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Full self-isolation regime introduced in Moscow

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Full self-isolation regime introduced in Moscow

In Moscow, a full regime of home self-isolation is being introduced. From March 30, 2020, the regime is introduced for absolutely all residents of the city, regardless of age. This was reported on the website of the mayor of the capital, Sergei Sobyanin.


Starting tomorrow, the home mode of self-isolation is introduced for all residents of Moscow, regardless of age

- said in a statement.

It is clarified that this regime does not apply to Russian citizens coming to or leaving the capital. In addition, it is allowed to leave the apartment in cases of applying for emergency medical care, travel to work, if necessary, to make purchases in the nearest store or pharmacy, the need to take out household garbage. Dog walking is also allowed, but no further than 100 meters from the place of residence (stay). Previously, a self-isolation regime was introduced for older people.

In the coming days - after carrying out technical and organizational measures - it will be possible to leave if there is a special pass issued in the manner established by the Moscow government

- said the mayor of Moscow, adding that the authorities will "gradually but steadily" tighten control over compliance with the home regime.

Earlier it was reported that despite calls for Muscovites at home in connection with the spread of coronavirus, many thousands of residents of the capital had picnics in the city parks for the weekend and went out of town to rest.

Recall that the largest number of infected with coronavirus was recorded in Moscow.
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    1. Pytnik
      Pytnik 29 March 2020 20: 34 New
      12
      Already in the Moscow region too. Moscow suburbs together with Moscow will introduce a universal isolation regime. This is reported by the operational headquarters for monitoring and monitoring the situation with coronavirus in the region, reports TASS.
      1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 29 March 2020 20: 47 New
        103
        "Better insulation than grounding," as electricians say.
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        2. Kasym
          Kasym 29 March 2020 22: 23 New
          16
          A bit of humor.
          I don’t know how true (friends told), but in Alma-Ata one bike walks.
          In one of the houses where the patient was discovered, full isolation was introduced. The police unhooked the house (apartment building): they did not let anyone in or out. So. In one family that lives there, the wife went on a business trip; and the man decided to call a mistress (or a woman of easy virtue). Well, when the girl wanted to leave the apartment, the police already unhooked everything and forbade her to leave. Let’s persuade the man, but they don’t. He explains to them that the wife should return, and those to no one. In the end, the neighbors got to know everything and, realizing what situation the neighbor got into, got involved in persuading. And the police diligently carried out the order.
          All day the whole house asked to let the girl go so that the man wouldn’t get. hi
          1. Andrei Nikolaevich
            Andrei Nikolaevich 29 March 2020 22: 51 New
            +8
            Well done, neighbors)) And the police ,,, to death, stood like Panfilov’s.
          2. dauria
            dauria 29 March 2020 23: 39 New
            15
            All day the whole house asked to let the girl go so that the man wouldn’t get.


            Laughter laughter, and after all, someone simply will not have grub and money for it. What should they do? Insulators, damn it. Yes, and something does not smell of "the unity of the people". Instead of "Wuhan, hold on, the Chinese people are with you," we have - "Muscovites are bastards, they have spread the infection" what
            1. Slavs
              Slavs 29 March 2020 23: 57 New
              35
              Quote: dauria
              "Wuhan, hold on, the Chinese people are with you" with us - "Muscovites are bastards, they have spread the infection"

              So they sat in Wuhan and did not rock the boat, and Muscovites went to Sochi, but for picnics. Have you heard of discipline? Muscovites ...
              1. ROSS_51
                ROSS_51 30 March 2020 00: 51 New
                -3
                Quote: Slavs

                So they sat in Wuhan and did not rock the boat, and Muscovites went to Sochi, but for picnics. Have you heard of discipline? Muscovites ...

                Wuhan was completely closed with five hundred sick. Moscow was not closed, and this is not possible.
              2. lis-ik
                lis-ik 30 March 2020 05: 37 New
                +4
                Quote: Slavs
                Quote: dauria
                "Wuhan, hold on, the Chinese people are with you" with us - "Muscovites are bastards, they have spread the infection"

                So they sat in Wuhan and did not rock the boat, and Muscovites went to Sochi, but for picnics. Have you heard of discipline? Muscovites ...

                You look at the statistics on mortality, on other infectious diseases, this virus is in second place from the end. Normally, panic is whipped up, so that they would then say, "Thank God that we survived," and no one cares what the authorities do to the country.
                1. CSKA
                  CSKA 30 March 2020 10: 15 New
                  +4
                  Quote: lis-ik
                  Normally, panic is whipped up, so what would they say later, "Thank God we survived"

                  Quarantine is declared all over the world because everyone is probably brainless, and you are a wise guy, you know better, you are probably a virologist of international scale.
                  Quote: lis-ik
                  and all will spit that creates power with the country.

                  And what is she doing interesting?
              3. komynist
                komynist 30 March 2020 07: 00 New
                +2
                The first to infect Sakhalin were three from a Moscow flight. As they were examined at the airport in Moscow, draw conclusions.
                1. krot
                  krot 30 March 2020 07: 34 New
                  +3
                  You look at the statistics on mortality, on other infectious diseases, this virus is in second place from the end. Normally, panic is whipped up, so that they would then say, "Thank God that we survived," and no one cares what the authorities do to the country.

                  Trump recalled that, according to some forecasts, the number of deaths in the United States could reach 2,2 million. "If we manage to reduce this number to 100-200 thousand people, this means that we did a good job," RIA Novosti quotes Trump as saying

                  I understand that Trump is usually out of his mind, but he has a lot of advisers who understand much what you are talking about.
                  And people like you are called saboteurs, who need to be protected from society.
            2. Slavs
              Slavs 29 March 2020 23: 59 New
              0
              Quote: dauria
              Yes, and something does not smell of "the unity of the people"

              As disaster came, did you want unity with the people? So Muscovites pay benefits, do not worry.
              1. dauria
                dauria 30 March 2020 00: 06 New
                38
                So Muscovites pay benefits, do not worry.

                I'm actually from the Volga. And there are no special reasons for Muscovites to "love". Why, there is not only a well-fed mongrel. and there are normal people. Old women. just sick. but you never know .... It's a shame. girls. The trouble is common. And then in a month you will go to your neighbor in the village in Mordovia with a pitchfork.
                1. Slavs
                  Slavs 30 March 2020 00: 15 New
                  -1
                  Quote: dauria
                  And there are no special reasons for Muscovites to "love"

                  Similarly. My father in Moscow, 62 years old, works as a shift. For a penny.

                  Quote: dauria
                  Common trouble

                  The trouble is common. And before trouble, the tobacco was in the rose.
                  1. shark
                    shark 30 March 2020 12: 29 New
                    +5
                    It just so happened that I am a Muscovite. From the indigenous. I read and get sick of your comments. Benefits do not give you peace or tobacco in the rose? And the fact that you can’t stretch out in Moscow for allowance 12000 and you know weeks? And the fact that Muscovites pay 12 hours a day for their tobacco with one day off and two weeks off per year — how is that? Doesn't cause irritation? The fact that I have a payment for housing without light - 9000? What is it like? You are all poor, all Muscovites have been taken from you. Of course. I can’t sleep at night, I think no matter what small city of Russia it’s robbing.
                    There are "elites" in Moscow with millions. But you have exactly the same "elites". And in the same way it is 1-3 percent of the city's population. And the attitude towards them is exactly the same as yours. So stop believing in fairy tales and sowing discord and hatred. I basically said everything.
                    1. vindigo
                      vindigo 30 March 2020 13: 59 New
                      10
                      I do not understand these groans. Move to the province. We work the same way, but for less money.
                      1. Freeman
                        Freeman 30 March 2020 15: 05 New
                        0
                        Quote: vindigo
                        I do not understand these groans. Move to the province. We work the same way, but for less money.

                        Here I am, born and raised in Moscow.
                        Moscow for me, this is, above all, My Little Homeland. And only then - the capital.
                        So why the hell, I have to go somewhere?
                        And won't you be the first to start whining - "the Muscovites came in large numbers and took all the best jobs"?
                        I know about unfair, lower wages for the same work in "masque" and "provinces".
                        But where are your unions ?! AU !!! No ?! Well, don’t whine.
                        "Muscovites" will not come either, and they will not give a "sugar bone".
                      2. Slavs
                        Slavs 31 March 2020 00: 27 New
                        +2
                        You Muscovites are whiners who consider themselves special. Your comments confirm this. Too pampered with European values. Your patriotism to the first trouble. As in the rest, and the vast majority of people with incomes above the average in the regions ...
                      3. Freeman
                        Freeman 31 March 2020 02: 49 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Slavs
                        You Muscovites are whiners who consider themselves special. Your comments confirm this. Too pampered with European values. Your patriotism to the first trouble. As in the rest, and the vast majority of people with incomes above the average in the regions ...


                        The fact that my poverty, against the background of your poverty, seems abundance is not my fault, but our common misfortune.
                        Capitalism

                        Shl. Be so kind as to "poke my face" into my comments, where I consider myself "special."
                        - If you mean those where I talk about my love for the city in which I was born and raised.
                        - Or those where I speak about the dislike for the "nouveau riches" who robbed their fellow countrymen and moved to Moscow, and now the former countrymen who are siping through their lips - "But here, in Moscow."
                        - Yes, I am "special."
                        ZY.ZY And yes, I am "pampered by European values" - the presence of gas, electricity, running water with hot water, central heating and sewerage. Moscow is a normal European city.

                        I wish all the cities of Russia to live no worse than Moscow. hi
                      4. Slavs
                        Slavs 31 March 2020 11: 08 New
                        +4
                        Our conversation lasted for several days .. I publicly apologize to you for the harshness, for the tub of foul-smelling liquid poured into your address. It boils, you know, over the years ... If a person loves his house, his street, his city - that's good. I see that you yourself understand very well why such an attitude towards the capital. But it’s not the right time now to throw dirt. Succumbed to emotions.

                        Quote: Freeman
                        I wish all the cities of Russia to live no worse than Moscow

                        Thank you.
                      5. Freeman
                        Freeman 31 March 2020 14: 10 New
                        +3
                        Slavs (Seryoga) Today, 11:08
                        I publicly apologize to you


                        Apologies are accepted.

                        I see you yourself understand very well why such an attitude towards the capital


                        I understand perfectly well and try to explain to others as much as possible that Moscow, like other megacities, has suffered the fate of "creamy".
                        Moreover, "Creamy" is not a place where cream is made - but a place where "crap" is poured.
            3. Slavs
              Slavs 30 March 2020 14: 52 New
              +5
              Quote: shark
              And the fact that Muscovites pay 12 hours a day for their tobacco with one day off and two weeks off per year is like

              And the whole Zamkadye lives and works like this from year to year for 20. We sleep and see, as it were, Muscovites grab a piece of wealth. And with rented housing, the payment climbs far beyond your communal flat. No offense.

              Quote: shark
              So stop believing in fairy tales

              Duck tea is not the 19th century ... All kinds of communications .. Colleagues, classmates who got into the golden-headed quickly assimilated and showed how beneficial the difficult Moscow life is to the person.
              I have known Moscow and Muscovites since 1988. Relatives live there. The truth has not been seen for a long time)))

              Quote: shark
              sow discord and hatred

              It was necessary to think about this much earlier, namely Moscow. Hi Phuket.

              Quote: shark
              I basically said everything.

              So do I.
              PS
              Yes Yes. Of course, banal envy speaks in me, I didn’t fit into the market after the 91st, nor fit into rubber Moscow ...
              He admired the mountain scenery.
              1. balunn
                balunn 31 March 2020 09: 21 New
                +3
                Blame is not Muscovites, but those who allowed the stratification of society, and support another nullification.
                I was born in Moscow, but I live on the Volga in 450 km
        3. Gaersul
          Gaersul 30 March 2020 06: 44 New
          +5
          Quote: dauria
          But there is not only a well-fed yard. and there are normal people.

          Thank you.
        4. vladimirvn
          vladimirvn 30 March 2020 07: 19 New
          +2
          A Ukrainian woman who infected her neighbors with CJVID-19 turned to her fellow villagers. The woman asks her fellow villagers not to make reprisals against her family. "Kill, shoot, do what you want to me, just leave my children," she cries.
          Elizaveta, a resident of the village of Kolenkivtsi in the Chernivtsi region, turned to fellow villagers with a tearful plea: not to kill her children and grandchildren. The reason for such fears was the information that reached the woman: the villagers really want to arrange reprisals against her and her children. They also promise to burn the house.
          In a video message posted on the NEWS UA Youtube channel, a woman cries and apologizes to fellow countrymen. Elizabeth, who returned from work in Italy, obviously did not observe a two-week regime of self-isolation. In two weeks, the woman managed to infect all relatives, dozens of villagers, as well as two residents of a neighboring village. The latter rode with her in the same bus to Chernivtsi, where they participated in a rally. Today, all infected by a woman are in a hospital with varying degrees of severity COVID-19.
          According to Elizabeth, she herself and the children were cured of the disease. She cries and says that her whole family cannot leave the house, because they know about the intention of the villagers to deal with them.
          "Kill, shoot, do with me what you want, just leave my children," she asked, and added that no mother, no grandmother would intentionally bring such an infection to her relatives.
          “And you didn't want to, forgive me,” she asks.
          It is noted that after the woman’s appeal, part of the villagers softened, but it is not known whether everyone got rid of the desire for reprisal against her family.
          https://tsargrad.tv/news/ubejte-rasstreljajtetolko-ostavte-moih-detej-zarazivshaja-sosedej-covid-19-ukrainka-obratilas-k-zemljakam_245138
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 30 March 2020 08: 52 New
            +6
            And that she did not know what was going on in Italy, did not know that she herself had to take at least some actions? And she, damn it, went to the rally. Stupid chicken.
      2. lis-ik
        lis-ik 30 March 2020 18: 18 New
        +2
        Quote: Slavs
        So Muscovites pay benefits do not worry

        Who! Tell me, because I’m sitting in my village and don’t know that I’m entitled to the allowance at the place of registration.
    2. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 30 March 2020 00: 03 New
      54
      Alexey, your comment is one of the few sober ones. The very phrase "home self-isolation regime" is from a legal point of view complete nonsense. Not a foot from the house, but the monetary obligations to pay for communal services, loans, for the same grub, finally, have not disappeared anywhere.
      There is an emergency mode, but then the state must assume the burden of maintaining a huge number of people. That is why this mode is not announced. Everything rests simply on money. Toad smothers more than the virus.
    3. 4ekist
      4ekist 30 March 2020 12: 41 New
      0
      Not reptiles, but boors who wanted to spit on others.
  2. tomket
    tomket 30 March 2020 02: 02 New
    +4
    Quote: Kasym
    didn’t let anyone in or out. So.

    But what did a man take a steam bath if they didn’t let anyone in?
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 30 March 2020 08: 54 New
      +7
      Well, I would have handed it over to bachelors, probably there are many of these in the stairwell.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 30 March 2020 10: 56 New
        0
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        there are probably a lot of such in the entrance.

        This is how to know. For example, in my staircase, besides me, as many as two men live. Both for fifty dollars. I am the youngest.
    2. Kasym
      Kasym 30 March 2020 20: 42 New
      0
      He was so afraid that the cordon would be removed, but the inhabitants would not be warned. And then the wife ... oil painting.
      Since the beginning of last week, what has been happening in Moscow now ... We have tightened it now. The traffic cops blocked the central avenues in the city - they interrogate everyone. Today, a friend called and asked me to his mother (lives in a neighboring house) to buy groceries and bring them there - he can’t get there - leave them near the door, call and make sure that he heard, leave. hi
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 30 March 2020 06: 23 New
    +1
    On March 21, here on VO there was news that Kiev was stopping transport for people to observe the self-isolation regime. We all went through the news! What they have not written! And that too much, and that this is a blow to the government's rating ... Well, about the most "sparkling" in general I will not say anything .... And what now, when they were introduced in Moscow and the Moscow region? We nod our heads together, they say is it necessary?
  • SSR
    SSR 30 March 2020 00: 31 New
    14
    Quote: Pytnik
    Already in the Moscow region too.

    Moscow rushed to the cottages in the near Moscow region. This is just the beginning. Many near-perceived it as a vacation and vacation.
    1. Stalllker
      Stalllker 30 March 2020 04: 47 New
      +4
      Well, what's wrong with the fact that the family decided to go to the cottage and breathe fresh air ??? They are at home in a narrow circle, at the cottage, in the car at home, what is the problem ?!
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 30 March 2020 08: 58 New
        -4
        Until they reach the car, they can meet sneezing citizens, you also need to communicate with strangers at the gas station, and the same thing in the store. Hands will touch the doors, handles and other things on which the virus lives. At a picnic, washing your hands with soap is not as convenient as at home.
        1. Stalllker
          Stalllker 30 March 2020 11: 20 New
          +3
          There is a virus in your head !!!! And I didn’t talk about the picnic, but about the cottage
      2. SSR
        SSR April 1 2020 11: 43 New
        -1
        Quote: Stalllker
        Well, what's wrong with the fact that the family decided to go to the cottage and breathe fresh air ???

        Comrade, you misunderstood me. Those who went to isolation to the country itself are one thing, but there are those who are not really far away and took it as a vacation. It’s like one madam, why should I isolate myself at home in Moscow, I’m flying in Sochi in the sun in Sochi.
        1. Stalllker
          Stalllker April 1 2020 15: 09 New
          0
          Even if taken as a vacation, the essence of the matter does not change! Do you need to repeat the question? And the question is not about Sochi, do not get cancer for a stone
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 30 March 2020 08: 05 New
      +8
      Quote: SSR
      Moscow rushed to the cottages in the near Moscow region.

      Well, in the country there is less chance of picking up a virus than in a densely populated city. There would be an opportunity, I would also go somewhere in the remote taiga.
    3. Essex62
      Essex62 April 1 2020 09: 36 New
      0
      And what's wrong with that? Self-insulated behind his fence while being paid. But soon it will be necessary, it seems, to break back to work. Bourgeois will not pay for long-term leave. The extreme s / n will end up eating will not be anything and no one has canceled the mandatory payments.
  • YOUR
    YOUR 30 March 2020 03: 36 New
    +1
    They transmit something, but if you have contacts with someone working in the wholesale and retail market "Gardener", call and ask why they work.
  • Paul Siebert
    Paul Siebert 30 March 2020 05: 28 New
    12
    Kiselyov showed in "News of the Week" violators of self-isolation in India.
    Thick-bellied mustachioed police quickly run along the deserted streets of Delhi and beat a few long drindy few do not care.
    They cry, scream, plaintively look at the authorities. And they do not show indulgence and force the negligent to squat and push up.
    Honestly, many members of our elite deserve to be driven by drunks across Tverskaya. Well, or around Old Square ... laughing
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 30 March 2020 08: 07 New
      +2
      "Elita" does not walk along Tverskaya.
      1. Paul Siebert
        Paul Siebert 30 March 2020 08: 19 New
        +1
        Quote: Piramidon
        "Elita" does not walk along Tverskaya.

        So - get her out of the "Aurus". And in the ass, in the ass ... laughing
  • Paul Siebert
    Paul Siebert 31 March 2020 07: 24 New
    +3
    Everyone laughed at poor girl Greta Tumberg.
    But she was right. See:

    Everyone laughed at the fact that Greta does not go to school. Now everyone does not go to school.

    Everyone laughed at the fact that Greta does not fly on airplanes. Now no one flies on airplanes.

    Everyone laughed at the fact that Greta was manipulated and used. Now everyone is being manipulated and everyone is being used.

    Everyone laughed at how Greta, not being a specialist, speaks on the topic of ecology. Now everyone, not being specialists, speaks out on the complex topic of the virus and its economic consequences.

    Everyone laughed at the expressiveness of Greta. Now everyone has become expressive.

    Everyone laughed at Greta's fears. Now everyone is obsessed with fears.

    Greta, forgive them, for they did not know what they were doing. laughing
  • den3080
    den3080 29 March 2020 20: 36 New
    -10
    The mayor of Moscow must be isolated. And then he goes everywhere, gives an interview without a mask and on the street, besides, the subway opens. Not an order.
    winked
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 29 March 2020 20: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: den3080
      The mayor of Moscow must be isolated. And then he goes everywhere, gives an interview without a mask and on the street, besides, the subway opens. Not an order.
      winked
      They gave him an injection, now his virus is afraid. request
    2. Nikolay Ivanov_5
      Nikolay Ivanov_5 29 March 2020 20: 39 New
      60
      The weak-minded cannot understand that self-isolation is necessary to stop the spread of the disease. There may come a time when the growth of the spread of the disease will leave most of the population without medical care.
      1. den3080
        den3080 29 March 2020 20: 47 New
        +5
        Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
        The weak-minded cannot understand that self-isolation is necessary to stop the spread of the disease. There may come a time when the increase in the spread of the disease leaves no room for anyone to help.

        I agree with you, but ... If the management broadcasts in a box without a mask and, as it were, does not sit at home, following the example of the journalists of TV channel Russia 24, at least, what is required from the unconscious population?
      2. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 29 March 2020 20: 49 New
        -22
        Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
        The weak-minded cannot understand that self-isolation is necessary to stop the spread of the disease.

        Flying squads of the los escuadrones de la muerte type can be organized to support the government, faith and the main party. The inhabitants of the word do not understand well, but 12, from afar they will see and understand.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 29 March 2020 21: 03 New
          +3
          Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
          Flying squads of the los escuadrones de la muerte type can be organized to support the government, faith and the main party.

          They say there is already. And no fittings, money. They showed that the elderly Muscovites caught on the street are going to be deprived of any payments "for self-isolation." The passes will be extended only if there is not a single trip in transport. And so on.
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 29 March 2020 21: 20 New
            +2
            Quote: Spade
            some payments "for self-isolation"

            Two thousand rubles.
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 30 March 2020 08: 14 New
              +1
              Quote: Gray Brother
              Two thousand rubles.

              Again, only for Muscovites.
              1. Gray brother
                Gray brother 30 March 2020 08: 35 New
                0
                Quote: Piramidon
                Again, only for Muscovites.

                From the city budget paid to residents of the city - this is logical.
                1. Piramidon
                  Piramidon 30 March 2020 09: 03 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Gray Brother
                  Quote: Piramidon
                  Again, only for Muscovites.

                  From the city budget paid to residents of the city - this is logical.

                  It’s good when money goes to the budget from all over the country. You can be kind.
                  1. Gray brother
                    Gray brother 30 March 2020 09: 52 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Piramidon
                    It’s good when money goes to the budget from all over the country.

                    They do not go to the Moscow budget from federal deductions, but they go from the Moscow budget to the federal.
                    1. Piramidon
                      Piramidon 30 March 2020 10: 40 New
                      +6
                      Quote: Gray Brother
                      The federal budget does not go to the Moscow budget

                      Maybe. But Moscow is pulling money from the regions in other ways. We have many enterprises bought up by Muscovites and registered in Moscow, which means that tax payments go there too.
                    2. Gray brother
                      Gray brother 30 March 2020 10: 41 New
                      -6
                      Quote: Piramidon
                      We have many enterprises bought up by Muscovites and registered in Moscow,

                      Who studied what.
                    3. Piramidon
                      Piramidon 30 March 2020 10: 46 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Gray Brother
                      Who studied what.

                      "Buratins" with a lot of stolen money have settled in the capital since the 90s. Our locals do not compete with them when buying businesses.
                    4. Gray brother
                      Gray brother 30 March 2020 11: 04 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Piramidon
                      "Buratins" with a lot of stolen money have settled in the capital since the 90s. Our locals do not compete with them when buying businesses.

                      Not only for this reason, it is impossible to control a truly large company without communicating with senior government officials.
                      Therefore, all thoughts about moving the capital are talking in favor of the poor - the government will move to another place and the same will be there.
                      This is the dead end of capitalism in its most natural form.
                      They are trying to solve this problem now with the help of zones of advanced economic development with tax breaks and other nishtyaks, but this is a matter for decades and everything very much depends on the economic situation in general.
                2. Freeman
                  Freeman 30 March 2020 15: 27 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Piramidon
                  Quote: Gray Brother
                  The federal budget does not go to the Moscow budget

                  Maybe. But Moscow is pulling money from the regions in other ways. We have many enterprises bought up by Muscovites and registered in Moscow, and therefore tax deductions go there too.


                  Many of these "Muscovites" were your "neighbors" in the 80s - 90s.
                  First, they profited from you, and then, with "honestly earned", they "dumped" in Moscow, closer to the "corridors of power."
                  The fact that the "raw material giants" are registered in Moscow and pay taxes there is a merit of Putin. This makes it easier to control cash flows.

                  - And, possibly, to suppress "small-town separatism". (IMHO)
    3. New Year day
      New Year day 29 March 2020 21: 27 New
      +4
      Quote: Spade
      are going to deprive some payments "for self-isolation"

      2 thousand rubles
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 29 March 2020 21: 29 New
        +3
        For retirees, this is tangible money.
        It remains to figure out how to drive the rest home.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 29 March 2020 21: 31 New
          20
          Quote: Spade
          It remains to figure out how to drive the rest home.

          pound fear for life. In normal-reflex is self-preservation, in .... -no. So they and count on the head amuse. The situation is extremely difficult, we have canceled vacations, the working mode is round-the-clock
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 29 March 2020 21: 34 New
            +5
            Quote: Silvestr
            pound fear for life.

            Unfortunately, it does not drive.
            You see, there will be crowds hanging around, and the valiant police toil in foolishness, persuading them to return home.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 29 March 2020 21: 35 New
              +9
              Quote: Spade
              Unfortunately, it does not drive.

              Well then, to hell with them. Everyone is born and dies alone
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 29 March 2020 21: 42 New
                13
                Quote: Silvestr
                Everyone .... dies alone

                If only "alone" ....
                It just turns out that with their bravado and their indifference, others are being pulled into the grave.
            2. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
              Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 29 March 2020 21: 45 New
              +9
              Quote: Spade
              and the valiant police fool around, persuading them to return home.

              In India, total quarantine was introduced, the work of the Sonderkommando police.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 29 March 2020 21: 46 New
                0
                Well, at least they don’t shoot with rubber bullets, like in South Africa ...
              2. den3080
                den3080 29 March 2020 22: 05 New
                +8
                Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
                Quote: Spade
                and the valiant police fool around, persuading them to return home.

                In India, total quarantine was introduced, the work of the Sonderkommando police.

                I’ll tell you a secret: in India, the police always do this.
                Not only that, there the policemen are armed with hefty awls and they puncture the wheels of taxi mopeds if they get in the wrong place. I saw it with my own eyes in Agra. Unhappy, and dozens of them are bunching in these “wrong” places, leaving, “chewing” a punctured tire on the go. By what principle, the police attack one of the ten, I still do not understand, the surviving lucky people DO NOT leave immediately, but begin to loudly mumble. It looks very strange.
            3. Phil77
              Phil77 29 March 2020 22: 13 New
              +1
              No, there are noticeably fewer people on the streets.
            4. Andrei Nikolaevich
              Andrei Nikolaevich 29 March 2020 23: 03 New
              +2
              Here again the police are to blame. Our people understand only the fist of OMON. Persuade, explain, ask. They begin to swing rights and curse. Only riot police drove up, immediately and about ,, rights, forgot and ran somewhere.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 30 March 2020 09: 14 New
                +8
                Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
                Here again the police are to blame.

                In this case, the legislators are to blame.
                For attempts to drive people into homes in the absence of legal grounds for this are in their purest form an attempt to transfer water in the sieve.
            5. vladimirvn
              vladimirvn 30 March 2020 07: 23 New
              0
              This valiant police even wore masks, I'm not talking about specials. costumes. The infection itself is spreading
          2. Evil543
            Evil543 29 March 2020 21: 36 New
            21
            Today, mothers and children went to the park in a crowd, and who are they after that?
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 29 March 2020 21: 36 New
              22
              Quote: Evil543
              and who are they after that?

              persons with low social responsibility
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 29 March 2020 21: 51 New
                +6
                Quote: Silvestr
                persons with low social responsibility

                And with little awareness. The same witnessed a similar walk of a grandmother with her granddaughters - masked children, a grandmother without. Although the elderly are at risk.
                The question is for you as a doctor - is the devil so terrible as he is painted? hi
              2. New Year day
                New Year day 30 March 2020 09: 39 New
                +7
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                The question is for you as a doctor - is the devil so terrible as he is painted?

                Scary because of its biological capabilities, multiplied by the collapse of medicine under the leadership of Golikova-Skvortsova and approved by Putin. It's time to collect stones
            2. Andrei Nikolaevich
              Andrei Nikolaevich 29 March 2020 23: 06 New
              +1
              Typical rabbits! My would try to go out with a small head, the entrance door would open.
            3. swzero
              swzero 29 March 2020 23: 59 New
              0
              What danger does the child face in the forest?
            4. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 30 March 2020 09: 05 New
              0
              You still need to get to the forest. And along the way you can catch the virus.
            5. swzero
              swzero 30 March 2020 09: 28 New
              +3
              much more likely to catch the virus at the grocery store. Because there are crowded people and isolation of the premises and the contact of goods and money with the hands / gloves of a seller who does not wash / does not change them. The chance of infection in the open air, while maintaining reasonable distances to other people, is minimal. I go for a walk with a one year old child. I live in the area.
            6. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 30 March 2020 09: 32 New
              +1
              If your forest begins immediately near the house, then everything is fine, but someone needs to go by bus. A picnic in the forest? For groceries in the store?
            7. swzero
              swzero 30 March 2020 11: 20 New
              0
              Yes, in my case, the forest is at home. But there’s no difference in buying food anyway - either for a picnic or for cooking dinner at home. Another thing is if the picnic is not within the family - but by a large company - this is a violation of quarantine rules. Well, you need to look at the place. For example, I was in Khimki on the embankment - there are barbecue facilities every 3 meters and people are sitting + one path - constantly passing by people - of course, in such conditions this is a violation of quarantine. In an area with empty seats it is easier to be located at a considerable distance from the rest.
  • DED_peer_DED
    DED_peer_DED 29 March 2020 23: 20 New
    10
    People! Dear you, mine!
    Yes, I do not believe that the mortality rate from this infection is much higher than from the previous ones, "pigs", "volatile", etc.
    Previously, they simply hid the mortality rate, hid it behind other diagnoses, the powers that be studied and practiced on us, prepared for today's "circus". They just want to "reformat" us. Divide it into "human units" and then cut it as it suits them. So that we ourselves are a friend - a friend should be devoured and beaten. They won't even need to interfere. The young will kill the old, so that they do not roam the streets and who have not been devoured by the virus, the neighbors will be beaten and ended up in a bunch of one. They want to finally make us soulless, senseless performers of the role that the world behind the scenes, hiding behind the backs of the "authorities" around the world, imposes on us. They want to turn us into animals, having developed in us and leaving us only the instinct of self-preservation.
    All the authorities of the whole world and their powers today - at the same time.
  • Podvodnik
    Podvodnik 30 March 2020 14: 28 New
    0
    They used to just hide mortality


    A little bit wrong. No one was hiding anything. If severe manifestations, put the flu, if the lungs, SARS (ARI). Specific analyzes were not done.
    You look at the statistics. Mortality in Russia is about 14 people per 1000 population. A year dies under two million Russians. Some from diarrhea, some from scrofula, some from cancer, some from pneumonia. It is pointless to list all the diagnoses. Dying, and will continue to die. Such is life, man is mortal.

    Good already to escalate.

    You make yourself
    soulless, meaningless performers of that role
    .

    Is there specific data on increasing mortality? No?

    The advice of Professor Preobrazhensky to help you.
  • swzero
    swzero 29 March 2020 23: 57 New
    +2
    and whom can they infect in the forest? in open air at a distance of tens of meters from each other? You better go into the magnet and be horrified, where the seller in the same gloves touches sloths, then your food, and so with hundreds of people a day.
  • Piramidon
    Piramidon 30 March 2020 08: 21 New
    +2
    Quote: Evil543
    Today, mothers and children went to the park in a crowd, and who are they after that?

    We have schoolchildren, they are glad that there are no classes, they do not walk the streets, but they crowd around the yards. To catch their parents on "confusion" to snitch. But you can't put a policeman in every yard. request
  • alexmach
    alexmach 29 March 2020 21: 52 New
    0
    we have canceled holidays, working hours - round-the-clock

    You are a doctor?
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 30 March 2020 09: 43 New
      +4
      Quote: alexmach
      doctor?


      Yes
  • Surg
    Surg 30 March 2020 01: 13 New
    +4
    I live in the country in Mos. Region All the neighbors arrived, everywhere kebabs, compasses. A neighbor for another son gathered a bunch of children, although there are doctors in the family. No one wears masks. For everyone, this is a fun game. They introduced self-isolation and many stopped funding.
  • Gray brother
    Gray brother 29 March 2020 21: 33 New
    +2
    Quote: Spade
    For retirees, this is tangible money.

    They already got two, the next day 63 thousand of them couldn’t get through the turnstiles in the metro because their Muscovite cards were blocked - they won’t get these second dvuhns.
    They self-isolated, yeah.
  • Dog
    Dog 29 March 2020 22: 22 New
    +2
    Quote: Silvestr
    2 thousand rubles

    2 upfront, 2 after isolation, for exemplary behavior
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 29 March 2020 23: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: Dog
      2 upfront, 2 after isolation, for exemplary behavior

      Those who managed to ride the transport to that shish after the end of isolation, but I think that the majority managed.
    2. Revival
      Revival 30 March 2020 23: 36 New
      0
      In isolation from self-isolation, it's a disgrace with 4/2 thousand
  • Grandfather Crimea
    Grandfather Crimea 29 March 2020 21: 32 New
    0
    Cruel you
  • alexmach
    alexmach 29 March 2020 21: 50 New
    +2
    We have the police going through the streets and in the "matyukalniki" "stay at home" broadcast. They are also on duty in the parks.
  • loki565
    loki565 29 March 2020 21: 53 New
    +1
    You offer the INDIAN method ???))) I think that our population still has the instinct of self-preservation and during the weekend they will stay at home
  • Pirogov
    Pirogov 29 March 2020 20: 53 New
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    Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
    The weak-minded cannot understand that self-isolation is necessary to stop the spread of the disease. There may come a time when the growth of the spread of the disease will leave most of the population without medical care.

    I agree. Why this stupid bravado, it is not clear .....
    1. _Sergei_
      _Sergei_ 30 March 2020 03: 10 New
      +2
      This is not bravado, it's just a nonsense
  • figwam
    figwam 29 March 2020 21: 19 New
    18
    Starting tomorrow, the home mode of self-isolation is introduced for all residents of Moscow, regardless of age

    Late, Muscovites back on Friday dispersed to neighboring regions spreading the virus.
    1. Gaersul
      Gaersul 30 March 2020 06: 52 New
      0
      Quote: figvam
      Muscovites back on Friday dispersed to neighboring regions spreading the virus

      Thank you for not writing - all Muscovites. (This is not a banter, if that)
  • codetalker
    codetalker 29 March 2020 22: 09 New
    +8
    Regarding the spread of infection, I completely agree. But specifically, these measures from Moscow look like an attempted coup by the Moscow authorities. The premonition is very unpleasant ....
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 29 March 2020 22: 23 New
      +5
      Quote: codetalker
      Regarding the spread of infection, I completely agree. But specifically, these measures from Moscow look like an attempted coup by the Moscow authorities. The premonition is very unpleasant ....

      Yes, fullness to you. Normal preventive measures, which, let’s say so, have already been a bit delayed. After all, Moscow has 13 million inhabitants, and if the coronavirus goes up there, it certainly won't seem a little. An unpleasant foreboding is probably due to the fact that the tension associated with the spread of the virus and an increase in the number of cases increases.
      1. codetalker
        codetalker 29 March 2020 22: 29 New
        +3
        No, not with that. The fact that measures must be taken - I agree. But restriction of movement of citizens (not infected) is allowed with us, for example, when declaring an emergency. No mayors of peers, etc. have such powers! Tomorrow people will go out onto the street, what should law enforcement do?
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            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 30 March 2020 09: 11 New
              0
              This is where the Rosguard comes in handy.
          2. Piramidon
            Piramidon 30 March 2020 13: 18 New
            +1
            Quote: ProkletyiPirat
            And yes, it is necessary to restrict movement precisely "not yet infected", those who have already become infected need to be isolated, not limited.

            Have you heard of the "incubation period"? An infected person, while he has obvious symptoms, will calmly walk among the uninfected and in 8-12 days of this period will have time to re-infect a lot of people.
          3. Podvodnik
            Podvodnik 30 March 2020 14: 38 New
            +3
            Penalize, punish administratively and bodily (with an ass belt), imprison, an exception is only for those with passes


            Excuse me, but on what basis? Freedom of movement of citizens of the Russian Federation is the constitutional right of these citizens. And it is limited, in accordance with the same Constitution of the Russian Federation, can only be a federal law. Since when can a mayor repeal the Constitution at his own discretion? Is he "hto like that"? What federal law gave him such a right?

            We do not have pandemics, not even an epidemic. The corresponding thresholds are not exceeded. And if you suddenly refer in court (there will be a good reason) to this mayor in a dispute with, for example, a bank, then you lose the case. There are no legal grounds. Listen less to what they say on TV.

            Talking with your tongue, you don’t have to roll bags.
        2. Garris199
          Garris199 30 March 2020 03: 19 New
          0
          Even as there are powers.
          The mayor's decree on the high alert regime, based on the federal law of December 21.12.1994, 68 N 03.07.2019-FZ (as amended on July 4.1, 6) "On the protection of the population and territories from natural and man-made emergencies." Article 10 paragraphs XNUMX (b), XNUMX
          1. codetalker
            codetalker 30 March 2020 03: 50 New
            0
            No, there are no such powers. This directly follows from the normative act that you cited.
            1. 2 Level Advisor
              2 Level Advisor 30 March 2020 08: 27 New
              +8
              It’s just that not everyone understands that there is no concept of self-isolation in the legislation, but there is a concept of quarantine for emergencies .. In order to introduce emergencies, citizens will need to be freed from heap payments for the duration of the epidemic and the powers to punish them will work .. which is done in most countries .. we have a fish and eat and want to sit on a bench ..
              1. Revival
                Revival 30 March 2020 23: 41 New
                +1
                Here at last to the point.
                For good, this is only an emergency, but then there will be an obligation to spend money on helping people.
                Here! Therefore, according to tradition, the regime of "self-isolation" that is bullshit! There is no such thing in the law! No!
                But for free! That's the whole story with such a fanciful regime!
                1. SVD68
                  SVD68 31 March 2020 08: 03 New
                  0
                  Quote: Revival
                  For good, this is only an emergency, but then there will be an obligation to spend money on helping people

                  It’s even harder there. It is necessary to suspend tax collection. Those. It is not enough to bear expenses, it is necessary to refuse income.
            2. Garris199
              Garris199 30 March 2020 12: 51 New
              0
              as amended Federal Law of 03.07.2019 N 159-ФЗ)

              10. When introducing a high alert or emergency, and when establishing a response level for the relevant governing bodies and forces of the unified state system for preventing and eliminating emergency situations, the Government Commission for the prevention and liquidation of emergency situations and ensuring fire safety or an official established by paragraphs 8 and 9 of this article, may determine the leader of the emergency response, who is responsible for e of these works in accordance with the legislation of the Russian Federation and the legislation of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation, and take additional measures to protect the population and territories from emergency situations:

              (in the edition of the Federal Law from 03.07.2019 N 159-FZ)

              a) restrict the access of people and vehicles to the territory in which there is a threat of an emergency, as well as to the emergency zone;
              We have heads of subjects responsible in their regions, heads of municipalities in their areas, etc.
              1. YOUR
                YOUR 30 March 2020 13: 07 New
                +2
                In practice, a state of emergency has been introduced in Moscow, which can only be announced by the President. See Federal Constitutional Law of 30.05.2001 N 3-FKZ (as amended on 03.07.2016) "On the state of emergency" Article 4.
                The president has been silent for several days, there is no solution. They called the state of emergency, the mode of self-isolation, but everything that everyone should do is like an emergency. The decision was made by Sobyanin. But who gave the command to transfer Rosguard to Moscow?
              2. codetalker
                codetalker 30 March 2020 13: 19 New
                0
                Have you read one point from the Federal Law?) Then the question is “restrict access ..... to the territory”, to which territory? How is it determined? How will God put his soul to the soul or in the established order after the classification of emergencies?
              3. Freeman
                Freeman 30 March 2020 15: 42 New
                0
                Garris199 (Igor) Today, 12:51
                The key word in the quoted law is Governmental Commission.
                Senator Klishas has already "got excited" about this by saying. that Sobyanin does not have the right to introduce quarantine restrictions.
                Klishas said that Sobyanin did not have the right to impose mass restrictions

                https://www.rbc.ru/society/29/03/2020/5e80f0a69a794757bbe913eb?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fyandex.ru%2Fnews


                We have heads of subjects responsible in their regions, heads of municipalities in their areas, etc.

                There will be a "Government Commission" - then it will appoint them responsible.
                1. Garris199
                  Garris199 31 March 2020 02: 11 New
                  0
                  She is already there and Sobyanin is the deputy chairman of this commission. This one is responsible for fire safety, he is appointed in advance, and not when the fire happened;)
                2. Freeman
                  Freeman 31 March 2020 03: 39 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Garris199
                  She is already there and Sobyanin is the deputy chairman of this commission. This one is responsible for fire safety, he is appointed in advance, and not when the fire happened;)

                  If you about it
                  First meeting Coordination Council under the Government to combat the spread of new coronavirus infection in the territory of the Russian Federation
                  http://government.ru/news/

                  As you can see, the "Coordination Council" has been created, not the "Government Commission".
                  Again, as follows from the message above -
                  By order of the President, the mayor of Moscow Sergei Semenovich Sobyanin was appointed head of the working group of the State Council to counteract the spread of new coronavirus infection. Accordingly, in our council he will become my first deputy.


                  About the powers of these "councils", in the article of the law you quoted, nothing is said.
                  Again "play with words": not "emergency", but "non-working days"; not "quarantine", but "self-isolation", etc. - with an incomprehensible purpose.

                  Let me remind you. "State Council", as yet - Advisory body under the President of the Russian Federation.
                  The "Coordination Council" is a very "interesting" body
                  6. The Council is composed of the Chairman of the Council, deputies
                  Chairman of the Council, Deputy Chairman of the Council - Responsible
                  Secretary of the Council, as well as members of the Council. Council members accept
                  participation in his work on a voluntary basis.

                  And at the same time
                  13. Decisions of the Council, adopted in accordance with its competence,
                  are mandatory for performance presented in it
                  executive authorities and organizations.

                  http://static.government.ru/media/files/eCfUXFXgh0IogAySHbQNlz8B4MeQA4E0.pdf

                  "De facto", all this can be called "Government Commission", but "de jure" - not.
                  IMHO
            3. Revival
              Revival 30 March 2020 23: 43 New
              0
              Name the Government Commission!
              But she is not!
              That's a mustache
            4. 2 Level Advisor
              2 Level Advisor 31 March 2020 07: 57 New
              +1
              but about the regime of self-isolation in the law, where? it reminds me more of a situation when a leader said: "I decided to do this and that! and you, lawyers, come up with a justification according to the law, but not because that suggests itself logically"
  • YOUR
    YOUR 30 March 2020 03: 54 New
    0
    Almost everyone understands this, well, maybe with a few exceptions. Although probably about a small exception, I turned it down. A relative from Novorossiysk joyfully announced how great they would spend this week on the Black Sea coast and how lucky they were to immediately orient and book the house. After them, no one at all could go savages. Fool !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But as it turned out a hundred times haha. A day later, he called and told how the Gazelle column came up, loaded everything and taken to Novorossiysk. Those who coped on cars turned so their heels sparkled. And rightly so. Fools need to be taught.
    The outrage is basically how and what is being done. The word truth does not know, constant deception. Because of this, this attitude to the words of the authorities. Apparently the authorities believe that it will be better. But it turns out as Chernomyrdin said - as always.
    The fact that there will be complete isolation became clear when Rosguard began to be transferred to Moscow. And what did we hear? Yes, it’s so planned relocation. Ha ha This is for the citizens of Russia where the majority went through the army. If they didn’t want to disturb the population, then who prevented them from saying that they were moving to ensure order for the period of quarantine, especially since the President had quarantined.
    What do we see today? But it seems like a complete quarantine, however, in the suburbs all the wholesale and retail markets work. How so?
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 30 March 2020 08: 30 New
      +2
      No one announced the quarantine, Vladimir. Self-isolation is not quarantine, although it seems. These are different concepts — quarantine is possible only when an emergency is announced.
      1. YOUR
        YOUR 30 March 2020 13: 09 New
        0
        It looks like a state of emergency, for all actions.
        But here is the question - the Federal Constitutional Law of 30.05.2001 N 3-FKZ (as amended on 03.07.2016) "On the state of emergency" Art. 4.
  • Stalllker
    Stalllker 30 March 2020 04: 52 New
    +1
    Dementia is that hundreds of thousands of people suffer from SARS, tens of thousands die from complications, and no one isolates himself and does not introduce all the various prohibitions !!!! You at least read what coronoviruses are
  • Roman123567
    Roman123567 30 March 2020 09: 23 New
    +3
    Stupidity is everything .. Such things cannot be stopped !!
    Vaughn Leshchenko got infected somewhere .. and while this was revealed - how many people did he manage to talk to in a few days ?? Dozens, at least .. and these dozens, have already moved into hundreds .. But Lev was put in a hospital, and these hundreds haven’t gone anywhere ..
    Every day new infected people are detected .. but they are revealed only after a certain time !! A person does not immediately fall unconscious .. he manages to take a ride in transport, go shopping .. So it is already impossible to stop ..
    And considering. that 80% of infections are asymptomatic - the number of real infected is even hard to imagine .. And they themselves do not even know about it !! But we also managed to talk with dozens of others .. Personally, I have never gone to the hospital with any GIPPs, ARVI .. and the whole team is the same .. You come to work - you still don’t know anything, and then you start coughing, etc. .. And you sat for half a day, greeted everyone, talked .. On the trail. the day everyone else begins to snot ..
    and even those to whom I didn’t personally infect - a day later they are already infected with the INFLUENZA from others .. There are simply no options to protect against this .. So I won’t be surprised if in fact already half of the population have this virus in themselves ..
  • Andrey NM
    Andrey NM 29 March 2020 21: 43 New
    35
    It is not clear what a "self-isolation regime" is? There is the concept of "quarantine" enshrined in legislation, the procedure for introducing and observing quarantine, there is the concept of emergency situations. What prevents you from doing everything in accordance with the law? And everything is simple - then you cannot sew a "self-isolation regime" anywhere in the legal field. As well as those measures that "zeroed" gave us on TV. Not a single item will help small and medium businesses. No decisions and decrees on this matter. Banks have already said that words cannot be put to action and raised interest rates on loans. The tax authorities sent out "letters of happiness" and they do. And you will not see any delays and indulgences. And few will survive after this. I suspect that a large number of free working hands will soon appear on the labor market.

    In general, looking out of the window today, I concluded that the main peddlers would be "mothers" and children. Mothers with strollers and schoolchildren were walking along the street in batches. And a minimum of men.
    1. Dog
      Dog 29 March 2020 22: 47 New
      18
      Quote: Andrey NM
      It is not clear what a "self-isolation regime" is? There is the concept of "quarantine" enshrined in legislation, the procedure for introducing and observing quarantine, there is the concept of emergency situations. What prevents you from doing everything in accordance with the law?

      The exact same questions.
      First, the "leader" comes up with some kind of paid weekend week. People perceive them in the same way as they used to perceive weekends: officials who have gone to a remote location plan to completely stop working (weekends), people stick to parks and dachas. Then they begin to explain what, they say, that was not meant.
      Now some kind of self-isolation, in which, if you really need to work or somewhere else - then you can. Again, everything is ambiguous.
      Then they promise to introduce some passes according to some rules. What kind? By what?
      Of all this Sobyaninsky text, it is only clear that the dog now needs to be walked at a distance of 100 meters from the house - the rest is not clear.
      Why are there no clear, statutory actions? Why are decisions made the night before? The lack of a clear plan for the government prevents people from making plans. Lack of a coherent position and clear management of the situation is the worst thing that can be.
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 29 March 2020 23: 12 New
        13
        I agree. But we had no examples in history. Yes, and all these measures are belated. A month earlier it was necessary to close the borders, completely and stop communication with foreign countries. The virus was brought into the golden-headed and now it is spreading throughout the country. But we are not dwarf Italy. And there’s no one to wait for help from ...
        1. Slavs
          Slavs 30 March 2020 00: 07 New
          +1
          Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
          A month earlier it was necessary to close the borders

          That's right. But Moscow was the first to howl about dictatorship and lack of human rights in Russia.
          1. Dog
            Dog 30 March 2020 01: 21 New
            +2
            Quote: Slavs
            Moscow is the first and would howl

            If you put it on people's freedoms, kill the economy, and destroy jobs - you and your neighbors will begin to howl, no quieter than Moscow, for nothing, that they are not the first.
            If restrictions are introduced, it is necessary to explain intelligibly so that the people do not have questions and no one will "cry". Hard? The pepper is clear, it's easier to act without explaining anything to anyone, especially if you yourself don't understand anything.
            1. Slavs
              Slavs 30 March 2020 10: 57 New
              +1
              Quote: Dog
              put on people's freedoms, kill the economy, destroy jobs

              Already done in 91st. Woke up late, my dear.
              Quote: Dog
              must be explained clearly

              For the victims of the exam? Yes, I support.
        2. reservist
          reservist 30 March 2020 06: 14 New
          0
          Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
          But we had no examples in history.

          and what about smallpox in 1960?
          1. Freeman
            Freeman 30 March 2020 15: 55 New
            +1
            Quote: reservist
            Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
            But we had no examples in history.

            and what about smallpox in 1960?

            Add.
            The cholera epidemic in 1970. The cities of Batumi, Astrakhan, Odessa, and Kerch were closed for full quarantine. Kherson was partially closed.
      2. Andrey NM
        Andrey NM 30 March 2020 05: 07 New
        12
        Quote: Dog
        The exact same questions.
        First, the "leader" comes up with some kind of paid weekend week. People perceive them in the same way as they used to perceive weekends: officials who have gone to a remote location plan to completely stop working (weekends), people stick to parks and dachas. Then they begin to explain what, they say, that was not meant.

        I will continue my previous post a little. There is a law No. 52 of 30.03.1999/80/20. "ON SANITARY AND EPIDEMIOLOGICAL WELL-BEING OF THE POPULATION". Everything is spelled out there. And the concepts, and actions, etc. are given. By order of the chief sanitary doctors, quarantine can be introduced by authorized officials, the executive body, the government of the Russian Federation. Including Sobyanin, and the head of the administration of the conditional "Zadripansk". And what prevents you from doing this? But only sanitary doctors have put our languages ​​somewhere, and the introduction of quarantine imposes a number of obligations on the state before the population. And this is the hum that the Rosguards are going to the parade to get ready ... How many "boxes" of the Rosguards are needed at the parade? When I took part in parades in the 10s, the box was 200 - a line, XNUMX lines, i.e. XNUMX people. How many parades have these "guards" been delivered to? The title of the Guardsman still needs to be earned ...

        I am not against restrictive measures, but do everything in accordance with the law, without irresponsible bleating and any nonsense about supposedly caring for business ...
        1. Andrei Nikolaevich
          Andrei Nikolaevich 30 March 2020 08: 17 New
          +2
          You explain it to people. And even better, children in schools need to be taught this.
        2. Oleg1
          Oleg1 30 March 2020 13: 50 New
          0
          Quote: Andrew NM
          Quote: Dog
          The exact same questions.
          First, the "leader" comes up with some kind of paid weekend week. People perceive them in the same way as they used to perceive weekends: officials who have gone to a remote location plan to completely stop working (weekends), people stick to parks and dachas. Then they begin to explain what, they say, that was not meant.

          I will continue my previous post a little. There is a law No. 52 of 30.03.1999/80/20. "ON SANITARY AND EPIDEMIOLOGICAL WELL-BEING OF THE POPULATION". Everything is spelled out there. And the concepts, and actions, etc. are given. By order of the chief sanitary doctors, quarantine can be introduced by authorized officials, the executive body, the government of the Russian Federation. Including Sobyanin, and the head of the administration of the conditional "Zadripansk". And what prevents you from doing this? But only sanitary doctors have put our languages ​​somewhere, and the introduction of quarantine imposes a number of obligations on the state before the population. And this is the hum that the Rosguards are going to the parade to get ready ... How many "boxes" of the Rosguards are needed at the parade? When I took part in parades in the 10s, the box was 200 - a line, XNUMX lines, i.e. XNUMX people. How many parades have these "guards" been delivered to? The title of the Guardsman still needs to be earned ...

          I am not against restrictive measures, but do everything in accordance with the law, without irresponsible bleating and any nonsense about supposedly caring for business ...

          If YOU are not informed about the relevant regulations, then this does not mean that they are not!
          Look here, there is a scan: https://aftershock.news/?q=node/848845
      3. Revival
        Revival 30 March 2020 23: 48 New
        0
        Everything is simple when introducing emergency modes, etc., you have to spend money on supporting people, but you don’t feel like it, so new terms are born to provide opportunities for both fish and Christmas trees ..
    2. Garris199
      Garris199 30 March 2020 03: 24 New
      0
      There is the concept of "quarantine" enshrined in legislation, the procedure for introducing and observing quarantine, there is the concept of emergency situations.

      There is the concept of “increased preparedness”, just to prevent the development of emergency itself. This regime was introduced in the Moscow region, in full accordance with the law.
      1. Andrey NM
        Andrey NM 30 March 2020 09: 08 New
        0
        Quote: Garris199
        There is the concept of “increased preparedness”, just to prevent the development of emergency itself. This regime was introduced in the Moscow region, in full accordance with the law.

        Igor, FZ-68 "ON PROTECTION OF POPULATION AND TERRITORIES FROM EMERGENCY SITUATIONS OF NATURAL AND MAN-GENERAL CHARACTER" gives a clear definition of emergencies:
        An emergency is a situation in a certain territory that has arisen as a result of an accident, natural hazard, disaster, natural or other disaster that could result in or result in human casualties, damage to human health or the environment, significant material losses and violation of human conditions .

        In the case of infectious diseases, there is Law No. 52-FZ. Here are excerpts:
        restrictive measures (quarantine) - administrative, health, veterinary and other measures aimed at preventing the spread of infectious diseases and providing for a special regime of economic and other activities, restricting the movement of the population, vehicles, goods, goods and animals;
        infectious diseases - human infectious diseases, the occurrence and spread of which is due to exposure to human biological environmental factors (pathogens of infectious diseases) and the possibility of transmission of the disease from a sick person, animal to a healthy person;
        infectious diseases dangerous to others, - human infectious diseases characterized by severe course, high mortality and disability, rapid spread among the population (epidemic);
        mass noncommunicable diseases (poisoning) - human diseases, the occurrence of which is due to exposure to physical, and (or) chemical, and (or) social environmental factors.


        COVID-19 is an accident, disaster, natural disaster? Or is it still a dangerous infectious disease? And at the same time, Sobyanin declares that the situation with the virus is normal. Where is normal? In order for it to be normal, it is necessary to conduct normal explanatory work and give a real atmosphere. The more incomprehensible information is issued, the more the population winds itself. Today a relative sent me a photograph from her window, where late in the evening people in protective suits and masks walk around the yard. And they also took a subscription about not leaving (which is absolutely correct in quarantine), but at the same time they convince everyone that everything is fine. And she crawls out for a walk with the child, for which she was abused by me not in literary language.
      2. Roman123567
        Roman123567 30 March 2020 09: 33 New
        0
        This mode does not restrict freedom of movement ..
  • Dog
    Dog 29 March 2020 22: 02 New
    +1
    Quote: den3080
    It is necessary to isolate the mayor of Moscow

    Let it work, such a position.
    There is another suggestion. He canceled, in order to combat the virus, free travel for disabled people, pensioners, etc. And he at the same time rides for free on a company car. I think if canceling a free ride is for everyone!
  • Podvodnik
    Podvodnik 30 March 2020 11: 50 New
    +2
    It is necessary to isolate the mayor of Moscow


    Why did you minus? The commentator is right. The rules should be the same for everyone, without exception. Otherwise, these are not the rules. From me "+".
    1. Freeman
      Freeman 30 March 2020 16: 13 New
      0
      Quote: Podvodnik
      It is necessary to isolate the mayor of Moscow


      Why did you minus? The commentator is right. The rules should be the same for everyone, without exception. Otherwise, these are not the rules. From me "+".

      "Zaminusili" so that he would not write nonsense.
      The same "commentator" perhaps, the first one and "starts screaming"
      - "AAA !!! The bosses self-isolate themselves in sterile boxes, but they left us to die in" cheloveinniki "!!! AAA !!!


      The fact that he travels everywhere is right, shows that he is busy with work, and not "hiding under the covers."
      The fact that without a mask - in many cases it is not needed, including on the street.
      It is needed only in crowded places (transport, shops).
  • Vol4ara
    Vol4ara 29 March 2020 20: 46 New
    22
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    In Moscow, a full regime of home self-isolation is being introduced. From March 30, 2020, the regime is introduced for absolutely all residents of the city, regardless of age.
    An experiment in the capital, that's right. Do experiments on yourself. repeat Dead city?

    This is an experiment on regions ... They’ll be stupid there, I don’t understand ... It’s clear to a fool that no one wants to stay at home, when you can jump into a car and dump on cottages, etc. in the surrounding 300 km, the regions will be happy. Introducing quarantine or whatever it is, self-isolation mode and not blocking roads is nonsense. Again, what kind of isolation regime is it, is it a synonym for quarantine or not, for violations of quarantine, the sanctions are clear, but for violation of self-isolation?
    1. Stalker84
      Stalker84 29 March 2020 21: 11 New
      -5
      And what about shift workers ?! Or those who live in the region and work in Moscow? It is criminal to forbid entry or exit. For working people it is necessary to leave such an opportunity. But summer residents are beach people, yes, let them sit at home.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 29 March 2020 21: 12 New
        +5
        Quote: Stalker84
        And what about shift workers ?!

        "It also clarifies that this regime does not apply to Russian citizens arriving in the capital or leaving it."
        1. bubalik
          bubalik 29 March 2020 21: 18 New
          +4
          ,,, yeah, a week later they regulate the system without a special permit, not like a car, you can’t get on a bus.

          ,, after carrying out technical and organizational measures - it will be possible to exit if there is a special pass issued in the manner established by the Moscow government
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 29 March 2020 21: 29 New
            -1
            Quote: bubalik
            yeah, a week later the system is regulated even without a special permit, not like a car, you can’t get on a bus.

            Inspired by the plot of the film "Epidemic". Released in 2018, but the plot is directly similar to the current one.
            1. Gray brother
              Gray brother 29 March 2020 21: 36 New
              -3
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              but the plot is directly similar to the current one.

              Anyway, I looked - I overlooked, could not stand the heat of delirium.
              There, immediately the state disappeared somewhere and right there began lawlessness and a cobweb gebnya. It never happens in life.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 29 March 2020 21: 43 New
                -2
                Quote: Gray Brother
                could not stand the heat of delirium.

                The glow of course is still exaggerated. But analogies are nonetheless traced.
                In general, this virus is not so terrible, the topic is completely publicized, now we are being tested with new technologies for managing society.
                The most dangerous coronavirus distributor is the TV. hi
                P.S. video makes you think.
              2. Oleg Zorin
                Oleg Zorin 29 March 2020 21: 51 New
                +4
                The film is much inferior to the book. Screenwriter heaped up gag. Optimized, so to speak. The result is predictable.
                1. Gray brother
                  Gray brother 29 March 2020 21: 57 New
                  0
                  Quote: Oleg Zorin
                  Screenwriter heaped up gag.

                  [Censorship] he, that's all.
                  And I read "Vongozero", the book did not cause much rejection, as far as I remember.
      2. helmi8
        helmi8 29 March 2020 21: 17 New
        +3
        And what about shift workers ?! Or those who live in the region and work in Moscow?

        Did you read the article carefully?
        ... this regime does not apply to Russian citizens, coming to or leaving the capital. In addition, it is allowed to leave the apartment in cases of seeking emergency medical care, travel to workif necessary, to make purchases at the nearest store or pharmacy, the need to take out household garbage.
      3. Gray brother
        Gray brother 29 March 2020 21: 22 New
        +1
        Quote: Stalker84
        And what about shift workers ?! Or those who live in the region and work in Moscow?

        At the same time, it is specified that this regime does not apply to Russian citizens arriving in the capital or leaving it.

        You can go to work, to the store too. I do not see any problems.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 29 March 2020 21: 29 New
          +4
          Quote: Gray Brother
          You can go to work, to the store too.

          if there is a certificate (s) from OK
          Shop - no further than 150 m from the house
          1. Freeman
            Freeman 29 March 2020 21: 44 New
            +5
            Quote: Silvestr
            Quote: Gray Brother
            You can go to work, to the store too.

            if there is a certificate (s) from OK
            Shop - no further than 150 m from the house

            Nothing is said about the remoteness of the store. There are no such shops near my house. Restricted only "dog lovers", no further than 100 meters from the house - so that "bobby" will shit at the entrance door.
            9. To oblige:
            9.3. Citizens do not leave their place of residence (stay), except cases applying for emergency (emergency) medical care and cases of another direct threat to life and health, cases of moving to the place (from the place) of carrying out activities (including work), which is not suspended in accordance with this decree, carrying out activities related to traveling by the territory of the city of Moscow, if such movement is directly related to the implementation of activities that are not suspended in accordance with this decree (including the provision of transport and delivery services ), and following to the nearest place of purchase of goods, works, services, the implementation of which is not limited in accordance with this decree, walking pets at a distance not exceeding 100 meters from the place of residence (stay), removal of waste to the nearest place of accumulation of waste.
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 30 March 2020 08: 36 New
              +1
              Quote: Freeman
              Nothing is said about the remoteness of the store.

              There is something about nearest the store says. But for someone, seven miles is not far.
              1. Freeman
                Freeman 30 March 2020 14: 27 New
                0
                Quote: Piramidon
                Quote: Freeman
                Nothing is said about the remoteness of the store.

                There is something about nearest the store says. But for someone and seven miles away.

                And for someone, there’s simply no closer.
                Where I live, all the shops are concentrated near the metro - approximately 700 meters in a straight line on the map.
                And in the house itself there are only two "alcoholic shops". drinks laughing
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      4. New Year day
        New Year day 29 March 2020 21: 28 New
        +5
        Quote: Stalker84
        And what about shift workers ?! Or those who live in the region and work in Moscow?

        passes will be possible
    2. Leshy1975
      Leshy1975 29 March 2020 21: 35 New
      13
      Quote: Vol4ara
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      In Moscow, a full regime of home self-isolation is being introduced. From March 30, 2020, the regime is introduced for absolutely all residents of the city, regardless of age.
      An experiment in the capital, that's right. Do experiments on yourself. repeat Dead city?

      This is an experiment on regions ... They’ll be stupid there, I don’t understand ... It’s clear to a fool that no one wants to stay at home, when you can jump into a car and dump on cottages, etc. in the surrounding 300 km, the regions will be happy. Introducing quarantine or whatever it is, self-isolation mode and not blocking roads is nonsense. Again, what kind of isolation regime is it, is it a synonym for quarantine or not, for violations of quarantine, the sanctions are clear, but for violation of self-isolation?

      I totally agree. Incomprehensible measure, with unclear legal consequences. Therefore, it is treated as optional.
      And they are afraid of being pulled into emergency mode immediately. Because you have to solve several extremely unpleasant issues for the authorities. First of all, the authorities will have to take responsibility for the survival of the population, especially those who do not have the opportunity to provide themselves with food and medicine, in the event of an emergency. There are two components: financial (if there is no work, where does the money come from) and organizational (delivery of food, medicine, payments, movement in quarantine).
      If the authorities cannot successfully cope with this, then the discontent of the population, on which the satisfaction of basic needs will be on the agenda (in other words, survival), can splash out onto the streets and develop into an open confrontation.
      And the authorities in Moscow, in the first place, already have one such problem (source says Moscow Says radio station):
      The President of the Inter-regional Uzbek community "Vatandosh" Usman Baratov:
      “Whoever goes here to work, they don’t have billions in stock, and if it drags on and they won’t be able to leave, a month or two, then it can go into a social explosion if they can’t make money and eat up supplies. This is more dangerous. So the closure of the borders is fraught with explosive situations, so a month can still be tolerated, but the second will be difficult.

      The famous Yuri Grymov writes that so far he does not inspire optimism regarding organizational issues:
      Today (27.03.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX) I flew to Moscow from Tokyo. Almost the last Aeroflot flight before border closure. Of course, I followed everything that happens in Russia and in the world - I mean the coronavirus. About how in Japan they learned (and got used to) to cope with difficulties - this is a separate conversation. Only one detail: their schools have already opened. In general, I was ready for the fact that, having returned, I will inevitably begin to compare how the problem of coronavirus in Japan is solved and how we are solved. I was not ready for only one thing: that circumstances would confront me with the need for such a comparison immediately, on the forehead, without buildup. After landing, we sat on the plane for almost an hour, waiting for a doctor who would have to measure the temperature of all passengers. Now there are ten times fewer planes arriving at Moscow airports than usual, but - well, I’m ready to understand: the doctors are overloaded, tired. When, after forty minutes of sitting in a stuffy airplane, a man with a thermal imager finally appeared in the cabin, I think everyone had a higher temperature than normal. While we were sitting on the plane, everyone filled out questionnaires - some usual data: name, passport, where, where, why. Everything is clear and everything is correct. The only thing - then it turns out that nobody needs these profiles. Neither at passport control, nor at customs - no one could answer the question: where to take it, who will take these pieces of paper from us? So, with questionnaires in hand, we went through customs and passport control - and ended up in a branch of hell on earth. Because we ended up in some kind of zone where everyone is gathered in a row - adults, children, the elderly and disabled, transit passengers and people like me who have returned to their homeland. All were in one heap, in one dense crowd. What is there - a meter of distance between people, what are you talking about! It turned out that this was something like a sanitary inspection room: you are again met by masked doctors who measure your temperature. Again! Why wait for an hour in an airplane on the airfield - it's too late to ask this question. Why it was necessary to fill out a questionnaire is not clear: it causes no more interest among doctors than a minute earlier among customs officers. But it turns out that you need to fill out another form. New one. Nearby on a table a huge pile of some pieces of paper are dumped - these are the very, new, correct profiles. About any organization of human flows of speech is not talking. Children cry, people are inflated to the limit - full of bedlam. Whoever can, as it is, breaks through this cordon. I went to the doctors, I say - please tell the management that the healthy people will get sick from this mess; I'm not talking about the threat of simply picking up a virus in a crowd of passengers.
      “There is no one to tell,” these tired people answer me.

      Writes Artemy Lebedev:
      Dear Vladimir Vladimirovich! You spoke here and promised everyone a paid vacation until April 5th.
      They said just that: "I declare the next week to be a non-working week, with the preservation of wages. That is, the days off will last from Saturday 28 March to Sunday 5 April."
      I listened and lightly (mat removed). It’s very cool that people will be saved. And where can I get money for it? AND? Perhaps the state compensates private companies for the loot? Or how?
      To be generous at my expense is an infinite number of comers. But in this case, Vladimir Vladimirovich, we will continue to work as before, because design is not oil, we have no excess profit here. And a week of vacation, even at your request, threatens us with bankruptcy, and we will still be useful to the country.
      Therefore, I have to refuse you.

      PS In emergency situations, for all these issues and not only these, the authorities will have to take responsibility. And it will not be possible to further shift responsibility to self-insulating and business structures. But sooner or later, the authorities will have to make such a decision anyway. And tightening up is hardly good.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 29 March 2020 21: 46 New
        +5
        Already Artemy Lebedev may well organize work on a remote site. What they write is demagogy. He has a cool design company, if he can’t pay for a week. And so, the office center will be closed, and he won’t do anything.
        1. Leshy1975
          Leshy1975 29 March 2020 22: 04 New
          11
          Quote: Sergej1972
          Already Artemy Lebedev may well organize work on a remote site. What they write is demagogy. He has a cool design company, if he can’t pay for a week. And so, the office center will be closed, and he won’t do anything.

          Specifically, Artemy Lebedev can and could. But he outlined the essence of the issue quite clearly. With the introduction of emergency situations and subsequent bankruptcies, the authorities will need to take responsibility for both employees and the bankruptcy of the business. And so, like a half measure introduced and left a loophole, because the business will try to survive in any way. But half measures, as a rule, give half results. The point is not in Lebedev, but in those loopholes that the self-isolation regime leaves. But if the issue with the virus is so serious, then the authorities need to take responsibility now, and not pull. hi

          PS This is of course my personal opinion. But the self-isolation mode will most likely lead to the further spread of the virus. What is the attempt of many to rush to the resorts, since the week is not working. But when an emergency was announced, they would not have behaved like that.
    3. alexmach
      alexmach 29 March 2020 22: 08 New
      +7
      then no one wants to sit at home when you can jump into a car and dump on cottages, etc. in the surrounding 300km

      And there is nothing wrong with that. To isolate yourself at the cottage is the most that is. in Moscow, population density will decrease.
  • Bshkaus
    Bshkaus 29 March 2020 21: 13 New
    19
    Do experiments on yourself. feel dead city?

    You shouldn't be, everyone who wanted to get out of Moscow has already piled up and carry the "crown" onto the careless heads who, sitting in the village, think that they will pass it, go to the store in a day, a week, or three, but all the same, you will come out as cute.
    In Moscow, at least there are more hospitals and an exemplary window dressing of struggle, and from some regional center they may not be able to get to the nearest hospital, stupidly there will not be enough SP carriages to travel long distances en masse.
    So I wouldn’t be especially happy in your place, but on the contrary, I’ve worked very hard.
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 29 March 2020 21: 29 New
      +4
      Quote: Bshkaus
      carry the "crown" on careless heads who, sitting in the village, think that they will pass it,

      In the village, at this time, everyone was sitting in holes and didn’t have much contact with each other, it’s cold right now, there’s nowhere to go. Communication through the fence mainly takes place, and there are not many infected in Moscow to spread the infection qualitatively — the probability is very low.
      If you bring down, now is the time.
    2. Oleg83
      Oleg83 29 March 2020 21: 31 New
      +7
      I don’t understand why it was necessary to drag all the infectious tourists to Moscow? They didn’t even observe home quarantine, some were shopping and some were running around at parties. Really it was impossible to unreserve several former military bases and there to bring all these tourists to quarantine
      1. Oleg83
        Oleg83 29 March 2020 21: 43 New
        +2
        A coronavirus patient escapes from a hospital in Kommunarka
        https://ria.ru/20200329/1569325285.html
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 29 March 2020 21: 52 New
          +4
          Quote: oleg83
          A coronavirus patient escapes from a hospital in Kommunarka

          If I were the neighbors "with whom she had time to talk," I would have sent her to traumatology again.
      2. Gray brother
        Gray brother 29 March 2020 21: 46 New
        -4
        It is impossible to isolate all visitors - this is a huge number of people.
        At first they did it, they smoked it in the sanatorium.
      3. CYM
        CYM 29 March 2020 21: 53 New
        10
        Most of these tourists are not simple and certainly not poor. Who isolates the larvae of oligarchs and globalists-globalists? So they brought a critical mass of the virus to Moscow and Moscow Region, and now the number of infections will go in progress, well, if not geometric. sad
        1. Simple
          Simple 29 March 2020 22: 22 New
          +2
          Sorona infects, on average, almost exponentially.
          Taking "isolation" measures, the government proceeds primarily from the possibility
          medical system — it should not be overloaded.
          In Germany, the doubling of the number of infected was 2.5 - 3 days.
          Thanks to the kicked-off isolation measures, now in five days there is a doubling of the infected.
          Honey. the German system is able to confidently cope with the "influx" if the doubling of the number of infected occurs on the tenth day.
      4. samarin1969
        samarin1969 29 March 2020 22: 29 New
        +4
        Quote: oleg83
        I don’t understand why it was necessary to drag all the infectious tourists to Moscow? They didn’t even observe home quarantine, some were shopping and some were running around at parties. Really it was impossible to unreserve several former military bases and there to bring all these tourists to quarantine


        It was possible and necessary to organize "antiviral bases". But the authorities did not go against the ruling elite even under pain of physical death from the virus. Precious offspring and aged bohemia should walk up ... An emergency should have been introduced a month ago. But the power is falling apart into separate centers: Sobyanin, Garant, Peskov, regional leaders and the Presidium of the Government.
      5. peter1v
        peter1v 29 March 2020 23: 34 New
        +5
        I don’t know how it is with you, but in our suburbs the military bases were not canned, but they demolished cottage villages there too.
  • 210ox
    210ox 29 March 2020 23: 20 New
    +1
    The cord was drawn ... "Moscow was burning" ..
  • knn54
    knn54 29 March 2020 20: 34 New
    +5
    And many laughed, even gloated over Ukraine.
    1. Banshee
      Banshee 29 March 2020 20: 37 New
      19
      We will all laugh later, when it is all over. When we calculate the losses and all that. Now only the coronomychans will laugh, and they will betray themselves with their heads.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 29 March 2020 20: 37 New
      +5
      Quote: knn54
      And many laughed, even gloated over Ukraine.

      You do not see fundamental differences?
      It's not about closing the subway. And about how to make sure that no one has the need to ride it.
      The decisions of the Ukrainian authorities were somewhat .. strange. Without any assessment of the consequences of such decisions.
      1. knn54
        knn54 29 March 2020 21: 04 New
        +1
        The metro is operationally unprofitable. But the Moscow metro is the ONLY profitable one. I think that not only in the Russian Federation, but also on the territory of the former USSR. Maybe from here and "legs grow"?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 29 March 2020 21: 10 New
          +3
          Quote: knn54
          The metro is operationally unprofitable. But the Moscow metro is the ONLY profitable one. I think that not only in the Russian Federation, but also on the territory of the former USSR. Maybe from here and "legs grow"?

          And?
          Will people ride the subway from their own kitchen to their own toilet?

          Mocking the transport system is stupid. And in Ukraine they immediately understood this.
          We have to get people to sit at home.
          This is much more complicated. But this is adequate.
      2. Bshkaus
        Bshkaus 29 March 2020 21: 15 New
        +6
        The decisions of the Ukrainian authorities were somewhat .. strange.

        Let us give an assessment of the actions of the authorities of different states in the fall, when will we count and compare all the corpses? Now it is useless to talk about the Russian Federation and Ukraine, everything is just beginning here.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 29 March 2020 21: 19 New
          +8
          Quote: Bshkaus
          Let us give an assessment of the actions of the authorities of different states in the fall

          What for?
          The Ukrainian media themselves posted a sea of ​​messages, photos and videos about the crush in ground transport caused by the closure of the metro.
          For me personally, this is enough to understand that the decision was stupid, not taking into account the consequences.
    3. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 29 March 2020 21: 34 New
      +8
      Quote: knn54
      And many laughed, even gloated over Ukraine.

      They laughed and gloated not over Ukraine, but at the dolbostuk who command it. Who ditched everything in Ukraine that could be ruined (including health care). Which now advise ordinary Ukrainians to be treated with lard and garlic.

      And to look at them, to be honest, is not at all funny. Ordinary people feel sorry.
  • 23424636
    23424636 29 March 2020 20: 35 New
    +7
    What had to be done was immediately done later. Given that Moscow is a passage yard and a gate to all countries, it was necessary to immediately stop and quarantine all arrivals under control. But alas, the mayor of Moscow is a lackey among the powerful of this world and they were uncomfortable falling into restrictions. And when the roasted cock pecked, the Muscovites started to leave and went to shut it.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 29 March 2020 20: 42 New
      +9
      this is the lackey of the powerful
      Does everyone know how many people from Moscow flew to Sochi during quarantine?
  • BISMARCK94
    BISMARCK94 29 March 2020 20: 36 New
    14
    Moscow with its building density and population is relevant. Well, kebabs and picnics in general killed with their indifference
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 29 March 2020 21: 45 New
      +7
      Quote: BISMARCK94
      Well, kebabs and picnics in general killed with their indifference

      Of course, we have enough of our own indifference, but where should we go from the imported one?

      Today I went to the markets nearby - so, to buy products on trifles ... The market administration closed the department stores. Food containers are all masked sellers. All, except those where the Dzhigits themselves trade. They are, without exception, without masks.

      I do not believe in the special effectiveness of the masks, but still ... The administration requires it - everyone obeyed. Everything except Dzhigits. How - a child of the mountains and suddenly some administration obey ...

      There is only one thing to pick up - they are villages, villages that have been dragged to Russia, will die out.
  • Banshee
    Banshee 29 March 2020 20: 36 New
    +3
    I wonder how Gundyaev will bear this? Will perform or not?
    1. Kleber
      Kleber 29 March 2020 20: 49 New
      +9
      Quote: Banshee
      I wonder how Gundyaev will bear this? Will perform or not?


      Patriarch Kirill urged believers not to go to temples.
    2. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
      Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 29 March 2020 20: 52 New
      +8
      Quote: Banshee
      I wonder how Gundyaev will bear this?

      They put a piston on him, “Refrain from visiting temples. I would never say this, if not for the amazing, holy example of the Monk Mary of Egypt. The example of Mary of Egypt testifies that one can be saved even without visiting the temple, ”the patriarch said in a sermon after the Divine Liturgy in the Cathedral of Christ the Savior.
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  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 29 March 2020 20: 38 New
    17
    Where to get money for food?

    And further. Died Soviet writer, military commander of the Great Patriotic War Yuri Vasilyevich Bondarev
    1. Campanella
      Campanella 29 March 2020 20: 45 New
      17
      Everlasting memory! Worthy was a man.
    2. Senior seaman
      Senior seaman 29 March 2020 20: 56 New
      20
      The author of Hot Snow and Battalions?
      Land in peace and Eternal memory.
      1. knn54
        knn54 29 March 2020 21: 21 New
        14
        The last classic. Co-author of the script for the epic film "Liberation". The front (lieutenant's) prose went to another "Shore". Remember, we grieve.
    3. 16329
      16329 29 March 2020 21: 16 New
      15
      An outstanding Soviet, Russian writer, whose work is difficult to limit to the framework of “lieutenant prose”, which raised sensitive issues regardless of the situation, touched upon the most acute problems of contemporary society,
      One of the first he asked about the goals and objectives of Gorbachev perestroika and was not afraid to oppose the “progressive” liberal mainstream
      He was always principled and did not accept the Order of Friendship from Yeltsin.

      Everlasting memory
    4. cost
      cost 29 March 2020 21: 40 New
      10
      Sorry. One of the best writers about the war. Sincerely condolences
    5. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 29 March 2020 22: 04 New
      10
      Quote: Gardamir

      And further. Died Soviet writer, military commander of the Great Patriotic War, Yuri Vasilievich Bondarev

      Hot Snow is a favorite movie. And "Battalions are asking for fire", despite all the merits of the film, 20 years ago, more shocked the book. I read it and sit, I am silent. My wife came in - and I wave my hand - come out. It rolled ...

      Land in peace to the Real Soldier and the Great Writer.
    6. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 29 March 2020 23: 37 New
      +6
      Quote: Gardamir
      And further. Died Soviet writer, military commander of the Great Patriotic War Yuri Vasilyevich Bondarev

      Quote: Campanella
      Everlasting memory! Worthy was a man

      Quote: knn54
      The last classic. Co-author of the script for the epic film "Liberation". The front (lieutenant's) prose went to another "Shore". Remember, we grieve.

      Hero of Socialist Labor, two medals "For Courage"!
      Eternal memory to the Hero! Rest in peace ...
  • not main
    not main 29 March 2020 20: 42 New
    +9
    All this is at least strange! You can’t leave the houses, but you can freely enter and leave Moscow! It turns out that Muscovites should be preserved, but those who are not sorry for the perimeter?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 29 March 2020 20: 44 New
      +4
      Quote: non-primary
      It turns out that Muscovites should be preserved, but those who are not sorry for the perimeter?

      On the contrary.
      Visitors are protected from Muscovites.
      1. not main
        not main 29 March 2020 20: 52 New
        +7
        Quote: Spade
        Quote: non-primary
        It turns out that Muscovites should be preserved, but those who are not sorry for the perimeter?

        On the contrary.
        Visitors are protected from Muscovites.

        Sorry, but it doesn't fit! After all, they also produce Muscovites! Five days ago, I noticed a huge number of cars with Moscow and St. Petersburg regions, while the region is still at the level of error. And this is in Karelia, here even in summer there is no such influx of these regions!
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 29 March 2020 20: 58 New
          +3
          Quote: non-primary
          Five days ago, I noticed a huge number of cars with Moscow and St. Petersburg regions

          That is precisely why Muscovites need to be imprisoned for self-isolation. For they do not understand.
          We, however, also do not understand, but there are fewer patients.
          1. depressant
            depressant 29 March 2020 21: 23 New
            10
            In our village there are no patients at all. In other settlements of the region there are patients. One or two.
            I went to the loggia for the first time after winter. The sky is an immense white dome filled with electric glow. The sun somewhere from the side shines through the whitish haze. The air is pure honey, you can't breathe, there has never been such sweetness in it. The sparrows are chirping two meters away from me. To live and live ... But somewhere nearby is an invisible death. The people are substituted for her in droves. Children, youth. Mass festivities. Absolute carelessness. Only a few are wearing masks. In the evening I went to the store and realized that the excitement of the past was grandmothers and grandfathers with skinny bags. But now the excitement in all its glory - carts and cars. The saleswoman shouts into her mobile phone: "Send more people! We don't have time to load the shelves! I just turned away, the shelves are already empty!"
            Well, I laughed at the expression, looked at what was being swept from the shelves - not the people. Tushonku. The one that was 176, and now 300.
            And we have people who live here, but work where the coronavirus is. And, probably, they brought him to us. And vacation is unlikely to be an obstacle. We call quarantine holidays, through the open window I can hear everything.
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir 29 March 2020 21: 34 New
              +3
              The sky is a huge white dome pierced by an electric glow. Somewhere on the side of the sun, the sun shines through the whitish haze. Air is pure honey, you can’t breathe, it’s never had such a sweetness in it. Sparrows are two meters away from me, tweeting.
              Beautiful!
            2. Alf
              Alf 29 March 2020 21: 36 New
              11
              Quote: depressant
              The one that was 176, and now 300.

              Most of all, I don’t understand those creatures that soar prices under an epidemic. Are you humans or not humans? Who are you making money on? Or thirst for dough all eyes shut? How much money do you need?
              1. Tank hard
                Tank hard 29 March 2020 23: 31 New
                +6
                Quote: Alf
                Most of all, I don’t understand those creatures that soar prices under an epidemic. Are you humans or not humans? Who are you making money on? Or thirst for dough all eyes shut? How much money do you need?

                Duc, capitalists, on the other hand ... Profit there is the main universal value. request Well, some citizens of the Russian Federation, who are not "alarmists", by their actions to buy food in large quantities, undoubtedly contribute to this and this. repeat
              2. Fan-fan
                Fan-fan 30 March 2020 09: 42 New
                0
                not to understand those creatures that are raising prices under an epidemic.

                And these are the creatures who are crowing here on the site about the fact that "It is necessary to work", that's how they work - they profit from the common people.
            3. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 29 March 2020 21: 37 New
              17
              Quote: depressant
              In the evening I went to the store and realized that the excitement of the past days

              Three weeks ago I went and bought cereals for 2 months in advance. You can certainly accuse me of alarmism, but I'm more concerned with what to feed the children, and not what they call me.
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 29 March 2020 22: 21 New
                +1
                Three weeks ago I went and bought cereals for 2 months in advance

                Do you know how to store cereals for two months? Moth does not start?
                Well, in general, we had a panic with cereals 2 weeks ago. Now everything seems to be there, but the choice is very limited, buckwheat in cooking bags is not for example, only by weight. But the last time there was a lot of oatmeal.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 29 March 2020 22: 25 New
                  +2
                  Quote: alexmach
                  Do you know how to store cereals for two months? Moth does not start?

                  For two months, it definitely won’t start.
                  1. alexmach
                    alexmach 29 March 2020 22: 28 New
                    +2
                    Last time (in 2014) I started up for sure, but maybe I’m a bad host. (in general, it is)
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 29 March 2020 22: 30 New
                      +1
                      In two months? belay Well, I don’t know, it’s dry with me, and my wife is clean with a bzik - she’s constantly sorting through everything.
                      1. alexmach
                        alexmach 29 March 2020 22: 56 New
                        +3
                        Something like this, for 2 months, there was not very much croup for a couple of kilograms of buckwheat and rice. I kept it in closed containers, then I had to throw it away.
                        Grandmother in the 90s, when they also stocked up products, put garlic from moths into cereals. I don’t know exactly how much it helped, I caught boiled porridge a couple of times :)
                      2. Fan-fan
                        Fan-fan 30 March 2020 09: 45 New
                        +1
                        It is necessary once a month to freeze a bag of cereal in a freezer, hold it there for a day.
              2. Alf
                Alf 29 March 2020 22: 43 New
                +8
                Quote: alexmach
                Do you know how to store cereals for two months?

                The point is not storage, but the fact that today cereal, from the bulldozer, 50 rubles, and tomorrow 100. And our traders will divorce their pens and say, downcast eyes, "Market ..". Recently, infa slipped through that wholesalers notified the network about a 10-20% increase in prices for cereals. Why's that ? And just decided to cut the dough.
                1. AUL
                  AUL 30 March 2020 01: 40 New
                  10
                  Quote: Alf
                  The point is not in storage, but in the fact that today cereals, from the bulldozer, are 50 rubles, and tomorrow 100.

                  To whom is war, and to whom is mother dear? And the authorities are not going to do anything with these traders. Indeed, prohibiting everything that is necessary and not necessary is simple. But to do something to help people survive in a difficult situation - they are not there.
                  I live in a small village. Of all the shops - the only stall in which you can take bread, cigarettes, potatoes (sometimes), rusty vobla and beer. Prices were already equestrian, and now they have upturned by 30-50%. Other shops, pharmacies, ATMs, payment of housing and communal services - you have to go to a neighboring city. Well, I have enough products at home for 10 days more. What to do next? I was ordered to go to the city (I am over 70). To order food delivery to your home - no one will go to our darkness, and the cash has run out, but we do not have ATMs. So I think, from which it’s more likely to glue the fins, from the virus or from self-isolation ... In any case, the PFR will please.
                  I'm not complaining, I just really appreciate the perspective.
            4. Tank hard
              Tank hard 29 March 2020 23: 26 New
              +2
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Three weeks ago I went and bought cereals for 2 months in advance. You can certainly accuse me of alarmism, but I'm more concerned with what to feed the children, and not what they call me.

              laughing
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 30 March 2020 00: 28 New
                +2
                The one who laughs last laughs well. You won’t stock up for life, but there must be a minimum supply so that you don’t go shopping afterwards in search of banal semolina. But people without children do not understand this.
                1. Tank hard
                  Tank hard 30 March 2020 08: 20 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  You won’t stock up for life, but there must be a minimum supply so that you don’t go shopping afterwards in search of banal semolina.

                  In principle, here you are right. However, this is done in advance and with certain knowledge, and not at the moment when it triggers a panic and helps certain structures fill their pocket, against the background of these actions. But this is my IMHO, I'm not going to teach anyone here ... request
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Laughs the one who laughs last

                  Yes, I often laugh at myself. wink
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  But people without children do not understand this.

                  Then you made a mistake twice. request
      2. locos
        locos 29 March 2020 21: 10 New
        +1
        The series Epidemic looked and rushed to you.
      3. Oleg Zorin
        Oleg Zorin 29 March 2020 21: 59 New
        0
        Have read "Vangozero" by Yana Weber
        1. BARKHAN
          BARKHAN 29 March 2020 23: 40 New
          0
          Quote: Oleg Zorin
          Have read "Vangozero" by Yana Weber

          Yana WAGNER!
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 29 March 2020 21: 35 New
      +4
      Quote: Spade
      On the contrary.
      Visitors are protected from Muscovites.

      Yes, but during the Second World War the Germans were protected from blockades! Shovels, with all due respect, this is complete nonsense! If you really care about the visitors, you need a banal entrance to the city.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 29 March 2020 21: 40 New
        -2
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Shovels, with all due respect, this is complete nonsense!

        Why bullshit?
        Arrivals in travel are not limited, only Muscovites.
        The probability that a Muscovite is a carrier of the virus is much higher than the probability of the same for a visitor.
        In fact, the self-isolation of Muscovites should bring results - visitors will have less contact with Muscovites

        Quote: Ingvar 72
        If you really care about the visitors, you need a banal entrance to the city.

        And Moscow will pull it?
        Now they’re not just going to the city, not going to the Mausoleum.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 29 March 2020 21: 47 New
          +7
          Quote: Spade
          The probability that a Muscovite is a carrier of the virus is much higher than the probability of the same for a visitor.

          belay But isn’t the virus brought to Moscow?
          Quote: Spade
          In fact, the self-isolation of Muscovites should bring results - visitors will have less contact with Muscovites

          Yes, like Muscovites and Muscovites.
          Quote: Spade
          And Moscow will pull it?

          In the film Epidemic, an example of the closure of a city is shown, only trucks with products were passed. I think in this situation it will pull.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 29 March 2020 21: 54 New
            0
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            But isn’t the virus brought to Moscow?

            Delivered. Muscovites.
            The first registered patient was a man who returned from Italy.
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            In the film Epidemic

            Is there anything about work. for example, doctors, firefighters, police, communal services? Living in the region, and coming to Moscow to work.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 29 March 2020 22: 03 New
              +4
              Quote: Spade
              Is there anything about work. for example, doctors, firefighters, police, communal services? Living in the region, and coming to Moscow to work.

              I don’t know, but in the conditions of a real, not a bloated epidemic, it is these people who will be the rats spreading the infection. For they communicate with people, and the incubation period is 3-4 days at least. Such a person will get sick himself, and not knowing, he will transfer the "gift" to others. hi
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 29 March 2020 22: 06 New
                0
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                it’s precisely these newcomers who will be those rats that spread the infection.

                Yeah. Not Muscovites, who cannot be driven home, namely visitors. Firefighters and others.
                "Like rats" trying to help Muscovites.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 29 March 2020 22: 08 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Spade
                  "Like rats" trying to help Muscovites.

                  Well do not cling to the analogy. It is they who, communicating with people, will take away the infection.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 29 March 2020 22: 18 New
                    0
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    It is they who, communicating with people, will take away the infection.

                    Muscovites can refuse to call an ambulance or firefighters for safety.
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 29 March 2020 22: 28 New
                      +1
                      good Well amused, well thanks! laughing I knew, of course, about the dislike of "zamkadyshs" towards Muscovites, but that would be to such an extent .... wassat
                    2. dali
                      dali 30 March 2020 00: 16 New
                      -2
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Well amused, well thanks!

                      Your reaction is strange ... but Lopatov’s completely normal to yours
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      It is they who, communicating with people, will take away the infection.
                    3. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 30 March 2020 00: 22 New
                      0
                      You think my reaction is strange, but the proposal not to call doctors and especially firefighters seems normal to you ??? belay
                    4. dali
                      dali 30 March 2020 00: 44 New
                      -4
                      Quote: Ingvar 72

                      You think my reaction is strange, but the proposal not to call doctors and especially firefighters seems normal to you ???

                      That you yourself didn’t want to let them into Moscow, like they’ll infect them all ... they answered you accordingly! good
                    5. dali
                      dali 30 March 2020 00: 57 New
                      -4
                      Quote: Ingvar 72

                      You think my reaction is strange


                      In addition, in terms of living, it was Muscovites above the Moscow Region, respectively, it was Muscovites who went to all sorts of foreign countries more than anyone else, and not only that of Moscow Region, but more than the whole country.
                    6. tomket
                      tomket 30 March 2020 02: 24 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      You think my reaction is strange, but the proposal not to call doctors and especially firefighters seems normal to you ???

                      Yes. Once you have dragged the infection into your city, and you can’t just sit at home, then Natural Selection will help you
                2. tomket
                  tomket 30 March 2020 02: 23 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Well amused, well thanks! I knew, of course, about the dislike of "zamkadyshs" towards Muscovites, but that would be to such an extent ....

                  Excuse me, but for what kind of affection for you to feel? What are you good at?
                3. Gaersul
                  Gaersul 30 March 2020 07: 13 New
                  +4
                  Quote: tomket
                  What are you good at?

                  Let me clarify, the residents of Moscow personally, right in the flesh, came to your house and robbed you of money and food? And then they went to the authorities of your region (which, of course, are appointed by the general vote of Muscovites) and drank the budget with them? Was it like that? Or maybe you still should not be confused ordinary Muscovites and those who at the trough? You may be surprised, but in Moscow there are industrial enterprises and the simplest hard workers work there, who are not much different from the same workers in the regions.
                4. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 30 March 2020 08: 15 New
                  +2
                  Quote: tomket
                  Excuse me, but for what kind of affection for you to feel?

                  I am from Togliatti Sasha. wink
      2. Tank hard
        Tank hard 29 March 2020 23: 37 New
        +1
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        are just such arrivals will be those rats spreading the infection.

        Ek you them! straight your whole soul unfolded in a fit. belay
    3. Freeman
      Freeman 30 March 2020 16: 29 New
      0
      Quote: Spade
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      But isn’t the virus brought to Moscow?

      Delivered. Muscovites.
      The first registered patient was a man who returned from Italy.

      Not the first, but the third (?). Registered March 2 (?).
      The first two cases were recorded on January 31 (?).
      Moscow. January 31st. INTERFAX.RU - Two of the first patients with a new type of coronavirus were recorded in Russia - in Transbaikalia and the Tyumen Region, said Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation, head of the operations headquarters Tatyana Golikova.
      According to her, the sick are Chinese citizens.
      Even the night before, it was reported that in Russia no one had yet become infected with the coronavirus.

      https://www.interfax.ru/russia/693554
  • Gray brother
    Gray brother 29 March 2020 22: 26 New
    0
    Quote: Spade
    The probability that a Muscovite is a carrier of the virus is much higher than the probability of the same for a visitor.

    The virus does not look at the passport.
  • den3080
    den3080 29 March 2020 21: 17 New
    +9
    Well, more about special passes written and said on television.
    And where do Muscovites get these special passes? Where to get in line, what certificates and from which institutions should I bring?
    The official state-run media pours such hysteria that the thought involuntarily comes: The power is hiding some real information from the population.
    Why is it thus untwisted?
    At the same time, large non-food stores worked today in full growth, judging by the news.
    I am NOT a resident of the golden-headed, thank God.
    1. Alf
      Alf 29 March 2020 21: 40 New
      +3
      Quote: den3080
      At the same time, large non-food stores were working today in full growth.

      Near me, all the shopping centers did not work today, even McDonald's worked only through the window. Apparently, the governor decided not to anger.
    2. alexmach
      alexmach 29 March 2020 22: 27 New
      +3
      Power hides some real information from the public.

      Yes, no one is hiding anything.
      This is your initial fright, it just finally came.
      In general, according to the experience of Wuhan, which can be compared with Moscow in terms of number and population density: on the rise of the epidemic before the introduction of strict quarantine, the number of new infected per day is about 2 orders of magnitude higher than the number officially detected on that day. Something like this.
      That's what no one is hiding from you ..
      If today, for example, in Moscow, 1000 patients have been identified, then probably 100 thousand Muscovites are carriers of the virus. Out of 10 million, this is one hundredth ...
      1. Simple
        Simple 29 March 2020 23: 15 New
        0
        Ideally, you need to identify all media and isolate them.
        And to be behind the engine - this is the epidemic.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 29 March 2020 23: 19 New
          +2
          it is practically not feasible.
    3. Alisher
      Alisher 29 March 2020 23: 41 New
      +2
      And where do Muscovites get these special passes?

      On Friday, lists were urgently compiled at work. we continue to work. The state number of a personal car, the number of a Troika or a social card, and a mobile phone were indicated. In relation to name, position, legal entity.
  • Bshkaus
    Bshkaus 29 March 2020 21: 23 New
    +2
    You can’t leave the houses, but you can freely enter and leave Moscow

    It seems to me that now those who wish to visit Moscow out of idle curiosity cannot be found in the afternoon with fire))))
    And those who wanted to blame, already blamed.
    1. not main
      not main 29 March 2020 21: 37 New
      +3
      Quote: Bshkaus
      And those who wanted to blame, already blamed.

      I would like to believe! But as practice shows, this is not so! While there is no panic and God forbid it will not be! But if it starts ... no one will seem a little! I hope this does not come to this!
      1. Bshkaus
        Bshkaus 29 March 2020 21: 49 New
        +4
        I would like to believe! But as practice shows, this is not so!

        A week ago I had the imprudence to write in a comment that I could not buy bread and sugar at 8 pm, I had to go around three stores and everywhere there were empty shelves.
        As a result, I lost 2,5 thousand ratings as the last alarmist))))))
        1. not main
          not main 29 March 2020 22: 08 New
          +2
          Absolutely right! A week ago there was a neglect of the problem, today it is already alarming, tomorrow (two three days) dangerous, and then panic.
        2. Gray brother
          Gray brother 29 March 2020 22: 30 New
          10
          Quote: Bshkaus
          A week ago I had the imprudence to write in a comment that I could not buy bread and sugar at 8 pm, I had to go around three stores and everywhere there were empty shelves.

          I also came to the store - I look at some empty shelves, where I say flour, sugar, bread and everything else?
          And they reply so brazenly to me - they’re supposed to get out of here, deer, this is furniture.
      2. depressant
        depressant 29 March 2020 22: 17 New
        +6
        As for the government, it is clearly rushing about, not knowing what to do. The Presidium was organized today - from the same people who are included in the government. The meeting ends, and Mishustin says: "And now, gentlemen ministers, we are now the presidium, we are rearranging the chairs." So, what?
        The people began to die from the coronavirus, and they share power. Sobyanin was appointed responsible for measures against her on the occasion of the epidemic, and Mishustin was subordinated to him. And then Mishustin organized a new government body - the presidium, which Sobyanin, naturally, could not enter, thereby Mishustin got rid of Sobyanin’s instructions.
        And the epidemics do not care about their games, it is gaining momentum. And the only way to save as many people as possible is hard quarantine. Not because it is possible to stop the spread of the disease in this way, but because it will slow down the rate of spread. After all, the number of beds, as well as the number of doctors, is limited. With the rapid spread of the virus, the number of patients increases as rapidly and inevitably exceeds the number of beds. And then people will begin to die in the corridors of hospitals and at home. And with a slow increase in the number of infected, the cured will have time to free the beds for the following patients.
        Only too slurred quarantine. In Italy, it all began as well. Knowledgeable people say that strict quarantine measures had to be introduced a month ago.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 29 March 2020 22: 45 New
          0
          As for the government, it is clearly rushing about, not knowing what to do

          And in this situation, the government is for the first time in history. Yes, they don’t know what to do. With Japan, China or South Korea, which already had experience fighting SARS about 15 years ago, there is nothing to compare. They simply already passed it and know how to act in the conditions of their population density. And the Moscow authorities are just learning.

          And the epidemics do not care about their games, it is gaining momentum. And the only way to save as many people as possible is hard quarantine

          He did not enter quarantine anywhere at once. Measures will become tougher day after day. It is not enough to just declare any idea publicly, it still needs to be implemented. Especially in the cities with million people.

          Knowledgeable people say that strict quarantine measures had to be introduced a month ago

          And they are very mistaken in this. 2 weeks ago and not a month .. now they are taking out those who became infected a week or two ago. Quarantine will give the first results in 2 weeks not earlier. The reason for the quarantine is the number of cases. You have been tracking it diligently enough. That's when Putin said about a "non-working week" in general and it was necessary to start introducing more serious measures.
          1. Simple
            Simple 29 March 2020 23: 22 New
            +3
            Quote: alexmach
            And the Moscow authorities are just learning.


            the smart learns from the mistakes of others, and ***** - from his own.

            The Russian government had a kilometer of time and the opportunity to analyze the adoption of measures in other countries in order to take effective and competent organizational measures.
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 30 March 2020 00: 41 New
              0
              Their cones always hurt more than strangers. Experience is such a thing that is just being developed, it is not borrowed.
              IMHO so far everything has been done quite well. But with this last quarantine it’s still not entirely clear. Probably it was necessary to give more information to people about the fact that there was no need to go anywhere, gather, and perhaps a little faster to enter quarantine. That is OK. next week everything will be corrected by itself. Most - they will hide themselves. The rest will be driven. Plus, close all the hotels, tourist places, cafes, bars, restaurants, shops - so that there simply wouldn’t be anything to do except sit at home
              1. reservist
                reservist 30 March 2020 06: 56 New
                +1
                Quote: alexmach
                IMHO so far everything has been done quite well

                I do not agree, the message with China was closed, and worked in Europe stupidly
                the man left for Italy, returned through Germany to Sheremetyevo and calmly moved on wherever and as he wanted ...
                "they would have closed the whole of Europe at once, maybe they could have won a couple of weeks for preparation ... and now it's all" anyhow, if only ... "
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach 30 March 2020 08: 59 New
                  0
                  So with Europe it was still not really clear what was happening there. 4 weeks ago I also went to St. Petersburg from "near Europe". At the same time, at this time in Italy, the outbreak was only gaining momentum and all ski resorts were still open there, in Europe there were just school holidays and people traveled along it. In general, everything was calm with us, and only the first infected came in that week returning from holidays. And 2 weeks ago, in my opinion, there were already restrictions on entry. The only thing is that you also had to slow down your travelers somehow ...
                  1. alexmach
                    alexmach 30 March 2020 09: 16 New
                    0
                    In general, I do not agree with your criticism. A little bit may be late with this quarantine and informing the public. Maximum for a week.

                    At the same time, measures are being taken, temporary hospitals are being deployed ... and already a couple of weeks have been built. Testing is being conducted, quarantine is being introduced.
                    1. reservist
                      reservist 30 March 2020 11: 28 New
                      0
                      Quote: alexmach
                      In general, I do not agree with your criticism.

                      Your right ...
                      time will tell ...

                      A little bit may be late with this quarantine and informing the public. Maximum for a week.

                      here I don’t agree with you, maybe it made sense to start quarantine measures as soon as the first people infected in the country went ...

                      At the same time, measures are being taken, temporary hospitals are being deployed ... and already a couple of weeks have been built. Testing is being conducted, quarantine is being introduced.

                      so I'm not saying that nothing is being done, but ...
                  2. Simple
                    Simple 30 March 2020 10: 49 New
                    0
                    Quote: alexmach
                    ... and all the ski resorts were opened there, in Europe there were just school holidays and people went on it. But in general, everything was calm and only the first infected people called in that week returning from vacations. ...


                    One of the reasons why Germany has a relatively low death rate associated with the "corona" - this infection was brought just from ski resorts - people were up to 60 years of age.
                    1. alexmach
                      alexmach 30 March 2020 12: 37 New
                      0
                      Well, it’s here, they also brought to Estonia mainly from the resorts, but now a significant part of the identified old people are infected.
                  3. reservist
                    reservist 30 March 2020 11: 04 New
                    0
                    Quote: alexmach
                    So with Europe it was not really clear what was happening there.

                    as in Asian countries - the beginning of the epidemic ...
                    if not clear, it was better to re @ # $% & than not to @ # $% & ...

                    4 weeks ago I also went to St. Petersburg from "near Europe". At the same time, at this time in Italy, the outbreak was only gaining momentum and all ski resorts were still open there, in Europe there were just school holidays and people traveled along it.

                    This is the problem, that when they began to cover up the communication with Italy and warn the returning "Italians" about self-isolation, it was not taken into account that it was possible to move freely around Europe ...

                    But in general, everything was calm and only the first infected people called in that week returning from vacations.

                    if we are talking about Moscow, then the first infected people returned at least three weeks ago ...

                    And 2 weeks ago, in my opinion, there were already restrictions on entry.

                    Meanwhile, those who returned from Italy were already spreading the infection ...

                    The only thing was that their travelers also had to slow down somehow ...

                    by closing air links with all of Europe and introducing liability for violation of the isolation regime for returnees ...
                    for example, to take a foreign passport from violators "for life", to pay for treatment and penalties to everyone who has been infected at the expense of the "virus carrier", because administrative fines for those who fly to Milan on the weekend are like an elephant grain ...
  • major071
    major071 29 March 2020 20: 44 New
    17
    Well, that’s right, because this weekend the Muscovites completely took out all the stores in the suburbs. As it burst, they came in large numbers, and they brought infection with them. There were no infected - bang !, - there is one! Who it? He came to the country to sit out from Moscow. They took me back, only by ambulance. Let them sit at home in Moscow, now the whole infection is there, and we in Moscow will be infected with two fingers on the asphalt because of these bolboyers. stop
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 29 March 2020 20: 49 New
      +6
      Quote: major071
      Well, that’s right, because this weekend the Muscovites completely took out all the stores in the suburbs. As it burst, they came in large numbers, and they brought infection with them. There were no infected - bang !, - there is one! Who it? He came to the country to sit out from Moscow. They took me back, only by ambulance. Let them sit at home in Moscow, now the whole infection is there, and we in Moscow will be infected with two fingers on the asphalt because of these bolboyers. stop

      It’s not all sweet at yourselves, + the self-isolation mode doesn’t block the roads and allows Muscovites to jump into cars and dump them, guess where they will go first?
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 29 March 2020 20: 54 New
      13
      because of these bolboyers
      How long have the Ukrainians been to blame for everything? And now the new enemy of the "Muscovites", how quickly everything is changing!
      1. major071
        major071 29 March 2020 21: 05 New
        12
        Who says they are enemies? The fact that among the inhabitants of the capital, dofig do not care, does not make them enemies, but completely stupid people or dolboyers. request
        1. Vasyan1971
          Vasyan1971 29 March 2020 21: 47 New
          +6
          Quote: major071
          among the inhabitants of the capital, dofig do not care, does not make them enemies, but completely stupid people or dolotivoryas - completely.

          It happens that a "do not care" is much worse than enemies. Another enemy of the people does not heap up what one dolt is capable of.
      2. tomket
        tomket 30 March 2020 02: 28 New
        +3
        Quote: Gardamir
        How long have the Ukrainians been to blame for everything? And now the new enemy of the "Muscovites", how quickly everything is changing!

        Do you have a personal dislike for the plague rat, or do you simply recognize the source of danger in it?
    3. Alf
      Alf 29 March 2020 21: 37 New
      +3
      Quote: major071
      Well, right

      Herr Major, welcome back! hi
    4. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 29 March 2020 21: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: major071
      Let them sit at home in Moscow, now the whole infection is there, and we in Moscow will be infected with two fingers on the asphalt because of these bolboyers.

      So xenophobia begins.
    5. Freeman
      Freeman 29 March 2020 22: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: major071
      Well, that’s right, because this weekend the Muscovites completely took out all the stores in the suburbs. How burst, come in large numbers, and they brought infection with them. There were no infected - bang !, - there is one! Who it? He came to the country to sit out from Moscow. They took me back, only by ambulance. Let them sit in Moscow, now the whole infection is there, and we in the Moscow Region will become infected with two fingers on the asphalt because of these bolboyers. stop


      Muscovites, as law-abiding citizens, carried out the call of their mayor.
      Here is a letter I received on my email on March 28.



      Threat. Apparently the authorities at first, did not fully understand the danger of the spread of the epidemic.
      Or, on the contrary, they decided to leave the city open, fearing a repetition of the events of 1771 ("Plague Riot").
      And this, in the Capital, is fraught. "
      1. dali
        dali 30 March 2020 00: 53 New
        -3
        Quote: Freeman
        Threat. Apparently, the authorities, at first, did not fully understand the danger of the spread of the epidemic.
        They just did the right thing so that many residents of the capital do not wax wax, that oh how tough, what oh what satraps ...

        And here at first they warned, did not understand, get ...
    6. reservist
      reservist 30 March 2020 07: 00 New
      +2
      and people from the Moscow region, working in Moscow, do not take the infection?
  • Lekxnumx
    Lekxnumx 29 March 2020 21: 06 New
    14
    Everywhere so, and in Baku, too, lyuli roam the street. Parks are cordoned off by the police and they will not let anyone. Tomorrow they will fine drivers who ride unnecessarily. Metro only works in the morning and evening for a couple of hours. Buses work but only fill half of the seats. He sat down, so no one should be sitting next to him. All restaurants are closed, only delivery is available. In short, the game is going on all over the world. The president has opened the fight against coronovirus, local and foreign companies have transferred 90 million there. The state allocated a billion to support. It's not just that, I don’t believe official statistics
    1. Alf
      Alf 29 March 2020 21: 44 New
      +8
      Quote: Lek3338
      It’s not just that, I don’t believe official statistics

      I, too, am an opponent of the authorities, but it seems that now the authorities have really taken up the struggle, taking advantage of all the epidemiological experience of the USSR and working ahead of the curve. Even Potanin unfastened a billion, but usually you can’t expect such a thing from our rich bandits.
      1. Simple
        Simple 29 March 2020 23: 38 New
        +5
        To do as Donald Trump did with GM:
        "The company had to" adopt, implement and prioritize contracts for the production of artificial lung devices "

        He simply activated the law on the military economy in relation to one bad guy.
        Mr Trump said he moved to invoke the 1950s-era Defense Production Act

        https://www.ft.com/content/9328d358-1588-4498-97d9-0dd43255a076
  • military_cat
    military_cat 29 March 2020 21: 11 New
    17
    But what about all the "fake distributors" who claimed that Moscow would be quarantined? It turns out now that they did not spread fakes. But those who claimed that they distributed - did they distribute themselves? Shouldn't they be held accountable?

    “In connection with the dissemination of information in the media that Moscow will allegedly be quarantined, I report that this information is not true. Messages are a lie, ”said Anastasia Rakova, Deputy Mayor of Moscow for Social Development,”
  • bubalik
    bubalik 29 March 2020 21: 13 New
    +7
    it will be possible to leave if there is a special pass issued in the manner established
    ,,, resembles the book "Yellow Line" M. Tyrin.
    sad and the regions, following MSCs, will take such measures.
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 29 March 2020 21: 42 New
      +3
      Hello Seryog! Issued, back on Friday.
      1. bubalik
        bubalik 29 March 2020 22: 32 New
        12
        Phil77
        Today, 22

        ,,, a trip for bread in a week sad
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 30 March 2020 06: 29 New
          +2
          Yes, you know, it is possible. It is extremely difficult to predict anything. You had to work today, yesterday you called and canceled! Now I am sitting in the kitchen with a cat, drinking tea, trying to communicate with you.
        2. Phil77
          Phil77 30 March 2020 06: 34 New
          +2
          And outside the window, the dead city, I have not seen a single person! Trucks really drive. what Here is such a sadness.
  • Stils
    Stils 29 March 2020 21: 20 New
    +3
    Obviously, there will be a tightening in the coming days, even this was said. This means that the entry exit will be closed. Registration and issue of passes are already in progress
    1. Laksamana besar
      Laksamana besar 29 March 2020 21: 33 New
      0
      Where is going?
      Special passes from clause 9.3 of the decree, their type, issuing procedure, the method of receipt will be determined by a separate act Moscow government ...
      1. Stils
        Stils 29 March 2020 21: 58 New
        +3
        I don’t know how in Moscow, but in St. Petersburg a friend received a pass for a truck. I think work is also going on in Moscow, of course, no one will advertise in advance that the roads will be blocked, everything will be done at once.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 29 March 2020 21: 36 New
    +6
    Recall that the largest number of infected with coronavirus was recorded in Moscow.
    It is curious that they are silent about the State Duma deputies, as it was cut off, although these peppers are the most common in Europe and other parts of the world .... winked
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 30 March 2020 01: 04 New
      +1
      If one of them got infected two weeks ago, then at least 10% of all the State Duma deputies are XNUMX% covered.
  • Sova
    Sova 29 March 2020 21: 39 New
    12
    They were late a little, it was necessary to introduce them at least from Friday. As the unplanned weekend for self-isolation was announced, many rushed to the nature for barbecue, in Sochi and the Crimea. Now the coronovirus was brought to the regions, and there it’s not so good with medicine as in Moscow.
    1. Prahlad
      Prahlad 29 March 2020 22: 36 New
      +1
      I myself was on barbecue, I repent, now cough, honestly already scary ...
  • Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 29 March 2020 21: 41 New
    +1
    ... to shop at the nearest store or pharmacy

    M-yes ... Now for discounts and more attractive prices you will not hunt.
    Have to tolerate ...
    Wait, I'm not from Moscow!
    Although, maybe it will reach us. recourse
  • onix757
    onix757 29 March 2020 21: 43 New
    +2
    Deputy Director Research Institute. Mechnikov, former chief medical officer of Moscow N. Filatov
    "Why is all this being done? A frightened person gives money away more easily and becomes more manageable. This, it seems to me, is the root of this problem. Someone and for some reason needed to scare humanity very much. Please tell me if this is done artificially. , then what is the purpose? In order to harm human health? Then what kind of damage should it be? High mortality rate, a difficult clinic, high contagiousness, etc. And what do we see here? What kind of mortality do we have? Highly pathogenic "bird flu" H5N1 - He has a mortality rate of 52,8 percent. This means that half of the people who contracted this flu died. At the same time, mortality and morbidity were absolutely independent of age, gender, race and what the person was doing. There was a sick bird, it infected a person, and it was a dead end.This virus is much worse than the coronavirus.

    Coronavirus is one of the long-known respiratory viruses. They are present in a common respiratory infection, which we call ARI, in a certain proportion, and for a long time. So what? This new one, it has a mortality rate of 3,4, well, a maximum of 4 percent! What does this mean? Yes, about nothing. This is a common respiratory infection. And suddenly such a boom! Why? Why does such a boom occur when there is no reason for it? Children and adolescents do not get sick pr "
    1. Oleg Zorin
      Oleg Zorin 29 March 2020 22: 04 New
      +6
      Tell it all to Italians. Only, I'm afraid, they will stone you
      1. onix757
        onix757 29 March 2020 22: 09 New
        0
        Tell it all to Italians. Only, I'm afraid, they will stone you

        No one saw mountains of corpses in Italy. There is an unverified informational noise about the number of deaths.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 29 March 2020 22: 50 New
          +7
          No one saw mountains of corpses in Italy

          Even Italians? There will be an American version soon.
        2. dali
          dali 30 March 2020 00: 24 New
          +2
          Quote: onix757
          No one saw mountains of corpses in Italy. There is an unverified informational noise about the number of deaths.

          And you need to have the corpses lying on the pavements ... so then it’s not 700 each, as it is now, but 70000 corpses should be.
        3. aiden
          aiden 30 March 2020 01: 54 New
          +1
          White helmets and bellingket will be sent there and there will be mountains of troupe
      2. Stils
        Stils 29 March 2020 22: 32 New
        +2
        In Italy, an average of 1800 people per day died before the virus spread. This number has not increased significantly. And the cause of death is not determined by the doctor, but by the pathologist, right? And if the patient had a virus, they will write the cause of death of the coronary virus infection.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 29 March 2020 22: 49 New
          +5
          A person can be a carrier of a coronovirus without clinical manifestations and die from, for example, a stroke. Well, or, due to age, from natural causes. Guess what cause of death will be indicated in the statistics.
          1. Stils
            Stils 29 March 2020 22: 55 New
            +1
            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            A person can be a carrier of a coronovirus without clinical manifestations and die from, for example, a stroke. Well, or, due to age, from natural causes. Guess what cause of death will be indicated in the statistics.

            All right. There are many more infected, at times or even tens, hundreds of times. But here's a problem, the total number of deaths does not increase.
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 29 March 2020 23: 00 New
              +7
              There are no healthy people - there are unexplored. If you identify all carriers of covid19, regardless of the severity of the disease, the mortality rate will not be so scary. The scale of the epidemic will be intimidating.
        2. Liam
          Liam 29 March 2020 22: 54 New
          0
          Quote: Stils
          In Italy, an average of 1800 people per day died before the virus spread. This number has not increased significantly. And the cause of death is not determined by the doctor, but by the pathologist, right? And if the patient had a virus, they will write the cause of death of the coronary virus infection.

          And how many in Italy die on average now a day?
          1. Stils
            Stils 29 March 2020 23: 04 New
            0
            Quote: Liam
            Quote: Stils
            In Italy, an average of 1800 people per day died before the virus spread. This number has not increased significantly. And the cause of death is not determined by the doctor, but by the pathologist, right? And if the patient had a virus, they will write the cause of death of the coronary virus infection.

            And how many in Italy die on average now a day?

            As much as a year ago plus minus. A friend lives in Italy, talked with her. The figures are only those that officially speak for the crown. And the overall mortality rate is at the same level as before, but no one talks about it or recalls it at all.
            1. Liam
              Liam 29 March 2020 23: 11 New
              -1
              But does a friend from secret sources know the figures for total mortality and shared them in secret only with you? Does she work in the Italian statistical office?
              Quote: Stils
              A friend lives in Italy, talked with her
              1. Stils
                Stils 29 March 2020 23: 20 New
                0
                Quote: Liam
                But does a friend from secret sources know the figures for total mortality and shared them in secret only with you? Does she work in the Italian statistical office?
                Quote: Stils
                A friend lives in Italy, talked with her

                And someone showed you a comparative analysis, well ... to understand the general picture of the scale of the epidemic. For example, in March 28, 2019, 1750 people died due to coronavirus-0. On March 28, 2020, 2750 of them died due to coronavirus 1000? No, no one is talking? Why so? Well, to understand all the horror.
                1. Liam
                  Liam 29 March 2020 23: 26 New
                  +4
                  Do not write numbers from the ceiling. Better read at your leisure.
                  At the epicenter of the epidemic - Bergamo - on average, less than 4 people per day died before it began. In the first 18 days of March 2020 in this city with a population of 122 thousand people. the epidemic claimed the lives of 957 people, or an average of 53 people per day (a 15-fold increase in mortality). On March 21, 2020, 226 people died in Bergamo, or 64 times more than before the epidemic.
                  A spokesman for the Bergama funeral home said that during "peacetime" his office buried about 100 people a month. For 18 days in March 2020, they had to bury 611 people. On a monthly basis, this is 1018 people, or ten times more than before the epidemic
                  1. Stils
                    Stils 29 March 2020 23: 31 New
                    -2
                    Here is the opinion of academician wounds.


                    Doctor of medical sciences, professor, academician of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences, specialist in the field of epidemiology and preventive medicine Igor Gundarov called the mortality in Italy normal, despite the situation with coronavirus, on the air of the Open Studio of the Free Press.

                    “Why did you decide that a lot of things got sick in the world? In Italy there are approximately 60 million inhabitants, their mortality rate is 10 people per 1000, which means that 600 thousand people die in this country every year. Divided by 365 days a year, it turns out 1700 people. This means that in Italy it is normal for 1700 people to die every day. And how many are dying now? Not more. The news reports 600 people, 700, but from what specifically, which nosological units? The overall mortality rate in Italy has not changed, ”said the academician of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences.
                    1. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
                      Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 29 March 2020 23: 59 New
                      +1
                      > Here is the opinion of the academician
                      > Academician of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences said.

                      Lord.
        3. tomket
          tomket 30 March 2020 02: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: Stils
          In Italy, an average of 1800 people per day died before the virus spread. This number has not increased significantly. And the cause of death is not determined by the doctor, but by the pathologist, right? And if the patient had a virus, they will write the cause of death of the coronary virus infection.

          In Italy, were all these deaths localized in almost the same area? For a second, for Lombardy it looks like a "Battle for Moscow", the same average daily losses.
    2. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
      Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 29 March 2020 22: 16 New
      0
      Is that kicked out for corruption? Hang your ears wide. Save on pasta.
      1. onix757
        onix757 29 March 2020 22: 25 New
        +3
        Is that kicked out for corruption? Hang your ears wide. Save on pasta.

        I have no idea. In this case, the main thing is not to be kicked out for professional incompetence.
        1. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
          Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 29 March 2020 23: 59 New
          -2
          > I have no idea.
          It’s noticeable for you. Take care of your health.
  • ssergey1978
    ssergey1978 29 March 2020 21: 44 New
    0
    And why only in Moscow
    ? It is needed throughout Russia.
    1. Oleg Zorin
      Oleg Zorin 29 March 2020 22: 05 New
      +4
      Will be in Russia. It all depends on the epidemiological situation.
    2. bondrostov
      bondrostov 29 March 2020 22: 34 New
      0
      We do not need this nonsense! Knowing our Rostov we do not perform it all who exactly will not. We have a southern character, we are here with the device for all the bans!
      1. dali
        dali 30 March 2020 00: 29 New
        -1
        Quote: bondrostov

        We do not need this nonsense! Knowing our Rostov we do not perform it all who exactly will not. We have a southern character, we are here with the device for all the bans!

        Well, duck ... free will, saved paradise ...
        As the saying goes, until the roasted rooster bites, the <inhabitant of a Certain Territory> will not cross!
        Clever to learn from the mistakes of others, but from their own ...

        Further continue Rostovchanin ?! belay
        1. Fikys
          Fikys 30 March 2020 08: 44 New
          +1
          And let me continue, about people like you, most of them are here now:
          "Loch is not a mammoth, he will not die out!"
          So don’t be afraid, you’ll live;) True, it’s torn as sticky, but it’s such a fate! :))
  • Allexx11
    Allexx11 29 March 2020 21: 49 New
    -4
    For the time of the coronovirus, Moscow needs to completely block the border with Russia until the situation stabilizes! To establish a regime that is possible from Moscow, but not to Moscow! And, of course, Muscovites need to be supported financially, because the capital is not a village, there is no garden with potatoes. But together - we can defend the capital from adversity!
    1. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka 29 March 2020 22: 12 New
      +5
      Self-isolation, self-destruction, self-immolation ...
      Hollywood is resting.
    2. bondrostov
      bondrostov 29 March 2020 22: 35 New
      +1
      No, guys sit at home and you don’t have anywhere!
    3. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 29 March 2020 22: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: Allexx11
      But together - we can defend the capital from adversity!

      And then she will reciprocate us? wink
    4. Alf
      Alf 29 March 2020 22: 46 New
      +3
      Quote: Allexx11
      To establish a regime that is possible from Moscow, but not to Moscow!

      Just the opposite.
    5. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 29 March 2020 23: 15 New
      +1
      Still, Moscow and the region are one. At least Moscow and the Moscow region.
    6. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 29 March 2020 23: 52 New
      0
      Quote: Allexx11
      For the time of the coronovirus, Moscow needs to completely block the border with Russia until the situation stabilizes! To establish a regime that is possible from Moscow, but not to Moscow! And, of course, Muscovites need to be supported financially, because the capital is not a village, there is no garden with potatoes. But together - we can defend the capital from adversity!


      Watch from 9 minutes
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  • Million
    Million 29 March 2020 21: 59 New
    12
    It was necessary to do this even earlier.
    And Leshchenko must be punished. Although his ass is already being covered up, he is diagnosed with pneumonia.
    Clowns are not responsible!
    1. Leshy1975
      Leshy1975 29 March 2020 22: 37 New
      +5
      Quote: Million
      It was necessary to do this even earlier.
      And Leshchenko must be punished. Although his ass is already being covered up, he is diagnosed with pneumonia.
      Clowns are not responsible!

      Well, here's how to look. It may sound cynical, but perhaps many believe that it should be awarded on the contrary. From the blog of Lisa Peskova.

      And there are such comments. And most importantly, I did not see sympathizers.
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 29 March 2020 22: 50 New
      +9
      Leshchenko must be rewarded. Thanks to him, we may see new faces at the New Year's "Ogonyok".
  • Fishery
    Fishery 29 March 2020 22: 08 New
    +2
    yes it’s normal, they continue to bring new ones to the communal flat, soon eaten kebabs in nature .......
  • Dikson
    Dikson 29 March 2020 22: 18 New
    15
    Again, an attempt to sit on two chairs .. It is clear that the situation will worsen .. well, call a spade a spade! Declare a quarantine ... No, we will first declare a "weekend", then, on the sly, by chance, we will announce "complete self-isolation" .. We will unobtrusively establish total surveillance of the population via SIM cards of mobile phones .. Still, this is done exclusively for good purposes, really ? Why the hell, tell me, when Wuhan was already closed in China, they were already fighting the coronavirus with might and main, when other countries stopped air traffic with China, Aeroflot continued to make regular flights to the five largest Chinese cities with idiotic persistence ???? And grateful Chinese from all over the world began to return to their native China through Moscow .. and from infected China to fly about their business to other countries, also through Moscow .. Why was this done ?! Self-isolation ... how many patrols do you need to run around the clock in a metropolis like Moscow? And the patrolmen also have families .. law enforcement agencies haven’t transferred them to the barracks position? And can anyone imagine the number of thieves riding on special passes? It will be cooler than blue buckets .. Now the governors and mayors of cities will race to declare the same regimes .. They write about the delivery of food .. - how many people can such a courier infect in one day? And what about truck drivers delivering food from warehouses to retail outlets? And what about bakers, power engineers, doctors and firefighters, plumbers and emergency repairmen of various services? How should they be? There are no specific, clear instructions after all .. And in the village it is still funnier - the cattle have no idea about viruses, they need to be fed and milked .. So much for self-isolation .. This whole story with the virus will last until the end of May .. And if the authorities do not now introduce really tough planned measures with clear and clear instructions, chaos may well begin in large cities in a month.
    1. bondrostov
      bondrostov 29 March 2020 22: 39 New
      -1
      Well, for example, you can not take the phone and no one will find you.
      1. Freeman
        Freeman 29 March 2020 23: 16 New
        0
        Quote: bondrostov
        Well, for example, you can not take the phone and no one will find you.


        Will not help. Will make a call. Did not answer - saved the budget.
        1. Dikson
          Dikson 29 March 2020 23: 45 New
          +2
          That's the way about phones .. -Do not touch the face, say? How many times a day do you have a telephone in your hand outside? And put it to your ear? ) And money? Cash transferred to sellers, couriers and cashiers? How long does the virus live on metal, 12 hours or several days? Once again, self-isolation and quarantine is not a treatment .. It’s just an unloading of doctors and city services .. Most of the population will HAVE to get this infection anyway .. Like the usual seasonal flu .. Now imagine if this type of coronovirus just like ordinary flu, will start mowing people EVERY spring? What, again, to disperse everyone home? What kind of infection is this - they will actually tell us in 25 years ..
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 30 March 2020 00: 08 New
            -1
            More likely, the coronovirus will return, but not in such a lethal form. How did this happen with the Hong Kong flu, which mowed down hundreds of thousands in 1968. Now this is an ordinary strain of influenza A
    2. Freeman
      Freeman 29 March 2020 23: 36 New
      +1
      Dikson (Eugene) Today, 22:18
      Again, an attempt to sit on two chairs .. It is clear that the situation will worsen .. well, call a spade a spade! Declare quarantine.

      Well, it suddenly turned out that Sobyanin did not have such rights.
      Klishas said that Sobyanin did not have the right to impose mass restrictions
      The head of the committee, the Federation Council, believes that only the president and parliament have the right to restrict the rights and freedoms of citizens, similar to the one that was adopted in Moscow and the Moscow region. This follows from article 55 of the Constitution
      “In accordance with Article 55 of the Constitution, restrictions on the rights and freedoms of citizens are possible only by virtue of federal law and for constitutionally significant purposes, which means that the introduction of such restrictions is the exclusive competence of the Federal Assembly and the President”- said the head of the Federation Council Committee on Constitutional Legislation and State Building.

      Read more at RBC:
      https://www.rbc.ru/society/29/03/2020/5e80f0a69a794757bbe913eb?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fyandex.ru%2Fnews


      That is, laws adopted on his, Klishas's, initiative "on insulting the authorities" and tightening the "law on rallies" (in both cases, a fine or arrest up to 15 days), are not a restriction of "rights and freedoms".
    3. Fikys
      Fikys 30 March 2020 09: 02 New
      0
      Quote: Dikson
      And if the authorities do not now introduce really strict planned measures with clear and precise instructions, then chaos in large cities may well begin in a month.

      Now, if you introduce tough measures - chaos will necessarily begin. I don’t know who it is necessary to be in order not to understand a simple thing: the vital activity of the inhabitants of large megacities is provided by these inhabitants themselves, and not only! Hard quarantine is possible only in small towns, with a total number of residents no more than 5% of the country's population, otherwise the rest simply will not feed them, not to mention the uninterrupted operation of utility systems. From the collapse of the economy of the victims there will be orders of magnitude more than from this ARVI, a 90th example of this.
  • Dog
    Dog 29 March 2020 22: 20 New
    +2
    From March 30, 2020

    And we find out about this evening on the 29th. Similar warnings should be made in advance.
  • Reader 2013
    Reader 2013 29 March 2020 22: 22 New
    +6
    Why bans, turn off navigation, because the so-called "Muscovites" will not be able to find their way to work or home
    There are two million Muscovites here, if not less
    1. vadimtt
      vadimtt 30 March 2020 09: 02 New
      +1
      I'm tired of telling taxi drivers where to go, because the navigator carries complete crap laughing
      Although I suspect that the navigator performs a completely different function - it’s not looking for a quick way, but stupidly unloads the highways hi
  • Fishery
    Fishery 29 March 2020 22: 29 New
    0
    the one who wears a mask, will eat the pascha))))
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  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 29 March 2020 22: 49 New
    +2
    That and burn it with fire. Taya Moscow.
    Here people are also trying to live. And God willing, we will survive.
    1. Freeman
      Freeman 29 March 2020 23: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: Benzorez
      That and burn it with fire. Taya Moscow.
      Here people are also trying to live. And God willing, we will survive.


      - Thank you, my dear man, on the "kind word".
      - Health to you. hi
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 29 March 2020 23: 32 New
        0
        Have a nice one you too!.
  • Alex013
    Alex013 29 March 2020 22: 51 New
    +3
    About Spain. In winter, they practically do not heat the house. Expensive. Plus their specific winter climate. It’s cold and they go in outerwear at home. And the old people were massively vaccinated against measles in January-February, immunity decreased and the result. But these are just my assumptions. Maybe not right.
  • Ravil_Asnafovich
    Ravil_Asnafovich 29 March 2020 22: 52 New
    0
    Most agree with the quarantine, but more than 700 thousand cars left Moscow for the region, and neighboring regions, God forbid that all those leaving were healthy.
    1. Petrol cutter
      Petrol cutter 29 March 2020 23: 00 New
      0
      To a certain extent, this resembles the evacuation of the population from the city of Pripyat of the USSR.
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 29 March 2020 22: 56 New
    +2
    I don’t understand one thing: why didn’t the government ban travel abroad on travel packages from the beginning of quarantine? Why didn’t they prohibit the sale of tickets for railway and air transport for the same period? Where did intelligence look if the virus was already raging in the EU and China?
    1. reservist
      reservist 30 March 2020 10: 02 New
      0
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      why the government did not prohibit travel abroad vouchers of travel agencies

      or would have to deal with the financial consequences of such bans ...
      or just didn’t think of it ...
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 30 March 2020 10: 05 New
        0
        Sorry, but ,, have not thought it through, called - ,, negligence ,,. To people with such power, the answer is, “they’ve thought of it,” - it doesn’t work.
        1. reservist
          reservist 30 March 2020 10: 24 New
          0
          Well then, come up with an explanation why flying to Italy and returning through Germany to Sheremetyevo could continue to calmly move on how and wherever he wants ...
  • Ural resident
    Ural resident 29 March 2020 23: 22 New
    +6
    correct measures, only belated. We have very unresponsible citizens. On the weekend, people rushed en masse to the villages. So many delights, some kind of parties, barbecues, visiting guests, playing the guitar. There is an influx of "flock" in the local village church, the father is happy. Everyone kisses the cross - for whom the Partyarch spoke - it is not clear, our priests are apparently feudal lords to themselves. The dope is off scale, especially when you yourself are sitting at home.
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 30 March 2020 12: 09 New
      0
      Yeah ... (It’s time to introduce detachments for such nonsense. It’s better, I violated quarantine, pay for treatment myself. We have the Russian Guard and the police don’t even carry out raids, for such violators. But it’s necessary ..
    2. Alf
      Alf 30 March 2020 18: 19 New
      0
      Quote: Resident of the Urals
      There is an influx of "flock" in the local village church, the father is happy.

      I wish he hadn’t rejoiced, so many donations fell.
  • mitchhunter
    mitchhunter 30 March 2020 00: 24 New
    -1
    Yes, spit snickering Moscow on the laws! As they feasted, they will. Think plague
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 30 March 2020 05: 21 New
      +2
      Quote: mitchhunter
      Yes, spit snickering Moscow on the laws!

      Socrates is my friend, but .... What laws? Please clarify? About "common sense", again, no need - according to common sense and according to the law, the President and Sofred must declare something there, otherwise a complete profanation of the hotly discussed constitution ...
  • Slavs
    Slavs 30 March 2020 00: 27 New
    +2
    The pandemic has revealed all the sins of society in our country. And the unity of the people, and the conscientiousness of citizens, and the number of idiots per square meter who do not understand the Russian language, in particular the words "quarantine" and "self-isolation," and the president did not order the businessmen, who were unfamiliar with the shopping center even in the best times. Or hysteria or dull carelessness - two reactions in society. Has it come to the well-to-do that the prosecutor they know won't save and play the box in the same way?
    But this is a virus, not a war ...
    The GDP was wrong when he said that we will respond to external aggression as in the 41st ... There is no one to answer. You, I, yes, you and I ...
    1. sen
      sen 30 March 2020 05: 34 New
      +1
      A third of those under IVL in hospitals in Moscow are under 40
      Wealthy people buy ventilators for personal use.
      1. sen
        sen 30 March 2020 06: 23 New
        +3
        Here are the more accurate data:
        At present, in Moscow, 40% of those on mechanical ventilation (IVL) are under the age of 40, and two thirds are under the age of 60.
        https://www.popmech.ru/science/news-562184-molodost-ne-spaset-40-bolnyh-covid-19-na-ivl-mladshe-40-let/
      2. reservist
        reservist 30 March 2020 10: 10 New
        +1
        you still need to know how to use the ventilator ...
        I think we just made an agreement with the “right people”: I’ll give you a device, and you give me, if suddenly something, a bed out of turn ...
        really rich people immediately buy a hospital and equip it with the necessary equipment ...
    2. avdkrd
      avdkrd 30 March 2020 07: 22 New
      +3
      . The pandemic has revealed all the sins of society in our country. And the unity of the people, and the consciousness of citizens, and the number of idiots

      Where did you get the pandemics? Open Wiki and become familiar with the definition. 50% infected ???? And this nonsense is being fed by the media and the authorities. Artificially, as if on command, hysteria arose, pumped at all levels. Do you want to know why in Italy mortality exceeded the Chinese and why in Russia the incidence and mortality at the level of influenza? It's just that in Italy, as in all of Europe (with rare exceptions), there is nothing in pharmacies other than paracetamol. It is not the virus that kills, but the concomitant diseases, and they are perfectly treated with typical antibiotics.
    3. Alf
      Alf 30 March 2020 18: 20 New
      0
      Quote: Slavs
      The GDP was wrong when he said that we will respond to external aggression as in the 41st ... There is no one to answer.

      good
  • eskulap
    eskulap 30 March 2020 01: 31 New
    +3
    The digital concentration camp grins. You look, they will catch those violating the regime and if they burn them without an identifier in mobile crematoria
    1. ycuce234-san
      ycuce234-san 30 March 2020 07: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: eskulap
      burn in mobile crematoria

      It’s better, in modern times, to burn their beloved iPhone - it’s straight to take away the bodies of the intruder, put them in an induction stove with transparent walls and tempered glass and powerful backlight and turn the switch so that there are direct tears from the eyes ...
      Burning your favorite toy and the most valuable contact list is both more humane and more effective ... smile
  • Mihail2019
    Mihail2019 30 March 2020 01: 48 New
    +7
    Interestingly, but from the point of view of the legislation, is this somehow explained? In fact, curfews and travel restrictions are introduced. But the emergency mode at the same time is not introduced ..
    Strange somehow.
    1. Fikys
      Fikys 30 March 2020 12: 33 New
      0
      Quote: Michael2019
      Interestingly, but from the point of view of the legislation, is this somehow explained?

      That's a very good question. That is why a certain "self-restraint regime" has been declared, and not a quarantine or emergency regime, which is clearly prescribed in the law. This illustrates well the attitude of the authorities to this hype, i.e. people possessing objective information and high-quality analytics. If alarmists want to "limit themselves" - yes, please, but at their own expense. Well, and the authorities to realize their interests under this guise is a nice thing, it is a sin to miss such opportunities.
  • Asad
    Asad 30 March 2020 04: 47 New
    +1
    Yesterday, Sobchak broadcasted on Channel One, so one official said that in Moscow, patients with a crown who easily tolerate the disease are allowed to go home for treatment!
    1. RitaNik
      RitaNik 30 March 2020 10: 36 New
      0
      What surprises you? If the number of patients grows rapidly, then hospitalization will most likely be with a severe course of the disease, otherwise the load on medical facilities will exceed the capabilities of doctors.
  • sen
    sen 30 March 2020 05: 04 New
    +1
    The Federal Medical and Biological Agency presented a scheme according to which it is proposed to treat coronovirus - using the antimalarial drug Mefloquine.
    Here is a review of it:
    Why Veronika Skvortsova suggested using “Meflohin” is very simple to explain. However, it is not a fact that he will show the same results as hydroxychloroquine, of which 80 patients with COVID-19 patients did not finish the course, Didier Rault said in his work published on Friday, says Alexander Alexandrov, Director of the Institute of Medical Parasitology, Tropical and Vector-borne Diseases Lukashev.
    “He did this with hydroxychloroquine: it is absolutely not guaranteed that Mefloquine will work just as well. Mefloquine is a very toxic drug, it has many side effects. In any case, it will be used only in a hospital setting and, probably, with very great care. Why exactly Mefloquine? Most likely, because it is produced by us and it does not need to be imported. True, I have never heard of the clinical trials of Meflohin. This drug is quite toxic, so in no case should you self-medicate. The risk here is very high. ”
    https://www.bfm.ru/news/440037?utm_source=finam&utm_campaign=year2018&utm_medium=partner
    https://otr-online.ru/programmy/gamburgskii-schet/
  • Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 30 March 2020 06: 17 New
    0
    In addition to the rights and freedoms of man and citizen, which the state constitutionally guarantees, there are still restrictions and obligations of EVERY citizen and person to the state and society, which is what the time has come to remind many bipeds ...
    1. Roman123567
      Roman123567 30 March 2020 09: 54 New
      +1
      Citizens just observe all their duties .. Yes, and try not to pay any mandatory tax .. immediately penalties, etc. .. Despite the fact that most of the stupid in the price of the goods is laid ..
      But the state is somehow in no hurry to fulfill its responsibilities ..
      Want to put people at home ?? So there is a law and procedures for this .. Act according to the law, enter an emergency, pay a mortgage for me, housing and communal services .. how it is OBLIGED to do the state .. Then I will fulfill my duties and stay at home ..
      And everything else is stupid inventions .. Sobyanin "ordered" to stay at home .. Medvedev "orders" not to eat meat. Maybe Serdyukov or Navalny will order something else ?? And people will be told about "responsibilities" ..
  • avdkrd
    avdkrd 30 March 2020 07: 11 New
    0
    But how is the introduction of curfew and the ban on freedom of movement in principle combined with the constitution? Against the background of the fact that the epidemic has officially stopped in China and there are tried-and-true, effective medicines and methods, does not it seem that such measures have completely different goals? Voting on the constitution cannot serve as a basis, no matter how liberals squeak. There's no point. The question is why such measures, which we do not know?
    1. Klingon
      Klingon 31 March 2020 10: 25 New
      0
      look here it is https://youtu.be/AUFoa-AhT1E
  • Vadim Golubkov
    Vadim Golubkov 30 March 2020 07: 15 New
    +2
    Quote: Slavs
    Quote: dauria
    And there are no special reasons for Muscovites to "love"

    Similarly. My father in Moscow, 62 years old, works as a shift. For a penny.

    Quote: dauria
    Common trouble

    The trouble is common. And before trouble, the tobacco was in the rose.

    Dauria and Slavs, and you don’t like Muscovites, and Moscow is in most of its city of visitors who managed to settle there, and most of them are not only grandparents, great-grandmothers and great-grandfathers, but also young people themselves. And this and your fellow countrymen from your region can be ..
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  • Paul Siebert
    Paul Siebert 30 March 2020 08: 20 New
    +1
    As electricians say
    "Better insulation than grounding." wink
  • certero
    certero 30 March 2020 08: 36 New
    +1
    No shit with this mode is incomprehensible. First, by what date is it introduced? I read Sobyanin’s decree several times, but I didn’t understand a damn thing.
    Secondly, what is the responsibility for the violation? There is nothing too.
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 30 March 2020 12: 01 New
      0
      up to 7 years in prison
  • Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 30 March 2020 11: 04 New
    +1
    Of course, we can assume that the percentage of deaths is not so great as with other epidemics.
    It can be considered a conspiracy of the "world behind the scenes".
    There probably are some conspiracy theories
    But I will say one thing that a relative from Italy says to me: take this seriously, at first they were all "on raslabona" ​​in Italy.
    Now there are many sick people, problems with the ability to get medical help, really many dead.
    And then make your own decisions.
  • sanik2020
    sanik2020 30 March 2020 12: 00 New
    0
    Isolation is good, only who has enough money to isolate?
    Staying at home while maintaining a salary is also good, but how much will the employer endure such downtime and who will compensate him?
    If you don’t turn on your brains, will there be enough resources to stay out, and how next? It can turn out like in apocalyptic films.
  • Klingon
    Klingon 31 March 2020 10: 22 New
    0
    Quote: komynist
    The first to infect Sakhalin were three from a Moscow flight. As they were examined at the airport in Moscow, draw conclusions.

    How can an external examination detect the presence of a virus? the virus can only be detected by laboratory diagnostics or do you think that by measuring the temperature you detect the presence of the virus in this way?
  • Mister who
    Mister who 31 March 2020 19: 21 New
    0
    I wonder if it is possible to make a medicine that would act on carbon in the virus, destroying it)) of a low concentration of course.