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Two nuclear submarines of the Pacific Fleet will be redone for new cruise missiles

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It is planned to remake two nuclear submarines of the Pacific fleet under new cruise missiles. It is assumed that their repair and reconstruction will begin in the second half of 2020.


About this news agency TASS said a source working in the defense industry.

We are talking about the submarines "Bratsk" and "Samara" project 971 "Pike-B". After the alteration, they will be able to use the Caliber cruise missiles. In addition, an average repair of submarines will be carried out.

Work will take place at the Zvezdochka ship repair center. The press service of the ship repair company did not comment on information about submarines.

Waiting for repairs for Bratsk and Samara has been ongoing since 2008. In 2014, the submarines were transported by lighter carrier along the Northern Sea Route to the Murmansk Region.

Repair is expected to last from 3 to 5 years. The duration of the work depends on how they are financed.

Initially, it was planned to carry out repairs and modernization in Kamchatka, but there are no ship repair enterprises that can cope with the tasks.

The nuclear submarine Bratsk became part of the fleet in 1989. Samara is a bit “younger”, it has been in operation since 1995.
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  1. newcomer
    newcomer April 2 2020 09: 20 New
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    They waited for the repair of Bratsk and Samara. Let's hope for proper funding and a speedy return to operation.
    1. Malyuta
      Malyuta April 2 2020 09: 34 New
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      Quote: newbie
      They waited for the repair of Bratsk and Samara. Let's hope for proper funding and a speedy return to operation.

      An interesting detail from the article.

      Waiting for repairs for Bratsk and Samara lasts from 2008 year. In 2014 year submarines using a lighter carrier transported along the Northern Sea Route to the Murmansk region.

      Now 2020 is in the yard and again the crisis .. Or maybe it’s just a year of weight-bearing?
      Impressive repair speed 12 + 5 = 17 - again a jerk, but this is not accurate.
      1. newcomer
        newcomer April 2 2020 09: 36 New
        10
        There was no repair like that. It will begin, I hope this year.
      2. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan April 2 2020 09: 50 New
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        Quote: Malyuta
        Impressive repair speed 12 + 5 = 17 - again a jerk, but this is not accurate.

        K-391 Bratsk arrived in 2003 at OJSC Northeast Repair Center in Vilyuchinsk and was in the water area of ​​the enterprise awaiting repair. The contract for the repair of the technical condition with the extension of the overhaul life was concluded between the Ministry of Defense and the enterprise in 2011. However, the contract was disrupted, including due to the degradation of the ship repair enterprise (personnel problems) and the lack of some of the equipment to be repaired on the ship, due to its dismantling by personnel before setting up for use on other MAPLs of this project. In 2014, K- 391 “Bratsk” and K-295 “Samara” were transported by the Dutch company on the TransShelf docking vessel (Finland built the TransShelf for the USSR, then sold it to the Dutch) from the Far East to Severodvinsk by the Northern Sea Route for the purpose of their repair and modernization and on pr. 971M at Zvezdochka Ship Repair Center JSC, as well as two of the same type of Northern Fleet MAPL: Leopard and Wolf. But after the troubleshooting, they simply stand at the wall of the enterprise in anticipation of being placed in the boathouse, which will take place no earlier than the withdrawal of Leopard or Wolf + there is information about the possible leasing of K-295 Samara to India (mother money can also be sell, yeah). K-391 "Bratsk" 1989, the parachute is more than 30 years old, of which 17 years it is not running. Modernization will take seven years, the same “Leopard” in modernization since 2014 and there is no end to the region.
        1. Alexey from Perm
          Alexey from Perm April 2 2020 10: 48 New
          +2
          unfortunately, it seems to be true (((
        2. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer April 2 2020 17: 36 New
          +3
          Well, the time has come to put them back in operation. Otkapitalyat and still serve, in a new quality.
    2. Alexey from Perm
      Alexey from Perm April 2 2020 09: 41 New
      +1
      10 years have to wait ..
      1. newcomer
        newcomer April 2 2020 09: 42 New
        -1
        Wait ... I hope for 5/6.
      2. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer April 2 2020 19: 17 New
        +1
        And what, Russia ends in 10 years?
        1. Alexey from Perm
          Alexey from Perm April 3 2020 06: 03 New
          -3
          In Russia, gagging and indifference will never end
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer April 3 2020 19: 32 New
            0
            You want to say that these are purely Russian character traits? I assure you, the mess and stupidity is enough everywhere. And in Ukraine, greed, impudence, and meanness are superimposed on these traits.
            1. Alexey from Perm
              Alexey from Perm April 3 2020 20: 53 New
              -1
              Well, Ukraine and I are like two brothers. We have the same problems. Maybe a little more order, but that's not for sure ..
              1. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer April 3 2020 21: 41 New
                0
                You have more or less order, it’s just a huge country - it is seen poorly. Ukraine is much smaller, because it is clearly seen that the glove box and corruption are flourishing.
    3. antivirus
      antivirus April 2 2020 10: 09 New
      -12
      what happiness, you can get cons for upgrading submarines
      ANOTHER 2 LITTLE SPOONS IN THE ENDLESS BARREL OF RUSSIA'S POWER.
      no minuser will give his money (like the Second World War) "for the construction of the mighty Navy of the Russian Federation"
      1. Sandor Clegane
        Sandor Clegane April 2 2020 10: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: antivirus
        no minuser will give his money

        You are an interesting person, but you gave your money back? .... no then oh))
        1. antivirus
          antivirus April 2 2020 12: 29 New
          -5
          I'm talking about the situation "everything for the front, everything for the Victory."
          not 13%.
          who needs "7 Leaders (for 100 thousand TVI -) - pay for your Wishlist, in addition to the budget of the MO, it is an honor to be in the same company with Shoigu and GDP.
          but the "bad majority" (almost aggressively obedient) for the implementation of the fed budget and no more
          - my opinion is that the Kremlin knows better what to cut and what to build in the first and third turn
      2. Rzzz
        Rzzz April 2 2020 11: 13 New
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        Quote: antivirus
        no minuser will give his money (like the Second World War) "for the construction of the mighty Navy of the Russian Federation"

        So we give back. From each salary 13%, from each purchase in the store 20%, from each refueling the car an additional 16,5%, and another 18 rubles 45 kopecks for each liter of gasoline poured into the tank. Then, almost half the price of each car brought from abroad, and much more. We give most of our pension contributions to the state.
        According to estimates, the average person with each earned 1000 rubles gives the state 400-500 rubles.
        But something this money goes to all garbage. On submarines does not remain.
        1. antivirus
          antivirus April 2 2020 12: 30 New
          -3
          I'm talking about the situation "everything for the front, everything for the Victory."
          not 13%.
          who needs "7 Leaders (for 100 thousand TVI -) - pay for your Wishlist, in addition to the budget of the MO, it is an honor to be in the same company with Shoigu and GDP.
          but the "bad majority" (almost aggressively obedient) for the implementation of the fed budget and no more
          - my opinion is that the Kremlin knows better what to cut and what to build in the first and third turn
          The submarines must be kept as well as mechanical ventilation devices + isolated boxes during the entire life of the hospital
          1. Rzzz
            Rzzz April 2 2020 12: 56 New
            +8
            Quote: antivirus
            TVI -) - pay for your Wishlist, in addition to the budget of the MO,

            Well, the budget of the Ministry of Defense should be spent on it FIRST. On beautiful leather chairs in the meeting room (at the price of a couple thousand euros each) and Mercedes for generals (let them ride in UAZs, they’re military men), in the tenth turn. A terrible green church in Kubinka should not be spent at all. But we have something, on the contrary, priorities are set.
            1. antivirus
              antivirus April 2 2020 12: 58 New
              -5
              however, the Minister of Defense is Shoigu, and in the Kremlin, Putin
              they sign BUDGET - this is sacred.
              others will set their own priorities - you to them?
              something and the "others" not according to your "Wishlist" will do
  2. svp67
    svp67 April 2 2020 09: 26 New
    +1
    Two nuclear submarines of the Pacific Fleet will be redone for new cruise missiles
    Wow ... "not even a year has passed", it is high time, as the last "Shark" under the Kyrgyz Republic to modernize. That's just the production of the Kyrgyz Republic will have to be increased, since it has become such a "hot commodity"
    1. newcomer
      newcomer April 2 2020 09: 31 New
      0
      They want a "shark" under the experimental-testing laboratory.
      1. svp67
        svp67 April 2 2020 09: 36 New
        +2
        Quote: newbie
        They want a "shark" under the experimental-testing laboratory.

        Wishlist can be changed. Just what is her POTENTIAL for placing these "gifts"
        1. newcomer
          newcomer April 2 2020 09: 40 New
          +6
          Naturally. But, in my opinion, a decision has already been made. Canned "Sharks" did not have to be written off. It was said that their condition is not so hot restoration is expensive, but go find the best carrier under "Caliber".
          1. svp67
            svp67 April 2 2020 09: 41 New
            +4
            Quote: newbie
            It was said that their condition is not so hot restoration is expensive,

            Especially when they pay for it here and now "not a clear green coin"
            Quote: newbie
            but go find the best carrier under Caliber.

            And under the "Zircons"
            1. newcomer
              newcomer April 2 2020 09: 45 New
              +3
              I agree, but I would like to see Zircon primarily on the surface Fleet.
            2. Grits
              Grits April 2 2020 14: 49 New
              +3
              Quote: svp67
              And under the "Zircons"

              Under Zircons there is no point. For Zircon is a weapon for destroying the ships of a strong and treacherous enemy - the NATO fleet and their allies. But the Shark is no longer of that freshness and not of that secrecy to compete with modern NATO ships. But to go ashore and scare some barmalei or naughty "dictators" of any banana republic or a little bigger - that’s it. And here Gauges are the best argument. And if there are a lot of them on the carrier (which may be the Shark), then the argument turns out to be hefty formidable and intelligible.
          2. bayard
            bayard April 2 2020 12: 20 New
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            Quote: newbie
            "Sharks" did not have to be written off.

            What was to be done with them? There was no rocket for them. “Bark” did not go, due to the fact that Pavlograd (where they had to build the 1st and 2nd steps, as they had built for Typhoon before) and Dnepropetrovsk (where it was already without UMZ in the 90th \ beginning solid fuel) were within the borders of another state.
            "Blue" \ "Liner" to stick into it? Too spacious would be such a compact rocket in a huge launch cup. Yes, and irrational.
            The "mace" is also too small for such a whopper - excessive buoyancy of hundreds of tons is formed (up to a thousand) from an already excessively floating submarine.
            Of course it was a pity to write off such beauty and perfection, but the content of these monsters (absolutely without any benefit to the Navy and the state) was simply enchantingly expensive.
            And the Kyrgyz Republic is also not an option for them, like weapons, all for the same reason as our "slim" SLBMs - underload.
            Even if it is possible to tamp in the launch glasses of “Shark” not 7 (like the “Ohio”), but 10 KR ... say “Caliber” (weight about 2 tons), or “Onyx” \ “Zircon” (weight about 4 tons ), then one loaded glass will account for 20 - 40 \ 25 - 45 tons. Instead of regular 80 t.
            The underload is 700-1200 tons, and this is for the nuclear submarine, which was already called a water carrier ... But most importantly, then - in the late 90s and early XNUMXs there was neither Bulava, nor Caliber missile defense.
            And also about the price and money - repairs with the modernization of such a nuclear submarine as the Shark will cost the cost of building ... one and a half, or even two new Boreevs.
            So now it’s wiser to pull out 40-year-old boats from the sludge, strain KB and industry with preparing the project, preparing the dock (how long will it take belay ), fault detection, ordering spare parts and equipment that has not been manufactured for decades ... Or simply build for the same money 2 (TWO!) Borey-K submarines with 112 KR each. fellow
            New ones. yes
            Extremely low noise. yes
            According to the existing SERIAL (!) Project. good
            Without violence against industry, design personnel and common sense. wink
            Which option would you choose? wink
            So Shoigu chose the right one, stating that after laying the last Boreev-A in the series (now they will be sort of like 12), 4 (first 2, then 2 more) carriers of KR Borey-K will be laid.
            And if you take into account that the cost of the serial Boreya-A is about 2 (!) Times CHEAPER than the construction of the serial Yasen-M ... with the development of this project by the industry, minimal changes to the project under the Kyrgyz Republic ... fellow Yes, this is just a brilliant decision.
            And nothing will prevent you from expanding the Borey-K series to 8 pcs. - 4 pcs. on the Pacific Fleet and the SF. To replace the "Batons".

            A "Sharks" ... sorry to cut ... recourse ... of them to do museums and attractions.
            - in Primorye.
            - S. Petersburg.
            - Sevastopol or Novorossiysk (if they pass into the straits).

            And to educate in the younger generations PRIDE (!!!) for the accomplishments of their ancestors and the desire to do no less in their lives. soldier bully hi drinks
            1. newcomer
              newcomer April 2 2020 14: 10 New
              +2
              I agree with you, correctly described. But when else will we have such a carrier? If desired, it would be possible to save and arm it with diverse missiles.
              1. bayard
                bayard April 2 2020 15: 02 New
                +4
                Yes, there are already these boats. They are not ready for a long time. They just stand in the crap. They kind of even got the lids of the mines here. Resuscitating them is utopia. And it’s very expensive.
                But the museums from them will turn out just ... deafening.
                And drive the kids.
                Organize classes inside ... at least for the same cadets / Nakhimov students.
            2. Grits
              Grits April 2 2020 14: 55 New
              +1
              Quote: bayard
              A "Sharks" ... sorry to cut ...

              With all that you have described, you can agree with you. Quite reasonable arguments. But ... My hand would not rise. I just remember standing on the side of the aft horizontal rudder of the Shark and admiring the power ...
              1. bayard
                bayard April 2 2020 15: 14 New
                +2
                Quote: Gritsa
                But ... My hand would not rise.

                But who will rise to such a hand!
                Unless the enemy.
                As military units, “Sharks" no longer exist, but they could still serve as museums. Remember, when "Dmitry Donskoy" walked across the Baltic Sea to the sea parade in St. Petersburg ... All of Europe was envious! This little lady just crushed her power!
                Therefore, I proposed to transform three such nuclear submarines into a museum \ training center \ attraction (for tourists):
                - in Primorye (Vladivostok).
                - in St. Petersburg.
                - in Novorossiysk, if it is possible to agree with the Turks on the passage of the straits (in Sevastopol such a whopper is unlikely to be a place).
                Patriotism (LOVE FOR THE MOTHERLAND) should be brought up from a young age, from childhood ... on VISUAL examples of the accomplishments of glorious ancestors.
            3. 16329
              16329 April 2 2020 21: 48 New
              0
              If you would like to write the original name of Petersburg (Goland
        2. Bashkirkhan
          Bashkirkhan April 2 2020 09: 59 New
          +1
          Quote: svp67
          Just what is her POTENTIAL for placing these "gifts"

          Strategic-purpose submarine TK-208, launched 40 years ago, you're probably joking. He has the potential for disposal only.
          1. Sandor Clegane
            Sandor Clegane April 2 2020 10: 36 New
            +1
            Quote: Bashkirkhan
            He has the potential for disposal only.

            from here on in more detail, what is your statement based on?
          2. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa April 2 2020 12: 44 New
            +2
            Quote: Bashkirkhan
            TK-208, launched 40 years ago, you are probably joking. He has the potential for disposal only.

            Colleague, you were in a hurry to write off our "monster"!
            From 1998 to June 26.06.2002, 208, the TK-941 SSBN was converted at the Sevmash Production Association, which had previously been modernized according to pr.2U / UTTKh — XNUMX missile launchers for testing Bulava missiles in the bow of the ship were installed, equipment was modernized.
            PC at "Dm. Donskoy" is made of steel with titanium additives, corrosion resistant. The modernization base allows you to put a new "stuffing". The upgraded silos will continue to be used to test new generations of SLBMs. And if necessary, there is a "double-barreled shotgun" with PU under the R-30 / R-30UTTX. Why are you not a threat to the United Kingdom? 12 BBs will never be redundant on their heads.
            1. Bashkirkhan
              Bashkirkhan April 2 2020 13: 23 New
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              As they wrote, the deep modernization of one Shark is comparable in cost to the construction of two new submarines of project 955A. Therefore, it is an irrational undertaking. PC LK and so on. etc. Submarines pr.941 are made of AK steel, ferrotitanium alloy is used only for alloying. As well as the PC 667BDR. You know, only cognac seems to get better (and more expensive) from time to time. This does not apply to ships. I will not argue with you, this is my personal opinion.
    2. Malyuta
      Malyuta April 2 2020 09: 40 New
      +7
      Quote: svp67
      That's just the production of the Kyrgyz Republic will have to be increased, since it has become such a "hot commodity"

      The main thing is to identify the points of the dugouts and wait for the month of May and the May decrees, although April theses may be updated again by May.
  3. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD April 2 2020 09: 30 New
    +1
    Well, thank God . Well, at least not for scrapping or in a sedimentation tank. Boats are not old, will serve the country's good
  4. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins April 2 2020 09: 31 New
    +1
    I never even suspected that there are ships like the screensaver !!
    Well, I’m a land person, I’m excusable)))
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 2 2020 09: 38 New
      -1
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      I never even suspected that there are ships like the screensaver !!

      In the sense? I have never seen how something similar is transported along the Dnieper upstream ships? From Nikolaev
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins April 2 2020 09: 43 New
        0
        I crossed the Dnieper in my life only twenty times. And then over the bridges. I saw pleasure boats, and the larger one only on the Black Sea and very far away. It seems they were tankers and bulk carriers. But they seemed like a damn thing on the horizon. As in the game "sea battle"))) laughing
        1. svp67
          svp67 April 2 2020 10: 01 New
          0
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          I crossed the Dnieper in my life only twenty times.

          I was more fortunate to live on its shore, so I saw ..
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          As in the game "sea battle")))

          Yes, I remember hottie was popular. I remember I could "hang" on it for a long time ...
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa April 2 2020 12: 49 New
      +8
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      I never even suspected that there are ships like the screensaver !!

      Nazari! This is not the worst thing. There are more terrible pictures:
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 2 2020 16: 00 New
      +3
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      I never even suspected that there are ships like the screensaver !!
      Well, I’m a land person, I’m excusable)))

      The worst thing is that this vessel was originally called the Trans-Shelf and was built by the Finns for the USSR. But in 1997 it was first leased, and then it surfaced already as the property of the Dutch company Dockwise Shipping.
  5. askort154
    askort154 April 2 2020 09: 56 New
    -1
    In 2014, with the help of a lighter carrier, the submarines were transported along the Northern Sea Route to the Murmansk Region ....
    ... Initially, it was supposed to carry out repairs and modernization in Kamchatka, but there are no ship repair enterprises that can cope with the tasks.


    Therefore, they decided to build a repair plant in the village of Dikson
    (Father Dixon). What we were discussing the day before yesterday. yes
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 2 2020 10: 02 New
      -1
      Quote: askort154
      So we decided to build a repair plant in the village of Dikson

      Well, yes, the Star is now working more on other ships
      1. Grits
        Grits April 2 2020 15: 00 New
        +1
        Quote: svp67
        Well, yes, the Star is now working more on other ships

        And the plant in Komsomolsk also degraded and sank to Karakut
  6. Rokossovsky
    Rokossovsky April 2 2020 10: 14 New
    -1

    Initially, it was planned to carry out repairs and modernization in Kamchatka, but there are no ship repair enterprises that can cope with the tasks.

    It took 12 years to understand this? belay
  7. Rambam
    Rambam April 2 2020 10: 15 New
    -5
    Sawn on metal
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova April 2 2020 10: 44 New
      -1
      you just sawed off one place)))
  8. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 2 2020 10: 18 New
    +1
    If under the "Caliber" then put Universal containers for Onyx, Caliber, Zircon?
    1. bayard
      bayard April 2 2020 12: 40 New
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      No . They will simply upgrade the launch and charging equipment and will launch through the torpedo tube.
      As before, they launched the KR "Granat" with nuclear warheads. All "Pike-B" had several such CDs on board.
      Onyx and Zircons are unlikely to be, although through TA caliber 650 mm. this is possible in principle ... but hardly rational (it is necessary to specifically create a separate modification of such ammunition to start via TA).
      The "Pike-B" ammunition in 40 torpedoes and missiles:
      - 12 pcs. heavy long-range 650 mm.
      - 28 pcs. - classic 533 mm. caliber.

      For comparison, the “Varshavyanka” BC has only 18 torpedoes and a 533 mm caliber KR.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek April 2 2020 13: 40 New
        -1
        I realized that they are dismantling the main overhead pu
        1. bayard
          bayard April 2 2020 14: 48 New
          0
          There is nothing to dismantle - these are multipurpose nuclear submarines and they only have torpedo tubes. But these TA are two calibers:
          - 2 pcs. 650 mm. (On top of the nose).
          - 4 things. in the second row 533 mm.
          Through them, launches are carried out.
          And the KR, and torpedoes.
          Even with the union, these nuclear submarines were armed with the KR Grenade (dad Caliber) with nuclear warheads. Usually 4 pcs. on board, but could be more. Now, simply instead of the “Pomegranate”, which has long been out of service, there will be “Caliber”, and possibly in larger quantities than the “Pomegranate”.
          KR at "Pike-B" are in the same ammunition, like torpedoes. They will not invent anything new for them. They will simply repair the boat, adapt it for new ammunition (mainly control equipment, pre-launch testing, target designation \ introduction of a flight mission, etc.), train the crew on the way.
          The caliber from the Pomegranate is not very different - the same engine, the same dimensions, range. That's just the warhead of the Pomegranate was only nuclear, and the Caliber may have options ... including a supersonic anti-ship. But JBCH is not excluded.
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft April 2 2020 18: 19 New
            0
            Quote: bayard
            There is nothing to dismantle - these are multipurpose nuclear submarines and they only have torpedo tubes. But these TA are two calibers:
            - 2 pcs. 650 mm. (On top of the nose).
            - 4 things. in the second row 533 mm.

            By no means.
            The torpedo-missile system consists of 4 TA 533 mm caliber and 4 650 mm caliber vehicles (total ammunition - 40 weapons, including 28 533 mm). It is adapted for firing of KR “Granat”, underwater missile torpedoes (“Wind”, “Flurry” and “Waterfall”) and missiles, self-transporting mines and torpedoes. In addition, the submarine is capable of staging conventional mines. Fire control when using cruise missiles "Granat" is carried out by hardware special. complex.

            https://topwar.ru/17974-atomnye-torpednye-i-mnogocelevye-podvodnye-lodki-proekt-971.html
  9. rudolff
    rudolff April 2 2020 10: 23 New
    10
    My country ... Boats of 15-20 years in anticipation of repairs and repairs. Moreover, no one is particularly surprised. They look for granted. During this time, it was possible to build a new ship repair center, to prepare all the necessary specialists, including engineers, and to repair all ships long ago. The degree of our degradation is simply amazing.
    And with TransShelf DS interesting. This is our ship until the early 2000s. They sold it. Now this same ship is regularly hired, we pay big money to transport our boats, ships, drilling platforms. We hire because we do not have other similar vessels. I understand that someone warmed his hands on this deal, but where were they looking at the top?
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa April 2 2020 12: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: rudolff
      someone warmed his hands on this deal, but where were they looking at the top?

      Rudolph, welcome, friend!
      In the 2000s, liberoids sold everything that could be done with the blessing of the "top." And the "tops" apparently were in proportion. It’s like the “metalworkers” who were looking for iron-copper, sawed and dragged everything for sale ... only they had state scales.
      1. rudolff
        rudolff April 2 2020 13: 25 New
        +3
        Hello, Boa constrictor! So all this bacchanalia has not stopped now! The only difference is that there is not much left for sale other than raw materials.
    2. Looking for
      Looking for April 2 2020 14: 40 New
      -2
      IN THE POCKET OF AN ORDINARY RUSSIAN THEY LOOK.
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 2 2020 16: 05 New
      +3
      Quote: rudolff
      I understand that on this transaction someone warmed his hands, but where did they look at the top?

      In 1997 year?
      1. rudolff
        rudolff April 2 2020 19: 50 New
        +1
        In the 97th, it was only rented out. And they sold it in 2004.
  10. Tusv
    Tusv April 2 2020 10: 25 New
    -3
    Not well. We with the strategists seem to be almost all right. And with the hunters it’s not very good. So the news is quite tasty
  11. Old26
    Old26 April 2 2020 11: 19 New
    +4
    Quote: Zaurbek
    If under the "Caliber" then put Universal containers for Onyx, Caliber, Zircon?

    May not deliver. In general, are they universal submarine launchers? Most likely the boat will be able to fire missiles through the TA. And this means that there will be no talk of any Zircons and Onyxes.
    1. rudolff
      rudolff April 2 2020 13: 30 New
      +2
      Theoretically, you can put vertical PU Ash, but this body must be cut, the missile compartment done. Nobody will bother with this for sure. So purely Caliber and through TA. But that would be nice too. It looks like they saved on Boar and Caliber.
  12. alma
    alma April 2 2020 11: 36 New
    +1
    Maybe hands will reach the “long-term construction” at the NEA - there is still an unfinished building there yes
    1. rudolff
      rudolff April 2 2020 13: 41 New
      +1
      Head N519 Irbis personally showed Putin on Amursky when he was prime minister, asked to finance the completion. Readiness at that time was 60%. It flew into one ear, flew out of the other. Fleet him on the drum. Marinate a little and cut into metal.
  13. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith April 2 2020 11: 56 New
    -2
    It's good. Two more "Sharks" are going to remake, and were going to cut these unique submarines into needles.
  14. cherkas.oe
    cherkas.oe April 2 2020 12: 04 New
    0
    It is hard to believe in these rainbow reports, no matter how they were eventually drank, given all the vicissitudes of their being. In the sense of “Samara” and “Bratsk”.
  15. IC
    IC April 2 2020 15: 42 New
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    It turns out that there was insufficient funding for the repair and modernization of boats in fat financial times. What will happen now? The feasibility, infinitely long repair of boats built 80-90x, in such conditions is doubtful.
  16. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey April 2 2020 19: 38 New
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    Quote: IMS
    It turns out that there was insufficient funding for the repair and modernization of boats in fat financial times. What will happen now? The feasibility, infinitely long repair of boats built 80-90x, in such conditions is doubtful.

    Mlyn, it’s cheaper to carry out modernization than to build new ones, the slipways are already occupied !!!
  17. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey April 2 2020 19: 45 New
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    Quote: svp67
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    I never even suspected that there are ships like the screensaver !!

    In the sense? I have never seen how something similar is transported along the Dnieper upstream ships? From Nikolaev

    You yourself saw what they are doing on the Volga, the Dnieper is resting
  18. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey April 2 2020 19: 59 New
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    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    I never even suspected that there are ships like the screensaver !!
    Well, I’m a land person, I’m excusable)))

    young, not experienced, "Buran" you know such a name, but "Mriya", an airplane that you were ready to help put into orbit of "Buran"? !!! two links to you:
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%BD-225
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD_(%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D1%8C)
    1. 16329
      16329 April 2 2020 22: 10 New
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      No, just to transport Buran to Baikonur,
      Buran was launched using the Energy rocket
  19. Pavel57
    Pavel57 April 2 2020 22: 18 New
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    About this talk repair about 10 years.
  20. Radikal
    Radikal April 2 2020 22: 42 New
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    Quote: antivirus
    what happiness, you can get cons for upgrading submarines
    ANOTHER 2 LITTLE SPOONS IN THE ENDLESS BARREL OF RUSSIA'S POWER.
    no minuser will give his money (like the Second World War) "for the construction of the mighty Navy of the Russian Federation"

    Who? sad
  21. Vladimir SHajkin
    Vladimir SHajkin April 3 2020 18: 16 New
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    Today seems 2020 or am I mistaken?
  22. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey April 4 2020 16: 55 New
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    Quote: 16329
    No, just to transport Buran to Baikonur,
    Buran was launched using the Energy rocket

    You read my links. or how do you poke a woodpecker?
  23. Pavel57
    Pavel57 April 7 2020 21: 30 New
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    Do boats carry lighters now?
  24. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 April 27 2020 18: 12 New
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    Well then, immediately under the "Zircon"