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ITAR-TASS, USSR heritage, patriotism and money

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Photo by Evgeny Chaldey (Telegraph Agency of the Soviet Union, TASS)


So, sooner or later we’ll have some amendments to the Constitution regarding the protection of the historical heritage, the memory of the Victory, and all that.

Yes, the phrase is read so-so, a certain neglect is felt.

I agree. Immediately, I agree with those who say that it is necessary to deposit. Yes, it’s necessary to make, it’s necessary ... It’s worthless, if everything is going along Chernomyrdin with us? Well, they’ll bring it, it’s necessary to store. What's next?

Yes, gentlemen screamers, then what?

And, as I understand it, further (since everything is spelled out already in the Constitution), we will tremblingly preserve it, protect it, and not let anyone with dirty paws in history, to teach the younger generation, our grandchildren and great-grandchildren if ...

If there is anything. I mean, if we pay.

Now the most active part of readers will begin to ask a question: what are you talking about, the author?

And I'm talking about the fact that the Soviet times, when children and youth were brought up on the examples of the past, have sunk into oblivion. And we have market relations. And in them there is no place for patriotism, love for the motherland, knowledge of history, if you do not pay for all this.

Not those times, you know ... And every heritage has its own master.

You don’t have to go far for examples, at least once a month various individuals sue us trying to earn money by allegedly “violating their copyrights”.

In general, of course, everything is fine with the so-called copyright. This is a business that makes very good money. And each such resource, which will be discussed now, has a whole department that scans the Internet day and night in search of clues for earnings.

And they find.

By the way, many readers ask me why, talking about planes and now about cruisers, I carefully circumvent the topic of Soviet technology.

Yes, that's exactly why.

When I had the opportunity to remove equipment in the museums of Padikovo and Verkhnyaya Pyshma, I shot and boldly wrote. And here came the plug. To buy from some kind of “copyright holder”, which is often not even the copyright holder ... Since there is a very harmonious system for receiving money by offices that have nothing to do with real copyright holders.

So what about him: it’s more expensive for yourself (more precisely, “VO”). Who cares, check out how much one photograph costs for a single placement today. You will be pleasantly amazed.

But back to the topic of conversation, or rather, continue.

Recently we received another “hello” from ITAR-TASS.

This is an article by Alexander Samsonov dated July 10, 2012 "Operation" Fishing for sturgeon. "To the 70th anniversary of the fall of Sevastopol. Part 2" and an article by Dmitry Nikadimov dated July 27, 2016 "The German command:" Kill all Russian ". Part 2".

Alexander has 8 photos in article. Of these, 1 is Soviet. The rest are made by German photocovers.

Dmitry has 6 photos.

And this is what FSUE ITAR-TASS exposes.

ITAR-TASS, USSR heritage, patriotism and money


I agree, it’s not very good when the author and source of the photograph are not indicated. Indeed, both incorrectly and illegally. And in a good way you need to delete the photo.

But let's look at all this from a slightly different angle.

What does ITAR-TASS exhibit?

1. Conclusion of a license agreement of VO-Media LLC with ITAR-TASS.
2. Removal of photographs owned by ITAR-TASS.
3. Payment of 20 thousand rubles for the use of photographs.

By the way, the requirement is written in the text with an error. They were in a hurry, without feeling their feet for joy.

And if the claim is not satisfied within 10 days - of course, an extensive arsenal of threats. The easiest of which is the court. And ITAR-TASS will also be “forced to take measures to limit access to your site.”

Like this. If suddenly, you know where to turn with questions.

I won’t dive into the depths of jurisprudence; I’m only interested in one detail. “And who are the judges?”

To do this, look at the one who made the claim. At ITAR-TASS.

ITAR-TASS


So, the sole founder of ITAR-TASS is the government of the Russian Federation. And here questions raced ...

What do we get? But it turns out not very beautiful. The Russian government is actually engaged in usurping the right to information. Yes, ITAR-TASS will simply get rich on the archive of photos that they got "for free." On the rights of successors.

It turns out that even the photos of Chaldean, Carmen, Alpert, Balthermanz, Ignatovich, Zelmanovich, Strunnikov, Ryumkin, Shaikhet, which have long been made publicly available, are illegal?

It turns out like this. That is, now, in a free and democratic Russia, we will have to pay for what was created back in the days of the USSR, when today's business managers, excuse me, were not in the project?

Yes. The law is strong, but it's law.

It is clear that they will definitely not search for those who posted the photo on the Internet. As well as delete. What for? Catch, catch, fish, big and small.

We, again, will not consider the legal side of the issue. Let specially trained employees from both sides do this.

I’m talking about how to educate, educate, persuade, finally. How to deal with the indifference of youth, with the fact that today in open social networks there is an open war for the brains (or rather, the embryos of brains) that are growing to replace us.

So the change is growing. Knowing nothing.

What can I say if the entire history of the Great Patriotic War in the textbook takes 7-8 paragraphs, depending on the creator? We already wrote, compared. Ah, how bad everything is in Ukraine, right? Five paragraphs. And Belarusians had 12, if my memory serves me right. That is more than ours.

Supplement? Fight?

Sure, not a problem. In the Constitution, it will be written that memory must be kept. Here TASS will be stored. And multiply your profits.

And everyone will be what? That's right, carry money to the ITAR-TASS cash desk. That is, the government of the Russian Federation.

No, that's fine. But for some reason, it’s customary to maintain patriotism all over the world, but it’s customary to make money with it. Capitalism, you know ... Market ...

Well, the words of the next speech of the same president, crowning the May 9 hysteria that we are obliged, must and everything else ... Yes, we are obliged.

Obliged to pay the right to be patriots. Otherwise they will come and demand. To the state treasury.

The funny thing is that ITAR-TASS, which today is proudly trying to call itself “just TASS,” has absolutely nothing to do with the pictures on which it makes money.

Tell me, what’s so? Copyright ... So this is the question: if the state claims that we need to preserve memory, work with young people and all that, then we need to act differently. At least in relation to those who are really trying to work in this direction.

Give the opportunity to work.

And by this I mean open access to documents, photographs, films. Take it, gentlemen, patriots, work. Sow in the minds and minds of the sensible, kind and eternal!

According to President Putin. It is very necessary to keep the memory. We introduce into the Constitution.

Interestingly, the price tag on patriotism will also be in the Constitution?

Of course not. He will remain behind the scenes. In order not to frighten those who want to write about the feat of fathers and grandfathers and (here it is, a moment of good luck!) Post a couple of photos for illustration.

Although in the case of Samsonov, one was enough. To the joy of ITAR-TASS.

Here is the answer to the question asked. Why not write about the Soviet past tomorrow. It may be disadvantageous. It’s not always (or rather, very rarely) you can determine exactly whether they will rip you off for posting a photo or not. It belongs to someone or how.

Under the pressure of our admirers of ships, who openly tortured questions on the subject of Soviet cruisers, I decided that after all, the Svetlana type were worthy ships that were in no way inferior to their analogues. But no. It is unrealistic to make a normal story about a ship without showing it. Agree, this is so.

To run the risk of fines and thereby bring the entire publication? Sorry, no. More precisely, you don’t have to dismiss, because there is simply no desire to write on this topic. As well as looking for someone to pay so that you can post material both about the Soviet cruiser Red Caucasus, for example, and about its crew.

Many noted that materials about the heavy cruisers of Japan were with a very colorful accompaniment. I’ll tell you a secret: I just found a forum of ship fans and asked them to help with photos of Japanese heavy cruisers of World War II.

In general, the Japanese, it seemed to me, are all fans of the ships of the past. Well, or almost everything.

It was amazing, by the way. The mail burst, because so many photos were sent ... And until now letters have come on the topic “Do you want to write about our light cruisers?” And what about destroyers? And what about the battleships? ”

Well, yes, of course, exotic: Russian, respectfully speaking about Japanese ships.

Approximately the same with respect to any other country. For some reason, there is absolutely no fear when posting photos of British, German, American ships. Italian and French planes.

I don’t think they give a damn. Just a different approach.

Pay for the right to tell / for the right to show. Talk about the deeds of our ancestors, show their faces. To know, to remember. To tell about battles that did not find a place in history textbooks, to show the frozen moments of that great war ...

Everything is possible. Fill out the application, enter into an agreement and pay the bill. Yes, and do not forget the license agreement.

Where, in what country of the world can you still find this? No, maybe you can find it, just what part did they take in that war?

Such a disgusting taste, to be honest. But alas, nothing can be done. It is unlikely that we should expect improvements, I think that now such a struggle will go down in history that there will be no wet place left from it. As always with us, however.

I don’t know how other authors will look, but in this light of recent events, and even in such a crisis, perhaps ITAR-TASS writes historical excursions. An overhead affair is playing patriotic education with the state.

Nowadays patriotism is getting a little expensive. As a form of "Unarmia." And with about the same degree of effectiveness.

Of course, it’s stupid to madness to take money from those who would like to bring light into the darkness of historical illiteracy. But since the state so needs money to educate its citizens, well ... I wish you success in this sweet and profitable business.

And we will talk about something less costly than patriotism and memory.

At least, until these in the government will not reach what foul nonsense they are doing with their licensing agreements and charging money.

And we won’t be surprised when other soldiers of that war will replace the soldier with the flag on the roof of the Reichstag. For which they will not take money.

And what, we have a market. All is fair.
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  1. Svarog
    Svarog 30 March 2020 07: 32 New
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    Of course, it’s stupid to madness to take money from those who would like to bring light into the darkness of historical illiteracy. But since the state so needs money to educate its citizens, well ... I wish you success in this sweet and profitable business.

    Theater of the absurd .. and the further into the forest, the more firewood ..
    And what, we have a market. All is fair.

    No, it’s not fair .. they squeezed out all socialist property for a penny and now they demand everything .. The word “justice” will soon be forgotten altogether ..
    1. Ilya-spb
      Ilya-spb 30 March 2020 07: 40 New
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      It seems that the market and patriotism are not compatible.

      At all times there were heroes who defended the country, risked their lives, and traders.

      For some reason, this situation with ITAR TASS reminded me of the stolen quartermasters in the rear.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 30 March 2020 07: 45 New
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        It will be written in the Constitution that memory is needed keep. Here TASS will be stored.

        So far, only bury.
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        2. mole
          mole 30 March 2020 21: 31 New
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          "So far it turns out only to bury"
          Victory Day is the only thing that we truly unites as a nation. Neither religion nor politics, etc., gives such unity. From school history, pride in the exploits of great-grandfathers was excluded, films on screens are worse than fast food, now they have taken photos.
          The villains understood, as long as the Immortal Regiment exists, We are invincible. So they destroy the only bonds. As I see it - purposefully.
      2. Igoresha
        Igoresha 30 March 2020 10: 54 New
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        It seems that the market and patriotism are not compatible.
        as the article suggests, the Japanese are quite compatible.
    2. Slavs
      Slavs 30 March 2020 11: 20 New
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      Quote: Svarog
      The word "justice" will soon be completely forgotten ..

      It’s time to forget.
      1. depressant
        depressant 30 March 2020 11: 53 New
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        Roman, it's time to understand that we do not have capitalism, even in its primitive form. And there is an ugly Zagrebalo feast of predators-compradors.
        1. Lelek
          Lelek 30 March 2020 14: 48 New
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          Quote: depressant
          And there is an ugly Zagrebalo feast of predators-compradors.

          hi
          Bravo. In confirmation of what you said:

          Old, but relevant. yes
        2. Altona
          Altona 30 March 2020 15: 41 New
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          Quote: depressant
          Roman, it's time to understand that we do not have capitalism, even in its primitive form. And there is an ugly Zagrebalo feast of predators-compradors.

          ---------------------------
          Lyudmila Yakovlevna, by the way, have you not read an interview with Oleg Deripaska Asmolov from 2006 entitled "Utilization of Russia"? Deripaska told in plain text that the Ost plan would be fulfilled in Russia, that unnecessary people would be disposed of, that the president was simply their oligarchic hired manager. Well, then read on yourself. That’s actually all the “memory of the ancestors”, all their abomination, all their lies and all their hypocrisy.
          1. depressant
            depressant 30 March 2020 16: 36 New
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            Altona, something is hanging in the air, not only Deripaska burst there. Smell, daredevils, danger. For example, HSE professor Dmitry Evstafyev suddenly welcomed the introduction of a 15% tax on the withdrawal of dividends into offshore companies, naming the oligarchs the so-called (and the so-called, so-called, HSE is not supposed to serve them) offshore aristocracy, "which, in fact, dividend withdrawal account existed. " And then he criticizes the manner of “some overly resourceful businessmen selling their shares to themselves, earning income, and then taking them offshore. Moreover, they often arrange various kinds of bankruptcy simulations,” do you think, HSE professors, patterns? And, they say, Putin put in the center of human development, and not an absolute idea. Like, the long and painful process of nationalization of the economy began ...
            It remains only to shrug their hands - what kind of economy? Which with the filing and blessing of the HSE is ruined? And in what conditions is a person placed at the center? Is it not in the suffocating embrace of a whole body of new discriminatory laws?
            In general, the behavior is according to the principle: white come - we’ll show such a quote, red come - a kind of opposite meaning. Fuss over. And vanity is a sign of fear. Trying to survive, daredevils, - in the realities of future terrible times. After all, no one yet knows what color will be in those times.
      2. Shiva83483
        Shiva83483 30 March 2020 20: 40 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        The word "justice" will soon be completely forgotten ..
        What is it to forget? As long as there are people who believe in justice, that is, that is, justice is an indisputable fact ... like this or not ... who are their problems ...
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  3. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 30 March 2020 07: 37 New
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    All honestly sleep the wife of citizens of the USSR, a handful of members of the CPSU and the KGB, and now we have them in operation and they are selling our history to us for money, yes ...
    1. tatra
      tatra 30 March 2020 08: 22 New
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      Enough to justify the criminals already. As the saying goes, “look for someone in every crime, who benefits,” And the destruction of the USSR is beneficial only to the most cruel enemies of the Communists. Which launched their anti-Soviet Perestroika with total slander against the Communists to justify their capture of the USSR. And after 30 years, this slander against the Communists of their enemies is the only justification for their capture of the USSR. And to unite the communists with those members of the CPSU who betrayed the communists, starting with Gorbachev and the perestroika, is how to unite General Karbyshev and General Vlasov.
      1. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 30 March 2020 08: 52 New
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        "And to unite the Communists with those members of the CPSU who betrayed the Communists"
        I don’t quite understand if the Communists betrayed the Communists?
        1. tatra
          tatra 30 March 2020 09: 06 New
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          Well then, it’s useless for you to explain how the members of the Communist Party of the USSR General Karbyshev differ from General Vlasov.
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 30 March 2020 11: 34 New
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            One was a patriot, the other was not.
            1. tatra
              tatra 30 March 2020 11: 48 New
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              Yes, one was a patriot of his country and people, and the other turned out to be a traitor. Therefore, the Communists executed Vlasov, and made Karbyshev a Hero of the Soviet Union. And by the same analogy, all normal people consider the members of the CPSU Gorbachev, Yeltsin, and all other members of the CPSU, who have proved their true anti-communist nature to be anti-Soviet Perestroika, as traitors, and abnormal ones persistently throw them to the Communists and their supporters.
              1. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. 30 March 2020 12: 04 New
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                Most of the Communists were enemies of the people, especially Lenin’s comrades-in-arms: Bukharin, Trotsky, Kamenev, Rykov. I am not surprised that the Communists easily destroyed the Power, which was created for hundreds of years, then with blood.
              2. Phil77
                Phil77 30 March 2020 13: 00 New
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                But how did these traitors find themselves at the top of the power? Where was the political bureau, did they blink? And why are normal, in your understanding, always down? But you yourself don’t think that under the power of * normal communists * you wouldn’t write your thoughts out loud on the Internet, for you simply wouldn’t have such an opportunity, by definition! At best, in a small run * For the Soviet scene! *
        2. AUL
          AUL 30 March 2020 09: 17 New
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          Quote: Pessimist22
          "And to unite the Communists with those members of the CPSU who betrayed the Communists"
          I don’t quite understand if the Communists betrayed the Communists?

          It's simple here. There used to be Bolsheviks and Communists. And later - members (in every sense) of the CPSU and the Communist Party. And this is far from the same thing!
          PS I have no comments on yesterday’s article on the Russian Guard?
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 30 March 2020 09: 24 New
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            Quote: AUL
            PS I have no comments on yesterday’s article on the Russian Guard?

            Me too. There is an article, no comments.
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            2. bubalik
              bubalik 30 March 2020 12: 02 New
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              Phil77 (Sergey)
              Sergey, did you notice that the photo “The Banner of Victory over the Reichstag” in the article is not original? wink
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 30 March 2020 12: 18 New
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                I read that the second watch was retouched with a needle. Well, so that there are no charges of looting.
                1. Igoresha
                  Igoresha 30 March 2020 12: 29 New
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                  second hours
                  they also wore a compass on their right hand

                  colorized photo
                  Red banner over the Reichstag


                  watch barely visible
                  1. Phil77
                    Phil77 30 March 2020 12: 33 New
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                    Well, probably the editors also kind of * made secure *. They did not understand, a watch or a compass on his hand.
                  2. Phil77
                    Phil77 30 March 2020 12: 40 New
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                    By the way, pay attention to the rotation of the head of the officer! In the photo he is different.
                    1. Vladimir Glinsky
                      Vladimir Glinsky 30 March 2020 12: 59 New
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                      Quote: Phil77
                      By the way, pay attention to the rotation of the head of the officer! In the photo he is different.

                      So it’s normal, photographers always take some pictures.
                  3. mole
                    mole 30 March 2020 21: 10 New
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                    Igoresha, look, for the photo you posted, the "copyright holder" can come running. Begin to beg behind the laws.
                    1. Igoresha
                      Igoresha 31 March 2020 10: 08 New
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                      on pin-interest, and they were foreign bourgeois, nevermind them
                      1. mole
                        mole 31 March 2020 13: 31 New
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                        This is ours!
                  4. Icelord
                    Icelord April 13 2020 08: 56 New
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                    This is not a compass
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              1. Phil77
                Phil77 30 March 2020 12: 19 New
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                What is it called now? I just didn’t look.
                1. Loess
                  Loess 30 March 2020 12: 36 New
                  -1
                  About Rosguard and not only
            4. depressant
              depressant 30 March 2020 12: 28 New
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              And I have)) There is an article, the comments are closed - you see, Zolotov was offended and fussed: well, how the National Guard, having read, will politically decompose and turn with an interrogative expression on his face. Like, who will you be?
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 30 March 2020 12: 30 New
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                Quote: depressant
                Zolotov was offended and began to fuss:

                What if ... what if he calls for a duel? And I'm not even from the noblemen.
                1. depressant
                  depressant 30 March 2020 12: 35 New
                  +5
                  A colleague, if you call, the choice of weapons is yours. Agree on the verbal, we will cheer for you. Sure, win! )))
                  1. Phil77
                    Phil77 30 March 2020 12: 37 New
                    +5
                    So after all, this is the entire administrative resource! laughing
                    1. depressant
                      depressant 30 March 2020 12: 41 New
                      +6
                      And the truth is behind us! What is the strength in, brother? )))
                      1. Phil77
                        Phil77 30 March 2020 12: 44 New
                        +4
                        Well, if the film, then of course the truth! But in the realities? In any case, we then walk with you on the ground. And at the moment in apartments and on the site.
                      2. Phil77
                        Phil77 30 March 2020 12: 48 New
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                        But seriously, then of course I would like to know from the guys from the guard how they are served under the leadership of Zolotov.
                      3. depressant
                        depressant 30 March 2020 13: 19 New
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                        And not very well served!
                        Remember there was an article on VO? The National Guard guards complained that after long service they were promised apartments, but deceived. Served as expected, and go to the street. You, say, 40 or even 45, and you start all over again, as if young, as if you were 20, and you have a family for a long time, children. And the conditions of service are not very good. Well, the people trampled them, there was no sympathy. But in vain. 320 thousand guys, the color of the nation, its gene pool, our people. They need to hug, make friends with yourself. Well, I think so. I really regret my people. Each person. They want to divide us, make us enemies. This must not be allowed. But it is precisely divisions that are expected from us.
            5. Altona
              Altona 30 March 2020 15: 44 New
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              Quote: depressant
              The article is, comments are closed

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              And what good can you write about punishers and policemen? Only that they are punishers and policemen, led by the cabbage general.
              1. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 30 March 2020 18: 44 New
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                Quote: Altona
                And what good can you write about punishers and policemen? Only that they are punishers and policemen, led by the cabbage general.

                All-all? Including those who have served and are serving on the UK since the time when the WGs were called BB? Or have you forgotten that the ODON, all the defenses, and the SPC are now also WG?

                The funny thing is that happen to you that - and you will immediately run to punishers and police officers, and you’ll complain that they do not punish and polite enough. laughing
                1. Altona
                  Altona 30 March 2020 21: 08 New
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                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  The funny thing is that happen to you that - and you will immediately run to the punishers and police officers, and you will complain that they are not punishing and policizing enough.

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                  You have given the template arguments of propaganda. What relation do the Soviet explosives have to the bourgeois RG? But the bourgeois police to the Soviet police? (did the staff move? overshoot?) The funny thing is that on the “unauthorized” actions of the WG and the police actively violated the law regarding the use of special means and procedural rules. So it is not accepted. You may arbitrarily disagree with the position of the protesters, but no one has repealed the law in relation to them. Damage to property and anti-social actions in the form of pogroms were not. They also did not show violence. Therefore, the actions of the WG were redundant and unreasonable.
                  1. Alexey RA
                    Alexey RA 31 March 2020 10: 49 New
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                    Quote: Altona
                    What relation do the Soviet explosives have to the bourgeois RG?

                    Soviet BB has not been around for 30 years. In both Chechen fought Russian VV - those very bourgeois.
                    And I still remember how on this resource they rejoiced at the arrival of new armored personnel carriers and other equipment into the explosives. And in a couple of years with all the proletarian anger, they branded the vile hirelings of the capitalists - WG - for the same. Although the tasks for the BB and the WG are the same. There was simply no brand recognizable by VV, so they were often confused with ordinary police.

                    The WGs are the same VV of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation, to which the SOBR, OMON, and eighty thousand from the FSUE Okhrana and departmental guards proved it.
                    Quote: Altona
                    But the bourgeois police to the Soviet police?

                    To the Soviet the police, You want to say? For formally, the Soviet Union did not have a militia as an organization of armed citizens — law enforcement and other functions were carried out by specially trained people who qualified all over the world as police.
                    1. Octopus
                      Octopus 31 March 2020 14: 31 New
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                      Quote: Alexey RA
                      Both Chechen fought Russian explosives - the very bourgeois ones.

                      So they say that to you. Internal Troops fought with Russian citizens inside the borders of Russia. What's wrong?
                      Quote: Alexey RA
                      The WGs are the same VV of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation, to which the SOBR, OMON, and eighty thousand from the FSUE Okhrana and departmental guards proved it.

                      Yes. But it so happens that the public image of the WG is made by people who are visible in front of television cameras. And in front of the cameras they make it known that.
                      Well, Zolotov, of course. Comrade General is very peculiarly quarreling.
                      Quote: Alexey RA
                      To the Soviet police, you want to say?

                      You are more than right. In the wolf world of capital, the municipal police and the elected sheriff are again at the municipal level. In Russia, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Minister are personally appointed by the President. So that there the police are there, and here no and never has been.
                    2. Altona
                      Altona 31 March 2020 15: 20 New
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                      Quote: Alexey RA
                      And I still remember how on this resource they rejoiced at the arrival of new armored personnel carriers and other equipment into the explosives. And a couple of years later, with all the proletarian anger, they stigmatized the vile hirelings of the capitalists - the WG - for the same thing.

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                      I, and I hope a part of the public, reacted to the creation of bourgeois security structures with restraint and without pathos. As well as equipping them with countermeasures in urban conditions. Police translated "armed people." In Soviet times, the judicial authorities were popular and elected, so that the actions of the Soviet police did not carry punitive functions, and besides, there was tight supervision on the part of the prosecutor's office. VV were not involved at all in this format. They began to be attracted already at the sunset of the USSR and in the struggle against the popular unrest of the Yeltsin era. By the way, I very quickly find a common language with law enforcement officers and do not consider each of them individually as an “enemy,” but what I see in the format of the confrontation with the protest part of society raises questions for those who give orders first of all. I think that in the future, the security forces will experience a deficit in the law and legitimacy of their actions if the civil confrontation intensifies.
                2. Octopus
                  Octopus 31 March 2020 13: 50 New
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                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  The funny thing is that happen to you that - and you will immediately run to the punishers and policemen,

                  No. It will not lead to anything good.
            6. Octopus
              Octopus 31 March 2020 13: 51 New
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              Quote: depressant
              And I have)) There is an article, comments are closed

              It seems that the site engine does not support 500+ threads. This has already happened with very long conversations.
        3. Pessimist22
          Pessimist22 30 March 2020 09: 27 New
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          Comments are not available, I think they closed because the administration insured themselves, there was such a resonance, they expressed so much bad things about the government that, so that the resource would not be blocked, comments would be closed, money is important in a capitalist system, and they say that we have an independent press and freedom of speech smile
          1. Varyag_0711
            Varyag_0711 30 March 2020 10: 12 New
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            Pessimist22 (Igor)
            Comments are not available, I think they were closed because the administration was safe, such a resonance, so much was said about the authorities
            Comments are closed thanks specifically to you and others like you. Because in the comments in the article with congratulations to the soldiers of the Russian Guard, you poured a bunch of foul-smelling substance. Pluses poor fellow earned. Not sick of you from those pluses?
            1. Altona
              Altona 30 March 2020 21: 22 New
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              Quote: Varyag_0711
              soldiers of the Russian Guard

              ---------------------------
              A plastic cup brightly revealed this "army". Nothing personal, just a bright media touch plus a court verdict on an innocent branded this “army” from head to toe. One must think with one's head sometimes how this or that action will look from the side and in the media.
        4. Leshy1975
          Leshy1975 30 March 2020 09: 46 New
          +4
          Quote: AUL
          Quote: Pessimist22
          "And to unite the Communists with those members of the CPSU who betrayed the Communists"
          I don’t quite understand if the Communists betrayed the Communists?

          It's simple here. There used to be Bolsheviks and Communists. And later - members (in every sense) of the CPSU and the Communist Party. And this is far from the same thing!
          PS I have no comments on yesterday’s article on the Russian Guard?

          Also could not open. But for what reason did they close it?
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 30 March 2020 09: 54 New
            +5
            As Genessus Pessimist 22 wrote, no matter what happens.
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      2. Phil77
        Phil77 30 March 2020 09: 33 New
        -6
        Quote: Pessimist22
        I don’t quite understand if the Communists betrayed the Communists?

        The Communists betrayed the Communists because they are the wrong Communists. And the right Communists are those who are not enemies of the Communists. stop
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  • alekc75
    alekc75 30 March 2020 07: 45 New
    +4
    and how does it relate to them after that ????
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 30 March 2020 08: 02 New
      10
      Quote: alekc75
      and how does it relate to them after that ????

      How to the stupidity and hopelessness of today's politics in relation to its history and people .. How to substitute a person’s values, which will result in degradation in society ..
      1. depressant
        depressant 30 March 2020 11: 59 New
        +6
        On May 9, we will see a parade on Red Square as a political backup of the initially rotten regime.
        1. Altona
          Altona 30 March 2020 15: 46 New
          +7
          Quote: depressant
          backup of initially rotten mode.

          ------------------------
          The funny thing is that it does not need to be overthrown. He will overthrow himself by his "ingenious" management decisions (pension reform, taxes on everything and everything).
  • Same lech
    Same lech 30 March 2020 07: 53 New
    19
    The government of the Russian Federation is actually engaged in usurping the right to information.

    Here the author is one hundred percent right ...
    as soon as Roskomnadzor began to work, I just started cursing with the last words on the State Duma deputies who gave this instrument to the government too big rights to prohibit everything and everything.
    Let's not forget all these outrages began with the filing of our elected deputies who passed laws restricting our citizens access to world information ... I have a very big tooth on edrosov, communists and LDPR who voted for the adoption of these laws ... I have long noticed how consistently our people are entangled in forbidden networks ... our state is slowly turning into a police state ... where the rights of an individual citizen for the state will not matter.
    1. Octopus
      Octopus 30 March 2020 08: 53 New
      12
      Quote: The same Lech
      our state is slowly turning into a police state ... where the rights of an individual citizen for the state will not matter.

      Oh my God. Today, I see, many have a day of discovery.

      Let me remind you that the current attack on the Internet began with the full support of most people with good faces. Because holy people, in particular Ms. Mizulina, forbade only bad people, pedophiles and terrorists. It all seemed fashionable and modern, quite in a foreign way.

      Then Kasparov got into pedophiles and terrorists. Then Prosvirnin.

      Then off and on.

      By the way, if anyone is interested. To pedophiles - hereby - to put a pedophile bolt on Roskomnadzor. Their forums in Tor are shut down by the FBI from time to time. Nobody else.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 30 March 2020 09: 25 New
        +8
        Oh my God. Today, I see, many have a day of discovery.

        What the hell is discovery day ... it started much earlier ...
        And you mentioned Kasparov in vain ... this beetle at one time called for bombing our people with beautiful and democratic US bombs ... it differs little in radicalism from the same Volodin ... only they are at different poles ... and so the essence of they have one ... all who do not fit into their concepts must obey them.
        1. Octopus
          Octopus 30 March 2020 10: 31 New
          +4
          Quote: The same Lech
          this beetle at one time called for bombing our people with beautiful and democratic US bombs

          Whoever called for anything. This is not forbidden to Kasparov to call, especially to call U.S. Government, and you were forbidden to read the bad.

          By the way, you confuse Kasparov with Solzhenitsyn, it seems.
  • Octopus
    Octopus 30 March 2020 08: 00 New
    18
    Mr. Skomorokhov woke up in a beautiful new world.

    When Vladimir Vladimirovich speaks of love for the Motherland, he does not mean at all that whoever wants and how he wants to love the Motherland. Love people will be good people for a good price. Like Ms. Simonyan, not to go far.

    And the proponents are not needed.

    If essentially - in the wolf world of capital there are different approaches. In particular, everything created by the state is in the public domain. Not so in Russia, in Russia every state cricket knows his state sixth. Knows and takes money from anyone who passes by.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 30 March 2020 08: 13 New
      +9
      Quote: Octopus
      Mr. Skomorokhov woke up in a beautiful new world.

      “O Brave New World,” Aldous Huxley wrote in 1932. The Consumer Society is in full glory.
    2. Banshee
      30 March 2020 08: 15 New
      18
      Quote: Octopus
      Mr. Skomorokhov woke up in a beautiful new world.


      Oh yeah. It was necessary to put quotes in the word "beautiful". And so everything is right, we will all be taught to love the Motherland. For money.
      1. Octopus
        Octopus 30 March 2020 08: 38 New
        +8
        The best people of the country have long realized that the theme of love for the motherland, even on the example of the Second World War, is dangerously close to the theme of the Reich Commissariat of Muscovy. So it’s better not to. Right people will love everything correctly and accurately.
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  • siberalt
    siberalt 30 March 2020 08: 08 New
    20
    Chubaisyat has already privatized our history, that's right. But in comparison with the Yeltsin Center, these are flowers. That's where the story is redrawn in a new way! And Mikhalkov’s all-round dabber of the whole nation as a percentage of the nose for the purchase of a film, disk, flash drive and all that, on which you can record sound and video? What cynicism! Suspect a priori absolutely everyone about it, and suddenly they will write something “copyrighted” on them and will listen for free, robbing the authors! An urgent need is a law on the nationalization of the public domain, at least with regard to bourgeois copyrights. Namely: all rights to copyright works that were not licensed until the time of the counter-revolution, that is, until the termination of the USSR, and be guided by the legislation on the origin and acquisition of copyrights provided in the same place in the USSR. Here, the Law must necessarily have retroactive effect.
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 30 March 2020 08: 45 New
      25
      And Mikhalkov’s all-round dabber of the whole nation as a percentage of the nose for the purchase of a film, disk, flash drive and all that, on which you can record sound and video?

      ABOUT! How I like Mikhalkov with his “Besogon” when he is sitting on his estate, sitting in a custom-made armchair, obviously made to order, at a handmade table made of fine wood, surrounded by expensive antiques, in a heartfelt voice talking about “scrapes”. about the “Russians who lost”, that “the people are generally stupid” and “to be happy, this people must also remain stupid, and they must blindly obey smart people who think and solve everything for the people,” and “the people should poking around in the ground, working hard at the mines of a great raw-material power, and not buzzing, and in the Kremlin, just the gentlemen chosen by God are sitting, those who think for the people, if there is such a need, it’s a tradition to say that in Russia it’s like to slave, work on the owner without raising his eyes for a bowl of pottage and for patting the owner on the shoulder, they say "a good servant, faithful and hardworking" and enjoy it. And whoever disagrees with this is obsessed with Demons. " yes
      1. siberalt
        siberalt 30 March 2020 09: 28 New
        +8
        Well said! + 100500!
    2. your1970
      your1970 30 March 2020 08: 47 New
      +6
      Quote: siberalt
      acquisition of copyright provided in the same place in the USSR

      Hmm, it was copyright then, and then they paid for it. And just like that could not be reprinted, a link was required to the publication and the author.
      And the money was paid to writers and artists.
      In our recreation center there was a panel about the Revolution (a cart, etc.) - so his sketch was coordinated with the author and paid him money ...

      The people crowded into the Writers' Union not only for access to publishing houses, but also for copyright protection. Publishers paid for the reprint of the publishing house - and he allocated money to the authors

      The author raised a sore subject. I won’t be surprised if our "designers" - sculpting banners by May 9 with fascists / allies - are guided by this too. They don’t require money TE, and the budget is limited ..
      Sad everything ...
      It is possible that the United States is right by setting a short copyright term - either 20, or 25 years, and that's it. We obviously went too far
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 30 March 2020 09: 03 New
        +2
        Sometimes I read foreign military-technical and military-historical literature (English). So, at the very beginning of such books, in the foreword, the author always inserts the following phrase: "Photos, illustrations, graphic material used in this publication are published with kind permission (consent ) Mr. (Mrs.) "such-and-such" ("such-and-such") or ".......... with the permission (consent) of the publisher of" such-and-such ".
      2. siberalt
        siberalt 30 March 2020 09: 26 New
        +5
        In the USSR, copyright was really personal and non-proprietary and was not transferred to anyone or sold. There was a term for copyright. A license cost 20 thousand Soviet rubles, if you have time to redeem it within 5 years. And then I'm sorry, the law became state, and if bought, it was limited to a term.
      3. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 30 March 2020 09: 53 New
        +4
        Quote: your1970
        designers "- sculpting banners by May 9 with fascists / allies

        By February 23, my daughter’s kindergarten posted a small poster with congratulations and an invitation to a thematic exhibition. The poster shows La-5, the German Tiger, and the American Huey laughing In this regard, the program of Andrei Karaulov was recalled
        1. Caretaker
          Caretaker 30 March 2020 10: 12 New
          0
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          By February 23, my daughter’s kindergarten posted a small poster with congratulations and an invitation to a thematic exhibition. The poster shows La-5, the German Tiger, and the American Huey

          How old is the daughter? What actions have followed on your part?
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 30 March 2020 12: 25 New
            +2
            He drew the attention of the teacher to the absurdity of the poster.
            1. Caretaker
              Caretaker 30 March 2020 19: 56 New
              +1
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              He drew the attention of the teacher to the absurdity of the poster.

              Few, it is necessary to identify who bought the "poster" and conduct outreach. Harness yourself.
              Most kindergartens and schools have VKontakte groups, for example, but are more effective personally.
    3. Altona
      Altona 30 March 2020 15: 59 New
      +2
      Quote: siberalt
      Suspect a priori absolutely everyone about it, and suddenly they will write something “copyrighted” on them and will listen for free, robbing the authors!

      --------------------
      By the way, the 50-year limit on which authorship is valid? In general, Roman Carmen and his acquaintances were successfully privatized.
      1. elenagromova
        elenagromova 30 March 2020 18: 37 New
        +1
        It seems that the limit is 70 years, and now 75 years have passed
  • Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 March 2020 08: 20 New
    14
    Wow. There are simply no censored words for all this. For the umpteenth time I am convinced that honor and conscience are not about information from our officials.
    They themselves can’t do anything sensible, and they don’t give others
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 30 March 2020 08: 36 New
      13
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      They themselves can’t do anything sensible, and they don’t give others

      and that’s why they don’t give it because they’re afraid that others will do just that!
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 30 March 2020 09: 54 New
        +5
        Quote: Egoza
        what others just sensible and do!

        And against this background, they will begin to look like who they really are.
    2. Octopus
      Octopus 30 March 2020 08: 41 New
      +9
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      For the umpteenth time I am convinced that honor and conscience are not about information from our officials.
      They themselves can’t do anything sensible, and they don’t give others

      You are absolutely right, but this is completely off topic.

      Regarding copyright in Soviet-era photographs, the question is for the legislator and only him. Comrade Zyuganov, incidentally, is a unique case, would be appropriate with his ideas of national ownership.
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 March 2020 08: 51 New
        17
        The fact is that the level of those who write the legislative base has fallen significantly in comparison with what was in the USSR. Therefore, in fact, we have a bunch of conflicting laws, and even one law often contradicts itself in different paragraphs.
        So it all depends on people - there is enough mind and conscience not to apply the provision of the law, or not. In this case, it was not enough.
        And so - yes. It was high time it was time to count Soviet photos, movies, songs, literature, and so on. National treasure, free access to which any citizen should have. It is clear that if the creator is alive, then the copyright belongs to him ...
        Can try to dash a petition?
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        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 30 March 2020 09: 14 New
          24
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          It is clear that if the creator is alive, then the copyright belongs to him ...
          Can try to dash a petition?

          Mosfilm against. How Vitsin died in poverty, they did not remember him, but they cut money in films with his participation.
        3. depressant
          depressant 30 March 2020 12: 58 New
          +3
          And I have an idea!
          It is unlikely that property will be stolen if you make the ship’s drawing in watercolor - from a photograph, drawing sailors, gulls, clouds, waves to distinguish, give a beautiful play of light and shadow and put the signature of the artist. Then take a picture and post in the article.
          How do you like it, Roman? Surely there are volunteers on the site. If I were not half-blind, I would take it))))
          1. Altona
            Altona 30 March 2020 16: 02 New
            +3
            Quote: depressant
            It is unlikely that property will be stolen if you make the ship’s drawing in watercolor

            ---------------------------
            With tongue removed. By the way, in the magazines “Modelist-Constructor” and “Behind the wheel” of the Soviet era, the items described were painted with paints-ships, planes, cars. Apparently just for such reasons. Our predecessors were not stupid people, but were very wise and far-sighted.
        4. Yura
          Yura 30 March 2020 13: 53 New
          +3
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          Can try to dash a petition?

          I will subscribe immediately, write it. hi
  • parusnik
    parusnik 30 March 2020 08: 29 New
    14
    And what, we have a market. All is fair.
    Fairly, as DAM said, everything should be profitable: medicine, education and patriotism ... If you want to be a patriot, pay and you will become a patriot. Do not want, do not pay. The state will not punish you for this. laughing And here the words of our helmsman are recalled: Our ideology is patriotism. Money. "Make money, make money. And the rest is rubbish. Come on, go black-headed!" (C) mf Treasure Island .. laughing
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 30 March 2020 09: 11 New
      +6
      Quote: parusnik
      pay and become a patriot

      Nevermind them big and puffy. Interrupt.
  • Vladimir Glinsky
    Vladimir Glinsky 30 March 2020 08: 49 New
    11
    As I understand you. Themselves in the same situation. We try to collect information on our site finam.info that tells about those who strengthened and are strengthening the defense capabilities of our country. About our hard but glorious past. And we are also constantly confronted with this attitude by copyright holders. Although authorship is always indicated, and direct links are given to sources.
  • Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 30 March 2020 09: 02 New
    14
    The article plus, to the author my respect, is a very unexpected aspect for me personally.
  • Amateur
    Amateur 30 March 2020 09: 03 New
    +5
    And is this "Claim" on the form or not? There is no blue print either. The amount is then 20000, then 10000 rubles. The rules for processing financial claim documents are clearly violated.
    I would recommend sending this piece of paper to the prosecutor's office with a request to check for authenticity.
    1. Smirnov Vadim
      Smirnov Vadim 30 March 2020 09: 09 New
      +4
      The paper is genuine. There is a power of attorney with a seal.
      1. Amateur
        Amateur 30 March 2020 09: 27 New
        12
        Dear Mr. Smirnov! Judging by indirect signs (for example, Ref. No.) in decent organizations is formed in a different way. The wording "Pay ..." is usually written like this: "We offer you to voluntarily list .. on the account number ..., otherwise we will be forced to appeal to the arbitration court ...".
        Phrase: "we will take measures to restrict access to the site ..." blackmail. ITAR-TASS does not have such rights. They can go to court.
        And the last one. The financial claim has a separate number that does not match the original. No. It seems to me that ITAR-TASS should have lawyers of a higher level than the author of the letter.
        1. Caretaker
          Caretaker 30 March 2020 10: 31 New
          +1
          Quote: Amateur
          It seems to me that ITAR-TASS should have lawyers of a higher level than the author of the letter.

          This is not an ITAR-TASS employee, but a representative with vague authority who requires contacting ITAR-TASS.
        2. Smirnov Vadim
          Smirnov Vadim 30 March 2020 10: 41 New
          +2
          The letter is genuine, as is the power of attorney. This is not a fake.
        3. Caretaker
          Caretaker 30 March 2020 10: 53 New
          +1
          Quote: Amateur
          We offer you to voluntarily list .. on the account. No ..., otherwise we will be forced to appeal to the arbitration court ...

          True, it is not indicated to whom to list "compensation" and what consequences it will entail.
      2. Caretaker
        Caretaker 30 March 2020 10: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: Vadim Smirnov
        There is a power of attorney with a seal.

        Power of attorney for what actions?
        1. Smirnov Vadim
          Smirnov Vadim 30 March 2020 10: 32 New
          +2
          Represent interests in court, in executive bodies ...
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  • Old partisan
    Old partisan 30 March 2020 09: 08 New
    +7
    Effective managers in action. If you can cut the dough then Goebbels is good with his team
  • Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 30 March 2020 09: 13 New
    16
    "Obvious-unbelievable"!
    The Soviet heritage of the people is privatized by individuals who often hate the Soviet Union. To steal from the people, so to steal! According to law!
    But, after all, this is not only a photo.
  • Caretaker
    Caretaker 30 March 2020 10: 02 New
    +2
    I agree, it’s not very good when the author and source of the photograph are not indicated. Indeed, both incorrectly and illegally. And in a good way you need to delete the photo.

    Perhaps the claims should be divided into "ethical" and "commercial."
    Indication of the author and source (link) is highly desirable for several reasons.
    Firstly, showing respect for the author and the resource, as is customary in RuNet. I also do not understand why in some articles there is not even a comment under the photographs, it is not clear what is depicted there.
    Secondly, the ability to follow the link, for a more detailed familiarization with the topic.
    Thirdly, the absence of a reference to a source precludes the transfer of responsibility to this source, i.e. VO becomes "extreme".

    Many articles on the Patriotic War, while the use of materials from articles on other resources is governed by the "Rules for the use and copying of information" https://topwar.ru/copying.html
    2.2. Site users are entitled to use materials posted on this site only for non-commercial purposes. In this case, it is obligatory to preserve all copyrights, as well as to install an active hyperlink to the original (topwar.ru). It is forbidden to use any materials and any information of the site for commercial purposes, if these actions do not have the written consent of the site's author Copying of information for other purposes, as well as non-observance of the specified conditions will be interpreted as assignment of copyright to textual and other copied information.

    On some points, the rules are more stringent than on other resources.
    I suppose that TASS made claims to VO due to the lack of links. If there is one, most likely no showdowns, and especially payment requirements, will not follow. It is advisable to thank at the end of the article for the materials provided.
    In the case of commercial placement, claims are possible.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 30 March 2020 10: 09 New
    +7
    Well what can I say, that's right. That is why I despise local patriots, their patriotism is somehow circumcised.
  • tatra
    tatra 30 March 2020 10: 14 New
    12
    As it proudly sounded under the USSR, "TASS is authorized to declare," and to what has slipped now.
    1. DEDPIHTO
      DEDPIHTO 30 March 2020 10: 33 New
      +8
      Now read, so to speak, in the spirit of the Berendey kingdom - ,, TASS is authorized to rob, Hucksters, with ... pah!
  • barium
    barium 30 March 2020 10: 34 New
    +6
    in my youth, meeting girls, my friend said - for money, this is prostitution, without money, this is love! that’s tass for the money !!!!!!!!!
  • Operator
    Operator 30 March 2020 11: 50 New
    +9
    I suggest that VO take all the pictures of ITAR-TASS property from the texts of articles on the portal, instead of them, blank spaces with the inscription "Photo (object name) of ITAR-TASS property worth 10000 rubles."

    Moreover, leave photos from other sources.
  • ML-334
    ML-334 30 March 2020 12: 13 New
    -10
    In my opinion, the issue price is 20 thousand rubles and how much stink. Screwed up - pay, weaved patriotism, the Constitution. Why put your dirty laundry on display. Tomorrow the wife will change and that the whole forum is pouring dirt on her?
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    2. Smirnov Vadim
      Smirnov Vadim 30 March 2020 14: 45 New
      12
      And where does the money come from? And you do not worry that everything has been privatized, even the photo of the Second World War?
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      2. Octopus
        Octopus April 1 2020 08: 29 New
        -1
        Do not understand. What do you mean privatized? Your employee correctly writes that TASS is a federal state unitary enterprise, the founder is the Government of the Russian Federation. Does the native state want money from you, what do you dislike?

        Another thing is that lawyers need to look here. It is believed that TASS does not just want money, but has stolen the public domain and is trying to sell stolen goods. Copyright for the photo of the 45th year in 2020 may apply in the case of Chaldea and his heirs (75 years from the year of his death, and he died in 97th), but not for a legal person. A legal entity does not inherit an individual.
  • Loess
    Loess 30 March 2020 12: 46 New
    -11
    You don’t have to go far for examples, at least once a month various individuals sue us trying to earn money by allegedly “violating their copyrights”.
    I would share the indignation of the author, if not ... In the work using someone else's photo, the resource makes money. If the article using the photo would not be hung with advertising, then I would agree with the author. And if someone uses someone else's content to earn money, then he must be ready to pay for it.
    So the question is: if the state claims that we need to preserve memory, work with young people and all that, then we need to act differently. At least in relation to those who are really trying to work in this direction.
    Keeping a memory and making money on it are two different things.
    A little expensive now patriotism comes out
    Long time did not meet patriotism in VO. Although maybe there is some kind of special patriotism?
    1. Leshy1975
      Leshy1975 30 March 2020 13: 08 New
      +9
      Quote: Less
      You don’t have to go far for examples, at least once a month various individuals sue us trying to earn money by allegedly “violating their copyrights”.
      I would share the indignation of the author, if not ... In the work using someone else's photo, the resource makes money. If the article using the photo would not be hung with advertising, then I would agree with the author. And if someone uses someone else's content to earn money, then he must be ready to pay for it.
      So the question is: if the state claims that we need to preserve memory, work with young people and all that, then we need to act differently. At least in relation to those who are really trying to work in this direction.
      Keeping a memory and making money on it are two different things.
      A little expensive now patriotism comes out
      Long time did not meet patriotism in VO. Although maybe there is some kind of special patriotism?

      Oh how? But for example, the struggle with the monuments to the Italian invaders in Rossosh and the neglect of their own, this does not mean a manifestation of patriotism? Or was it not IN? Or was it too much
      Long time no met patriotism in VO
      ?
      Oh yes, for sure! This is not the right patriotism, the right one should be led by the sun himself, this is a prerequisite! The right patriot moves exclusively within the framework of the course set by the leadership. And the leadership, as you know, did not say anything against the appearance of such monuments. And indeed, it was under the current regime that they began to appear (some even have road signs).

      PS I also think that probably many supporters of the government, indeed
      any special patriotism?
      1. Loess
        Loess 30 March 2020 13: 43 New
        -7
        Quote: Leshy1975
        Oh how? And for example, the struggle with the monuments to the Italian invaders in Rossosh

        Is this the only example of manifestation of patriotism on the part of HE? I remember Tereshkova was mixed with mud for one single phrase, despite all its merits.
        Quote: Leshy1975
        the right one should be led by the sun himself

        Twenty five again. Do you have a photo of "sun-kissed" glued to the monitor so as not to forget to mention it in every comment?
        1. Leshy1975
          Leshy1975 30 March 2020 14: 45 New
          10
          Quote: Less
          Quote: Leshy1975
          Oh how? And for example, the struggle with the monuments to the Italian invaders in Rossosh

          Is this the only example of manifestation of patriotism on the part of HE? I remember Tereshkova was mixed with mud for one single phrase, despite all its merits.
          Quote: Leshy1975
          the right one should be led by the sun himself

          Twenty five again. Do you have a photo of "sun-kissed" glued to the monitor so as not to forget to mention it in every comment?

          Those. now Tereshkova has become the measure of patriotism? Tereshkova not deservedly offended? Yes, she herself, sequentially, punched bottom after bottom. She has the only merit that she became the first female astronaut. But read the memories of her, who knew her before, not very well many speak well of her, and this is to say the least. Weather vane, that during the heyday of the USSR, that already at the time of perestroika. Always in power, always with the line hesitates. Well, since she became a faithful member of United Russia and again voted everywhere with the party line, she herself nullified the merits, if any remained.
          1. Loess
            Loess 30 March 2020 14: 56 New
            -5
            Quote: Leshy1975
            Those. now Tereshkova has become the measure of patriotism?

            Not a measure of patriotism, but an indicator of sanity among commentators.
            Judging because you clung to Tereshkova, do you have other examples of "patriotism of VO"?
            1. Leshy1975
              Leshy1975 30 March 2020 15: 09 New
              +5
              Quote: Less
              Quote: Leshy1975
              Those. now Tereshkova has become the measure of patriotism?

              Not a measure of patriotism, but an indicator of sanity among commentators.
              Judging because you clung to Tereshkova, do you have other examples of "patriotism of VO"?

              I grabbed ?! Excuse me, but it’s you who gave an example with the “patriot” Tereshkova, I didn’t remember about her. In response, I just reminded you that Tereshkova has always been a real patriot - a patriot of power.
      2. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 30 March 2020 14: 45 New
        -7
        And what should patriotism be necessarily soviet-communist? Do you not recognize other forms of patriotism? And whether they are these forms: he is either patriotism or it is not. The same Denikin was a much greater patriot than the communist gene. Vlasov.
        1. Leshy1975
          Leshy1975 30 March 2020 14: 56 New
          +5
          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          And what should patriotism be necessarily soviet-communist? Do you not recognize other forms of patriotism? And whether they are these forms: he is either patriotism or it is not. The same Denikin was a much greater patriot than the communist gene. Vlasov.

          And where do I say that? What must be
          necessarily soviet-communist
          .
          Patriotism is a moral and political principle, a social feeling, the content of which is the love of the Motherland and willingness to sacrifice your interests for her. Patriotism implies pride in the achievements and culture of one’s homeland, a desire to preserve its character and cultural characteristics and identification of oneself (a special emotional experience of one’s belonging to the country and one’s citizenship, language, traditions) with other members of one’s people, desire to protect the interests of the homeland and its people, love for their homeland, country, people, attachment to their birthplace, place of residence.

          What is not clear here? Where is this power and where are the interests of the people. The patriots, too, will sacrifice their interests for the sake of the motherland. On the contrary, the latter will be removed from the people and the latter, leaving their homeland, taken out.
  • Karabin
    Karabin 30 March 2020 13: 14 New
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    At least until the government gets to these,

    Will not reach. They say that in our state there is no ideology, and even it is forbidden by costumes. In fact, there is ideology. It was long ago voiced by one well-known official of one well-known city hall: "Grandmas must be done! Grandmas must be done! Grandmas must be done!" So they do, no matter what. The Great Victory and Memory became the same commodity as oil, gas, dishes or plumbing. With marketing, advertising and other tools.
  • faterdom
    faterdom 30 March 2020 14: 31 New
    +5
    We wish them to hang themselves (by the neck) - we undertake to put money under their feet, in the amount of 30 (thirty) pieces. And what - the standard price is already two thousand years old. One guy received so much, and did exactly the same.
  • elenagromova
    elenagromova 30 March 2020 18: 31 New
    +5
    To insanity has come.
    This photograph is on a variety of resources, and before that - in almost all Soviet newspapers.
    Chaldean did it at the risk of his life, and these ... have nothing to do with her.
  • flicker
    flicker 30 March 2020 20: 18 New
    0
    And, as I understand it, further (since everything is spelled out already in the Constitution), we will carefully preserve all this, protect it, and not let it
    "If everything is spelled out," there will be good reason to sue and win it. A trifle? Not really.
    And this will give reason to correctly teach the "teenage generation, our grandchildren." So that no one says, but I, they say, otherwise I see and understand history, but how I see and teach. A trifle?
  • Comrade
    Comrade 31 March 2020 01: 26 New
    +1
    Where, in what country of the world can you still find this?
    I don’t know another such country!
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  • TANKISTONE
    TANKISTONE 31 March 2020 15: 07 New
    +2
    Yes, Roman, it’s bitter and insulting to look at how capitalism is cracking down on our past ...
    Link to the topic: https://sheba.spb.ru/shkola/[i] [/ i] open on the page this: Stalin and Soviet textbooks - download, read