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Israeli assault rifles: weapons stagnation or systematic development

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Israel is traditionally considered one of the leaders in the global small arms market weapons. Especially Israelis succeeded in creating assault rifles.


The success of the Israeli military industry was accompanied by several factors. Firstly, Israel, as a warring state, always needed very effective weapons, preferably its own production, in order to avoid problems associated with restrictions on arms supplies.

Secondly, the specificity of the state was that it brought together many talented engineers and designers who repatriated to historical homeland or those born in the families of returnees. Finally, Israel has always paid great attention, including financially, to advanced developments.

Currently, Israel is one of the world leaders in sales of light weapons, including assault rifles, which is very good, given the small population and small territory of this country. So, one of the most common is the Galil machine, which was developed in due time according to the project of Israeli designer Israel Galili. Ironically, the real name of Galili was Balashnikov and differed only in one letter from the name of the legendary Mikhail Kalashnikov, the designer of Soviet automatic rifles. A sort of machine gun Balashnikov ...

The demand for Galil assault rifles is evidenced even by the fact that they were considered as a possible alternative to Kalashnikov assault rifles by the command of the Vietnam People’s Army, and after all, Vietnam has always armed its AK army. But then, the idea of ​​replacing the AK with Israeli machine guns, Hanoi refused and proceeded to modernize the AK, which are in service with the units of the Vietnam People’s Army.

However, in Israel “Galil” back in 2007 was withdrawn from service of all units of the Tsakhal. A number of shortcomings, including a large mass of weapons, high production costs, difficulties with accurate sighting, eventually forced Israel to abandon the operation of this machine.


However, the further development of the Galash Balashnikov assault rifle was the Galil Ace assault rifle, now manufactured under license by Colombia. It is in service with the armies and police of a number of Latin American countries - Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Ecuador, Chile, Peru, as well as Vietnam.

Last year, at the LAAD 2019 exhibition, the Israeli company IWI introduced a new model of the Carmel assault rifle in caliber 5,56x45. The rifle is designed for standard 30-cartridge stores of NATO. There are four options for barrel length - 267, 305, 368 and 406 mm. The mass of the rifle without a magazine is 3,3 kg. The weapon itself is made of steel, aluminum and polymeric materials, while being designed in such a way that it is convenient for both right-handed and left-handed people, which is also important for use.

Interestingly, the Carmel rifle was not accidentally presented at the Latin American exhibition in Rio de Janeiro (Brazil). Now the Israeli arms companies are trying to develop a very promising market in Latin America, which spend a lot of money on weapons for the army and police and do not mind acquiring well-proven Israeli-made weapons.

The Israel Defense Forces themselves are not yet going to abandon the Tavor X95 assault rifle, developed by the same company IWI for special forces of the Israeli army and police. The command of the Tsakhal said that in the foreseeable future it would be the X95 that will become the main small arms of the infantry units of the Israeli army.


Thus, the Israeli military industry presents new models of small arms, including assault rifles. Obsolete models are written off, they are replaced by new ones, designed with the correction of previous errors. Considering that Israeli products are very popular in the world market, it is not necessary to say that the development and production of assault rifles in Israel has stagnated, are at a stagnation stage.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 31 March 2020 12: 40 New
    +5
    Ironically, the real name of Galili was Balashnikov and differed only in one letter from the surname of the legendary Mikhail Kalashnikov - the designer of Soviet machine guns. A sort of machine gun Balashnikov ...
    I wonder how many letters are different from the surname of the Chinese "Kalashnikov"?
    1. fk7777777
      fk7777777 31 March 2020 13: 08 New
      +1
      There are no letters in Chinese, there are hieroglyphs with an alphabet of 5, simplified of 000.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 April 1 2020 17: 43 New
        -1
        Quote: fk7777777
        there are hieroglyphs

        So these are the letters, only Chinese.
  2. knn54
    knn54 31 March 2020 12: 50 New
    +4
    They studied the advantages and disadvantages of the AK-47 and created the Galil.
    1. 32363
      32363 31 March 2020 12: 59 New
      -28
      Quote: knn54
      They studied the advantages and disadvantages of the AK-47 and created the Galil.

      Kalashnikov did the same by studying STG44 and creating AK46.
      1. Mik13
        Mik13 31 March 2020 16: 02 New
        19
        Quote: 32363
        Kalashnikov did the same by studying STG44 and creating AK46.

        It’s noticeable that in schools quarantine ...
    2. Uncle Izya
      Uncle Izya 31 March 2020 14: 15 New
      +5
      Well, it seems like a Finnish Kalashnikov galil was created
      1. knn54
        knn54 31 March 2020 15: 06 New
        +8
        Israel had a lot of captured "Kalash". And the Finnish copy, the prototype of which was also AKM, was acquired later, before the next modernization. By the way, the leaders of the Israeli arms company themselves did not deny this.
        1. Alexey Lobanov
          Alexey Lobanov April 2 2020 16: 38 New
          0
          Quote: knn54
          Israel had a lot of captured "Kalash". And the Finnish copy, the prototype of which was also AKM, was acquired later, before the next modernization. By the way, the leaders of the Israeli arms company themselves did not deny this.

          Valmet is licked with AK, not AKM. Milled box against stamping.
    3. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 31 March 2020 16: 16 New
      0
      I do not know what disadvantages AK has in comparison with Galil, but Tavor received a strictly negative assessment in UkroSS. Perhaps the gnarled hands of collectors in Vinnitsa, perhaps the habit of "Kalash".
      1. borberd
        borberd 31 March 2020 16: 53 New
        +2
        In the internet on only one Ukrainian forum I saw a negative post about Tar-21 in the Ukrainian version. Moreover, the post was a reference to the opinion of a friend.
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 31 March 2020 17: 33 New
          0
          Yeah, that was my post. An acquaintance of mine, he served on Pervomaisky Island (already in Ukraine), then the Gepard regiment. Now he also serves. I talked with servicemen whose "Tavors" - negative reviews. Why I don't know, I didn't go into details. Now I cannot clarify, he is there again.
          1. borberd
            borberd 31 March 2020 18: 05 New
            +6
            The world is small wassat . A nephew serves in Tsahal - some special forces. Runs with Tar-21 of the first models. He says that everything suits him. He used to have an M-4, it seems. He said that they are about the same, but the brand is more convenient for him. His Tabor looks old, yuzany. It’s immediately obvious that he’s not only on guard.
            1. TermNachTer
              TermNachTer 31 March 2020 18: 16 New
              0
              Maybe - I will not argue. For what I bought, for what I sold.
            2. bunta
              bunta 31 March 2020 21: 36 New
              -4
              Quote: borberd
              A nephew serves in Tsahal - some special forces. Runs with Tar-21 of the first models. He says that everything suits him

              Send him to the Donbass to dill in the trenches. Let's see which song will be sung.
      2. Talgat 148
        Talgat 148 April 1 2020 05: 06 New
        0
        X95 is a good machine, a lot of pluses, but about a negative assessment this is a repeat of the story with the SVT-40 automatic rifle and the Mosin rifle! Kalash as Mosinka is not demanding in maintenance, and good technological products require a professional approach.
      3. Alexey Lobanov
        Alexey Lobanov April 2 2020 16: 41 New
        +1
        Quote: TermNachTER
        I do not know what disadvantages AK has in comparison with Galil, but Tavor received a strictly negative assessment in UkroSS. Perhaps the gnarled hands of collectors in Vinnitsa, perhaps the habit of "Kalash".

        Well, in Israel itself the 21st is already out of date. x95 decides :).
    4. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek April 1 2020 19: 53 New
      0
      We bought a license from Finland, which has already done some of this work.
    5. Alexey Lobanov
      Alexey Lobanov April 2 2020 16: 35 New
      0
      Quote: knn54
      They studied the advantages and disadvantages of the AK-47 and created the Galil.

      Of the shortcomings of AK (and Valmet), they corrected only the lack of side mounting for an optical bracket (I must say - very talented), but it was rather a decision of the time, still the 73rd year, and not the 47th. Well, and switched to a low-pulse cartridge.
  3. Professor
    Professor 31 March 2020 13: 01 New
    +7
    The demand for Galil assault rifles is evidenced even by the fact that they were considered as a possible alternative to Kalashnikov assault rifles by the command of the Vietnam People’s Army, and after all, Vietnam has always armed its AK army. But then, the idea of ​​replacing the AK with Israeli machine guns, Hanoi refused and proceeded to modernize the AK, which are in service with the units of the Vietnam People’s Army.

    No. Vietnam purchased the Galileo plant.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 31 March 2020 13: 10 New
      12
      Quote: Professor

      No. Vietnam purchased the Galileo plant.

      And it is fully armed with regular parts.


      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 April 1 2020 17: 47 New
        0
        Clone army, damn it. all on one face, especially in the last photo.
    2. Uncle Izya
      Uncle Izya 31 March 2020 14: 18 New
      +2
      About what kind of people in Hollywood, how many years, how many winters. Probably quarantined boring))
    3. mat-vey
      mat-vey 31 March 2020 19: 15 New
      0
      Quote: Professor
      No. Vietnam purchased the Galileo plant.

      And you do not happen to know when this happened?
      1. Professor
        Professor April 1 2020 07: 36 New
        +3
        Quote: mat-vey
        Quote: Professor
        No. Vietnam purchased the Galileo plant.

        And you do not happen to know when this happened?

        I wrote an article about this here on June 8, 2013.
        https://topwar.ru/29157-izrailskaya-voennaya-promyshlennost-iwi-namerena-nachat-proizvodstvo-oruzhiya-vo-vetname.html

        Mar 3, 2014 was announced the start of production.
        https://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/content/production-galil-rifles-vietnam-has-begun
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey April 1 2020 07: 43 New
          0
          Thank...)
  4. fk7777777
    fk7777777 31 March 2020 13: 06 New
    -15
    Yeah, so the historical "homeland", presented to everyone around, in 2000 years, the creation of a matriarchal and purely religious state, where the basic law is the old testament. Is it generally a normal head? ...
    1. borberd
      borberd 31 March 2020 13: 20 New
      15
      I didn’t understand anything, but it was very interesting (c). Continue to please us with your opinion ...
      1. indy424
        indy424 31 March 2020 14: 00 New
        +6
        - what a cunning person
        - and what did he want?
        - I did not understand (s)
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 31 March 2020 13: 49 New
      +3
      What did you mean? "Announce the entire list, please." (from) laughing
    3. Uncle Izya
      Uncle Izya 31 March 2020 14: 19 New
      -1
      Well, in Poland, the Catholic Church rules this on Sunday. Everything is closed.
  5. bunta
    bunta 31 March 2020 13: 22 New
    +7
    Thus, the Israeli military industry presents new models of small arms, including assault rifles. Obsolete models are written off, they are replaced by new ones, designed with the correction of previous errors.
    The color of the cap changes. The store, the automation mechanism and the locking method remain the same.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 31 March 2020 16: 51 New
      +8
      Galil goes for export to places where they like to shoot bursts.
      Tavor, as a much more accurate weapon, for his infantry.
      1. Alexey Lobanov
        Alexey Lobanov April 3 2020 00: 58 New
        +2
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Galil goes for export to places where they like to shoot bursts.
        Tavor, as a much more accurate weapon, for his infantry.

        If about 21 - yeah, the brothers do not like queues! :)))
        Tavor is not at all more crowded than Galil, put optics or a collimator on Galil, accuracy will be no worse. A brand without optics or a collimator with its hinged whole and front sight - :))))
  6. Operator
    Operator 31 March 2020 13: 51 New
    -5
    Balashnikov lost to Kalashnikov by correspondence laughing

    The low technical level of Israeli small arms perfectly illustrates the IDF’s refusal from local crafts and the use of American and European weapons.

    Israeli small arms are in demand only among the natives of Asia, Africa and South America.
    1. indy424
      indy424 31 March 2020 14: 04 New
      +2
      invented yourself or who suggested?
    2. Zeev Zeev
      Zeev Zeev 31 March 2020 14: 11 New
      +7
      Fronting natives from the Bundeswehr with Uzi, savages from the Portuguese Airborne Forces with Galile and the backward American SWAT with Tavors ...
      1. Operator
        Operator 31 March 2020 14: 30 New
        +1
        You have always been distinguished by balanced posts - but where did you see the Uzi as an army weapon in the Bundeswehr, how many Portuguese Airborne Forces (God forgive me) and what is the equipment of different models of small arms of one policeman in the American SWAT?

        Of course, there are still state supplies in case of war - for example, we have trilines, nagans, etc. in them. (such as not to throw away the same). But that doesn’t mean that PCA is cool laughing
        1. indy424
          indy424 31 March 2020 14: 33 New
          +2
          "perfectly illustrates the fact of the IDF's refusal of local crafts and the use of American and European weapons." - Today, most of the infantry units will use the Tavor and Negev. What European small arms are used in the IDF?
          1. Zeev Zeev
            Zeev Zeev 31 March 2020 14: 56 New
            +1
            FN MAG (Belgium) is used in the IDF.
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            2. indy424
              indy424 31 March 2020 20: 23 New
              0
              at least part of the magicians have long been doing themselves too
              1. Zeev Zeev
                Zeev Zeev 31 March 2020 21: 02 New
                0
                Part of the MAGs was ours, part of the Belgian. About two years ago I saw the American M240.
        2. Zeev Zeev
          Zeev Zeev 31 March 2020 14: 50 New
          +5
          Tankers in the Bundeswehr have been using Uzis since 1959, the Portuguese Airborne Forces are the Rapid Response Brigade, and the SWAT and Capitol Police are small organizations. But these are only the "fronting natives". More civilized guys, like the Vietnamese Marine Corps or the Indian Airborne Forces, use Israeli barrels for fun.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 31 March 2020 16: 19 New
            -1
            Quote: Zeev Zeev
            More civilized guys like Vietnam’s Marine Corps or India’s Airborne Forces use Israeli trunks for fun.

            Rather, because it is impossible to obtain a license from other manufacturers.
            1. Zeev Zeev
              Zeev Zeev 31 March 2020 17: 41 New
              +5
              Well, of course. Only here every Tuesday they talk about the construction of licensed rifle factories in Azerbaijan, then in Venezuela, then in India. Half the world produces the M-16, the old G3 is in full swing in a dozen countries ... But no, no one is selling a license.
      2. Professor
        Professor 31 March 2020 14: 53 New
        +4
        Quote: Zeev Zeev
        Fronting natives from the Bundeswehr with Uzi, savages from the Portuguese Airborne Forces with Galile and the backward American SWAT with Tavors ...

        Do not feed the troll. Let it go hungry.
    3. mmaxx
      mmaxx April 1 2020 07: 50 New
      +3
      Yes, the Israelis simply "eliminated the shortcomings" of the AK and introduced some conveniences, as a result of which the price flew into space. It became cheaper to buy from amerikosov. Especially taking into account the fact that the money for American weapons was donated by the Americans themselves, with the condition of buying American weapons with them.
    4. Alexey Lobanov
      Alexey Lobanov April 2 2020 16: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: Operator
      Balashnikov lost to Kalashnikov by correspondence laughing

      The low technical level of Israeli small arms perfectly illustrates the IDF’s refusal from local crafts and the use of American and European weapons.

      Israeli small arms are in demand only among the natives of Asia, Africa and South America.

      Rave. The quality of the Israeli rifle is very high. Amerov’s m4s are just a freebie, they practically don’t use European weapons in Israel. X95 will gradually replace all other systems in the army. And Balashnikov did not compete with Kalashnikov, he simply copied it with minor changes. And about the natives you are in vain, South Africa and Vietnam are very versed in weapons.
      1. Operator
        Operator April 2 2020 18: 04 New
        0
        You do not follow the profile sites - Galil was sent to the warehouses, and the M16 was sent to the infantry, which the IDF servicemen participating in the Russian-language forums greatly approve of (due to the greater reliability of the M16). The same is with the light machine gun - they speak better of the Belgian "Minimi" than of the domestic "Negev".

        Balashnikov did not compete with anyone at all - he was simply appointed as the designer of the Israeli clone of the Finnish assault rifle, purchased with all the technological giblets, and this closed the question.

        Israel has a good technological culture of production, but with local gunsmiths they have strained - one taurface is worth laughing
        1. Alexey Lobanov
          Alexey Lobanov April 2 2020 18: 29 New
          +1
          Quote: Operator
          You do not follow profile sites

          I follow :)
          Galil is much more reliable than emki, he’s just heavy.
          The Negev is the same mini, only for shops from Galil or tape. You contradict yourself, "good technological culture" and "the Negev is abused".
          Tavorface is you about 21, x95 all the rules.
          1. Operator
            Operator April 2 2020 18: 45 New
            0
            The weapons school and the technological level of mechanical engineering (weapons production is part of it) are not the same thing.

            Tavor X95 is a submachine gun, and we are discussing Galil, M16 and AK assault rifles / assault rifles.

            In addition, as far as I know, the X95 regularly supports the function of generating a tavorface from the shooter's face by storing an unpressurized plug on the butt cheek laughing
            1. Alexey Lobanov
              Alexey Lobanov April 2 2020 19: 18 New
              +1
              Let's assume that x95 is a modernization of the tavor21, the tavorface is resolved on it, and it is under 223rem, with the possibility of reworking under parabellum with replacing the barrel of the magazine receiver and the shutter.
              1. Operator
                Operator April 2 2020 19: 39 New
                0
                You want to say that in X95 there is no function of regulating the direction of the ejection of the spent sleeve left / right and, accordingly, there is only one ejection window?
                1. Alexey Lobanov
                  Alexey Lobanov April 2 2020 19: 58 New
                  0
                  I did not hold x95 in my hands, but the photo above indicates that the transfer of the left-hander is taking place, probably the stub was brought to mind. Or stopped using singed cartridges :).
                  1. Operator
                    Operator April 2 2020 20: 08 New
                    +3
                    Any plug is phonite by definition, since at the time of opening the shutter the pressure of the powder gases in the barrel / receiver is several tens of atmospheres.

                    In this case, the main thing, of course, is not the taurface, but the irritating effect of gases on the eyes of a bullpup shooter.
                    1. gross kaput
                      gross kaput April 4 2020 10: 53 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Operator
                      The orbit is several tens of atmospheres.

                      Do not be shy, write more for example a few hundred or several thousand laughing as Suvorov said "write more, why should their bastard feel sorry for something" laughing
                      1. Operator
                        Operator April 4 2020 13: 57 New
                        0
                        Well, it’s well known to every gross skaput from young nails that the pressure in the receiver when fired is less than 1 (one) atmosphere - because the powder gas is sucked in, and not thrown out of the Tavor’s box laughing
                      2. gross kaput
                        gross kaput April 7 2020 20: 14 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Operator
                        the pressure in the receiver when firing less than 1 (one)

                        For those who, having read the murzilka "all the rifles of the world" consider myself a specialist, I explain - when fired, the maximum pressure of .223 will be 4300 bar or translating to 4224 atm. pressure is a maximum of a few atmospheres, opening at a sufficiently high residual pressure is used only in systems with a semi-free seal. there is also exoticism with mixed unlocking - as an example of SVT - gas outlet, but with a maximum regulator setting of 1100, unlocking occurs at a sufficiently high pressure of about 1,7-70 atm, due to which additional acceleration of the shutter is achieved, but leads to a vigorous impact on the end of the box.

                        PS it’s a pity that over the past few years you haven’t added a single bit of knowledge on the topic, but the ChSV has clearly grown
                      3. Operator
                        Operator April 7 2020 20: 36 New
                        0
                        If the pressure in the M16 barrel during bullet exit is equal to 1100 atmospheres, then the flimsy gas outlet tube will burst simply enchanting (not to mention the fact that with only a fourfold expansion of the powder gases "all the steam will go into the whistle").

                        If the maximum value of the residual pressure in the SVT barrel when the shutter was opened reached 70-90 atmospheres, then the minimum value with the corresponding position of the gas regulator was in no way less than 20-30 atmospheres (which fully corresponds to the phrase "several tens").

                        PS It’s unfortunate that over the past few years, common sense has clearly fallen on your subject laughing
                      4. gross kaput
                        gross kaput April 7 2020 21: 18 New
                        0
                        Quote: Operator
                        If the pressure in the M16 barrel during bullet exit is equal to 1100 atmospheres, then the flimsy gas outlet tube will burst simply enchanting (not to mention the fact that with only a fourfold expansion of the powder gases "all the steam will go into the whistle").

                        Strange, but it doesn’t obey you, and here is the bad luck - it doesn’t want to break laughing
                        Maybe the answer to this miracle is in the section of physics called gas dynamics? laughing
                        Although you hit me more and more - will you find the graph of the pressure curve in the barrel under .223 yourself or is it beyond your power and you need to lay it out? laughing



                        Quote: Operator
                        If the maximum value of the residual pressure in the SVT barrel when the shutter was opened reached 70-90 atmospheres, then the minimum value with the corresponding position of the gas regulator was in no way less than 20-30 atmospheres (which fully corresponds to the phrase "several tens").

                        It seems so to you because of a poor knowledge of the principles of functioning of gas exhaust automation and SVT in particular. The high residual pressure was only 1,7 at smaller installations, the shutter did not have time to open before the pressure in the barrel bore dropped after the bullet took off, the actual time of the pressure drop in the bore to close to zero was milliseconds, which is actually clearly seen on the SVT different positions of the regulator.
                        PS you either pull up the materiel and theory or stop writing such things.
                        And better come to the Hansa, I think there you very quickly realize the level of your knowledge.
  • Operator
    Operator 31 March 2020 14: 54 New
    -6
    Quote: Zeev Zeev
    like Vietnam’s Marine Corps or India’s Airborne

    I say-the natives of the front, such as detached from the Russian Federation and the United States (in terms of small-scale types of troops).
    1. Zeev Zeev
      Zeev Zeev 31 March 2020 15: 15 New
      +4
      Leave no comment.
    2. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 31 March 2020 17: 20 New
      0
      Quote: Operator
      Quote: Zeev Zeev
      like Vietnam’s Marine Corps or India’s Airborne

      I say-the natives of the front, such as detached from the Russian Federation and the United States (in terms of small-scale types of troops).

      The Vietnamese fought with what they were given, and not with what they wanted. Well, but with a pullback, you can get into any markets.
      The Portuguese rapid reaction forces do not do anything at all and do not get anywhere. Armed without their opinions and preferences, most likely, the politicians simply agreed (kickbacks).
      The American police can drive Negroes with anything. Saigi also bought 12.
      1. Zeev Zeev
        Zeev Zeev 31 March 2020 17: 39 New
        +5
        Yes Yes. All for kickbacks, only you sell because of the high qualities of weapons. wassat
        1. BARKHAN
          BARKHAN 31 March 2020 19: 21 New
          +2
          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          only you sell because of the high qualities of weapons

          Totally agree with you.
        2. bunta
          bunta 31 March 2020 21: 43 New
          +4
          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          Yes Yes. All for kickbacks, only you sell because of the high qualities of weapons

          Seriously, being able to trade is also an art. And if the Israelis bypassed ours in Vietnam, then this is only at the expense of our defective managers who can only destroy. As it turned out, they are not only unable to organize the development or production of new products, but they are not able to trade. They got a brand worth several billion dollars for free and thought that only the word of the great designer would open the doors and wallets of all the customers of the world. Bastards.
      2. hohol95
        hohol95 April 1 2020 00: 31 New
        +1
        The Vietnamese fought with what they were given, and not with what they wanted.

        And what did the Vietnamese want to fight? Enlighten the unknowing person!
        And about the South Vietnamese, say a few words. And you can remember Koreans!
  • Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 31 March 2020 17: 40 New
    +6
    So, one of the most common is the Galil machine, which was developed in due time by the project of Israeli designer Israel Galili. Ironically, the real name of Galili was Balashnikov and differed only in one letter from the name of the legendary Mikhail Kalashnikov - designer of Soviet automatic rifles
    Like Galil, it differs from AK only in caliber and in the presence of any whistles.
    Yeah, machine “Galil”, developed in due time according to the project of Israeli designer Israel Galili, comrades, Jews will not die of modesty.
    1. Zeev Zeev
      Zeev Zeev 31 March 2020 21: 13 New
      +1
      I somehow described in detail all the differences between Galil and AK. I don't want to repeat it. I will only note that three applicants participated in the competition for a new assault rifle: "Galil" by Balashnikov, "Gal" rifle by Uziel Gal and an AK assault rifle, converted to 5.56x45 cartridges from the trophy. So if it was necessary to "just change the caliber", it could be done faster and easier.
      The third and fourth pictures.
      https://werewolf0001.livejournal.com/183425.html
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U April 1 2020 13: 34 New
        +1
        Quote: Zeev Zeev
        I somehow described in detail all the differences between Galil and AK
        Yeah, a bunch of whistles and fakes were stuck to the AK, and it turned out to be an original "Galil". And I brought two photos of an incomplete disassembly of AK and Galil, comment on the huge difference between them and undoubtedly a random couple of similarities.
        1. Zeev Zeev
          Zeev Zeev April 1 2020 15: 35 New
          -1
          All these "whistles" are now called AK-12 in Russia. But in Israel, they appeared not in 2016, but in 1973.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U April 1 2020 15: 36 New
            +2
            Here the designer of whistles and fakes and not a machine gun was Balashnikov.
            1. Zeev Zeev
              Zeev Zeev April 1 2020 15: 46 New
              -3
              These same whistles were made from the "Colt" TT, from the "Browning" they made the "Glock", and from the AKM they made the SVD.
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U April 1 2020 16: 05 New
                0
                Quote: Zeev Zeev
                These same whistles were made from the "Colt" TT, from the "Browning" they made the "Glock", and from the AKM they made the SVD.
                Yeah, and from the Arab Jew! laughing
                Are you raving How can a body kit be made from one model to another? Well, Colt - TT, well, still AK and SVD, although it’s already a pig race, but Browning and Glock, you’re definitely not in yourself.
                1. Zeev Zeev
                  Zeev Zeev April 1 2020 17: 10 New
                  -2
                  So the system in Browning High Power and in Glock is the same.
                  1. mmaxx
                    mmaxx April 1 2020 17: 44 New
                    +5
                    Mmmm ...
                    Browning:
                    1. Locking - grooves on the trunk - grooves on the shutter.
                    2. The trigger mechanism - trigger.
                    Glock:
                    1. Locking - with a barrel protrusion in the shutter window. Strongly replicated by High Power. More practical and more technological.
                    2. Descent - shock.
                    Protection systems are completely different.
                    For browning, only the automation scheme. But there now 95% of all pistols under 9 mm Steam are leaving.
                    Who invented such a fixation of the store - I do not know. M. b. and browning.
                    1. Zeev Zeev
                      Zeev Zeev April 1 2020 18: 51 New
                      +1
                      In addition to the whistles are no different. Instead of the trigger, the drummer and the delay are not pulled out.
                      1. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U April 2 2020 05: 39 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Zeev Zeev
                        In addition to the whistles are no different. Instead of the trigger, the drummer and the delay are not pulled out.
                        Sorry, but this is a frank idiocy to consider two different pistols with different giblets and disparate production technologies as one sample, and at the same time an automatic machine with the same internals as AK, the same production technology as AK, which is stupidly overbought and even outwardly indistinguishable from AK as an independent sample.
                      2. Zeev Zeev
                        Zeev Zeev April 2 2020 07: 10 New
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                        Externally, AK and Rk.54 are hardly distinguishable. They have the same internals and production technology. And Galil and AK have too many differences.
                      3. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U April 2 2020 07: 22 New
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                        I’m not too lazy to poke a finger in these photos about the similarities.
                      4. Zeev Zeev
                        Zeev Zeev April 2 2020 08: 31 New
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                        So you can always poke in the same photo about the differences. Starting from the shape of the receiver through the two-way fuse to the opener for the bottles.
                      5. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U April 2 2020 08: 40 New
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                        Yeah, a slot in the receiver, a stock with a flag and, haha, an opener, this is an application for design genius, no doubt. Bipods and pen yet! Lewis didn’t invent the suitcase and machine gun, didn’t he?
                      6. Zeev Zeev
                        Zeev Zeev April 2 2020 09: 01 New
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                        Another form of the receiver. Double sided fuse. Diopter sight with a longer sighting line. Double-sided loading handle. Another fixation of the gas outlet tube. Split forend for better barrel cooling. Possibility of firing rifle grenades. Night sighting devices. Flame suppressor. These are the main differences between the original version of the "Galil" of the 1973 model and the AK assault rifles. Apart from, of course, the high-impulse small-caliber ammunition. With all this, no one calls Galili a genius a gunsmith, and "Galil" does not have any analogue in the world. This is just a good weapon, made by a good designer on the basis of AK and superior in a number of indicators.
                      7. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U April 2 2020 10: 54 New
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                        Quote: Zeev Zeev
                        It’s just a good weapon made by a good AK-based designer and superior in terms of a number of indicators.
                        That's it! But not the same hymn of Galili:
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        So, one of the most common is the Galil machine, developed in due time according to the project of Israeli designer Israel Galili
                      8. Zeev Zeev
                        Zeev Zeev April 2 2020 11: 10 New
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                        I leave the praises to the conscience of the author.
                    2. Alexey Lobanov
                      Alexey Lobanov April 2 2020 16: 54 New
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                      Quote: Zeev Zeev
                      Another form of the receiver. Double sided fuse. Diopter sight with a longer sighting line. Double-sided loading handle. Another fixation of the gas outlet tube. Split forend for better barrel cooling. Possibility of firing rifle grenades. Night sighting devices. Flame suppressor. These are the main differences between the original version of the "Galil" of the 1973 model and the AK assault rifles. Apart from, of course, the high-impulse small-caliber ammunition. With all this, no one calls Galili a genius a gunsmith, and "Galil" does not have any analogue in the world. This is just a good weapon, made by a good designer on the basis of AK and superior in a number of indicators.

                      Well, you, besides mounting under the side bracket and another cartridge, there are no real innovations compared to the AK!
                    3. Zeev Zeev
                      Zeev Zeev April 2 2020 17: 00 New
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                      Firstly, there wasn’t any side bracket. Secondly, what of the above differences was on AK by 1973?
                    4. Alexey Lobanov
                      Alexey Lobanov April 2 2020 17: 18 New
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                      Quote: Zeev Zeev
                      Firstly, there wasn’t any side bracket. Secondly, what of the above differences was on AK by 1973?

                      Oban, here you are, dear expert Galil! I give you a chance to google about the side bracket until the authority is shaken ... :)
                      And about the 73rd year, I recall that in the 74th year we already adopted the AK-74 with a DTK and a low-pulse cartridge. And the length of the sighting line is not very different, the fly from Galil is on the gas outlet, and not at the muzzle.
                2. gross kaput
                  gross kaput April 4 2020 11: 31 New
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                  Dear, you either don’t understand what you are writing about, or a trolley specialist, Galil is a restyling of the Finnish Valmet RK62, which in turn is a restyling of the Finnish LICENSE copy of AK - Valmet RK60. Moreover, the Israelis had to purchase a license for RK62 from the Finns for the release of galil - yes, the dates bought a license for AK from the USSR with the right to be delivered to third countries, and the first Galilians were assembled on receiver boxes delivered from Finland.


                  as they say, galil and valmet - find ten differences. laughing
                  Taking into account that the dates already had export "blanks" of the 62nd at 5,56, the work of the Izrailites was reduced to attaching a diopter sight to the valmet, bending the cocking handle upwards, attaching the second translator lever and implanting a folding stock from the FN-FAL para, and what else stuck a bottle opener.
                3. Zeev Zeev
                  Zeev Zeev April 4 2020 11: 52 New
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                  If Galil is a copy of the Rk.62, then why do the Finns have a 7.62x39 caliber? And what kind of export blanks did the Finns have before Rk. 76?
                4. gross kaput
                  gross kaput April 7 2020 20: 38 New
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                  Quote: Zeev Zeev
                  If Galil is a copy of the Rk.62, then why do the Finns have a 7.62x39 caliber?

                  What is the problem? Putting a 5,56 pipe into a box under 7,62 is never a problem, cutting a cup of a shutter for an asshole. 223 the same is not great sadness
                  Quote: Zeev Zeev
                  And what kind of export blanks did the Finns have before Rk.76?

                  We look carefully at the box - milling i.e. 62nd and not 76th, look carefully at the store - wow, but it’s under 5,56 wink
                5. Zeev Zeev
                  Zeev Zeev April 7 2020 21: 33 New
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                  So this is just Rk. 76.
                6. gross kaput
                  gross kaput April 15 2020 23: 12 New
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                  Nope, it’s just the 62nd under 5,56, the RK76 already had stamped boxes, visually it immediately catches the eye by the presence / absence of milled samples on the sides of the box in the area of ​​the store window.
  • mmaxx
    mmaxx April 2 2020 09: 08 New
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    Then for you all the browning pistols. I see no reason to argue. In something you are right.
  • Zeev Zeev
    Zeev Zeev April 2 2020 09: 22 New
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    For me, Walter PP and PM, Colt M1911 and TT, AR-18 and SA80 are all different types of weapons, although one is based on the other.
  • Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U April 2 2020 10: 56 New
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    Quote: Zeev Zeev
    Colt M1911 and TT
    Uh, here you are wrong, Colt 1903 is the predecessor of the TT, not M1911.
  • gross kaput
    gross kaput April 4 2020 11: 34 New
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    Browning 1903 g with TT has only similar contours; everything else is completely different.
    The TT locking system was taken from Colt 1911 - although Colt 11 is also the work of DM Browning.
  • Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U April 4 2020 11: 53 New
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    Yes, you're right, forgot something. In 1903, Colt had a free shutter.
  • Alexey Lobanov
    Alexey Lobanov April 3 2020 00: 12 New
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    Everything is clear about Galil and AK, let's better talk about Browning and argue. Maybe there you will reveal secrets. :) For example, I think that Tokarev gave our Israeli friends an ingenious idea - "take the best, add zest". 1903 - an exact copy of the TT-33, or rather the opposite, except for the original trigger spring.
  • Alexey Lobanov
    Alexey Lobanov April 3 2020 00: 33 New
    +1
    And, of course, 1911 - a semi-free bolt, a barrel with a short stroke.
    I just remember the past years of the Military Review, which were the Grands, Sharks, Beasts. Tore boobies in one phrase! And now VO is almost always a bunch of youngsters on vacation. Sorry! Even this article is a wiki-like semblance of a review, everything seems to be correct, but CHEAP.
  • Zeev Zeev
    Zeev Zeev April 3 2020 10: 02 New
    +1
    Tokarev gave the idea to the Israelis ... Isn’t it funny?
  • gross kaput
    gross kaput April 7 2020 20: 17 New
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    Quote: Alexey Lobanov
    1903 - an exact copy of the TT-33, or rather, on the contrary, except for the original trigger spring.

    You didn’t joke so well?
    Perhaps you can even justify your point of view?
  • Alexey Lobanov
    Alexey Lobanov April 3 2020 01: 15 New
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    Quote: Zeev Zeev
    In addition to the whistles are no different. Instead of the trigger, the drummer and the delay are not pulled out.

    I seem to be a prude, but for me High Power and Glock are the same essence. Automation - a barrel with a short stroke, barrel hooks with a bolt from above - from below, do not care the same thing. Differences - an automatic safety interceptor, and a "button" on the trigger, and plastic ... That's it. Well, the two-row store with access to the single-row store is almost the same.
  • Alexey Lobanov
    Alexey Lobanov April 3 2020 01: 34 New
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    trigger button, well - no trigger :) I would even say that Glock17 is a copy of 1911 :)
  • beeper
    beeper 31 March 2020 21: 03 New
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    I did not understand the author's praises to Israel Galili-Balashnikov (before the Internet era in the Soviet special literature the pre-Israel surname of the Galil rifle designer was written-Blashnikov, so I remember it) ??! Really something, but he only successfully used, practically without changes, all the main design developments of Mikhail Timofeevich Kalashnikov (as well as the developments of the designers of the Finnish copy of the AK) and this, in the writer's opinion, supposedly "the difference is only one letter of the from a technical point of view, looks like heaven and earth! yes
    To this designer-gunsmith Balashnikov, if at all Hamburg account, to the gunsmith designer Kalashnikov, "yak to Kiev crustaceans"! wink

    If we talk about a really talented Israeli gunsmith designer, then this is definitely Uziel Gal, who created the 9-mm Uzi submachine gun and the prototype of the 5,56-mm Gal rifle., in all respects, including much higher reliability and lower weight of the structure, which surpassed the rather problematic and heavy prototype of the 5,56-mm Galil rifle (almost completely compiled by Balashnikov on the basis of the well-known Finnish licensed Kalashoid with a massive and very laborious in processing - milled from a massive steel blank, and not stamped from a thin steel sheet, a receiver - "Valmet" M62 and, apparently due to the availability of Israelis to purchase equipment for their use, already established production of command parts of the Finnish copy of AK, despite the unsatisfactory the results of comparative tests adopted by the Israeli army and went into mass production, and the rifle of the Uzi Galya design that showed the best results was rejected under the obviously far-fetched pretext of "the duration of setting up production if it was adopted" - in the future, the erroneousness of this was revealed. " opportunistic decisions ", the Israeli army had to adopt American surrogates based on the M-16 rifle and re-activate very costly developments and establish the production of their own designs, the same" Tavors "...)" .... IMHO

    About "Tavor" (assembled from Israeli components at the Vinnitsa "Forte" and already "used" by ukrokarateli in Donbass) "I heard different things from the" heroes of the ATO ", and not always flattering for Israeli ears, although there are those who praise" patriotically " exalts this "Tavorovsky" "Fort" behind the backs, unknowingly calling it a "witchiznya zbroya (domestic weapon)" and for this reason alone calling "puffing up (being proud) of the" imaginary "zdobutk (successful achievement) of the Ukrainians (but in fact Israeli!) zbroyariv (gunsmiths) ". wassat
    1. bunta
      bunta 31 March 2020 21: 55 New
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      Quote: pishchak
      and the rifle designed by Uzi Galya, which showed the best results, was rejected under the obviously far-fetched pretext of "the duration of the establishment of production if it was adopted"

      Let's just say - the technology of stamping the receiver with the given requirements for rigidity was too tough. This is by the way about the backwardness of the Soviet "stamping" in comparison with the German one.
      1. Zeev Zeev
        Zeev Zeev 31 March 2020 23: 17 New
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        It's strange. Israel could have stamped the receiver of a copy of the FN FAL or an all-stamped Uzi, but the receiver of the AK was not. The Bulgarians were able, the Germans were able (GDR), but the Jews were not. Or maybe the reason for using milling is different?
        1. beeper
          beeper April 1 2020 00: 18 New
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          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          It's strange. Israel could have stamped the receiver of a copy of the FN FAL or an all-stamped Uzi, but the receiver of the AK was not. The Bulgarians were able, the Germans were able (GDR), but the Jews were not. Or maybe the reason for using milling is different?

          hi It is not for nothing that a thick but relatively soft sheet of steel is used for stamping PP "Uzi", it holds well the "geometry" of the receiver and it is quite easy to edit it during manufacture!
          FN FAL Israeli gunsmiths took into production with an already streamlined manufacturing process!
          However, like the Finnish "Valmet" M62, which became the basis of the Israeli "Galil", after all, they also took a "solid-milled" receiver with a well-established technology, they did not bother * with a long, hyper-costly transfer of it to a lighter weight (and a priori less rigid, and this , in the end, affects the accuracy of shooting - therefore, EF Dragunov insisted on the all-milled receiver of his SVD!) stamped-welded! yes
          The advantages of a solid-milled receiver in the "Kalashnikov" weapon layout are quite many (even such little-known ones, such as the damping effect on the "rebound" of the bolt carrier when struck in the extreme forward position or improved heat dissipation from the barrel chamber during intensive shooting, compared to stamped-welded, stamped-riveted receiver), but the main disadvantages are the greater weight and mega-cost non-technological (especially critical in wartime) in mass production!
          1. Zeev Zeev
            Zeev Zeev April 1 2020 05: 58 New
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            Interestingly, and Rk.54 (an exact licensed copy of AK), the Finns did with what box?
            1. beeper
              beeper April 1 2020 09: 24 New
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              Quote: Zeev Zeev
              Interestingly, and Rk.54 (an exact licensed copy of AK), the Finns did with what box?

              hi So I understand that, Zeev Zeev, your "question" is rhetorical, as if you don't know? smile
              Why do you need this? winked After all, since childhood I studied at a school that is half Jewish in terms of the composition of pupils and teachers, the school of the Ukrainian South-East, and then with the best institute Jewish teachers, so I organically absorbed their way of thinking and all the "cunning approaches", I can do that too. yes
              For your "tricky attempt" from me Plus! wink
            2. Alexey Lobanov
              Alexey Lobanov April 2 2020 18: 09 New
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              Mr. Ziv Has Ziv not mastered Google? :) I will reveal to you a terrible secret of the Israeli army about brackets for Galil. At one time the guns were filled with these brackets, and now cunning Jews in America are selling them at amer's weapon sites (honestly communed from the Israeli army) for 100 bucks. Any of their images can be found under the "tag" GALIL SIDE SCOPE MOUNT ^) They cling to the milled seat on the left above the magazine receiver. Under dove tale.

              More than sure, most of our Israeli friends on the site for the first time hear about it. :)

              If you need pictures of the milled part, I’ll take a photo from my Galil. :)
              1. Zeev Zeev
                Zeev Zeev April 2 2020 19: 50 New
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                In my life I have seen and held in my hands quite a lot of "Galileo", and the most different modifications, but I have never seen such brackets. Maybe they are only for "Galileo" chambered for 7.62x51, which were not used in Israel?
                1. Alexey Lobanov
                  Alexey Lobanov April 2 2020 20: 33 New
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                  Quote: Zeev Zeev
                  In my life I have seen and held in my hands quite a lot of "Galileo", and the most different modifications, but I have never seen such brackets. Maybe they are only for "Galileo" chambered for 7.62x51, which were not used in Israel?

                  The point is not in the bracket, but in the fastening under it, it is in all Galilas, even in the SAR and MAP. In "sniper" Galilahs under 308, a side bar similar to AK-74N was used, on rivets. Now I will take a picture of the reciprocal place for the bracket :)
                  1. Zeev Zeev
                    Zeev Zeev April 2 2020 21: 59 New
                    +1
                    Well, thanks for telling us about one more difference between Galil and AK. Since I did not serve in the units that used Galil, it is permissible not to know such a feature. By the way, perhaps this is the reason for using milled receivers.
                    1. Alexey Lobanov
                      Alexey Lobanov April 2 2020 22: 27 New
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                      By the way, in South Africa they sold a license for galil without this "feature".

                      There’s just a notch instead of a lasttail. Well, and the butt from the Federal Scientific Center, and not from the FAL
                      Jewish happiness. :)
                    2. Alexey Lobanov
                      Alexey Lobanov April 2 2020 22: 57 New
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                      In fairness, another difference between Galil and AK is the translator of the fire mode on the left on the pistol grip. Made ingeniously simple - on one axis with the main translator.
                      And, yes, there was a time when all the parts used Gilil. :)
          2. mmaxx
            mmaxx April 1 2020 07: 56 New
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            The use of stamping or milling depends on the plans for a large / small war and production volumes. Milling is best for everyone. But much more expensive. This can be tolerated with a small army and a long service life of weapons. In a great war, this is a disaster.
            1. mmaxx
              mmaxx April 1 2020 09: 22 New
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              And further. Galil is initially 7,62 NATO. Most likely, a stamped AK receiver would not have survived. The same RPK of all series was made much stronger than AK.
              1. Alexey Lobanov
                Alexey Lobanov April 2 2020 19: 23 New
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                Quote: mmaxx
                And further. Galil is initially 7,62 NATO. Most likely, a stamped AK receiver would not have survived. The same RPK of all series was made much stronger than AK.

                Galil was originally a complex under 223 and 308.
                1. mmaxx
                  mmaxx April 2 2020 19: 37 New
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                  Then, if in the know, tell me: is the receiver likely the same? It is unlikely that they would launch different ones under 223 and 308. This is even irrational for a rich country.
                  If the same, then all my words will be confirmed. Yet 308 cartridge is much more powerful than 223.
                  Kalash in the hands of 7,62 and 5,45 at the same time was not. Therefore, it was not possible to compare. But the AK-74 and RPK-74 with the same cartridge differ decently.
                  1. Alexey Lobanov
                    Alexey Lobanov April 2 2020 20: 54 New
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                    Quote: mmaxx
                    It is unlikely that they would launch different ones under 223 and 308.

                    Galil has a milled receiver, not stamping. Strength is enough for 338 paws :)
                  2. Alexey Lobanov
                    Alexey Lobanov April 2 2020 21: 28 New
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                    The AK-74 and RPK-74 have different boxes, metal of different thicknesses (if I'm not mistaken - 3 and 4 mm), but both of them are stamped. And Galil - milling from a single piece of steel. How BE - inspire. For an analogy, the SVD receiver.
                    1. Alexey Lobanov
                      Alexey Lobanov April 2 2020 23: 40 New
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                      Sorry, 1 and 1,5 mm :) - the thickness of the steel, 3 and 4 - the width of the reinforced part with the profile.
                      And, by the way, Galil’s receiver cover is thinner than AK’s.
                2. Zeev Zeev
                  Zeev Zeev April 2 2020 19: 51 New
                  +1
                  Galil is originally an assault rifle under 5.56. The option under 7.62 appeared much later.
        2. bunta
          bunta April 1 2020 08: 58 New
          +1
          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          Strange

          What's so strange? They themselves admitted - "the duration of the establishment of production in the event of its adoption." Time to master is a major factor in technology selection. Read Guderian what the German designers replied to the proposal to copy the Russian T-34.
          1. Zeev Zeev
            Zeev Zeev April 1 2020 09: 20 New
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            "The duration of setting up production" is about the Gal rifle
      2. beeper
        beeper 31 March 2020 23: 40 New
        +3
        hi Comrade Andrey, you yourself know that tales about the alleged "imperfection of Soviet stamping" were riveted by our enemies, and were picked up by all sorts of incompetent "educated" or engaged anti-Sovietists (now anti-Russian, and all the same kondy Russophobes)! smile

        Our stamping (already in the prototype and the first serial samples of AK, not even about the "epic of the receiver" AKM 1959, but about the very first attempt at mass production of stamped-welded-riveted AK, followed by a technological "renaissance" of the all-milled receiver ) thicker in the sheet and box-shaped, more complex in the properties of the metal used, design and configuration of the guides.
        The stresses arising during assembly in an open "thin-sheet" box-shaped stamped-welded structure do not "lead" at all and therefore do not "stop" as much as it is done by "bulges" and longitudinal "zigs" in a closed "absolutely rigid" cylindrical receiver of the same so often vaunted by amateurs, a "sample" of the German "wunderwaffe" - "Stg" 42 ÷ 44!

        Already stamped-welded Shpaginsky PPSh-41 clearly showed everyone that Soviet gunsmiths with stamping "on you" are who need to be a completely stubborn zapadoid, so that, contrary to the obvious, indiscriminately find fault with domestic achievements! smile
        And then, in the course of military production and in the post-war period, our Soviet arms stamping was even more perfect!
        The same "engineer" Schmeisser must study and study, and not supposedly "give some advice", as he allegedly "told" upon his return to Germany.
        Ours, stamped almost from tin (and with the same "bullets" for the rigidity of stamped surfaces as on the "Sturmgever"), children's "black pistols" of the 50s-60s that fired corks were just that analogy of Schmeisser's receiver stamping, that the same primitive "children's level"! yes

        In principle, when I wrote my comment above, I didn’t “jerk” our very patriotic Israeli comrades, apologists for the “masterpiece” of the Galil rifle and the “genius” of Balashnikov, and “unfold” the topic of hyper-costly difficulties in debugging the process ( known for "launching into series" AKM) in-line production of a stamped-welded receiver with given conditions of constructive "geometry" and overall rigidity, from which the Finns fled to heavy "all-milling" in their "Kalashoid" M62, followed by "small-bore "copyists of the Finnish M62-Israelis (in their Galil assault rifle). request
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal April 1 2020 04: 39 New
          -3
          As for the enemies: are you talking about the opponents of the victory of communism in the world?
          1. beeper
            beeper April 1 2020 08: 58 New
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            Quote: 3danimal
            As for the enemies: are you talking about the opponents of the victory of communism in the world?

            No, my obviously engaged friend, it’s about the enemies, according to their deeds! Do not be so superficial and open your eyes, look at the root! wink
            After all, these are just enemy excuses -covering up aggressive intentions with any excuse, in Goebbels's way, "filling the cans" with the townsfolk with "plausible justifications" about their alleged "pure intentions to fight the Bolsheviks (before that," the fight against the wrong Russian autocracy ", and now, after the" victory of capitalism in the world "and on the territory of the USSR, and "the countries of the Eastern bloc" -about "the fight against the wrong Russian capitalism and Russian hackers", ....) ", as the Nazi aggressors from the Nazi-fascist" common Europe "slyly declared, massacring the peaceful Soviet population in a" cleanup " "Lebensraum (living space)"!
            Our memorable Israeli readers (of course, who are not from "w / Bandera") will not let lie - Hitler's "frontal places": Kharkov Drobitsky Yar, Kiev Babiy Yar, Minsk ghetto, filled with the bodies of dead women, old people and children, captured soldiers of the Red Army and The RKKF, the Simferopol anti-tank ditch, the shafts of the Donbass and Kryvbass mines (the birthplaces of the current Maidanoprezik-vile "w / Bandera") and many, many other places on Soviet territory, which our "European well-wishers" managed to reach, are a vivid evidence of this!
            But, after our fathers and grandfathers under the leadership of the Bolsheviks gave the "civilized" Nazi savages a good deal, this "common human" flock of cannibals quieted down for a while, rolled back through holes, hoarding anger, but did not abandon its predatory intentions at all, organized to NATO and clearly dreams of revenge, looking for weakness and preliminarily "rinsing the brains" of potential collaborators among the local de-ideologized population, promising such latent Judas all sorts of "nishtyaks" - "barrels of jam and baskets of cookies"! winked
            Enemies, by their deeds, and not by "beautiful words"!
            1. 3danimal
              3danimal April 1 2020 11: 53 New
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              Too detailed answer to a simple question. It is just that many foreign policy actions of the USSR had ideological motivation, and not pragmatism. The goals of the Union and the goals of the modern RF are somewhat different. Many people forget about it.
              An attempt to annex Finland, and earlier the Polish campaign, went exactly in line with ideology about the need to spread “religion” throughout the world.
              Let me remind you that before the war with Hitler, Nazi Germany was a very close country. Received a huge amount of resources from us, used to war with the same Britain.
              "Under the leadership of the Bolsheviks": these same Bolsheviks made a coup and unleashed the Civil War, which cost about 10 million lives of our ancestors (then they intimidated and brainwashed people so that they would not remember it). A huge number of intelligentsia left the country, investing talent and skills in the development of other countries that have become their refuge. You can recall how many peasants (enterprising and working) suffered during collectivization.
              1. beeper
                beeper April 1 2020 22: 58 New
                +2
                This question about enemies is not so simple as it seems to you and as you wish to show, 3danimal!
                For the "wrong answer" to it, in our post-Maidan amerokolony "Ukraine", Banderlogists easily killed and kill, take the lives of everyone in a row, young and old, do not spare either the small or the old-Bloody Pedro, being a Maidanoprez, publicly boasted of this in a speech about "their children will sit in the basements"!

                I myself am from a family of "rozkurkulenyh" and "repressed" (my great-grandfather is one of the heroes of the Brusilov breakthrough, before WWI he served in one of the guards regiments back in St. Petersburg, but was treated after another wound in Petrograd, in 1917 he was on guard at At the Finnish railway station, at a rally upon Lenin's arrival there, his comrades ... in the early 30s was "dispossessed" and with my great-grandmother and their son, along with many other fellow countrymen, in winter, local "activists" took away their outerwear and food taken with them during loading , in cattle wagons, was sent to Siberia - they unloaded people into deep snow far from the station, brought them to an abandoned wooden church and threw an ax and a saw at all of them - survive as you can - in a month all the little children died, in the end, of everything crowded with people, that echelon returned to their homelands alive only a few people ..., my grandfather, arrested on a denunciation and convicted under Article 58, built the White Sea-Baltic Canal ..., my father miraculously survived in a Nazi concentration camp, with grazed from death by a simple German miner and American soldiers, his brother went through the war on the front line and participated in amphibious assault, by the end of the war he became a tank driver from a marine, many of my relatives participated in the defense of Stalingrad and then, wounded in those battles, considerable with their own blood, hard, but with fire, they knocked out the obstinate occupiers, Hitler's "common Europeans", back "nah Berlin" and other Vienna-Budapest-Prague, dying even after the Victory ...), so about a lot that happened on the eve of the twentieth century and in its first half I know in detail from direct participants and eyewitnesses of those events, and then I personally was a contemporary, participant and eyewitness ... even at school I fell in love with the study of history and social studies, however, and school teachers in grades 9-10, in many academic disciplines, we were excellent - they themselves gave more and demanded to know more than what is written in the textbooks!

                So your, 3danimal, sly "reminders" of an allegedly "very close Nazi country" is a shot by!
                I know well the pre-war history, including the history of the formation of the Hitlerite Reich and who helped the possessed Fuhrer to rise and get stronger, who conspired with Adolf in Berlin 1934 and Munich 1938, who fed and incited Hitler's Germany into the suicidal "Drang nach Osten", who, to his very landing in Normandy, surreptitiously, materially and financially, significantly helped the Nazis "to fight Bolshevism" ...

                And the fact that a rabid Nazi dog in an aggressive rage bit his insolent "hyenic" accomplice Poland and his Anglo-French benefactors, who obsequiously fed Austria and Czechoslovakia to her (a very close accomplice of Germany-Poland then flatly refused to let the Soviet troops, ready to help defend Czechoslovakia from the German-Polish aggressors!), so after all, the British and French themselves saw whom they fed and trained against our Soviet Union, and then they were also indignant, like banderlog in an anecdote (later in reality) - "And what about us ?!"

                "Under the leadership of neo-burzhuins" a much, much larger "huge number" of intellectuals and hardworking people inevitably left for good and are still forced to leave "to work (with a possible settling for permanent residence)" from the republics of the former USSR, investing talent and skills then their disenfranchised slave labor, in the development of countries that have become their refuge!

                And tens (!!!) of millions of our compatriots, the most educated workers (including millions, millions of hardworking peasants!), Robbed and dispossessed by the neo-bourgeois komrenegat government, in the "holy 90s(These hungry years of bandit revelry seem to be "saints" only to the vile raiders and their households, who have grown fat, ugly rich, on the robbery of our national Soviet property and the robbery-impoverishment of fellow citizens !!!) ", already "under the capitalists", before the deadline lay in the grave, "not fitting into the market (as cynically uttered one nanohorret from the comrade-nouvorish)"!

                In addition to tens of millions of citizens who were hungry, somehow expelled from the "square", as well as millions of unborn ("not to breed poverty", as well as those who died in the first months after birth due to the decline and destructive "reforms" of Ukrainian health care, already practically turned into a burial place for living and "dismantling for parts" for the needs of the "golden billion"!) in the 90s and subsequent years, "under the leadership of amerodependent nouveau riche", these same "Ukrainian" kleptoligarchs (self-called "w / banderas") carried out a The civil war in Ukraine, which has already cost (according to the modest estimates of the FRG military intelligence four years ago!) More than 50 thousand lives of our fellow citizens in the anti-national "ATO", this is not counting those killed (beaten-strangled-drowned) by the banderonats during the Kiev and immediately after it, throughout Ukraine, occupied by zapadenskie banderlog and turned into the amerocolony "Ukraine"!

                And how the "Ukrainian" kleptoligarchs - "w / Bandera" and their lackeys, recruited from the parasitic waste of society, intimidate and physically oppress the working people, so that we do not even dare to remember that all these Nazi creatures in human form parasitize our work and brazenly appropriated our national heritage of the USSR, created by the common labor and talent of many generations of Soviet people, our and our ancestors!
                For this, the "w / Bandera" even pushed in the ZRada the adoption of an "anti-communist" criminal "law" punishing with unbearable fines and imprisonment for positive reviews about the former Soviet system and, oddly enough, for positive responses about the current bourgeois-capitalist Russia and our brothers -Russians!

                In contrast to this, the propaganda of Nazi symbols, which is what many Banderlogists and their motley bandit organizations (there are even their "parties" pinching in ZRadu) are publicly sinning, in "Ukraine", in fact, is not prosecuted and not punished in any way!
                Although such an "anti-Nazi article" of the post-Maidan "law" was hypocritically designated, it is clear that this was done only in order to declare an alleged "equality sign" between Soviet socialism-communism and Hitler's Nazism ...
                But the pro-Hitler petty-bourgeois Banderonazism on the "nezalezhnoy" was cultivated, fed and procreated by the current nuVorish (including those who are now hiding in Russia from intrigues, or, as they say in their thieves' world, "presenting" their accomplices!) "secret police" to pacify the robbed majority of fellow citizens-creators of all these benefits, therefore it is not with the hands of the kleptoligarchs to punish the Bandera dogs, they do not want to discourage their beast's taste for murder ...

                By the way, how do our Israeli readers relate to the fact that the state of Israel is nourishing the Banderonazis (ideological heirs, apologists and heroes of the executioners of Babi Yar, active performers of the murderous Hitler policy "Judenfry"!) In Ukraine, helps them with weapons (the same ones mentioned in the Article, "Tavors" collected at the Vinnitsa "Forte"!), Military equipment and ammunition, medicines for the punishers and heals-heals the notorious Nazis who are punishing in the Donbass on their territory ??!
                1. 3danimal
                  3danimal April 1 2020 23: 31 New
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                  About the fact that there is too much pathos and ideology, which immediately raise doubts. Typical post-Soviet construct, with preserved imperialists, but cut out the goals of the victory of world communism negative
                  With whose money did Lenin and Co. organize a coup? Whose embassy was first restored and with whom they signed the "peace"?
                  P.S. Nothing that the president of Ukraine is a Jew?
                  1. beeper
                    beeper April 2 2020 01: 50 New
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                    If there were a good and principled professional-statesman, of course, with the only, our common, citizenship, then there would be nothing - our population in "cathedral" Ukraine is traditionally multinational, no matter who from the Natsik would not talk about the preferred "title" !
                    Every Ukrainian citizen of any nationality should have a real equal right to be elected to state authorities, including being president!
                    But, alas, in reality it is not at all the same - as in Orwell's Animal Farm, a handful of those who are "more equal" under the pretext of "patriotic Ukrainians" stood out.
                    Let's recall the former head of the Vinnitsa bazaar, who was suddenly appointed by the Maydan premier, his roadside billboards "Groysman-tse spravzhny ukrayinets" promoted by the Natsiks, the exclusiveness of the "titular nation", they say, the country is called Ukraine and that means that only those who are considered "Ukrainians" by nationality should have exclusive privileges among Ukrainian citizens ?!
                    And all the other Ukrainian fellow citizens such "titular" marginals dare to call names "strangers (strangers, foreigners)" and count "second-class people", pabahnuyu Maydaun- "w / Bandera" Senya Rabbit-Kulyavloba even in amero-fascist expressed - "subhuman (English tracing paper from Hitler's "untermensch" - "subhuman") "!
                    Hence the Nazi zombie chant for notorious farmers and small-town outcasts who want to assert themselves at the expense of "non-titular" fellow citizens: "Know the foreigner, here the hazyayin ukrayinets" and their slavish thirst to parasitize their own parties in any way at the expense of others ...

                    The Kryvyi Rih vulgar actor, in his clown role, calling his fellow citizens killed by the Banderonazis "scum", and casually betraying the Memory of the Holocaust, just turned out to be a worthless Maidan priest, dependent, stupid and unprincipled, openly pleasing the interests of his country to the wishes of the majority of the IMF local kleptoligarchs with "multi-citizenship" and their owners, Washington neo-colonialists, that's sad!

                    The point is not at all about nationality (although, I confess, it is still wild for me to see such twisted Jews-"Judeobander" hooking around with the Bandera and mocking the memory of their unfortunate fellow tribesmen, brutally tortured by the Ukrainian nationalists under the supervision of Hitler's "ubermensch!" , after all, the unrivaled Hero, the inspirer and organizer of a successful uprising in the Sobibor death camp, the Red Army lieutenant Alexander Aronovich Pechersky was also a Jew, but the comic "gambler" by the piano and hair is not worth it - the fidgeting fearful unprincipled Judge "not Loch "to the unabashed courageous and principled paint of Pechersk" like a star ", a distance of thousands of light years !!!

                    That would be a real peasant, Lieutenant Pechersky Alexander Aronovich to the Ukrainian presidency, and not this Chaldean squalor ....
                    1. 3danimal
                      3danimal April 2 2020 08: 20 New
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                      Do not be a prude: work on TV, in the theater, on the KVN stage and similar events is not related to the work of an official. Let me remind you that there are no schools and institutes of premiership / presidency. On the other hand, it is always better when a person himself earned Peretna’s life, and did not sit on the neck of his family / organization, like Ulyanov.
                      1. beeper
                        beeper April 2 2020 13: 25 New
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                        Quote: 3danimal
                        Do not be a prude: work on TV, in the theater, on the KVN stage and similar events is not related to the work of an official. Let me remind you that there are no schools and institutes of premiership / presidency. On the other hand, it is always better when a person himself earned Peretna’s life, and did not sit on the neck of his family / organization, like Ulyanov.

                        hi There is a good Russian proverb-
                        “Don't get into your sleigh!” - this is also about Zeltsa!
                        My 100-year-old great-grandfather said about such, "Nama cabs (that is, hopeless, since there are no abilities and considerations in business!)"!

                        It's not even about the "school and institution of the premiership / presidency" (and the experience of a leader is profitable), but the lack of the necessary human qualities - conscience and decency, reason and honor, respect for people and their work civic courage-the core in character!
                        He’s completely morally rotten, alas!
                        Zeltz is Giblets-2 in miniature ..., and after all, it was so torn to the public: "Poroshenko, I am your sentence!", Well, here we see, "no Loh said, no Loh did!" negative
                        Scammers on trust also believe that they "earn" and there will always be those who will justify such "earnings"!
                        Now this subchik, with all his codes of servants of the enemies of the people, is just as brazen as Lomekhuzes, parasitic, sitting on our working neck, brazenly rubbing on our heads and drinking our blood ... w / Bandera-Nazi ghouls!
                      2. 3danimal
                        3danimal April 3 2020 08: 49 New
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                        In your opinion, it turns out that cops / military / jailers should go all the way to the leadership?
                        Sometimes it's nice to have a quality like empathy. IMHO, the listed categories of citizens have difficulty with it - professional deformation.
                      3. beeper
                        beeper April 3 2020 12: 52 New
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                        Quote: 3danimal
                        In your opinion, it turns out that cops / military / jailers should go all the way to the leadership?
                        Sometimes it's nice to have a quality like empathy. IMHO, the listed categories of citizens have difficulty with it - professional deformation.

                        hi As for empathy, I agree, 3danimal! A person with absent or atrophied empathy is a potential killer maniac! wassat
                        Although (judging by my factory and secretary's leadership experience), developed empathy is also an obstacle in certain cases. yes
                        Unfortunately, Zelts has a clear sense of empathy or atrophied at a young age, alas! In his deeds, and even according to his words, one of his "scum" in relation to the peaceful Donetsk residents shot by the Banderva, Donetsk Alley of Angels, already says a lot about this non-people! negative
                        No, well, grimaces "like sympathetic" he, of course, diligently portrays, when his nasal-raspy voice sounds the corresponding texts ... all the same provincial actor "earned" wink , but "plays with the face" is very unconvincing - does not cause confidence!
                      4. 3danimal
                        3danimal April 3 2020 13: 52 New
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                        What about civilian casualties in Chechnya? I remember, we did not particularly sympathize with them. He spoke in the beginning of the 00s with a participant in the 2nd campaign - he spoke very negatively, in the key: that is what they needed, they paid for the support to the militants.
                        In addition, by “scum” he could mean “volunteers” with “vacationers”. Was scum Khattab (and everyone else), a foreigner, who came to help the separatists?
                        There is an interview with the “field commanders” 2014-2015, where they directly tell how they deployed MLRS and artillery in residential quarters (hiding behind civilians?), Justifying themselves that otherwise they would have been easily defeated in the open.
                      5. beeper
                        beeper April 3 2020 14: 35 New
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                        hi We are ugly holivarim about Zelts ?! winked At the first place - According to his deeds, as a maydanopresika, and not by the opportunistic memorized "words" and unconvincing "grimaces" of the self-taught actor! wink
  • mmaxx
    mmaxx April 1 2020 07: 59 New
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    I read the memories. That's just Schmeisser in Izhevsk and was involved in stamping technology. They didn’t let him and all the people not get to the weapon itself.
    1. bunta
      bunta April 1 2020 08: 53 New
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      Quote: mmaxx
      Read memories
      Schmeisser? :)
      1. mmaxx
        mmaxx April 1 2020 09: 18 New
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        Some of the Izhmash veterans. In the magazine. They say Schmeisser fumbled cool. He was a great specialist. Like all the Germans there.
        Since it was all about Izhmash, the magazine was most likely Kalashnikov. Available somewhere, but I will not look.
        1. bunta
          bunta April 1 2020 09: 58 New
          +2
          In short, I heard a ringing.
          1. mmaxx
            mmaxx April 1 2020 16: 52 New
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            Are there any other reliable data? In addition to the generally accepted: did AK instead of Kalashnikov? In order not to accuse me of ringing heard somewhere?
            Facts in the studio.
            1. bunta
              bunta April 1 2020 18: 28 New
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              And you go to my profile to start.
              1. mmaxx
                mmaxx April 2 2020 09: 05 New
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                Well, I looked. And even read it. Nothing that I could not argue with. The Germans were involved in stamping and sat. They did something, didn’t do something. Then what? Well, I didn’t write that Schmeisser inspired our entire industry with advanced German stamping and since then it has been flooded so that you cannot catch up with it. He simply retold the man’s words about what the Germans were doing. They, for example, according to the same words, were engaged in all kinds of motorized wheelchairs and seeder-winders. But not a weapon. So AK and MG-44 did not have one parent.
                In Germany there was nothing to eat, and for the Soviet salary and rations, you will not be engaged in that.
                By the way, stamping is a very interesting thing. There is a field for the application of the mind at any time. This experience decides a lot. And the managers did not sell the production for scrap.
                I'll try to search through the magazines. They are in electronic form on the site very well built. I can find it. There was a series of articles.
                1. bunta
                  bunta April 2 2020 09: 36 New
                  +1
                  Quote: mmaxx
                  He simply retold the man’s words about what the Germans were doing.
                  This is called OBS. What perfectly characterizes you.
                2. mmaxx
                  mmaxx April 2 2020 13: 53 New
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                  Read your articles. The same OBS. I even write kamenty. I do not rock the article.
                3. bunta
                  bunta April 2 2020 15: 17 New
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                  Dear mmaxx, I do not only read my articles, I also write them myself, collecting material for more than one month and not at all in file bins. If you could only demonstrate your limitations with your statements, you wouldn’t go wherever and you would have been given a long hand. But you stupid statements simply stain our domestic dignity and pride. God will forgive you.
                4. mmaxx
                  mmaxx April 2 2020 17: 17 New
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                  It is unclear where you saw the dirtying there - ((((. Domestic dignity, etc., doesn’t need you in any way. But my own gets dirty. This is about characterizing me.
  • Professor
    Professor April 1 2020 07: 39 New
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    Quote: pishchak
    I did not understand the author's praises to Israel Galili-Balashnikov (before the Internet era in the Soviet special literature the pre-Israel surname of the Galil rifle designer was written-Blashnikov, so I remember it) ??! Really something, but he only successfully used, practically without changes, all the main design developments of Mikhail Timofeevich Kalashnikov

    No. He used the basic design developments of Hera Schmeiser.
    1. mmaxx
      mmaxx April 1 2020 08: 02 New
      +3
      Where do you get Schmeisser fans? You need to understand at least a little that what the MG-44 and AK have in common is only the appearance and tactical niche.
      1. Professor
        Professor April 1 2020 08: 36 New
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        Quote: mmaxx
        Where do you get Schmeisser fans? You need to understand at least a little that what the MG-44 and AK have in common is only the appearance and tactical niche.

        Like Galila with AK. wink
        1. mmaxx
          mmaxx April 1 2020 09: 17 New
          +1
          I get it. I don’t see any reason to write about anything else.
          1. Professor
            Professor April 1 2020 09: 33 New
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            Quote: mmaxx
            I get it. I don’t see any reason to write about anything else.

            It is right. hi
    2. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U April 1 2020 13: 51 New
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      Oh yes, Schmeiser and Galil, and the communist Kalashnikov brazenly licked all this from the Nazi and Zionist. laughing
      1. Professor
        Professor April 1 2020 16: 44 New
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        Quote: Vladimir_2U

        Oh yes, Schmeiser and Galil, and the communist Kalashnikov brazenly licked all this from the Nazi and Zionist. laughing

        No. All used the German experience. Someone in absentia, but someone in person.
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U April 1 2020 16: 55 New
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          You photo incomplete disassembly, in principle, able to match? What are the developments? So it’s possible to compare BMP-1 with Merkava, but there’s a gusli tower, it’s dviglo in front, just like they licked Merkava with BMP. On the back door, no doubt.
          1. Professor
            Professor April 1 2020 17: 07 New
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            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            You photo incomplete disassembly, in principle, able to match? What are the developments?

            Indeed, what "advice" did the eminent gunsmith give to the unknown sergeant?

            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            So it’s possible to compare BMP-1 with Merkava, but there’s a gusli tower, it’s dviglo in front, just like they licked Merkava with BMP. On the back door, no doubt.

            The BMP-1 experience was undoubtedly taken into account in the development of Merkava. Tal personally encountered the battle in the BMP-1.
            1. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U April 2 2020 04: 49 New
              +1
              Quote: Professor
              The BMP-1 experience was undoubtedly taken into account in the development of Merkava. Tal personally encountered the battle in the BMP-1.

              No, no, following your logic, Merkava is a brazenly wounded BMP-1.
              Quote: Professor
              Indeed, what "advice" did the eminent gunsmith give to the unknown sergeant?
              And really, which ones? The fact that Kalashnikov created AK before moving to Izhevsk in 1948 doesn’t matter, because Schmeisser was so brilliant that he mentally advised from a distance.
              1. Professor
                Professor April 2 2020 07: 58 New
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                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                No, no, following your logic, Merkava is a brazenly wounded BMP-1.

                Why brazenly? We did not violate patents, and the front location of the Defense Ministry was not first used on the BMP-1 so that it rests.

                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                And really, which ones? The fact that Kalashnikov created AK before moving to Izhevsk in 1948 doesn’t matter, because Schmeisser was so brilliant that he mentally advised from a distance.

                The sergeant created the best in the world from scratch without having created anything before, and after that practically nothing, and the legendary gunsmith worked as an apprentice for the sergeant, "gave advice." And so it was. Nobody argues.
                1. Vladimir_2U
                  Vladimir_2U April 2 2020 08: 17 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Professor
                  Why brazenly? We did not violate patents, and the front location of the Defense Ministry was not first used on the BMP-1 so that it rests.
                  Well, Kalashnikov applied the layout solutions that were before him and Schmeisser, I just developed your logic.
                  Quote: Professor
                  The sergeant created the best in the world from scratch without having created anything before, and after that practically nothing, and the legendary gunsmith worked as an apprentice for the sergeant, "gave advice"
                  You just do not know anything about this, neither about the participation of MTK in weapons competitions, during the war, by the way, nor about the fact that MTK from 42 to 48 in Moscow worked as a designer and precisely a rifleman, and no Schmeisser was at least to him before 48 years could not advise anything, but you continue to broadcast this stupid nonsense, about the "great teacher".
                  1. Professor
                    Professor April 2 2020 08: 52 New
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                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    Well, Kalashnikov applied the layout solutions that were before him and Schmeisser, I just developed your logic.

                    ... and a couple of Schmeiser tips. According to Kalashnikov himself.

                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    You just do not know anything about this, neither about the participation of MTK in weapons competitions, during the war, by the way, nor about the fact that MTK from 42 to 48 in Moscow worked as a designer and precisely a rifleman, and no Schmeisser was at least to him before 48 years could not advise anything, but you continue to broadcast this stupid nonsense, about the "great teacher".

                    I know something. I love to read, a good memory.
                    1. Vladimir_2U
                      Vladimir_2U April 2 2020 08: 56 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Professor
                      and a couple of Schmeiser tips. According to Kalashnikov himself
                      Apparently do not wait for a quote ..
                      Quote: Professor
                      I know something. I love to read, a good memory.

                      And why then write such nonsense ?!
                      Quote: Professor
                      The sergeant created the best in the world from scratch without having created anything before, and after that practically nothing, and the legendary gunsmith worked as an apprentice for the sergeant, "gave advice"
                    2. Professor
                      Professor April 2 2020 09: 08 New
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                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      Apparently do not wait for a quote ..

                      https://topwar.ru/453-tajna-avtomata-kalashnikova-raskryta.html

                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      And why then write such nonsense ?!
                      Quote: Professor
                      The sergeant created the best in the world from scratch without having created anything before, and after that practically nothing, and the legendary gunsmith worked as an apprentice for the sergeant, "gave advice"

                      You will now post me a list of weapons created by Kalashnikov before the legendary AK. I'm right?
                    3. bunta
                      bunta April 2 2020 09: 45 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Professor
                      https://topwar.ru/453-tajna-avtomata-kalashnikova-raskryta.html

                      This is not a quote. This is a fiction of the same as you ... I personally know Korobeinikov, at the time of my acquaintance I didn’t know what he was ... Professor, a link to such resources very colorfully describes how ...
                    4. Professor
                      Professor April 2 2020 10: 29 New
                      -1
                      Quote: bunta
                      Quote: Professor
                      https://topwar.ru/453-tajna-avtomata-kalashnikova-raskryta.html

                      This is not a quote. This is a fiction of the same as you ... I personally know Korobeinikov, at the time of my acquaintance I didn’t know what he was ... You professor link to similar resources very colorfully describes how ...

                      A man wrote on the VO website about links to VO. A curtain. fellow
                  2. Vladimir_2U
                    Vladimir_2U April 2 2020 10: 50 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Professor
                    and a couple of Schmeiser tips. According to Kalashnikov himself.
                    What a flawed quote, there are no words of Kalashnikov, only the words of the author of the article, the level of which corresponds to your knowledge of Kalashnikov.
                    Quote: Professor
                    https://topwar.ru/453-tajna-avtomata-kalashnikova-raskryta.html

                    Quote: Professor
                    You will now post me a list of weapons created by Kalashnikov before the legendary AK. I'm right?
                    I’m talking with you, and before my eyes I have a list of questions about your personality:
                    1) see point 2, just do not pretend
                    2) Do you pretend to be a fool, like a troll?
                    3) You do not know how to use search engines?
                    For the third case, you have references:
                    http://museum-mtk.ru/armourers/kalashnikov/weapons
                    https://picturehistory.livejournal.com/618025.html
                    https://www.kalashnikov.ru/na-puti-k-ak-47-2/
                  3. Professor
                    Professor April 2 2020 12: 45 New
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                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    What a flawed quote, there are no words of Kalashnikov, only the words of the author of the article, the level of which corresponds to your knowledge of Kalashnikov.

                    Why don't you leave the site where such "flawed" articles are posted?

                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    I’m talking with you, and before my eyes I have a list of questions about your personality:

                    You can not discuss my personality. Firstly, you do not have rights to this, and secondly, you do not have the appropriate education.

                    PS
                    I did not send you to the search engine. So it is not accepted among educated people. This is the time.
                    In the links provided by you, I did not notice a single original sample of the weapon developed by the sergeant to the legendary machine gun, but only alterations. Roughly like the Schmeisser assault rifle -> Galil assault rifle. And this reinforces my doubts about the role of the eminent German in the development of Soviet weapons. These are two.
                    I consider the offtopic closed. These are three. hi
                  4. Vladimir_2U
                    Vladimir_2U April 2 2020 13: 11 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Professor
                    Why don't you leave the site where such "flawed" articles are posted?
                    Because here, for the most part, there are normal and even excellent articles, you just managed to find a flaw.
                    Quote: Professor
                    You can not discuss my personality. Firstly, you do not have rights to this, and secondly, you do not have the appropriate education.
                    And I did not discuss, so I asked.
                    Quote: Professor
                    I did not send you to the search engine
                    And I didn’t send you, I brought the links, sorry that I didn’t think of placing pictures with text from there, but it should be, because:
                    Quote: Professor
                    In the links provided by you, I did not notice any original weapons developed by the sergeant to the legendary machine gun, but only alterations
                    Sorry, my flaw, here is a list:
                    1. Experienced pistol - machine gun model 1942
                    The submachine gun was tested at the Shchurovsky range. ... It was not accepted into service.
                    2. Experienced machine gun model 1943
                    Caliber - 7,62 mm. Passed tests at the Shchurovsky training ground in 1943. It was not adopted.
                    3. Experienced self-loading carbine sample 1944
                    Caliber - 7,62 mm. Passed tests at the Shchurovsky training ground in 1943. It was not adopted.
                    4. Experienced submachine gun mod. 1947
                    It was not adopted.
                    And this is without the so-called "AK-46". I see no reason to bring pictures, because:
                    Quote: Professor
                    only alterations
                    pictures of "sources" you, in principle, cannot bring.
  • beeper
    beeper April 1 2020 19: 13 New
    +5
    Eh, Professor-Professor, such amateurish profanation of a rifle-gun theme did not expect from you, chesslovo! request
    You, with your proshmeisser "remark", virtually look like a first-year student (one of those sad "Losers" who are expelled after the first session), not a professor, and not even a graduate student! wink
    1. bunta
      bunta April 2 2020 12: 08 New
      +3
      Professor. Sour cabbage soup. A seal as an academician.
      1. Alexey Lobanov
        Alexey Lobanov April 2 2020 17: 06 New
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        Quote: bunta
        Professor. Sour cabbage soup. A seal as an academician.

        Maybe his account was pulled, it doesn’t look like a Professor ... :)
  • Alexey Lobanov
    Alexey Lobanov April 2 2020 19: 45 New
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    Quote: Professor
    No. He used the basic design developments of Hera Schmeiser.

    Well, then, on the same principle, let's assume that Schmeisser, his mother Hugo, stole the scheme from Walter, who stole the scheme from Tokarev (CBT), who borrowed the scheme from Simonov (ABC)? Just how sideways in these AK circuits? You better remember about Garanda in such cases. Schmeisser doesn’t get into this scheme at all ... :) Better is CETME Spanish, and G3, here the Hugo school is visible ...
  • Operator
    Operator April 1 2020 13: 58 New
    +4
    Quote: Zeev Zeev
    It's strange. Israel could stamp the receiver of a copy of the FN FAL or an all-stamped Uzi, but there is no AK receiver

    The fact of the matter is that Israel acquired a complete package for FN and Galila - manufacturing technology plus weapon design. Balashnikov was simply appointed (to satisfy national vanity) as the chief designer of a clone of a Finnish product with a milled receiver.

    And local Israeli designers with alternative models of assault rifles (requiring the development of technology and mastering in production) were driven for Mozhai / Jordan laughing
    1. Alexey Lobanov
      Alexey Lobanov April 2 2020 17: 09 New
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      Quote: Operator
      The fact of the matter is that Israel acquired a complete package for FN and Galila - manufacturing technology plus weapon design. Balashnikov was simply appointed (to satisfy national vanity) as the chief designer of a clone of a Finnish product with a milled receiver.

      For all doubters, we just take the shutter frame from the AK and insert it into Galil, we leave the shutter larva native. :)
      1. Alexey Lobanov
        Alexey Lobanov April 2 2020 22: 04 New
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        And from Stg-44 (Sturmgever) all lovers of the theory of the "Kalashnikov-Schmeisser conspiracy" will be able to shove the shutter only into ... Straight with SKEW, as expected. Stop writing nonsense! Sturmgever is famous only for its "intermediate" patron, nothing more. And the KALASHNIKOV AUTOMATOR is a huge step in the design thought of small arms. He changed his era. Resign yourself already. Your $ ranaya emka (with a bolt closer :)))))) borrowed more from the Kalash than the Kalash from the Sturmgever.
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      Alexey Lobanov April 3 2020 01: 24 New
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      Quote: Operator
      The fact of the matter is that Israel acquired a complete package for FN and Galila - manufacturing technology plus weapon design.

      And he took for Galil only a butt from FN FAL. Damn, there’s no one to quarantine with quarantine! Except for the wife. Shame in. Just Galil is my love.
      1. Operator
        Operator April 3 2020 01: 35 New
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        took for Galil only a butt from FN FAL

        Rub the topic "Valmet" with your wife - and then we'll talk.
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          Alexey Lobanov April 3 2020 01: 45 New
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          Valmet had no such stocks. A piece of wood or a thick steel pipe with squiggles. Finns without much imagination. :) But the AK-5 is Swedish ...
  • Sarkazm
    Sarkazm April 5 2020 01: 20 New
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    Not at all super shooters, but I liked the new version of the TAVOR assault rifle in caliber 7,62mm or .308. It has differences and features from previous IMI bulpups, but it attracted me with its caliber, I always preferred 7,62 mm to 5,45 mm, and now, as a hunter, I prefer 7,62x51 (.308) to our 7,62x39. There are many reviews of this rifle, I’ll lay out only one as a guideline, a summary of many - TAVOR at 7,62 is a carbine for short and medium distances, where it shows very good results, but at long distances it’s far from a sniper rifle. But still a tasty and good rifle good
  • Operator
    Operator April 7 2020 21: 33 New
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    Quote: gross kaput

    Where did you see 1100 atmospheres when a bullet took off from a barrel on your own chart? laughing

    Sanity (at the level of the physics course of the Soviet high school) is more useful than knowledge of the materiel - do not go to a fortuneteller.
    1. gross kaput
      gross kaput April 15 2020 23: 23 New
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      Where did you see 1100 atmospheres when a bullet took off from a barrel on your own chart?

      Alyosha specially showed you a graph for understanding the pressure in the gas outlet area with the softest equipment, the hot .223 on the exhaust will just give out a maximum of 1100 - if you had been more educated, you would have thought for a long time in the quick box and looked, since you were a computer operator so they stayed. laughing
      1. Operator
        Operator April 16 2020 01: 17 New
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        "Nikolasha", it's time for you to go to elementary school - to master reading and arithmetic skills, and only then move on to charts, "hot gear with 1100 exhaust gases" with a 500 mm barrel, etc. etc.

        Otherwise, you will successfully confirm your "big kaput" from comment to comment. laughing
  • geologist
    geologist April 14 2020 21: 13 New
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    Before the assault gun, infantry weapons were virtually "indestructible". A machine gun, a submachine gun and even more so a rifle could fire 1000 bullets continuously (as far as humanly possible) and not break. After Schmeisser, everything breaks down much earlier and no one knows where the way out. Six horns can be released from the "Kalash", and if there are more, then the forend will first light up and it will be impossible to hold it for aimed shooting, and then the barrel will begin to bend down, the bolt will jam or the barrel will burn out. Can't imagine how to press the Tavor, red-hot after 500 shots, to your cheek? The weapon of the infantry of the future must be able to reach a battle of 1000 rounds without destruction and remain comfortable - not to burn a soldier with a red-hot iron.