1948 Kalashnikov self-loading carbine: a little-known example of Soviet weapons

The legacy of Mikhail Timofeevich Kalashnikov includes many samples of small arms weapons. Some of them have gained world fame, while others have remained experienced, and almost nothing is known about them to this day.

One of the inventions of the famous Soviet designer, which remained in the shadow of the legendary AK-47, was a rare example of a weapon - a Kalashnikov self-loading carbine of 1948.

History this carbine is little known. This weapon is mentioned in the book “AK-47: weapon-legend”, published by E.M. Kalashnikova, daughter of Mikhail Timofeevich.

Arriving at the factory and setting up serial production of a Kalashnikov assault rifle, Mikhail Timofeevich recalled that he worked on a self-loading carbine. The idea of ​​creating such weapons was also interesting to him. As a result, he entreated the chief engineer to be allowed to make several more samples of another weapon in the process of working on the machine, the idea of ​​creating which he had in his head. Among such weapons was a self-loading carbine.

Unfortunately, this weapon remained on the periphery of history, although, from the point of view of constructive perfection, at one time it surpassed the S.G.Simonov rifle, already ready at that time.

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[mat-vey]

"
although, from the point of view of constructive perfection, at one time it surpassed the SG Simonov carbine, already ready at that time. "
Why such confidence?

[Insurgent]

Quote: mat-vey

"
although, from the point of view of constructive perfection, at one time it surpassed the SG Simonov carbine, already ready at that time. "
Why such confidence?

I can not say anything about the Kalashnikov carbine in terms of this characteristic, because I even hear about this for the first time ...
But, SKS, in the American "body kit" with a detachable store, and optics, in the hands to hold and shoot a little bit. There was one, the sniper "Seven" ...

SCS - the device is very very accurate...

[mat-vey]

Quote: Insurgent

I can not say anything about the Kalashnikov carbine in terms of this characteristic, because I even hear about this for the first time ...

But I didn’t ... Kalashnikov was a participant in the competition together with Simonov and left him himself. The shutter and the SCS shutter group are much more constructively and in production than the shutter and shutter group of MT Kalashnikov. It’s another thing that this is already starting in the machine affect reliability, then the whole world finally came to the decision that the butterfly valve itself.

[Uncle lee]

He worked for several years in a St. John's wort flotilla, SKS was the main weapon of hunting! I still treat him with undisguised sympathy!

[Insurgent]

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He worked for several years in a St. John's wort flotilla, SKS was the main weapon of hunting! I still treat him with undisguised sympathy!

I will especially mentionthat in some units of the militia of the DPR in 2014, before the mass appearance of AKs, SCS was quite widespread. And the memory of himself as a weapon left a good ...

But, I must note, there are some "jokes" in the SCS that arise when careless attitude towards him.
If, for example, after cleaning and lubricating the carbine, do not remove excess oil, then in the cold, due to thickening thereof, after single tap on the trigger, SKS sometimes "turns into a machine gun", and "gives out" one burst of all the cartridges in the clip ...

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Insurgent

one turn

This was observed, and with a large wear of weapons ....

[Insurgent]

Quote from Uncle Lee

This was observed, and with a large wear of weapons ....

Well, in general, it is rare for us to get / get from the weapon "from the novya" ...

We are not the DRV, and the Russian Federation is not the USSR ...

And the trophy ... Until the 18th century, the Ukropskiy AK-74 with a bent barrel, extracted from under a concrete slab at Donetsk airport, was in use.

[Uncle lee]

In "St. John's wort" SKS replaced Mosinka. And how many years the SCS has been in operation, I don't even know ...

[Bear52]

There is such a thing ... Transbaikalia, for -40C, the queue for the shooting range from the SCS.

[Ingvar 72]

Yesterday I watched the film "Kalashnikov". A good film about Mikhail Trofimovich. I did not know that he had other prototypes of weapons before the AK-47.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Just also finished yesterday (at one time there was not enough time) viewing this film. The movie was well shot, but, in my opinion, it was possible to make an extended version, in which other samples would be mentioned.

[svp67]

Quote: Ingvar 72

A good film about Mikhail Trofimovich.

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Well filmed movie,

I agree ... catchy movie

Quote: Ingvar 72

I did not know that before the AK-47 he had other prototypes of weapons.

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

The movie was well shot, but, in my opinion, it was possible to make an extended version, in which other samples would be mentioned.

And there were a lot of these samples, and I think that it was possible to slightly tighten up the episodes with the same GBist in time, but to tell, and most importantly, to show the story as "through thorns, to the stars", MTK went to its machine. It was necessary to show in the film several samples of weapons. This is, of course, "ShturmGever-44" by Schmeiser, it is naive to think that MKT did not get acquainted with this weapon, AS-44 Sudaev, by the way I liked very much that the authors did not forget to show the relationship of these two gunsmiths and of course it was necessary to tell how it was successful AK-46, turned, in violation of the rules of the competition, (it could have been removed from it) into AK-47. After all, he risked very much and this risk was in no way comparable with the same shooting at the factory, although this episode could become even more understandable and tense ...

[mat-vey]

Quote: svp67

like its not very successful AK-46, turned into a contest violation

How could the only barrel that complied with the competition rules violate the "competition rules"?

Quote: svp67

This is, of course, "ShturmGever-44" by Schmeiser, it is naive to think that MKT

Kalashnikov "got acquainted" with the MKb-42 (W), which was before the appearance of the StG-44 in its "final" form.
Something after your retelling gives the impression that Buslov piled another cranberry ...
You would be better at least to read Malimon.

[svp67]

Quote: mat-vey

How could the only barrel that complied with the competition rules violate the "competition rules"?

But like this. According to the rules of the competition in the 47th year, for further testing, machines with eliminated, identified shortcomings should have been submitted. That is, brought the same as in the competition of the 46th year. Kalashnikov provided, not modified, but a new machine gun. Like this...

[mat-vey]

Quote: svp67

According to the rules of the competition in the 47th year, for further testing, machines with eliminated, identified shortcomings should have been submitted.

Can you provide these "rules"? In those creation tasks there was an item about reloading with an attached store, and the only example that performed this was the AK-46 ..

[svp67]

Quote: mat-vey

Can you provide these "rules"?

The history of these competitions has already been described more than once. If you want to understand, then hammer in the search engine about the history of competitions of 46 and 47 years ...

Mikhail Timofeevich himself recalled it this way: “... Sasha Zaitsev and I secretly had a daring idea from the management: masking ourselves with modifications, to make a complete overhaul of the entire machine ... One thing was worrying: are we able to meet the deadline for finalizing one model?”

[mat-vey]

Quote: svp67

The history of these competitions has already been described more than once. If you want to understand, then hammer in the search engine about the history of competitions of 46 and 47 years ..

Once again, read Malimon. He was a GAI NIPSO tester at this and other small arms competitions.
PySy M.T. Kalashnikov was also a tester at the NIPSO training ground for around 3 months, followed by transfer to design engineers with a master mentor Sudaev ... they had working tables in Shchurovo in one office ..

[svp67]

Quote: mat-vey

Once again, read Malimon. He was a GAI NIPSO tester at this and other small arms competitions.

I read thanks, and on the account of MKb-42 (W). His scheme is certainly interesting, but if it had an impact on Kalashnikov’s work, then directly ...

And I would not mind that it was shown, And then, everyone knows about the external similarity of "SturmGever" and "Kalash", but few people remember about this weapon. But then it would not hurt to show the SKK-44 (self-loading Kalashnikov carbine - 44)

[mat-vey]

You have not MKb-42 (W) but MKb-42 (H) in the photo - completely different animals from One Vaiter, and the Second Henel.

[svp67]

Quote: mat-vey

completely different animals One Vater

This one?

[mat-vey]

He is ...
SKK-44 was just a participant in the contest where he won the SCS and it was, as you might guess in 1944 ....
And the AK-46 was also not one option.
Mikhail Timofeevich withdrew from the competition, but apparently did not stop working on his first "serious" barrel.

[provergatel]

ABOUT! And I’m straight and sad.

An article about Mikhail Timofeevich Kalashnikov, where, albeit in passing, the AK-47 is mentioned, and there is no schmeiserosrach in the comments! How so ?!

But no! Have a darling

[d ^ Amir]

BEFORE THE WAR, Mikhail Timofeevich invented a motor hour meter for tanks, but for some reason the authors of the film wanted to especially emphasize his lack of education

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: d ^ Amir

emphasize his lack of education

Well, he really was not. 7 classes.

[mat-vey]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Well, he really was not. 7 classes.

At that time it was easier to name who it was than to list those who worked on natural talent.
Shpagin and Degtyarev had even less.

[mat-vey]

Quote: d ^ Amir

BEFORE WAR Mikhail Timofeevich invented a motor hour meter for tanks

I somehow wanted to attach a photo of this counter, so the site did not give.

[serge siberian]

In the 90s, I also read about the counter, the PP and the machine gun Kalashnikov. About the carbine only now. The great master however.