harps ... three Indian incense chests ... toga suede .. three! crying
      3. AllBiBek
        AllBiBek April 15 2020 16: 29 New
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        Why?

        Take a piece of fabric in the shape of an isosceles triangle.

        With the base up, tie around the belt so that the knot is under the navel.

        The top passes between the legs, then under the knot, and leave the free end to hang over the top of the knot.

        The construction, known from the Bronze Age, and very popular in places so far.

        And in the version of the "shyness belt" of two pieces of leather (one around the thighs and the other between the legs) - it is possible that from the Stone Age.

        And, most likely, this and that initially appeared in the format of a device for attaching something that was supposed to collect menstrual blood (this is the most classic version). Or - to warm the bells, they really do not like cold, they are cold even inside the body, because of which they are taken out by nature.
      4. Operator
        Operator April 15 2020 20: 15 New
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        What does the cutting and sewing have to do with it: in certain cases, pants / pants should be removed, but the bandage / skirt - no laughing
    2. Avior
      Avior April 15 2020 14: 42 New
      +5
      blown in the heat.
      airing mode smile
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave April 15 2020 07: 37 New
    +7
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich! The cycle promises to be very interesting.
    1. kalibr
      April 15 2020 07: 48 New
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      Yes, I see - RICH (Dmitry) is tired of putting the pros!
  • Vladimir M.V.
    Vladimir M.V. April 15 2020 08: 11 New
    +4
    Pharaoh of 1966 (March 11), not 1963
  • Phil77
    Phil77 April 15 2020 08: 21 New
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    Good morning everyone! Female beauty, it is !!!!! Great! Bikini is beautiful !!! I will make my contribution. For the first time, "bikini" bikini bottoms were allowed to be used at the * Miss America * beauty contest in 1997. Before that, girls took to the podium in one-piece swimsuits.Oh!
  • ee2100
    ee2100 April 15 2020 08: 38 New
    +5
    It would be very interesting to read about the clothes of the inhabitants of the early Middle Ages
    1. kalibr
      April 15 2020 08: 41 New
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      Once a cycle, then everything will be. And Greece, and Rome, and Europe of the Bronze Age and the early Middle Ages - everything will be. Including decorations of different walks of life and different nations!
  • betta
    betta April 15 2020 08: 45 New
    +8
    I heard flax grows in more northern territories, loves moist ground. Therefore, flax suppliers are now Russia, Kazakhstan, China ... Where did the Egyptians get flax?
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 April 15 2020 09: 00 New
      +6
      From Iorichon, probably. what
      1. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 10: 22 New
        +7
        From Iorichon, probably.

        from the central jordan region ... what
        1. Undecim
          Undecim April 15 2020 12: 29 New
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          Flax was grown in Mesoptania, Assyria and Babylonia, and Egypt was known as the "land of flax". Linen fabrics appeared in Egypt about six thousand years ago; the oldest fragments of Egyptian cloth are dated to 4500 BC.
          The production of linen was put on an industrial basis.
          The number of layers of clothing indicated social status; therefore, baiting had the right only to a loincloth.
        2. Phil77
          Phil77 April 15 2020 12: 54 New
          +8
          * flax is the oldest oilseed cultivated in the Jericho region at the dawn of the Neolithic revolution ... * Source-wiki. Well, I say Jericho! laughing
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 13: 16 New
            +5
            Well, I say Jericho!

            Yeah, and the oldest cereal crop - corn - began to be cultivated in the Texas and Prilympissipye. laughing But this is to the articles of Vyacheslav our Olegovich about the Indians! drinks
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave April 15 2020 18: 05 New
              +3
              Correctly - Pomississipier, analogue - Volga.
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 April 15 2020 18: 09 New
                +2
                And it sounded like that! laughing
                1. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 18: 16 New
                  +4
                  And it sounded like that!

                  just like the waves floated! good Pushkin's syllable! It's time for Anton to write poetry! drinks
                  1. Phil77
                    Phil77 April 15 2020 18: 21 New
                    +3
                    And then! As an option: * Through the wild steppes of the Mississippia .... *. fellow
                    1. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 18: 30 New
                      +8
                      * The wild steppes of the Mississippia .... *.

                      (in a mournful voice):
                      In the wild steppes of the Mississippia,
                      Where only the corn grows
                      Native American, properly drunk,
                      Tried to arrange a trampoline ...
                      wassat Sorry - this is my first poetic experience! request
                      1. Phil77
                        Phil77 April 15 2020 18: 35 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        Native American, properly drunk,
                        Tried to arrange a trampoline ...

                        * Tried to climb a trampoline. *
                        And where did the trampoline come from in the Mississippia steppes? laughing
                      2. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 18: 46 New
                        +4
                        And where did the trampoline come from in the Mississippia steppes?

                        Sergey, I’ll finish it now! wink
                        The trampoline sold him a Quaker,
                        With the cowboys that rode
                        He doesn’t need him and in figs -
                        Traded in fox skins.
                        A poor Indian with a trampoline
                        Doesn't know what to do at all.
                        He drunk with him somersaulted,
                        And then completely numb.
                        So here are the imperialists
                        Indians cheated -
                        All the valuable lure
                        Instead, they only give bullshit!
                        laughing
                      3. Phil77
                        Phil77 April 15 2020 18: 49 New
                        +3
                        Bravo! And they, the wicked ones, were brought to the ancient land of Pomississipya by blacks !!!! A lot! lol
                      4. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 18: 57 New
                        +2
                        Bravo! And they, the wicked ones, were brought to the ancient land of Pomississipya by blacks !!!! A lot!

                        Where they just did not deliver them .... what
                      5. Phil77
                        Phil77 April 15 2020 19: 06 New
                        +1
                        That's it! But the Mississippians are especially offended! laughing lol
                      6. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 19: 10 New
                        +2
                        That's it! But the Mississippians are especially offended!

                        well yes. Few people want to live on a reservation .. Although they now have a number of lotions about the Indians. Are there, like, gambling zones, or something like that? drinks
                        A building neighbor about three years ago went to the USA as a tourist. A bus drove across America. They stopped at a canyon. The territory of the Indians. There is a desire - they put in a minibus, and for a small fee they transport along this canyon. Such a business! hi
                      7. Phil77
                        Phil77 April 15 2020 19: 19 New
                        +1
                        In different ways. There is a Navajo reservation, where the annual budget is about 96 million dollars. And there is an agreement, there is an average life expectancy of about 50 years. Imagine?
                      8. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 19: 47 New
                        +2
                        And there is an agreement, there the average life expectancy is about 50 years. Imagine?

                        And there is also the Lakota tribe, which announced in 2008 the secession from the United States. For alcoholism, drug addiction, suicide ... recourse
    2. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave April 15 2020 18: 26 New
      +3
      They wrote to me.
      "In a public Parisian toilet,
      There are inscriptions in Russian! " (FROM)
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  • Phil77
    Phil77 April 15 2020 18: 23 New
    +3
    * Texas, all nights are full of fire.
    Texas, why did you ruin me? ... * laughing
  • AllBiBek
    AllBiBek April 15 2020 16: 36 New
    +3
    And she doesn’t lie, by the way. Initially, it was just oilseed, later they began to let the stems onto the strings. And - yes, almost in that region. In Asia Minor, to be more precise.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 15 2020 10: 49 New
    +6
    Flax is still grown themselves.
    And there is a version that with the Exodus Moses and flax also took.
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 11: 07 New
      +8
      And there is a version that with the Exodus Moses and flax also took.

      The outcome looked like this:
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 April 15 2020 11: 10 New
        +5
        It remains to present the possible geographical coordinates of the meeting place. No forests, no swamps nearby.
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 11: 39 New
          12
          It remains to present the possible geographical coordinates of the meeting place. No forests, no swamps nearby.

          "Almost came!" - said Susanin,
          Coconut plucking on the go .... what
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 April 15 2020 11: 44 New
            +6
            "Where did you see the Nero
            In bast shoes and onuchs?
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 12: 01 New
              +7
              "Where did you see the Nero
              In bast shoes and onuchs?

              What kind of deeds, what kind of art in Caesar's kind:
              The joy of shame from bad singing on alien scaffolding,
              An honor given by the Greeks to earn a parsley wreath!
              negative
              (Juvenal about the verses of Nero).
              Found an interesting article about Nero the poet:
              https://history.wikireading.ru/171805
              1. Korsar4
                Korsar4 April 15 2020 12: 22 New
                +4
                But for the benefit of the ligaments, leek was eaten daily. You could say - propagandized.
                1. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 12: 46 New
                  +6
                  But for the benefit of the ligaments, leek was eaten daily. You could say - propagandized.

                  Sergey, was he not a vegan for an hour? So expect a trick from them. wink Hitler, too, seemed to prefer plant foods ... what
                  In general, that's what it means - "a person is out of place." If Nero had such a passion for self-posing, naturally, he would have been better off being an artist or an athlete ... request
                  “But soon,” says Tacitus, “he himself began to convene there (to the circus, to look at his own speeches with horses - approx. P.K.) the simple people of Rome, praising him with praises, for the mob, greedy for entertainment, was glad that princeps has the same inclinations as her. But, having humiliated his dignity by public appearances, Nero did not feel, as expected, satiety with them; on the contrary, he became even more passionate about them ”(Tacitus. Annals, XIV, 14). hi
                  but this is almost worthy of Heliogabal (by the way, Vyacheslav Olegovich wrote well about him in due time):
                  Nero established pensions for horse racing veterans, dressing them in human clothes, and enthusiastically got involved in a showdown between factions competing in speed, which caused frequent unrest, but absorbed passions that otherwise could find a more dangerous way out in something else. The factions were distinguished by their colors — Green, Blue, Red, and White, and Nero faithfully supported the Greens. He wore green in the Circus Maxim, where the main races took place, and the treadmill was strewn with green copper dust.
                  Just like the owner of a racing team! drinks
                  1. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 April 15 2020 13: 13 New
                    +4
                    I heard that he didn’t eat apples and fresh dates. This, again, is to preserve the voice.
                    1. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 13: 20 New
                      +7
                      I heard that he didn’t eat apples and fresh dates. This, again, is to preserve the voice.

                      and peas?
                      By the way, Sergey, in fact, in Rome we have one of the first practices outsourcing enterprises (which has been revived already in our modernity). And more specifically - fish sauce production ... wink
                    2. Korsar4
                      Korsar4 April 15 2020 13: 21 New
                      +4
                      I heard that dinners were from noon to midnight. You could eat a lot.
                    3. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 13: 24 New
                      +6
                      I heard that dinners were from noon to midnight. You could eat a lot.

                      Hmm .. it looks like we chopped compared to the patricians! request on the other hand, why not? We poured ourselves some wine, fell apart in sheets on the beds, and chew lazily under a pleasant conversation about the intricacies of the universe. drinks
                    4. Korsar4
                      Korsar4 April 15 2020 13: 37 New
                      +4
                      A sheet and a bed are something southern.
                      Another is the Russian stove.

                      It remains only to understand what season it is.

                      PS I remember about the passionate week.
                    5. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 14: 03 New
                      +6
                      PS I remember about the passionate week.

                      you can scold me, I don’t remember church dates very much, to be honest. recourse
                      It is interesting for the Kolomiyets in a book about armored cars of the times of the WWI to provide a letter, EMNIP, 1917, about some kind of prototype: "The prototype will be ready for Easter." That is ... people thought then in several different categories! Not by numbers, but by memorable dates! hi (yes, I hope I have not offended anyone).
                      It remains only to understand what season it is.

                      the season to sit at home, watch TV, chat in VO, and on the street - no, no. stop drinks
                    6. Korsar4
                      Korsar4 April 15 2020 14: 09 New
                      +4
                      That's it: non-flying weather for an indefinite period.
                    7. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 14: 15 New
                      +5
                      That's it: non-flying weather for an indefinite period.

                      We will live, Sergey! drinks everything will pass, and it will pass.
                    8. Korsar4
                      Korsar4 April 15 2020 14: 24 New
                      +4
                      So I turn the ring, even if not King Solomon.
                      And so - that's right. Everything is changeable.
                    9. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 14: 38 New
                      +5
                      So I turn the ring, even if not King Solomon.

                      the main thing is to not from a grenade ... yes
                      And so - that's right. Everything is changeable.

                      reminds a philosophical joke:
                      Lost in an unfamiliar area, and decided to ask for directions from a passing grandfather. He slowly raised his head and said: "Everyone has their own way ..." Got it! I am in Ancient Japan!
                      What could be better than a forum for a pleasant conversation? drinks
                    10. Korsar4
                      Korsar4 April 15 2020 14: 47 New
                      +3
                      Here we are jumping - from Ancient Egypt to Ancient Rome and Japan.
                      But that's all - on the Ryazan kneading.

                      (Just in case, this is not a pebble in the garden of Constantine).
                    11. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 14: 55 New
                      +5
                      Here we are jumping - from Ancient Egypt to Ancient Rome and Japan.

                      Is it really bad? But we give each other completely different information, who did not know what. drinks
                    12. Korsar4
                      Korsar4 April 15 2020 15: 06 New
                      +3
                      I really like.
                      The only question is what remains in the dry residue. A little less than we would like.

                      But too great is the combination of history with geography.
                    13. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 15: 11 New
                      +5
                      I really like.

                      and I have more ku!
                      The only question is what remains in the dry residue. A little less than we would like.

                      it is good when professionals with specialized education and experience participate. Or scholars, like Viktor Nikolaevich and Mikhail. Then the forum really takes on an educational function. hi For myself, unfortunately, I can’t say this ... recourse
                    14. Korsar4
                      Korsar4 April 15 2020 15: 15 New
                      +5
                      Like a bunch on the field. And each with its own tent.
                    15. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 15: 23 New
                      +7
                      Like a bunch on the field. And each with its own tent.

                      but these are Good tents. We are divided by interests. But we do not throw slogans at each other in half with insults. Although we live in different cities, and relate to completely different professions. drinks
                    16. Korsar4
                      Korsar4 April 15 2020 15: 35 New
                      +4
                      Slogans are simply meaningless and not interesting.

                      Although each squad may have its own speech.
                    17. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 15: 45 New
                      +6
                      Although each squad may have its own speech.

                      simple - to each his own. Someone interested in letting out steam to others. hi
                    18. Aviator_
                      Aviator_ April 15 2020 21: 58 New
                      +1
                      Well, if it is only steam, and not nothing else, from waste products.
                    19. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku April 16 2020 09: 59 New
                      +3
                      Well, if it is only steam, and not nothing else, from waste products.

                      Alas, alas, Sergey. It’s scary to visit some forums. They don’t see each other, sit, argue, swear. And I, you know, just want to sit in a quiet sandbox and chat about everything. drinks
                    20. Aviator_
                      Aviator_ April 16 2020 10: 27 New
                      +1
                      I am also here because of the possibilities of communicating with like-minded people. However, one should not tear oneself away from reality either - there are a lot of organisms around, completely inadequate. and this must be remembered. I had a note here about Bandera, in the comments to it, at first I was surprised at the diversity of the results of the reader’s mental activity, and when this note suddenly appeared on Zen too, the stupidity of comments went off scale at all. So in VO is not so bad. Our sandbox is still calm (relatively).
                    21. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku April 16 2020 10: 38 New
                      +2
                      So in VO is not so bad.

                      VO is generally a paradise in comparison with other sites with an open forum! And so we are running here to communicate. drinks
                      then there the stupidity of comments generally went off scale.

                      yes, there is complete darkness. I read it somehow ... There, however, and the level of "articles" .. also darkness! wink
                    22. Aviator_
                      Aviator_ April 16 2020 10: 42 New
                      +1
                      The principle is not clear how articles come to Zen without the knowledge of the authors. Well, to hell with them. Have a nice day! I’m going to take out the trash, I hope they don’t ask for a pass.drinks
                    23. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku April 16 2020 11: 12 New
                      +2
                      The principle is not clear how articles come to Zen without the knowledge of the authors.

                      God knows. And God be with him.
                      Have a nice day! I’m going to take out the trash, I hope they don’t ask for a pass.

                      And have a nice day! drinks we are not yet asked in St. Petersburg laughing
                    24. Aviator_
                      Aviator_ April 16 2020 13: 59 New
                      +1
                      He took it out, then his wife sent for groceries. In our suburbs, it’s still quiet, although one wondered (40 years) that he would live through the house, managed to get a coronovirus diagnosis, they got him out of the apartment with the police (sorry, with the police), the whole city is discussing the event. I regularly visit St. Petersburg, there one office makes us an upgrade of equipment. Private office (LLC), it’s a pity if it does not survive after the current mess. There is no one else to do this; in Kazan, everyone who knew how to do something has already celebrated their 70-80th anniversaries.
                    25. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku April 16 2020 14: 15 New
                      +2
                      There is no one else to do this; in Kazan, everyone who knew how to do something has already celebrated their 70-80th anniversaries.

                      Yeah, a sad picture .. sad
                      the whole city is discussing the event.

                      people want to discuss things like that!
                      I don’t know who I was asking - it seems like no one is familiar with the diagnosis of the virus. But, in any case, pah pah pah, take care of everything, dear forum users!
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar April 15 2020 16: 53 New
      +1
      Glory to the CPSU!
      Glory to Ukraine!
      Glory is a fig singer!
      Quote: Korsar4

      Although each squad may have its own speech.
    3. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 17: 31 New
      +3
      Glory is a fig singer!

      the worse the singer’s voice is, the less clothes she’s wearing .... wink By the way, Albert, some of them even the orders are unclear for what merit they get ... (I'm talking about modern half-naked, and not about those who spoke at the front). request the joke about slogans is counted! wink
    4. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar April 15 2020 18: 03 New
      +3
      Probably for being performed in a half-naked form laughing
    5. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 18: 08 New
      +4
      Probably for being performed in a half-naked form

      well, obviously not for the depth of voice and multi-octave! laughing drinks
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 15 2020 19: 06 New
    +2
    More work with the rhythm.
  • Catfish
    Catfish April 15 2020 16: 48 New
    +5
    Hello, Sergey. smile
    The garden can be bombed even with a shaving flight. Dig - dig, but nothing has been sown yet. And in general, it’s easier for us to live here than you, the townspeople, drove into the forest on a quadric yesterday and breathed free air. drinks
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 15 2020 16: 52 New
    +5
    I can only rejoice.
    Who could have left us.
    And then it remains to be patient.

    However, the art of sleeping off has not been brought to perfection.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave April 15 2020 18: 30 New
    +4
    Uncle Kostya is a wide soul! He will forgive.
  • kalibr
    April 15 2020 21: 55 New
    +2
    In the magazine "Secrets of the XX century" I will have an article on how the Romans ate bread. Then, how they generally ate and lay at the same time ... When I don't know ...
  • Mihaylov
    Mihaylov April 15 2020 14: 40 New
    +4
    Quote: Pane Kohanku
    fish sauce production ...

    Garum?
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 14: 42 New
    +6
    Garum?

    Hello, hello! drinks To be honest, I don’t remember what it was called, but they did it away from the city because of the wild stink ... laughing Well, and .. sauce lovers carried a bunch of parasites, as I understand it. belay
  • Mihaylov
    Mihaylov April 15 2020 14: 46 New
    +6
    Good afternoon Nikolai,
    It seems he was called Garum, the Romans loved him very much. As I understand it, he replaced ketchup with them, everyone ate with him. I have never tried one. But I can imagine how he smelled during production. In Asia, as I understand it, now it is a very popular sauce and is made using approximately the same technologies.
    By the way, I saw a stone pit in Khersones in the Crimea: the guide said that such a sauce was made in it.
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 14: 53 New
    +7
    I have never tried one. But I can imagine how he smelled during production. In Asia, as I understand it, now it is a very popular sauce and is made using approximately the same technologies.

    I have not tried either. Somehow I do not want to be honest. In China, it seems, they also loved it, so even in the mummy the empress found themselves, you know, which of the tapes.
    By the way, I saw a stone pit in Khersones in the Crimea: the guide said that such a sauce was made in it.

    yes so. And they set out to roam.
    As I understand it, he replaced ketchup with them, everyone ate with him.

    I just think why the Swedes serve their meatballs with lingonberry (or cranberry?) jam. what and they historically had no ketchup! Here is a replacement from national products. Although the Scandinavians are generally full of fancy dishes. And Marshal Bernadotte was not so used to Swedish cuisine! (although it is unlikely that they would palm off him for him) laughing
  • Mihaylov
    Mihaylov April 15 2020 14: 56 New
    +5
    Quote: Pane Kohanku
    Swedes serve their meatballs with lingonberry (or cranberry?) jam.

    When I tried it for the first time I thought: what a savagery, what kind of products that are not compatible, but it turned out to be tasty.
    What is surplus?
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 15: 00 New
    +6
    When I tried it for the first time I thought: what a savagery, what kind of products that are not compatible, but it turned out to be tasty.

    I am also unusually perceived, so I have not tried it that way.
    What is surplus?

    pickled herring. Personally, I have not tried or seen, but according to the description ....
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 15 2020 15: 10 New
    +5
    I tried it. This is an element of the Christmas table.
    But the main thing there is a lot of approaches. And you are already eating away with other fish.
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 15: 15 New
    +6
    But the main thing there is a lot of approaches. And you are already eating away with other fish.

    alas to me! I live almost next to this same Scandinavia, one might say, the first and only time was in Finland last November! sad
    I tried it. This is an element of the Christmas table.

    And How? wink
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 15 2020 15: 17 New
    +4
    Edible. But nothing special.

    However, “Our daughter-in-law is cracking. Honey and he eats. "
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 15: 21 New
    +6
    However, “Our daughter-in-law is cracking. Honey and he eats. "

    Are you crazy about Berlin;
    I prefer Medyn.
    You, my friend, and bitter fuck - raspberry,
    And to me and Blanmange - wormwood.

    (Kozma Prutkov, 1854).
    Well, yes, every nation gets used to its dishes, which have developed historically for various reasons. hi
  • Mihaylov
    Mihaylov April 15 2020 15: 32 New
    +4
    Quote: Pane Kohanku
    Well, yes, every nation gets used to its dishes, which have developed historically for various reasons.

    From personal experience: why all the foreigners who tried to drink kvass, he caused some kind of sharp rejection. I do not understand...
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 15: 43 New
    +7
    From personal experience: why all the foreigners who tried to drink kvass, he caused some kind of sharp rejection. I do not understand...

    do Europeans have a kvass culture? I think no. In our culture, it was a constant drink. Kvassovarny were in the army, and even .. in prisons! In the prisons of pre-revolutionary St. Petersburg they were an indispensable phenomenon. And how did buccles whip under Pavel Petrovich? That’s what the head was sprayed with kvass, and then flour was already applied. soldier
    That is, apparently, kvass was used as a constant non-spoiling drink?
  • Mihaylov
    Mihaylov April 15 2020 15: 56 New
    +5
    Quote: Pane Kohanku
    In our culture, it was a constant drink.

    I agree: kvass is our everything.
    In peasant life, as I understand it, it was always the main drink. Unless only some decoctions on berries or herbs did. And so - kvass.
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 16: 01 New
    +5
    Unless only some decoctions on berries or herbs did. And so - kvass.

    that is, a relatively non-perishable long-lasting drink for all occasions? By the way, I think he was indispensable on ships. The water ran out.
  • AllBiBek
    AllBiBek April 15 2020 16: 58 New
    +4
    And kvass barrels exploded.

    Therefore, no one has ever taken beer by sea except in the vicinity, and understanding all the risks.

    Wine, by the way, is also not a panacea for long voyages. Especially in hot latitudes.

    Sour in the holds.

    The fact that the rotten water diluted with sour wine does not often cause cholera was not immediately noticed, but when it was noticed, the era of the Great Geographic did not take long.
  • Mihaylov
    Mihaylov April 15 2020 17: 07 New
    +2
    If I understand the "cocktail culture" correctly, we owe the Navy: did grog, punches and other drinks containing strong alcohol go from there?
  • AllBiBek
    AllBiBek April 15 2020 17: 25 New
    +3
    No.

    Renaissance culture is "tasty to eat".

    This is when the cooks began to fester, table etiquette appeared, and other moments when food was put out for a hundred snickering snouts for a hundred. And drinks - alcoholic and nonalcoholic - as much.

    After that, the servants, in the format of replacing dishes, poured all the unfinished drinks into one container, and - not to be lost? In Italy, this swill was called a "cocktail" (wines and juices were of different colors, so they were compared to a rooster's tail), and in France - a punch.

    Punch and grog as warming drinks, based on the products of distillation of alcohols, appeared much later, and it was just as warming hot drink for cold weather.
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 18: 05 New
    +4
    and just like warming hot drink for cold weather.

    when Thomas Cavendish passed the Strait of Magellan it was written: "We could drink half a pint of brandy and stay sober. " Cold sir! request
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 18: 00 New
    +2
    did grogues, punches and other strong alcohol drinks come from there?

    on "varheda" there were two articles about how the "gentlemen" were drinking in the colonies, and not only there.
    https://warhead.su/2017/12/08/dzhentlmeny-v-zapoe-kak-i-chto-pili-trista-let-nazad
    https://warhead.su/2017/12/11/ofitsery-v-zapoe-chto-i-skolko-pili-trista-let-nazad
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 17: 14 New
    +2
    The fact that the rotten water diluted with sour wine does not often cause cholera was not immediately noticed, but when it was noticed, the era of the Great Geographic did not take long.

    By the way, the Galapagos Islands were discovered by chance when a ship with a bishop on board, sent from Mexico to Peru, was taken to the ocean. So - when there was little water left, the bishop ordered the people to drain the water along with the rest of the wine. They drank this until they discovered the Galapagos.
    And kvass barrels exploded.

    did not know!
  • AllBiBek
    AllBiBek April 15 2020 17: 34 New
    +3
    I don’t know about the history of the opening of the Galapagos Islands, but - since the bishop is on board, then he has a supply of wine for the liturgies, so it’s easy. The stock is small, by the way, among the laity Catholics it is communed with wine, only with bread. But, the campaign, either knew something, or hit the sky with his finger, believing in the healing power of blessed wine.
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 17: 44 New
    +2
    I don’t know about the history of the opening of the Galapagos Islands, but - since the bishop is on board, then he has a supply of wine for the liturgies, so it’s easy.

    Anatoly, I lied a little from memory. He ordered wine and water to be drained already on the way back from the Galapagos to the mainland. hi
    On February 23, 1535, Bishop Thomas Berlanga was sent from Panama to Peru, planting the first bananas in America. The venerable “archpastor” had three tasks: the spiritual leadership of the Peruvian Catholics, the arbitration of disputes between the bishop of Peru and the conqueror of the country, and the secret observation of Pizarro. On the eighth day, the ship Berlanga fell into the calm, was picked up by the Equatorial current and deviated far to the west. On March 10, land suddenly opened before him - one of the islands (probably Isabella) of the archipelago, later called the Galapagos.
    <........> On March 11, Berlanga spotted another, larger island, and the thirsty team set about searching for a source on it, "but within two days they could not find a drop of water." Then the sailors drew attention to “the leaves of the Tartar, similar to prickly pears, juicy enough, but not very tasty; we began to eat them and squeeze out the juice ... ". <........> At first, Berlanga mistakenly thought that the archipelago he discovered was 120–150 km from the coast of Peru, and ordered to make a small supply of juice. But with an average wind, the Spaniards moved east for 11 days, and the land did not appear. The bishop ordered to divide the remaining water into two parts - one for animals, and the other for people, and pour it into a barrel of wine. Eight more days passed. "And when ... the barrel ran out and there was nowhere to wait for help, we saw the land, but ... got into a two-day calm ..." The ship reached the coast of South America on April 9, 1535, just south of the equator.

    From the monumental work of the Magidovich - I highly recommend it, I have this handbook. drinks quotes are translations of letters from Berlang himself.
    http://discover-history.com/chapter_215.htm#galapagos
  • AllBiBek
    AllBiBek April 15 2020 18: 05 New
    +5
    It is strange that it is not the other way around (a barrel of wine in half a barrel of water, they have different capacities, it is clear which ones have less), and - where did the other contents of the barrel go?). Did Padre bite into one face on the way out of boredom?
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 18: 13 New
    +3
    Did Padre bite into one face on the way out of boredom?

    Locked in the cabin, and used in one tonus! belay True, it was! yes He ate bananas, which he was supposed to land, so only half of them sailed from them. request drinks
  • Aviator_
    Aviator_ April 15 2020 22: 03 New
    0
    Wine, by the way, is also not a panacea for long voyages. Especially in hot latitudes.

    Sour in the holds.

    Port did not sour, for there are many degrees. Actually, in Portugal it was invented for sea voyages.
  • AllBiBek
    AllBiBek April 15 2020 22: 13 New
    +1
    Nothing of the kind; it was not invented for this.

    This is an Anglo-French trade war, it is a ban on the export of French wines to England, and this is a way to make alternative wines - Portuguese hellish sourness - that can not sour along the way from Portugal to the English coast. For even this was enough to turn into vinegar in the hold.

    Port as a drink for the navy has never been considered by any fleet in principle.
  • Mihaylov
    Mihaylov April 15 2020 18: 20 New
    +2
    Quote: Pane Kohanku
    relatively non-perishable long-lasting drink for all occasions

    Nikolay, I can’t say how long the kvass of that time was kept, it seems to me that like the beer of that time it wasn’t very long, a few days, but I don’t know exactly, but why it was always on hand I would make an assumption: maybe this was due to the process of its production. Maintaining the starter culture was apparently easier. My grandmother made homemade kvass, and when for some reason there was no leaven or it spoiled, the easiest way was to get it from neighbors. It was possible to wander ourselves, but it was somehow difficult to do, I don’t remember how. The kvass turned out to be so yellow and sour (I mixed sugar there) and there was some degree there for sure: somehow the lid exploded and the dog went awry and really numb. Kvass, which was sold in barrels on the streets, in my childhood I liked more, because it was sweet.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar April 15 2020 16: 57 New
    +2
    Quote: Mihaylov

    From personal experience: why all the foreigners who tried to drink kvass, he caused some kind of sharp rejection. I do not understand...

    No way. Black non-alcoholic beer tastes very similar to kvass, very popular in Europe, as well as in Israel, and before the arrival of a wave of former USSR soldiers.
  • Fat
    Fat April 15 2020 19: 44 New
    +3
    Quote: Krasnodar
    Quote: Mihaylov

    From personal experience: why all the foreigners who tried to drink kvass, he caused some kind of sharp rejection. I do not understand...

    No way. Black non-alcoholic beer tastes very similar to kvass, very popular in Europe, as well as in Israel, and before the arrival of a wave of former USSR soldiers.

    I recalled an episode from some very old TV show ... I can’t remember the name, but what kind of ... no royal bride, not royal royal bride ... Not the point ...
    The boyar leaves the bathhouse, he is served a drink in the bucket, tries ...
    - what is it?
    - kvass, boyar ...
    - put mint?
    - lay down ...
    - ah ...
    (several times listing the possible ingredients)
    - lied, boyar ...
    - Well, d. Uraki! It was necessary to lay down the malt!
  • Fat
    Fat April 15 2020 19: 11 New
    +1
    Quote: Mihaylov
    From personal experience: why all the foreigners who tried to drink kvass, he caused some kind of sharp rejection. I do not understand...

    Offering a kvass to a foreigner, you should not call it a Russian national drink. Say that this is a slightly alcoholic BEER according to a village recipe. Flies only on the road ... There is also personal experience laughing
    But it’s not worth offering okroshka, it’s a very peculiar dish.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar April 15 2020 19: 20 New
    +1
    Okroshka on ayran among foreigners goes with a bang, on kvass - by zeros)).
  • Fat
    Fat April 15 2020 19: 25 New
    +1
    Quote: Krasnodar
    Okroshka on ayran among foreigners goes with a bang, on kvass - by zeros)).

    Well then there was not at hand either ayran or yogurt, or even beetroot broth ... request
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar April 15 2020 19: 27 New
    0
    Then - trash))
    Even the Kuban did not take okroshka on kvass laughing ... and speaking of Europeans ...
  • Fat
    Fat April 15 2020 20: 38 New
    +1
    In my case, about Canadians))))) then I thought .... A beer hangover is the worst punishment for pleasure ....
  • kalibr
    April 15 2020 22: 00 New
    +1
    Quote: Mihaylov
    From personal experience: why all the foreigners who tried to drink kvass, he caused some kind of sharp rejection. I do not understand...

    I had a Japanese friend who loved kvass. Tried to do at home. Sent him dry in bags! So there are exceptions ...
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 15 2020 15: 36 New
    +4
    “Who loves watermelon, and who loves pig cartilage” (c).
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 16: 23 New
    +4
    Sergey, your topic! Dear Sergey (upstream) said:
    Unless only some decoctions on berries or herbs did. And so - kvass.

    What do we have in general herbal in the culture of drinks? Ivan tea - yes. And what else is historically?
    And can we say that our kvass is, conventionally, an analogue of beer among Europeans? That is, according to the intended purpose - not "to use", but to preserve the taste. By the way, the Egyptians also had beer ... what
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 15 2020 16: 40 New
    +3
    But what about jelly?

    “I went to the king,
    He brought the dish to kissel. ”

    Fruit drinks, again.

    By the way, the widespread use of Ivan tea began when Chinese tea began to fake.

    Near St. Petersburg was partially replaced with fireweed (Ivan tea) - Comorian tea.
    And in the vicinity of Moscow, drunk tea was reused.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 15 2020 16: 49 New
    +2
    And also, by the way. Sour banks - according to one version, from rhizomes of reeds that grew along the banks.
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 16: 52 New
    +5
    Near St. Petersburg was partially replaced with fireweed (Ivan tea) - Comorian tea.

    Yes, it is called “Ivan-Koporsky tea”. This is from the Koporya fortress. There is a holiday there on the last weekend of June, and they sell a bunch of types of Ivan tea with increments. good
    I heard about the story with a fake. There seemed to be a "criminal cartel" in general, since cabinet-makers were also involved in this business, forging Chinese wooden boxes in which Chinese tea was delivered to Russia. Instead, happy customers were shoved into domestic boxes with Ivan-tea ... wink Well, by the way, I love Ivan tea! And for me personally, this, excuse me, is a small-town-patriotic - our own invention, and the name is from Koporye! laughing drinks although in Pskov the same ivan-tea will be called "Stolbushin's broth", if I'm not mistaken.
  • AllBiBek
    AllBiBek April 15 2020 17: 38 New
    +5
    Kissel, like compote, is not a drink, it is a dish.

    Here's how you imagine the banks of the drink?

    Kissel is a boiled flour talker, from which flour and with what additives - options from the poor hut to the royal palace.

    And stewed fruit is steamed dried fruit. Therefore, in the song about Deribasovskaya and the corner of Rishelievskaya, the grandmother eats compote precisely, and not drinks.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 15 2020 19: 00 New
    +1
    Yes at that time.

    And for compote, sugar is required. Dear.
    Therefore, usually, there was an uzvar - without sugar.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar April 15 2020 19: 21 New
    +1
    Steamed dried fruit is an uzvar)), Compote - fresh
  • AllBiBek
    AllBiBek April 15 2020 20: 18 New
    +4
    Ничего подобного.

    Just filled with boiling water and aged under the lid until it cools down - this is an uzvar.

    In a steam bath or simply cooked - this is a compote. But - in a steam bath it’s really tastier.
  • Fat
    Fat April 15 2020 20: 47 New
    +3
    Or in a thermos now or in a Russian oven earlier .... As for the Uzawar I will not say. But any powerful infusion is not a big problem ....))
  • cost
    cost April 15 2020 21: 00 New
    +2
    AllBiBek (Anatoly): Nothing like this. Just filled with boiling water and aged under the lid until it cools down - this is an uzvar

    Absolutely true! good
    It is a pity that I can not put more than one plus.
    It was deliberately not boiled, since grain starter or starch was added to it for density. Traditional Christmas drink in Cossack families
    Not from the village by birth?
  • AllBiBek
    AllBiBek April 15 2020 21: 40 New
    +2
    That's right.
    Stepnaya, Primorsko-Akhtarsky.
  • cost
    cost April 15 2020 21: 47 New
    +1
    And I'm from Lysogorsk drinks
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar April 15 2020 21: 21 New
    +2
    I used to make a compote of fresh apples / peaches / apricots with topping lemon and prunes.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave April 15 2020 18: 52 New
    +5
    And in the vicinity of Moscow, drunk tea was reused.
    Reminded.
    "- Why did you throw away the tea bag ?!
    - Yes, here ... The rope frayed ...
    - What are you, lazy ?! Sew a new one !! "
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 15 2020 19: 01 New
    +4
    This is the Odessa option.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave April 15 2020 19: 19 New
    +3
    It’s quite a Petersburg
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 15 2020 19: 23 New
    +3
    “You too are victims,
    So Russified.
    Mine are the fallen.
    Yours are innocently sat down ”(c).
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave April 15 2020 19: 40 New
    +3
    "But we must find out who the" Semites "are
    And, suddenly, these are very decent people,
    What if because of them something will happen to me? "(FROM)
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 15 2020 20: 09 New
    +3
    “What does the knife have to do with it?”
    What does robbery have to do with it?
    “Change the wording” (c).
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave April 15 2020 20: 17 New
    +3
    "The soul flies doom,
    From saxophone to knife "(C)
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 15 2020 20: 21 New
    +3
    "Reflected by a sad figure
    In a shabby cloak "(c).
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave April 15 2020 20: 27 New
    +3
    "A pale, thin, euro-eyed passer-by" (C)
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 15 2020 20: 40 New
    +3
    “A little jealous
    And a little upset
    Escorts me to the station
    Night Moscow "(c).
  • Fat
    Fat April 15 2020 21: 16 New
    +3
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    "But we must find out who the" Semites "are
    And, suddenly, these are very decent people,
    What if because of them something will happen to me? "(FROM)

    Remember the author of the quote, if possible ..., it was very reminiscent of one institute seminar ....
    Have you heard of the Arabs? Well every day! Well, here: Jews are a Semitic tribe thousands of years before the others who recognized monotheism.
    All of them are worthy of thousands of years, but they still can’t make it. Whose patron is more important ...
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 15 2020 21: 31 New
    +3
    Was that a question about Vysotsky?
  • AllBiBek
    AllBiBek April 15 2020 21: 44 New
    +2
    Ничего подобного.

    The first were the Chaldeans, there even the triune essence of the god of God is registered, although a little more wisely. Centuries before the Jews.
  • Fat
    Fat April 15 2020 21: 58 New
    +2
    Quote: AllBiBek
    Ничего подобного.

    The first were the Chaldeans, there even the triune essence of the god of God is registered, although a little more wisely. Centuries before the Jews.

    Not important. I said the main difference between the Semites and anti-Semites. In any case, the father of all gods in any mythology is .... Or Mother .... At us, Russians, we do not swear on the father but on the mother. This is the legacy of ancient legends .....
    But ...
    Sorry, I didn’t go there .... That's whoever wrote the article, otherwise I have a modest library ....
  • AllBiBek
    AllBiBek April 15 2020 22: 05 New
    +1
    What exactly?

    Phallic symbolism is a sign of cattle-breeding cultures, it is their marker (in the Old World), the cult of the vagina is farmers (in it). Everything is simple here, it is calculated by them. Further, by itself, the nuances, but here you can’t write one article, each case must be considered individually.
  • Fat
    Fat April 15 2020 20: 55 New
    +3
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    And in the vicinity of Moscow, drunk tea was reused.
    Reminded.
    "- Why did you throw away the tea bag ?!
    - Yes, here ... The rope frayed ...
    - What are you, lazy ?! Sew a new one !! "

    In one Jewish village, an old Jew was dying. Previously, many came to him to chat over a cup of tea and received good advice. The heirs came to him and began to ask to convey the experience of influence on others ....
    "They got it," said the elder, and suddenly, in a strong, loud voice, exclaimed: "JEWS! DO NOT REQUEST BREADS!" ......
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar April 15 2020 22: 53 New
    +2
    Old Rabinovich dies. -
    Tsilya, remember you weren’t released to Israel in the 70s? I wrote this denunciation to the KGB about your illegal teaching of Hebrew.
    - Forgive
    - Dima, remember, you did not enter the 68th medical faculty? I wrote this to the dean’s office about your dad’s real name.
    - Yes figs with you, forgive.
    - Monya, do you think they came to you from the OBKhSS?
    - Yes, forget it
    “Now you have forgiven me.” Fulfill the dying person’s last wish?
    - Of course.
    - When I die, put me in a coffin on my stomach, and in the ass stick 10 roses. Then my notary will give each of you 50 thousand dollars.
    So they did, and they buried him in a closed coffin. Police bursts into the funeral - to all stay in place, open the coffin lid.
    Jews are outraged - what happened?
    Two days ago, a certain Rabinovich called us and said that I would mock the corpse here.
  • Fat
    Fat April 16 2020 00: 46 New
    +2
    Laughing half the night ....
    Samyumr is characteristic of a tenacious community. Far from the Jews, but three titanium balls - our everything ...)))))))))
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 15 2020 16: 44 New
    +4
    And also sbiten and mead. And other derivatives of honey.
    But this is a separate song.
  • AllBiBek
    AllBiBek April 15 2020 17: 59 New
    +6
    Mead is, after all, an alcoholic, non-alcoholic honey-based - this is the so-called "fed", with an emphasis on "a". Just honey boiled in water. It was served at the end of the meal, the word "satiety" is just a derivative of it.
  • Mihaylov
    Mihaylov April 15 2020 18: 26 New
    +5
    Quote: AllBiBek
    Mead is still a drunk,

    Once, a wonderful mead was served in the Detinets restaurant in V. Novgorod.
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 18: 34 New
    +4
    Once, a wonderful mead was served in the Detinets restaurant in V. Novgorod.

    I won't say for mead, but in the Telegraph cafe, which is opposite the Novgorod Kremlin, you can order a set of three types of tincture, 50 g each. every glass. Very much even nothing! good
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 15 2020 19: 02 New
    +4
    I have clear associations with Suzdal.
  • cost
    cost April 15 2020 19: 24 New
    +2
    I have clear associations with Suzdal.

    cafe "Pogrebok" on the side of the "Trading Rows". Eighties. yes
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 15 2020 19: 26 New
    +2
    It was later. And in the nineties, and in the two thousandth. Sbiten was in different versions
  • Fat
    Fat April 15 2020 21: 41 New
    +1
    Quote: Mihaylov
    Quote: AllBiBek
    Mead is still a drunk,

    Once, a wonderful mead was served in the Detinets restaurant in V. Novgorod.

    This is just a tracing paper from mead - honey mash, but also normal. I tried it a couple of times (modestly) at VDNKh at the hunting and fishing exhibitions in Russia. Effect .... You can speak, think and remember, but the problem with coordination of movements is ...
  • Mihaylov
    Mihaylov April 16 2020 11: 30 New
    0
    Quote: Thick
    You can speak, think, remember, but with the coordination of movements trouble ....

    That's right, that's right.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 15 2020 19: 02 New
    +2
    On the basis of honey there are many different drinks, different strengths.
  • AllBiBek
    AllBiBek April 15 2020 19: 04 New
    +3
    On the basis of honey, there are only two drinks, "nutritious honey" (aka "staged"), and the mead itself. Another thing is that there is a bunch of alcoholic and not very drinks with the addition of honey, but it is still not the main component there.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 15 2020 19: 10 New
    +2
    There were honey, were hoppy and boiled.
    And, given that the berries were added, the options were varied.
  • AllBiBek
    AllBiBek April 15 2020 16: 59 New
    +5
    Herbal drinks we have sbiten.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 15 2020 19: 03 New
    +2
    But this is still later. Ginger has appeared in Europe since the time of Marco Polo. And we have it much later.
  • AllBiBek
    AllBiBek April 15 2020 19: 11 New
    +3
    Do you think that everything that could get to Russia from South Asia - got there only through Europe, and appeared with us only through it?

    There, pepper, saffron, ginger ...

    Well, well.

    By the way, ginger in Europe has been known since the Crusades. Polo brought his botanical description and the seeds seem.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 15 2020 19: 18 New
    +1
    No. As far as I understand, the Silk Road worked.

    But the listed spices are a fortune.
    The same Elcano, when he kept one ship with spices, justified the loss of the remaining four, and even two hundred people who died.

    The price of saffron was fabulous. For a fake among the Germans, they could also be buried in the ground.

    In general, mass production could become relatively recent.
    Unless what substitutions were in the ingredients.
  • Fat
    Fat April 15 2020 22: 26 New
    +1
    Quote: AllBiBek
    Do you think that everything that could get to Russia from South Asia - got there only through Europe, and appeared with us only through it?
    There, pepper, saffron, ginger ...
    Well, well.
    By the way, ginger in Europe has been known since the Crusades. Polo brought his botanical description and the seeds seem.

    Enough in ancient life and their additives to food .... And when there were overseas spices, it was only the best.
    We call our own - seasoning, overseas additives - spices .... Is it not so?
  • AllBiBek
    AllBiBek April 15 2020 22: 58 New
    +1
    I didn’t think, honestly.
    But.
    If the definition of "overseas" was necessarily added to the word "spices" - then there were spices and non-sea ones.
    Dill seeds, for example - this is not seasoning, this is spice.
    Like anise seeds.
    But the question is interesting, thanks for pointing. Due to the temporary presence of excess free time - you can dig into the matter.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 15 2020 23: 55 New
    +2
    Pokhlebkin’s book is dedicated to this. And N. G. Zamyatina, more recently, read a series of popular lectures.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 15 2020 23: 50 New
    +2
    Pokhlebkin writes that spices, unlike seasonings, are not used separately.
  • AllBiBek
    AllBiBek April 16 2020 00: 11 New
    +2
    Here you can not agree with the master, dried herbs, for example - is it spice, or seasoning? Sorrel, dill, parsley, hyssop, marjoram ...
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 16 2020 04: 20 New
    +1
    Again according to Pokhlebkin - hyssop, marjoram, dill - are referred to spicy herbs.

    But with what I agree, most classifications are very arbitrary.
  • Fat
    Fat April 15 2020 22: 05 New
    +1
    Mint and horseradish are also powerful things ... Radish ...
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 15 2020 22: 10 New
    +1
    Yes.
    Immediately, associations arise like horseradish.
  • Fat
    Fat April 15 2020 23: 04 New
    +2
    Have you tried it? Sniffed? Tin crap with a cold - Thing!
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 April 15 2020 23: 53 New
    +1
    I tried it. As expected, in moderation.
  • Fat
    Fat April 15 2020 20: 01 New
    +1
    Quote: Pan Kohanku
    Sergey, your topic! Dear Sergey (upstream) said:
    Unless only some decoctions on berries or herbs did. And so - kvass.

    What do we have in general herbal in the culture of drinks? Ivan tea - yes. And what else is historically?
    And can we say that our kvass is, conventionally, an analogue of beer among Europeans? That is, according to the intended purpose - not "to use", but to preserve the taste. By the way, the Egyptians also had beer ... what

    Beer, yes, of course they made it. The key difference is that in Russia kvass was made on breadcrumbs (bread), and beer on grain sprouted. Sbiten (honey and herbal preparations, sometimes spices), sour cabbage soup (!) Was popular.
    Vladimir Gilyarovsky in the book "Moscow and Muscovites":
    ... Everyone demanded a favorite drink. Who was served the fragrant leaflet: it smells like a blackcurrant bud, as if you were lying under a bush in spring; to whom cherry - the color of a ruby, the taste of ripe cherries; to whom is raspberry; to whom white bread kvass, and to whom sour cabbage soup - a drink that is so carbonated that it had to be corked in champagne, otherwise it would break any bottle.
  • AllBiBek
    AllBiBek April 15 2020 16: 54 New
    +8
    Well, why?

    The combination of meat and sweet and sour to it is a classic. What cranberries, soaked cranberries, what - my favorite - pomegranate seeds. And the same narsharab (pomegranate syrup) is equally good as a meat sauce and ice cream jam.

    Regarding the garum, I had a chance to try a home-made one (my acquaintances reconstruct the original antique cuisine in accordance with all the rules), in its pure form it is disgusting, but if you add a little bit to olive oil and then dunk a tortilla there, it is very tasty.

    If you want to have an idea about the taste of Garum, imagine that you poured salted herring (more precisely, a pound of heads and entrails) with a couple of liters of soy sauce, and boiled over low heat until a liter was left. Here is something like this it is.
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 16: 59 New
    +5
    And the same narsharab (pomegranate syrup) is equally good as a meat sauce and ice cream jam.

    Anatoly, so I forgot - so forgot! hi Sure - pomegranate sauce! yes
    If you want to have an idea about the taste of Garum - imagine

    introduced .... wink well, dunno .. somehow I’m not burning with desire. To each his own! drinks
  • AllBiBek
    AllBiBek April 15 2020 17: 08 New
    +6
    Greetings, Pan).

    In general, in any cooking they come to the conclusion that the most delicious of the current set of products and cooking conditions is to make a) fatty b) as sweet as possible. And how to pull the sweet notes forward - this is what it is, "national cuisine".

    Garum, like soy sauce, is salty and sweet. So the task there is to smooth out the salty and to stretch out the sweet.

    I usually stupidly boil hard boiled eggs in soy sauce, for half an hour somewhere. It tastes so sweeter for him, the most for refueling. Yes, and eggs with such cooking - just lovely.

    And so, it is not in vain that they throw so many carrots into the same pilaf. Yes, and onions, too, in it no less sugars. Other things are already details.
  • Fat
    Fat April 16 2020 01: 52 New
    0
    Quote: AllBiBek
    In general, in any cooking they come to the conclusion that the most delicious of the current set of products and cooking conditions is to make a) fatty b) as sweet as possible. And how to pull the sweet notes forward - this is what it is, "national cuisine".

    Well. What about vinegar? Like sour wine only in "chemistry"? Lemon juice in the trash? Don't get carried away!
    The main thing is balance ..... Do you like Dijon mustard?)))))
    Add more:
    c) sour
    d) bitter
    e) spicy
  • AllBiBek
    AllBiBek April 16 2020 02: 10 New
    +1
    Well, all sorts of "taste zones" in the language from school textbooks of anatomy - you can forget it like a bad dream (it was relevant at the time when it was planned in such a role), but - if we take physiology - the most valuable products for us are a) fats b) Sahara. Others - well, are we omnivores, or who? Sour-bitter-spicy - this way is interrupted by the taste of food, in order to swallow it and so. Here the sense of smell is already included; try it, sour with a sweet smell you will eat a calm, sweet with a sour smell - already with abundant salivation, and sour with a sour smell - with difficulty. Others work the same way.
  • Fat
    Fat April 16 2020 06: 13 New
    0
    Collected. It’s not about taste zones here. Acid, as a defense factor and e-mine, is a preservative. Salt, friend, salt. This poison took cities. IMHO
  • Phil77
    Phil77 April 15 2020 18: 11 New
    +4
    Exactly! So, two * navigators * met. laughing
  • Phil77
    Phil77 April 15 2020 18: 27 New
    +2
    Sea of ​​flax, space and freedom
    Sea of ​​happiness, joy, love
    It's blue clear blue
    The sea of ​​flax responded to dreams ... *
    Svetlana Danilevskaya.
  • AllBiBek
    AllBiBek April 15 2020 16: 42 New
    +7
    He’s imported there, from Asia Minor. Or from Mesopotamia, which is most likely. Still, flax is a moisture-loving culture, and the local irrigation first appeared just among the Sumerians.

    And so, the first archaeological evidence of a crush of oil from flax seeds is Chatal-Huyuk in Turkey. From there, the first evidence of its use as a material for weaving mats, and there it is already close at hand to weaving.

    Because of this, by the way, it was necessary to single out such a phenomenon as "ceramic Mesolithic". However, the concept of "pre-ceramic Neolithic" at that time was already quite well-grounded and in use, so they took it calmly.
  • Hantengri
    Hantengri April 15 2020 09: 26 New
    +9
    and there was a definite meaning: sticky, dark paint protected the eyes from dust and partly from the too bright African sun.

    How? Was it glued to the visor or something? lol
    An original way that the Egyptians sometimes protected themselves from overheating. They attached to their heads a small fat cone made of a special thick and aromatic composition. As it melted from the sun, fragrant streams flowed from his head, which pleasantly refreshed the body.

    Interestingly, the "genius" who proposed this reconstruction of the ancient Egyptian "air conditioner" tried it himself at 40-45 Celsius, "nice to refresh" with the help of fat that flows down the body, heated in the sun? laughing
    1. Fishery
      Fishery April 15 2020 10: 25 New
      +4
      and nevertheless, there were wax cones, but it was an ordinary product or for some holidays, ceremonies, is unknown.
      1. Hantengri
        Hantengri April 15 2020 10: 47 New
        +2
        So I'm not talking about cones, but about the reconstruction of their application. It seems that the "reenactor" knows about the heat only from books. And he doesn't seem to have studied physics even at school.
        1. Fishery
          Fishery April 15 2020 10: 58 New
          +1
          here I do not know) but on the other hand, with oil and fat so as not to burn on the beach, we smear the same)
          1. Hantengri
            Hantengri April 15 2020 11: 37 New
            +2
            And is it refreshing? And if there is no water nearby where you can dive when heated?))) From personal experience: When moving to mountains with a backpack at + 35-40, the face muzzle without sunblock will transfer the heat much easier than with it. Therefore, I do not use it. Nehai better burns.)))
            1. Fishery
              Fishery April 15 2020 11: 40 New
              +2

              Here someone likes it, if this method also works with water) -Himba has almost no water: every drop that can be obtained will be carefully stored and drunk. To also wash with water - this is impossible to imagine here. Khimba has survived from time immemorial with a magic ointment, to which they owe their now famous red skin tone: a mixture of butter, knocked down from the milk of their skinny cows, various plant elixirs, and also crushed into the finest powder of bright red volcanic pumice “okra”. With this composition, Himba women smear the whole body and hair several times a day. Ointment helps maintain the necessary level of hygiene, protects against sunburn and insect bites. Surprisingly, the skin of Himba women is absolutely perfect. And they smell quite nice - except that it gives a little ghee ... The same supercream is the basis of a traditional hairstyle. Long “dreadlocks”, however, are approximately doubled in other people's hair: usually male, most often with respect accepted from the father of the family.
            2. Fishery
              Fishery April 15 2020 11: 40 New
              +1

              Here someone likes it, if this method also works with water) -Himba has almost no water: every drop that can be obtained will be carefully stored and drunk. To also wash with water - this is impossible to imagine here. Khimba has survived from time immemorial with a magic ointment, to which they owe their now famous red skin tone: a mixture of butter, knocked down from the milk of their skinny cows, various plant elixirs, and also crushed into the finest powder of bright red volcanic pumice “okra”. With this composition, Himba women smear the whole body and hair several times a day. Ointment helps maintain the necessary level of hygiene, protects against sunburn and insect bites. Surprisingly, the skin of Himba women is absolutely perfect. And they smell quite nice - except that it gives a little ghee ... The same supercream is the basis of a traditional hairstyle. Long “dreadlocks”, however, are approximately doubled in other people's hair: usually male, most often with respect accepted from the father of the family.
            3. Fishery
              Fishery April 15 2020 11: 44 New
              +2
              And there is such an idea - In general, around the mysterious caps of the inhabitants of Ancient Egypt there are a huge number of rumors. Some of them seem very strange and far-fetched, but some sound very logical. For example, an archaeologist from the US state of Georgia named Rune Nyord is convinced that the cone-shaped hats had no ritual purpose. In his opinion, the Egyptians wore them just for beauty, just like we wear hats and baseball caps.
              1. Hantengri
                Hantengri April 15 2020 11: 48 New
                +1
                Quote: Tonya
                Rune Nyyord is convinced that the cone-shaped headgear had no ritual purpose. In his opinion, the Egyptians wore them just for beauty, just like we wear hats and baseball caps.

                Logical version.
              2. AllBiBek
                AllBiBek April 15 2020 17: 55 New
                +3
                This aunt from the University of Atlanta is not an Egyptologist, and not even a Mayanist, but the conclusions are the same everywhere, what about Egypt, what about Maya. The history of gender identity is such a thing, and it is according to it. If I don’t confuse anyone.
            4. AllBiBek
              AllBiBek April 15 2020 17: 15 New
              +4
              Well, probably the Masai and other blacks living where even by African standards it’s hot - fools, since they are smeared with a mixture of fat and clay from the heat.

              The Greeks were fools too, regularly a naturalist with olive oil, and regularly scraped it all together with dust, and then again a naturalist. True, it clogged the pores so well, but - they also did not just develop the baths.

              In general, transposing personal experience to ancient eras is a bad manners, you know. Like in that joke:
              - A NATO soldier receives 4500 calories per day!
              - Lies! Well, a soldier cannot gobble up a bag of rutabaga for XNUMX hours!
            5. Astra wild
              Astra wild April 15 2020 21: 24 New
              +2
              "when moving in the mountains with a backpack + 35-40, the face without sunblock tolerates the heat much easier." I have never carried such backpacks and cannot judge. But my friend, lean, does not get tired at all in the heat and in the garden, and I cannot, although she is 5 kg lighter. Probably at the genetic level this is laid down
              1. Hantengri
                Hantengri April 15 2020 22: 39 New
                +1
                Quote: Astra wild

                "when moving in the mountains with a backpack + 35-40

                Here the temperature was meant. And backpacks, on average, weigh 18-40 kg, depending on the planned duration of "rest" and gender, and the weight of the "rest".
                Quote: Astra wild
                But my friend, lean, in the heat and in the garden does not get tired at all, and I can not, although it is 5 kg lighter than her. Probably at the genetic level this is

                Endurance is more dependent on habit, i.e. fitness and health status than from a genetic predisposition. hi
                1. Fat
                  Fat April 16 2020 01: 23 New
                  +1
                  In short ...
                  Sherpa in the mountains - ballast? No!
                  Genetic predisposition?

                  Habit?
                  This is to Lysenko and Michurin.
                  All Nepalese type ... Made by Nepalese and Nepal?

                  Quote: HanTengri
                  Endurance is more dependent on habit, i.e. fitness and health status than genetic predisposition


                  Maybe we’ll include a more advanced level? Endurance at height depends on hereditary data.
                  Priority
    2. Trilobite Master
      Trilobite Master April 15 2020 11: 56 New
      +5
      Quote: HanTengri
      "nice to refresh" with the help of fat, warmed up in the sun, flowing down the body?

      I also hardly imagine the pleasure of such a process.
      In general, I'm not very much for the heat, +25 is the limit of a comfortable existence for me. And my own experience of "saving" from the heat in some respects contradicts what we see with the Egyptians.
      For me - a headdress with a visor and loose light clothing that covers, first of all, shoulders, torso and does not sweat, that is, dry skin.
      For them - a dense black wig without a visor on his head (it heats up!), An open torso and a loincloth with a belt under which everything will sweat ...
      Either I am strange, or the Egyptians, or we don’t know something about their climate ... smile
      1. Crimea26
        Crimea26 April 15 2020 12: 12 New
        +1
        The same Uzbeks in dressing gowns cut through in the heat - as they do not explain this phenomenon from the side of physics, categorically "I do not understand"! ))) How can I imagine putting on such a robe in Crimea in the heat of 40, so that I can go to the beach - it becomes bad))). There is something else to look for in psychology)))
        1. Trilobite Master
          Trilobite Master April 15 2020 13: 04 New
          +6
          Quote: Crimea26
          There is something else in psychology to look for)))

          Rather, in physiology.
          People are different. The Eskimos ate one kilogram of fat per day, and they get sick from oranges. Negro offer a gram of three hundred salsa to screw without bread or fruit - if you do not die, then in any case, your health will greatly decrease. But on some bananas can live quite comfortably. Or take the same attitude to alcohol. A European suffers alcohol poisoning much more easily than an Asian or a Negro.
          So, I think, that business is not in psychology, more precisely, it is not necessary to search in psychology. Psychology is a derivative of physiology.
          1. Fat
            Fat April 16 2020 06: 18 New
            0
            We nif'iga don't know about fat, buddy ...
        2. Hantengri
          Hantengri April 15 2020 13: 35 New
          +1
          Quote: Crimea26

          Those Uzbeks in bathrobes cut through the heat -

          They haven’t cut it for a long time. Felt the difference, see.))
        3. AllBiBek
          AllBiBek April 15 2020 17: 19 New
          +3
          This is already physics.

          There is a layer of air between the dressing gown and the body, they wear it on the bare body.

          Also, hot tea is whipped in the heat to enhance sweating.

          In total, this gives air circulation (forced) with a tangible (when you get used to it) cooling effect.
        4. cost
          cost April 15 2020 19: 46 New
          +3
          The same Uzbeks in dressing gowns cut through in the heat - as they do not explain this phenomenon from the side of physics, categorically "I do not understand"! ))) How can I imagine putting on such a robe in Crimea in the heat of 40, so that I can go to the beach - it becomes bad))). There is something else to look for in psychology)))

          After joining the SAPO, he was also at first surprised at the Turkmens in cotton robes. Everything turned out to be simple. In those places with low humidity there is simply an unrealistic daily temperature difference: during the day - over 40 ° C, in the evening + 10-15 ° C. Cotton bathrobes chapans, like nothing else, help the body adapt to such conditions. . The people are wise.
        5. Aviator_
          Aviator_ April 15 2020 22: 13 New
          +2
          The Uzbek cotton bathrobe is a thermal insulation when there is heating outside. Look, the mining steelworkers all work in the felt. .
      2. Hantengri
        Hantengri April 15 2020 12: 22 New
        +5
        Quote: Trilobite Master
        In general, I’m not very hot, +25 for me is the limit of a comfortable existence.

        I, as I grew up in Tashkent, got used to another: +35, in the shade - relatively comfortable, +40 - tolerant, but above + 45 - this is hellish hell. laughing But this is in dry heat. And at high humidity - 35 - this is kirdyk.
        Quote: Trilobite Master
        For me - a headdress with a visor and loose light clothing that covers, first of all, shoulders, torso and does not sweat, that is, dry skin.

        Everything is correct, except for "don't sweat". Not sweating is a good strategy in damp heat, and vice versa in dry heat. It blows in a breeze and becomes cool. On a hike, in the mountains, if you wet a shirt and a baseball cap in a sai, consider the air conditioner.))
        Quote: Trilobite Master
        For them - a dense black wig without a visor on his head (it heats up!), An open torso and a loincloth with a belt under which everything will sweat ...

        Another culture ... Turkmens, generally, used to travel through the desert in a cotton chapan and a fur hat ...
        1. Trilobite Master
          Trilobite Master April 15 2020 12: 51 New
          +5
          Quote: HanTengri
          in dry heat.

          This does not happen with us.
          My brother lives in the Krasnodar Territory, not by the sea, but in the steppe - not Tashkent, of course, but also, especially regarding St. Petersburg, it’s very warm for himself ...
          In the summer, we were still boys, I came to him, and there + 35 in the shade ... But it’s dry. I got used to it for three or four days, but I was about thirteen years old ... It infuriated that the water in the ponds where we swam was 25 degrees, or even 30 degrees, no less. What was swimming, what wasn’t swimming ... And then somewhere in the mountains, two hundred kilometers, the rains passed, the Kuban swelled and the water in it became cold, at least in color as coffee with milk, but at least 20 degrees. The locals looked at me like a wretched one - you get out of the river, all dirty ...
          And then my brother came to us, got to +27, "lucky". She says that they have a fever for 40 more easily tolerated. But at least in the lake it was possible to cool down, there are key lakes, in them the water does not warm up deeper than half a meter, there is a river where it constantly mixes and is also always cool ...
          No, the heat is definitely not for me. Now, while I was writing, it somehow became uncomfortable, I wanted to cool ... smile
          1. Hantengri
            Hantengri April 15 2020 13: 13 New
            +5
            Quote: Trilobite Master
            What was swimming, what was not swimming ...

            That's why I always preferred to swim in the mountain rivers. Dive, swim for 2 minutes in icy, crystal clear water and howl to the shore ...)))
            1. cost
              cost April 15 2020 20: 20 New
              +1
              HanTengri: That's why I always preferred to swim in the mountain rivers. Dive, swim for 2 minutes in icy, crystal clear water and howl to the shore ...)))

              Dangerous occupation, especially in Central Asia.
              I'm in the mid 80's. I also decided to swim in the Kopet Dag mountains. And the gorge is at 45 ° C, but in the river and 10 ° C is not. The senior officers tried to dissuade me. And I told them - "Yes, leave me alone, I come from the Caucasus, I rinse myself in the mountain streams" .... I shouldn't have listened to the experienced. As a result, I got an inflammation of the tendons (tendonitis) of the right forearm. By evening, the hand was completely taken away - it hung like a whip. Then the hospital, and what the guys didn’t bring me there - both the mummy and snake ointments. I don’t know what helped. And all the critical temperature difference
              1. Hantengri
                Hantengri April 15 2020 22: 06 New
                +2
                Quote: Rich
                And the gorge is at 45 ° C, and in the river there is no 10 ° C.

                So I, too, since childhood (from 6 years old). And it is in Central Asia. And approximately in the conditions described by you. And nothing, like ... Probably a habit.
    3. EvilLion
      EvilLion April 15 2020 13: 30 New
      +2
      Well, in general, many thought of smearing the dark around the eyes in conditions of a very bright sun. The same Jack Sparrow made up in this regard is quite authentic, real pirates really painted like that.
      1. Hantengri
        Hantengri April 15 2020 14: 10 New
        +2
        Quote: EvilLion
        Well, in general, many thought of smearing the dark around the eyes in conditions of a very bright sun.

        What for? What does this give, in terms of physics?
        1. Fishery
          Fishery April 15 2020 19: 51 New
          +2
          there was lead in the composition helped from conjunctivitis) but shortened the lives of fashionistas)
        2. Fat
          Fat April 15 2020 23: 14 New
          0
          Khan, and think about it? Cutting off part of the reflected blue, you see, in part, past the glare. In the sand and in the sun, even if not big, but a plus ..,
    4. Fat
      Fat April 15 2020 20: 24 New
      0
      Quote: HanTengri
      Interestingly, the "genius" who proposed this reconstruction of the ancient Egyptian "air conditioner" tried it himself at 40-45 Celsius, "nice to refresh" with the help of fat that flows down the body, heated in the sun?

      Igor. Well, you are familiar with elementary physics. I will not complicate. Evaporating water takes away heat. Ice, when melted, takes heat away from the transition ... How are wax and hard fat different in principle? Is the amount of heat ....
    5. Astra wild
      Astra wild April 15 2020 21: 40 New
      +1
      Khan, YOU voiced my thoughts: at a temperature of +40 and fat on the face drains. The pleasure is something else. I wonder who came up with this?
      I imagined such a "air conditioner" brrr. Take a shower
      1. Hantengri
        Hantengri April 15 2020 23: 09 New
        +1
        Quote: Astra wild
        I wonder who came up with this?

        I'd like to give an exhaustive definition ... But banned, however. laughing
  • Avior
    Avior April 15 2020 09: 49 New
    +5
    In Egypt, musicians and dancers had their own professional clothing. Reproduction of 1910 from one of the ancient Egyptian frescoes. Cairo museum

    Stage costumes of this type are back in fashion. smile
  • Operator
    Operator April 15 2020 10: 16 New
    +6
    Homo sapiens formed in Africa 220 thousand years ago (haplogroup A), after which part of its descendants (haplogroup BT) migrated to Asia. 40 thousand years ago, Hamites (haplogroup E) began to migrate to Africa, which forced the first Homo sapiens to the south of the continent and made up the vast majority of Africans.

    The ancestors of the Egyptians entered the last wave of Hamitic migrants who came to Africa 10 thousand years ago at the end of the ice age. On the site of the Sahara there was a savannah, where the future Egyptians practiced hunting and gathering. As the climate warms and desertification, hunters began to concentrate near a constant source of water - the Nile, and due to a decrease in the number of game, they were forced to switch to agriculture.

    The Egyptian apron comes from the loincloth of the Stone Age hunters, which was preserved as a national tradition by their descendants of the Egyptians even after the transition to skirts and shirts. A wig is a hunter's reduced mask used to approach a game at a throwing distance of a spear.
    1. kalibr
      April 15 2020 11: 42 New
      +6
      How well you wrote all about the Egyptians! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
      1. cost
        cost April 15 2020 23: 02 New
        +2
        Here is an article! A long time ago this was not on the forum - 38 copyright stars! and 304 comments !, one more interesting than the other. With a record for you, Vyacheslav Olegovich !!! good
  • Alecsandr
    Alecsandr April 15 2020 11: 37 New
    -5
    That's interesting. Everyone has their own history. But the Russians are all vague and incomprehensible. Where did they come from, how they lived, how they formed into a state, how they fell from the moon. And the whole history was written by foreigners. Lomonosov was bullied and spread rot in every possible way. And now they lie so much that it was in fact, what a wonder. And we ourselves live and live and do not care about any "from Torii"
    1. kalibr
      April 15 2020 11: 41 New
      +4
      Quote: Alecsandr
      And the whole story is written by foreigners.

      Alexander! Go to my profile. There are several articles about our annals ... Read.
    2. Undecim
      Undecim April 15 2020 13: 02 New
      +7
      That's interesting. Everyone has their own story. But everything is foggy and incomprehensible for the Russians. Where they came from, how they lived, how they formed into the state. How they fell from the moon.
      Some kind of national inferiority complex.
      That's how many did not move around the globe from Vyngapur to New Zealand and from Guatemala to Japan, did not meet such suffering. All their history is perceived calmly and with dignity.
      And only from some representatives of the superethnos are lamentations that they have not been cut in history in the plot, even a little lower than Ancient Egypt, but always higher than the ancient Sumerians.
      1. Alecsandr
        Alecsandr April 15 2020 15: 50 New
        -2
        And we don’t bother. Russia was, is, and will be. How can they not rewrite history.
        1. Icelord
          Icelord April 19 2020 22: 32 New
          -1
          And they did not rewrite, you are our alternative gifted. Well, who wants to do such boring work? And most importantly, why? For fun?
    3. EvilLion
      EvilLion April 15 2020 13: 41 New
      +1
      It's hard when you skip school. In the network then you expose yourself stupid.
      1. Alecsandr
        Alecsandr April 15 2020 15: 45 New
        0
        Sometimes you need to listen to a fool, too, for a reasonable word can be said.
    4. Trilobite Master
      Trilobite Master April 15 2020 16: 09 New
      +5
      Quote: Alecsandr
      But for Russians everything is foggy and incomprehensible.

      Here on the site on this occasion there are works of Vashchenko, but they can be used to form a pretty decent picture of the ethnogenesis of the Slavs - how, when, where.
      If you certainly need a 10000-year-old or more history of the Russian people, then dismiss. This is for science fiction and hoaxers.
      On my own behalf I will say that any person has with any other a genetic genealogy of the same length.
      Quote: Alecsandr
      And the whole story is written by foreigners

      Not tired of these mantras?
      Who is the foreigner - Tatishchev? Karamzin? Kostomarov? Pogodin? Ilovaisky? Or maybe Rybakov, Yanin, Kirpichnikov, Zimin, Petrukhin? Name at least one foreigner. Ah, Bayer, Miller, Schlozer? And what works have you read? What did they write there? They, they, and not someone about them?
      Quote: Alecsandr
      Lomonosov in every possible way was also bullied.

      Oops! It seemed to me that Miller’s thesis was burned, according to a denunciation of Lomonosov, and not vice versa.
      Quote: Alecsandr
      And we ourselves live and live and do not care about any "fromToria"

      But this is correct. Live and spit. As an object of spitting, I also recommend psychology, sociology and other humanities - what is there to trifle, it’s all the same nothing is clear in them, only Jews are around there. And in general, in fact, what are you doing in this section, how did you get here? But it’s for you ... there ... where I DO NOT ... Me.
      1. Alecsandr
        Alecsandr April 15 2020 16: 16 New
        -2
        And it’s nothing that most of the Dead Sea scrolls turned out to be fake. So the whole story was rewritten for the sake of someone and something. No one had a greater impact on the course of history than the historians themselves.
        1. Trilobite Master
          Trilobite Master April 15 2020 16: 24 New
          +3
          Quote: Alecsandr
          But nothing that most of the Dead Sea scrolls turned out to be fake.

          Not the majority, but only a few. Just those that the Americans smuggled to themselves. Someone cunning on this is good, probably hands warmed. laughing
          In general, even if they all turned out to be fakes - what does this mean for the history of Russia?
          Will you also blame historians for the fact that Veles book is fake?
          1. Alecsandr
            Alecsandr April 15 2020 17: 10 New
            0
            When you see how modern history is interpreted, one does not have to wonder how modern historians who have never lived in the era of the events they interpret are interpreting it. Sorry for the tautology.
            1. Trilobite Master
              Trilobite Master April 15 2020 18: 19 New
              +2
              Do you see how historians do it? Could you name a few names of these historians?
              You probably do not mean historians, but pseudo-historians, such as Suvorov-Rezun or something like that ... Read normal historians, for example, from the Second World War of the same Isaev. He is truly a historian, studying archives, memoirs, and on both sides. Actually for any period of history there are real professional professionals, although on the surface, as a rule, what usually floats on the surface.
              Most people who criticize the so-called. "official history", criticize it from the words of pseudo-historians (who lie as they breathe), they themselves do not know this story and do not want to know.
              So you mentioned Lomonosov. Did you read it? Have you read what nonsense he wrote on history? It’s just horror.
              Someone will tell you that the official story thinks so (some kind of nonsense), you believe that that's what it believes. This nonsense is refuted to you. Now for you the story is lying. And what is really really not interesting for you there. Very sorry.
              1. Alecsandr
                Alecsandr April 15 2020 19: 30 New
                +1
                Is it really not visible how modern history is being written? I showed the test tube - there is no country. I said about the chemical weapons - there is no country. The way of life is completely destroyed. The whole East is set on fire and ragged. This is the story that the winners write in the short term. And it is unknown -Maybe it is Pyrrhic victory and not the fact that retaliation will not come. Raising a sword -will die from a sword. A sowing wind will reap a storm. And in the textbooks it is already written that they were right to use force.
                1. Trilobite Master
                  Trilobite Master April 15 2020 19: 38 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Alecsandr
                  He showed a test tube - no country. He said about chemical weapons - no country

                  This is politics, not history. These people do not write history - they do it. Others will write. And first, we have one thing they have, the opposite, and only then, a hundred years later, when the passions burn out, and all participants in the events move to the cemetery - only then will the real story begin to be written - according to documents, archives, secret reports, accounting reports. .. An objective story.
                  1. Alecsandr
                    Alecsandr April 15 2020 20: 00 New
                    0
                    And where is the guarantee that they will not be again misled. There can be no objective history in principle. There will always be preferences in favor of one or another point of view. Well, history is preserved in the memory of people. And then only for one generation. And to individual historians who are real and they will truly try to write as it was in reality, they simply won’t give a go. Again officialdom will triumph. It has always been so. It’s good that now there is the Internet and you can dig yourself and examine all points of view. Although it’s difficult to separate the grains from the net now ate
                    1. Trilobite Master
                      Trilobite Master April 15 2020 20: 42 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Alecsandr
                      a guarantee that they will not be turned over again.

                      is that several points of view will be studied, on both sides, facts and interpretations both for and against on issues on which many copies will be broken in a hundred years and a lot of research will be written on behalf of all participants in the events ...
                      Quote: Alecsandr
                      Good story is remembered by people.

                      Very bad, very bad. In law enforcement agencies there is a saying "lying like an eyewitness." This is not a mockery, not a mockery, not a joke, but a statement of fact. The testimony of eyewitnesses, given sincerely, immediately after the incident, sometimes differs simply strikingly, up to the opposite. After a few days they differ even more, after a month - as much from each other as from the data given by the same witness initially.
                      The story of eyewitnesses is a subjective story.
                      Try to imagine that you write your own detailed autobiography, which your wife or girl, children (if any), parents, brothers, sisters will read ... You need not to offend anyone to show yourself in the best light ... How much truth will be in such work and how much will such an autobiography be like your real life?
                      So only a historian can write a real, objective biography, but not you yourself. smile It, of course, will be incomplete, but only it can be true.
                      Much depends on the objectivity of the researcher - yes. But the farther from us the events on the timeline, the higher this objectivity. Therefore, a hundred years minimum.
                      Quote: Alecsandr
                      historians who really and truly will try to write as they really were,

                      They are so many. Many people simply see and interpret historical events in different ways. There are, of course, opportunists, but they are not an overwhelming number and even, I think, not the majority. And none of the real historians will ever tell you that he knows how it was "in reality." They say how it COULD be. In certain cases, you can say exactly how it COULD NOT be. But to say how it WAS is impossible.
                      1. Alecsandr
                        Alecsandr April 15 2020 21: 53 New
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                        That's right. Subjectivism is present in everything, including in history. But it ends up becoming an immutable "truth" for everyone. Although it may be false. This is how the world works and people tend to make mistakes. And in general, when you start delving into some question inevitably passes into the field of philosophy and you begin to understand the saying; "Man is the measure of all things"
                        .
          2. Alecsandr
            Alecsandr April 15 2020 18: 18 New
            0
            Veles book is also in doubt. Too good a lie to be true
            1. Trilobite Master
              Trilobite Master April 15 2020 18: 24 New
              +2
              Veles book is an unequivocal, scientifically established and invariably refuted fake.
              It was written no later than the XNUMXth century, since it contains words that appeared only at that time. There are studies of linguists, there are studies of handwriting experts. You can ask.
              1. Alecsandr
                Alecsandr April 15 2020 18: 54 New
                0
                Such fakes in history are a great darkness. Moreover, fakes are being written right now before our eyes and in our modern history. And they will become a generally accepted history of our time. Although many will disagree with it. But whoever hears the voice of one crying in the desert
                1. Trilobite Master
                  Trilobite Master April 15 2020 19: 24 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Alecsandr
                  These fakes in history are great darkness.

                  Not that great darkness, but meet. Offhand - the protocols of Zion wise men, for example. There are more. Good video on this subject
                  In general, I can safely recommend this author and his channel. A lot of interesting and, in my personal opinion, useful.
                  Quote: Alecsandr
                  voice in the wilderness

                  This is precisely the voice of those very historians whom no one reads, but everyone criticizes from the words of all loud-voiced freaks.
                  1. Alecsandr
                    Alecsandr April 15 2020 20: 42 New
                    +1
                    Thank! Recognized video. I learned a lot of interesting and informative things for myself. There are still voices not broadcasting in the desert, but appealing to the mind and giving topics for reflection and reflection.
              2. Mihaylov
                Mihaylov April 15 2020 19: 18 New
                +2
                Quote: Trilobite Master
                It was written no later than the XNUMXth century.

                If I am not mistaken - the 20s of the XNUMXth century, white emigre art
                1. Trilobite Master
                  Trilobite Master April 15 2020 19: 43 New
                  +1
                  Not later...

                  Of course, I wanted to write "not earlier". I beg your pardon, glitched in my head. Yes, I remember the history of its discovery more or less, but I forgot the exact dating of the research. Something seems to me that somewhere the date of the end of the XNUMXth century was shining. Even the names of those who could write it were called.
                  1. Fat
                    Fat April 16 2020 02: 27 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Trilobite Master
                    The date of the end of the XNUMXth century shone Even the names were given to those who could write it.

                    Found a "collector" A. And Sulakadzev.
                    Library of Anna Yaroslavna 11th century)))
                    Prayer Book of Prince Vladimir .. ..
                    texts: “Anthem of Boyana”, “Broadcasting of Slavic priests”, “Forehead Adaml”, “Odotorepetnik”, “Opoved”. About air flying in Russia from the summer of 906 according to R. X. ”, which mentions the fictitious flight of the clerk Kryakutny in a balloon (in the original version -“ the baptized German Furzel ”, the correction on“ Kryakutnaya ”was made, apparently, by another falsifier ) - became the plot for the Soviet postage stamp.
                    Studies of literary scholars. L. P. Zhukovskaya, B. A. Rybakov and some others associated with Sulakadzev the history of the famous “Veles book”, the pseudo-Slavic language of which is quite reminiscent of “pagan” fakes of Sulakadzev; in addition, the book of Sulakadzev includes the priest’s works on beech boards of the XNUMXth century (which is close to the description of the publishers of the Veles book). Most of this information is from Wiki. I don’t really trust her, but there they check articles more often than I do my mailbox ....
              3. Astra wild
                Astra wild April 15 2020 20: 47 New
                0
                Mikhail "Trilobite", you are sure of this, but how do they think about it: Fomenko and his followers?
                1. Trilobite Master
                  Trilobite Master April 15 2020 20: 58 New
                  +2
                  At the expense of followers, I can’t say whether they think at all, they rather believe, and Fomenko, I am sure, KNOWS that this is a fake. Still, he is a scientist and has an idea of ​​the process of proving in science, he himself must have a scientific mindset - this is the same for mathematicians and for historians.
            2. Fat
              Fat April 15 2020 23: 51 New
              +2
              Quote: Alecsandr
              Veles book is also in doubt. Too good a lie to be true

              Smiled. And it is true and very convenient. Vlasov's book is not just a doubt, it is a complete "rubbish" ... An illiterate hand-made article and beautifully "killed" originals .... Vlesov's book raises no doubts - a myth.
              But in every joke there is a fraction of a joke ....
              Questions always remain, but the theory is based on these questions by fraudsters and adventurers.
        2. kalibr
          April 15 2020 21: 42 New
          +2
          Quote: Alecsandr
          But nothing that most Dead Sea scrolls are fake

          When you are taken for testicles on one, you do not need to change the topic and switch to another. The Dead Sea Scrolls are not related to the history of Russia and Miller's dissertation!
      2. Alecsandr
        Alecsandr April 15 2020 18: 39 New
        +3
        I didn’t want to offend anyone. But this is a discussion in which a more or less acceptable truth is born. Where more intelligent and knowledgeable people will teach less knowledgeable in a dialogue. They will show what to read and how to gain knowledge on certain issues. They will tell you the sources and not categorically reject them.
        1. Trilobite Master
          Trilobite Master April 15 2020 19: 29 New
          +2
          According to your first comment, I assumed that I had encountered another folk-historian-Judeophobe. IzToria is a clear allusion to the author's anti-Semitism. I am glad that the first impression was not confirmed during further communication.
          1. Fat
            Fat April 16 2020 00: 15 New
            +2
            Quote: Trilobite Master
            According to your first comment, I assumed that I had encountered another folk-historian-Judeophobe. IzToria is a clear allusion to the author's anti-Semitism. I am glad that the first impression was not confirmed during further communication.

            I respect you very much. But "from the Torah I am" This is newspeak from Inglists, Old Believers, Rodnovers ...
            He killed a lot of time on this remake until he looked at the sky ... There is no reliable 98-99%, 1% something. The rest is 20-25% astronomy and 4-5% reconstruction on finds
            There is a 70% fantasy flight, make hypotheses and get grants ....
            Do not take to heart .... I grumble ...
        2. kalibr
          April 15 2020 21: 42 New
          +1
          They prompted you!
  • Undecim
    Undecim April 15 2020 12: 08 New
    +6
    To begin with, people in Egypt appeared more than 40 thousand years ago
    The earliest tools of human labor found in Egypt belong to the Acheulean culture and are 600 years old.
    1. Alecsandr
      Alecsandr April 15 2020 16: 28 New
      0
      This may be true. But on the basis of the Dead Sea scrolls, many scientific publications and works have been done. Who then to believe.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim April 15 2020 16: 46 New
        +2
        How are Qumran manuscripts related to Acheulean culture? Explain your question?
        1. Alecsandr
          Alecsandr April 15 2020 17: 19 New
          0
          This is just a generalization. Each professor of history has his own opinion about a particular period of history. It is difficult to isolate the truth. Therefore, we are guided by the generally accepted theory of historical events. Many of which may be incorrect in principle.
    2. AllBiBek
      AllBiBek April 15 2020 17: 48 New
      +3
      So it’s clear that, depending on what is considered a person, right? And then I can even answer this remark of yours that in Taman, Crimea, and in the North Caucasus, people appeared twice as early as in Egypt. And fuck that erectus. In Egypt, and Ashel, by the way, are kind of like atcessors in general, and they are recognized as a dead end branch.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim April 15 2020 21: 38 New
        +1
        Let's decide what to consider a person.
        1. AllBiBek
          AllBiBek April 15 2020 21: 49 New
          +1
          So it always depends on the context.

          In the context of Ancient Egypt as a state with reference to the territory, these will be sapiens of our species.

          They are there on an ongoing basis - from the Upper Paleolithic, but I don’t recall the distinct cultures there.

          But when the Holocene began, conditions were created there, by which no sapiens would simply pass. But there were no other sapiens besides us at that moment, and if they had remained, they would very quickly have been completely rendered intoert.
          1. Undecim
            Undecim April 15 2020 21: 51 New
            +1
            Do you relate Neapertals to sapiens or to a separate species?
            1. AllBiBek
              AllBiBek April 15 2020 22: 01 New
              +3
              View. Not only in morphology (and the skeleton of a Neanderthal even without a skull even immediately distinguishes a layman from any race), field genetics says the same thing. A quarter of the hybrids are guaranteed to be sterile; this does not happen between races. Very closely related, but just the species. I swear by Drobyshevsky’s beard!
              1. Korsar4
                Korsar4 April 15 2020 22: 15 New
                +1
                Here you can argue endlessly - where to draw the border between species, starting with Buffon.
                1. AllBiBek
                  AllBiBek April 15 2020 22: 52 New
                  +2
                  I consider from a position of genetics, but it is simple; when part of the offspring is obviously barren - we are talking about different species.

                  By the way, part of the Central African populations when crossed with non-central African populations will give one or another percentage of sterile mestizos. So yes, we are different species, as with Neanderthals. At the very border of this phenomenon, but different.
                  1. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 April 15 2020 22: 57 New
                    +1
                    So you can come to the hypothesis of Professor Porshnev: about superanimal and suggestors among people.

                    And it’s not easy for pygmies to interbreed with other races.
                    1. AllBiBek
                      AllBiBek April 15 2020 23: 10 New
                      +2
                      Well, Porshnev’s hypothesis - it’s not only a hypothesis that remains, it’s also vulgar, but anthropological polycentrism was, is and will be. Debets, for example, at one time justified it to the level of theory, and this is not horseradish from the mountain, but the most seasoned Soviet anthropologist of the post-war years.

                      And from the current ones - well, Anatoly Panteleimonovich Derevianko, the very author of the discovery of the Denisovsky man. And his authority in the field is quite enough to grind their teeth on the sidelines and at conferences in his absence they announced his "delusions", but there is nothing to cover up. While.

                      As it appears - believe me, everyone will try to cover.

                      Actually, science is moving in this area.
              2. Undecim
                Undecim April 15 2020 22: 16 New
                +2
                Well, then the wording "more than 40 thousand years ago" is beyond doubt.
                The size of "more" everyone will determine to the extent of their erudition.
                1. AllBiBek
                  AllBiBek April 15 2020 23: 30 New
                  +2
                  Well, here it’s like a marker - if a person does not know what exactly 40 years ago was much more powerful interglacial period with all the accompanying processes, such as the extinction of megafauna and fever, both the boundaries of biocenoses and the internal distribution in them, than 000-8 thousand ago - then what should I talk about with him in this area? About the Hyperborean Civilization? Unless about herself.
              3. Fat
                Fat April 16 2020 02: 59 New
                +1
                Quote: AllBiBek
                View. Not only in morphology (and the skeleton of a Neanderthal even without a skull even immediately distinguishes a layman from any race), field genetics says the same thing. A quarter of the hybrids are guaranteed to be sterile; this does not happen between races. Very closely related, but just the species. I swear by Drobyshevsky’s beard!

                Swear forehead)))) There was a case
                I worked as a civilian in a military unit. Specialist. They gave the department of military builders, Caucasians basically ... Two builder soldiers fought. One another stuck an ax in the forehead. PE, ambulance, a sea of ​​blood and an ax in the wounded forehead .....
                Alive, they did an x-ray, and the victim has a frontal bone of almost 7 cm .... Kysmet knows ...
                Not atavism or an anomaly.
                The case was hushed up as an accident.
                But since then the suspicion that the d'Urak are lucky has grown stronger ...
                1. AllBiBek
                  AllBiBek April 16 2020 08: 03 New
                  +2
                  Caucasians.
                  Going to the mountains to live not from a good life, like the Arctic Circle. Descendants - adapt, and, in general, feel good.
                  Despite a number of inconveniences, such as meager genetic diversity (and where does he get it from?)
                  The output is the inevitable relatively closely related crosses at the cousin / second cousin level. As a result, the inevitable regression of the physiotype.
                  In the case of people, what to think about — decreases, what to devour — grows.
                  It decreases not only visually, in the same Caucasus I came across skulls with the thickest bone throughout the box, and they were not Neanderthals.
    3. Fat
      Fat April 16 2020 00: 25 New
      0
      Quote: Undecim
      To begin with, people in Egypt appeared more than 40 thousand years ago
      The earliest tools of human labor found in Egypt belong to the Acheulean culture and are 600 years old.

      Let's not talk about the Ashelians yet. We’re kopecks here with eyebrow fantasies scouring the current on the road ...
  • Undecim
    Undecim April 15 2020 12: 36 New
    +4
    But noble ladies wore long fluffy wigs, curled in curls of horsehair or sheep’s wool
    Horses appeared in Egypt not earlier than 1700 BC. Wigs of wealthy Egyptians were made from human hair, sometimes with the addition of date palm fiber.
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku April 15 2020 17: 53 New
      +2
      Horses appeared in Egypt not earlier than 1700 BC.

      Viktor Nikolaevich, and before that they had traction animals? hi
      1. Undecim
        Undecim April 15 2020 21: 45 New
        +2
        Donkeys, camels, probably bulls.
    2. Fat
      Fat April 16 2020 08: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: Undecim
      But noble ladies wore long fluffy wigs, curled in curls of horsehair or sheep’s wool
      Horses appeared in Egypt not earlier than 1700 BC. Wigs of wealthy Egyptians were made from human hair, sometimes with the addition of date palm fiber.

      And already tried to write the eulogies of the Egyptian oil palm ... The phone died ...
      Incense is as follows: Palm oil, solid, relatively, at a temperature of 33-39 ° C.
      Hotter - the body flows and cools. Then Oleg Vyacheslavovich is 100% right
      Maybe animal fats were rich and added .... For prestige and aroma, pleasant, but unexpected .....
  • Crimea26
    Crimea26 April 15 2020 13: 03 New
    +1
    Some kind of pathological hatred of the possibilities of their own hair))))
    1. Avior
      Avior April 15 2020 14: 39 New
      +2
      in the date palm and dead hair, lice did not start, maybe?
      and still shave smile
      1. AllBiBek
        AllBiBek April 15 2020 17: 52 New
        +4
        I’m not sure, but the clothes louse doesn’t even disdain much with wigs.

        But just shaving and plucking the hair of the whole nation - and on that mat.tech base it is very painful, there are either obsidian plates without grease, or egg yolk mixed with plant sap, and peeling off or plucking - that made sense.
    2. Avior
      Avior April 15 2020 14: 40 New
      +1
      in the date palm and dead hair, lice did not start, maybe?
      1. Ua3qhp
        Ua3qhp April 15 2020 14: 57 New
        +2
        Perhaps even hair features that are very difficult to rinse. And so he dusted the cloth with a cloth and forward.
        1. Avior
          Avior April 15 2020 15: 39 New
          +1
          or removed from his head yes in the Nile rinsed
  • Operator
    Operator April 15 2020 13: 15 New
    +2
    Quote: Alecsandr
    Everyone has their own story. And for Russians, everything is foggy and incomprehensible.

    For a simple reason - everyone has everything in the past (history is the same), for Russians - everything is in the future bully
    1. AllBiBek
      AllBiBek April 15 2020 18: 12 New
      +3
      Yes, you just compare the territory of the same Egypt and the same Russia. Or at least the geography of the formation of any major European ethnic group. Naturally, they will have a simple, unipolar, and a bit boring story that will fit into several volumes completely and completely.
      1. Operator
        Operator April 15 2020 19: 25 New
        0
        The Slovenian Principality with its center in Novogorod / Rus Land / Moscow Principality / Kingdom of Russia / Russian Empire / USSR / RF were not always in today's borders, which, as you know, do not end anywhere laughing
        1. AllBiBek
          AllBiBek April 15 2020 20: 15 New
          0
          And there is.

          They just asked this question in the early USSR, and having scratched it in Budenovkph, they figured out that anyone could argue for the title of the oldest state in the USSR, from Armenians from Urartu and Georgians with Colchis to Altai Turks of all stripes with their Turkic and other kaganate and , and Novgorod Russia is not even in the top ten applicants for this title there.

          The fact that the Russian people acted as state-building and on the basis of their own and vzaimovimnymi traditions of statehood - even then it was clear to everyone, but then it was necessary to somehow live it all here on Marxism-Leninism. Well, then we have what we have.
          1. Fat
            Fat April 16 2020 06: 27 New
            0
            Well, I never believe about the Soviet people under the constitution of 1936 .....
  • Dimka75
    Dimka75 April 15 2020 13: 29 New
    +2
    B. Brylska in the photo
    1. Fat
      Fat April 16 2020 06: 32 New
      0
      Sweetie, really.? She, and almost dressed as Eve .... Awesome girl!
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  • bubalik
    bubalik April 15 2020 17: 45 New
    +5
    ,,, decorations



    1. Astra wild
      Astra wild April 15 2020 20: 35 New
      +2
      Colleague bubalik, what is the dagger made of? ' Despite the millennia, it is in excellent condition
      1. bubalik
        bubalik April 15 2020 20: 53 New
        +4
        ,,, these are copies of the treasures of Tutankhamun.
      2. kalibr
        April 15 2020 21: 45 New
        +2
        Quote: Astra wild
        Colleague bubalik, what is the dagger made of? '

        In the original of gold!
        1. Astra wild
          Astra wild April 17 2020 17: 28 New
          +1
          Then it’s clear, otherwise I was surprised, because they came up with a stainless steel at the end of the 20th century?
  • BAI
    BAI April 15 2020 19: 50 New
    +1
    For some reason, it seemed to me that there would be a discussion of such drawings.
    1. BAI
      BAI April 15 2020 19: 51 New
      +1
      But you can talk about dancers.
  • Operator
    Operator April 15 2020 20: 20 New
    0
    Quote: AllBiBek
    we have what we have

    Over 82% of the nation-forming people are good for a start (George W. Bush won't let you lie).
    1. AllBiBek
      AllBiBek April 16 2020 00: 40 New
      +1
      Sorry, but where and when is this percentage? RI? THE USSR? RF?

      Such numbers are possible only if we consider the Russians and Ukrainians as one people (they are in the first two lines in the USSR and in the Russian Federation), but then all the Tatars fly from the third position, which, regardless of ethnic groups, are written in one line.
      1. Operator
        Operator April 16 2020 01: 05 New
        0
        According to censuses in the Russian Federation of 2002 and 2010.
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild April 15 2020 20: 31 New
    +1
    "many preferred to work in what their mother gave birth to" therefore, in the illustration in the Soviet textbook, the artist "dressed" them in skirts
  • Ua3qhp
    Ua3qhp April 15 2020 21: 04 New
    0
    Quote: Trilobite Master
    So only a historian can write a real, objective biography, but not you yourself. smile She, of course, will be incomplete, but only she can be true.

    Especially if this historian is on your content or on the content of your best enemy.
    You can learn a lot about yourself.
  • Brigadier
    Brigadier April 15 2020 21: 41 New
    0
    "An original way that the Egyptians sometimes protected themselves from overheating. They attached to their heads a small fat cone made of a special thick and aromatic composition. As it melted from the sun, fragrant streams flowed from his head, which pleasantly refreshed the body."

    I’m right and see how streams of fat flow on the head, pleasantly refreshing the body ... lol laughing wassat
    1. Fat
      Fat April 16 2020 04: 15 New
      0
      Quote: Brigadier
      I’m right and see how streams of fat flow on the head, pleasantly refreshing the body ...

      I understand this is strange. But the fat was really cool .....)))))
      How? Yes, simple. . .. The heat of fusion is worth mentioning ..... And no matter how you try to refute it. Your undertaking will begin with a 9 letter.
      I can give you a couple of varieties not of animal fat, which in the interval + 20 are higher solid liquid, but more vegetable. This is the so-called palm oil. Palm oil is the oil of the berries of that same hated palm. The first spin is red and more expensive than olive. Oink at all.
      Why? Yes, because it doesn’t like to burn even at 250 degrees ..... The second-pressed oil is somewhat worse ..
      . worse palm kernel oil is an excellent raw material for margarine.
      HA ... Such hated PALM oil comes from Ancient Egypt .... And used it for cool
      and just ate salads.
      Oil semi-solid melting point 33-39 °
      How, ganyangahe))))))))))))))))))))))
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild April 15 2020 21: 53 New
    +3
    Quote: Korsar4
    Yes at that time.

    And for compote, sugar is required. Dear.
    Therefore, usually, there was an uzvar - without sugar.

    In fact, the ancestors did well without sugar. If I'm not mistaken, industrial sugar is a real "baby" in the kitchen. And our ancestors found a substitute for sugar: in Russia they knew honey for a long time, sweet berries. And later, cane sugar
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 April 15 2020 22: 18 New
      +1
      Reed has long dominated the world. This Napoleon during the continental blockade in the German development of sugar from beets invested.
    2. AllBiBek
      AllBiBek April 15 2020 23: 17 New
      +3
      Uh-huh. Hence the proverbs that "I ate nothing sweeter than carrots", and "horseradish radish is not sweeter".

      Sweet as a synonym for goodies - disappeared from everyday speech throughout the world only in our generation.

      And honey has never been in abundance anywhere. Delicacy and delicacy.

      By the way, cane sugar was always exactly the same, even in the East, as a sweet, that is, not a budget item at all.

      And even when huge sugar cane plantations and sugar factories appeared, he remained in that role.
      1. Fat
        Fat April 16 2020 06: 50 New
        +2
        Thought and supported a remark. Where did the reed go? To rum! And they did not believe sugar from cane for a very long time .... Marketing. Even now, people are paying for brown sugar divorce ....
        The Uzbek sugar head from the refined cubes in the cubes in the chemical composition have differences except within the framework of Gost. But the head .... It's cool .... My grandmother kept it, but I just got to see it.
        1. AllBiBek
          AllBiBek April 16 2020 08: 15 New
          +2
          Well, you, they didn’t let sugar on rum in life (it was impractical at cost), they let molasses on it, and it is actually a waste of production.

          Sugar was put on a type of medicinal booze type of the same becherovka; a few heads were thrown into a barrel of alcohol, a bunch of grass and spices were dumped, and they waited several years until the sugar was completely dissolved.

          Toward the end of the 19th century, they stopped lying to themselves, and began to call it strong liquor.
      2. Fat
        Fat April 16 2020 06: 58 New
        +2
        Quote: AllBiBek
        when huge sugar cane plantations and sugar factories appeared - he remained in that role.

        When the small sugar plantations ran out, direct slavery in the Caribbean ended. Slaves became necessary for cotton ....
        ...., and another hundred years before .... Abe and the Civil War.
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild April 15 2020 22: 08 New
    +3
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, thank you very much for not forgetting your promise: to talk about how clothes changed.
    I will read and re-read this article tomorrow.
    If even the male audience liked it, there’s nothing to say about me
    1. Fat
      Fat April 16 2020 07: 29 New
      +2
      Astra +! Well, here you ran into ... For whom, one asks to clean shoes at all? Here the Egyptians did not let us down .....
      "So now sit and listen
      He did not wish her harm
      He didn’t want to bother her
      And thus deprive her of sleep .... "
      I think so. Oleg Vyacheslavovich as if with us in a trend ....
      1. Astra wild
        Astra wild April 17 2020 17: 03 New
        +2
        Colleague Tolstoy, so this whole cycle for me alone? Cool.
        I am a woman, and women are conceited. So can I order materials?
        Then you need to think about what to order, and you will help me in compiling the list
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild April 15 2020 22: 17 New
    +4
    In fact, the Egyptians dressed up funny: in the front there was an apron, and the priest was naked. And of course they did not know the toilet paper, but if the diarrhea and priest get smeared? In the yard +40 and the priest stained - instantly turn into a crust
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    2. Fat
      Fat April 16 2020 07: 56 New
      0
      Quote: Astra wild
      In fact, the Egyptians dressed up funny: in the front there was an apron, and the priest was naked. And of course they did not know the toilet paper, but if the diarrhea and priest get smeared? In the yard +40 and the priest stained - instantly turn into a crust

      And for whom do men actually clean their shoes?
      Here I think where the Egyptian foreman papyrus with drawings used when Pharaoh Snofru erected the last shelter ...
      It is not otherwise to wash to the Nile ... in a hurry .... And then fate ... And there is no Laperamid ...
      I did not look at Barbara Brylska ..
      1. AllBiBek
        AllBiBek April 16 2020 14: 23 New
        +2
        Completeness, what are you talking about?

        This documentation was put into the tomb of the superintendent who built the object, and they buried it not far from the pyramid he built.

        Google at least "Merer's scrolls", this is the chief accountant of the construction of the Cheops pyramid.

        The scrolls of the chief construction superintendent seemed to have found her three years ago, but he was not specifically interested in what was there and how. But - I saw their first translation, and even read it.

        Alas, he is in French, and I'm with him only through Google translate (.
        1. Fat
          Fat April 16 2020 14: 44 New
          0
          Snofru got a crooked pyramid. Rebuilt several times ... request
      2. Astra wild
        Astra wild April 17 2020 17: 19 New
        +1
        Major, Tolstoy. I’ll correct you: 1) the author of the cycle Vyacheslav Olegovich, not Oleg Vyacheslavovich, and if there is a new author the better. Let them compete. We will only win.
        2) Loperamide is a good remedy for diarrhea, but now there are other remedies. You can also folk remedies: a decoction of oak bark or fruits of Chokeberry
        1. Fat
          Fat April 19 2020 00: 50 New
          0
          [quote = Astra wild] Vyacheslav Olegovich, not Oleg Vyacheslavovich / quote]
          I apologize to Vyacheslav Olegovich. Flood seems. That's what self-isolation, life-giving does ... ((((
          1. kalibr
            April 24 2020 06: 57 New
            0
            Dear Andrey Borisovich! You can’t even imagine how often they cross me like that. Everyone ... my second friend. So what you mixed up is ... statistics. All the best!
  • Ua3qhp
    Ua3qhp April 16 2020 08: 25 New
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    Quote: Astra wild
    instantly turn into a crust

    Dry, fall off and no problem.
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild April 17 2020 17: 43 New
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    Quote: Trilobite Master
    At the expense of followers, I can’t say whether they think at all, they rather believe, and Fomenko, I am sure, KNOWS that this is a fake. Still, he is a scientist and has an idea of ​​the process of proving in science, he himself must have a scientific mindset - this is the same for mathematicians and for historians.

    In this case, he is an ash fraud, if not worse: he poisons the mind