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Three best modern tanks with automatic loaders

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The automatic loader, providing automatic loading of the gun, seems to be a necessary component of modern tank. But many tanks of Western (American, European) production are not equipped with them. Let's try to figure out which tanks with automatic loaders are the most popular at present.


AMX-56 Leclerc (France)


The French tank AMX-56 Leclerc is considered the most massive modern tank used in the ground forces of France. Its mass production began thirty years ago, in 1990.

Most of the tanks produced in Western countries do without an automatic loader. The gun is charged manually, which makes it necessary to have a loader in the carriage.

The difference between the French tank Leclerc and other tanks of the NATO countries lies precisely in the fact that it is equipped with an automatic gun loading system. Therefore, the crew of the AMX-56 tank totals not 4 people, but 3 people - the commander, gunner and driver. Automatic loader allowed to reduce by 7 tons relative to other tanks, the mass of armor. Accordingly, the mobility of the tank was increased.


The automatic loader itself is located in the rear of the tank tower in a special compartment. It is a conveyor belt that gives the gun a rate of fire of up to 10-12 rounds per minute, both from the spot and during the movement of the tank. The AZ conveyor is charged through the hatch in the aft wall of the tower, and the gunner can also carry out this procedure from the inside, replenishing the automatic loader from the ammunition depot located to the right of the tank driver. Since the automatic loader is separated from the commander and gunner, the crew is safer.

At the same time, the tank is equipped with modern electronics, allowing the crew to feel more comfortable. But this fact also explains the high cost of the Leclerc tank. That is why more than half of the tanks entered service with the French army, and only the United Arab Emirates with its oil super-profits were able to acquire the smaller part intended for export. Now Leclerc is considered one of the most expensive main battle tanks in the world, its cost is 9,3 million euros.

MBT-2000 / Al-Khalid (China-Pakistan)


China is believed to have learned how to make good military equipment. Evidence of this is the MBT-2000 / Al-Khalid tank, which began production in 1998. The strange name for China “Al-Khalid” is due to the fact that the tank was created for export for the army of Pakistan, and was named after the commander Khalid ibn Walid - an associate of the Prophet Muhammad.

When creating the tank, the experience of the Soviet tank-building school was used, which also affected the availability of a gun loading gun. Therefore, in the tank - 3 crew members. Gun caliber - 125 mm. Many components of the fire control system are French-made, so it is partly similar to the Leclerc tank fire control system.


Tank MBT-2000 / "Al-Khalid" is a pretty good car for a much lower price than the same "Leclerc" - one tank will cost $ 4,3 million. Now the tanks are in service with the ground forces of Pakistan (415 vehicles), Myanmar (150 vehicles), Morocco (150 vehicles), Bangladesh (44 vehicles), Sri Lanka (22 vehicles).

T-90 (Russia)


Russian experts call the T-90 tank the most successful tank of the 2100st century. Its production allowed Russia to confidently take the position of world leader in tank exports. Of the 90 T-1500 tanks of various modifications, more than 2,5 tanks were exported to other countries. This interest in the Russian combat vehicle is quite explainable - the tank combines excellent technical specifications with a very low cost (export modification starts at $ 4,3 million, the most modernized tank - $ 90 million). The main buyers of the T-XNUMX are India, Vietnam, Iraq, Egypt, which acquire hundreds of military vehicles.


The presence of a gun loader is one of the main advantages of the Russian tank against the background of most tanks that are in service with the armies of NATO countries. As noted above, the automatic loader allows you to reduce the crew of the car from 4 to 3 people, reduces the total mass of the tank and increases maneuverability.

At the same time, the gun loader was a serious obstacle to the use of long armor-piercing shells, which reduced the armor penetration of Russian ammunition. Therefore, in the modification of the T-90AM / MS, the shortcomings of previous models of Soviet-made tanks were overcome, in particular, a new gun loading automatic machine was installed, which made it possible to shoot longer shells.
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  1. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 3 2020 14: 27 New
    +9
    And how many of them with AZ? What would top 3 look like?
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins April 3 2020 14: 31 New
      +1
      So top for what? By success? By sales? By the number of countries that have adopted?
      1. svp67
        svp67 April 3 2020 15: 29 New
        11
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        So top for what?

        Well said, "for the best"))) And I do not agree with this rating. If we are to evaluate a tank by its performance characteristics, then the Korean K-2 "Black Panther" must be in the top three.
        1. Uncle Izya
          Uncle Izya April 3 2020 15: 33 New
          +2
          Well, if for the price then yes 8,5 million
          1. svp67
            svp67 April 3 2020 15: 45 New
            +3
            Quote: Uncle Izya
            Well, if for the price then yes 8,5 million

            Yeah, it remains to compare with this ...
            Now Leclerc is considered one of the most expensive main battle tanks in the world, its cost is 9,3 million euros.
      2. zenion
        zenion April 5 2020 13: 40 New
        0
        The reason is that it can be charged, even with a poker, even with bricks.
    2. Undecim
      Undecim April 3 2020 14: 45 New
      19
      And how many of them with AZ?
      Swedish old man Strv 103, Japanese Type 90 and Type 10, Chinese Type 98, Korean K2 Black Panther, French Leclerc, Chinese / Pakistani MB-Al-Khalid, all Soviet and Russian since T-64.
      It seems to be no more for today.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I April 3 2020 16: 02 New
        +9
        You can also take into account that the 140-mm tank guns developed by NATO do not involve manual loading. They, "if something happens", should be used with AZ ... Automatic loaders for 140-mm guns were developed in the USA and, in my opinion, in Great Britain ...
        There is no less interesting topic: AZ for SPGs! Automatic loaders have: "Coalition-SV", "MSTA-S", Swedish 155-mm self-propelled guns ... Yes ... there are also "mortar" self-propelled guns with automatic loaders ...
      2. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I April 3 2020 16: 44 New
        +4
        Quote: Undecim
        It seems to be no more for today.

        What about the AMX-13? If my memory serves me, then something like AZ was also installed there ...
        1. Undecim
          Undecim April 3 2020 17: 09 New
          +3
          As I understand it, the question was not about everything, but specifically about MBT. And so on the BMP-1 automatic loader was, but it did not become a tank from this.
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I April 3 2020 17: 25 New
            +2
            Quote: Undecim
            the question was not about everything, but specifically about MBT. And so on the BMP-1 automatic loader was,.

            1. Well, the MBT title was not indicated ... 2. Automatic loading on the BMP-1? belay negative
            1. Undecim
              Undecim April 3 2020 17: 41 New
              +6
              Automatic loader on the BMP-1?
              What surprised you so much? Which regiment did you serve?
              1. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I April 4 2020 01: 46 New
                +3
                I served in the missile brigade of the OTR ... BMP in our "state" was not at all ... repeat In the army with the BMP was indirectly "sign" ... I heard about manual loading on the BMP-1 ... that's why I was "surprised"! But what the internet says ...:The gun 2A28 “Thunder” uses a loading mechanism, due to this the technical rate of fire is 8-10 rounds / min (real 6-7 rounds / min). Loading mechanism semiautomatic with electromechanical drive and mechanized conveyor-type warhead. It provides storage, transportation and removal of shots to the issuing line. After the introduction of the BMP-1 ammunition fragmentation rounds OG-15V was the mechanism for supplying shots is excluded, since loading the OG-15V can only be done manually (!!!). Concerning loading with cumulative shots the PG-15V was also carried out manually (!!!)(Here you are, grandmother, and St. George’s Day! ...)
                1. Undecim
                  Undecim April 4 2020 08: 31 New
                  +4
                  Vladimir, we are serious people, and you are "telling me the Internet". There the "couch warriors" will tell a story ...
                  I served in a motorized rifle regiment on an infantry fighting vehicle. Here are the pages from my handbook "Infantry fighting vehicle BMP 1. Technical description and operating instructions" 1979.
                  1. Undecim
                    Undecim April 4 2020 08: 34 New
                    +3

                    And one more page.
                    So AZ with BMP -1 has not gone away.
                  2. Andrei Nikolaevich
                    Andrei Nikolaevich April 4 2020 11: 38 New
                    +1
                    And which of the presented, would our tankers choose? I would like to hear the opinion of practitioners, not "theorists from the Internet special forces" ...
              2. 76rtbr
                76rtbr April 4 2020 13: 22 New
                0
                so exactly, it was on "behe"!
            2. Saxahorse
              Saxahorse April 3 2020 22: 44 New
              +2
              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              Automatic loader on the BMP-1?

              Exactly! Moreover, the vertical laying of shells made the AZ one of the most vulnerable points of the BMP-1 (the second is a tank in the airborne compartment)
              1. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I April 4 2020 02: 24 New
                +2
                Quote: Saxahorse
                Automatic loader on the BMP-1?

                That's it!

                . After the introduction of part of the BMP-1 ammunition fragmentation rounds OG-15V, the mechanism for supplying shots was excluded, since loading the OG-15V can only be done manually(!!!) In this regard, the loading of cumulative shots PG-15V began to carry out also manually (!!!).
      3. Alf
        Alf April 4 2020 22: 26 New
        +3
        Quote: Undecim
        It seems to be no more for today.

        Why not ? Here is another one.

        Here is the autoloader in it.

        It is configured for voice control, it is perfectly repaired by a kick, cheap, very massive, at the exit of their system it is replaced instantly.laughing
    3. Observer2014
      Observer2014 April 4 2020 17: 04 New
      -4
      Quote: Zaurbek
      And how many of them with AZ? What would top 3 look like?

      laughing good And do not say !.
  2. Doccor18
    Doccor18 April 3 2020 14: 31 New
    +2
    T-90 is a very good tank, since 1992. Are there many of them in our army? India has 3 times more.
    1. Zabvo
      Zabvo April 3 2020 20: 39 New
      +1
      Why is he good? "Breakthrough-3" is more or less at the levels of world leaders, but if there will be an insufficient number in the army (if we look at the economic state of the Russian Federation today).
  3. Cowbra
    Cowbra April 3 2020 14: 33 New
    -3
    Tfu on you! Remember! Cutting-edge technology - it charges Negro Joe! Do you understand yours? Does the autoloader have stealth technology? Well, that's tfu at your feet, "atstalayavata"! laughing You need to be a stealth, a stealth. Do you see the automatic loader at abram? Nobody sees! What does it mean - stealth so stealth
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek April 3 2020 15: 59 New
      +3
      Advanced technology is one shot - one corpse .... how many people need shots to destroy 10 enemy tanks .... maybe 5-10-15-20 .....
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    3. Phantom 104
      Phantom 104 April 3 2020 16: 06 New
      -10
      As if the T-90 had a rate of fire of not more than 6-7 rounds per minute due to the old AZ, and according to the standards of 10+, Abrams would never be hurt by another pair of eyes
      1. Alexey Sommer
        Alexey Sommer April 3 2020 17: 31 New
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        Quote: Phantom 104
        and with Abrams, he’s 10 + on the battlefield

        Can I link?
        I could not find it myself, but I doubt it very much.
        Sip unitary ingots with a caliber of 120 mm at a speed of 6 sec / piece for at least one minute?) Is there something if I correctly think under 50 kg. To a limited extent. This is for a physical understanding of 0,5 tons per minute! Man! Let him even be a Negro !!!
        ps Dazhn no doubt, if you think about it. The lies are nonsense.
        Not ashamed?)
        1. MORDVIN13rus
          MORDVIN13rus April 3 2020 19: 44 New
          +8
          And if it’s still not moving along a smooth asphalt road, but along slopes and potholes, using the folds of the terrain, then in general beauty, God forbid, if you manage to throw 4 pcs without pinching yourself or not squealing about something.
          1. Alf
            Alf April 4 2020 22: 35 New
            +1
            Quote: MORDVIN13rus
            And if it’s still not moving along a smooth asphalt road, but along slopes and potholes, using the folds of the terrain, then in general beauty, God forbid, if you manage to throw 4 pcs without pinching yourself or not squealing about something.

            In due time, infa passed that the loaders in the course of a real battle quickly went out of order. There is only one reason - being inside a huge mechanism, the bottom of which moves in three planes, and the top-tower spins by itself, while it was also necessary not to fall under the moving breech and react to the shouts of the commander-Joe, which body, let's quickly. Psychological "mismatches" arose.
        2. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U April 4 2020 15: 53 New
          +3
          And this is not counting the fact that, according to the instructions, every time you need to roll back the armored door, not manually of course, otherwise the whole isolated combat unit of Abrams turns into a fiction.
      2. Alekseev
        Alekseev April 3 2020 19: 57 New
        10
        Quote: Phantom 104
        As if the T-90 firing rate does not exceed 6-7 rounds per minute due to the old AZ, and Abrams, according to the standards of 10 + on

        The rate of fire is not at all a practical rate of fire. And even a practical rate of fire does not at all mean, even approximately, the frequency of cannon shots during a battle.
        Truly speaking, after shooting a lot in my lifetime from a tank, a cloud of dust and gases formed after a shot, as a rule, will not give an opportunity to aim quickly again, as well as assess its effectiveness. 10 seconds is needed. And if you need new target designation, transfer, so to speak, fire, then more. In addition, in the case of AZ, the gunner himself "commands" with a button (lever) which projectile to charge, and in the case of a black loader, he must be given a command, he must understand it (communication via TPU sometimes malfunctions, especially if the negro is slightly shell-shocked laughing ), block the cannon (STV) and select a projectile from the ammunition shell, the location of the shells in which there are convenient and not very. to all this, too, especially on the go on not quite even terrain. expensive seconds go by.
        1. Alf
          Alf April 4 2020 22: 38 New
          +1
          Quote: Alekseev
          the location of the shells in which there are comfortable and not very.

          Especially when you consider that the shells in the installation are located through one nose and sleeve to the loader, and it’s difficult to turn around with a meter-long stub.
      3. Alf
        Alf April 4 2020 22: 31 New
        +3
        Quote: Phantom 104
        another pair of eyes will never hurt the battlefield

        Yeah, the Negro-loader has nothing more to do in battle, how to look around.
        Quote: Phantom 104
        it is according to the standards 10+

        Is it real? After two to three minutes of fire, the rate of loading decreases. And the machine does not care, as he threw six crowbars per minute, he throws it.
  4. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U April 3 2020 14: 39 New
    +5
    Well, then two and a half best tanks with AZ. laughing Something fatty pa-Chinese for a whole tank to consider, with his Soviet AZ.
  5. Free wind
    Free wind April 3 2020 14: 42 New
    0
    The Koreans have a "black panther", the Japanese have type-10, the Chinese have type-96 and type-99, in general, a lot. Their engines are pretty pretty in terms of power, 1500 horses each, except for type-96.
  6. Pavel57
    Pavel57 April 3 2020 14: 47 New
    -1
    Is Al-Khalid not a distant relative of the T-72?
    1. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB April 3 2020 15: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: Pavel57
      Is Al-Khalid not a distant relative of the T-72?

      Great-nephew.
      1. Alf
        Alf April 4 2020 22: 39 New
        +3
        Quote: AllXVahhaB
        Quote: Pavel57
        Is Al-Khalid not a distant relative of the T-72?

        Great-nephew.

        Let's just say illegitimate.
        1. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 April 5 2020 06: 07 New
          0
          Let's just say illegitimate ...... that is, a bystryuk ... but a tomboy is good
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek April 4 2020 17: 07 New
      0
      Rather, T64 ......, T72 a relative of T64
  7. Sailor
    Sailor April 3 2020 14: 55 New
    +1
    I would also add, Oplot and Japanese type 10, these are the tanks that could be included in the TOP, although I think K-2 too.
  8. Free wind
    Free wind April 3 2020 15: 12 New
    +1
    Leclerc began to produce since 1990, a lot of electronics, then a lot and new, 30 years have passed. Who now remembers computers of those years? Pentium, Pentium 2, I forgot what OSes were installed. Also on Leclerc electronics is an old lomie. At Leclerc and with the engine, it’s tricky, a diesel with a turbine that turns the gas turbine engine. Pretty unusual design.
    1. Undecim
      Undecim April 3 2020 17: 21 New
      +7
      Also on Leclerc electronics is an old lomie.
      Have you ever heard of such a thing as modernization?
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  10. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 3 2020 15: 44 New
    -1
    The French tank AMX-56 Leclerc is considered the most massive modern tank used in the ground forces of France.

    Something this phrase causes me doubts, are there really more of them than ours T-72?
    1. bk316
      bk316 April 3 2020 16: 03 New
      +1
      the French tank AMX-56 Leclerc is considered the most massive modern tank, used in the French army.

      Alle Yuri! And then the T-72 and we?
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 April 3 2020 16: 06 New
        0
        What is incomprehensible: the most massive Leclerc they have, the most massive T-72 with us. Now it only remains to compare the number of them and ours, and it turns out which tank is the most massive. hi
    2. polar fox
      polar fox April 3 2020 16: 08 New
      +2
      Quote: Ros 56
      Something this phrase causes me doubts, are there really more of them than ours T-72?

      so there France meant. Here they have more leklerk than all other tanks.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 April 3 2020 16: 19 New
        -2
        I would be surprised if the French had more German Leopards or Abrams, I am generally silent about ours.
    3. Free wind
      Free wind April 3 2020 16: 30 New
      0
      And what is incomprehensible here, it is said in France, where does it here, or the T-72 are in service with a foreign legion? They still have the AMX-30. It seems quite a bit Leopards to participate in joint operations.
    4. Alexey Sommer
      Alexey Sommer April 3 2020 17: 55 New
      0
      Quote: Ros 56
      the most massive modern tank used in the ground forces France.

      In France do not use t72
  11. Radikal
    Radikal April 3 2020 18: 08 New
    0
    Quote: Doccor18
    T-90 is a very good tank, since 1992. Are there many of them in our army? India has 3 times more.
    And you count:
    Of 2100 T-90 tanks of various modifications, more than 1500 tanks were exported to other countries.
  12. Saxahorse
    Saxahorse April 3 2020 22: 49 New
    0
    I came across infa that the speed of reloading AZ Leclerc is exactly two times faster than the recharge cycle of the T-90 (with sequential feeding). And this is not an accident, they say the French poked around in Soviet tanks for a long time. Consciously wanted to replay in rate of fire.
    1. Saxahorse
      Saxahorse April 3 2020 23: 14 New
      +4
      The work of the AZ tank T-72 (T-90 in girlhood)
    2. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 April 4 2020 00: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: Saxahorse
      say the French poked around in Soviet tanks for a long time. Consciously wanted to replay in rate of fire.

      I think that is not the point. The French tried to bring the time of the AZ cycle closer to the manual loading cycle from the place for the first shots (about 4-5 seconds), in order to equalize the chances in a duel situation. Leclerc technically can fire 15 shells per minute (AZ cycle for about 4 seconds)

      The T-72/90 has a slightly longer AZ cycle time (from 7 to 14 seconds, depending on the location of the desired type of projectile in the carousel)
    3. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I April 4 2020 04: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: Saxahorse
      I came across infa that the speed of reloading AZ Leclerc is exactly two times faster than the reload cycle of T-90

      First you need to find out: what kind of shot is the "leclerc" ... unitary or separate-sleeve! As far as we know, the 120mm SM-120-26 cannon uses unitary shots from the German 120mm "leperd" cannon! AZ of Russian tanks use separate cartridge-case loading (there were experiments with cartridge-case loading ...). Therefore, one can understand why the rate of fire of the "leclerc" can be higher!
      1. Undecim
        Undecim April 4 2020 08: 39 New
        +4
        First you need to find out: what kind of shot the "leclerc" has ... unitary or separate-sleeve!

        Shots seem to be visible.
  13. Grigory_45
    Grigory_45 April 4 2020 00: 01 New
    +4
    in the modification of the T-90AM / MS, the shortcomings of previous models of Soviet-made tanks were overcome installed a new automatic loader
    why does the author draw such a conclusion, where did the new AZ come from in the T-90AM ??? All the same roundabout for 22 shots under the combat compartment policeman
  14. Klingon
    Klingon April 4 2020 00: 23 New
    -1
    Quote: ZABVO
    Why is he good? "Breakthrough-3" is more or less at the levels of world leaders, but if there will be an insufficient number in the army (if we look at the economic state of the Russian Federation today).

    the problem of the T-90 and other Soviet / Russian tanks is separate loading. The same Leclerc uses unitary NATO ammunition, because of which his rate of fire is higher than the TC when separately charged, the machine must first deliver a projectile and then a charge. It’s not entirely clear that the decision of the Soviet conductors of the TC is burning Soviet tanks no worse, despite the fact that the charges are separate
    1. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 April 5 2020 06: 21 New
      -1
      Soviet tanks burn no worse, despite the fact that the charges are as if separate ............ Soviet tanks burn worse, and then in the case of ammunition shells in a carousel, the lecler’s tower niche where the conveyor has armor thickness 30 -40 mm ..... commercials from the PTRD can easily send 100% out of 100 leclerc to the scrap, but you can’t drive such garbage with the T-72, you need to tinker
      1. Klingon
        Klingon April 5 2020 12: 35 New
        +1
        so there still need to get into a niche. and missiles from anti-tank systems except darts and spikes fly exclusively in the forehead of the tower and in the VLD
        1. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 April 6 2020 07: 59 New
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          so it’s still necessary to get there ....... Duc PTRD it waxes 14.5-114 mm. to get into the niche of the tower of Western tanks will not be able only with sight -5. but at the expense of the ATGM, Cornet and the more ancient Bassoon, it’s easy to select which projection to peel in, but jovas and spikes just don’t have it, you should not lie
          1. Klingon
            Klingon April 6 2020 14: 04 New
            0
            Well, of course, if you drive him into narrow streets, you can at least set him on fire from a slingshot (I exaggerate of course), but from a distance I did not understand how you are going to aim from a gun into a stern niche if the barrel is looking at you ???
            1. Crimean partisan 1974
              Crimean partisan 1974 April 6 2020 17: 09 New
              0
              feed niche if the barrel is looking at you ??? .... and this is tyk say guerrilla reception. the tower is big. and we are small. 70 tons are still heavier than us. according to this, our movement is higher
              1. Klingon
                Klingon April 7 2020 12: 43 New
                0
                well, run with a gun, maybe even with a bow and arrows tankers fell one at a time when they come out to pee wassat
                1. Crimean partisan 1974
                  Crimean partisan 1974 April 7 2020 18: 37 New
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                  , run with a gun, maybe even with a bow and arrow ......... and what a laugh. Won Rambo in Khvilme as we soaked our Ilyushkins from their bows. the main thing is to lubricate the twist Schaub did not creak like in Charlie Sheen in "Hot Heads"
  15. Jack O'Neill
    Jack O'Neill April 4 2020 08: 17 New
    0
    Type10 where?
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  17. Tuzik
    Tuzik April 4 2020 17: 19 New
    0
    Tell me, where is Oplot inferior to the T-90?
    1. mister-red
      mister-red April 5 2020 21: 15 New
      0
      Quote: Tuzik
      Tell me, where is Oplot inferior to the T-90?

      How many Oplot tanks were released? Won in Russia, pieces of 10 experienced T-14 are running, and this is half of the number of Strongholds. But they are not in the review either.
    2. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 April 6 2020 08: 31 New
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      Tell me, in what way is the Oplot inferior to the T-90? .... at the Oplot the engine life is 400 hours. and if you don’t strain it, the auxiliary power unit on the port side is absolutely not covered by anything, the cruising range is not higher than 200 km, the 6TD power unit itself is made in one housing with a transmission — in short, complete .....
  18. lot
    lot April 5 2020 11: 56 New
    0
    damn well, like a passing article about anything. for schoolchildren. Well, the fir trees.
  19. Klingon
    Klingon April 6 2020 14: 07 New
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    Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
    so it’s still necessary to get there ....... Duc PTRD it waxes 14.5-114 mm. to get into the niche of the tower of Western tanks will not be able only with sight -5. but at the expense of the ATGM, Cornet and the more ancient Bassoon, it’s easy to select which projection to peel in, but jovas and spikes just don’t have it, you should not lie

    spikes as far as I remember have television guidance. darts stupidly dive from above. What did I lie? that the dart will not break the roof of the tower or MTO?