UEC began mass production of PD-14 engines

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UEC began mass production of PD-14 engines

Serial production of promising aviation PD-14 engines for the MS-21 medium-range passenger aircraft. The production is deployed at the enterprise "UEC - Perm Motors". This was announced by the executive director of "Rostec" Oleg Yevtushenko.

The first production PD-14 engines were transferred to the Irkutsk aircraft plant, where the MS-21 is assembled, at the end of January this year. Tests of the aircraft with Russian engines installed are planned this year. MS-21 will be delivered to Russian customers with PD-14 engines, and for export the manufacturer will offer a version of the aircraft with PW1400G American power plants.



In January 2020, the first products for installation on the latest Russian aircraft MS-21 were already delivered to the Irkutsk Aircraft Plant

- declared Yevtushenko.

PD-14 is the first completely Russian turbofan engine for civil aviation since the 1980s, developed taking into account international norms and requirements. The engine was created using the latest technologies and materials to ensure modern performance and a high level of environmental friendliness. The new by-pass twin-shaft engine can develop up to 14 tons of thrust in take-off mode.

MS-21-300 is a new generation short- and medium-haul passenger aircraft with a capacity of 150 to 211 passengers. Certification of the aircraft should be completed this year, and mass production is scheduled for 2021.
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    1. +43
      31 March 2020 17: 39
      PD-14 - the first since the 1980s completely Russian civilian turbofan engine

      Good news. Maybe.
      1. +17
        31 March 2020 18: 15
        We can’t, but we can! You are a plus!
        1. +12
          31 March 2020 20: 11
          "We can't, but mohem!" (C) And you are a plus.
          1. +6
            April 1 2020 01: 10
            And most likely the development engineers are from a new generation. Those who are not at the mcdonalds with cola.
            Looks are still not lost. Keep it up! I am proud of the country!
            1. +1
              April 1 2020 07: 31
              Quote: Michael67
              And most likely, the development engineers from the new generation

              Most likely old. The young are still learning, so to speak, gaining experience.
        2. -2
          31 March 2020 20: 26
          Just a fly in the ointment in this barrel of honey
          . MS-21 will be delivered to Russian customers with PD-14 engines, and for export the manufacturer will offer a version of the aircraft with American power plants PW1400G.
          1. +1
            31 March 2020 22: 00
            This is the market. The buyer has the right to choose, himself. And our plants will not remain without orders. Well done!
            1. -4
              31 March 2020 23: 32
              Will remain (without work). And not only ours. The aircraft industry will collapse, as will the total bankruptcy of almost all airlines in the world. You probably didn’t look at flyradar for a long time. Mode: "clear sky" on the planet ...,
              1. 0
                April 1 2020 00: 21
                Yes. I have not watched for a long time. Well, you are clearly giving black prospects to the global air transportation market. Proof of?..
                1. 0
                  April 1 2020 18: 46
                  Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
                  Well, you are clearly giving black prospects to the global air transportation market. Proof of?..

                  Ours / Federal Air Transport Agency, March 17 /
                  https://www.mskagency.ru/materials/2982925
                  They
                  By the end of May, most airlines face bankruptcy (

                  - In early March, the British airline Flybe filed for bankruptcy, and last week Norwegian Air announced a reduction in half of its personnel in the rapidly expanding past years.
                  - Empty sky: the coronavirus has put airlines on the brink of survival. One has already gone bankrupt
                  https://www.bbc.com/russian/features-51746065
              2. -1
                April 1 2020 10: 15
                every day I look, and I don’t go where they all fly, in the southeast (China) a fly does not push
                1. 0
                  April 1 2020 18: 49
                  Quote: Tuzik
                  every day I look, and I don’t go where they all fly, in the southeast (China) a fly does not push

                  something with your eyes, not that.
                  can be checked?
                  Or look in the nightingale litter flyradar?



                  look here
              3. 0
                April 2 2020 13: 46
                You do not understand correctly the term: "Bankruptcy".
                In the event of bankruptcy, a legal entity goes bankrupt, but aircraft, equipment and airfields will not go anywhere. As a rule, in the event of bankruptcy of firms, property is redistributed and new firms are born, continuing the work of old, but on new conditions.
            2. +2
              April 1 2020 01: 09
              Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
              The buyer has the right to choose

              And by the way, the choice for the foreign market is also more for the PD-14 - Iran pre-ordered 300 aircraft, but only in a purely Russian configuration. And he also pre-ordered a purely Russian version of the SSJ-100 and is waiting for it to appear.
              By the way, the fuel efficiency of the PD-14 is 1400% higher than the PW15G. If the operational characteristics are confirmed, then the choice for customers will be even easier.
              1. +1
                April 1 2020 04: 57
                Quote: bayard
                And by the way, the choice on the foreign market is also more for PD-14
                So they will offer to the foreign market with the PW1400. And the buyer will figure out what he needs.
              2. -2
                April 1 2020 10: 03
                Stop fucking already, it’s clear that on April 1, but still ...
                1. 0
                  April 1 2020 23: 49
                  You do not believe in the all-conquering power of domestic engineering? smile
                  In vain, my friend, she even beats a fountain on such a significant day.
              3. +1
                April 2 2020 07: 48
                The MS-21 and SSJ-100 navigation and partly other imported equipment. What is a purely Russian version? The Americans will ban the export of this equipment and Iran will not wait for these aircraft. And how is the MS-21 doing with the composite wing?
                1. +1
                  April 2 2020 10: 23
                  Quote: Anton Yu
                  The MS-21 and SSJ-100 navigation and partly other imported equipment. What is a purely Russian version?

                  As far as I know, a large or almost all of this equipment should be imported. What they are working on now. And at the same time over both - SSJ-100 and MS-21. Iran intends to purchase about 300 MS-21 and at least 100 SSJ-100.
                  This is a lot, a lot to start the updated series.
                  There is nothing surprising in the fact that there are so many imported components in these aircraft. Under capitalism and open markets (as it was before 2015), it was much easier to buy / order existing serial components than to develop and organize production at home. Such work pays off for a long time, they all need to be certified separately, brought to the global level so that there are no problems with export (and they were counting on it very much). It was profitable to launch the first series that way. And that's how the whole world works. The same Boeing and Airbus buy similar devices and units from contractors, and the fact that both of these giants fly exclusively in Russian titanium is even inconvenient to mention - if we refuse to supply them, they will stoke at least a couple of years. until new contractors are found. But this is not done because we ourselves cannot consume this titanium, and having lost customers, our production will also stop (this is precisely why we sell the RD-180 rocket engines to this day to the enemy - on the one hand, we do not allow them to develop their similar production normally, we teach to ourselves, on the other hand, we load our production with orders, preserve competencies and give people work).
                  But everything turned out as it turned out.
                  Quote: Anton Yu
                  Americans will ban the export of this equipment

                  Many have already been banned, and therefore have been instructed to completely replace impotrosis. And the Iranian order here is just a very good help - it can just pay for these developments and the launch of production.
                  Quote: Anton Yu
                  and Iran will not wait for these aircraft

                  Iran has good things and has no choice but to wait. Boeing refused him, with Airbus, too, not everything is clear and anyone can be expected. And Iran urgently needs to change the entire park - old people fly on parole. China is not an assistant here - they have the wings of a competitor to our MS-21, cracks covered, although duralumin - there are systemic miscalculations in the design, the glider must be fully recounted and then bench tests performed, until the birth defects are completely eliminated.
                  Quote: Anton Yu
                  And how is the MS-21 doing with the composite wing?

                  As far as I know - carbon and prepregs already have their own, but they are somewhat different in quality from previous ones - Japanese counterparts. In any case, the wing on such composites needs to be re-tested, verified weights, checked for physical properties. Therefore, with the launch of the series this year, most likely it will not work - the tests will continue. But the assembly lines are ready. In the meantime, collect the first board with domestic engines PD-14.
                  By the way, the Iranians want an MS-21 with them.
                  And with the SSJ-100, everything is more complicated - there are initially much more imported ones, and there are no own engines yet, but work is underway - the country needs an aircraft of this class, and in principle it is in demand abroad, only it is difficult and expensive to organize service with imported parts. A systematic approach is also needed here. If Iran does wait for the "all-Russian" SSJ-100, then in the same place - in Iran it will be possible to organize a regional service center for the entire Middle East region. If their fleet includes at least 100 such aircraft, it will be economically justified.
                  1. 0
                    April 2 2020 12: 42
                    So tell us how import substitution is going. Which Russian firms produce certified navigation equipment for civil aviation?

                    If we stop supplying titanium products to Boeing and Airbus, they may in return stop servicing their aircraft and 90% of our aviation will not fly.

                    Iran has the opportunity to buy Chinese aircraft, they will soon go into series. They also have problems, but there are more opportunities to solve them.

                    I completely agree about the wings, but it's still two years before the serial production.

                    And what are the problems of the SSJ-100 all resolved? There were two major problems: poor engine and near-zero after-sales service. As far as I know, nothing has been decided with the service, and this is the main problem because of which most airlines abandoned the plane.
                    1. 0
                      April 2 2020 14: 27
                      Quote: Anton Yu

                      If we stop supplying titanium products to Boeing and Airbus, they may in return stop servicing their aircraft and 90% of our aviation will not fly.

                      That is why there are no such retaliatory sanctions on our part.
                      But.
                      The first one and a half to two years after the imposition of US and EU sanctions against Russia, their veins trembled at the thought that we would block the aviation titanium for them. A couple of days after the announcement of the first sanctions, he suddenly recalled himself and sent a request: "We hope that Russia will not impose a ban on the supply of aircraft titanium to the US and the EU," and in the industry itself, for the first time, genuine panic reigned. After all, they could also block aluminum.
                      But our dependence on an imported fleet and the inability to consume as many titanium products ourselves led to some balance in this area.
                      But it can still change.
                      If the full-fledged serial assembly of MS-21, Il-76MD-90A, Il-96, and other aircraft products (Il-114, Il-112, Il-276 or Tu-330 in the future, etc.) with consumption starts in Russia, etc. a large number of titanium structures, then Russia may well impose counter sanctions on aviation titanium (not immediately after the start of the programs, and when the market is already partially filled with its sides) and cut down at least two of its competitors for a year - Boeing, and if necessary, Airbus . And besides legal revenge for what he did against himself, he will also receive a free market. smile
                      But for this it is necessary to completely import substitute for components. And it takes time and extraordinary effort. But such a trump card as the titanium embargo remains with Russia.
                      Quote: Anton Yu
                      Iran has the opportunity to buy Chinese aircraft, they will soon go into series. They also have problems, but there are more opportunities to solve them.

                      Iran does not have such an opportunity and will not appear very soon. In China, they love to boast of achievements, but you need to know that most of the clone planes that they built recently BEFORE THE TIME are in trial operation and continue to refine and eliminate many of the shortcomings. I in particular about their clone of our An-12.
                      And about their medium-range ... rush ... without tears, and you can not say. Everything is very there. Very seriously . There you need to redo, recount the entire glider. It is long, complicated and will require a lot of time for bench tests, for a resource, fatigue, etc. And with materials science they are still weak.
                      So on the medium-haul aircraft market we will not see them soon.
                      Quote: Anton Yu
                      I completely agree about the wings, but it's still two years before the serial production.

                      If you are about the MC-21 wing, that one essentially turns out a new wing there. Not by design, but by material. Therefore, you need to check everything, conduct comprehensive tests and practically new wing certification. Bravura statements of readiness for serial production related to the readiness of assembly lines and the actual production. But the wing will still pull us a bagpipe - here the rush is fraught.
                      Quote: Anton Yu
                      And what are the problems of the SSJ-100 all resolved? There were two major problems: poor engine and near-zero after-sales service.

                      The problem is systemic there. And with the engine, and with other components, which were initially up to 70 (!) Percent. There is even a door (!) For the SSJ-100 does / did "Boeing", what can we say about everything else. When this project was launched, Russia was allowed only (!) This segment and only (!) In the broadest cooperation with American and European companies.
                      That was our sovereignty.
                      Until the little bear did not grow its teeth and claws, anyone could push them around.
                      Have you heard that Putin planned to launch the Russian aviation industry in 2009? He then saved some money for this, and there were projects for launch.
                      And what . Yes
                      But the absence of sovereignty (castrated sovereignty), the absence of a combat-ready and well-controlled Army, the dominance of traitorous liberals at all echelons of power ... and an ultimatum from Boeing and the US State Department ... with the death of the Yak-42 plane with a hockey team ... led to the fact that ZITS-President Medvedev not only stopped all programs and buried the entire aircraft industry, but also used all the money prepared for the launch of the domestic aircraft industry for the purchase of Boeing and Airbus, with the words that "FROM NOW we will buy ONLY Western planes "and that" We don't need such an industry. "
                      He then directed a lot of things, to break - not to build.
                      To revive what was barely breathing then, after such a pogrom, it was very difficult.
                      Many prohibitions and restrictions still apply, and until the Constitution is amended, little will be possible to change. It’s like with cross-leg weights running.
                      And with the service for the SSJ-100 ... well, how do you imagine the organization of serial maintenance of a fleet of several dozen units (now of course more) in different parts of the world, when almost all the necessary spare parts are produced by western suppliers, and the delivery orders are served in last turn? And sometimes they simply refuse to do so. If the supplier of this aircraft grabs for any order a little bit, but if in Southeast Asia a dozen aircraft are operated, then HOW to establish / build a service center there?
                      Or in Latin America?
                      Even if the planes operated in Europe cannot be provided with spare parts on time, are the Europeans sabotaging and red tapeing?
                      If it is possible to make the SSJ-100 in the domestic configuration and deliver a large batch to Iran, then serving such a large park will be much more comfortable (for everyone) and financially justified.

                      And on-board and navigation equipment, I will not tell you anything. I only know that work is underway, more and more components (for on-board equipment) are being mastered in Russia. They try to unify everything that is possible with the MS-21.
                      The SSJ-100 had over 10% of American components, so their supply to Iran was cut off by the United States.
                      From now on, this will not be allowed.
              4. 0
                April 2 2020 15: 52
                Only P&W service their engines themselves and around the world with great efficiency. And how PD-14 will be serviced is a big question. The Superjet example is too revealing. There is no service in the GSS.
                1. 0
                  April 2 2020 16: 04
                  Does the SSJ-100 have Russian engines?
                  Or is it "Saffron"?
                  There are all problems with these suppliers / manufacturers. Service and repairs are carried out extremely reluctantly, dragging out deadlines, sometimes they simply refuse to accept. That's why we need our own - domestic engine. There was a desire to establish licensed production of these engines in Russia, but after lengthy negotiations the French refused.
                  Conclusion - Russia is simply squeezed out of the aircraft manufacturers market. And the solution is to sculpt your PD-8 \ 9 \ 10 as soon as possible - which one is planned there. But first you need to bring to the PD-14 series.
                  Quote: mmaxx
                  And how the PD-14 will be serviced is a big question.

                  In order to see how the PD-14 will be serviced in Russia, it must first be seen in the series (just such production has begun), on serial MS-21s in direct operation by airlines. Then we’ll see, but the fact that resolving these issues within Russia will be an order of magnitude easier is an undeniable fact.
                  1. 0
                    April 2 2020 16: 59
                    The question is not even in the engine. SSJ itself cannot serve. That’s the trouble.
            3. 0
              April 1 2020 10: 52
              Interestingly, as a passenger and a buyer of air transportation services, am I entitled to flight safety or should I agree to be rolled out?
              1. 0
                April 2 2020 10: 33
                You have the right to choose a carrier company, after asking in advance which planes it operates. The country is full of Boeings and Airbuses, which with the advent of the MS-21 will not be less (maybe a little), fly on them.
                Or use the services of Russian Railways - also quite comfortable.
                The choice is yours .
          2. 0
            April 1 2020 10: 46
            The right to choose is always a plus.
    2. +20
      31 March 2020 17: 41
      For more such news.
    3. +20
      31 March 2020 17: 43
      PD-14 - the first all-Russian turbofan engine for civil aviation since the 1980s


      With an initiative, as they say in a good way ...
      1. +2
        31 March 2020 19: 08
        Quote: cniza
        PD-14 - the first all-Russian turbofan engine for civil aviation since the 1980s


        With an initiative, as they say in a good way ...

        the main thing is 25 comments to the article !!! am local whiners didn’t bother to play 700+ comments here !!! wassat laughing
        1. +8
          31 March 2020 19: 19
          Now all the power of commentators has been thrown into commenting on articles about the virus.
          1. +4
            31 March 2020 19: 31
            Quote: rzzz
            Now all the power of commentators has been thrown into commenting on articles about the virus.

            what Well, yeahhhhh, of course ... this is the most important area in the military field !! laughing
          2. +1
            April 1 2020 04: 58
    4. +16
      31 March 2020 17: 43
      The first, really good news for a long time.
    5. +2
      31 March 2020 17: 44
      Can a superjet be transferred to these engines?
      1. +7
        31 March 2020 18: 02
        Have you heard about PD-8 (9)?
        1. 0
          31 March 2020 19: 11
          So 8 or 9? Not yet decided?
          Be determined soon
        2. +4
          31 March 2020 19: 16
          Quote: Genry
          Have you heard about PD-8 (9)?

          Maybe PD-8 (7)? PD-8 previously announced as PD-7
    6. +2
      31 March 2020 17: 44
      Interestingly, in addition to the MS, is this engine somewhere else suitable? For example, to the BE-200? Or will it be too big?
      1. +7
        31 March 2020 17: 58
        The most difficult thing is to develop an engine, but when it is already developed ... please stamp modifications, it is much easier than creating a completely new one. Namely, the PD-14 for the Be-200 is too big.
      2. +6
        31 March 2020 18: 07
        Quote: Marconi41
        Interestingly, in addition to the MS, is this engine somewhere else suitable? For example, to the BE-200? Or will it be too big?


        For the BE-200, at the "Perm Motors", it is planned to develop on the basis of PD-14, the PD-10 engine.
        PD-10 is also planned to be installed on one of the Superjet modifications
        https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3939737

        There are such plans.
        The family of PD engines is designed for installation on aircraft MS-21-200 / 300/400. More powerful modifications based on the gas generator of the engine (PD-18R) can be used on the Tu-214, IL-96-300 and IL-96-400T.
        The possibility of creating industrial gas turbine plants based on an engine is also being investigated.
        wiki
        1. +1
          31 March 2020 18: 11
          Quote: Freeman
          On the BE-200, on the "Perm Motors", it is planned to develop on the basis of PD-14, the PD-10 engine.
          PD-10 is also planned to be installed on one of the Superjet modifications

          So not soon, sorry. But the BE-200 is needed no less than the MS, and its export potential is greater than that of the Yak.
          1. 0
            April 2 2020 15: 54
            Yes, there is no potential in the Be-200.
            1. 0
              April 2 2020 16: 39
              Quote: mmaxx
              Yes, there is no potential in the Be-200.

              What are you speaking about? USA, Israel, Europe, and the Ministry of Emergencies and the Ministry of Defense, there were many orders, but KU.
              1. 0
                April 2 2020 17: 12
                But for some reason no one bought it when it was still possible. Unfortunately.
                We used the services. But there were no buyers. Niche car. It is easier to rent, pay for services, etc. Shoigu rescued from the Ministry of Emergencies.
                1. 0
                  April 2 2020 18: 06
                  They cannot be bought, they cannot even be built for the Ministry of Emergencies. There are no engines, and Beriev’s power is so-so. The USA really wanted to buy, as did the countries of Europe. Plus Australia. But...
                  1. 0
                    April 2 2020 19: 21
                    Well, when Irkutsk did them, who interfered? There was no Ukraine, there were no sanctions. There was nothing. And buyers too. The engines were. There were capacities. And better than Taganrog. Because it started there.
        2. KCA
          +5
          31 March 2020 18: 15
          The PD-35 for wide-body aircraft, such as the IL-96, is also in development, but it has not even reached bench tests yet
        3. +1
          31 March 2020 22: 03
          When we see the new IL-114. We need such airplanes in the regions.
    7. +12
      31 March 2020 17: 47
      Give MS-21 with PD-14 in anti-submarine, refueling and AWACS options bully
      1. +1
        31 March 2020 19: 42
        In the anti-submarine - it is possible, but is already on the basis of the Tu-214.
        DRLOiU - on perspective, as a budget option A-50.
        But I do not agree with the tanker, not those volumes.
        1. +6
          31 March 2020 20: 05
          Profitability PD-14 and weight return of the carbon-fiber glider MS-21 can not be compared with Soviet engines and aluminum gliders Tu-214 and Il-76.

          They will build a hundred MS-21s for the Moscow Region, they will take the funds for development and they can sell the airliner to airlines at cost price plus standard profit.
          1. +2
            April 1 2020 01: 38
            Quote: Operator
            Profitability PD-14 and weight return of the carbon-fiber glider MS-21 can not be compared with Soviet engines and aluminum gliders Tu-214 and Il-76.

            Profitability - yes, but the operational characteristics of the black wing have not yet been confirmed by anyone and there are doubts - it is not known how the CFRP will behave in the 10th, 15th year of operation, what processes will occur there fatigue, microcracks and delamination will not go, how to detect these defects in a timely manner and, most importantly, to eliminate. What to do with damaged areas of such a (black) wing - a blow, a bullet hole? If the dural wing is repaired in the field in a couple of hours, then the black will have to be replaced almost entirely.
            So for military sides dural wings are still preferable.
            But for the IL-76, PD-14 remotorization, it’s quite suitable, even for its latest version, because the take-off thrust is 14,5 tons there, so slightly re-force the PD-14 and go - the range will increase, the cost of operation - will decrease.
            And for the Tu-214 in the military versions of the PD-18 - that's it. And for unification of specialized airplanes of the aerospace aviation, it is preferable to use both a PLO plane, and AWACS, and reconnaissance / transponders, etc., it is better to do on the basis of a single Tu-214.
            Quote: Operator
            They will build a hundred MS-21s for the Moscow Region, they will take the funds for development and they can sell the airliner to airlines at cost price plus standard profit.

            Here, too, it will soon be the other way around - at first saturating the domestic market and ensuring export supplies, and only then maybe the military will catch up. For the military, you still have to make a special modification and it is easier to do this on the basis of an already production aircraft.
            So God forbid the MS-21 is more likely to go into the series. Moreover, seamlessly and immediately wide.
            1. +2
              April 1 2020 02: 03
              The carbon fiber Boeing 787 has been in operation for 9 years.

              The four-engine IL-76 will always lose in terms of efficiency to the twin-engine MS-21. The carbon-fiber Tu-214 in terms of weight return again loses to the MS-21.
              1. +1
                April 1 2020 02: 21
                I immediately noted that fuel efficiency and weight return are not taken into question. In doubt it is the OPERATIONAL characteristics. In the field, the carbon fiber wing cannot be repaired; bullet holes cannot be repaired. And duralumin - easily.
                И
                Quote: Operator
                The carbon fiber Boeing 787 has been in operation for 9 years.

                it's only 9 years old. There is still no statistics and experience in detecting age-related changes in the "black wing". And how it will be in the future is unclear. What will be the real resource of such a wing? And cracks and microcracks in such wings are already fixed.
          2. -3
            April 1 2020 10: 08
            That’s exactly no comparison, compared with the Tu-204 and Tu-214.
            Firstly, the MC-21 has only a composite wing.
            Secondly, the MC-21 has a small wing span and a large load on the wing, so it has a lower aerodynamic quality, and therefore a higher specific fuel consumption.
            Thirdly, the MS-21 consists mainly of imported components and assemblies, which led to a cost of 90 million dollars.
            1. +2
              April 1 2020 12: 55
              In the fourth - stop dropping garbage.
    8. +1
      31 March 2020 17: 56
      Yes really !? Finally!!! hi
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      2. +2
        31 March 2020 19: 23
        Quote: Oleg Zorin
        Yes really !? Finally!!!


        remove the hyphen !!! wink wassat
    9. +9
      31 March 2020 17: 57
      In January 2020, PD-14 aircraft engines were delivered from UEC-Perm Motors to the Irkutsk Aviation Plant (IAZ). They will be installed on the Russian aircraft MS-21-300.

      For the first time, PD-14 engines on a special highway covered a distance of almost 4 thousand kilometers - from Perm to Irkutsk
      source:
      https://www.uecrus.com/rus/presscenter/odk_news/?ELEMENT_ID=3232


      1. 0
        April 7 2020 20: 03
        Oh mine goth !!! The engine cart was not even packed! Db! Concepts fell below the plinth. This cart (yellow) everywhere goes with the engine around the plant. It should be as clean as the engine. Horror.
    10. -16
      31 March 2020 18: 03
      ".... UEC has begun mass production of PD-14 engines ..."
      =======
      Lord! Finally "bloated" !! Not even 20 years have passed ...
      1. +6
        31 March 2020 18: 33
        Quote: venik
        ".... UEC has begun mass production of PD-14 engines ..."
        =======
        Lord! Finally "bloated" !! Not even 20 years have passed ...


        Creating a new engine, like a new aircraft, is not a quick process.
        And with the staff, if you look really, "strained".
        Someone left in the 90s. The remaining, already over 70.
        The "young people" who came - began to implement the "System 5C", that is, first of all, "lining" the floors with multi-colored paint.
        "That is how we live" request
        1. 0
          31 March 2020 23: 25
          Quote: Freeman
          The "young people" who came - began to implement the "System 5C", that is, first of all, "lining" the floors with multi-colored paint.
          "That is how we live"

          Yakovlev during the war at one of the plants began the construction of combat aircraft with washing and painting workshops and cleaning toilets.
          1. +1
            April 1 2020 03: 27
            Quote: Den717
            Quote: Freeman
            The "young people" who came - began to implement the "System 5C", that is, first of all, "lining" the floors with multi-colored paint.
            "That is how we live"

            Yakovlev during the war at one of the plants began the construction of combat aircraft with washing and painting workshops and cleaning toilets.


            Just about, I started with toilets, and not by drawing colored lines on the floor. Which in the "original" version were intended so that the transport carts-robots, do not demolish everything in their path.
            In our workshop, of these carts, only "Vasya washer" (washes and delivers parts to the machines). lol

            In fairness, I must say that they began to change the heating and lighting system. But the roof of the building, in many places, is leaking (so it’s better not to look at the ceilings). But, God forbid, and hands reach her.
        2. 0
          April 1 2020 03: 18
          We have it triple slow. So slow that the technology becomes obsolete before being produced. The despicable LEAP has gone from development to the wing of a serial airbus in six years. But it’s a private shop, you won’t steal a lot.
          1. +1
            April 1 2020 03: 35
            Quote: rzzz
            We have it triple slow. So slow that the technology becomes obsolete before being produced. The despicable LEAP has gone from development to the wing of a serial airbus in six years. But it’s a private shop, you won’t steal a lot.


            The problem is also where to put it. It was with a planned economy and the presence of a "socialist camp", there was a "guaranteed sales". And in the conditions of the "market", we will not be allowed to export, they will find "+100500" reasons, and the "domestic" airlines are in no hurry with real orders. Any "protocols of intent" remain intentions.
            The fate of the SJJ-100 is indicative in this regard.
    11. Eug
      +6
      31 March 2020 18: 05
      This is a real breakthrough. I hope that on the basis of its parts and assemblies a range of engines with a thrust of 8 to 18 tons will be developed.
      1. +4
        31 March 2020 19: 27
        Quote: Eug
        This is a real breakthrough. I hope that on the basis of its parts and assemblies a range of engines with a thrust of 8 to 18 tons will be developed.

        it seems to be being developed !!! request soldier
        1. 0
          31 March 2020 19: 47
          Quote: Nikolai the Greek
          it seems to be being developed !!!

          Until the PD-14 gets on the wing, all the other modifications are only in the plans. First of all, the economic feasibility of each option is needed. No one will create a version for small volumes.
      2. +2
        31 March 2020 21: 48
        Quote: Eug
        This is a real breakthrough. I hope that on the basis of its parts and assemblies a range of engines with a thrust of 8 to 18 tons will be developed.

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      1. +6
        31 March 2020 18: 55
        Quote from rudolf
        Someone really tried to bury NK-93 in order to move this PD
        TVVD, as far as I know, does not pass by noise. No country could solve the problem of the roar of the blades.
        In addition, in its original form, the NK-93 is not even stuck under the wing of a large aircraft, such as the Il-96, and even smaller ones can not be said. Its niche is the upper planes of the Il-76 and An-124 type. But it is not suitable for them: the first needs a little weaker or one and a half times stronger (then you can stick in only two), and the second needs one and a half times stronger.
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          1. +5
            31 March 2020 20: 46
            Yeah, it’s less noisy - you just didn’t hear the Euro 93 live. It’s definitely not going to pass the noise standard, you couldn’t cope with the locking effect and the engine was quite heavy and overall.
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              1. +1
                31 March 2020 22: 34
                These engines have no prospects, since in view of the dimensions of the bonnet they can only be placed on high planes — for airplanes like the An 124 Ruslan — there are no passenger planes even in the distant future with such an arrangement of the wing.
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                    1. +1
                      April 1 2020 05: 05
                      Quote from rudolf
                      I believe that both engines had the right to life.
                      What's the point? NK-93, to reach the characteristics of noise, speed and altitude, you need to pull 3 owls on the globe. And these will be transcendental characteristics for this type. PD-14 and fan engines are generally only half way.
                  2. 0
                    April 1 2020 13: 05
                    Aircraft with rear engines have their own problems in aerodynamics - for IL 96 - you have to create a new engine in fact - why when do PD 18 do? For Elephant and PAK TA they already create a turbofan PD 35 and a further range based on it. Propeller-driven engines can find their application on ekranolet - but when large-sized ekranoleta appear in Russia, no one knows. And NK 93 has already become obsolete both physically and mentally, since the beginning of its creation began 35 years ago, it simply makes no sense to mess with it.
                2. 0
                  April 2 2020 11: 07
                  At least one person does not see the prospect of such engines. It’s ridiculous to explain itself that the modern concept of the physical process has no prospects. Issues of increasing traction by orders of magnitude are not even considered, because it is simply impossible. On the economy and low noise it is all outright lies. Mass dimensions as an indicator disgusting. The quality factor and detailed capacity do not add safety and reliability.
          2. 0
            April 1 2020 03: 23
            The basis of NK93 is the ancient NK-12. Not to say that a bad engine, like even the most economical fuel consumption in the world, is heavy and iron. And very environmentally friendly.
            1. +1
              April 1 2020 04: 47
              Quote: rzzz
              The basis of NK93 is the ancient NK-12
              Well, let's say there everything that could have led to modern standards.
          3. 0
            April 1 2020 04: 30
            Quote from rudolf
            No wonder the MTU requested the 93rd Acoustic Test Report.
            So is it after them the work froze?

            Quote from rudolf
            Engines with a similar circuit (TVVD) are now working at MTU, Prat & Whitney, and Rolls-Royce.
            Already 40 years. Meanwhile, the noise standards are clamped. The same Concord was turned off first of all because by noise it was not allowed anywhere. But as a pretext - a disaster.

            Quote from rudolf
            As for power, it was possible to take NK-93 as a basis to create engines with more or less power.
            He already has gigantic dimensions, and with an increase will be monstrous.
            Interestingly, you distinguish the engines with the fan and screw removed? laughing
    13. -10
      31 March 2020 18: 22
      with wings what?
      a lot of ringing and their wings still not?
      If there are no wings. then what to hang engines?
    14. +1
      31 March 2020 18: 39
      And why the export with the American engine?
      1. +1
        31 March 2020 18: 46
        This point is also interesting. Is it really impossible to deliver a plane with our engine?
        1. +7
          31 March 2020 19: 01
          Quote: Ugolek
          This point is also interesting. Is it really impossible to deliver a plane with our engine?

          And then to fly to Russia?
      2. -1
        31 March 2020 18: 51
        Quote: Mechnocleap
        And why the export with the American engine?

        Probably because he’s better. Alas. Or maybe not better, but his service is better established.
        By the way. What about the wing? Are they from the domestic composite or temporarily switched to metal?
        1. +4
          31 March 2020 19: 44
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          Probably because he’s better. Alas.

          Our characteristics are better.
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          Or maybe not better, but his service is better established.

          It's better? And with what to compare that? After-sales service PD-14 is yet to be established. This business always went with a creak. And here the export of MS-21 with proven, reliable engines will only benefit the future flagship of our aircraft industry.
          1. +1
            31 March 2020 22: 01
            Quote: kjhg

            It's better? And with what to compare that? After-sales service PD-14 is yet to be established. This business always went with a creak.

            That's exactly what has yet to be fixed. And Prat-Whitney has it all set up. Therefore, abroad with this engine.
            Any proven and reliable engine needs specialist service.
      3. 0
        April 1 2020 03: 24
        Because it’s possible to buy spare parts for them.
      4. 0
        April 1 2020 04: 49
        Quote: Mechnocleap
        And why the export with the American engine?
        First, certification is easier.
        Secondly. easier to sell because the operator is most likely already dealing with these engines.
        Thirdly, logistics: we need to develop a service network for engines. And in the beginning it will be slow.
    15. +2
      31 March 2020 19: 24
      At least one good news! We are waiting for the revival of the Russian Civil Fleet!
    16. 0
      31 March 2020 19: 34
      He will probably replace PS90 later ...
      1. D16
        -3
        31 March 2020 20: 15
        He will probably replace PS90 later ...

        Hardly. PD-14 is rather weak for a full replacement. Yes, and why? Tu-204 and IL-96 are made per teaspoon per hour. I see no reason to spend a lot of money on their remotorization. IL-476 recently received the PS-90 and has just begun to be mass-produced.
        1. 0
          31 March 2020 22: 53
          With our sluggishness and PD14 it will not quickly appear .... and the basic design without major alterations is designed for + or - 2tn traction in different versions.
          1. D16
            0
            April 1 2020 07: 11
            Do not be surprised that while the donkey will be taught to speak, the paddies will die laughing ... And this does not change the question "Why spend money on re-engining aircraft, which are operated only by the Ministry of Defense and the Arctic Ocean?" Their planes are not operated as civilian airlines and reliability is much more important than fuel economy.
            1. 0
              April 1 2020 08: 44
              For PD14 they want to expand the application and hope to get into commercial operation.
              1. D16
                0
                April 10 2020 19: 32
                Excuse me, how are the IL-96 and Tu-204 (214) related to commercial operation? laughing
                1. 0
                  April 10 2020 19: 57
                  Only production profitability PS90 ... if PD14 will be mass-produced, what's the point of doing it. Is there still one in the same draft?
                  1. D16
                    0
                    April 10 2020 20: 04
                    Following your logic for the mass production of PD-14, you need two to four times less mass production of the Tu-204 and IL-96. And who needs it? laughing PS-90 is a very poorly mastered serial engine without special jambs. It is by definition preferable for warriors and SLO.
                    1. 0
                      April 10 2020 21: 13
                      So PD14 has a chance to become the same .... in 10 years. The MC204 itself will take the Tu21 niche, and the Il476 should fly on something, in the future.
                      1. D16
                        0
                        April 10 2020 21: 26
                        In MO MS-21 will not occupy any niche until it reaches a certain degree of independence from foreign suppliers. And this will not happen tomorrow. The MC-21-300 is by no means a replacement for the 204mu, which is close to 757 in performance. The serial IL-476 only this year began to be delivered to the TA. Its development ended in the 2009th. Do you offer everything anew with a really outdated cargo compartment?
                        1. 0
                          April 10 2020 22: 55
                          Are you hoping for a new transporter?
                        2. D16
                          0
                          April 10 2020 23: 00
                          You look too far, especially in light of recent events. laughing
    17. -1
      31 March 2020 19: 58
      and jets all?
    18. -3
      31 March 2020 20: 35
      Su57 was also launched loudly into the series, but even the first quarter was over and all the products were gone. Therefore, the question is, how much is the series in pieces per year?
      1. +1
        31 March 2020 20: 48
        It was launched into mass production by two airframes being manufactured, but tests of the new engine continue.
    19. -4
      31 March 2020 20: 40
      But can not we analogue pw1400g?
      And it’s scary to fly on superjets ...
      1. +2
        31 March 2020 20: 50
        That it’s scary for you to fly on superjets - all accidents with it are the pilots ’fault, but not the equipment, and especially the engines.
      2. 0
        April 10 2020 21: 14
        PD14 ...... its analogue. And what claims are there to the turbojet engine for the SGJ Besides the service?
    20. DPN
      0
      31 March 2020 20: 59
      At the end they were born, otherwise everything was foreign, it dawned on her that she was her own, not dependent on anyone.
    21. +1
      31 March 2020 21: 21
      Why is the name depersonalized before the abbreviation MS? Why not Tu or Il, Yak ?! Or here we remember they forgot ... and our story is not shredded like our neighbors ...
    22. +2
      31 March 2020 22: 04
      Not bad. Give PD-35!
    23. 0
      April 1 2020 01: 21
      Quote: Aibolit
      Will remain (without work). And not only ours. The aircraft industry will collapse, as will the total bankruptcy of almost all airlines in the world. You probably didn’t look at flyradar for a long time. Mode: "clear sky" on the planet ...,

      All will pass. And that too.
      The arrangement of the world is changing. Transport will not change. Unless the airships will be added and, finally, EKIPov. Now, if Yellowstone works, then so many peaceful developments will continue right away ... Instead of hyper and embeer. Utopia? But I really want to hope.
    24. 0
      April 1 2020 07: 09
      Very good news! Well done, keep it up!
    25. 0
      April 1 2020 10: 12
      The PD-14 engine has a number of components and assemblies of foreign production, for example bearings.
      Therefore, turbopatriots need to cut back sturgeon. MS-21 is unfinished for pumping dough from the budget.
      Made on the SSZh-100 patterns, a similar fate awaits him.
      1. 0
        April 1 2020 13: 14
        What a big problem to create bearings units and assemblies now any production with machining centers with CNC and cameras for plasma spraying as well as quenching furnaces can handle this. Made according to the patterns of SSJ 100 - to which patterns, Superjets have already been released for 200 pieces and its problem is service centers and maintenance with the necessary spare parts - all this can be solved. At MS 21, there are already 279 orders; most of them are prepaid. Now the Boeing 737MAX has flown from the market - which in turn will increase the number of customers for our aircraft of a similar class.
        1. 0
          April 10 2020 21: 16
          MC21 is more advanced than SGS. Our participation there is greater.
    26. 0
      April 1 2020 23: 02
      Quote: Vadim777
      Interestingly, as a passenger and a buyer of air transportation services, am I entitled to flight safety or should I agree to be rolled out?

      fly on 737 passenger am

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