China's Coast Guard ship sank Vietnamese schooner off disputed islands

A Chinese patrol ship from the PLA Navy Coast Guard sank a Vietnamese schooner and detained two more in the area of ​​the disputed islands. This was reported by DPA, citing a Vietnamese official.

According to the official, the incident occurred in the region of the Xisha Islands (Paracel Islands), which are the subject of a territorial dispute between Vietnam and China. A Chinese patrol ship sunk a Vietnamese fishing schooner, detained eight fishermen, as well as two Vietnamese vessels trying to come to their aid. The incident occurred on Thursday morning, in the evening everyone was released.

For the first time this year, a Chinese ship sank a ship in our region

- said the representative of the administration of the province of Quang Ngai of Vietnam.

Recall that the Spratly archipelago and the Paracel Islands are the subject of controversy in several countries. Due to their strategic location and significant oil reserves, in addition to China and Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia and Brunei are claiming for them. To date, China has declared the islands its own and does not intend to give them to anyone, despite international pressure.

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[Finches]

The Chinese, with all due respect, it’s better not to mess with the Vietnamese ... Far from sin - they are not Americans, they can pile on!

[_Ugene_]

they can pile on!

how? no one will conduct a ground operation against them, and in the sea and in the air at Vietnam there is zero chance against China

[Finches]

I just said that the Chinese do not need to mess with the Vietnamese - there is zero or not zero! No need!

[Shurik70]

Vietnam is strong in guerrilla warfare on its land.
It’s better for the Vietnamese not to mess with the Chinese, but to amiably give up what China wants.
Then even some buns can get. Otherwise - nothing but deterioration with a neighbor (a very strong neighbor) and sunken ships - will not receive.
It’s a pity they didn’t say that with the sailors the sunken schooner. Drowned or detained. If they were detained, why should two ships go to the rescue?

[Finches]

Somehow I participated in joint exercises with the Chinese and you know what conclusion I made - they mentally still rely not on their technically increased capabilities and not on their military professionalism, but only on their number ... I did not see the core in them but self-conceit - like the Ukrainians!

[Mikhail3]

Somehow I watched a video of a Chinese gang's racketeering run over a Chinese entrepreneur. Not military operations, of course, but the video was curious (from the 90s). A whole gang breaks into the office, probably six people. Fiercely waving some sort of rods, some unidentifiable weapons, and even axes! Terrible fighters in attack!
After about ten seconds, you suddenly realize that they wave, but they don’t touch anything and do not hurt anyone. As in the cartoon - the world is shaking, the earth is shaking, but everyone and everyone is safe and sound. The movie ended with one person bursting into the frame and throwing an object at a formidable invader, such as a trash can or a small printer. And all the powerful warriors instantly evaporate!
Excellent fighting qualities ...

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Shurik70

It’s a pity they didn’t say that with the sailors the sunken schooner. Drowned or detained.

The incident occurred on Thursday morning, in the evening everyone was released.

The boat went to the bottom, people were caught, if it is said that "everyone was released." "All" - I hope "all", but not "all pulled out of the water" (someone might not have been pulled out). I think if people were drowned, the noise would be much louder.

[Sergey S.]

Quote: Shurik70

Vietnam is strong in guerrilla warfare on its land.
It’s better for the Vietnamese not to mess with the Chinese, but to amiably give up what China wants.

42 years ago, the Chinese tried to attack Vietnam ...
I was very young then ...
My wife and I are sitting in the lobby of the restaurant and listening to the whisper of two officers - a major and, I remember, a lieutenant colonel. We were very concerned about the need to help Vietnam.
But I remember one phrase for sure.
"If ... the Vietnamese reach Beijing faster than us."
Times, of course, have changed. But the Vietnamese are great fighters.

[for]

Quote: Sergey S.

42 years ago, the Chinese tried to attack Vietnam.

Maybe you mean 79 year? On our ship I remember the meeting was recorded volunteers.

[Sergey S.]

Quote: for

Maybe you mean 79 year? On our ship I remember the meeting was recorded volunteers.

Yes, of course ... sometimes memory fails.
Dashing times were ...

[cost]

It’s a pity they didn’t say that with the sailors the sunken schooner. Drowned or detained?

The Chinese Coast Guard has detained eight fishermen from a sunken schooner and two Vietnamese vessels trying to come to their aid. In the evening of the same day, all the detainees were released.
more details -https: //tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/8153035

[Blondy]

You probably forgot, or do not know how, in 1979, EMNIP, the Vietnamese cadets shattered 3 Chinese divisions that tried to invade Vietnam - a border conflict is called. Although, long ago it was ... and China was not the same, somewhere around a cup of rice per day (about 200 g) per Chinese.

[Egor53]

Then this war was called the First Socialist.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Blondy

You probably forgot, or do not know how, in 1979, EMNIP, the Vietnamese cadets shattered 3 Chinese divisions that were trying to invade Vietnam - a border conflict is called.

Well, firstly, not the cadets, but the border units and the militia of the SVR did not try, but invaded:

The Chinese quickly occupied the three northern provincesbut Vietnamese tactics implied a prolongation of hostilities and a transition to guerilla, which China would not have pulled. The first socialist, Third Indochinese or simply Border the war lasted exactly a month - The PRC has chosen to withdraw troops from the territory of its neighbor, having officially announced that they have completed their mission.

https://lenta.ru/articles/2016/08/15/complicated_relations/

long ago it was ... and China was not the same, somewhere around a cup of rice per day (about 200 g) per Chinese

And as the SRV was not that ....

After the Vietnamese left Cambodia in 1989, relations quickly recovered and returned to normal in November 1991. Of course, the key unifying factor for China and Vietnam is the similarity of political regimes. Despite the weakening role of ideological dogma, the two communist parties are very close and actually hold in their hands the most important areas of bilateral relations. Party relations today are the most effective channel of political communication. For the Vietnamese Communist Party, support for the CCP is of particular importance, as it gives it weight in the eyes of the citizens of Vietnam.Economic ties are even more important. China is Vietnam's largest trading partner (turnover of $ 66 billion). It accounts for 34 percent of all Vietnamese imports and 13 percent of exports. Especially strong are the positions of Chinese suppliers in engineering, textiles and electronics. Moreover, Chinese textile raw materials are vital for Vietnamese manufacturers to meet growing orders for the supply of clothing in the United States.

see there ...

[Blondy]

And the suburban units consisted mainly of cadets, EMNIP, two border schools sent for reinforcement.

[knn54]

China still captured the islands in 1974 as a result of a conflict with South Vietnam.
The Socialist Republic of Vietnam will also fail because the Philippines, Brunei and Taiwan are among the "willing".

[Fat]

Quote: knn54

China still captured the islands in 1974 as a result of a conflict with South Vietnam.
The Socialist Republic of Vietnam will also fail because the Philippines, Brunei and Taiwan are among the "willing".

Well, the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, I can still understand. Taiwan didn’t lie nearby ...
Brunei is such a monster that it is scary to think ... And it doesn’t really pretend ...
There is no permanent population on the Spratly Islands, nor are there any harbor ports. But as many as 4 airports. There is no oil and gas exploration area, only estimates and assumptions.
There is something, so military, on 45 islands from Vietnam, China, Malaysia, the Philippines and Taiwan.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Finches

I just said that the Chinese do not need to mess with the Vietnamese - there is zero or not zero! No need!

Where would your Vietnam be if not for the USSR and China

[Finches]

He is as mine as yours

[alexddd]

The Vietnamese showed themselves in the war with the United States. Not without our help, of course, but shown by soldiers. And the Chinese dare to ask where they showed themselves? Little Japan genocide China as she could. So really, Vietnam can punish China. And no one will stand up for China. You do not just have to talk about the number of weapons, ships, planes in China. It will not make any difference. Vietnamese warriors. Their United States napalm flooded with air.

[cormorant]

They also had no chance against the mattresses, who could then think how they would be washed there with blood. Think Vietnam and now no one will help. Any war with China will be fully supported.

[Doliva63]

Quote: cormorant

They also had no chance against the mattresses, who could then think how they would be washed there with blood. Think Vietnam and now no one will help. Any war with China will be fully supported.

Especially Americans

[Nosgoth]

And I have no respect for the Chinese. They throw us at any opportunity, while declaring partnership, stealing technology and copying it thereby creating competition for us in the arms market, they also write that our weapons are shit compared to theirs, and on disputed islands they behave no better than Americans , they also try to tear them off by force, although not only they are in this region (and the UN does not give them a decree, etc.) a typical brain lesion with Amer's pride. They are not friends to us, only temporary fellow travelers like Turkey at one time.

[Looking for]

The Vietnamese are not the same.

[Fat]

Quote: Seeker

The Vietnamese are not the same.

Please do not shout, and so everything is visible well. And your comparisons are not in the vein. Either you know little about Vietnam, or about Russia. I suspect a complex ignorance ....

[alexddd]

Remember Lermontov's "... Yes, there were people in our time, not that the current tribe, Heroes - not you! ..." Everyone always thinks that in "our time" there were heroes, but now so-so. And the people of warriors have always won, in any political system. Talent, as they say, you can't drink ...

[4ekist]

It's simple, who has a fist more, that’s right. It's time to figure it out.

[Nosgoth]

Those. did you come to the conclusion that the Americans are right?

Or do you have a double standard policy? In the same case (squeezing the territory, the wealth of the region): China is right, Americans are wrong ?!

[Overlock]

Quote: Finches

Away from sin - these are not Americans, they can pile on!

it if there will be help from the USSR. And without it, neither tudes nor syudas

[Blondy]

To us too - far away, far from all this.

[svp67]

Quote: Finches

Away from sin - these are not Americans, they can pile on!

Where there is doubt. Without the support of their "big brother", the Vietnamese can only "sell their lives at a higher price."

[venik]

Quote: Finches

The Chinese, with all due respect, it’s better not to mess with the Vietnamese ... Far from sin - they are not Americans, they can pile on!

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Evgeniy! Actually, the conflict between Vietnam and China was already there - in the spring of 1979! Then, despite the fierce resistance of the Vietnamese and heavy losses, the Chinese slowly but surely moved inland, capturing several fairly large cities in the north of Vietnam. There was even a threat to Hanoi! Then, suddenly, the Chinese stopped their offensive and began to withdraw their troops. Why did this happen? So it remains a secret "covered in darkness" ... However, as well as the reasons for the conflict ...
In those days, there were rumors that the USSR exerted strong pressure on the PRC (although officially we didn’t seem to interfere) .... But, who knows?
According to BOTH estimates, the parties lost approximately 20 thousand people. Although the data of the parties are very different. But this is natural!
And therefore, I would not argue that Vietnam "piles" on China (because there is nothing to do) .... Especially today. The forces are too WRONG!

[Finches]

I wrote about it a little lower!

[venik]

Quote: Finches

I wrote about it a little lower!

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Sorry! Didn't finish reading! I hurried ... I actually remember this conflict. Then I was already studying at the university and after 3 years I was "shone" by lieutenant pogos and boots (which actually happened), therefore I was tracking this conflict (according to the Soviet press, of course) .... So excuse me - I was in a hurry! In any case, there are at least TWO of us (who believe that not everything is so simple there)!

[Lara Croft]

Quote: venik

Then, suddenly, the Chinese stopped their offensive and began to withdraw their troops. Why did this happen? So it remains a secret "covered in darkness" ...

There is no secret ....
The USSR indirectly intervened in the matter.

fighting at sea in February 1979 was practically not conducted. The fact is that since the summer of 1978, ships of the Pacific Fleet of the USSR Navy have been in the South China and East China Seas. In the South China Sea was a squadron of 13 large warships. The Soviet Union also used the former American naval base Camran for the needs of its Navy.
At the end of February 1979, after the outbreak of hostilities, the Soviet squadron received serious reinforcements and consisted of 30 warships. In addition, in the region were Soviet diesel submarines, which arrived from the Far Eastern bases of the Pacific Fleet of the USSR Navy. Submarines created a protective cordon at the entrance to the Gulf of Tonkin, which prevented it from invading ships of other countries.
After the outbreak of war between China and Vietnam The Soviet Union and the USSR allies in the Warsaw Pact Organization began supplying Vietnam with arms, ammunition, and other strategically important cargoes. But in general, the USSR’s position turned out to be much more “herbivorous” than the Chinese leaders had expected. The units and formations of the Soviet Army and Navy, deployed in the Far East and Transbaikalia, were put on full alert, but this did not go further than this and the declarative condemnation of Chinese aggression by the USSR Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

https://topwar.ru/154118-strannaja-vojna-kak-kitaj-napal-na-vetnam.html
The PRC apparently decided, out of sin, not to unnerve its Northern neighbor ... whose arms (as indeed the Russian Federation now) are like a fool's candy wrappers ...
The article also indicates the causes of the conflict, the invasion of the SRV army in Combodia, where there was a pro-Chinese regime and dispossession of wealthy Chinese in the territory of the former South Vietnam ...

[venik]

Quote: Lara Croft

There is no secret .... The USSR indirectly intervened in the matter.

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Yes! I wrote about this. In those days, despite a certain lack of information (compared with the current times), such rumors circulated. And about the activation of the Pacific Fleet - there was also information ....
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Quote: Lara Croft

The article also indicates the causes of the conflict, the invasion of the SRV army in Combodia, where there was a pro-Chinese regime and dispossession of wealthy Chinese in the territory of the former South Vietnam ...

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Much later, other versions appeared: including. that "comrade" Mao decided once again the USSR "to try it by the teeth", but did not dare to direct border conflicts (like Damansky) ...
Although to me the version about "Vietnam's interference in Cambodian affairs and" pressing down "the Chinese diaspora" seems more realistic: it somehow painfully coincided in time!

[Crimean partisan 1974]

In those days, there were rumors that the USSR had strong pressure on the PRC (although we did not seem to intervene officially) ...... after the Daman conflict, the USSR increased aid to Vietnam through the CMEA and, well, other military supplies. Well, in response, the Maozedunians in Afghanistan have pretty bad

[Kosh]

Well, for that matter, so far it is the Chinese at the Vietnamese who have piled on the sea twice already over the past half century. At first, in 1974, during the naval battle at precisely these Paracel Islands, they defeated the fleet of the then-existing South Vietnam and occupied the disputed islands, which have since been controlled. And then in 1988, Chinese frigates shot Vietnamese landing ships during the battle in the Spratly archipelago.

[Yang yangov]

nobody canceled the right of the strong .. and it is undeniable. (from the history of mankind)

[Joseph Stalin 75]

And therefore, the percentage of anti-Chinese sentiment is high among all of China's neighbors. The consequences of arrogant politics.
They say that Russia has no friends except the army and navy, but China does not have close friends like Belarus and Kazakhstan, despite the presence of large Chinese communities in Malaysia, Indonesia, Australia, Singapore, etc. Many more people feel good about Russia in the near abroad, and not only Russians, which is encouraging. The only thing that happened badly with Ukraine, one could play better, much better

[Doccor18]

China has always toughly defended its interests.
I remember how I served in the border guard, so the authorities several times did not give the go-ahead to the inspection of foreign ships that had slightly crossed the permissible line in order to avoid incidents ...

[rotmistr60]

Have not fought for a long time? In total, it has been 1979 years since February 41. Disputed territories are often the cause of military conflicts.

[Zeev Zeev]

A second socialist war awaits us?

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

A second socialist war awaits us?

May this cup pass us by.

[Thrifty]

Zeevzeev -YOU ??? Israel and socialism are incompatible concepts, ask the same "professor" !!!

[cost]

The professor is now busy - he is preparing a solemn report on the birthday of V.I. Lenin for the anniversary party meeting

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Thrifty

Zeevzeev -YOU ??? Israel and socialism are incompatible concepts, ask the same "professor" !!!

Just by the foundation of the country and years until the mid-70s, Israel was a state with a predominant public sector in the economy, hypertrophied workers' rights, greater social equality than in the USSR. They finally got rid of this only at the beginning of the XNUMXs, and the country became one of the most developed countries on the planet in terms of basic indicators - life expectancy, income and access to quality education for the broad masses of the population.

[Zeev Zeev]

Us - viewers

[sabakina]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

A second socialist war awaits us?

Tell pzhl about the first. And then in the kindergarten somehow sparingly lit ...

[Zeev Zeev]

Sino-Vietnamese war (Chinese уп 越 自卫 反击 战 п, pinyin: duì yuè zìwèi fǎnjī zhàn - “pre-emptive defensive war against Vietnam”; Vietnamese. Chiến tranh biên giới Việt-Trung) - armed conflict between Vietnam and China in February - March 1979. Sometimes called the first war in history between socialist states (by analogy with the "first imperialist" - the "first socialist").

[Operator]

The Vietnamese (who mentally turned out to be women of easy virtue) should not be pressed childishly until they finish their tricks with the USA

[Joseph Stalin 75]

This is real politics, Vietnam has no choice. Russia does not pull on the role of a global player, and China behaves very, very badly towards all its neighbors

[cost]

You should at least change your nickname, otherwise I’ve set you + - purely with a fright

[Sergej1972]

The most interesting thing is that at the same time, the official press of the two countries mainly positively covers the situation among neighbors. And calls not to exaggerate the significance of territorial differences. The PRC has no territorial disagreements with the DPRK, but the tonality of coverage of events in North Korea by the PRC official media is much more critical.

[Thrifty]

It is high time for the Vietnamese to cooperate with Taiwan, Malaysia, Singapore, Burma, and collectively "make friends" against the Chinese, jointly lagging behind their national interests in the region.

[Sergej1972]

The main population of Singapore is ethnic Chinese. Taiwan is not recognized by Vietnam, it supports the "one China" policy. In fact, none of the countries you have listed recognizes Taiwan. And Taiwan itself, whose authorities consider themselves the legitimate government of all of China, on behalf of all of China, makes much greater territorial claims to its neighbors than the PRC.

[Kosh]

It is very difficult to cooperate there when their interests diverge. For example, Taiwan, as the Republic of China, claims to be the same Paracel Islands and the Spratly archipelago, and in Spratly they really control the largest island and hold troops there.

[Ros 56]

This is how ours should be done against Russophobia, including Ukrainians.

[Ugolek]

History teaches - if you want to weigh a strong opponent rivals, and a little strength is not enough - pack a pack. South Korea, Japan, Vietnam together can well heap on the Chinese.

[Ros 56]

And with what kind of pimples the Japanese and Koreans will climb there, do they need it?

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Ugolek

South Korea Japan Vietnam together may well heap on the Chinese.

Away from home? After WWII, the South Koreans will quickly cling to the throat of the Japanese than the Chinese ...
And the Vietnamese relatively recently received from the PLA, after which they lost control of the o-mi ...

[Fat]

Quote: Lara Croft

the Vietnamese relatively recently received from the PLA, after which they lost control of o-mi ...

For purely educational purposes ...
What was it? Without any ratings.
It’s just very interesting.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Ros 56

This is how ours should be done against Russophobia, including Ukrainians.

When in the first "Maidan" Ukraine lost Fr. Serpentine (the first Maidan, the first territorial loss, the island is almost deserted, but in its closest waters at the bottom, a lot of useful things are stored) in favor of Romania in Arbitration (without coming to it), our (RF) did not even say a word, but then Ukraine was not yet Bendery ...

[Lara Croft]

To date, China has declared the islands its own and does not intend to give them to anyone, despite international pressure.

A concession to the "international community" will not relieve the PRC of international pressure ... in the person of the Empireists ...

[Fat]

You joked, admit ...

[malyvalv]

The Americans were upset. Such an opportune moment to "help" Vietnam is so bad luck. All Aviks in Guam have parked and there is nothing to help.
And the Chinese seem to clearly know what they are doing. Like when you can and when you can’t.

[Ugolek]

And with what kind of pimples the Japanese and Koreans will climb there, do they need it?

It is necessary, for it will transmit them like a boa constrictor of rabbits, after the inevitable weakening of the USA.

[Ugolek]

Away from home? After WWII, the South Koreans will quickly cling to the throat of the Japanese than the Chinese ...
And the Vietnamese relatively recently received from the PLA, after which they lost control of the o-mi ...

So you don’t know the strategy of the Three States? One is growing stronger - two former enemies are uniting.

[Saxahorse]

And how did he sink her (the schooner)? With all due respect, not a single gun was found on this handsome man. If I am not mistaken type "Hai Jing 2401"

[Kosh]

Rammed, as a result of the schooner sank.

[Al Asad]

The Russian coast guard would often need to do the same for Japanese fishermen in the Far East