Elbit Systems signed a contract for the supply of new self-propelled guns for the Israeli Armed Forces

Towards the development of a new self-propelled howitzer for the Israel Defense Forces by Elbit Systems Ltd. joins its US subsidiary, Elbit Systems of America. Additions to the agreement concluded on March 27, 2019 as part of the development program for the new self-propelled guns were made to the contract.

The cost of the new contract amounted to $ 200 million, the agreement is designed for 12 years. The primary contract between the Israeli Ministry of Defense and Elbit Systems was signed on March 27, 2019. Under the terms of the agreement, worth $ 125 million (460 million shekels), the company should develop a new self-propelled howitzer for the Israeli Ground Forces, which in the future will replace the American M109 tracked self-propelled guns.

As previously reported, the development of the howitzer began before the signing of the contract, and after a successful initial demonstration, the program moved to the prototype production stage and preparation for serial production. The contract also includes the supply of a simulator and 20 years of comprehensive service.

The new howitzer has not yet received a name, however, it is claimed that it is a "fully automated" system with a reduced number of calculations, automatic projectile selection depending on the target and automatic loading. Elbit Systems says the howitzer is based on the "know-how and experience" gained in the supply of artillery systems to the armies of other states.

It was assumed that the new system for the Israeli Armed Forces will be developed on the basis of the 155-mm self-propelled howitzer ATMOS, but will differ in a number of features.

The ATMOS modular wheeled ACS (Autonomous Truck Mounted Howitzer System - autonomous truck-mounted howitzer) was developed by Israeli company Soltam Systems (included with Elbit Systems since 2012 of the year). Caliber - 155-mm, barrel length - 39 / 45 / 52 caliber. It has mechanical drives of vertical and horizontal guidance, hydraulic (pulse) rammer to reduce the load on the calculation and increase the rate of fire. The firing range is 41 km, ammunition - 27-32 shot. Crew - 4 person.

Due to the modular design it can be installed on various chassis, previously demonstrated on the basis of Tatra T815 VVN 6 × 6.

Comments

[svp67]

Wheeled self-propelled guns are now on the rise ... I wonder when our defense industry will give a similar self-propelled gun to the mountain

[Victor_B]

Quote: svp67

Wheeled self-propelled guns are now on the rise ... I wonder when our military industrial complex will issue a similar self-propelled gun to the mountain

Our somehow stubbornly ignore this scheme.
One exception is the monstrous complex Beach.

[Zeev Zeev]

Could there be a problem in the absence of a chassis? Although it seems there are KAMAZ trucks of about the required class

[svp67]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Could there be a problem in the absence of a chassis? Although it seems there are KAMAZ trucks of about the required class

Yes, no, this is just the whole order, if there are more Urals, BAZs ...

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

And why goat button accordion, if it is already so fun? For compounds with tanks and other tracked vehicles, tracked self-propelled guns are needed so as not to differ in cross-country ability. For the rest, towed will probably be enough.

[svp67]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

For the rest, towed will probably be enough.

In modern conditions, there is already "little space" for the towed

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Yes, I don’t know ... It turns out like this - the main formation we have is a motorized rifle brigade, and it has a tank battalion, and BMP, so they need a tracked self-propelled gun. And towed ... this is for the Russian Guard, in theory they are enough.
However, this is IMHO, I do not pretend to the truth

[svp67]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

so they need a tracked self-propelled gun.

It would be nice, but they are expensive. Wheeled is cheaper and in price and content

[Lopatov]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

and BMP,

There are brigades on the armored personnel carrier. There are artillery brigades. requiring high operational mobility.

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

For the rest, towed will probably be enough.

The transfer time from combat to marching of the latest 2A65 with pulling openers reaches three minutes.
That is, in a collision with a normal enemy, it will be enough only for one fire attack.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Spade

That is, in a collision with a normal opponent

And on a normal opponent there should be tracked self-propelled guns. towed - it’s so ... against gangs. But, I repeat. I do not pretend to be true

[Lopatov]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

And on a normal enemy there should be tracked self-propelled guns

Or at a car base. In order to quickly build up the artillery grouping.

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

towed - it’s so ... against gangs.

And for airmobile units. Here, too, we have problems. Apart from the Nona-M1 mortar, there is nothing. And they save on it. No informatization. Which not only increases efficiency and combat stability, it makes artillery fire safer for its own.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Victor_B

Our somehow stubbornly ignore this scheme.

It would seem that it could be simpler and cheaper than installing a gun on a truck, but it wasn’t there. My personal opinion is that when fired from large-caliber guns, huge dynamic loads arise. Wheel technology is simply not designed for that. I believe that if so far, this has not been done, then the game is not worth the candle. . You say that there are many such samples in the world, but then their problems. Domestic designers of military equipment, probably know better. More than sure that such work was carried out both in the Union and in Russia. But if not, then no.

[Lopatov]

Quote: orionvitt

Wheel technology is simply not designed for that.

155-mm "Brutus".
Everything is solvable.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Spade

155-mm "Brutus".
Everything is solvable.

Yes, there are no questions, everything can be solved. As the saying goes, "a bad thing is not tricky." I repeat, since the Union and then in Russia did not take this into service, then there is a reason. I suppose the principle of "cheap and cheerful" does not work in this case.

[Lopatov]

Quote: orionvitt

I repeat, once in the Union and then in Russia, this was not adopted

Save.
They think that disposable 2A36 and 2A65 are much better. Well, the gunners ... they are free, women still give birth.

Russian artillery in a deep systemic crisis. Fact.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Spade

Save.

Let's go again. In terms of savings, this option is just the thing. What could be simpler and cheaper, fastened the gun on the truck, and the type is ready. Well it doesn’t work like that. At least in serious armies.

[Lopatov]

Quote: orionvitt

Well it doesn’t work like that. At least in serious armies.

Watching how to do it ...

[Hermit21]

Modernization of ACS, MLRS, introduction of any ASUNO, ROK, the work of which has already been appreciated by some here and there, the development of new artillery systems is called a "deep systemic crisis" only because there is no self-propelled gun on a wheeled platform? Well, OK

[Lopatov]

Quote: Hermit21

Modernization of ACS, MLRS, introduction of any ASUNO, ROK, the work of which has already been appreciated by some here and there, the development of new artillery systems is called a "deep systemic crisis" only because there is no self-propelled gun on a wheeled platform? Well, OK

https://m.tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/2020316439-G5awp.html?utm_source=m.tvzvezda&utm_medium=tagspagelinks&utm_campaign=newslink&utm_term=v1
Very interesting video.
There is nothing on it that would not have been under the USSR.
Ah, sorry, Chinese engineering calculator. Unsuccessful choice - freeze, it is often necessary to warm in the bosom

[Lopatov]

Quote: Victor_B

Our somehow stubbornly ignore this scheme.

2007 Uraltransmash patent RU2355977C1

[lucul]

Our for some reason stubbornly ignore this scheme

It has long been written about this - in a modern war - towed artillery is an anachronism. In battle, she will die very quickly, and primarily because of the drones, which are easy enough to find. At the moment, Russia, in towed artillery, is significantly superior to similar structures of the NATO bloc ....
The situation of 1941 is repeated, when we had significant superiority in tanks, and from this we built a doctrine, and when in the very first days of the war we lost 80% of all tanks due to the actions of enemy aviation, i.e. roughly speaking, the resources for the production of these tanks were thrown to the wind, due to miscalculations of command.
So with our towed artillery - will die very quickly. There is only one salvation - mobility and disguise .....

[Hermit21]

"Coalition-SV-KSh"

[Amateur]

when our military industrial complex will issue a similar self-propelled gun to the mountain

As soon as paved roads (except for paid Moscow-S-Petersburg) appear in Russia or as a result of global warming, everything will dry out to a state of semi-desert.

[Victor_B]

Quote: Amateur

as a result of global warming, everything will dry out to a state of semi-desert.

And to Arab brothers / Venezuelans / Persians and other Indians with the Chinese to sell?

[Amateur]

to the Arabs / Venezuelans / Persians and other Indians with the Chinese to sell?

There is already a Chinese SH-11.

[Victor_B]

Quote: Amateur

There is already a Chinese SH-11.

Russians are not afraid of difficulties!
It would be that.
Vparim!
May be...

[Insurgent]

I understand, completely off topic, but "sticking" the video, not where ... There is no topic about Italy, the virus ...

But it's worth seeing it.
Italian policemen pay their last respects to those killed by the coronavirus, whose bodies are transported by army trucks.

The number of deaths from COVID-19 in Italy on March 29 exceeded 10.

[Victor_B]

Quote: Insurgent

Italian policemen pay their last respects to those killed by the coronavirus, whose bodies are transported by army trucks.

I’ll pour myself and myself.
For the mention of the soul ...
(I’m sitting with snotite. Maybe that muck. They, the dogs, lowered the risk age from 70 to 65, otherwise I had to spend a whole year before such a car)

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Victor_B

I’m sitting with snotite. Maybe that muck

I will try to reassure you, they asked such a question to specialists they reassured, this rubbish is not exchanged for such trifles, it immediately creeps into the lungs. And what you just need to take on your chest and be HEALTHY!

[Same lech]

It is sad of course ... but we must live on and draw conclusions so as not to be in the same position.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: svp67

I wonder when our military industrial complex will give out "to the mountain" like an ACS

There is such a kid. Deripaska is called, when he is profitable from the "processing" of Soviet designs, then do not expect improvements /// glory, by the way to the Soviet workers, the equipment suitable for the country was supplied. BMP-3 is the song of Soviet tank building. all of ours, for the most part, in regiments and brigades, go there at your leisure with a holy candle. You will see Behi soviet and "blind" non-modornized tanks.

[Victor_B]

You are an interesting person!
Forgive me, but your lyrics give the impression of being VERY strongly "taken on the chest".
I somehow tried to write drunk, the next day I read and more than this crap do not suffer.

[Thunderbolt]

Well, what it seems to you is to the local psychiatrist. In essence, the problems voiced by me, are there any objections? If not, then do not clog the topic or write in a personal message.

[Victor_B]

Quote: Thunderbolt

Essentially the problems voiced by me are, what to object?

Understand that your texts are very uncomfortable to read.
You will turn your eyes.
In your browser that the spellchecker is not working or not connected?

[Thunderbolt]

Now I understand and apologize for your worries ... Great Russian, sorry to the ground .... No, I’m all inclusive, I just got a TBI at the dawn of the century, I even lay in a coma in the Podolsk glossary. it affects, maybe my style, and when it breaks down into an unrestrained storm, but it doesn’t come, just special memory properties ... forgive me generously

[Victor_B]

Quote: Thunderbolt

just at the dawn of the century I got a head injury, in a coma even lay

I sincerely sympathize ...
It’s just that sometimes people go to forums in drinking.
I apologize if my words were harsh.
But still try to edit the texts after writing.
It’s hard to read, and the thoughts are the same as mine.

[Same lech]

)))
I confess constantly
I pray for sobriety, yes, yes
And only some half a glass
I allow sometimes.
Eh, sometimes, eh, sometimes,
Oh, sometimes, sometimes.

And I confess frankly
Humble man, yes, yes
And I usually drink in the morning
In total, some two sips.
Eh, two sips, eh, two sips,
Oh, two sips, two sips.

[carstorm 11]

Well, we will decrease to the state of Italy for example. to use these roads.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

"There are no roads in Russia, only directions" (Napoleon Bonaparte)

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

"There are no roads in Russia, only directions" (Napoleon Bonaparte)

The road in Russia is a strategic factor. Yes .... the soldier said, uncorking an oiled jar of tushonka, but you won’t get anything .....--- NORMAL

[Same lech]

Where are there so many of them to dig in ?.

[svp67]

Quote: Amateur

As soon as paved roads (except for paid Moscow-S-Petersburg) appear in Russia or as a result of global warming, everything will dry out to a state of semi-desert.

Funny ... But what about this Swedish "Archer"

French "Caesar"

Czech "Dana"

Even the Cubans, that's what they did from the Soviet cannon and KrAZ

Serbs have NORA B-52, based on our KamAZ

And even we have "Phlox", but it is not a full-fledged SPG

[Lopatov]

Quote: svp67

And even we have "Phlox", but it is not a full-fledged SPG

??

[svp67]

Quote: Spade

??

Quiet, quiet ... don't scream. But this is NONA on wheels ...

[Lopatov]

Quote: svp67

But this is NONA on wheels ...

Rather "Vienna". But this is an SPG.

[svp67]

Quote: Spade

Rather "Vienna". But this is an SPG.

And what’s it bigger, mortar or howitzer?

[Lopatov]

Quote: svp67

And what’s it bigger, mortar or howitzer?

Howitzer.
Able to shoot cheap mortar mines. And somewhat limited in firing range. For the battalion artillery is normal, but above is already not enough.

[strannik1985]

Wheel self-propelled guns on the rise ...

Coalition-SV-KSh.

[Zaurbek]

Ours wanted to portray something with an armored pipe on Kamaz8x8 .... it didn’t grow together although the idea is beautiful, especially in long-barrel versions

[Zeev Zeev]

Purely to make it clear what kind of self-propelled guns are meant. ATMOS 2000 is already in service with seven states (Azerbaijan, Rwanda, Botswana, Cameroon, Thailand, Romania, Uganda), and another (Poland) is at the stage of adopting a licensed copy of local production.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Purely to make it clear what kind of self-propelled guns are meant. ATMOS 2000 is already in service with seven states (Azerbaijan, Rwanda, Botswana, Cameroon, Thailand, Romania, Uganda), and another (Poland) is at the stage of adopting a licensed copy of local production.

I don't like it. It's a pity that the Sholef program was closed.

For tank and heavy brigades, it is much more suitable.

[Same lech]

Why closed ???

[Zaurbek]

Because there is no one to fight already with such heavy brigades .... and the strength of the Israeli Air Force is above the whole environment.

[Zeev Zeev]

The Sholef was too expensive and heavy due to the Merkava chassis.

[Same lech]

And how was target designation planned for such howitzers? The range, as I understand it, is decent for heavy howitzers, and here we need a different target designation system.

[Zeev Zeev]

Artillery calculators and maps with marks for artillery did not come up yesterday. A quarter of a century ago, my acquaintance shot at 25-30 at relatively small targets (30x50 meters) with heavy losses from the enemy.

[Same lech]

The question is the response time of the enemy ... unless of course he is not stupid ....
I believe the Palestinians are not too serious an adversary for the IDF.)))

[Zeev Zeev]

There was no reaction from the enemy. Hezbollah survivors ran to hide in the village

[Same lech]

Enemy reaction did not have.
You're lucky

I would have come up with a couple of small dirty tricks on the site of hezbollons.

[Zeev Zeev]

They came up with it. For example, cities were shelled with Katyusha rockets.

[Zaurbek]

All the same .... plus UAV. They didn’t come up with anything new.

[knn54]

For land forces, especially Israel, there is no alternative to wheeled self-propelled guns.
For the Airborne Forces, the Marines are of course tracked.

[Zeev Zeev]

Israel’s ground forces have so far only used tracked self-propelled guns.

[askort154]

svp67 ...Wheeled self-propelled guns are now on the rise ... I wonder when our military industrial complex will issue a similar self-propelled gun to the mountain

Each sandpiper has its own swamp. I remember the video of how NATO troops in the exercises tried to land on a sandy beach with wheeled armored vehicles.
They buried themselves in the most "I can not", they run, fuss, but there is nothing to pull out.

[Thrifty]

Crew or crew? Or, and the driver
tractor or truck is also part of the crew?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Thrifty

Crew or crew?

2С19 crew of 5 people. Calculation of 7 people. Shell and charging are added from the ground.

[Oleg Olkha]

The Israeli wheeled SPG has little in common with existing ATMOS. The base is Oshkosh HEMTT and since Elbit has connected its American "daughter" (and hence the money from 3.8 billion annual aid), then the tests of the prototype tower, in the desert, are completed. Here "turtles" http://armor-il.blogspot.com/2018/09/future-israeli-howitzer-likely-to-be.html

[lvov_aleksey]

flag in their hands against our Coalition-SV
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/2%D0%A135

[lvov_aleksey]

Quote: askort154

svp67 ...Wheeled self-propelled guns are now on the rise ... I wonder when our military industrial complex will issue a similar self-propelled gun to the mountain
Each sandpiper has its own swamp. I remember the video of how NATO troops in the exercises tried to land on a sandy beach with wheeled armored vehicles.
They buried themselves in the most "I can not", they run, fuss, but there is nothing to pull out.

they did not fight like our grandfathers, they have paving stones, asphalt, etc.
ps and we can through the mountains, rivers, swamps, etc. (A. Suvorov or WWII remember) !!!