China began exporting a clone of American Javelin ATGM

China began exporting a clone of American Javelin ATGM

China has begun exporting a “clone” of the American Javelin ATGM, the domestic anti-tank complex HJ-12 Red Arrow. According to the portal defenseworld.net, the Chinese corporation Norinco announced the implementation of the first export contract for the supply of anti-tank systems.


Norinco delivered containers of missiles to a foreign customer last week, according to the planned shipment date, as the customer urgently needed missiles. This is the first export of anti-tank weapons 3rd generation developed by a Chinese company

- the company said in a statement, while it did not say which country purchased the Chinese complexes.

Materials on the new anti-tank complex HJ-12 were first presented at the Eurosatory exhibition, held in France at the end of June 2014. At the same time, according to representatives of the Chinese defense industry, by the time of the first demonstration at the international exhibition, the promising ATGM had already entered serial production.

It should be noted that the complex HJ-12 Red Arrow even looks similar to the American ATGM FGM-148 Javelin. In an embodiment for use by infantry units, the Chinese-made system is a transport and launch container with characteristic large end caps and a unit of equipment for searching for targets and aiming. The rocket is launched from the shoulder, as when using anti-tank rocket launchers.

According to Jane's, the weight of the transport launch container (TPK) with the HJ-12 rocket is approximately 17 kilograms. The total weight of the complex (container and equipment block) is 22 kg. The length of the container is 1,25 m, the diameter is about 170-180 mm. The guidance system is automatic (fired - forgot). The defeat of the target can go along two trajectories: in the side (frontal) projection or from above. The missile of the HJ-12 complex carries a tandem cumulative warhead. Representatives of the NORINCO company claim that this product is capable of piercing up to 1100 mm of homogeneous steel armor, covered by dynamic protection.
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  1. Vadim777 April 1 2020 11: 38 New
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    It’s time for us to take over the experience of copying from the Chinese ...
    1. cniza April 1 2020 11: 45 New
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      Why copy, study, and take all the good things, but do your thing.
      1. Vadim777 April 1 2020 11: 47 New
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        Don’t call it, he is needed in the Russian army
        1. Shurik70 April 1 2020 21: 32 New
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          And how do Americans react to this, why is it not said?
          laughing
      2. SHURUM -BURUM April 1 2020 12: 27 New
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        Why copy
        As in a joke, - The process is important, not the result. Yes, and so that it lasts longer. Again, to build and bring to mind your own narrow gauge railways - this is the favorite position of the sawflies. The fact that Javelin attacks from above was known 15 years ago! For a long time it was possible to take all the good, approve sensible TK and develop it in 15 years. Previously, on Kuhlmanns with a Felix calculator, or even a slide rule, they were developed quickly and reliably, because understood what they were doing. And now hung up with programs, simulators. Step to the right, step to the left of the program and no one knows what is happening. Programmers forgot the assembler, with this approach they will soon forget the multiplication table. In short, well done, the Chinese. They do not ask the enemy for permission to copy, but use someone else's expensive results without the cost of their own research.
    2. svp67 April 1 2020 11: 45 New
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      Quote: Vadim777
      It’s time for us to take over the experience of copying from the Chinese ...

      It is necessary to remember and apply YOURSELF ...
      And the Chinese are GOOD. Spit on everyone and everything, for their own benefit
      But, it seems to me that their ATGMs are slightly larger than Javelin, and the blow does not strike from above
      1. Vadim777 April 1 2020 11: 47 New
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        Who could remember something, no longer remember, a new generation of technicians is needed which is not
      2. Nikolaevich I April 1 2020 15: 36 New
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        Quote: svp67
        But, it seems to me that their ATGMs are slightly larger than Javelin, and the blow does not strike from above

        Presumably, the "caliber" ,, Chinese "-130 mm versus 127 mm" javelina "... The possibility of attack from the top there ...
    3. Igoresha April 1 2020 12: 24 New
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      It is necessary to buy the original from the Chinese, throwing aside the so-called. "Soviet pride" and it will be cheaper than collecting from Chinese parts and a beautiful box
    4. Cowbra April 1 2020 12: 33 New
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      Quote: Vadim777
      It’s time for us to take over the experience of copying from the Chinese ...

      It has been saying this for a long time. At least in relation to countries that do not cooperate with us in principle. England and the USA, for example.
    5. 4ekist April 1 2020 13: 37 New
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      That's right, copy their principle and make it even better.
    6. Ros 56 April 1 2020 14: 26 New
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      And what do we have, our ATGMs are not available, to hell are weird ideas?
    7. RUSS April 1 2020 20: 15 New
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      Quote: Vadim777
      It’s time for us to take over the experience of copying from the Chinese ...

      So the USSR at an early stage copied weapons, so the Chinese are not the first.
  2. Dmitry Potapov April 1 2020 11: 47 New
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    Cool! Only the Chinese scored a bolt on everyone!
  3. Azazelo April 1 2020 11: 49 New
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    Where is the expert opinion of Sokha about the fact that Chinese javelin is better than American ???
    1. Tusv April 1 2020 12: 11 New
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      Quote: Azazelo
      Where is the expert opinion of Sokha about the fact that Chinese javelin is better than American ???

      I am for him. Javelin is a dart, Arrow is an arrow. The arrow has an aiming range greater. Hence the Chinese is better bully
      1. Nikolaevich I April 1 2020 15: 43 New
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        Quote: Tusv
        Javelin is a dart, Arrow is an arrow. The arrow has an aiming range greater. Hence the Chinese is better

        And, perhaps, figurines you guessed! With the thermal imaging seeker, the “Chinese” has a range of 2 km versus 2,5 km of the “old” Javelin ... The “new” Javelin has a range of 4 km ... The Chinese also has a range of 4 km but with a television (daytime) GOS!
        1. Tusv April 1 2020 15: 49 New
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          I'm joking here, and you are with real TTX. Disgrace laughing
          1. Nikolaevich I April 1 2020 16: 02 New
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            Quote: Tusv
            Disgrace

            Well, call! I won’t be anymore! repeat
  4. Yang yangov April 1 2020 11: 50 New
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    whoever, as it were .. didn’t joke over the Chinese and their military-industrial complex .. they paid, and are doing so to many highly developed countries. besides envy and pride in their leadership (which I cannot say for "our" leadership) I have no other feelings.
    1. 9PA
      9PA April 1 2020 12: 06 New
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      And China has shown that it is ready for a full-scale bacteriological conflict
      1. mat-vey April 1 2020 12: 09 New
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        Quote: 9PA
        And China has shown that it is ready for a full-scale bacteriological conflict

        And not only bacteriological turns out ..
    2. Old partisan April 1 2020 13: 43 New
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      The Chinese have the main CCP leadership role which is undeniable. And we have liberal democrats ....
  5. Zaurbek April 1 2020 12: 08 New
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    Cool ..... you can buy from China and make a clone of a clone ... I wonder how the Chinese price correlates with the American?
    1. V.I.P. April 1 2020 12: 31 New
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      Why make a clone of a clone when you can just buy and use))). bought abroad "Lynx", rifle, teplaki for tank sights. Part of the Su-30 flies with a French target. Chinese engines put military ships on boats. Our and microelectronics for military products are purchased ..
      1. Zaurbek April 1 2020 13: 00 New
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        You can .... but in case of war you can be left without supplies .... Su30SM and without war is no longer receiving sights ..
        It is necessary to buy components.
    2. Nikolaevich I April 1 2020 15: 59 New
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      Quote: Zaurbek
      Cool ..... you can buy from China and make a clone of a clone ...

      In the 90s in Russia, the Autonomy complex was developed with IK.GOSN (possibly with radar ...). In appearance, the complex, in part, resembled a "javelin" ... "Range only let us down! Comparable to a grenade launcher!
  6. rotmistr60 April 1 2020 12: 09 New
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    at the same time, it is not reported which country purchased the Chinese complexes
    It is not otherwise Pakistan, with which China has recently established military cooperation. It is interesting that today the Chinese openly say that they copied, because before they tried not to advertise it and issued new types of weapons exclusively as their developments.
    1. I, nevertheless, will react to this news with skepticism. And the American javelin has limitations, but what are the "Chinese"? And most of the Chinese weapons sold abroad did not show themselves anywhere in armed conflicts. It simply exists, along with the opinion of the Sokhu.
    2. Polite Moose April 1 2020 12: 35 New
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      Quote: rotmistr60
      It is not otherwise Pakistan, with which China has recently established military cooperation.

      Quite possibly. Hindus are increasing the number of tanks, and PTRK packs. Is logical.
  7. askort154 April 1 2020 12: 15 New
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    China began exporting a clone of American Javelin ATGM

    Now they will go around the world, as once the Chinese "Kalash". They will fill a niche, and this is a serious problem for tankers.
    1. Nikolaevich I April 1 2020 15: 54 New
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      Quote: askort154
      China began exporting a clone of American Javelin ATGM

      Well, why the clone? And if it is "just an analogue"? Javelin: 127 mm; 2,5 km; IK.GOS ... / HJ-12: 130 mm (not less ...); 2 km (4 km); IR.GOS (TV.GOS) ...
  8. Fishery April 1 2020 12: 32 New
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    Well, actually the Chinese have a result ... well done.
  9. Old partisan April 1 2020 12: 34 New
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    And please tell me what your Chinese partners have? Maybe rocketry, aviation? Weapon? Tanks?
    Intelligence works for them industrial yes!
    And in all areas. Including in light industry. Despite the epidemic, they rushed to Italy to buy new products and then launch them at home.
    And the commissar is the same story.
    What good fellows the Chinese are not enough of their brains.
    1. svoit April 1 2020 13: 19 New
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      Quote: Old Partisan
      And please tell me what your Chinese partners have?

      Theirs most important thing is technology, even if they were bought once, there were technologies in the USSR, that's why they copied the B-29, but in Russia there are no necessary technologies - therefore, it is not possible to copy the javelin.
      It’s not clear where the purchased technologies go when the plant was at AMD and it successfully riveted millions of good protes for its time, as soon as it was bought, nothing was heard about millions of Russian microcircuits
    2. BREAKTHROUGH READY April 1 2020 14: 07 New
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      [quote] And please tell me what your Chinese partners have? [/ quote]
      Yes, almost all of their own now
      [quote] Maybe rocket technology [/ quote]

      [quote] aviation [/ quote]

      [quote] Small arms? [quote]
      [quote] 1 [/ quote]
    3. BREAKTHROUGH READY April 1 2020 14: 20 New
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      Tanks?

      What good fellows the Chinese are not enough of their brains.
      Oh Lord, what wild cave did you come out of to the white light with such “vast knowledge” about the world around you?
  10. knn54 April 1 2020 12: 35 New
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    Why immediately a clone. Javelin is simply an Analogue, Prototype. As is customary in invention.
  11. Amateur April 1 2020 12: 41 New
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    April 1 - don’t believe anyone! drinks
    1. Nikolaevich I April 1 2020 15: 46 New
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      Quote: Amateur
      April 1 - don’t believe anyone!

      Well, April 1st .... well, and sho ?! For example, I did not give the "April Fools" data on the "Chinese"!
  12. alex aircraft April 1 2020 12: 56 New
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    Under the Union, copying made it possible to quickly reach the technology gap and then make their own samples (that 4 rd 45 etc.) but now they aren’t capable of it! 20 years of the reign of the GDP is a time of missed opportunities for a breakthrough but alas ...
  13. Bolbot April 1 2020 13: 02 New
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    Beauties. We don’t even expect tacos. Even for helicopters PTR type shot forgot and never created.
  14. Naval April 1 2020 14: 03 New
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    Well, now the ruins of the JAWELIN sect will be a holiday. They will sell the land, Chinese clones will be bought, and there will be a PEREMOIN. wassat
  15. Gosha Smirnov April 1 2020 22: 01 New
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    China and then were able to copy. It's a shame, yes!