COVID-19: “After” will not come immediately


Has it not yet reached us?



Our small author pool expected this week to speculate on how to get out of the viral crisis, in many ways, of course, man-made. First of all, economically and socially. Recall what the programs for overcoming the Great Depression in the USA and Europe were, and at the same time why the Nazis came to power in Germany on this wave and why the crisis only hooked the USSR in passing.

Of course, I would like to recall a more relevant experience - the Russian one (both after the default and after the crisis of 2008-2009 and under damned sanctions). Even a biting generalizing heading came up with: "Virus: what after?" But it did not work out, it is still clearly early, because the quarantine is likely to drag out, although, hopefully, it is no longer in such harsh forms.

At the same time, apparently, it is hardly worth counting on a quick return to normal. Most likely, that life that was before the crisis, before the virus, will simply not be. Too much will change, and will change irrevocably. It seems that it is not without reason that Russia is about to introduce criminal liability for violation of quarantine. At least in the State Duma, the relevant laws have already been passed, and the Senate and the president do not like to spend time at all.

The author is not going to blame anyone for excessively harsh measures, especially when speaking in the media, for this, too, a certain responsibility is provided. However, it is impossible to forbid anyone to doubt their effectiveness, even journalists.

Literally on Tuesday morning, on the way to the post office for registered mail, I think it’s not worth explaining what kind I met a patrol of three perfectly packed and clearly armed young people. Either spetsnaz or steeper, but certainly not from the Russian Guard - there are thinner shots there, these entrances to the parks and at the Exhibition of Economic Achievements are guarded. The mail, by the way, turned out to be closed, and immediately pulled out to speak about draconian measures taken now in relation to "free cultivators."

What do you think is their main advantage? For some reason, it seems to me that the effect of them, with all desire, cannot be directly estimated. No, of course, when a week or two passes under quarantine, the authorities of all countries will literally excitedly report on their own successes in the titanic struggle. Not to the people, but most likely to Washington “regional committee”.

I'll give everything for the smile of a Japanese


There, by the way, the most important one already had the courage, but rather the audacity, to admit that 200 corpses would be a good result for the United States in the fight against coronavirus. A simple calculation shows that, ceteris paribus, it may well “shine” to us 100 thousand or so. Let's hope that Soviet medicine, we admit, is very poor from a material point of view, but for some reason it is no less effective, has not yet been completely destroyed. At least in terms of personnel, and it will work, as in the good old days - against influenza and cholera, and during the war years too.

And then, in Russia, for such, so to speak, “digital” they can immediately send either to Butyrka or to Kashchenko. It is no accident that overseas, as, indeed, in Europe, such revelations of poor Trump try not to replicate, and even mix joyful smiles of the Japanese, and for two reasons at once. The first, of course, is the sakura blossom, and the second is the exact date for the start of the 2020 Olympics in Tokyo. That is, July 23 is already the year 2021.

A bit of positive was immediately added by messages from Italy, where the decline in the growth of the diseased was finally noted, and the number of deaths is no longer growing so rapidly.

But why is the world press, and the Russian one too, so lingeringly circulating the sobering statement of WHO experts that this organization “recognized the self-isolation of citizens as useless for the fight against coronavirus”? One of the writing and actively filming colleagues immediately put forward this really tricky verbal construction from news.mail.ru to the nominees for the most idiotic headline.

And yet. Is it worth recalling that before that, WHO experts in all their official and not very speeches only did that they added fuel to the fire. Almost the only truly sensible and intimidating statement was the recognition that the COVID-19 epidemic was the first in stories humanity is a control pandemic.

This recognition even went to Wikipedia. And all of a sudden ... So, is it not time for us to change our minds in Russia, having adopted not the American and European, but the Chinese, and even wider - Asian experience, when all chains of potentially ill people are tracked extremely clearly, and the defendants are cut off from new contacts immediately and without sentimentality. And without snot, as already, alas, it happened to the governor of Khakassia Viktor Zimin, who evaded quarantine, but, you see, he did not get sick. But he could infect very many. Does it make any sense to drag out global quarantine?

Isn’t it just that on Monday, not somewhere, but on the Telegram channel of the Moscow headquarters sounded the idea to stretch the regime of self-isolation in the capital right up to April 14? She was even put into the mouth of one of the Moscow leaders. And was it just that you had to refute the message right away?

In standby?





Isn't it time now to deal with the quarantine deadlines and give an opportunity to all who really need and can continue to work normally? And to debug now all the mechanisms of what really helps better than any self-isolation and some kind of sadistic deliberate curtailment of any kind of useful activity.

It would not be worth starting with advertising commercial clinics that open all doors to the fight against COVID-19, but with the operational training of thousands of normal hospital wards, and not just beds. And from the urgent delivery to the drugstores of millions, not tens and hundreds of notorious scarce masks, and most importantly - medicines, which have already been professionally proven to be effective in the fight against new misfortune.

No, no one thinks to say that there is already a working vaccine for the “crown”, but they are hiding it from us. There is a whole set of prophylactic prophylaxis treatment methods for the first symptoms, which are claimed not only by reputable, but by the most reputable experts up to Leonid Roshal and the head physician of the famous Kommunarka Denis Protsenko. This, of course, if everything is really as serious as in Italy or New York.

When we begin to count the sick and infected really, and not superficially, as now, the increase in numbers can really turn out to be frightening. But will honest statistics help at least something? The author does not urge here to continue to lie, or rather, to deceive themselves, it’s just that they will not be able to manage the truth. Especially in conditions when in all other respects lying (especially to ourselves) has become almost the norm.

To begin with, the “quarantine creators” are obviously cunning about the right to impose fines for all types of violations, since they do not have real authority to even introduce such restrictions themselves. This can only be done by introducing a state of emergency, and this, excuse me, is the president’s prerogative.

He spoke, of course, severely, but did not introduce an emergency. And even "soak in the toilet" did not promise anyone. Since it is unclear who to "wet." The guarantor gently limited himself to what he called the regime of self-isolation as a measure that was "justified and necessary."

And “the introduction of mass restrictions of the kind in Moscow is the exclusive competence of the Federal Assembly and the president.” And this is not the author’s nonsense, but a quote from a speech by member of the Federation Council Andrei Klishas.

It remains to give some more evidence. The so-called virulence index, that is, the ability to infect in coronavirus, is from three to four points, in ordinary flu this index fluctuates between marks 2 and 3, but in measles - 12-16. Measles is much more contagious! But with the measles epidemic, no quarantine has been introduced for a long time.

Not so long ago, already this winter, chickenpox was recorded in many metropolitan schools. Almost two thirds of schoolchildren were ill, mostly from the elementary grades. However, only a few schools were quarantined, and no one was transferred to home schooling at all.

Most likely, many will have to get the “crown”, although, like many of my friends doctors, I do not believe in any rebuttals, especially from the yellow press, regarding the fact that many consider themselves to be similar to COVID-19 for a year, two, and even three back. But there will definitely be an “After”, when too much will change in someone’s favor.

Whose? Yes, in favor of those who are now pumping psychosis and that way easily juggles with numbers. Where 200 thousand, there are a couple of millions. They, in fact, are not used to it. And we still remember. Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden. And we even remember Tokyo-1945. It's just that the times are different now. And other means.
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  1. Insurgent April 1 2020 06: 33 New
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    And we still remember. Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden. And we even remember Tokyo-1945.


    Memory, in general, is a tricky thing. yes
    Sometimes such associations from the depths of memory come up that God forbid ...

    1. Insurgent April 1 2020 06: 40 New
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      COVID-19: “After” will not come immediately


      THERE WHERE "AFTER" ALREADY HAPPENED,


      Virus 2014. Trick Nezalezko "Download ..."



      Post virus 2019. Duo Tariq Nezalezhko + Olesya Medvedeva (sang love good )

      1. depressant April 1 2020 07: 13 New
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        I also have a tricky memory)) ((
        And wicked. I read today on Yandex about the method of killing all viruses, bacteria, and other things - with water. The method developed in Skolkovo, and something malicious has come to mind.
        The press, all:
        "An employee of one of the secret divisions of Oskolkovo, Alan Chumak, under the leadership of Anatoly Kashpirovsky, doctor of extrasensory sciences, developed a new method of charging water. According to updated data, charging 1000 liters of water will cost 100 rubles. How much the installation costs is not specified."

        In fact, an efficient installation is really designed. Because even earlier, maybe a week ago, a message flashed that the government allocated money for mechanical ventilation. One of the colleagues here said: 12 billion rubles.
        No, dear colleague, not so. In general, 12 billion. Of these, 2.5 billion on mechanical ventilation, 7.5 billion - mind you! - for the purchase of disinfecting air purification devices in the Duma, the Federation Council and government agencies.
        2.5 + 7.5 = 10, not 12.
        Well, 2 were stolen in the bustle - the mysterious strength of being.
        So here. While the purchase of devices for loved ones did not do themselves, the device was not reported in the press. And the device, quite real to itself, apparently, has long been known. Cleaning 1000 liters is worth it - 100 rubles. Next, water is sprayed into the air and effectively kills the coronavirus.
        1. Insurgent April 1 2020 07: 16 New
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          Quote: depressant
          "An employee of one of the secret units" Oskolkovo "Alan Chumak

          So Chumak, it seems that ... He died belay

          Was he resurrected in Oskolkovo too? Or is it the same, but another Chumak?
          1. depressant April 1 2020 07: 24 New
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            Colleague ...))
            There really is a Skolkovo.
            "Oskolkovo" - this is the same as that of the Strugatsky.
            1. Insurgent April 1 2020 07: 27 New
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              Quote: depressant
              Colleague ...))

              Oh, you ... colleague, colleague ... recourse

              Forgot that TODAY APRIL 1 ? Therefore, the orientation of many (but not all) of my comments is humorous and ironic today ... wink
              1. depressant April 1 2020 07: 32 New
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                Dear colleague, sorry! love wassat Here, I put on my glasses and see that I’m not right bully
        2. Snail N9 April 1 2020 09: 04 New
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          Next, water is sprayed into the air and effectively kills the coronavirus.

          This is most likely the so-called "dead water". The installation for its manufacture is simple: a liter can is taken, a “cup” with a diameter of 40-50 mm is sewn from a dense tarpaulin to the height of the can (I sewed from "Soviet" tarpaulin gauntlets) then a rectifier is made — two flat, approximately 20-30 mm wide stainless electrodes with dimensions such that they do not reach the bottom of the “cup” by 20 mm and the distance between the electrodes is 30–40 mm — for rectification, you can use one powerful diode like “D” I don’t remember D-06 or some other, but similar). Then you insert tarpaulin "cup in a jar, fill in a jar and a glass of water th, insert the electrodes (with the diode in the “cup”) and turn it on for 3-8 minutes (depending on the “desired strength” of the water received). “Dead water” is collected in the Bag and “live” outside. Schemes of this installation can be found on the Internet, they are full there. As well as methods of treatment with it. I think that the development of the manufacture of large quantities of "disinfecting" water is based on the above method.
          1. Insurgent April 1 2020 09: 28 New
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            Quote: Snail N9
            This is most likely the so-called "dead water". The installation for its manufacture is simple: a liter jar is taken, a “cup” is sewn from dense tarpaulin ...


            And even simpler, take two cans of 0,5-1 L each, pour water into them, put the mentioned electrodes there, and place between them a gauze (bandage) soaked in water, apply power.
            Water, in the end, in one bank will have a brownish sediment "dead", in another whitish "live".

            For disinfection, "dead" water is used, which kills many pathogens ...
            1. Olgovich April 1 2020 10: 05 New
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              Quote: Insurgent
              Quote: Snail N9
              This is most likely the so-called "dead water". The installation for its manufacture is simple: a liter jar is taken, a “cup” is sewn from dense tarpaulin ...


              And even easier, take two cans of 0,5-1 L, pour water into them

              Isn’t it easier to just rattle 0,5 l? recourse request
              1. Insurgent April 1 2020 10: 08 New
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                Quote: Olgovich
                Isn’t it easier to just rattle 0,5 l?


                Everyone has their own choice.

                Quote: V. S. Vysotsky

                ...
                And we need to prick and fall to the bottom
                well
                And there is a chasm at the bottom of the well, as in Bermuda,
                forever.
                ...
              2. Olgovich April 1 2020 10: 15 New
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                WHO that this organization “recognized the self-isolation of citizens as useless for the fight against coronavirus”

                The WHO said differently: self-isolation is needed to gain time, but is useless to win - without an AGGRESSIVE attack on the virus, the most active identification of patients, their contacts and their strict isolation.

                those. what China has done.
                1. antique April 1 2020 13: 02 New
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                  Quote: Olgovich
                  those. what China has done.

                  China has done a great job. Within a few weeks, it sharply increased the production of personal protective equipment. PPE. Because experience suggests that wearing masks by ALL people dramatically reduces the incidence. We are told the opposite. Like masks should be worn only by patients. But there are NO masks and respirators. I already wrote about the order of Mishustin. The fact that masks should be sewed by convicts and students and other audiences. https://lenta.ru/news/2020/03/18/mask/.
                  1. antique April 1 2020 13: 03 New
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                    The COVID-19 epidemic has uncovered monstrous failures in Russian economic policy.
                    The self-isolation regime announced on weekends for Moscow and Moscow Region has already been introduced in many regions of the country. This measure gave good results in China, but there is one “but”: people will still meet with each other in stores, in pharmacies, and taking out household garbage.

                    Therefore, for universal quarantine to give a result, the country's population must be fully provided with medical masks - as this, in fact, was the case in China. The experience of the Middle Kingdom shows that the production of disposable personal protective equipment can be increased many times over in a matter of days. So, in early February, at the peak of the Chinese outbreak of COVID-19, the company of 34-year-old pharmacist Guan Xunjie set up a new mask factory in 11 (!) Days. In total, 8950 (!) New factories producing masks were launched in China in the shortest possible time. in volumes sufficient to provide all citizens with such important products during the period of the epidemic. This was reported by the website Tianyancha, analyzing business in the Middle Kingdom: "It was a race that the world has not yet seen." The Chinese, seeing the mess in other countries and the lost time taking place in Russia, were well aware that after they defeated the coronavirus at home, the demand for masks would become global.

                    “As the coronavirus pandemic has become global, thousands of factories in China have quickly turned into a new and very profitable market - face masks for export,” states the new Chinese newspaper South China Morning Post.https: //svpressa.ru/society/article / 261267 /
                    1. antique April 1 2020 13: 04 New
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                      We are not talking about the manual sewing by convicts or women in sewing factories, which is the case in Russia. Masks, or the "N95 product," are stamped in China by machine guns that were developed in a matter of days by Chinese engineers.

                      The issue price for the development of these machines amounted to some $ 7 million. This money was enough to start collecting automatic lines for businessmen who want to help the country and save people from infection. The offer instantly found demand, because in China they quickly realized: "A mask-making machine today is a real cash printer."

                      Cost recovery for the development of machines was not a problem for engineers and designers. Judging by the price - $ 71 for a set of equipment - the line is huge. The first 000 pieces of equipment were manufactured and sold in a matter of days. And what is most surprising: nothing broke, although it was done in emergency mode. Moreover, the machines were developed under the “turned on and forgot” scheme, that is, without any preliminary commissioning. In the same place.
                      1. antique April 1 2020 13: 05 New
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                        Since February 2020, about 12 new companies have been opened in China producing PPE and ventilators. In total, there are already 000 such companies in China.


                        https://rossaprimavera.ru/news/1b50a071
                      2. antique April 1 2020 13: 06 New
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                        To understand why this has become possible in China and impossible in Russia, one should directly say about the mistakes of the industrial policy of the team of President Putin and former Prime Minister Medvedev, who “liked his work”. Instead of investing a couple of billion dollars in new plants for the production of precision drives, electric motors, pneumatic, position sensors and fairly simple microcontrollers, in Russia everything was done exactly the opposite. These key components were purchased, and the cases with the label “Made in Russia” were riveted inside the country - like, they carried out “import substitution”. This is the first.
                        The second - the government has taken up the wrong number at all. First of all, according to the Digital Economy program, approved by Medvedev’s decree of July 28.07.2017, 1632 No. XNUMX-r, money was allocated for “artificial intelligence, big data and neurotechnologies, as well as distributed registry systems, quantum technologies, new production technologies, industrial internet. " And according to the residual sign - on the "components of robotics and sensorics."
                        If Russia had created its own national industry of “actuators and sensors”, our engineers and designers assembled the same machine for the production of “N95 products” as a Lego toy from ready-made components, and in a matter of days. And then - they designed the plant itself, which would automatically assemble these machines. In full, this applies to the production of lung ventilation apparatuses. But, as they say, “profiled” money and time. Now they have quarantined small and medium-sized businesses, condemning them to certain death, while Chinese businessmen, on the contrary, are raising their heads.

                        But no one will be held responsible for this - Putin “doesn’t surrender his own.” Https: //svpressa.ru/society/article/261267/
                      3. depressant April 1 2020 14: 37 New
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                        Antique ...
                        Not only does Putin not give up his own, he invests money in them. They are human capital for him, and we are new oil.
              3. Olgovich April 1 2020 13: 08 New
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                Quote: Antique
                . Because experience suggests that wearing masks by ALL people dramatically reduces the incidence.

                This is understandable even for the Hedgehog and it hurries me up when I hear that they ... DO NOT have to: because if ALL of them are put on, then NO ONE can infect ANYONE!

                No, they don’t need to ...

                It is necessary!
                1. antique April 1 2020 13: 19 New
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                  Quote: Olgovich
                  No, they don’t need to ...

                  It is necessary!

                  Of course it is. But, I don’t know how else to write so as not to be banned, Russia's need for personal protective equipment, is estimated to be approaching a BILLION pieces! I don’t understand that we have the State Reserve or not. IVL is already in the State Reserve for some reason. That's for sure. Something like this. The main one is sitting on Valdai, shaking. After Protsenko got sick. It seems that he scored on everything.
      2. depressant April 1 2020 09: 30 New
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        Colleague Ulitnik, apparently, figures from Skolkovo, guided by long-established world practice of appropriating other people's inventions, picked up the idea on the Internet and, giving the bank and canvas bag a decent look, that is, it is not clear to the unenlightened, passed it off as their own. After all, the speed with which the "invention" was invented is truly amazing! Allegedly, Skolkovo fired at the right time.
      3. Van 16 April 1 2020 10: 06 New
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        Oh, I remember there was such a fashion for this water, they did it in the late 80s, well, or in the early 90s.
      4. Rostislav April 1 2020 11: 01 New
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        Yes, in the 80s, many were carried away by "living" and "dead" water. I myself did several installations for my friends. He tested the water and on himself - it really helps with open wounds and bruises.
        1. Insurgent April 1 2020 11: 35 New
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          He tested the water and on himself - it really helps with open wounds and bruises.

          Heals a lot of things.
  • jonht April 1 2020 07: 08 New
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    Support! hi
    The Olympics must be held in Vladivostok. laughing
    1. Lipchanin April 1 2020 08: 16 New
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      Quote: jonht
      The Olympics must be held in Vladivostok.

      It is possible to the south.
      At the pole laughing
      1. jonht April 1 2020 08: 34 New
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        In Vladik, it’s good in the summer, it’s also a parallel to Sochi. Humidity is only higher and winds are stronger and more frequent. wassat
        1. Lipchanin April 1 2020 08: 35 New
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          Quote: jonht
          In Vladik, it’s good in the summer, it’s also a parallel to Sochi. Humidity is only higher and winds are stronger and more frequent.

          And at the pole more exotic tongue
  • Andrey NM April 1 2020 07: 24 New
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    COVID-19: self-isolation of the population turns into a self-liquidating economy.
    In order to punish for violation of the quarantine conditions, it is necessary to declare this quarantine in accordance with the law No. 52 of 30.03.1999. "ABOUT SANITARY AND EPIDEMIOLOGICAL WELL-BEING OF THE POPULATION", and not to come up with workarounds so as not to be financially responsible to the population. And so you can come up with a lot more. Sanitary doctors have plugged our tongues in famous places and are silent. In Moscow, such an order came out after the fact on Sunday, when they were already trumpeting about self-isolation. Well? Have you quarantined? How much can you do the substitution of concepts, so as not to be liable in the future? And why do we suddenly have compensation payments only in Moscow? The rest of the Russians do not suffer from the "events"?
  • Undecim April 1 2020 07: 33 New
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    Do not distribute this information garbage.
    The Tokyo Olympics of 1940 were not canceled, the Helsinki was canceled, since Japan was deprived of the right to host the Olympics because of the war with China, which began in 1937.
    The Tokyo Olympics of 1964, no one has ever endured or canceled.
    The war in Vietnam began in 1959. In 1965, the United States began to participate in it openly.
    1. Insurgent April 1 2020 08: 04 New
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      Quote: Undecim
      Do not distribute this information garbage.

      And youс APRIL 1!
      1. Undecim April 1 2020 08: 17 New
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        And so you congratulated your colleagues on your professional holiday in this way. Clear.
        1. Insurgent April 1 2020 08: 18 New
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          Quote: Undecim
          And so you congratulated your colleagues on your professional holiday in this way.

          Sorry, I missed you ... once again, WITH HOLIDAY!
          1. Undecim April 1 2020 08: 23 New
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            I meant cognac’s birthday. And you ?
            1. 3x3zsave April 1 2020 08: 33 New
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              And today is Volcanologist Day.
              1. Undecim April 1 2020 08: 36 New
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                An interesting profession, but with cognac I meet much more often than with volcanoes.
                1. 3x3zsave April 1 2020 08: 58 New
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                  Alas, brandy is contraindicated to me ...
                  1. Undecim April 1 2020 09: 04 New
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                    In doses over 250 ml, it is contraindicated for everyone.
                    1. 3x3zsave April 1 2020 09: 08 New
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                      I have 50 and enough, a sharp increase in pressure, the last time I experimented about 10 years ago.
  • tihonmarine April 1 2020 08: 42 New
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    Memory, in general, is a tricky thing.

    In Tokyo it is impossible to conduct, again some sort of “byak” will creep out. Near Russia, Vladivostok and Irkutsk, you can conduct, and even the western people a tour of Siberia to do in places notable.
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      Quote: tihonmarine
      Irkutsk, it is possible to conduct, and even a Western people to make a tour of Siberia

      Do not no first bury the crownnegativeand then all sorts of excursions ...
      1. tihonmarine April 1 2020 09: 39 New
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        Quote: Insurgent
        first, bury the crown, and then all sorts of excursions ...

        Yes, Joseph Vissarionovich and without the “digs” excursions were not bad.
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          Quote: tihonmarine
          Yes, Joseph Vissarionovich and without the “digs” excursions were not bad.

          But the outbreaks of Anthrax were also ...
  • Alexander Sosnitsky April 1 2020 11: 33 New
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    And add the beginning of the flu epidemics in the 60s of the USSR, when I and one remained in the classroom. After the calls, several schoolchildren from school left the corridor. And before that it didn’t happen, but I didn’t have any viruses, and I don’t know what it is because of children's sports. Now I am sure that these were man-made epidemics, they did not even spare Europe. Countries that do not mind.
    1. Alexander Sosnitsky April 1 2020 11: 49 New
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      In my own under 70 today I will run the 4th day in a row at my 110 kg and gradually I go back to normal while 3-4 km. Previously, the standard was 8-9 km. I carry weight up to 100 kg (without load on the spine). Rowing in the summer of 15-20 km or more daily. I feel narcotic without any infection that I have never tried. I quit smoking in the 3rd grade and I don’t understand why to drag this muck in my mouth, there are better pleasures - a sense of life. In childhood, he was sick twice a year - all fall and all spring. After sports, I don’t get any viral diseases at all. By the specifics of the work, I get the flu every day, but I don’t get sick. Epidemics are for the weak.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc8S6pV9CXY
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GacLLFWZ_zg
      1. Snail N9 April 1 2020 12: 36 New
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        I get the flu every day, but don’t get sick.

        laughing love
        1. Alexander Sosnitsky April 1 2020 13: 15 New
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          I'm afraid to try this new infection, it is 100 pounds synthetic. But I have the impression that a person can withstand EVERYTHING if he is real. And the Crown brings down indecency. In nature, everything is necessary, even enemies. Otherwise, everyone themselves will spread out in a thin layer on the surface. "That's why the pike is at sea, so that crucian carp would not doze off."
  • Valery Valery April 1 2020 06: 37 New
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    Stop smoking, exercise, eat meat and porridge, minimize alcohol, follow good hygiene rules and the virus will recede.
    1. tihonmarine April 1 2020 09: 55 New
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      Quote: Valery Valery
      Stop smoking, exercise, eat meat and porridge, minimize alcohol,

      And they write that alcohol-containing disinfectants are most effective for mucous membranes, the oral cavity. Well, do not disinfect bleach.
    2. Phil77 April 1 2020 09: 58 New
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      Quote: Valery Valery
      Stop smoking, exercise, eat meat and porridge, minimize alcohol, follow good hygiene rules and the virus will recede.

      Damn, I don’t understand! Great advice. Where do you get the minus ??? recourse
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        I smoke, but I didn’t put the cons !! On the contrary! I put a plus! Because I constantly dream of self-perfection, high and distant, but for some reason I can’t even grab the dream by the tail crying wassat tongue
  • Pessimist22 April 1 2020 06: 39 New
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    America has muddied the virus and will make a gesheft on it, mmmmm interesting.
    The virus is evolution, those with good immunity will survive in the economy as well.
  • Phil77 April 1 2020 06: 40 New
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    Good morning! So who is stirring up psychosis? Are there personalities? By the way, I go to work the second day, but the patrols haven’t come across my eyes yet. I’m probably not going right!
    1. tihonmarine April 1 2020 09: 40 New
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      I guess I'm somehow not going right!

      That’s for sure, you don’t have to walk in gardens, but in the streets.
      1. Phil77 April 1 2020 10: 00 New
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        You won’t believe it! But it’s along the street that I’m walking, though .. Yes, still along the passage. laughing
  • bandabas April 1 2020 06: 42 New
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    What experience if there are no medical masks in pharmacies. Even doctors sew them themselves. Everything is beautiful only in the reports and reports of the leadership shaking for their posts. But on the "zombie" a bunch of tips on how to prepare a disposable mask for reuse, that is, make reusable. This is the same as reusing a used condom. But we help sworn friends.
    1. Phil77 April 1 2020 06: 46 New
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      They give them to us at work. As for the processing, I pulled the advice from work: for a while / 20-30 seconds / put the mask in the microwave. I did not try it myself, but ...
      1. bandabas April 1 2020 08: 33 New
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        Iron with an iron. Like a condom hi
        1. Alex_59 April 1 2020 08: 49 New
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          Quote: bandabas
          Iron with an iron. Like a condom

          You won’t believe it, but that’s exactly what needs to be done. Washing, plus steam treatment under high temperature and no viruses or germs will remain on the mask.
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            That is, one mask is enough for life? I do not believe!
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              Quote: bandabas
              That is, one mask is enough for life? I do not believe!

              Enough. It’s not easy to live long ...)))
              Black humor, quarrel could not resist
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            Quote: Alex_59
            You won’t believe it, but that’s exactly what needs to be done. Washing, plus steam treatment under high temperature and no viruses or germs will remain on the mask.

            Surprise, surprise. Staphylococcus aureus withstands 10 minutes of boiling.
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              Quote: Winnie76
              Surprise, surprise. Staphylococcus aureus withstands 10 minutes of boiling.

              And figs with him, you don’t wear a mask from him.
        2. Snail N9 April 1 2020 09: 10 New
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          Iron with an iron. Like a condom

          Through cheesecloth. laughing Speaking of gauze, go try it, buy it .....
        3. Phil77 April 1 2020 10: 02 New
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          For what I bought, for what I sold. Your right to believe, not to believe. laughing
          1. Ruslan67 April 1 2020 18: 07 New
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            Quote: Phil77
            For what I bought, for what I sold

            Bullshit of you businessman Seryoga recourse wassat
            1. Phil77 April 1 2020 20: 41 New
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              Quote: Ruslan67
              Bullshit of you businessman Seryoga

              But he was not too lazy, not afraid of the consequences, but took it and checked the information received! For? Yes! It became interesting! wink
              1. bubalik April 1 2020 21: 51 New
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                too lazy, not afraid of the consequences, but took and checked the information received! For? Yes! It became interesting

                ,,, Seryoga, next time, boil eggs in the microwave, at home. My wife will thank you repeat
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                  Late! This is already a completed stage! laughing laughing laughing JOKE!!!
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                    This is already a completed stage!
                    ,,, did not really do? belay
                    1. Phil77 April 2 2020 10: 39 New
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                      Well, Serge, well, what are you? no
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                        Today is an article about ships on a branch, but why and why it was cramped into * Opinions *? Well, the situation immediately arose. sad
      2. tihonmarine April 1 2020 09: 42 New
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        I have not tried it myself, but ..

        Well, the smoke will be in the apartment, although you need to try.
        1. Phil77 April 1 2020 10: 03 New
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          * ... and experience, the son of difficult mistakes ... * laughing Be of good cheer!
        2. Phil77 April 1 2020 12: 39 New
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          Conducted a test. * No casualties and destruction *. At work, put in the microwave, 40 seconds. Mode, smoke, fire and other things were not. Everything. yes
          1. bandabas April 1 2020 13: 06 New
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            Gas mask with a trunk did not lay down? Haha!
            1. Phil77 April 1 2020 13: 17 New
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              Oh! What an interesting thought you raised !!!! laughing laughing laughing
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                Quote: Phil77
                . At work, put in the microwave, 40 sec. Mode., Smoke, fire and other was not

                Quote: bandabas
                Gas mask with a trunk did not lay down?

                Quote: Phil77
                Oh! What an interesting thought you raised !!!!

                Would fire to hell both winked
                1. Phil77 April 1 2020 19: 41 New
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                  For sho, boss?!?! Curiosity should be encouraged! fool laughing
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          Yes, by the way. There is a small nuance! There are two types of nose clips for masks: metal and plastic. So, this method is possible only with plastic. I think no explanation is needed.
    2. Stas157 April 1 2020 07: 11 New
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      Remedies not only among the population, but even doctors do not have. Doctors at the reception of patients work in simple masks that do not save. Need a special, Chinese or respirator.

      But no one thinks to provide elementary means of protection against coronavirus. They are provided, as we have seen, only by senior management.
      1. bandabas April 1 2020 08: 36 New
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        It was smooth on paper. But, they forgot about the ravines. The main thing is do not freak out. And all will be well.
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      Yeah, in our town they were silent until yesterday about masks like fish on ice (they started to march on the spot). In a personal conversation I heard that it’s not good in such a difficult time to escalate the situation with provocative questions
      1. depressant April 1 2020 08: 58 New
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        Colleagues, you will laugh, but I have masks and surgical gloves. Once upon a time I read about the harmfulness of washing powder, they say, you will earn something, because it is sprayed! And if you wash it by hand, then you need gloves as protection against powder yad. Well, I diligently bought it. I put it on a couple of times - but what for! Inconvenient, troublesome. And now I remembered - I have them, armed and dangerous to the virus. It would be nice if the virus thought so.
        And in the pharmacies in our village, there are no masks, no gloves, no antiseptics and something else, and I don’t remember. Everywhere announcements hang. The population still amicably ignores self-isolation. The government refused to introduce an emergency mode, thereby relieving itself of responsibility for the spread of the virus. Well, that's fine, the population decided. Once the responsibility of infection has been blamed on us, we will figure it out ourselves. There was gloomy silence for a year, and now TVs are working everywhere, music is booming - dying, so with it!
        1. Snail N9 April 1 2020 09: 45 New
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          Why are you writing about the fact that there are no remedies and preventive measures in pharmacies? -Then a couple of days ago, some of me, here on the forum, were directly accused of "nonsense" and "escalating the situation" when I wrote about how my trying to buy it all ..
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            These are specially trained people))))))
            1. depressant April 1 2020 14: 48 New
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              They repent !!! wassat
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          Quote: depressant
          And in the pharmacies in our village, there are no masks, no gloves, no antiseptics and something else, and I don’t remember.

          So the optimization of medicine that took place before the pandemic began was successful? And we say reformers are not effective. lol
          In general, the market will clear everything. laughing There are plenty of masks for sale on Avito, though at a price repeat
        3. bandabas April 1 2020 13: 15 New
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          And I, cans of 40-k normal beef stew. Moreover, bought ... Well, about a year ago. how are we changing Via Russian Post or. I don’t know how. Joke. But there are respirators. Depressant. The main thing is not to worry. Everything will be fine!!!
      2. bandabas April 1 2020 09: 14 New
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        Leading the atmosphere guide. Like, we gave an order, then figure it out yourself.
    4. Gardamir April 1 2020 10: 36 New
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      But we help sworn friends.
      When they told you, they’re giving them away. it’s just that the people didn’t understand correctly who was their own.
      1. Snail N9 April 1 2020 10: 47 New
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        Well no. Just the habit of "pleasing" the gentleman, suddenly forgive the "serf" for the stolen and drank silver table ....
  • rotmistr60 April 1 2020 06: 52 New
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    Reality forces us to introduce certain restrictions, and it is simply necessary to put up with it and fulfill the requirements. Sooner or later, but it all ends, life will improve before the next pandemic (crisis). WHO has once again shown its worthlessness, insolvency and simple eating of billions allocated for the fight against various ebola, swine (bird) flu, now with the new coronovirus. Europe goes crazy stealing each other’s defenses without giving any help to each other. But at the same time, the European Parliament does not forget to accuse Russia and China of trying to cover up their insolvency in the fight against the threat with these charges. The German parliamentarians are yelling about Russia's guilt in the EU discord, of course, the Poles and the Balts are singing along with them.
    The euro parliamentarian from Spain accused the Chinese company Huawei that it (the company) is PR in misfortune and this despite the fact that the company provided assistance in protective equipment to 19 EU countries, including Of Spain. Huawei, tired of not the first accusation, said that it refuses to participate in EU political games and withdraws aid, but at the same time remains open for a constructive dialogue. During these days, so much shit was poured by the collective west on Russia and China, which is already necessary to measure not with barrels, but with tanks. They are trying to help them, and they writhing from powerlessness will cope on their own with crap, crap, crap.
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      Quote: rotmistr60
      Reality forces us to introduce certain restrictions and with this you just have to put up and follow the instructions.


      And you need to understand each without inner self-discipline, the performance of basic things in everyday life each, antiviral measures of the state, will only be delayed in time ...
    2. Van 16 April 1 2020 07: 19 New
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      There are various restrictions, we have transferred city transport to a "holiday" schedule, i.e. reduced the number and he now walks from 6 am to 8 pm, people on sea buses, what's good? And I work until 8 pm and how to get home?
      1. depressant April 1 2020 13: 45 New
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        Colleague Van 16, how to get there? In plastunsky! In general, I sympathize. Apparently, someone smart decided to force the people to isolate themselves like that. And you see what, they ran to work, they want a salary, cash reserves, you see, they don’t have it - how so? I also have a hoo what! I'm rich, but why are they so poor? Clever or what? Sobyanin, again, to the old people canceled the benefits of travel by transport. So as not to go. So that they go on self-isolation - what a concern! And the fact that the old people go for injections and procedures, without which they can’t survive, and for this reason they will continue to ride despite the coronavirus (it’s still necessary to catch it, and the diseases that the old people are saved from, have already been taken), it’s not known to the gray-haired mayor - how so? I’m healthy and still hoo, hehe, but why are they so sick?
        Sobyanin and others from power are not just far from the people. They are far from the people exactly at the stake of power with the inevitable transition to the camp of Satan.
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          Bravo! Very well written, respect from the bottom of my heart.
    3. tihonmarine April 1 2020 09: 49 New
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      Quote: rotmistr60
      Sooner or later, but it all ends, life will improve before the next pandemic (crisis).

      Yes, there is experience, one will leave, the next one will be invented in order to keep the masses in fear and obedience.
    4. depressant April 1 2020 14: 54 New
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      China all the shit that was poured on it, will gladly accept and - to fertilize the gardens, according to the ancient Chinese tradition))
      I don’t even understand how it happened. My remark was to be placed under the passionate and angry post of captain 60, and went off as a separate one. Is the VO site joking?
      Happy holiday, dear Administration! )))))))
  • saigon April 1 2020 06: 55 New
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    After all the initiatives you mentioned Klishas, ​​and all were from the series to keep and not let go, and suddenly concern for the freedoms of people, it is not clear why?
    By stay at home for a week, yeah, wait for freedom on barbecue crowd.
    In my opinion, the main freedom that no one should take away is freedom from the mind.
  • Grading April 1 2020 07: 02 New
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    Of course, I would like to recall a more relevant experience - the Russian one (both after the default and after the crisis of 2008-2009 and under damned sanctions). Even a biting generalizing heading came up with: "Virus: what after?"

    In the report of the “13 Abstracts on the Economy” dated March 30, the TsMAKP described the current situation in the Russian economy as a crisis, characterizing the current situation as “stalemate”. Long-term stagnation, deterioration of the structure and growth potential of the economy (this, according to the authors of the report, is caused by the policy of financial stabilization under external sanctions: an increase in the tax burden and budget savings, expensive credit and high requirements for borrowers) led to the fact that in 2019 business and citizens had no "margin of safety." Against this background, virtually the entire increase in industrial output is concentrated in three sectors: mining, the production of other types of raw materials, materials and components, and especially fertilizers, as well as the food industry. Now, the export of hydrocarbons and other raw materials from the focus of growth will turn into the cause of the collapse. The latter was felt already at the end of 2019, when the export of the Russian Federation began to suffer from the trade war of the United States and China, as well as the global stagnation of capital investments. According to the Federal State Statistics Service, already in January 2020, profit before taxes in processing collapsed in annual terms by 55%.
  • Free wind April 1 2020 07: 03 New
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    And how to use the Chinese experience? From the beginning, eat everything in a row, and then catch the diseased?
  • 3vs
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    I offer my preventative complex to maintain my body.
    If anyone is interested, here is a link to my petition addressed to ordinary people.
    Someone deleted the previous one, apparently, not everyone likes the idea that people get less sick and live longer.
    Here is a link to my petition:
    https://www.change.org/p/человечеству-мой-ответ-covid-19
  • matross April 1 2020 07: 06 New
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    I met a patrol of three perfectly packed and clearly armed young people. Either the commandos, or the cooler one, but certainly not from the Rosguard - there are thinner shots

    Yeah. Thinner. But in the photo, an employee of the non-departmental guard of the Russian Guard.
  • Mwg
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    “But there will definitely be an“ After ”, when too much will change in someone’s favor. In whose? Yes, in favor of those who are now pumping psychosis and simply juggling with numbers.” - Nah, the author is wrong. Change in favor of financial capital, which rules the country called the United States. Three trillion tanks were handed out in long-term loans to fight the virus, and then they will not be taken away by tanks, but in kind. The backstage is embracing a new type of business - pandemic. Behind him will be a vaccination business. And what? people hawala.
  • Mwg
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    Again the same thing: as someone writes about the participation of a country in the affairs of the backstage - the minuses are strewed. The system is traceable. Does an organized group of people work on the site?
    Dear moderator, I have a rational suggestion: it would be honest to make ALL the participants see who gives what kind of ratings to the comments, and not just the moderator. So we will conduct public control, but you will have less work)))
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      And I propose to put a minus after the comment of this post, where you want to put a minus
      1. aleksejkabanets April 1 2020 08: 54 New
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        Quote: _Sergey_
        And I propose to put a minus after the comment of this post, where you want to put a minus

        I don’t always have time to comment on obvious stupidities, but “so that ALL participants can see who gives any ratings for comments”, I think it would be right, although of course it is up to the moderators to decide.
        1. Snail N9 April 1 2020 10: 32 New
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          I remember how at the very beginning of "forum life" in the internet on many sites, in particular on the "trunk", you could see who put you a minus or plus. Then, for some reason, all this was removed. However, on the "trunk" (ixbt.com forum), you still have the opportunity to see in the profile "nicknames" of those who minus you the most or vice versa, put the pluses and "thank", or "express displeasure" for your comments. Useful feature, you can immediately see your "friends" and ..... "sworn friends". yes
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      Gyulchatay continued to hide her face, but regularly crap under the door ....
      ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
  • parusnik April 1 2020 07: 15 New
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    What is characteristic is that people of retirement and pre-retirement age die from the virus ... And literally not long ago, a wave of increase in retirement age passed around the world, and then bam and virus ... such a point .. laughing
    1. DEDPIHTO April 1 2020 07: 30 New
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      It would be interesting to know the date of manufacture of the yellow ,, kimono ,, wink
    2. Alex_59 April 1 2020 08: 47 New
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      Typically, people of retirement and pre-retirement age die from the virus ..

      In Perm today, the first patient died at the age of 48. In Moscow, about 40% of critically ill patients are people under the age of 60.
      So do not be fooled. Pensioners die a little more than middle-aged people, but this does not mean that middle-aged people do not die at all.
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        People with poor health are dying. Who has a chronic disease. Of course, the elderly, for the most part, have more chronic sores.
  • andrewkor April 1 2020 07: 17 New
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    But in Uzbekistan we tightened the screws tightly, though gradually To start shkolota and students left at home, transferred to udalenka. Then they closed all public and departmental transport. I got to work and back in private travels. Well, at least the prices weren't lifted up. The plant paid for the road.
    Then the private owners were stopped and special stickers for emergency services were introduced. For appearing on the street without a mask, a huge fine is even more severe for violating the quarantine, who were unlucky, right up to the deadline.
    Everything not connected with medicine, food, a communal apartment is closed by itself, banks also work, but to a limited extent Quarantine towns are being built in shock. Here I sit at home, wash myself. The plant was allowed to use two buses for workers from the region for a week, and city buses on vacation B / C .
    I have been living and working in Tashkent for 40 years.
  • Alex_59 April 1 2020 07: 25 New
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    But why is the world press, and the Russian one too, so lingeringly circulating a sobering statement by WHO experts that this organization “recognized the self-isolation of citizens as useless for the fight against coronavirus”?
    The article is yellow, the author must be scrapped.
    WHO did not recognize self-isolation as useless! WHO has said self-isolation is not enough to completely defeat the virus. Did anyone doubt it? If in doubt, then congratulations, no medication will help here.
    https://www.popmech.ru/science/news-561174-voz-nazvala-samoizolyaciyu-nedostatochnoy-dlya-borbi-s-koronavirusom/?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fyandex.ru%2Fnews
  • ssergey1978 April 1 2020 07: 31 New
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    As before I go to work, there are no patrols, I don’t notice any sanctions against the employer, everyone in FIG. We bought masks, gloves and disinfection and try to protect ourselves.
  • samarin1969 April 1 2020 07: 39 New
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    The authors played optimists .... Coronovirus is not measles, there is no vaccination from it. And the scale is not the same.
    Instead of a forecast, a "social doctor Myasnikov" was obtained.

    There are social facts.
    The richest, cynical and informed people in the world are losing trillions.
    In the Russian Federation yesterday there was a "parade of viral sovereignty": roadblocks, stone blocks. Instead of the structures of the federal structures of the Moscow Region, the Ministry of Emergencies, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the heads of the subjects took up the problem.
    The "almighty" propaganda finally got so lousy that it was forced to shut up.
    These are all signs of global confusion ...

    There is an event comparable to the war: devastating in casualties, "wounded" and economic losses. And in the Russian Federation, the Human Rights Council ... reflects: amnesty convicts or not. Klishas’s statement has amused a lot more “Japanese faces”. Well, the friendly howl at RBC restaurateurs, freelancers, impresario, underground theater-goers and other half-businessmen is just off scale. When the Union fell, none of them was interested in how tens of millions survived without work and salaries. And the "power vertical" is concerned about their "support."

    In war - as in war. But, “brothers and sisters”, T-bills, cards, state of siege, SMERSH filters were late for a month. And now, we can only rely on our strength and health. soldier
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      Quote: samarin1969
      In war - as in war. But, “brothers and sisters”, T-bills, cards, state of siege, SMERSH filters are late for a month

      Judging by the speed of dispersal of the epidemic in comparison with Italy, Spain and the USA, so far everything looks quite positive in our country. The growth rate is lower than ours. Therefore, there is a version that we just turned on quarantine exactly when necessary. But the final answer will give time. After three or four months.
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        Quote: Alex_59
        Quote: samarin1969
        In war - as in war. But, “brothers and sisters”, T-bills, cards, state of siege, SMERSH filters are late for a month

        Judging by the speed of dispersal of the epidemic in comparison with Italy, Spain and the USA, so far everything looks quite positive in our country. The growth rate is lower than ours. Therefore, there is a version that we just turned on quarantine exactly when necessary. But the final answer will give time. After three or four months.

        This is according to official statistics. But if you believe her in the middle class, in Russia, the majority of the inhabitants are included. In general, numbers will be drawn such as they say from above.
    2. aleksejkabanets April 1 2020 08: 58 New
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      Saving the drowning, the work of the drowning themselves, unfortunately.
  • Avior April 1 2020 07: 57 New
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    At the first stage, the ratio of dead and recovered is frightening, as in Holland, where yesterday there are 250 recovered per thousand dead
    But as the pandemic ends, the ratio will change - they just recover in three weeks, and die much faster :(
    Final conclusions can be drawn when there are fewer cases, and those who have not died will be recovered.
    1. AU Ivanov. April 1 2020 14: 12 New
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      If we take into account all patients, including asymptomatic and mild forms that have not been consulted by doctors, the mortality rate will be very small. But the scale of the pandemic is terrifying.
  • Cowbra April 1 2020 08: 07 New
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    But why is the world press, and the Russian one too, so lingeringly circulating a sobering statement by WHO experts that this organization “recognized the self-isolation of citizens as useless for the fight against coronavirus”?

    And the meaning of self-isolation is not in the fight against the crown, but in the fight against panic. If even in VO crowds with bulging eyes rush about (dad said nothing), buying Belizna and pouring doors to her neighbors (she rides, covering the khan) ... What is happening in the midst of the saleswomen and heaped?
    It would not be worth starting with advertising commercial clinics that open all doors to the fight against COVID-19, but with the operational training of thousands of normal hospital wards, and not just beds.
    And in two weeks you will pay these infectious diseases empty from your pocket and whine - the government has raised taxes!
    1. aleksejkabanets April 1 2020 09: 01 New
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      Quote: Cowbra
      And in two weeks you will pay these infectious diseases empty from your pocket and whine - the government has raised taxes!

      Medicine in general should not have any commercial component, in my opinion.
      1. Mordvin 3 April 1 2020 09: 05 New
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        Medicine in general should not have any commercial component, in my opinion.

        At least two do not agree with you. Ivanov and Krasnodar.
        1. AU Ivanov. April 1 2020 14: 17 New
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          Hippocrates also disagrees with you:
          "Do not heal for free, because the one who is treated for free sooner or later ceases to value his health, and the one who heals for free, sooner or later ceases to value the results of his work"
          Another thing is that paid medicine should be affordable for everyone.
          1. Mordvin 3 April 1 2020 14: 49 New
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            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            Another thing is that paid medicine should be affordable for everyone.

            I can’t afford it. Dad was released a week ago with a pipe in his belly.
      2. Cowbra April 1 2020 09: 06 New
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        Medicine in general should not have any commercial component, in my opinion.

        In-of! I have been talking about this since the 90s! Here the meaning is simple. Commerce is a "sell". The cured doctor is a CRUCK seller, but a good doctor. He should not be interested in this.
        But the state needs you to be sick as little as possible. While you are sick, the state pays you, while you are healthy, you pay the state. Even a pensioner is not on hospital meals. and pays to the store - taxes to the state.
        Well, what should medicine be like?
        1. AU Ivanov. April 1 2020 14: 59 New
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          Insurance. The employer pays for the treatment of his employee with insurance, budget medicine for children and senior citizens, as well as emergency. Budget medicine is a poor doctor who is not interested in improving his qualifications.
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            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            The employer pays for the treatment of his employee with insurance

            Is that all right? Beggar bum freezing on the street - I drove such in the 90s, they are also people. But the eternal thing, for example - not a Russian, French office - well, Madame got pregnant, well, what for does she pay? And we will fire her! With insurance.
            And I know exactly such an analogue with my friend - but already the city of Newark. at the states)
            1. AU Ivanov. April 1 2020 15: 36 New
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              There must be a balance between paid and free. I lived in Argentina for a while, there the medicine is free, even for foreigners. But the problems are typical of budget medicine - medical institutions are routinely ushatany, the salary of a doctor, if he does not work in commercial clinics, is low. Although the level of specialists is very good. Well, compliance with labor laws is a direct task of the state, it can be done so that dismissing a pregnant woman will be more expensive for the employer than paying her insurance.
  • Snail N9 April 1 2020 08: 14 New
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    I like the urgently adopted law on harsh punishment of distributors of "fake coronovirus". I’m wondering what is meant by “fakes”? What information is now "fake"? Virus origin information other than "officially accepted"? Information on the causes of pandemic, its onset and the number of cases, different from the "officially voiced"? Information on the availability of anti-epidemic remedies and drugs in pharmacies that differs from the official point of view? Any other information that casts doubt on the effectiveness of the measures taken by the authorities to stop the pandemic and treat the sick? Nothing, all this, does not remind?
    1. Cowbra April 1 2020 08: 47 New
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      "DISTRIBUTION OF FALSE RUMORS." One already walked yesterday
      https://ren.tv/news/x/680055-glavu-aliansa-vrachei-vyzvali-v-sk-iz-za-feika-pro-koronavirus
      I explain. Suppose you even said one woman from the hospital, and the sidekick confirmed that there were just as many deaths from KOVID in the hospital. The statistics are published by COUNTRY - do you have an informant in all hospitals, and not the orderlies, but the head physician - few people even know the statistics on the hospital in the hospital? Knowingly lying. Hope sits down
  • Hermit21 April 1 2020 08: 18 New
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    A simple calculation shows that, ceteris paribus, it may well “shine” to us 100 thousand or so. Let's hope that Soviet medicine, we admit, is very poor from a material point of view, but for some reason it is no less effective, not yet completely destroyed


    Instead of crookedly jabbing with a poorly concealed anticipation of a disaster, it would be nice to poke Google for five minutes. In the West, there is no such medical specialty as an infectious disease specialist or an epidemiologist and there are no specialized departments and clinics. In addition, the Russian troops of the Russian Chemical Forces and Emergencies Ministry are much more effective and better prepared to deal with the corresponding threat than similar Western structures. The author is corny does not understand the issue and stupidly hype on the topic
  • svskor80 April 1 2020 08: 20 New
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    Khakassia Governor Viktor Zimin

    In Khakassia (a noun is spelled with one c), the governor Valentin Konovalov, ex-governor Zimin.
  • Keyser soze April 1 2020 09: 16 New
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    It is not a trend to write about this epidemic in numbers. But let's look at it, the benefit of quarantine, there are not so many cases:



    The graphic shows mortality from this epidemic in the EU. In the same Italy, in the 2016/17 season, 24 thousand died of flu, and until then, about 11 thousand. In Italy, at least 10 thousand per season died every year. Now there are articles in which the high mortality rate in Italy (in addition to population obsolescence) is mentioned and the technique of registering death, such as a person dying of a flu, and other diseases do not fit into the cause of death.



    We see a chart with the CDC data in Atlanta about the mortality of this virus. With the development of the epidemic, mortality will fall, because data on the sick in general are being specified. In Germany, mortality is 0,6%.



    This graphic shows hospitalizations in Shchats, in different seasons, compared with etim. We see that hospitalizations are far from extraordinary. And the flu season will end in a month ....



    Above, we see the general reflection (impact) in Shchats (CDC data in Atlanta), compared with coronavirus.

    People will start writing and reading statistics when the panic ends. And what they find there will not be Justinian's plague. This will cause a million questions, why suddenly people decided to ruin the world economy. And who needed it.

    I am not a supporter of conspiracy theories, but in this crisis I do not understand anything. There is no logic here.
    1. Alex_59 April 1 2020 10: 00 New
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      I am not a supporter of conspiracy theories, but in this crisis I do not understand anything. There is no logic here.

      Yes, everything is fine here with the logic. COVID is an animal disease virus that has mutated and has been able to infect humans. Over millions of years of evolution, a person has developed immunity to many diseases, but not to this one. Therefore, such emergency measures.
      The other day I watched an interview with one of the first recovered patients in Moscow. The girl is 31 years old, that is, it seems to be not at risk. She describes the disease as three weeks of torment, significantly more severe than with ordinary flu. And even after discharge, she does not feel completely healthy and continues to remain on sick leave at home, takes antibiotics and is difficult for her to move around, quickly gets tired.
      Now you think that measures are redundant. And when it’s over they will write something like “why did they create such a panic, why did they impose such a strong quarantine, because the pandemic was not so big”. That's right, it wasn’t, it was thanks to quarantine and such severe restrictions that it didn’t become like that. And if there were no restrictions, it would be like in 1918. 100 million dead (6% of the world's population died out!)
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        Quote: Alex_59

        Yes, everything is fine here with the logic. COVID is an animal disease virus that has mutated and has been able to infect humans. Over millions of years of evolution, a person has developed immunity to many diseases, but not to this one. Therefore, such emergency measures.
        The other day I watched an interview with one of the first recovered patients in Moscow. ...
        Now you think that measures are redundant. And when it’s over they will write something like “why did they create such a panic, why did they impose such a strong quarantine, because the pandemic was not so big”. That's right, it wasn’t, it was thanks to quarantine and such severe restrictions that it didn’t become like that. And if there were no restrictions, it would be like in 1918. 100 million dead (6% of the world's population died out!)


        Alex. hi The most balanced comment.
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      There is no logic here.

      This is a politically motivated panic. You wrote earlier. that there is no redistribution of the market, it is precisely under the guise of this panic and closure of borders that markets are divided. You see, that all of Europe was faced with the need to produce for the country everything NECESSARY - inside the country. Globalization is over, we share markets.
      PiSi: and you wrote everything correctly about the flu. EVERY year on the planet - from 200 to 600 thousand deaths - and nothing, no one panics.
      1. Keyser soze April 1 2020 11: 31 New
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        Globalization is over, we share markets.


        Yes, I hinted at UTB, but there is no evidence, so I did not want to write speculation. For me, zeroing through this crisis of imbalances and balloons in the world economy is also very likely. The masters of this world have decided to nullify debts, to falsify companies and powers, and set off a panic of the world. But we will see everything in the next months, whether it is so or not.
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          There will be no evidence. Those who fanned this panic are not fools to sign their own death sentence. And only those who have fanned the panic have evidence!
          And what will happen - listen, there are no options here. Do you have problems in your country due to border closures? I am sure there is. You already solve them now. That is, what you bought before - you are trying to produce at home. This will not be closed, at most they will be preserved, but they will be left - just in case, if the situation repeats itself. YOUR market is already divided NOW. And so in every EU country! Not "will" - it's all happening right now!
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            I am sure there is. You already solve them now. That is, what you bought before - you are trying to produce at home.


            This is exactly the case. For several days, they began to produce masks, disinfectants, medical suits and much more. Yes, and earlier, a few days ago, a Brussels functionary said that we must again begin to produce many things inside Europe and not rely on imports. Looks like you're right.
  • kriten April 1 2020 09: 43 New
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    Forcing the authorities into a semi-catastrophic environment is clearly talking about political goals. The failure of an economic policy built only on pipes, gross political and economic miscalculations, plus the desire to stay near the top elite with opportunities to continue robbing the country, paying taxes and hiding the loot abroad makes it possible to extend this power elite only in almost emergency situations.
  • IL-64 April 1 2020 09: 45 New
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    We all will die? I read the article, I didn’t understand anything. Who do you need to wet? Who is the enemy?
  • Grading April 1 2020 10: 52 New
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    73% of outlets were temporarily closed in Moscow, and 58% in St. Petersburg. In the Central District, 46% of outlets were quarantined, in the North-West - 43%, in the Urals - 39%, in the Volga - 36%, in the South - 34%, in the Siberian and Far Eastern - 27%.

    According to company analysts, in the next three months every second entrepreneur in Russia risks losing his job.
    1. Snail N9 April 1 2020 11: 10 New
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      Wangyu: in a month- “Avito” will be littered with anything at bargain prices — people will look for money, in any way. And then ... I don’t even want to think what will happen next ....
  • depressant April 1 2020 11: 21 New
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    I re-read the article more carefully.
    Mr. Author ... Actually, the head physician of the famous Kommunarka caught the coronavirus! The doctor with whom the Guarantor of our stability spoke without a mask.
    In general, doctors are very sorry. No matter how hard they try, they cannot protect themselves from infection. The virus mows them.
  • iouris April 1 2020 11: 40 New
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    It’s a pity, for “a good thought comes afterwards”. Again, lose time.
  • Operator April 1 2020 12: 54 New
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    The article is a creepy ordering from VO competitors: after the author of the article stated that 100 of us died from the coronavirus, the VO specifically ran into fines for fake epidemics.
    1. Normal ok April 1 2020 15: 29 New
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      The article is a creepy ordering from VO competitors: after the author of the article stated that 100 of us died from the coronavirus, the VO specifically ran into fines for fake epidemics.

      And who are the "competitors" of VO? Channel "Star"? laughing
      1. Operator April 1 2020 15: 30 New
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        Why do you need it? laughing
  • Grafova Irina April 1 2020 13: 07 New
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    Someone makes very good money on all this ...
    1. Normal ok April 1 2020 15: 32 New
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      Quote: Grafova Irina
      Someone makes very good money on all this ...

      I will say more: on any "this" someone will always make money.
  • Grading April 1 2020 13: 57 New
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    Someone makes very good money on all this ...

    pharmaceuticals, manufacturers of protective equipment, medical equipment, funeral services
  • Shahno April 1 2020 15: 45 New
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    According to the mortality rate from the virus, anyone now has the minimum indicators. The Germans and even we, the Israelis. True, the sample is still small ... But still.
    1. Operator April 1 2020 15: 48 New
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      For Germans and Israelis, mortality is not small, but its “accounting” is tightly set laughing
      1. Shahno April 1 2020 15: 51 New
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        In principle, I agree on us. Our Arab sector is poorly covered. For the Germans, I think, everything is more transparent.
        1. Operator April 1 2020 16: 07 New
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          The Germans have a specific method - if a person infected with coronavirus died of pneumonia, but was chronically ill with diabetes mellitus or bronchial asthma, then the report calls one of these diseases the cause of death (i.e., denying the fact that a chronic patient would have lived for many more years, not start a pandemic).

          In the United States, no one has yet canceled the methodology of the local Ministry of Health on the total count of deaths from SARS (without separation into flu, coronavirus, etc.).

          In Italy, due to the 100% reassignment of medical facilities to infectious diseases, many deaths at home and the absence of an autopsy in the morgues, almost all deaths are considered dead from coronavirus (with the exception of visible injuries incompatible with life).

          Therefore, the final calculation of mortality from coronavirus is possible only by a single method and only after the end of the pandemic.

          PS In Russia today, for the first time, a decrease in the daily growth of infected with coronavirus is recorded - from five to four hundred (pah, pah, pah).
  • Shahno April 1 2020 16: 15 New
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    The Germans have a specific method - if a person infected with coronavirus died of pneumonia, but was chronically ill with diabetes mellitus or bronchial asthma, then the report calls one of these diseases the cause of death (i.e., denying the fact that a chronic patient would have lived for many more years, not start a pandemic).

    In the United States, no one has yet canceled the methodology of the local Ministry of Health on the total count of deaths from SARS (without separation into flu, coronavirus, etc.).

    In Italy, due to the 100% reassignment of medical facilities to infectious diseases, many deaths at home and the absence of an autopsy in the morgues, almost all deaths are considered dead from coronavirus (with the exception of visible injuries incompatible with life).

    Therefore, the final calculation of mortality from coronavirus is possible only by a single method and only after the end of the pandemic.

    PS In Russia today, for the first time, a decrease in the daily growth of infected with coronavirus is recorded - from five to four hundred (pah, pah, pah).

    Here you are right. Again. There is a count in registered patients, there is a count in dead. We now cannot deny that the picture in Germany and Israel is better compared to other countries ..
  • Shahno April 1 2020 17: 14 New
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    You won’t believe it, but that’s exactly what needs to be done. Washing, plus steam treatment under high temperature and no viruses or germs will remain on the mask.

    Surprise, surprise. Staphylococcus aureus withstands 10 minutes of boiling.
    Until the vaccine is tested, it will be so.
    Ps. Some sort of his genome is changeable quickly .. ..
    Not otherwise alien
  • boni592807 April 2 2020 13: 26 New
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    I understand the enthusiasm of the participants in the discussion. But, there are more ordinary and nonetheless serious questions. hi
    With money in the Russian Federation, in any case, now everything is in order. The question is whether all pensioners have the opportunity to get their money including pensions. A significant part of pensioners receives pensions for the savings book of Sberbank and stores them there. Find now a branch of Sberbank, where you can get your money and in the future, your pension (soon 03.04.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX), it does not work. Contact by phone of Sberbank, Sberbank’s electronic talker “does not understand the question” about where to get money from the savings book. This is in self-isolation mode, but God forbid it will be tougher ?! belay
    What to live now ?! Not to say how and where to pay: utilities, electricity, communications incl. someone has internet. Not everyone can pay remotely. Not payment, it means shutdown. Those. planned social explosion. Sberbank has data on the number and location of such a contingent. And where, the measures taken or IMAGE already for sure- EVERYTHING negative
    Those who wish to show off erudition, that it was necessary to take cards., wassat Question:
    card, provides transparency of care of YOUR funds, protects against coronovirus?
    You take money from an ATM. You are sure that all money is sanitized,
    and ATMs, the same after each visitor? .,
    Do the terminals in the store disinfect after each customer?
    Bottom line: April 1, as corresponds to the day, showed no professionalism and gross errors. What tomorrow...
  • TatarinSSSR April 5 2020 00: 55 New
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    Yes, nothing will change "after." As Russian society was "herd" meek, so be it. Half go on a credit car, the same amount for a mortgage payment. And because the population sideways, what will happen after, only one thing is important for him - let him go to work and do not deprive her. But if they are deprived of work and salaries ..... Here the Russian Guard will not help, they will wash themselves with a red rag