Two nuclear submarines of the Pacific Fleet will be redone for new cruise missiles

It is planned to remake two nuclear submarines of the Pacific fleet under new cruise missiles. It is assumed that their repair and reconstruction will begin in the second half of 2020.

About this news agency TASS said a source working in the defense industry.

We are talking about the submarines "Bratsk" and "Samara" project 971 "Pike-B". After the alteration, they will be able to use the Caliber cruise missiles. In addition, an average repair of submarines will be carried out.

Work will take place at the Zvezdochka ship repair center. The press service of the ship repair company did not comment on information about submarines.

Waiting for repairs for Bratsk and Samara has been ongoing since 2008. In 2014, the submarines were transported by lighter carrier along the Northern Sea Route to the Murmansk Region.

Repair is expected to last from 3 to 5 years. The duration of the work depends on how they are financed.

Initially, it was planned to carry out repairs and modernization in Kamchatka, but there are no ship repair enterprises that can cope with the tasks.

The nuclear submarine Bratsk became part of the fleet in 1989. Samara is a bit “younger”, it has been in operation since 1995.

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[newcomer]

The Bratsk and Samara were repaired. Let's hope for proper funding and early return to service.

[Malyuta]

Quote: newbie

The Bratsk and Samara were repaired. Let's hope for proper funding and early return to service.

An interesting detail from the article.

Waiting for repairs for Bratsk and Samara lasts from 2008 year. In 2014 year submarines using a lighter carrier transported along the Northern Sea Route to the Murmansk region.

Now 2020 is in the yard and again the crisis .. Or maybe it’s just a year of weight-bearing?
Impressive repair speed 12 + 5 = 17 - again a jerk, but this is not accurate.

[newcomer]

There was no repair like that. It will begin, I hope this year.

[Bashkirkhan]

Quote: Malyuta

Impressive repair speed 12 + 5 = 17 - again a jerk, but this is not accurate.

K-391 "Bratsk" arrived in 2003 at the OJSC "North-Eastern Repair Center" in Vilyuchinsk and was in the water area of ​​the enterprise awaiting repair. The contract for the execution of repairs based on the technical condition with the extension of the overhaul period was concluded between the Ministry of Defense and the enterprise in 2011. However, the contract was canceled, including due to the degradation of the shipyard (problems with personnel) and the lack of a part of the equipment to be repaired on the ship, due to its dismantling by personnel prior to deployment for use on other MAPLs of this project. 2014 "Bratsk" and K-391 "Samara" were transported by the Dutch company on the dock ship "Transshelf" (for the USSR Transshelf was built by Finland, then it was sold to the Dutch) from the Far East to Severodvinsk by the Northern Sea Route in order to repair and modernize them on pr 295M at the Zvezdochka Ship Repair Center JSC, as well as two similar submarines of the Northern Fleet: Leopard and Wolf. But after troubleshooting, they just stand at the wall of the enterprise, waiting for being put into the boathouse, which will take place not earlier than the withdrawal of the Leopard or the Wolf + there is information about the possible leasing of India K-971 Samara sell, yeah). K-295 "Bratsk" of 391, the ship is more than 1989 years old, of which 30 years it is not running. The modernization will take seven years, the same "Leopard" in modernization since 17 and the end of the region.

[Alexey from Perm]

unfortunately, it seems to be true (((

[TermNachTer]

Well, the time has come to put them back in operation. Otkapitalyat and still serve, in a new quality.

[Alexey from Perm]

10 years have to wait ..

[newcomer]

Wait ... I hope for 5/6.

[TermNachTer]

And what, Russia ends in 10 years?

[Alexey from Perm]

In Russia, gagging and indifference will never end

[TermNachTer]

You want to say that these are purely Russian character traits? I assure you, the mess and stupidity is enough everywhere. And in Ukraine, greed, impudence, and meanness are superimposed on these traits.

[Alexey from Perm]

Well, Ukraine and I are like two brothers. We have the same problems. Maybe a little more order, but that's not for sure ..

[TermNachTer]

You have more or less order, it’s just a huge country - it is seen poorly. Ukraine is much smaller, because it is clearly seen that the glove box and corruption are flourishing.

[antivirus]

what happiness, you can get cons for upgrading submarines
ANOTHER 2 LITTLE SPOONS IN THE ENDLESS BARREL OF RUSSIA'S POWER.
not a single miner will give their money (like the Second World War) "for the construction of the mighty Russian Navy"

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: antivirus

no minuser will give his money

You are an interesting person, but you gave your money back? .... no then oh))

[antivirus]

I mean the situation "everything for the front, everything for Victory."
not 13%.
who needs "7 Leaders (100 thousand TVI each -) - pay for your Wishlist, IN ADDITION TO THE MO BUDGET, it is honorable to be in the same company with Shoigu and VVP.
but the "bad majority" (almost aggressively obedient) for the fulfillment of the federal budget and no more
- my opinion is that the Kremlin knows better what to cut and what to build in the first and third turn

[Rzzz]

Quote: antivirus

not a single miner will give their money (like the Second World War) "for the construction of the mighty Russian Navy"

So we give back. From each salary 13%, from each purchase in the store 20%, from each refueling the car an additional 16,5%, and another 18 rubles 45 kopecks for each liter of gasoline poured into the tank. Then, almost half the price of each car brought from abroad, and much more. We give most of our pension contributions to the state.
According to estimates, the average person with each earned 1000 rubles gives the state 400-500 rubles.
But something this money goes to all garbage. On submarines does not remain.

[antivirus]

I mean the situation "everything for the front, everything for Victory."
not 13%.
who needs "7 Leaders (100 thousand TVI each -) - pay for your Wishlist, IN ADDITION TO THE MO BUDGET, it is honorable to be in the same company with Shoigu and VVP.
but the "bad majority" (almost aggressively obedient) for the fulfillment of the federal budget and no more
- my opinion is that the Kremlin knows better what to cut and what to build in the first and third turn
The submarines must be kept as well as mechanical ventilation devices + isolated boxes during the entire life of the hospital

[Rzzz]

Quote: antivirus

TVI -) - pay for your Wishlist, in addition to the budget of the MO,

Well, the budget of the Ministry of Defense should be spent on it FIRST. On beautiful leather chairs in the meeting room (at the price of a couple thousand euros each) and Mercedes for generals (let them ride in UAZs, they’re military men), in the tenth turn. A terrible green church in Kubinka should not be spent at all. But we have something, on the contrary, priorities are set.

[antivirus]

however, the Minister of Defense is Shoigu, and in the Kremlin, Putin
they sign BUDGET - this is sacred.
others will set their own priorities - you to them?
that something and "others" will not do according to your "wishes"

[svp67]

Two nuclear submarines of the Pacific Fleet will be redone for new cruise missiles

Wow ... "not even a year has passed," it's high time, like the last "Shark" under the CD to modernize. But the production of CD will have to be increased, since it has become such a "hot commodity"

[newcomer]

They want a "shark" for an experimental testing laboratory.

[svp67]

Quote: newbie

They want a "shark" for an experimental testing laboratory.

"Wishlist" can be changed. Just what is her POTENTIAL for placing these "gifts"

[newcomer]

Naturally. But, in my opinion, the decision has already been made. The canned Sharks shouldn't have been written off. It was said that their condition is not so hot_ restoration is expensive, but go and find the best carrier for "Caliber".

[svp67]

Quote: newbie

It was said that their condition is not so hot restoration is expensive,

Especially when they pay for it here and now with "not a ringing green coin"

Quote: newbie

but go find the best carrier for "Caliber".

And under the "Zircons"

[newcomer]

I agree, but I would like to see "Zircon" in the first place on the surface fleet.

[Grits]

Quote: svp67

And under the "Zircons"

There is no point under Zircons. For Zircon is a weapon for destroying the ships of a strong and insidious enemy - the NATO fleet and their allies. And the Shark is not that fresh and not that stealthy to compete with modern NATO ships. But to go to the shore and scare some barmaley or disobedient "dictators" of some banana republic or a little larger - that's it. And here Gauges are the best argument. And if there are a lot of them on the carrier (which can be a Shark), then the argument turns out to be hefty and formidable and intelligible.

[bayard]

Quote: newbie

Sharks shouldn't have been written off.

What was to be done with them? There were no rockets for them. "Bark" did not go, due to the fact that Pavlograd (where the 1st and 2nd stages were supposed to be built, as they had previously built for the Typhoon) and Dnepropetrovsk (where without YuMZ in the 90s \ early zero in the solid fuel theme) ended up within the borders of another state.
"Blue" \ "Liner" stick into it? It will be too spacious for such a compact rocket in a huge launch cup. And it is irrational.
"Bulava" is also too small for such a whopper - an excessive buoyancy of hundreds of tons is formed (up to a thousand) from an excessively floating nuclear submarine.
Of course it was a pity to write off such beauty and perfection, but the content of these monsters (absolutely without any benefit to the Navy and the state) was simply enchantingly expensive.
And KR is also not an option for them, as weapons, all for the same reason as our "slim" SLBMs - underload.
Even if it is possible to tamp not 7 (like in Ohio), but 10 KR into the launch cups of the "Shark" ... let's say "Caliber" (weight about 2 tons), or "Onyx" \ "Zircon" (weight about 4 tons ), then one loaded glass will have 20 - 40 \ 25 - 45 tons. Instead of the standard 80 tons.
Underload in 700 - 1200 tons, and this is for the nuclear submarine, which was called a water carrier ... But the most important thing, then - in the late 90s / early XNUMXs there was neither Bulava, nor KR "Caliber".
And more about the price and money - repairs and modernization of such a nuclear submarine as "Shark" will cost the cost of construction ... one and a half, or even two new "Boreev".
So now it’s wiser to pull out 40-year-old boats from the sludge, strain KB and industry with preparing the project, preparing the dock (how long will it take ), fault detection, ordering spare parts and equipment that has not been produced for decades ... Or simply build 2 (TWO!) Borei-K class nuclear submarines with 112 cruise missiles on board each with the same money.
New ones.
Extremely low noise.
According to the existing SERIAL (!) Project.
Without violence against industry, design personnel and common sense.
Which option would you choose?
So Shoigu chose the right one, saying that after the laying of the last Boreyev-A in the series (now there will be like 12 of them), 4 (first 2, then 2 more) carriers of the Borey-K CD will be laid.
And if you consider that the cost of the serial "Borey-A" is about 2 (!) Times CHEAPER than the construction of the serial "Ash-M" ... with the development of this project by the industry, with minimal changes in the project for the Kyrgyz Republic ... Yes, this is just a brilliant decision.
And nothing will stop us from expanding the Borey-K series to 8 units. - 4 pcs. to the Pacific Fleet and Northern Fleet. Replaced "Batons".

And "Sharks" ... it's a pity to cut ... ... of them to do museums and attractions.
- in Primorye.
- S. Petersburg.
- Sevastopol or Novorossiysk (if they pass into the straits).

And to educate in the younger generations PRIDE (!!!) for the accomplishments of their ancestors and the desire to do no less in their lives.

[newcomer]

I agree with you, correctly described. But when else will we have such a carrier? If desired, it would be possible to save and arm it with diverse missiles.

[bayard]

Yes, there are already these boats. They are not ready for a long time. They just stand in the crap. They kind of even got the lids of the mines here. Resuscitating them is utopia. And it’s very expensive.
But the museums from them will turn out just ... deafening.
And drive the kids.
Organize classes inside ... at least for the same cadets / Nakhimov students.

[Grits]

Quote: bayard

And "Sharks" ... it's a pity to cut ...

With all that you have described, you can agree with you. Quite reasonable arguments. But ... My hand would not rise. I just remember standing on the side of the aft horizontal rudder of the Shark and admiring the power ...

[bayard]

Quote: Gritsa

But ... My hand would not rise.

But who will rise to such a hand!
Unless the enemy.
As combat units, "Sharks" no longer exist, but they could still serve as museums. Remember when "Dmitry Donskoy" went through the Baltic to the naval parade in St. Petersburg ... All of Europe was envious! This lyalechka simply suppressed with its power!
Therefore, I proposed to transform three such nuclear submarines into a museum \ training center \ attraction (for tourists):
- in Primorye (Vladivostok).
- in St. Petersburg.
- in Novorossiysk, if it is possible to agree with the Turks on the passage of the straits (in Sevastopol such a whopper is unlikely to be a place).
Patriotism (LOVE FOR THE MOTHERLAND) should be brought up from a young age, from childhood ... on VISUAL examples of the accomplishments of glorious ancestors.

[16329]

If you would like to write the original name of Petersburg (Goland

[Bashkirkhan]

Quote: svp67

Just what is her POTENTIAL for placing these "gifts"

Strategic-purpose submarine TK-208, launched 40 years ago, you're probably joking. He has the potential for disposal only.

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

He has the potential for disposal only.

from here on in more detail, what is your statement based on?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

TK-208, launched 40 years ago, you are probably joking. He has the potential for disposal only.

Colleague, you were in a hurry to write off our "monster"!

At PO "Sevmash" from 1998 to 26.06.2002, SSBN TK-208 was reequipped, previously modernized according to project 941U / UTTKh - 2 launchers were installed for testing Bulava missiles in the bow of the ship, equipment was modernized.

PC at "Dm. Donskoy" is made of steel with titanium additives, corrosion-resistant. The modernization base allows you to put a new "filling". The upgraded silos will continue to be used to test new generations of SLBMs. And if necessary, there is a "double-barreled" gun with a launcher under the R-30 / R-30UTTH. Isn't that a threat to the United Kingdom? 12 BBs on their heads will never be superfluous.

[Bashkirkhan]

As they wrote, the deep modernization of one Shark is comparable in cost to the construction of two new submarines of project 955A. Therefore, it is an irrational undertaking. PC LK and so on. etc. Submarines pr.941 are made of AK steel, ferrotitanium alloy is used only for alloying. As well as the PC 667BDR. You know, only cognac seems to get better (and more expensive) from time to time. This does not apply to ships. I will not argue with you, this is my personal opinion.

[Malyuta]

Quote: svp67

But the production of CD will have to be increased, since it has become such a "hot commodity"

The main thing is to identify the points of the dugouts and wait for the month of May and the May decrees, although April theses may be updated again by May.

[KVU-NSVD]

Well, thank God . Well, at least not for scrapping or in a sedimentation tank. Boats are not old, will serve the country's good

[The leader of the Redskins]

I never even suspected that there are ships like the screensaver !!
Well, I’m a land person, I’m excusable)))

[svp67]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

I never even suspected that there are ships like the screensaver !!

In the sense? I have never seen how something similar is transported along the Dnieper upstream ships? From Nikolaev

[The leader of the Redskins]

I crossed the Dnieper in my life only twenty times. And then over the bridges. I saw walking steamers, and a larger one - only on the Black Sea and very far away. It seems they were tankers and bulk carriers. But they seemed so damn on the horizon. As in the game "sea battle")))

[svp67]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

I crossed the Dnieper in my life only twenty times.

I was more fortunate to live on its shore, so I saw ..

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

As in the game "sea battle")))

Yes, I remember the hotties were popular. I remember I could "hang" on it for a long time ...

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

I never even suspected that there are ships like the screensaver !!

Nazarius! This is not the worst thing. There are worse pictures:

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

I never even suspected that there are ships like the screensaver !!
Well, I’m a land person, I’m excusable)))

The worst thing is that this ship was originally called "Transhelf" and was built by the Finns for the USSR. But in 1997 it was first rented out, and then it surfaced as the property of the Dutch company Dockwise Shipping.

[askort154]

In 2014, with the help of a lighter carrier, the submarines were transported along the Northern Sea Route to the Murmansk Region ....
... Initially, it was supposed to carry out repairs and modernization in Kamchatka, but there are no ship repair enterprises that can cope with the tasks.

Therefore, they decided to build a repair plant in the village of Dikson
(Father Dixon). What we were discussing the day before yesterday.

[svp67]

Quote: askort154

So we decided to build a repair plant in the village of Dikson

Well, yes, "Zvezda" now works more on other ships

[Grits]

Quote: svp67

Well, yes, "Zvezda" now works more on other ships

And the plant in Komsomolsk also degraded and sank to Karakut

[Rokossovsky]

Initially, it was planned to carry out repairs and modernization in Kamchatka, but there are no ship repair enterprises that can cope with the tasks.

It took 12 years to understand this?

[Rambam]

Sawn on metal

[Nastia makarova]

you just sawed off one place)))

[Zaurbek]

If for "Caliber" then they will put Universal containers for Onyx, Caliber, Zircon?

[bayard]

No . They will simply upgrade the launch and charging equipment and will launch through the torpedo tube.
As before, the "Granat" missile launcher with nuclear warheads was also launched. All Shchuki-Bs had several such cruise missiles on board.
"Onyxes" and "Zircons" are unlikely to be, although through a TA caliber 650 mm. this is possible in principle ... but hardly rational (you will have to specially create a separate modification of such ammunition to start through the TA).
The "Shchuka-B" has 40 torpedoes and missile launchers:
- 12 pcs. heavy long-range 650 mm.
- 28 pcs. - classic 533 mm. caliber.

For comparison, the "Varshavyanka" BK has only 18 torpedoes and a cruiser with a caliber of 533 mm.

[Zaurbek]

I realized that they are dismantling the main overhead pu

[bayard]

There is nothing to dismantle - these are multipurpose nuclear submarines and they only have torpedo tubes. But these TA are two calibers:
- 2 pcs. 650 mm. (On top of the nose).
- 4 things. in the second row 533 mm.
Through them, launches are carried out.
And the KR, and torpedoes.
These nuclear submarines, even during the union, were armed with the "Granat" (daddy "Caliber") with nuclear warheads. Usually 4 pcs. on board, but there could have been more. Now, instead of the "Grenade", which has long been out of service, there will be "Calibers", and possibly in greater quantities than "Grenades".
KR from "Shchuka-B" are in the same ammunition stowage, as well as torpedoes. They will not invent anything new for them. They will simply repair the boat, adapt it for new ammunition (mainly control equipment, prelaunch testing, target designation / introduction of a flight mission, etc.), train the crew and go.
The caliber from the Pomegranate is not very different - the same engine, the same dimensions, range. That's just the warhead of the Pomegranate was only nuclear, and the Caliber may have options ... including a supersonic anti-ship. But JBCH is not excluded.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: bayard

There is nothing to dismantle - these are multipurpose nuclear submarines and they only have torpedo tubes. But these TA are two calibers:
- 2 pcs. 650 mm. (On top of the nose).
- 4 things. in the second row 533 mm.

By no means.

The torpedo-missile system consists of 4 TA 533 mm caliber and 4 650 mm caliber vehicles (total ammunition - 40 weapons, including 28 533 mm). It is adapted for firing of KR “Granat”, underwater missile torpedoes (“Wind”, “Flurry” and “Waterfall”) and missiles, self-transporting mines and torpedoes. In addition, the submarine is capable of staging conventional mines. Fire control when using cruise missiles "Granat" is carried out by hardware special. complex.

https://topwar.ru/17974-atomnye-torpednye-i-mnogocelevye-podvodnye-lodki-proekt-971.html

[Boa kaa]

Quote from rudolf

someone warmed his hands on this deal, but where were they looking at the top?

Rudolph, welcome, friend!
In the 2000s, liberoids sold everything they could with the blessing of the "top". And the "tops" were apparently in the share. It's like "metalworkers" who were looking for iron and copper, sawing and dragging everything for sale ... only they had a state scale.

[Looking for]

IN THE POCKET OF AN ORDINARY RUSSIAN THEY LOOK.

[Alexey RA]

Quote from rudolf

I understand that on this transaction someone warmed his hands, but where did they look at the top?

In 1997 year?

[Tusv]

Not well. We with the strategists seem to be almost all right. And with the hunters it’s not very good. So the news is quite tasty

[Old26]

Quote: Zaurbek

If for "Caliber" then they will put Universal containers for Onyx, Caliber, Zircon?

They may not deliver. In general, are they universal launchers for submarines? Most likely the boat will be able to fire missiles through the TA. This means that there will be no talk of any "Zircons" and "Onyxes"

[soul]

Maybe hands will reach the "long-term construction" at the ASZ - there is still an unfinished building

[Lord of the Sith]

It's good. Two more "Sharks" are going to remake, and they were going to cut these unique submarines on needles.

[cherkas.oe]

It is hard to believe in these rosy reports, no matter how they end up drank, given all the vicissitudes of their existence. In the sense of "Samara" and "Bratsk".

[IC]

It turns out that there was insufficient funding for the repair and modernization of boats in fat financial times. What will happen now? The feasibility, infinitely long repair of boats built 80-90x, in such conditions is doubtful.

[lvov_aleksey]

Quote: IMS

It turns out that there was insufficient funding for the repair and modernization of boats in fat financial times. What will happen now? The feasibility, infinitely long repair of boats built 80-90x, in such conditions is doubtful.

Mlyn, it’s cheaper to carry out modernization than to build new ones, the slipways are already occupied !!!

[lvov_aleksey]

Quote: svp67

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

I never even suspected that there are ships like the screensaver !!

In the sense? I have never seen how something similar is transported along the Dnieper upstream ships? From Nikolaev

You yourself saw what they are doing on the Volga, the Dnieper is resting

[lvov_aleksey]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

I never even suspected that there are ships like the screensaver !!
Well, I’m a land person, I’m excusable)))

young, not experienced, "Buran" is the name you know, but "Mriya", the plane that were ready to help put into orbit "Buran"? !!! you two links:
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%BD-225
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD_(%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D1%8C)

[16329]

No, just to transport Buran to Baikonur,
Buran was launched using the Energy rocket

[Pavel57]

About this talk repair about 10 years.

[Radical]

Quote: antivirus

what happiness, you can get cons for upgrading submarines
ANOTHER 2 LITTLE SPOONS IN THE ENDLESS BARREL OF RUSSIA'S POWER.
not a single miner will give their money (like the Second World War) "for the construction of the mighty Russian Navy"

Who?

[Vladimir SHajkin]

Today seems 2020 or am I mistaken?

[lvov_aleksey]

Quote: 16329

No, just to transport Buran to Baikonur,
Buran was launched using the Energy rocket

You read my links. or how do you poke a woodpecker?

[Pavel57]

Do boats carry lighters now?

[Chaldon48]

Then it would be immediately under the "Zircon"