Elbit Systems signed a contract for the supply of new self-propelled guns for the Israeli Armed Forces

Elbit Systems signed a contract for the supply of new self-propelled guns for the Israeli Armed Forces

Towards the development of a new self-propelled howitzer for the Israel Defense Forces by Elbit Systems Ltd. joins its US subsidiary, Elbit Systems of America. Additions to the agreement concluded on March 27, 2019 as part of the development program for the new self-propelled guns were made to the contract.


The cost of the new contract amounted to $ 200 million, the agreement is designed for 12 years. The primary contract between the Israeli Ministry of Defense and Elbit Systems was signed on March 27, 2019. Under the terms of the agreement, worth $ 125 million (460 million shekels), the company should develop a new self-propelled howitzer for the Israeli Ground Forces, which in the future will replace the American M109 tracked self-propelled guns.

As previously reported, the development of the howitzer began before the signing of the contract, and after a successful initial demonstration, the program moved to the prototype production stage and preparation for serial production. The contract also includes the supply of a simulator and 20 years of comprehensive service.

The new howitzer has not yet received a name, however, it is claimed that it is a "fully automated" system with a reduced number of calculations, automatic projectile selection depending on the target and automatic loading. Elbit Systems says the howitzer is based on the "know-how and experience" gained in the supply of artillery systems to the armies of other states.

It was assumed that the new system for the Israeli Armed Forces will be developed on the basis of the 155-mm self-propelled howitzer ATMOS, but will differ in a number of features.

The ATMOS modular wheeled ACS (Autonomous Truck Mounted Howitzer System - autonomous truck-mounted howitzer) was developed by Israeli company Soltam Systems (included with Elbit Systems since 2012 of the year). Caliber - 155-mm, barrel length - 39 / 45 / 52 caliber. It has mechanical drives of vertical and horizontal guidance, hydraulic (pulse) rammer to reduce the load on the calculation and increase the rate of fire. The firing range is 41 km, ammunition - 27-32 shot. Crew - 4 person.

Due to the modular design it can be installed on various chassis, previously demonstrated on the basis of Tatra T815 VVN 6 × 6.
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  1. svp67 29 March 2020 14: 21 New
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    Wheel self-propelled guns are now on the rise ... I wonder when our defense industry will issue a "similar" self-propelled guns "on the mountain"
    1. Victor_B 29 March 2020 14: 30 New
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      Quote: svp67
      Wheel self-propelled guns are now on the rise ... I wonder when our defense industry will issue a similar self-propelled guns "on the mountain"

      Our somehow stubbornly ignore this scheme.
      One exception is the monstrous complex Beach.
      1. Zeev Zeev 29 March 2020 14: 49 New
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        Could there be a problem in the absence of a chassis? Although it seems there are KAMAZ trucks of about the required class
        1. svp67 29 March 2020 14: 55 New
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          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          Could there be a problem in the absence of a chassis? Although it seems there are KAMAZ trucks of about the required class

          Yes, no, this is just the whole order, if there are more Urals, BAZs ...
      2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 29 March 2020 14: 50 New
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        And why goat button accordion, if it is already so fun? For compounds with tanks and other tracked vehicles, tracked self-propelled guns are needed so as not to differ in cross-country ability. For the rest, towed will probably be enough.
        1. svp67 29 March 2020 14: 56 New
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          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          For the rest, towed will probably be enough.

          In modern conditions, there is already "little space" for towed
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 29 March 2020 15: 00 New
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            Yes, I don’t know ... It turns out like this - the main formation we have is a motorized rifle brigade, and it has a tank battalion, and BMP, so they need a tracked self-propelled gun. And towed ... this is for the Russian Guard, in theory they are enough.
            However, this is IMHO, I do not pretend to the truth
            1. svp67 29 March 2020 15: 54 New
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              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              so they need a tracked self-propelled gun.

              It would be nice, but they are expensive. Wheeled is cheaper and in price and content
            2. Lopatov 29 March 2020 15: 57 New
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              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              and BMP,

              There are brigades on the armored personnel carrier. There are artillery brigades. requiring high operational mobility.

              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              For the rest, towed will probably be enough.

              The transfer time from combat to marching of the latest 2A65 with pulling openers reaches three minutes.
              That is, in a collision with a normal enemy, it will be enough only for one fire attack.
              1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 29 March 2020 16: 54 New
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                Quote: Spade
                That is, in a collision with a normal opponent

                And on a normal opponent there should be tracked self-propelled guns. towed - it’s so ... against gangs. But, I repeat. I do not pretend to be true
                1. Lopatov 29 March 2020 18: 11 New
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                  Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                  And on a normal enemy there should be tracked self-propelled guns

                  Or at a car base. In order to quickly build up the artillery grouping.

                  Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                  towed - it’s so ... against gangs.

                  And for airmobile units. Here we have problems too. In addition to the mortar "Nona-M1" there is nothing. Yes, and save on it. No informatization. Which not only improves efficiency and combat stability, it makes artillery fire safer for its own.
      3. orionvitt 29 March 2020 15: 58 New
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        Quote: Victor_B
        Our somehow stubbornly ignore this scheme.

        It would seem that it could be simpler and cheaper than installing a gun on a truck, but it wasn’t there. My personal opinion is that when fired from large-caliber guns, huge dynamic loads arise. Wheel technology is simply not designed for that. I believe that if so far, this has not been done, then the game is not worth the candle. . You say that there are many such samples in the world, but then their problems. Domestic designers of military equipment, probably know better. More than sure that such work was carried out both in the Union and in Russia. But if not, then no.
        1. Lopatov 29 March 2020 16: 07 New
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          Quote: orionvitt
          Wheel technology is simply not designed for that.


          155 mm Brutus.
          Everything is solvable.
          1. orionvitt 29 March 2020 16: 15 New
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            Quote: Spade
            155 mm Brutus.
            Everything is solvable.

            Yes, no questions, everything is solved. As the saying goes, "bad business is not tricky." I repeat, once in the Union and then in Russia they didn’t take such things into service, so there is a reason. I believe the principle of "cheap and cheerful" in this case does not work.
            1. Lopatov 29 March 2020 16: 18 New
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              Quote: orionvitt
              I repeat, once in the Union and then in Russia, this was not adopted

              Save.
              They think that disposable 2A36 and 2A65 are much better. Well, the gunners ... they are free, women still give birth.

              Russian artillery in a deep systemic crisis. Fact.
              1. orionvitt 29 March 2020 16: 25 New
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                Quote: Spade
                Save.

                Let's go again. In terms of savings, this option is just the thing. What could be simpler and cheaper, fastened the gun on the truck, and the type is ready. Well it doesn’t work like that. At least in serious armies.
                1. Lopatov 29 March 2020 19: 56 New
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                  Quote: orionvitt
                  Well it doesn’t work like that. At least in serious armies.

                  Watching how to do it ...
              2. Hermit21 29 March 2020 17: 46 New
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                The modernization of self-propelled guns, MLRS, the introduction of any ASUNO, rocket launcher, the work of which has been appreciated by some places, is the development of new artillery systems called a "deep system crisis" only because there are no self-propelled guns on the wheeled platform? Well, OK
                1. Lopatov 29 March 2020 18: 08 New
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                  Quote: Hermit21
                  The modernization of self-propelled guns, MLRS, the introduction of any ASUNO, rocket launcher, the work of which has been appreciated by some places, is the development of new artillery systems called a "deep system crisis" only because there are no self-propelled guns on the wheeled platform? Well, OK

                  https://m.tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/2020316439-G5awp.html?utm_source=m.tvzvezda&utm_medium=tagspagelinks&utm_campaign=newslink&utm_term=v1
                  Very interesting video.
                  There is nothing on it that would not have been under the USSR.
                  Ah, sorry, Chinese engineering calculator. Unsuccessful choice - freeze, it is often necessary to warm in the bosom
      4. Lopatov 29 March 2020 16: 04 New
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        Quote: Victor_B
        Our somehow stubbornly ignore this scheme.


        2007 Uraltransmash patent RU2355977C1
      5. lucul 29 March 2020 16: 19 New
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        Our for some reason stubbornly ignore this scheme

        It has long been written about this - in a modern war - towed artillery is an anachronism. In battle, she will die very quickly, and primarily because of the drones, which are easy enough to find. At the moment, Russia, in towed artillery, is significantly superior to similar structures of the NATO bloc ....
        The situation of 1941 is repeated, when we had significant superiority in tanks, and from this we built a doctrine, and when in the very first days of the war we lost 80% of all tanks due to the actions of enemy aviation, i.e. roughly speaking, the resources for the production of these tanks were thrown to the wind, due to miscalculations of command.
        So with our towed artillery - will die very quickly. There is only one salvation - mobility and disguise .....
      6. Hermit21 29 March 2020 17: 40 New
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        "Coalition-SV-KSh"
    2. Amateur 29 March 2020 14: 33 New
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      when our military industrial complex will issue a "similar mount"

      As soon as paved roads (except for paid Moscow-S-Petersburg) appear in Russia or as a result of global warming, everything will dry out to a state of semi-desert. soldier
      1. Victor_B 29 March 2020 14: 37 New
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        Quote: Amateur
        as a result of global warming, everything will dry out to a state of semi-desert.

        And to Arab brothers / Venezuelans / Persians and other Indians with the Chinese to sell?
        1. Amateur 29 March 2020 14: 41 New
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          to the Arabs / Venezuelans / Persians and other Indians with the Chinese to sell?

          There is already a Chinese SH-11.
          1. Victor_B 29 March 2020 14: 43 New
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            Quote: Amateur
            There is already a Chinese SH-11.

            Russians are not afraid of difficulties!
            It would be that.
            Vparim!
            May be... request
        2. Insurgent 29 March 2020 14: 44 New
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          I understand, it’s completely off topic, but to "stick" the video, not where ... There is no topic about Italy, the virus ...

          But it's worth seeing it.
          Italian policemen pay their last respects to those killed by the coronavirus, whose bodies are transported by army trucks.

          The number of deaths from COVID-19 in Italy on March 29 exceeded 10.

          1. Victor_B 29 March 2020 14: 45 New
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            Italian policemen pay their last respects to those killed by the coronavirus, whose bodies are transported by army trucks.

            I’ll pour myself and myself.
            For the mention of the soul ...
            (I’m sitting with snotite. Maybe that muck. They, the dogs, lowered the risk age from 70 to 65, otherwise I had to spend a whole year before such a car)
            1. Vitaly gusin 29 March 2020 15: 29 New
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              Quote: Victor_B
              I’m sitting with snotite. Maybe that muck

              I will try to reassure you, they asked such a question to specialists they reassured, this rubbish is not exchanged for such trifles, it immediately creeps into the lungs. And what you just need to take on your chest and be HEALTHY!
          2. Same lech 29 March 2020 14: 56 New
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            It is sad of course ... but we must live on and draw conclusions so as not to be in the same position.
      2. Thunderbolt 29 March 2020 14: 45 New
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        Quote: svp67
        I wonder when our defense industry will issue a "similar mount"

        There is such a kid. Deripaska is called when “processing” comes from Soviet designs, then don’t wait for improvements /// glory, by the way to the Soviet hardeners, they put the equipment suitable for the country. BMP-3 is a song of Soviet tank building. And what’s in the boxes of all of our, for the most part, in the regiments and brigade, go there at your leisure with a holy candle. You will see the Bechi Soviet and “blind” unmodified tanks.
        1. Victor_B 29 March 2020 14: 52 New
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          You are an interesting person!
          Excuse me, but your texts give the impression of a VERY strong "take on chest".
          I somehow tried to write drunk, the next day I read and more than this crap do not suffer.
          1. Thunderbolt 29 March 2020 14: 56 New
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            Well, what it seems to you is to the local psychiatrist. In essence, the problems voiced by me, are there any objections? If not, then do not clog the topic or write in a personal message.
            1. Victor_B 29 March 2020 14: 58 New
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              Quote: Thunderbolt
              Essentially the problems voiced by me are, what to object?

              Understand that your texts are very uncomfortable to read.
              You will turn your eyes.
              In your browser that the spellchecker is not working or not connected?
              1. Thunderbolt 29 March 2020 15: 17 New
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                Now I understand and apologize for your worries ... Great Russian, sorry to the ground .... No, I’m all inclusive, I just got a TBI at the dawn of the century, I even lay in a coma in the Podolsk glossary. it affects, maybe my style, and when it breaks down into an unrestrained storm, but it doesn’t come, just special memory properties ... forgive me generously
                1. Victor_B 29 March 2020 15: 36 New
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                  just at the dawn of the century I got a head injury, in a coma even lay

                  I sincerely sympathize ...
                  It’s just that sometimes people go to forums in drinking.
                  I apologize if my words were harsh.
                  But still try to edit the texts after writing.
                  It’s hard to read, and the thoughts are the same as mine.
          2. Same lech 29 March 2020 14: 57 New
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            ))) smile
            I confess constantly
            I pray for sobriety, yes, yes
            And only some half a glass
            I allow sometimes.
            Eh, sometimes, eh, sometimes,
            Oh, sometimes, sometimes.

            And I confess frankly
            Humble man, yes, yes
            And I usually drink in the morning
            In total, some two sips.
            Eh, two sips, eh, two sips,
            Oh, two sips, two sips.
      3. carstorm 11 29 March 2020 14: 50 New
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        Well, we will decrease to the state of Italy for example. to use these roads.
      4. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 29 March 2020 14: 50 New
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        "There are no roads in Russia, only directions" (Napoleon Bonaparte)
        1. Thunderbolt 29 March 2020 15: 01 New
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          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          "There are no roads in Russia, only directions" (Napoleon Bonaparte)

          The road in Russia is a strategic factor. Yes .... the soldier said, uncorking an oiled jar of tushonka, but you won’t get anything .....--- NORMAL soldier
          1. Same lech 29 March 2020 15: 04 New
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            Where are there so many of them to dig in ?.
      5. svp67 29 March 2020 15: 34 New
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        Quote: Amateur
        As soon as paved roads (except for paid Moscow-S-Petersburg) appear in Russia or as a result of global warming, everything will dry out to a state of semi-desert.

        Funny ... But what about this Swedish Archer?

        French Caesar

        Czech "Dana"

        Even the Cubans, that's what they did from the Soviet cannon and KrAZ

        Serbs have NORA B-52, based on our KamAZ

        And even we have Phlox, but it’s not a full-fledged self-propelled gun
        1. Lopatov 29 March 2020 16: 12 New
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          Quote: svp67
          And even we have Phlox, but it’s not a full-fledged self-propelled gun

          ??
          1. svp67 29 March 2020 17: 51 New
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            Quote: Spade
            ??

            Quiet, quiet ... don't scream. But this is NONA on wheels ...
            1. Lopatov 29 March 2020 18: 09 New
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              Quote: svp67
              But this is NONA on wheels ...

              Rather, "Vienna." But this is self-propelled guns.
              1. svp67 29 March 2020 19: 45 New
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                Quote: Spade
                Rather, "Vienna." But this is self-propelled guns.

                And what’s it bigger, mortar or howitzer?
                1. Lopatov 29 March 2020 19: 54 New
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                  And what’s it bigger, mortar or howitzer?

                  Howitzer.
                  Able to shoot cheap mortar mines. And somewhat limited in firing range. For the battalion artillery is normal, but above is already not enough.
    3. strannik1985 29 March 2020 15: 04 New
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      Wheel self-propelled guns on the rise ...

      Coalition-SV-KSh.
    4. Zaurbek 29 March 2020 21: 31 New
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      Ours wanted to portray something with an armored pipe on Kamaz8x8 .... it didn’t grow together although the idea is beautiful, especially in long-barrel versions
  2. Zeev Zeev 29 March 2020 14: 40 New
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    Purely to make it clear what kind of self-propelled guns are meant. ATMOS 2000 is already in service with seven states (Azerbaijan, Rwanda, Botswana, Cameroon, Thailand, Romania, Uganda), and another (Poland) is at the stage of adopting a licensed copy of local production.
    1. Aaron Zawi 29 March 2020 14: 53 New
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      Quote: Zeev Zeev
      Purely to make it clear what kind of self-propelled guns are meant. ATMOS 2000 is already in service with seven states (Azerbaijan, Rwanda, Botswana, Cameroon, Thailand, Romania, Uganda), and another (Poland) is at the stage of adopting a licensed copy of local production.

      I don’t like it. It’s a pity that they closed the Scholef program.

      For tank and heavy brigades, it is much more suitable.
      1. Same lech 29 March 2020 14: 58 New
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        Why closed ???
        1. Zaurbek 29 March 2020 21: 33 New
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          Because there is no one to fight already with such heavy brigades .... and the strength of the Israeli Air Force is above the whole environment.
      2. Zeev Zeev 29 March 2020 14: 59 New
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        The Scholef was too expensive and heavy due to the Merkava chassis.
        1. Same lech 29 March 2020 15: 05 New
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          And how was target designation planned for such howitzers? The range, as I understand it, is decent for heavy howitzers, and here we need a different target designation system.
          1. Zeev Zeev 29 March 2020 15: 14 New
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            Artillery calculators and maps with marks for artillery did not come up yesterday. A quarter of a century ago, my acquaintance shot at 25-30 at relatively small targets (30x50 meters) with heavy losses from the enemy.
            1. Same lech 29 March 2020 15: 15 New
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              The question is the response time of the enemy ... unless of course he is not stupid ....
              I believe the Palestinians are not too serious an adversary for the IDF.)))
              1. Zeev Zeev 29 March 2020 15: 49 New
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                There was no reaction from the enemy. Hezbollah survivors ran to hide in the village
                1. Same lech 29 March 2020 15: 51 New
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                  Enemy reaction smile did not have.
                  You're lucky

                  I would have come up with a couple of small dirty tricks on the site of hezbollons. smile
                  1. Zeev Zeev 29 March 2020 17: 33 New
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                    They invented. For example, Katyusha rockets fired at cities.
          2. Zaurbek 29 March 2020 21: 33 New
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            All the same .... plus UAV. They didn’t come up with anything new.
  3. knn54 29 March 2020 14: 40 New
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    For land forces, especially Israel, there is no alternative to wheeled self-propelled guns.
    For the Airborne Forces, the Marines are of course tracked.
    1. Zeev Zeev 29 March 2020 14: 54 New
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      Israel’s ground forces have so far only used tracked self-propelled guns.
  4. askort154 29 March 2020 14: 51 New
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    svp67 ...Wheel self-propelled guns are now on the rise ... I wonder when our defense industry will issue a similar self-propelled guns "on the mountain"

    Each sandpiper has its own swamp. I remember the video of how NATO troops in the exercises tried to land on a sandy beach with wheeled armored vehicles.
    They buried themselves in the most “I can’t” run, scurry around, but there is nothing to pull out. hi
  5. Thrifty 29 March 2020 14: 51 New
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    Crew or crew? Or, and the driver
    tractor or truck is also part of the crew?
    1. Lopatov 29 March 2020 16: 16 New
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      Quote: Thrifty
      Crew or crew?

      2С19 crew of 5 people. Calculation of 7 people. Shell and charging are added from the ground.
  6. Oleg Olkha 29 March 2020 19: 55 New
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    Israeli wheeled self-propelled guns have little in common with existing ATMOS. The base - Oshkosh HEMTT and once Elbit connected its American "daughter" (and therefore money from 3.8 billion annual aid) means the tests of the prototype tower in the desert are completed. Here are the "turtles" http://armor-il.blogspot.com/2018/09/future-israeli-howitzer-likely-to-be.html
  7. lvov_aleksey 29 March 2020 23: 10 New
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    flag in their hands against our Coalition-SV
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/2%D0%A135
  8. lvov_aleksey 29 March 2020 23: 14 New
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    Quote: askort154
    svp67 ...Wheel self-propelled guns are now on the rise ... I wonder when our defense industry will issue a similar self-propelled guns "on the mountain"
    Each sandpiper has its own swamp. I remember the video of how NATO troops in the exercises tried to land on a sandy beach with wheeled armored vehicles.
    They buried themselves in the most “I can’t” run, scurry around, but there is nothing to pull out. hi

    they did not fight like our grandfathers, they have paving stones, asphalt, etc.
    ps and we can through the mountains, rivers, swamps, etc. (A. Suvorov or WWII remember) !!!