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China began exporting a clone of American Javelin ATGM

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China began exporting a clone of American Javelin ATGM

China has begun exporting a “clone” of the American Javelin ATGM, the domestic anti-tank complex HJ-12 Red Arrow. According to the portal defenseworld.net, the Chinese corporation Norinco announced the implementation of the first export contract for the supply of anti-tank systems.


Norinco delivered containers of missiles to a foreign customer last week, according to the planned shipment date, as the customer urgently needed missiles. This is the first export of anti-tank weapons 3rd generation developed by a Chinese company

- the company said in a statement, while it did not say which country purchased the Chinese complexes.

Materials on the new anti-tank complex HJ-12 were first presented at the Eurosatory exhibition, held in France at the end of June 2014. At the same time, according to representatives of the Chinese defense industry, by the time of the first demonstration at the international exhibition, the promising ATGM had already entered serial production.

It should be noted that the complex HJ-12 Red Arrow even looks similar to the American ATGM FGM-148 Javelin. In an embodiment for use by infantry units, the Chinese-made system is a transport and launch container with characteristic large end caps and a unit of equipment for searching for targets and aiming. The rocket is launched from the shoulder, as when using anti-tank rocket launchers.

According to Jane's, the weight of the transport launch container (TPK) with the HJ-12 rocket is approximately 17 kilograms. The total weight of the complex (container and equipment block) is 22 kg. The length of the container is 1,25 m, the diameter is about 170-180 mm. The guidance system is automatic (fired - forgot). The defeat of the target can go along two trajectories: in the side (frontal) projection or from above. The missile of the HJ-12 complex carries a tandem cumulative warhead. Representatives of the NORINCO company claim that this product is capable of piercing up to 1100 mm of homogeneous steel armor, covered by dynamic protection.
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  1. Vadim777
    Vadim777 April 1 2020 11: 38 New
    +2
    It’s time for us to take over the experience of copying from the Chinese ...
    1. cniza
      cniza April 1 2020 11: 45 New
      +6
      Why copy, study, and take all the good things, but do your thing.
      1. Vadim777
        Vadim777 April 1 2020 11: 47 New
        +4
        Don’t call it, he is needed in the Russian army
        1. Shurik70
          Shurik70 April 1 2020 21: 32 New
          0
          And how do Americans react to this, why is it not said?
          laughing
      2. SHURUM -BURUM
        SHURUM -BURUM April 1 2020 12: 27 New
        +7
        Why copy
        Как в анекдоте, - Важен процесс, а не результат. Да, и чтобы он длился подольше. Снова строить и доводить до ума собственные узкоколейки, - это любимая позиция пилильщиков. О том, что Джавелин атакует сверху, было известно еще 15 лет назад! Давно можно было взять все хорошее, утвердить толковое ТЗ и за 15 лет разработать. Раньше на кульманах с калькулятором "Феликс", а то и логарифмической линейкой разрабатывали, быстро и надежно, потому, что understood what they were doing. And now hung up with programs, simulators. Step to the right, step to the left of the program and no one knows what is happening. Programmers forgot the assembler, with this approach they will soon forget the multiplication table. In short, well done, the Chinese. They do not ask the enemy for permission to copy, but use someone else's expensive results without the cost of their own research.
    2. svp67
      svp67 April 1 2020 11: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: Vadim777
      It’s time for us to take over the experience of copying from the Chinese ...

      It is necessary to remember and apply YOURSELF ...
      And the Chinese are GOOD. Spit on everyone and everything, for their own benefit
      Но, что то мне кажется, что их ПТРК чуть покрупнее "Джавелина", да и удар наносит не сверху
      1. Vadim777
        Vadim777 April 1 2020 11: 47 New
        +1
        Who could remember something, no longer remember, a new generation of technicians is needed which is not
      2. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I April 1 2020 15: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: svp67
        Но, что то мне кажется, что их ПТРК чуть покрупнее "Джавелина", да и удар наносит не сверху

        Предположительно, "калибр" ,,китайца"-130 мм супротив 127 мм "джавелина"... Возможность атаки с верху имеется...
    3. Igoresha
      Igoresha April 1 2020 12: 24 New
      +1
      покупать оригинал у китайцев надо, отбросив в сторону тн. "советскую гордость" и дешевле будет нежели из китайских же деталей собирать и коробочка красивая
    4. Cowbra
      Cowbra April 1 2020 12: 33 New
      0
      Quote: Vadim777
      It’s time for us to take over the experience of copying from the Chinese ...

      It has been saying this for a long time. At least in relation to countries that do not cooperate with us in principle. England and the USA, for example.
    5. 4ekist
      4ekist April 1 2020 13: 37 New
      0
      That's right, copy their principle and make it even better.
    6. Ros 56
      Ros 56 April 1 2020 14: 26 New
      -1
      And what do we have, our ATGMs are not available, to hell are weird ideas?
    7. RUSS
      RUSS April 1 2020 20: 15 New
      0
      Quote: Vadim777
      It’s time for us to take over the experience of copying from the Chinese ...

      So the USSR at an early stage copied weapons, so the Chinese are not the first.
  2. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov April 1 2020 11: 47 New
    +1
    Cool! Only the Chinese scored a bolt on everyone!
  3. Azazelo
    Azazelo April 1 2020 11: 49 New
    +5
    Where is the expert opinion of Sokha about the fact that Chinese javelin is better than American ???
    1. Tusv
      Tusv April 1 2020 12: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: Azazelo
      Where is the expert opinion of Sokha about the fact that Chinese javelin is better than American ???

      I am for him. Javelin is a dart, Arrow is an arrow. The arrow has an aiming range greater. Hence the Chinese is better bully
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I April 1 2020 15: 43 New
        +1
        Quote: Tusv
        Javelin is a dart, Arrow is an arrow. The arrow has an aiming range greater. Hence the Chinese is better

        А ,пожалуй, фигушки вы угадали ! С тепловизионной ГСН "китаец" имеет дальность поражения-2 км супротив 2,5 км "старого" ,,джавелина"... "Новый" ,,джавелин" имеет дальность-4 км ... "Китаец" тоже имеет дальность 4 км ,но с телевизионной(дневной) ГСН !
        1. Tusv
          Tusv April 1 2020 15: 49 New
          +1
          I'm joking here, and you are with real TTX. Disgrace laughing
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I April 1 2020 16: 02 New
            +2
            Quote: Tusv
            Disgrace

            Well, call! I won’t be anymore! repeat
  4. Yang yangov
    Yang yangov April 1 2020 11: 50 New
    12
    кто бы, как бы.. не стебался над китайцами и их ВПК.. они уделали ,и уделывают многие высокоразвитые страны. у меня кроме зависти и гордости за их руководство(что не могу сказать за "наше" руководство) нет других чувств.
    1. 9PA
      9PA April 1 2020 12: 06 New
      +3
      And China has shown that it is ready for a full-scale bacteriological conflict
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey April 1 2020 12: 09 New
        +1
        Quote: 9PA
        And China has shown that it is ready for a full-scale bacteriological conflict

        And not only bacteriological turns out ..
    2. Old partisan
      Old partisan April 1 2020 13: 43 New
      0
      The Chinese have the main CCP leadership role which is undeniable. And we have liberal democrats ....
  5. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 1 2020 12: 08 New
    0
    Cool ..... you can buy from China and make a clone of a clone ... I wonder how the Chinese price correlates with the American?
    1. V.I.P.
      V.I.P. April 1 2020 12: 31 New
      0
      Зачем делать клон клона, когда можно просто покупать и использовать))). закупали же за границей "Рыси", стрелковку, теплаки для танковых прицелов. Часть Су-30 летает с французским кол.прицелом..Китайские движки ставили на кораблики военные. Наши и микроэлектронику для военных изделий закупают..
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek April 1 2020 13: 00 New
        0
        You can .... but in case of war you can be left without supplies .... Su30SM and without war is no longer receiving sights ..
        It is necessary to buy components.
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I April 1 2020 15: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Cool ..... you can buy from China and make a clone of a clone ...

      В 90х годах в России был разработан комплекс "Автономия" с ИК.ГСН (возможно , и с радиолокационной...). Внешним видом комплекс , отчасти, напоминал "джавелин"... "Дальнобойность лишь подкачала ! С гранатомётом сравнимая !
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 1 2020 12: 09 New
    +1
    at the same time, it is not reported which country purchased the Chinese complexes
    It is not otherwise Pakistan, with which China has recently established military cooperation. It is interesting that today the Chinese openly say that they copied, because before they tried not to advertise it and issued new types of weapons exclusively as their developments.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins April 1 2020 12: 16 New
      +4
      Я, все таки, отнесусь к данной новости со скепсисом. И американский джавелин имеет ограничения, а каковы они у "китайца"? И большинство китайского оружия, проданного за рубеж, никак и нигде не проявило себя в вооруженных конфликтах. Оно просто существует, наравне с мнением соху.
    2. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose April 1 2020 12: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      It is not otherwise Pakistan, with which China has recently established military cooperation.

      Quite possibly. Hindus are increasing the number of tanks, and PTRK packs. Is logical.
  7. askort154
    askort154 April 1 2020 12: 15 New
    0
    China began exporting a clone of American Javelin ATGM

    Теперь пойдут по миру, как когда-то китайские "калаши". Заполонят нишу, а это серьёзная проблема для танкистов.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I April 1 2020 15: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: askort154
      China began exporting a clone of American Javelin ATGM

      Ну, а почему клон ? А если это "просто аналог" ? "Джавелин": 127 мм ; 2,5 км ; ИК.ГСН.../ HJ-12: 130 мм (не менее...); 2 км (4 км); ИК.ГСН (ТВ.ГСН)...
  8. Fishery
    Fishery April 1 2020 12: 32 New
    +1
    Well, actually the Chinese have a result ... well done.
  9. Old partisan
    Old partisan April 1 2020 12: 34 New
    0
    And please tell me what your Chinese partners have? Maybe rocketry, aviation? Weapon? Tanks?
    Intelligence works for them industrial yes!
    And in all areas. Including in light industry. Despite the epidemic, they rushed to Italy to buy new products and then launch them at home.
    And the commissar is the same story.
    What good fellows the Chinese are not enough of their brains.
    1. svoit
      svoit April 1 2020 13: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: Old partisan
      And please tell me what your Chinese partners have?

      Theirs most important thing is technology, even if they were bought once, there were technologies in the USSR, that's why they copied the B-29, but in Russia there are no necessary technologies - therefore, it is not possible to copy the javelin.
      It’s not clear where the purchased technologies go when the plant was at AMD and it successfully riveted millions of good protes for its time, as soon as it was bought, nothing was heard about millions of Russian microcircuits
    2. BREAKTHROUGH READY
      BREAKTHROUGH READY April 1 2020 14: 07 New
      -2
      [quote] And please tell me what your Chinese partners have? [/ quote]
      Yes, almost all of their own now
      [quote] Maybe rocket technology [/ quote]

      [quote] aviation [/ quote]

      [quote] Small arms? [quote]
      [quote] 1 [/ quote]
    3. BREAKTHROUGH READY
      BREAKTHROUGH READY April 1 2020 14: 20 New
      -1
      Tanks?

      What good fellows the Chinese are not enough of their brains.
      Oh Lord, what wild cave did you come out of to the white light with such “vast knowledge” about the world around you?
  10. knn54
    knn54 April 1 2020 12: 35 New
    0
    Why immediately a clone. Javelin is simply an Analogue, Prototype. As is customary in invention.
  11. Amateur
    Amateur April 1 2020 12: 41 New
    +1
    April 1 - don’t believe anyone! drinks
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I April 1 2020 15: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: Amateur
      April 1 - don’t believe anyone!

      Ну,1 апреля....ну, и шо ?! Я,например, данные по "китайцу" привёл не "первоапрельские" !
  12. alex aircraft
    alex aircraft April 1 2020 12: 56 New
    +4
    Under the Union, copying made it possible to quickly reach the technology gap and then make their own samples (that 4 rd 45 etc.) but now they aren’t capable of it! 20 years of the reign of the GDP is a time of missed opportunities for a breakthrough but alas ...
  13. Bolbot
    Bolbot April 1 2020 13: 02 New
    0
    Beauties. We don’t even expect tacos. Even for helicopters PTR type shot forgot and never created.
  14. Naval
    Naval April 1 2020 14: 03 New
    -2
    Well, now the ruins of the JAWELIN sect will be a holiday. They will sell the land, Chinese clones will be bought, and there will be a PEREMOIN. wassat
  15. Gosha Smirnov
    Gosha Smirnov April 1 2020 22: 01 New
    0
    China and then were able to copy. It's a shame, yes!