Moscow imposed fines for violation of self-isolation and quarantine

In Moscow, administrative responsibility for violation of the regime of self-isolation and quarantine is introduced, the corresponding law was signed by Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin. The document is published on the official portal of the mayor and the government of the capital, it entered into force from the moment of signing.

According to the new law, Muscovites will be fined 4 thousand rubles for violating the self-isolation regime, and for five thousand rubles for repeated violation. If a city dweller has violated quarantine and is moving in transport, then the fine will amount to 5 thousand rubles, and the vehicle will be withheld.

Penalties are also provided for officials (up to 50 thousand rubles) and legal entities (from 200 thousand to 500 thousand rubles).

On the eve of the Moscow City Duma deputies adopted a law establishing administrative responsibility for citizens who are required to comply with the regime of self-isolation at home or in a hospital.

In ensuring the regime of self-isolation, public order policing points will be involved. Formed brigades will patrol a certain assigned territory.

Meanwhile, Moscow may follow the example of Moscow. A meeting of the Moscow regional Duma is scheduled for April 3, at which a bill on the introduction of fines for violating the self-isolation regime will be considered. The meeting may be held remotely.

Comments

[NEXUS]

This does not stop human idiocy.

[Evil543]

There are no passes, but there are already fines.

[Vend]

Work passes must be issued

[Ingvar 72]

What job? I’m an unofficial person, but now I’ve found out that self-isolation for another month (!) extended. What should I feed my children if, following the example of Moscow, fines will be introduced ????

[Vadim237]

You are a draft - you should have reserves for such crises.

[Ingvar 72]

I already wrote to you that I work end-to-end. Or not to you, the point is not important. There are no stocks. Mom has ducks in the freezer. But you have to get there. Nichrome is no longer a joke.

[mitroha]

Passes were introduced from April 2, and we received all the IP in the administration on April 1. But before that, I had to gag a couple of hot lines and then hammer all the information into the administration officials, since they themselves were not in the know. All day the administrations crush was noble. Then the officials came to their senses and rescheduled for April 4. For they themselves do not have time.
Salaries to employees of course issued. But a month without work, give the rent, give taxes. Someone is not having fun.
On the other hand, if it helps our loved ones survive, to hell with them with money, business. We’ll have a chat

[Round Smesharik]

Quote: Ingvar 72

What job? I'm an unofficial

Neo-official doesn’t have any stash ...?

Quote: Ingvar 72

What should I feed my children if, following the example of Moscow, fines will be introduced ????

To get a job officially and there are no problems .. Won in Moscow heaps of work (migrants are massively taken out and run away)
Can Ingvar help? Wipers are needed, masks are allocated and vests are used.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Round smesharik

Neo-official doesn’t have any stash ...?

I have three young children, a mortgage and child support for another child. You won’t save much fat. The work is not constant, from order to order, the last payments have already been consumed.

Quote: Round smesharik

Can Ingvar help? Wipers are needed, masks are allocated and second-hand vests are used.

Laughter laughter, but as if fit did not have to go outstretched. Or take a pitchfork.

[Vadim02rus]

I have three young children, a mortgage and child support for another child. You won’t save much fat. The work is not constant, from order to order, the last payments have already been consumed.

There is a slight inconsistency. No one would give you a mortgage.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Vadim02rus

There is a slight inconsistency. No one would give you a mortgage.

I could lie to you that the mortgage was taken during official employment, but lying is not in my habit.
You have never taken a secured loan, this is noticeable. The same Sberbank gives a mortgage on the reference form of the bank. It is enough to indicate fake data there. Car loans are just as easy. Only upon receipt of a consumer loan (cash) is the bank more corrosive.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Ingvar 72

It is enough to indicate fake data there.

And sooner or later you have to pay for cheating. The result, as they say, on the face

[Dangerous]

How funny, Smesharik! Let’s say people realized themselves, opened their own business. production or services or sale, it doesn’t matter. With your mind and capabilities. And you advise you to go to the janitors, moreover, you advise with mockery and mockery. Normal people don’t do that.

[76rtbr]

Yes there are those, like the Latvians themselves, x yes soul !!

[yang174]

Yes, no b ... housing (with furniture, washing, refrigerator, TV, and cheb no more than 2 people in a room), business trip 600 rubles. and s \ n from 60k rubles and canesh officially

[Vend]

Quote: Ingvar 72

What job? I’m an unofficial person, but now I’ve found out that self-isolation for another month (!) extended. What should I feed my children if, following the example of Moscow, fines will be introduced ????

Contact the hotline or local authorities

[Grits]

Quote: Ingvar 72

I'm an unofficial

Do you think this should be proud of? Or is it necessary to demand compensation?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Gritsa

Do you think this should be proud of? Or is it necessary to demand compensation?

No, I'm just asking what should I do. If banned as in Moscow to go out.

[alexmach]

No, I'm just asking what should I do. If banned as in Moscow to go out.

1. hope for the best. You are still not in Moscow. Perhaps in small cities the issue will not be so acute. Here we can go out .. but we have only 400 thousand of the population. Well + there are still some more there in the suburbs.
2. If it is banned as in Moscow, then even if you still have the opportunity to leave, it may turn out that there simply will not be work, well, if all or almost all of them will be at home.
3. Have a financial pillow for a rainy day, if you have a loan, you are advised to have one for which you can live for 6 months and pay a minimum loan
4. To ask the Bank for deferred payments due to coronovirus
5. Well, and as an option on the sly to work bypassing posts.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: alexmach

Well, and as an option on the sly to work bypassing posts.

This is the main option.

[yang174]

I quietly ride the minibus for 55 minutes .... it feels like the people have become scanty with their heads to the edge. even though I was reading a book at the institute, at the time of the release of the book 99g, in Russia 48% had mental disabilities of different shapes, but every psychiatrist also knows as a philosopher. although ..

[Aag]

We have many places where you can work officially?

[Titus]

And what to bow to the comrade that create such conditions. I’m also self-employed and situevina is similar ... I don’t know what to do. As I understand it, everything is fine with you and you won’t be able to comprehend our situation .. If I’m interested, I can tell you why I’m self-employed ... I’m afraid this is not interesting to you, but the point is that there are a lot of us and in fact we have ... forks .. .What should we do if we have children and no money?

[boss]

why not proud? I am ashamed to be an official and rob my people, but a self-employed person.
and yes, they should give a vacation on mortgages and loan payments, and not care about poor mortgages.
at least guaranteed income for minor children to provide.
read what billions steal in the banking sector, and power plugs holes in people's money.
funded pension stolen?
stolen from the people.
and now even 4-5 thousand for the movement of a fine city authorities of Moscow introduced.
despite the fact that they do not have such powers to limit constitutional rights.
but everyone is silent.

[NKT]

In a specific case, the state should support small and medium-sized businesses, and not just by cutting taxes, but by completely abolishing them, for two or three months, and compensating, for example, to pay the same rent if the company does not work. But it’s easier for “us” to inject money into VTB and Rosneft, and not into small and medium-sized businesses.

[private person]

I’m an unofficial person, and now I’ve learned that self-isolation has been extended for another month (!). What should I feed my children if, following the example of Moscow, fines will be introduced?

In this and the joke is now strangled all the unofficial. Unofficial means you do not pay taxes. If you do not pay taxes, then smoke bamboo. But seriously, it's not even funny how people pay mortgages, loans and just what to live for. Yes, and if the employer will pay 100% officially paid to the employers, certainly no one will pay the bonus, and for many this is more than a salary.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: private person

Yes, and if the employer will pay 100% officially paid to the employers, certainly no one will pay the bonus, and for many this is more than a salary.

So, if the employee "did not give coal to the country," why would he receive a bonus? Take in any poorhouse the Regulation on bonuses (mandatory document), you will not see anywhere there that people. a person sitting at home can be awarded (unless, of course, he is a homeworker) .... the bonus is an incentive measure, but why pay it to you if you have been in quarantine all the time and / or observed self-isolation ... show me such an employer, with pleasure I'll get a job with him ...

[Crimean partisan 1974]

.show me such an employer, I’ll be happy to get a job with him ........ get a job at the Ministry of Emergencies, everything is fine, but there’s a time delay ... of the two evils, choose the smallest

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

settle in the Ministry of Emergencies, everything is fine there, but there’s an irregularity in time ... of the two evils, how to get warm, choose the lesser

Do you want to say that is listed in the Ministry of Emergencies and at the same time get sick, will you be paid a bonus? why on earth? in state almshouses, too, there is a provision on bonuses and remuneration, and only on the basis of its bonus and can give ...

[Crimean partisan 1974]

want to say that you are listed in the Ministry of Emergency Situations and at the same time be sick, will you be paid a bonus? ....... how will they pay ... but I just answered your question "show me such an employer, I will be happy to work with him." ... did I cheat?

[boss]

private person, do not worry, despite the fact that you are an "unofficial", but in fact a self-employed citizen, you pay a lot of taxes, believe me.
In Russia, not direct, but indirect taxation prevails.
By the way, you yourself can approximately calculate how much you pay per month.
for example, in fuel about 65%, these are taxes.
at least 20% of your total spending, this is VAT.
+ excise taxes included in the price
+ patents, state services, various permissions, etc., etc.
Believe me, you are VERY WELL SPONSORING THE STATE.

[private person]

do not worry, despite the fact that you are "unofficial"

I just work officially, and even now I do not have a weekend I have a schedule. Enterprise continuous cycle all payments saved.

[Altona]

Quote: Ingvar 72

What should I feed my children if, following the example of Moscow, fines will be introduced ????

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The President said "the main thing is to preserve the health and income of citizens." What kind of citizens was not specified.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Altona

The President said "the main thing is to preserve the health and income of citizens." Which citizens, not specified.

You are wrong .... periodicals, chtoli do not read or do not listen to the news ...?

About 63 thousand pensioners tried to travel to the Moscow metro using social cards blocked the day before on March 26, the press service of the capital’s transport department said in the Telegram channel.
Earlier, due to the coronavirus, by decree of Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin, free travel in transport for schoolchildren, students, and older people over 14 was canceled until April 65. Older people are required to observe home treatment from March 26 and go out only if absolutely necessary.

https://ria.ru/20200326/1569176769.html
And you say swimming, the water is cold ...

[zadorin1974]

The Votkinsk plant who needed to take home passes. We were transferred to Tchaikovsky’s watszapu (to get to work), I work outside the city, they sent me.

[Cananecat]

The fact of the matter is that, as such, documents for the movement have not yet been made. They are only in development. And a number of enterprises nevertheless continue to work. Like for example a mailbox near me. Every day a full house in two parking lots at the checkpoint.

[Round Smesharik]

Quote: Evil543

There are no passes, but there are already fines.

But not figs on the swamp to snoop .. I would have them in the veogue of Vogony and in the tundra (to develop the territory))) There they will immediately recover ..!

[st25310]

Forks will soon become scarce, along with masks.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Mobius

And the budget will replenish ...

Of course ... instead of saving small and medium-sized businesses in the country, so that after the budget is replenished, the authorities decided to take exactions from the population. On the one hand, the decision is right about fines, and on the other, when did the Russian prohibitions stop, especially if under the shaf?

[Evil543]

I live in Moscow, an office in the suburbs, people sent on vacation, I need to go every day to control equipment and materials, and how do I do this?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Evil543

I live in Moscow, an office in the suburbs, people sent on vacation, I need to go every day to control equipment and materials, and how do I do this?

This question is being asked by the sex of Russia ... what gender is Russia, half of the world.

[Keyser soze]

Yes, what is the half of Russia, half of the world.

And we have the same northern animal. 8 people died, 1 person died of peritonitis, because a personal doctor treated by phone because of the virus. About 100 thousand were left without work. No one knows how much is on a paid vacation. Two weeks quarantine.

The decline in GDP is expected at 12%. Arrived.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Keyser Soze

And we have the same northern animal.

The northern animal will come a bit later. While he only friendlyly waves us paws. Today's difficulties and problems are still the flowers of what awaits us after.

[Keyser soze]

The northern animal will come a bit later.

Dame The crisis will be like in 1929.

[PSih2097]

Quote: Evil543

I live in Moscow, an office in the suburbs, people sent on vacation, I need to go every day to control equipment and materials, and how do I do this?

the same crap, only in Smolensk ... Although they have found a loophole right now - a certificate from work ... They will bring - I will scan - I will throw it off ...

[raw174]

Quote: Evil543

I live in Moscow, an office in the suburbs, people sent on vacation, I need to go every day to control equipment and materials, and how do I do this?

It seems that those who work need a certificate ... We have no restrictions in the Chelyabinsk region, there are recommendations, although there are a lot of rumors about blocking roads in the network and among the people! Lies to lies ...

[New Year day]

Quote: raw174

although there are a lot of rumors about blocking roads in the network and among the people!

why? At the entrance to Sevastopol, block-posts were put
At the entrance to Sevastopol unfold uninvited guests of the capital
https://sevastopol.su/news/na-vezde-v-sevastopol-razvorachivayut-neproshenyh-stolichnyh-gostey

[Alex Justice]

In China you can move around

[New Year day]

Quote: Evil543

and how do i do this?

get help like me and then pass

[Evil543]

Yes, I’ll print a certificate for myself, no problem, only then I need to submit an application with a digital signature through public services. In the meantime, we are waiting for what Sobyanin and Vorobyov will come up with.

[New Year day]

Quote: Evil543

only then you need to apply through public services

It's more difficult for you. I will be given out at work, because as stated in the certificate I am "critically important"

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Silvestr

It's more difficult for you. I will be given out at work, because as stated in the certificate I am "critically important"

What is the general certificate of employment, if the employee has an order for employment and an employment contract?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Evil543

I live in Moscow, an office in the suburbs, people sent on vacation, I need to go every day to control equipment and materials, and how do I do this?

Have a pass with you.

[dauria]

Have a pass with you.

To joke, so to joke.
Crocodiles are one of the oldest reptiles in the world and can go without food for a long time, conserving energy, remaining motionless in anticipation of prey. They can usually remain without food for months during cool periods, and can survive. up to 3 years without food. And there are still camels, bears and penguins.

[Vadim237]

"The citizens of Russia, in connection with the almost imposed state of emergency in the country and the extension of the self-isolation regime until the end of the month, the authorities recommend that you stock up on breadcrumbs, tea and accumulate cosmic energy to endure your nerves and vital activity in order to overcome these difficult days of self-isolation, I ask you to treat this with understanding, hold on and do not reset "

[Vadim237]

Do you have protection there or not?

[Evil543]

No full, rent an area.

[Terenin]

Quote: Evil543

No full, rent an area.

As an option, put video surveillance or a "hunting camera trap".
It is possible to record or to watch online through a SIM card ...

[AU Ivanov.]

Make a reference. I did through the local administration: I live in St. Petersburg - the case is in the Novgorod region.

[alexmach]

I need to ride every day to control equipment and materials, and how do I do this?

Settle for a while in the suburbs, near the object.
Delegate this process of control to someone who lives nearby.
Write yourself a pass - you still go on business matters.

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: NEXUS

On the one hand, the decision is right about fines

And let me ask what exactly is it right? Quarantine can only be introduced by the president and government. From a legal point of view, self-isolation is completely nonsense - nonsense to the death of a stoned drug addict.
There are exactly two options. Or an emergency / emergency mode is introduced, and then legal methods to deal with violators are more than enough. Either emergency / emergency situations are not introduced, and the initiators of the introduction of self-isolation are sent to investigation as very serious criminals undermining the foundations of the state system of Russia.
Sorry generously. Or everything is fine with us, and then all sorts of sobins with their self-isolation are criminals. Or everything is bad with us, we need self-isolation, but then the helmsman and his retinue are frank cowards who are not able to take responsibility during the crisis and are not suitable for governing the country. The third option does not exist even in theory.

[yang174]

everything is true. Yesterday I read the law about state of emergency and quarantine. First you enter, then you punish. And you provide 100% of the people's livelihoods from the budget (food, utilities)

[Vadim237]

State of emergency in Russia is now self-isolation, get used to it.

[yang174]

first read the laws, then heal ...

not better on the contrary ...

[Demon_is_ada]

There are also such concepts as preventive anti-epidemic measures where restrictions can be partially introduced without introducing an emergency. In fact, the emergency mode did not come, formally nothing threatens you except for the "mythical virus" about which no one really knows anything, given that mortality it is not an emergency, while there are no overloading medical facilities, there are NO formal reasons Therefore, "self-isolation" was invented ... But given the sad experience of other countries, we do not need it for sure. The question is that the emergency situations have been thought over and tried repeatedly and a set of measures has been worked out there. Including feeding. The "self-isolation" just invented is such an "individual vision" not supported by anything concrete, the calculation was that in a week it will resolve itself ... it will not dissolve And the population’s reserves are not rubber, they will write new videos with a delay in time and as a result will duplicate the emergency measures written under Tsar Gorokh ...

[CYM]

After the attempt of the "guarantor" to change the constitution, not through a nationwide discussion and referendum, but through a muddy package approval of the amendments (approved by the Constitutional Court), does this surprise you? We don't even have a skin left from the right-wing state. Now it looks like we will live "according to concepts", the question is how long.

[Campanella]

You still do not understand that no one needs neither small nor medium business. And they don’t need people! Slaves are needed on the galleys.

[yang174]

what prevents the authorities from throwing people at least a minimum on the card? otherwise I’m just like ingvar. and what to eat? I'm not going to starve. I’ll go rob

[Piramidon]

Quote: yang174

I'm going to rob again

Have any experience?

[yang174]

I am a child of the 90s ... I know firsthand what a "biscuit" is. Up to 18 years old I wore a sweatshirt. And there are a lot of people like me in Chelyabinsk, but there are a lot of them everywhere, who is still alive and not sitting, did not drink and do not give drugs. God, why would 40-50 year olds remember the 90s. They will snatch the documents with the Russian Guard

[Oden280]

Until recently, small and medium-sized businesses screamed. so that the state does not interfere in their activities and provide more freedom. And now everything is pressed like this, "the state help, save." They already announced tax holidays for loans, so they also demand compensation for not earned profit. To the sick ward, let them understand that money is not the main thing.

[boss]

so the state didn’t listen, but introduced new taxes, increased VAT, introduced platons, patent licenses, etc.
and since entrepreneurs paid taxes, they should not ask, but demand compensation.
from the state, LEARN ALREADY, DO NOT HAVE YOUR MONEY.
the state exists and carries out any financial activity for public money.
and serves the interests of the people.
or are entrepreneurs no longer the people?
only bureaucrats and office workers, eh?

[Oden280]

Entrepreneurs do not serve the people and the state, but only themselves. Their main task is to make a profit at all costs. Including by avoiding taxes and deceiving consumers. Pay all your taxes normally - you wouldn’t have to introduce new ones and overload conscientious payers. And the state is already doing more for people than this medium and small business combined. Only whining can inflate prices for essential goods.

[boss]

for whom does the state do ???
and with what money?
where is the funded part of the pension, by the way, forcibly introduced and deducted from the salary of ALL citizens, including entrepreneurs?
who stole
entrepreneurs?
or all the same, the state gave officials stupid to plunder?
we recall the searches of civil servants, None of the ENTREPRENEURS HAVE FOUND so many billions in cash, gold and diamonds, as those of colonels, governors and customs officers and bureaucrats of various stripes.
what is the state doing now, huh?
announced a month of vacation, again at the expense of entrepreneurs!
pensioners can even thrown a ruble on the delivery of food or medicine? but fines, fines, fines.
can interest on loans be reduced or credit holidays?
maybe the payment for housing and communal services lowered the state?
maybe a cup of the national welfare fund was printed out and at least something was given to people?
literally the other day bureaucrats were shouting that it was overcrowded and they were deciding where to "invest" (read how to steal) they will.
for what, more precisely WHO is it created ???
we all see and feel the real actions on ourselves ...
as if you do not live in Russia

[Oden280]

I live in Russia and go to shops. In pharmacies there are no masks, hucksters have 100 apiece, disinfectants are the same. Bread in bakeries jumped 10-20 rubles. And as for the fact that someone was found, you will not believe it, but that. what they found from officials is a penny compared to what they find at hucksters. It's just not fashionable to write about it.
About fines. But how else can a stupid person make people sit at home if they don’t reach them normally.
Yesterday, the Federation Council approved a package of documents on the banking sector. Https: //rg.ru/2020/04/02/sovfed-odobril-zakon-o-kreditnyh-kanikulah.html
Evacuation of people from abroad, payment of extracurricular work of medical staff and special services from what is made? Do entrepreneurs really pay?
Rejoice. that we have such power, and not like in the 90s. Then Ukraine would have banned us for a fairy tale.
By the way, in Soviet times, hard quarantine was introduced for a long time. And then people like you are not that crazy, they would breathe on command through a gas mask.

[boss]

outbreaks of cholera, plague, polymellitis, smallpox won in the Soviet Union.
and all without hard quarantine, so you don’t need to quarantine hard quarantine.
about "it is not fashionable about the results of searches at the huckster" and that billions in cash and hundreds of kilograms of gold are pennies, compared to the results of searches at the hucksters - so you are corny LIES.
I can prove my words, but you DO NOT!
Regarding the fact that again pennies are added to the BEAGUARY salaries of medical workers, it's still pennies. My aunt in the Oryol region for 12'000 works as a nurse, she said even more or less salary, and the nurses have even less!
hammer, to throw off the veil from the eyes, about the actions of the Spanish authorities regarding the payment of doctors anesthesiologists. 7500 EURO per month with a 50 hour work week. this is more than 500'000 rubles.
the salaries of millers and other effective managers in STATE corporations, time and time again, stupidly wasting public resources - about a million rubles a DAY!
and you fill in where the government takes money to pay for overtime for emergency services, I will answer you - from the not completely stolen folk money - that is, the budget, which is formed from taxes from PEOPLE and the sale of PEOPLE'S natural resources, and NO merit officials and authorities in this NO.
and you tell here how officials took care of people, yeah. I have in my life so many Maybach, Mercedes and other limousines, as officials in Moscow have not seen such palaces.
TELLER YOU.

[Oden280]

Learn the story. youngster.https: //news.rambler.ru/other/43943026-kak-v-sssr-ostanavlivali-smertelnye-epidemii/

[boss]

Well, definitely a storyteller)
I am writing this after I clicked on the link you offered on credit holidays.
So, for starters, I suggest that you personally familiarize yourself with the full and original text of the decision.
the solution is complete profanity.
1. The term of the holidays is determined by the BORROWER (bank)
2. to obtain this vacation, you must DOCUMENT to prove to the borrower a loss of AT LEAST 30% of the income.
that is, even if you manage to DOCUMENTALLY, and not by application, prove a drop in income by at least 30% (29% of garbage is obtained), the bank will give you a delay for a MONTH.
and a serious delay to citizens ONLY if you prove that you have suffered from a cow virus and not from the moronic decisions of the authorities, quarantine and isolation.
while it is up to 1000 people in the Russian Federation.
Now compare with the proposal of "Russian agent Donald" for OWN citizens - to give each of them $ 1200 + $ 500 each to those families who have 3 or more minor children.
without information, without paperwork.
The decision of the Dutch authorities: to freeze ALL student loans, vacation rents, mortgages and even rental housing!
this I understand the help of the president and the government.
and we have a reindeer herder 6 yards only postponed the bardure, but as he was offered people financial help, he immediately refused, because his budget will not tolerate this)
broaden your horizons

[Altona]

Quote: NEXUS

On the one hand, the decision is right about fines

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And when oil is at zero, how do you replenish the budget? 13 dollars per barrel MINUS 13 dollars for delivery. Well?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Altona

And when oil is at zero, how do you replenish the budget? 13 dollars per barrel MINUS 13 dollars for delivery. Well?

The next stage is CLOSING CITIES (do not enter or leave). Well, like a cherry on a cake, subsequent hunger. I already said, this is the Third World War, with all the attributes-alteration of the social component, the economic, the change of borders, and so on ... hunger, poverty, a jump in mortality, etc. ... than not post-war time?

[pilot306]

Such is the essence of caring for those in power.

[knn54]

And who will monitor the abuse / abuse of power?

[Snail N9]

Figs with the fact that it is necessary to deal with speculators who sell respiratory protection, gloves, antiseptics in three ways, because it is much easier to cut the dough from those who are forced to go to work in order to feed themselves or the same old people who do not have an Internet (yes they do not understand anything about "computers") and which even do not turn on the TV, saving on electricity.

[mole]

According to official statistics, we do not have those (who save on electricity). 70% of the middle class, 20% of the rich, and 10% of the smartest people.
We have no oligarchs.
This is how to live better and live more fun.
So it turns out that the middle class can be cut without remorse.

[Deniska999]

All measures are late for 2-3 weeks.

[Finches]

As Western magazines called Sobyanin there, an enlightened autocrat! In Russia, there is no middle ground — either a complete liberal and a national traitor or an enlightened autocrat and a jingoistic patriot!
And to be serious - he does everything right! However, now on the radio "Echo Moskva" groans must be heard about trampling on freedom and that the next step of the authorities will be forcible handcuffing of the population to the battery!

[New Year day]

Quote: Finches

However, now on the radio "Echo Moskva" must be heard groans about trampling on freedom

there is just full approval. But Klishas accused Sobyanin of violating the constitution

[Finches]

So he is a fellow student of Navalny and a friend of Potanin

[New Year day]

Quote: Finches

So he is a fellow student of Navalny and a friend of Potanin

weird! They wrote that he is the mouthpiece of Patrushev the elder. Then does Patrushev’s Bulk friend turn out?

[Finches]

Everything is interconnected in this world - and everyone plays a role!
It was Potanin who pushed Klishas into politics.

[Snail N9]

Just leave it here:
https://www.yapfiles.ru/show/2358272/502c2de22a7c56570c72c14a4817d1ee.mp4.html

[Evil543]

On an echo today, the economist talked about the coronovirus models in the world, compared as a real virologist.

[Altona]

Quote: Evil543

economist talked about coronovirus models in the world

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Where is this world heading? All the "experts" were unanimously repainted in virologists. Politics and economics are no longer fed as virology.

[Aag]

Grown uncles were offended by Gretta Tumberg, decided to "shout down"?

[Svarog]

Quote: NEXUS

This does not stop human idiocy.

And all this will last until April 30 .. tin .. I can’t even imagine how many people will go bankrupt ..

[boss]

official idiocy, worse will be.
For example, I’m just bastard from the new notion of Matskov’s bureaucrats - to take citizens' cars to the parking lots if they used the car.
And how then to pick up the car from the parking lot, where, how to go?
or pay a monthly parking ticket ???
and how can I infect someone or get infected while sitting in my car?
even in a taxi or car sharing I don’t know who was driving to me and is it healthy?
Everywhere they blow that they do not use public transport and the metro, so that they do not become infected, but here it is .....
pure diversion multiplied by greed and stupidity!

[venik]

Quote: NEXUS

This does not stop human idiocy.

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HOW can you stop it? I do not remember which of the philosophers said that "Mind human has its limits, whereas Stupidity - ENDLESS !!!"

[marshes]

4 thousand by 6 is 24 thousand tenge according to ours, in the region of 10 MCI, only we give another 15 days of arrest. Administrative courts. And everything is according to the emergency law, entered from March 15.

[The popuas]

So we don’t have an emergency ... but the notorious self-isolation! A fine for violating the "quarantine", and self-isolation is ascribed to journalists!

[Lopatov]

Quote: Popuas

So we don’t have an emergency

We have a "high alert"

[The popuas]

We have a "day off" if that

[unaha]

"Everything is according to the law of emergency situations" - it is quite understandable and possibly even justified. But! We have no emergency!

[marshes]

Quote: unaha

"Everything is according to the law of emergency situations" - it is quite understandable and possibly even justified. But! We have no emergency!

So enter, demand.

[Vadim02rus]

So enter, demand.

So is it introduced at your request?)

[marshes]

Quote: Vadim02rus

So is it introduced at your request?)

You can think so.

[boss]

in emergency mode, the state has social guarantees.
pay or cancel payments to the people? But who needs it?
no emergency, pay for self-isolation!)
this is like a category of "internally displaced persons" from the DNR-LPR, they were declared refugees, as expected - according to the UN Charter they should have provided housing and social guarantees, and so they came up with - and normal.
the same with RECOMMENDED self-isolation and emergency.

[marshes]

Quote: patron

in emergency mode, the state has social guarantees. pay or cancel payments to the people? But who needs it?

This is what they did in Kazakhstan, and the budget and reserves are much smaller than in Russia.

[boss]

but we, on the other hand, masks, dust and other humanitarian aid to dear partners in Washington and the regional committee and the guys sent the Italians to scrub the infection to add sanctions!
free rides were canceled for their old people and students, and they introduced fines under house arrest.
and yes, there are a lot of reserves.

[marshes]

Quote: patron

but we, on the other hand, masks, dust and other humanitarian aid to dear partners in Washington and the regional committee and the guys sent to infect the Italians! free rides were canceled for their old people and students, and they introduced fines under house arrest.

Russia cannot be understood with the mind!
For this site, most are confident that Putin has a cunning Plan.

Quote: patron

and yes, there are a lot of reserves.

And per person?
Okay, there are 18 lyamov with kopecks in Kazakhstan and you are under 146. Will there be enough reserves.

[Vadim02rus]

It follows from the words of the deputy akim of Almaty that it is possible if you can agree with the cops.
“I think it is possible. Our city patrols have been given this opportunity. But there is one thing - if the person who follows this vehicle really has such an urgent need, he should be able to explain it to the police. The patrols are not robots, but the same people, they also have children, parents, families and they understand such situations, but if, for example, today someone cannot buy meat, coffee, some shampoo, then I think that it’s the time when you need to suffer 20-21 days, ”the deputy akim said.

[marshes]

Quote: Vadim02rus

It follows from the words of the deputy akim of Almaty that it is possible if you can agree with the cops.

A Karaganda resident who is in the courses, Well, this is new to you, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Defense, the National Security Committee and the Ministry of Health, four departments, it’s interesting how they will share the bribe.
Now you will feel everything, by the way you have a lot of patients and contacts.

[Vadim02rus]

Karaganda - you, deputy akim or me?) And who should feel everything?

[marshes]

Quote: Vadim02rus

Karaganda - you, deputy akim or me?) And who should feel everything?

As a resident of Kazakhstan

[Vadim02rus]

If you are about me, then acclimatized for 9 years) Moreover, my dear Bashkiria is not so much (mentally) and different)

[marshes]

Quote: Vadim02rus

If you are about me, then acclimatized for 9 years) Moreover, my dear Bashkiria is not so much (mentally) and different)

Bashkir? What kind?

[Vadim02rus]

Bashkir? What kind?

Orys)

[marshes]

Quote: Vadim02rus

Orys)

Rysysbay
I think everyone who works at the nuclear power plant in Ulken near Balkhash wants to build all the same.
The Simpsons.

[Gardamir]

something like that.

[Vadim237]

You have already been chosen - the process of zeroing has started and nature itself has done it.

[DMB 75]

for citizens who are required to comply with the regime of self-isolation at home or in a hospital.

That's right, let them lie in the hospital and not roam the streets, there is nothing to spread the infection.

[New Year day]

Quote: DMB 75

That's right, let them lie in the hospital

Duc hospitals clogged

[DMB 75]

You’re a doctor, Sylvester, suggest you release all of the hospitals once they are crammed? We need to build new ones in a few days, as the Chinese, since there aren’t enough existing ones, take measures and not let them drift. Putin won out (just listened) until the end of the month the whole thing. One is not clear at whose expense the banquet will be, if private traders do not work, where the people will take the money to pay for this self-isolation, I don’t understand yet .. The state will pay the public budget, and the rest? Many questions so far ..

[New Year day]

Quote: DMB 75

You are a doctor, Sylvester, suggest you release all of the hospitals once they are crammed?

where did i say that? Moreover, federal bunks are already reprofiling for the virus. The virus strides across the country

[yang174]

Yes, there are no questions. Who are self-employed, and among them, we will go the long way if the authorities do not begin to provide food or donate money. Otherwise, we will die either from one or the other

[meandr51]

On the street the infection does not live. But the authorities succeeded in introducing a fashion for muzzles and driving part of people into a stall. We are waiting for forced chipization and the law to turn off the heart rhythm.
This Kafkianism has nothing to do with the spread of the next "crowned" ARD. I am sure that the "suppression measures" have already killed 10 times more people. than "saved".

[unaha]

"for violation of the regime of SELF-isolation of Muscovites will be PENALTIED" - as those who voice this, they themselves do not suffer from this schizophrenia ...
Moreover, this schiz strides widely in the country)))

[rotkiv04]

This schiz comes from the guarantor

[meandr51]

The next step is fines for breathing.

[Lopatov]

Quote: meandr51

The next step is fines for breathing.

Exactly.
Any free and adequate person is simply obliged to fight for their right to spread the infection ...

[marshes]

Quote: Spade

Exactly. Any free and adequate person is simply obliged to fight for his right to spread the infection ...

Yes, at least enter the mask mode, the patient will simply spoil his mask.

[meandr51]

Masks, on the contrary, have been limited in sale. They are ineffective for the healthy. Small drops penetrate in both directions. They can only reduce the range of the patient's sneeze. In any case, at least 70% of the population will be ill, so it is useless to protect oneself. And the consequences for the economy and psyche of the nation affect mortality stronger than any virus.

[Gardamir]

spread the infection ...

Yes you are like a virus, self-spreading and self-commenting.

[Amateur]

The wrong disease was called Mad Cow disease. For the so-called. "Coronovirus" primarily affects the brain.

[Vadim237]

The coronovirus first affects the diaphragm second to the lungs and the third to life - for the worse.

[Fikys]

Everything is right, just the opposite!

[rotkiv04]

The bald man gladdened the people, now it’s like communism has come — no one is working, but they want to eat everything

[Vadim237]

Take courage - you should stay at home until the end of this month, as well as throughout Russia.

[meandr51]

Where does such optimism come from? What, there are no other strains? A month will not solve anything. However, like a year. For alarmists and scammers, this is now an eternal vein.

[GUSAR]

How can one be fined for self-isolation ?! SAMO - this is when I want to isolate myself, I do not want no. A quarantine is not introduced like

[Snail N9]

It's cool - take and self-isolate until May 01. I imagine what our boss-host will say tomorrow. I just saw him briefly, he waved his cancer and really croaked with tears in his eyes: "P ..... and us. All tomorrow ..." and left.

[Vadim237]

He had to measure the temperature and look at the pallor - you never know if he can have the same crown.

[unaha]

"No one will pay a month's salary just like that. People will either be sent on unpaid leave (leaving them without money for a month), or they will be fired and closed. Real money must urgently come to enterprises and organizations, and not promises to defer taxes and give soft loans," which are still overwhelming.
Helping a business after assessing its losses is like starting to treat a patient who has already died. "
Will it be like in Canada, or as usual? )

[marshes]

Quote: unaha

"Nobody will pay a month's salary just like that. People will either be sent on unpaid leave (leaving them without money for a month), or they will be fired and closed.

In Kazakhstan, 42500 tenge, the minimum wage will be paid even without work and self-employed, about 90 bucks a month. The main thing on the electronic gosportal is to identify yourself, without contact. Everything is described in the press step by step.

[unaha]

Well, so you have something like "like in Canada", here - as usual.
Today it became known that the resort has laid off about 1000 employees (although apparently not all were dismissed, some were sent on vacation without saving salary) due to the inability to pay salary. "The resort is close to bankruptcy due to the high number of prepaid package refunds." The resort cannot meet its obligations to pay taxes, accounts payable to suppliers, and most importantly, staff salaries. "
"As the acting governor said at a meeting of the operational headquarters, such actions of the leadership are an example of unscrupulous behavior during the crisis. The prosecutor's office and the labor inspectorate have been instructed to check the legality of the director's actions."
The director should probably draw the money ...

[marshes]

Quote: unaha

Well, so you have something like "like in Canada"

Yes, almost two years ago, my elder brother immigrated to Canada, in general, he wanted to go to New Zealand, like a former Strategic Missile Forces He knows the points on the map.

Quote: unaha

Today it became known that the resort has laid off about 1000 employees due to the inability to pay salaries. "The resort is close to bankruptcy due to the high number of prepaid package refunds." The resort cannot meet its obligations to pay taxes, accounts payable to suppliers, and most importantly, staff salaries. "

in azakhstan, the emergency mode cannot be dismissed by law, moreover, self-employed and unemployed will be paid a minimum wage. About 90 bucks. The only condition is that at least once the tax or medical fee is paid and this is real pennies, a bottle of vodka is more expensive.

Quote: unaha

The director should probably draw the money ...

The forest was carrying the earliest from you, since the age of 14, he has scored everything, it was easier to talk with bandits than with government officials.

[Vadim02rus]

The main thing is to identify yourself on the electronic gosportal, without contact. Everything is described in the press step by step.

Just one problem. eGOV does not work) Neither yesterday nor today it was possible to do this. Today in Nur Sultan, a crowd of banks rushed to storm, spitting on all the quarantines, masks and other "trifles". It was smooth on paper .....
Tomorrow my wife and I will also go to the bank. They give a pension only in "BCC". And in the shops "Caspian" they accept.

[marshes]

Quote: Vadim02rus

Only one problem. eGOV does not work)

Don’t star, not that my megaline line is so exceptional or Tele 2.

Quote: Vadim02rus

... Today in Nur Sultan, a crowd of banks rushed to storm, spitting on all the quarantines, masks and other "trifles". It was smooth on paper .....

Do not call again, payments will not be earlier than May, now only applications for consideration, plus more money from the budget, have not yet been received.

[Vadim02rus]

And you will try to register. The portal itself works. I can’t register. The day before yesterday it was still possible. Yesterday and today no longer.

Do not call again, payments will not be earlier than May, now only applications for consideration, plus more money from the budget, have not yet been received.

On YouTube, there are rollers going up to one place as the crowds storm the Caspian Sea. And nobody canceled "Toy" at all. "Ket coronovirus, ket".)

[marshes]

Quote: Vadim02rus

On YouTube, there are rollers going up to one place as the crowds storm the Caspian Sea. And nobody canceled "Toy" at all. "Ket coronovirus, ket".)

And where does the Caspian Sea have to do, payments will be through Halyk, Narodnaya Kulibayevo Nazarbayev Bank.

[Vadim02rus]

And where does the Caspian

Do I know? Ask those who rushed to the bank. The wife says that asking for loans, because there is nothing to eat.
Z.Y
In the spring, two women made repairs. Cossacks, from Mongolia arrived. There is no permanent job, a bunch of children. In one bank, a loan is taken, while time to pay is taken in another. And so in a circle. And there are a dime a dozen.
Z.Y.
Payments have already begun.

[marshes]

Quote: Vadim02rus

Do i know

Bank of the second level, ask Lomadze.

Quote: Vadim02rus

In the spring, two women made repairs. Cossacks, from Mongolia arrived. There is no permanent job, a bunch of children. In one bank, a loan is taken, while time to pay is taken in another. And so in a circle. And there are a dime a dozen.

Go to a local psychiatrist for an interview.

[Vadim02rus]

Go to a local psychiatrist for an interview.

Have a nice one you too.

[marshes]

Quote: Vadim02rus

Have a nice one you too.

I knew, or rather guessed, that metallurgists and miners were star-shaped, we would not look at the last of the Magikans as soon as possible.
Especially Vadim rebuilds all.

[Vadim02rus]

Are you not a conscript? Tokayev "issued" a decree on the collection of all conscripts.

[marshes]

Quote: Vadim02rus

Are you not a conscript? Tokayev "issued" a decree on the collection of all conscripts.

Already there is no age and health, if they call me I will be glad, without an academy, the title is different
I'm waiting for an official notice,

[Alexander S.]

As I understand it, they are fined for failure to comply with the decisions of the local authorities or whatever. That is, orders have been issued .. orders .. I don’t know the terms ... But, how can there be issued orders restricting the rights of citizens (in particular, to travel) (that is .. contradicting the constitution) in the absence of an emergency regime? Maybe there are lawyers here? I'm not talking about quarantine. And about "self-isolation"

[unaha]

Can not. But who cares?

[asv363]

As an option, 68-FZ dated 21.12.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX:
https://base.garant.ru/10107960/
Article 11, paragraph 1, subparagraph m - without the introduction of emergency situations for the subjects of the federation;
Article 28 is about punishment.

[AB]

Nah. The reindeer breeder should graze reindeer, preferably in Chukotka, and he spuds Moscow ...

[Moskovit]

As I understand it, those who violated the regime will be fined - that is, patients isolated from contacts with patients, those who have arrived from abroad. And not everyone in a row who moved 101 meters from the house.

[AAK]

In fact, in my opinion, the fining ones can be sent over the horizon with one question: "... under which article of the Code of Administrative Offenses of the Russian Federation will you draw up a protocol for this administrative offense?" Even taking into account the well-known amendments (if anything, sarcasm), it does not happen that in Moscow there is one list of offenses, and, say, in Yakutia or in the Jewish Autonomous Region, there is another

[awdrgy]

So earlier it was necessary to bring down nada from Moscow (this is a trap), and type only on primers or just a pawn trader and without a mobile. In short zamkadysh type on the other hand)

[Vadim02rus]

In Kazakhstan, 42500 tenge, the minimum wage will be paid even without the working and self-employed, about 90 bucks a month.

"Where is the money, Zin?"
And here is where:

The Ministry of Finance of Kazakhstan plans to borrow $ 3 billion in foreign financial markets. This was announced on April 2 by Deputy Minister of Finance Berik Sholpankulov at a video briefing.

[marshes]

Quote: Vadim02rus

"Where is the money, Zin?"

Beggar you do business with the Caspian Bank, so get quiet.
Bank who issue loans at interest.

[Vadim02rus]

"Dear", go with your friend Cord and communicate in your own language.

[16112014nk]

So far, pensioners over 65 have been given 2 rubles, and 000 are going to take away. Cool!

[Radical]

Quote: Round Smesharik

Quote: Ingvar 72

What job? I'm an unofficial

Neo-official doesn’t have any stash ...?

Quote: Ingvar 72

What should I feed my children if, following the example of Moscow, fines will be introduced ????

To get a job officially and there are no problems .. Won in Moscow heaps of work (migrants are massively taken out and run away)
Can Ingvar help? Wipers are needed, masks are allocated and vests are used.

Are you the commander of the janitors?

[Romanenko]

The worst thing in this whole company is that for the majority of self-isolation people it is completely incomprehensible what the difference between quarantine and self-isolation, as is usually the case, officials showed only one end of the law - on fines, without bothering to correctly explain to people who and under what conditions is the subject the effect of this law.
Now, with all sorts of interpretations, the network is jam-packed and, as a result, there is complete confusion.
Even in the official publications of the document, they jump from one to another, the decision on fines starts with self-isolated and immediately goes to quarantine violators.
I won’t explain anything from myself, just so as not to add additional confusion to the already muddy letters of the reindeer herders.
In the comments on the coronavirus on mos.ru, the answers contain only promises to clarify a bit later. And fines, as I understand it, are ready to collect everything from everyone.
As a result of what I have written, I see two explanations for this information mess from words.
1. People who bring to the population the text and meaning of the decisions of the government of the Russian Federation and Moscow are incompetent and are not able to correctly explain who is who and to what extent is responsible for what;
2. The confusion in the interpretation of the decisions when they are published is introduced by not very conscientious officials with a low level of social responsibility, simply for catching fish of any size, large and small, in troubled waters.

[DWG1905]

All these measures are aimed at reducing the spread of the virus, everyone who can pick up the virus will still pick up, those who cannot cope with the immune system will get sick. The whole idea is that medicine does not suffocate from the influx of patients. But soon there will be no smoking, yes, I’ll go look for my cigarettes, the samosad will probably only be in the fall. In general, the political and economic costs of these measures will exceed the doubtful effect of the fight against the spread of the virus. Everyone does not hurt !!!!!!!!!!