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China responds to US allegations of hiding epidemic data

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Beijing has responded to the United States with allegations of concealing the true extent of the new type of coronavirus epidemic. Recall that the American intelligence made such a charge against China, the "secret" letter of which was reported to the White House by the media.


Official Beijing, commenting on the accusations against it, said that the United States was demonstrating "an attempt to put political interests above human interests, even above human life itself."

The Chinese Embassy in the United States noted that China is providing all the necessary data on the situation with the new type of coronavirus to international organizations, including the World Health Organization.

In China:

We keep statistics absolutely transparent, including data on the number of deaths. This is our responsible work. Unfortunately, the widespread irresponsible slander cannot hide the incompetence of individuals.

For reference: today the number of people infected worldwide has exceeded one million people. In the USA this number is about 246 thousand, in China - 83 thousand. At the same time, the mortality rate in the USA is 2,48, in the PRC - 4,03. Against this background, the mortality rate for the new coronavirus in Italy is much higher; it exceeded 12%.
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  1. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 April 3 2020 06: 51 New
    +5
    Official Beijing, commenting on the accusations against it, said that the United States was demonstrating "an attempt to put political interests above human interests, even above human life itself."

    "Political interests". Yes schazzz! Selfish through and through:
    Arizona Republican Senator Martha Maxally believes that
    Beijing, which is responsible for the pandemic, "should at least forgive the US for its debts to China."

    https://www.interfax.ru/amp/702315
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid April 3 2020 07: 08 New
      +7
      Quote: Vasyan1971
      .....
      Arizona Republican Senator Martha Maxally believes that
      Beijing, which is responsible for the pandemic, "should at least forgive the US for its debts to China."
      https://www.interfax.ru/amp/702315
      Well yes! Not only to forgive past debts, but also to irrevocably give? And further. And further....
      1. Shurik70
        Shurik70 April 3 2020 08: 06 New
        +9
        The constant practice of the USA is to blame others for what they do themselves.
        This means that the scale of the epidemic in the United States is even worse than officially.
        the mortality rate in the USA is 2,48, in the PRC - 4,03. in Italy exceeded 12%.

        Excellent, accurate, digital, measure of the level of medicine
        1. swzero
          swzero April 3 2020 09: 23 New
          +3
          Rather confusion with the diagnosis. If the states check everyone in a row. That is mainly with us only if you have arrived from abroad, have been in contact with potential carriers, or you already have a severe form. My child was sick with SARS two weeks ago - high fever, cough, all as expected. From the diagnostic tools of the coronovirus, only a question from the doctor and whether they traveled abroad and did not contact those who traveled? That’s the whole diagnosis. Especially in the United States the epidemic has just begun - let's see what happens in a month with mortality.
  2. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 3 2020 07: 00 New
    +4
    disseminated irresponsible slander cannot hide the incompetence of individuals
    Especially if this is done maliciously. Today, only these officials themselves do not know about the incompetence of American officials. And the attempts of the Americans to transfer the arrows from their sins to China are not surprising - the long-tested style of work of the Americans.
  3. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx April 3 2020 07: 05 New
    +6
    Well, it begins ... China, for once, has raised its voice to its main market.

    ..
    The peak of the epidemic, which the liberal democratic media so inflated around the world, is projected to be in early May, with its full decline by mid-June. So, we will see many more interesting things during this time. And after that, there will be a long trail of consequences that give rise to other actions that will produce yet another long-term consequences. The scale of what is happening reminds me of 1991, when not only the Soviet Union, but the entire world socialist system collapsed.
    1. Avior
      Avior April 3 2020 07: 45 New
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      . forecasted at the beginning of May, with its full decline by mid-June

      They write that the virus quickly dies at a temperature of about 30 degrees, when it gets warmer, it will decline.
      That's all and try to buy time before warming
      1. Al_lexx
        Al_lexx April 3 2020 15: 41 New
        +2
        Not in this case. The period that I wrote about is just the average lifetime of a virus, after which it mutates so that it becomes not dangerous for the human body. A virus is a parasite that cannot reproduce without a carrier. This means that it is not profitable for him to kill him. Therefore, any "new" virus mutates quickly enough to the point where the body begins to transfer it painlessly and without harm to itself. This is just about four-five months. And the saber virus first appeared at the end of last year. It was first seen at the end of November 2029.
        Temperature is a matter of his life outside the host. And the value of 30 degrees is 100% fake. Our body temperature is even higher. Most viruses die at temperatures of about 40 degrees and above, which is the reason that the infected organism raises its temperature to such values ​​for immunity. The more extensive and "unfamiliar" the infection, the higher the body temperature.
        1. Avior
          Avior April 3 2020 18: 39 New
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          I think it depends on humidity
          1. Al_lexx
            Al_lexx April 4 2020 00: 34 New
            +1
            No. Does not depend. smile
            The virus is not a bacterium. By itself, the virus is not alive. This is just a parasitic, self-propagating genetic code. He does not live outside the carrier. From the word - at all.
            1. Avior
              Avior April 4 2020 20: 43 New
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              And how is it then transmitted not through direct contact?
              If I sneezed on the door handle, and you took it after a while, and then dig deeper into the nose, will you get sick?
              1. Al_lexx
                Al_lexx April 5 2020 23: 07 New
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                Well .. you can not breathe under water for a while. That's the virus. Outside the carrier, he lives for about three to four hours.
                1. Avior
                  Avior April 5 2020 23: 24 New
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                  So the question arises - how external factors influence this time
                  1. Al_lexx
                    Al_lexx April 6 2020 02: 50 New
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                    There is one external factor. The sun will warm and kapets this virus. Elevated temperature + ultraviolet. About other natural factors that I can influence here, I do not know. In the southern regions, things will go faster. The north is slower. But sweetheart, by mid-June, the virus mutates to a harmless form. Well .. maximum mild cough and runny nose, if there are no other chronic pathologies. In fact, this is a common ARVI. Just a new form with which our body is not familiar, and therefore reacts sharply. And the same banal flu, in some cases, gives exactly the same complications. At the same time, the percentage of deaths, if we take all the known forms of influenza, is much higher than from this infectious infection.
      2. PavelT
        PavelT April 4 2020 16: 18 New
        +1
        No, it doesn’t die from +30 C. The story of 27 degrees arose in the "reports from the Wuhan Hospital" of a fictional young resuscitator. This is a successful internet hoax, alas!

        In the human body +36.6 C, with fever and up to +39 C - this coronavirus does not care about this temperature. He is from the bats initially, and they warm up in flight to +40 C - so for millions of years of life inside these flyers, the virus is quite used to easily survive such temperatures. Official data of doctors and microbiologists: it seems that he begins to die at a temperature of MORE +40 C, but can withstand it for hours, a temperature of +56 C and higher, destroys it within 30 minutes. Well, +60 C destroys it in 10-20 minutes. It is clear that a temperature of +90 C and faster can be destroyed.

        Also, the virus is destroyed by ultraviolet - more than the sun to us! It can be destroyed very quickly and effectively: either ultraviolet with a wavelength of 254 nm UV, or 200-220 nm - Far-UVC far more dangerous for the eyes (https://habr.com/en/post/493582/ - the amount of energy, required to destroy 99% of the viral particles, estimated at about 20 J / m2. With a power of, say, 5 W / m2, the system will take 4 seconds)

        And an alcohol solution of 75% and higher (details here: https://habr.com/en/post/486164/).
  4. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky April 3 2020 07: 25 New
    +7
    It's just that mattresses cannot survive the fact that, having tried on the skullcap of the world decision maker and positioning themselves as a role model, in all respects they lose to another, ideologically "wrong" system and world attention switches to the PRC. The mattresses in general were shitty.
  5. Uncle Izya
    Uncle Izya April 3 2020 07: 31 New
    -12
    China - 83 thousand
    Suspiciously little probably hide, perhaps in the laboratories of China created this virus
  6. Baloo
    Baloo April 3 2020 07: 41 New
    +7
    China ..., FSHA ... why not Israel? Isn't the office of the "world government" there, isn't it their crown? winked
  7. Avior
    Avior April 3 2020 07: 48 New
    -4
    I wonder if China allowed third-party experts to Wuhan who could independently confirm their data?
    WHO, for example, or specialists from other countries?
    Or is it just their words and data?
    Something is not audible for someone to say such
    1. Faron
      Faron April 3 2020 08: 12 New
      +4
      At the first stage, WHO received information from the National Health Commission.
      Then, 25 international experts from WHO went to Wuhan https://yandex.ru/turbo?text=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.forbes.ru%2Fforbeslife%2F394253-voz-napravila-v-kitay-25-mezhdunarodnyh-ekspertov -osnovnye-vyvody-i-novye-fakty-ob
      1. Avior
        Avior April 3 2020 08: 13 New
        -2
        Not enough for millions.
        I wonder what they say about the data?
        1. Faron
          Faron April 3 2020 09: 22 New
          +1
          I do not have such information, I did not seek it purposefully. But if we assume that certain measures were introduced and the Chinese treated them with understanding, we read showed the highest discipline and endurance, then the data may be quite close to reality ..
        2. mole
          mole April 3 2020 09: 27 New
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          "Not enough for millions."
          Read "China Inside Out". A man lives in China, is married to a Chinese woman, talks about their life. He clearly described their self-isolation regime. And after reading, compare with ours.
          I have no reason not to believe.
          1. Avior
            Avior April 3 2020 09: 33 New
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            I know that the mentality of the Chinese is different. I'm not talking about that.
            I see that the Chinese are accused of hiding information, and I want to understand why the Chinese do not directly refer to outsiders in response
            1. mole
              mole April 3 2020 09: 36 New
              +1
              Why should the Chinese humble themselves. THEY SAID, so it is. The Chinese were not caught in massive lies, at least under the current Chapter.
        3. Liam
          Liam April 3 2020 13: 11 New
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          They do not say anything about the data. The WHO is based on official statistics of countries and is not involved in its own calculations.
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid April 3 2020 08: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: Avior
      It is interesting, but did China allow third-party specialists to Wuhan who could independently confirm their data? .... WHO, for example, or specialists from other countries? .....

      Allowed, did not allow? Who cares?
      WHO, which is receiving enormous funding, is only making disappointing forecasts.
      1. Avior
        Avior April 3 2020 08: 33 New
        -3
        The Americans in January proposed to send their experts to Wuhan
        China initially refused, but allowed on January 16th.
        Others obviously also suggested, including Russia.
        Why is it that China does not refer to these people, or is it simply not heard from us?
        1. Aleks2048
          Aleks2048 April 3 2020 08: 57 New
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          The Americans in January proposed to send their experts to Wuhan
          China initially refused, but allowed on January 16th.

          Why should China or another country let everyone in? So that later they talked about let's say China is the same as now about the United States, which accepted aid from Russia? In the spirit of the fact that the United States is so unable to cope that it is ready to accept help from anyone ... they almost walk around the world with outstretched hands?
          1. Avior
            Avior April 3 2020 09: 09 New
            -3
            I am not saying that China should, that should not
            I see that China is accused of hiding information, and in the answer of China I do not see that they referred to extraneous experts who were there.
            So I want to understand why?
            1. Aleks2048
              Aleks2048 April 3 2020 09: 32 New
              +2
              So I want to understand why?

              What for? Who, in his defense of absurd arguments, cites the words of outside observers. Let the world learn to trust the answers of those it asks. The United States itself, even with evidence of its words, does not bother. And it is right. It's just that we in Russia are used to the principle of what will they say about us?
  8. Thrifty
    Thrifty April 3 2020 07: 50 New
    -9
    It is a rare case when I agree with the Yankees - the Chinese withhold some of the facts about the sick! Somehow they suddenly went fantastically well! All at once recovered, new sick units ALL OVER CHINA? ??? This crap is Chinese! To close ONE province, moreover, to close it tightly, hundreds of thousands of soldiers are needed. And then there was no information about the transfer of such a large number of Chinese military forces to Yuhan! Moreover, supplying so many people is still a problem! So, the matter is in the economy, it sagged a lot, so the Chinese are lying to the whole world about a complete victory over the epidemic! Only one thing, but when they were asked to name and give those "miraculous" preparations that "win" the coronavirus, or at least to enumerate them beyond indistinct mumbling about "complex therapy" information was not given!
    1. Dreamboat
      Dreamboat April 3 2020 08: 11 New
      +5
      You simply don't know the concepts of "efficiency" and "professionalism". China has not been a wild country for a long time, but the first state in the world in everything except "democracy" (demogogy) and military aggression. Even in medicine, China turned out to be higher than Europe and Gigemon.
    2. Servisinzhener
      Servisinzhener April 3 2020 08: 55 New
      +1
      It seems that you did not have access to information sources throughout the first quarter of 2020. Their epidemic began at the end of December 2019. And the number of patients grew as exponentially as in other countries. Having reached a peak in February and going down to the current time to isolated cases.
    3. Aleks2048
      Aleks2048 April 3 2020 09: 01 New
      +2
      To close ONE province, especially, to close it tightly need hundreds of thousands of soldiers.

      It is not necessary if in the population the brain was previously washed normally it could be the best way. Internal walls for a person are always more insurmountable than any external ones.
  9. Dart
    Dart April 3 2020 09: 21 New
    0
    these notes are analogous to our "secret" orders of the Ministry of Defense, which are full of social networks ... the worldwide trend of fakecomets.
  10. KJIETyc
    KJIETyc April 3 2020 12: 52 New
    0
    Quote: Avior
    I am not saying that China should, that should not
    I see that China is accused of hiding information, and in the answer of China I do not see that they referred to extraneous experts who were there.
    So I want to understand why?

    I accuse you, soft troll, of hiding information on my mental retardation. Where are your outside observers? "independent" Prove now that you are not an ass fool How do you like it, elon mask? Do you have the presumption of innocence?
  11. Operator
    Operator April 3 2020 13: 28 New
    -1
    Director of the US federal agency CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) Robert Redfield, speaking on a committee of the House of Representatives of the U.S. Congress, confirmed the discovery of many pneumonia patients with an unknown pathogen in the United States from June to September 2019.

    In September 2019, the U.S. Army sports team participated in the World War Games in the Chinese city of Wuhan.

    Russian military biologist and chemist Igor Nikulin, a member of the UN Commission on Chemical and Biological Weapons (1998-2003), said that a new coronavirus would be created in 2015 by scientists at the University of North Carolina by order of a US government agency supposedly to study the possibility of using synthetic viruses to fight cancer. Many scientists in the United States and other countries have called such research criminal.

    Synthetic coronavirus was created by genetic engineering (in the form of the so-called chimera) by combining RNA of the human atypical pneumonia SARS coronavirus and the protein coat of the bat coronavirus SHC014. A genomically modified virus called SARS-CoV2. It is such a virus that caused a real pandemic.

    Two Chinese scientists from the Wuhan Academic Institute participated in the development -
    Xing-Yi Ge and Zhengli-Li Shi, Key Laboratory of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, Chin. A US patent was obtained on the synthetic coronavirus genome, the results of the work are described in an article in the British journal Nature for November 2015
    https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985

    PS The US Army is the second time a source of the spread of the viral pandemic - the first time in 1918, when a Spaniard (N1H1 flu) appeared among American recruits in a training camp in Colorado, which the recruits brought to Europe and further across all countries with a death toll of 55 million . person.
    1. Blondy
      Blondy April 3 2020 18: 36 New
      0
      Well, all this is very muddy. Here, for example, Latynina from Echo of Moscow claims (with references to biologists) that at the present level, chimeras are constructed from pieces of genomes taken in their entirety, and covid19 mutations passed in bulk in one letter of the genetic alphabet, which indicates the natural nature of these mutations. This is on the one hand - and on the other hand - on the territory of the American consulate in Wuhan, they found some containers or packages with a biohazard symbol, which, if desired, can be regarded as a hint (just) of conspiracy theory, but also include all kinds of visits US military, and not so, to Wuhan.
  12. NF68
    NF68 April 3 2020 18: 22 New
    0
    The Chinese had to turn to Sergei Shnurov for help. He would very clearly explain the opinion of the Chinese government on this matter.