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Expert point of view: coronavirus is not the worst

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“Russia can have as many nuclear cases as you like, but since the 500 billion dollars of the Russian elite are in our banks, you can figure it out: is it your elite or is it ours?”

Z. K. Brzezinski, US Presidential Advisor on National Security


From the editors. We recommend that you familiarize yourself with this work, since its author, even if forced to act under a pseudonym, is a real expert, unlike many who demonstrate their opinion. Set out in this material makes us look differently at real threats to us. Yes, the article is presented specifically, but the time you spend reading, understanding and comprehending will be worth it.
Roman Skomorokhov


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The situation with the spread of COVID-19 in the Russian Federation and on the planet very sharply (even in peacetime, not to mention military time) raised the question regarding the ability of the state and society to organize and effectively respond to an urgent biological threat.

Today, the COVID-19 epidemic is developing in the Russian Federation in a relatively peaceful time, when our rulers can, with a view to gaining personal political points, help NATO countries in matters of anti-infection protection, and NATO countries do not seek to openly increase the scale of the spread of COVID-19 in the Russian Federation.

But do not forget that the NATO countries (at least their main core) are our geopolitical enemies, I will not be afraid of the word, from the “beginning of time”, to this day and for the foreseeable future, as long as they exist in their cultural tradition that we have not destroyed .

Against the background of an inflated soap bubble about the threat of COVID-19 to the entire world community and life on Earth, within the framework of this material, I would like to talk about another, much less noticeable, spreading for many years across our country and continuing to gain strength biological threat.

It will be about antibiotic resistance (insensitivity of pathogenic bacterial flora to antibiotics) and its economic and socio-political persons in the Russian Federation.

Today, the situation with both antibiotic resistance and the presence and prospects of the presence of effective antibacterial drugs in the Russian Federation is catastrophic.

The main problem is not even antibiotic resistance itself, but how monstrous it may sound that it was created and continues to consciously increase along with other drug problems by the authorities of the Russian Federation in close contact with the so-called business.

We are talking about activities in this vein of both the legislative and executive branches of the Russian Federation.

Already today, the situation with the “elites” imposing the healthcare of Russia through the authorities of the Russian Federation and the “business” that has grown together with them of the cheapest medicines and antibiotics, in particular, under the guise of the import substitution slogan, is in the long run a veiled attempt to systematically undermine the national security of the Russian state .

In the medium term, the continuation of such a policy poses no less threats to the existence of our country, which may unfold in an avalanche-like manner, unlike the first option.

For example, in the event of a military conflict of even moderate intensity, the Russian Federation runs the risk of suffering enormous losses not so much from direct hostilities as from the death rate of personnel from infections due to injuries.

Let's not forget that the personnel are, first and foremost, the most able-bodied and healthy young people, whose significant decline will even more rapidly throw the country into the demographic abyss without the slightest chance of ever escaping from there.

Also, one should not forget that the personnel in the Russian Federation are primarily Russians, with all the ensuing consequences for the Russian people in this country.

Actually, let's get down to business.

According to fig. 1, the cumulative resistance of the main causative agents of nosocomial (nosocomial) infections (nosocomial infections) in the Russian Federation ranges from 50 to 60%.

At the same time, our main opponents in North America and Western Europe, this figure does not exceed 30-40%, and in many of them it is at the level of 10-20%, as, for example, it looks in Canada, France or Germany.

It should be borne in mind that the total economic and production potential of the enemy is immeasurably greater than the corresponding Russian figure.


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It turns out that in Russia in 2018 only 40-50% of pathogens are sensitive to major antibiotics, the rest are insensitive.

In terms of people, this means that from concomitant infections, on average 50% of the wounded are at risk of dying, in fact there is a risk, which is significantly greater.

Pathogens of nosocomial infections (nosocomial infections) are primarily insensitive to antibiotics.

In wartime conditions, wound non-sterility, general unsanitary conditions, decreased immunity due to malnutrition and increased psychoemotional stress in personnel, as well as the need for varying degrees of prolonged hospital stay, any wound, with the exception of the lightest ones, is at risk of degenerating into a resistant infectious process against the background of a developed nosocomial infection. The clinical significance of nosocomial infections is difficult to overestimate, Fig. 2:


Fig. 2

As can be understood from Fig. 2, despite the fact that the frequency of sepsis with community-acquired pneumonia is higher than with nosocomial, the frequency of severe sepsis with nosocomial pneumonia is almost 3 times higher than with community-acquired pneumonia, the frequency of septic shock is more than 4 times higher.

Accordingly, both mortality and healthcare costs for the treatment of the effects of resistant nosocomial infections are significantly higher.

The current situation with nosocomial infections in the Russian Federation, according to Yakovlev S.V., president of the Alliance of Clinical Chemotherapists and Microbiologists, professor of the Department of Hospital Therapy No. 2, University Medical Therapy Clinic THEM. Sechenov, the following:

- the number of patients hospitalized annually in Russia is 30;
- the prevalence of nosocomial infections in Russian hospitals is 7,61%;
- in absolute figures, the estimated frequency of nosocomial infections is about 2 cases per year;
- The total economic damage caused annually by the NWI in the Russian Federation amounts to 300 billion rubles (5 billion US dollars).

It was indicated above that mortality due to nosocomial infections is significantly higher than against a background of a normal bacterial infection of the same localization caused by a non-resistant pathogen.

For a more complete understanding of the situation with infectious diseases in the Russian Federation, it makes sense to refer to a comparison of mortality data from these diseases between Russia and at least eight “new” EU countries: the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia and Slovenia, fig. 3:


Fig. 3

SCS is a standardized indicator of mortality.

Mortality from infectious diseases in the Russian Federation in 2016 is 3,6 times higher than in the "new" EU countries!

Considering that the actual figures for the prevalence of nosocomial infections in Russia are closed, taking into account the above data, I suggest the reader to independently estimate what the real possible numbers of deaths from nosocomial infections in the Russian Federation are, if mortality from infectious diseases as such in our country is 22,3 patients per 100 population .

There is a possibility that you can easily multiply by 3.

Some general information, fig. 4:


Fig. 4

And how are things with the at least some of these pathogens in the Russian Federation today?

Expert point of view: coronavirus is not the worst

Fig. 5

The main causative agents of nosocomial infections of the family of enterobacteria in Fig. 5:
1. Escherichia coli (E.coli).
2. Klebsiella pneumonia (K. pneumoniae).
3. Enterobacter (Enterobacter spp.).

Over a period of about 14 years (1997–2011), the resistance of enterobacteria to cephalosporins of the 3rd-3th generations in the Russian Federation increased almost 6 times, while the ability of representatives of this family to produce ESBL (extended-spectrum beta-lactamases, or BLRS) increased than XNUMX times, fig. XNUMX.

Due to beta-lactamase, the bacterium survives by cleaving an antibiotic directed against it.


Fig. 6

Cephalosporins of the III-IV generations along with carbapenems are the main antibiotics of a wide spectrum of action used in the Russian Federation.

The main palette of antibiotics and the frequency of their use in hospitals of the Russian Federation in dynamics against the background of an increase in antibiotic resistance, Fig. 7, 8:


Fig. 7



Fig. 8

How much the problem continues to remain relevant can be understood by comparing the research data of RIORITA (2009) and ERGINI, 2013:

“The presence of the III-IV generation cephalosporins and fluoroquinolones in the structure of the prescribed first-line antibiotics is surprising and certain concern (a total of 42,3%). Those. about 50% of patients with nosocomial infections receive inadequate therapy. ”


In fact, not only are nosocomial infections caused by resistant flora, they also try to influence this flora not somewhere, but in a hospital setting, they try antibiotics, which in most cases not only do not work against it, but also contribute to enhancing its stability !

Here it should be noted that we are not even talking about district hospitals, but about regional centers of subordination above. It is in hospitals of this level that patients with nosocomial infections are located.

The situation with the preservation of the prescription of those antibiotics, to which the majority of nosocomial infections are resistant, is already a question not so much of providing the hospitals of our country with adequate antimicrobials, but of the quality of the current medical education after brilliant government reforms.

The situation with enterobacteriaceae resistance to carbapenems (Fig. 9) looks a little better than with cephalosporins resistance shown in Fig. 5 (see above).


Fig. 9

Over a period of 9 years (2002–2011), the resistance of enterobacteria to carbapenems (depending on the representative) increased from 2,1 to 2,8 times, the ability to produce carbapenemases increased by 3,7 times.

The only antibiotic to which the acceptable sensitivity of enterobacteria is preserved is polymyxin E or its fellow polymyxin B, Fig. ten.

Moreover, not one of them is produced in the Russian Federation - it is only repackaged!


Fig. 10

* AMT - antimicrobial therapy.

After a comprehensive review of the situation with antibiotic resistance in the Russian Federation for this group of pathogens, it will not be superfluous to compare this situation with that of our sworn friends, according to the same indicator, Fig. eleven:


Fig. 11

H - sensitive; UR - conditionally resistant, P - resistant.

According to AMRmap data for 2015, the share of BLRS producers among enterobacteria in the Russian Federation is 80,28% (together with conditionally resistant flora), which is 3,35 times higher than in the USA!

Summarizing the data in Fig. 6, 9 and 11, to summarize:

1. In Russia, 2011-2012. the proportion of BLRS producers among enterobacteria was 78,2%, which is more than 3 times higher than in the United States over the same period.

2. In 2015, in the Russian Federation this share increased to 80,28%, exceeding the figure by 3,4 times relative to the United States, despite the fact that, according to AMRmap, the situation with resistance in the United States has not changed!

The share of carbapenem-resistant (CRC) enterobacteria in the Russian Federation is on average 8,4%, which is also higher than in the USA (7%), see Fig. 12.


Fig. 12

Among enterobacteria, Klebsiella is the most resistant to antibiotics.

The growth dynamics of Klebsiella resistance to carbapenems against the background of the use of generic copies instead of the original drugs is very curious:


Fig. 13

If in 2011, against the background of using the original carbapenems, the total resistance to them of K. pneumoniae in a particular hospital (St. Alexis Hospital, Moscow) was 6%, then in 2014 (in just 3 years (!)), When the share of generic carbapenems was more than 95% of their total number, K. pneumoniae resistance has become equal to 31% (resistance dynamics - more than 5 times!), Fig. 13.

Digression.

According to the data of the PROFESSIONAL MEDICAL ASSOCIATION OF CLINICAL PHARMACOLOGISTS OF ST. PETERSBURG, 2014:
“Generic drugs in Russia - about 70% of all drugs, including antibiotics. These are both “domestic” antibiotics and antibiotics from the “third world” countries, the effectiveness and safety of which raise a big question.
At present, we cannot control, and therefore, guarantee the quality of therapy with these drugs, especially in terms of safety. "

That's it.

For your information:
Currently, 98 INN (international nonproprietary name) of antibacterial drugs for systemic use, which have 755 (!) Trade names (TH), are issued in the amount of 8588 medicinal products (LP) by 240 companies Consulting Pharma, June 2018).

Above, we compared the situation in the Russian Federation with the “new” eight EU countries.

I can assure you, dear readers, that such bacchanalia with antibiotics are not observed in any of these countries, all the more so in the “old” EU countries, not to mention the United States.

But the business of elites is the business of elites, under the slogan of import substitution or in parallel with it. What is the business of the doctor’s needs or the patient’s real needs, read: the country's population? Which of the doctors or patients in our country needs the presence on the market of 16 trade names of the same INN - vancomycin?

Why not leave only three, as is done in the same EU or US?

Is it competition and a free market, or is there a poorly hidden desire to snatch another piece, even at the cost of the mediated genocide of the population of this country, under these already-worn-out mantras of the powers that be?

The data of the ASSOCIATION OF CLINICAL PHARMACOLOGISTS OF ST. PETERSBURG are completely consistent with the data of the HIGH SCHOOL, 2019, Fig. fourteen.

The general situation with the consumption of generic drugs in the Russian Federation in comparison with other countries:


Fig. 14

So, among all (!) OECD countries (Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development), the share of consumption of generic copies of medicines in the Russian Federation is 2,5 times higher in monetary terms and 1,6 times in kind in comparison with EU countries 88% in packages and 64% in money.

In this context, it is worth mentioning an article by R. Skomorokhov that was previously published on the VO “What will kill us? Well, definitely not the Tomahawks, where the causal relationship is clearly spelled out, to whom and for what reason it is beneficial that Russia consumes generics and that the growth in the number of these generics in our market is absolutely uncontrolled.

In fig. 14 dear readers can see the results of the implementation of this causal relationship in concrete, with fresh figures.

In this case, one can already clearly see the real scale of the disaster and at the same time estimate its prospects for the future, moreover, not projecting all this abstractly onto the hypothetical population of the Russian Federation, but extrapolating it specifically to itself and its loved ones, as, for example, R. Skomorokhov did it.

We have already mentioned the effectiveness and safety of generic drugs on the market of the Russian Federation above.

Let's continue.

Another causative agent of resistant nosocomial infection is acinetobacter, Fig. fifteen.


Fig. 15

Between 2002 and 2013 (11 years), A. baumannii's resistance to carbapenems (depending on the representative) increased from 6,3 to 11,8 times. The share of carbapenemase-producing strains of A. baumannii over the same period increased by more than 25 times (!).

Another problem associated with acinetobacter is the high frequency of the associated resistance of this pathogen to antibiotics of other groups.

Among A. baumannii extreme resistant (XDR) strains - 54%, pan-resistant (PDR) - 27%.

The only antibiotic to which the acceptable sensitivity of microorganisms of the A. baumannii family is preserved is polymyxin E or its fellow polymyxin B, Fig. 16. Once again I repeat, not one of them is produced in the Russian Federation - it is only repackaged.


Fig. 16

The share of carbapenem-resistant (CRC) of A. baumannii in the Russian Federation is 72,8% (1,2 times higher than in the USA: 72,8% versus 61%, see Fig. 17).

Considering the pace of resistance of A. baumannii, as well as the share of XDR and PDR of A. baumannii strains, it should be noted that the difference of 1,2 times between the Russian Federation and the USA is a very significant difference.

In its socio-economic consequences, it may be equivalent to a difference of 5 times for Pseudomonas aeruginosa.


Fig. 17


Pseudomonas aeruginosa bacillus Pseudomonas.

Between 2002 and 2011 (9 years), P. aeruginosa resistance to carbapenems (depending on the drug) increased from 1,2 to 2,3 times, Fig. 18. At the same time, the share of P. aeruginosa producing MBL over the same period increased 6,3 times, Fig. 18.

It should be noted that bacteria producing MBL are microorganisms that are most resistant to antibiotic therapy.


Fig. 18

And again, the only antibiotic to which the acceptable sensitivity of Pseudomonas aeruginosa containing MBL is maintained is polymyxin E or its fellow polymyxin B, Fig. 19.


Fig. 19

Fig. 20, resistance of Pseudomonas aeruginosa (not MBL) to:
- aminoglycosides - more than 60,2% (5,5 times higher than in the USA: 60,2% against 11%);
- cephalosporins of the III generation - 60,9%;
- IV generation cephalosporins - 58,9% (2 times higher than in the USA: 58,9% versus 28%);
- fluoroquinolones - 69,2% (2,1 times higher than in the USA: 69,2% against 33%);
- carbapenem - 77,4% (2,6 times higher than in the United States: 77,4% against 30%);
- piperacillin / tazobactam - 67,3% (3,5 times higher than in the US: 67,3% versus 19%).


Fig. 20

Staphylococcus aureus (Staphylococcus aureus) is another representative of the resistant microbial flora.

Staphylococcus is primarily an infection of the skin, soft tissues, heart and blood vessels, as well as bones and joints.

MRSA - a stable, poorly succumbing to conventional antibiotic therapy wound staphylococcal infection in all its glory.


Fig. 21

Until 2017, a steady increase in the proportion of MRSA was observed, Fig. 21, after which this trend began to decline. Nevertheless, the problem of resistant staphylococcal infections continues to remain relevant. Unlike the pathogens discussed above, staphylococcus is a gram-positive infection. Most often, vancomycin and linezolid are used to combat resistant gram-positive flora in our country.

Moreover, of the 15 companies selling vancomycin molecule in Russia under various trade names, Synthesis OJSC (Kurgan) is the only company, according to the data of the State Pharmacological Administration, which independently produces a pharmacological substance for the production of this drug. All other Russian manufacturers use Indian or Chinese substances.

The situation in our country is similar with linezolid.

Not so long ago, at the end of 2018, another drug for the fight against gram-positive infection appeared in the Russian Federation - Ortotsid (Kraspharma PJSC), INN-teicoplanin.

The whole charm of the situation is that PJSC “Krasfarma”, trying to add its teicoplanin to the formulary lists of hospitals and regions, cannot provide data even from registration studies! How teicoplanin PJSC "Krasfarma" was admitted to circulation on the territory of the Russian Federation, without having passed the registration studies necessary for this, one can only guess.

Accordingly, questions of the effectiveness and safety of this drug, which should be demonstrated in comparison with the original drug as part of a registration study, are hidden in the dark.

But at the same time, orthocide is sold on the Russian pharmaceutical market, and Kraspharma PJSC is actively promoting it in tenders for procurement by hospitals in order to treat severe and debilitated patients with resistant staphylococcal infection!

This is a drug for which there is no evidence of its safety, confirmed even in the registration study, not to mention post-marketing, and which can be dangerous even for healthy volunteers, not to mention exhausted patients with nosocomial infection!

How things are with the proven effectiveness of this drug, I believe readers themselves are able to think out.

Against the background of all of the above, the situation with scientific research in our country is curious, which, logically, should have been aimed at creating new drugs at least within the framework of the import substitution program.

What’s called, hello, our dear Chubais, hello, dear Skolkovo!

Russia in comparison with other countries in R&D in the field of drug development, fig. 22.


Fig. 22

R&D for new drugs in the Russian Federation amounts to 0,04% of GDP, which is 3 times less than in the “new countries” of the EU. Let me remind you that this is the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia and Slovenia.

We are not talking about a comparison with the United States: the difference is only 10% in percentages; in absolute terms, it is generally incommensurable.

The situation in Russia compared to the Republic of Korea, 2017, is shown in Fig. 23.


Fig. 23

Please note that the absolute figures of funds allocated in Russia for this direction are unknown, most likely classified.

It’s like with the real estate of our elites, just the opposite: there are mansions, but the Rosreestr is hidden from curious citizens who they belong to, and here there is a lack of money for the needs of citizens, but the extent of this absence is also carefully hidden from curious citizens.

Such is the care of the rulers about our psycho-emotional health and mental balance, such as “you know less, sleep better” and first of all you are not distracted from the main task of your existence - to create all kinds of benefits for them in the shortest possible time with minimal cost.

The results of the Korean R&D program in the field of drugs, 2017 look impressive, Fig. 24:


Fig. 24

Summing up the review of the situation with antibiotic resistance in Russia as one of the threats to the country's national security, it makes sense to once again recall the article “What will kill us?” Well, definitely not the Tomahawks.

This article mentions Kathrin Eban, author of "Bottle of Lies". There is a brief retelling of the contents of the book on the net: cm. here.

In this retelling for us as residents of Russia at the moment it is important not even that the substances for drugs are made not in our country, but in India or China, but that the worst quality goods are dumped from India and China to Russia along with with the most backward countries of Africa and, naturally, Ukraine.

The most disgusting thing is that all our “bonzes” are well aware of this and not only continue to cover this process, but in every way contribute to its expansion, in parallel and absolutely consciously, under the guise of ostentatious import substitution, blocking access to quality medicines to the country.

And here the question is not so much that the “bonzes” against the background of this process are actively filling their pockets, most likely this is a side effect, a kind of comforting prize for them to implement, but rather that through the process itself they perform a specific, say frankly, religious and ideological order.

What is the ultimate goal of this order is not hard to guess.

What Kathrin Eban says in his book is clearly demonstrated in Russia using the example of the hospital named after St. Alexy, owned by the Moscow Patriarchate (see. Fig. 13) and this is not in some distant past, but in the present!

This is Moscow, but what about the regions?

I draw your attention to the fact that the hospital is owned by the Russian Orthodox Church, therefore, it does not participate in government procurement and is not forced to buy the cheapest drugs!

How many deaths did this artificially generated antibiotic resistance produce only in this health care facility?

How many deaths did she give rise to and will give rise to where they are forced to buy only the cheapest drugs, because it says No. 44-FZ designed for "our good"?

The size of budgets for the purchase of drugs and the directions of their development in health facilities is a separate issue altogether!

I won’t even touch her here! Although all this is interconnected.

How many children were not born or died only before the 1st year of life from resistant infections due to non-working drugs or effective work of doctors from the “Topilin list”?

How many survivors of this age will die or become disabled afterwards, against the background of the accompanying carefully cultivated social ill-being?

How many survivors after this will be able to give birth and all the more fully raise their children?

What will be the proportion of these children compared to their previous surviving parents?

How many women, Russian women, primarily against the background of inflammatory processes and their chronicity, did not or will not become mothers?

Yes, just for this, expensive perinatal centers are being created in parallel, which, on the one hand, suck out huge amounts of money from the budget, pouring money in a large percentage of cases of the living dead, and on the other hand, they serve as a kind of picture for the people who care for those in power citizens with absolute futility in terms of maintaining and increasing real fertility in the country.

The fact that due to the work and creation of these centers is a serious enrichment of a certain circle of people and their close associates, I do not even mention.

Here, in fact, is the geometrical progression of the situation, designed to free the territories from the ideologically irregular bipedal biomass, its culture and everything connected with it.

Everything is absolutely environmentally friendly.

Why fight?

You just need to inherit!

And if you and I previously discussed a threat to national security in connection with possible hostilities, now, as you can see, simply due to the daily activities of the healthcare system of the Russian Federation and the hostilities it is not necessary for a large-scale deployment of this threat.

And this applies not only to the situation with medicines.

This is the national staff of doctors, this is the general education system and the medical education system, in particular, as its superstructure, and much more.

At the moment, the situation prevailing in Russia in the 20s of the XNUMXth century is being repeated: the planned large-scale (multi-way and diverse) genocide of the Russian people, simply by other methods, while not only no less, but much more effective, given their secrecy, effectiveness, as well as comprehensive profitability for interested parties, which motivates them to unlimited expansion of their activities in all directions against the background of a planned, approved and fully tangible gesheft.

The necessary afterword. For those who are fully acquainted with the material. The text is very heavy and abounds with many specific terms that are not characteristic of our publication. However, from the point of view of the expert (and the editorial board fully supporting him), this material is no less topical than the new samples weapons at "potential" opponents.

Moreover, today it is very difficult to say whether it is worse to fight: with non-modern weapons or with modern antibiotics. And from which there will be more loss.
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  1. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 30 March 2020 11: 13 New
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    Read. I understood a little. I drank a hundred grams. I realized that we are knocking at the bottom.
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      1. Shiva83483
        Shiva83483 30 March 2020 20: 47 New
        +1
        Brother, why do you not like Russians as a state-forming nation?
        1. Mishiko
          Mishiko 31 March 2020 01: 47 New
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          Quote: balunn
          Uncontrolled sale and the use of antibiotics leads to the fact that bacteria develop resistance to drugs. If you do not take urgent measures, this can lead to disaster.

          balunn (Cyril), antibiotics in Russia, for about 3 years or more, are sold in pharmacies only by prescription and therefore have been removed from the pharmacy window.
          1. Private89
            Private89 April 1 2020 08: 26 New
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            There are a number of questions to ask:
            Who destroyed the industry that can not produce the right amount of ventilation devices?
            Who optimized medicine by closing hospitals and infectious diseases hospitals?
            Who ditched the domestic drug industry?
            Who puts profit above the public good?
            Is a capitalist country capable of mobilizing for the benefit of society or does such a country live by the principle of my hut on the edge, will you die today, and I will tomorrow?
            Capitalism cannot answer a single challenge of our time, and this is clearly seen, since it is trying to do what is beneficial, and what is more beneficial for a narrow group of people, and not for the whole of society.
            But then, when the economy collapses, as the economic crisis is approaching along the way - similar to the great depression, our government will say that this is all a virus, it’s not us, it’s not us, 78000 factories and the factory that were closed in 30 years, it’s not we who killed the medicine, Education and science.
            No one will recall which country and which system grew at a tremendous pace when the entire capitalist world fell during the Great Depression?
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 31 March 2020 08: 31 New
          +1
          Quote: Shiva83483
          Brother, why do you not like Russians as a state-forming nation?

          I like it. In the USSR passport it was written - Russian. And now - it is not clear that some Russians are around.
          1. Shiva83483
            Shiva83483 31 March 2020 20: 24 New
            +1
            beat in the face .... and not in the passport ... drinks
    2. balunn
      balunn 30 March 2020 11: 38 New
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      This is what I understood.
      The uncontrolled sale and prescription of antibiotics leads to the fact that bacteria develop resistance to drugs. If you do not take urgent measures, this can lead to disaster.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 30 March 2020 12: 09 New
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        Yes, it’s not an uncontrolled sale, we consume antibiotics every day with poultry, pork. All major agricultural holdings use feed antibiotics that accumulate in meat. We are what we eat.
        1. lopvlad
          lopvlad 30 March 2020 12: 40 New
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          Quote: Ingvar 72
          every day we consume antibiotics with poultry, pork. All major agricultural holdings use feed antibiotics that accumulate in meat.


          the point is not to use antibiotics in poultry and animal husbandry (even poultry and calf with a piglet, we at least once give antibiotics during their growth, the same injections that the veterinarian injects when animals killed) and to produce slaughter of birds and cattle after after these antibiotics are completely eliminated from their body (usually several weeks). Most Russian meat producers comply with this.
          So your statement that we consume antibiotics with meat every day with meat is incorrect.
          1. astepanov
            astepanov 31 March 2020 12: 18 New
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            Quote: lopvlad
            So your statement that we consume antibiotics with meat every day with meat is incorrect.

            I agree with that. But the fact that animals fed with antibiotics themselves become a source of resistant microflora - this is a fact. And therefore it doesn’t matter whether antibiotics and meat come to our table: they have already done their dirty deed.
        2. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 30 March 2020 13: 24 New
          +6
          Every farmer uses antibiotics, not just large ones. And if agricultural holdings use drugs according to the technology, then the farmer often pours in by eye like "you can't spoil porridge with butter". Relatives are engaged in pig breeding, so I know what I'm talking about.
          1. sergey32
            sergey32 30 March 2020 14: 08 New
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            Yes now and in his garden nowhere without chemistry. If not processed, nothing will grow, or aphids will devour, or the disease will suffocate. This was not the case before. My uncle, an agronomist, did not process the dacha with any chemistry, he said: "They have enough for us," and he always had an excellent harvest, but now he abandoned it, gave up. Pests acquire resistance, they have to fight with more and more harsh means. Then we are surprised at the growth of oncology.
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              2. lis-ik
                lis-ik 30 March 2020 18: 04 New
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                Quote: Mishiko
                Oman Skomorokhov - Your propaganda gems have no place in the article! One bile and everything was gone. No need to keep readers IN "suckers"

                It is not Roman who keeps you for suckers, but a bunch of people who have grabbed hold of the power and natural resources of Russia. Regarding the corona virus, I hold the firm opinion that it is beneficial to those in power, and not only in the Russian Federation. The world economy is inflated with unsecured securities and deals for nowhere, many countries from among the "infected" experience, in addition to economic problems, also political ones. And here is the "saving" virus, like sanctions for our economic bloc. Note that the G-20 countries are mostly affected, and even then not all. Not heard about the eternally infectious Africa and other third world countries. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but here he is.
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                2. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 31 March 2020 11: 43 New
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                  Yes, coronovirus is beneficial to those in power - yes, only very dubious benefits come out for all the rich and all economies in the world, commodity sales are falling off. If, in all seriousness, you claim that the collapse of your own economy and enterprises is beneficial for owners and authorities, then you have a direct road to a madhouse.
                  1. lis-ik
                    lis-ik 31 March 2020 11: 51 New
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                    Quote: Vadim237
                    . If, in all seriousness, you claim that the collapse of your own economy and enterprises is beneficial for owners and authorities, then you have a direct road to a madhouse.
                    Reply

                    Their natural resources business is continuing safely and who, like federal networks not supervised by them, in the wake of a panic, has updated the balance of their groceries and long-term products. And the rest of them, as it did not care, continues. Moreover, I suggested that I do not impose my view on anyone. Although it’s very convenient once again to justify your lack of competence and greed.
                    1. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 31 March 2020 16: 27 New
                      0
                      Their natural resource business continues — only net profit has plummeted. And yes, your incompetence goes off scale - a businessman should never work at the expense of his business.
                  2. New Year day
                    New Year day 31 March 2020 12: 53 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    Yes, coronovirus is beneficial to those in power

                    and what is the savings in the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation! And there was no need to carry out a reform! After the virus, the number of pensioners will decrease sharply, and the dead are not needed
                    1. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 31 March 2020 16: 57 New
                      0
                      Moreover, here pension reform and coronovirus are poured into the PFR and so on from the budget and will continue to be poured in as some current and future pensioners did not pay contributions working in gray and black - and since our pension system is not an individual but a step-wise distribution PFR common boiler all the money received there is distributed among all who paid and did not pay contributions - all current workers provide pensions for current pensioners, and in turn, when they worked, they provide other pensioners - all your accumulated tions that were in the Soviet Union turned into an empty space in the 80th and 90th of the year - this at all miserable pensions. You can make the pension system individual without any common boilers - a person opens a savings account with an investment pegged at 13% per annum under state guarantees a person will put aside part of his salary to this account throughout his life - the grandmother is online everything is transparent and remove the maximum after exit say retirement 30u a month or in the event of a person’s death, the pension account will be transferred not to the general boiler, but to relatives, and all those who scored to send it to them XXX they say you didn’t make your contributions - and this will be done livo.
                      1. nickname7
                        nickname7 April 1 2020 09: 40 New
                        -2
                        . You can make the pension system individual without any common boilers - a savings account with an investment link of 13% per annum is opened for a person

                        This only works with a stable currency, for example, in the USA, and native Tugriks will burn for how much devaluations they will have to go under your bridge with your cheaper savings.
                      2. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 April 1 2020 19: 43 New
                        +1
                        And you will forgive me for paying in dollars in Russia and why they’ll burn it - from 2008 to 2020 they didn’t burn for two sharp crashes - and in deposits of 13% per annum, they will burn.
            2. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 30 March 2020 18: 30 New
              +1
              An article from the category - you can’t prevent, head)).
          2. Prometey
            Prometey 31 March 2020 10: 15 New
            +2
            Quote: sergey32
            This has never happened before.

            Yes, there were no caterpillars or aphids. Well, no need to tell such stories. In one of the 80s, there was an invasion of caterpillars in the Urals, all fruit trees gobbled up. Aphids and garden ants have been a nightmare of any gardener for over 50 years.
      2. Ilya-spb
        Ilya-spb 30 March 2020 20: 55 New
        11
        Verily. I myself am an expert on this issue. And I’m not hiding under a nickname.
        I am the author of works on replacing antibiotics in animal diets.

        I will say right away - there is a problem. There is a solution. Turn to scientists.

        But! In veterinary medicine, we can replace antibiotics, and even partially, only with state subsidies. This is an expensive pleasure.

        Alternative - we can stay hungry. We have the specifics of livestock production. It is large. For example, millions of chickens can sit on one poultry farm. One source of infection is epizootic and
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 31 March 2020 11: 34 New
        +1
        Well, it’s you who personally use such products where I overstock - nor any antibiotics of palm oil and other rubbish in meat, milk, cottage cheese, chocolate, etc., is not checked by an independent examination.
      4. user
        user April 2 2020 12: 11 New
        0
        every day we consume antibiotics with poultry, pork.


        What are you talking about, for your information - the whole world for a long time, and far from being in the first place, has been using antibiotics in breeding poultry, animals, fish. This is news for whom, recently former fellow citizens of the USSR, now citizens of Germany, came, so when they saw what fish we eat, I personally live far beyond the Urals, so they goggled. This is after all the Norwegian aqua farms, where even the color of fish meat can be ordered. So the problem of immunity to antibiotics is certainly acute, especially with regard to the hussar rhinitis - now it is very difficult to cure such a simple disease. But this is all lyrics, and the article was written under the slogan "Give us money," so the doctors were given, but there is no one to treat in the clinic, most of them are old fart. ... ... us, and young people do not take vacancies, no, and the old where to retire - long live a happy old age. In recent years, a huge amount of money has been thrown into modern equipment, but who will work, and service is generally a separate category.

        So this article is a call for another budget cut.
        By the way, all these references to some professors and academicians are not the conclusion of an expert commission that has access to this kind of data (by the way, most of the above are listed under the bar for business use).

        In the words of I.V. Stalin - Cadres decide everything.
        But we do not have a normal rotation of personnel, if you do not believe, look around or at least on TV, and there are all these strongly retirement age who are comfortable in the armchair, but they really do not retire. Rotation only on the basis of kinship or "strangers do not go here". All this does not concern the Kremlin service, but as I say on the ground everything is different.

        So even if the budget is connected to this business, I’m afraid that something like the Vostochny cosmodrome will turn out again. Why I wrote above.

        So this is another appeal. . . . . . . . . Well, come up with what for yourself.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 April 2 2020 12: 50 New
          0
          Quote: user
          about the hussar rhinitis - now curing such a simple disease is very difficult.

          I know, it was checked personally in due time. bully
          For the rest I agree. hi
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    4. astepanov
      astepanov 31 March 2020 12: 10 New
      +2
      I will add: the fact that money is the only thing that worries them for business is well demonstrated by the activities of the NPF Materia Medica Holding (Moscow). The line of "drugs" they produce, including Anaferon, does not contain any molecule of active substances, and at the same time costs a fair amount of money. Beauty: churn out pills from sugar and starch and get 300 rubles for a pack of homeopathic remedies. The roof of this crook is super reliable, “for the creation, introduction into production and medical practice of new highly effective drugs based on ultra-low doses of antibodies to endogenous regulators, for 2006 and 2007 by the decrees of the Government of the Russian Federation (No. 96 of February 20, 2006 and No. 12 of February 22, 2007) were awarded to employees of the Prize of the Government of the Russian Federation in the field of science and technology ”. And here you can see the government's fatherly concern for the swindlers. The attempts of the Russian Academy of Sciences to pinch the scoundrels met with fierce opposition from Gennady Onishchenko, who was at that time the chief sanitary doctor of the Russian Federation. So the matter died out: this brother would strangle himself for a penny, even if many lives are at stake.
    5. nickname7
      nickname7 April 1 2020 09: 32 New
      +1
      . This is what I understood.
      The uncontrolled sale and prescription of antibiotics leads to the fact that bacteria develop resistance to drugs.

      Not really. Not just uncontrolled use, but low-quality drugs and not those that are needed.
      The budget money, the elite does not invest in the development (R&D) of new drugs, but buys cheap and low-quality goods from India and sells them in Russia with a large amount. As a result, incurable diseases and an increase in mortality appear among the population.
      The situation is similar to replacing palm oil, quality products.
  2. Lannan Shi
    Lannan Shi 30 March 2020 12: 22 New
    16
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    . I realized that we are knocking at the bottom.

    Knock, yes, but from below.
    1. lwxx
      lwxx 30 March 2020 15: 40 New
      -6
      To the bottom, we, in this regard, are far away. If you have not taken a lot of antiviral tinctures, then try to analyze. Russia has been preparing for this for a long time - it threw off dollars (bought gold), bought a bunch of equipment and trained specialists. The centers that are being built in all regions, they are ready for equipment and personnel. We trained the National Guard, and finally - changed the government! Yes, Medvedev was removed, just because. that he would not cope with this problem. Unfortunately (or fortunately) not all information can be given.
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 30 March 2020 16: 40 New
        +1
        Quote: lwxx
        Russia has been preparing for this for a long time - it threw off dollars (bought gold)

        Come on, you won’t try to ride around your ears. Thanks in advance.
        1. lwxx
          lwxx 30 March 2020 18: 12 New
          +4
          Thanks for the answer. But you will poke yourself. With individuals trying to shield themselves with rudeness, experience has taught you not to engage in polemics. And as for the comments below - do not confuse medicine with methods of prevention and isolation. No one promised to treat. The task is to prevent the infection from spreading. Medicine
          just being created.
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          2. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 31 March 2020 12: 56 New
            +1
            Yes, I look, not only that a liar, but also a sneak.
      2. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 30 March 2020 16: 43 New
        +6
        Quote: lwxx
        Centers that are built in all regions, they are ready for equipment and personnel

        Is it sad that with medicine we have officially recognized the authorities themselves and the health workers were on strike last year, and scandals in medicine are such a cunning plan?
        1. mejik
          mejik 31 March 2020 22: 25 New
          0
          Izzy, are you crap here already? Up to half a colonel guessed, though.
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 April 12 2020 08: 27 New
            -1
            Hello and you are an effective foreman. How's your rotten little business? Still not covered in connection with a coronary crisis?
      3. Mastrer
        Mastrer 30 March 2020 20: 44 New
        0
        Gently spreading dear. That's just no one threw off the dollars, but on the contrary bought, and when the ruble dipped to 80 gold and gold reserves grew by 2 trillion in one fell swoop. That's what they were preparing for - I can believe ...

        The rest is some kind of fantasy. What other centers are there in the regions, when in the regional hospitals there is no corny full staff of doctors. Parents live in the district center (15k people), there has been no ENT for two (!) Years in the Central District Hospital. Where are your trained specialists?

        And as for the government, it is locked up by the very fact. If she herself had not retired, there was a considerable chance that he would be sent to the wall after the assault on the Kremlin. And so at least temporarily defused the situation.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 31 March 2020 11: 54 New
          -2
          At least hospitals are being built and equipment is being bought in the Minvody; they will build a medical cluster on an area of ​​250 hectares for 1700 doctors and 17 more like that across Russia, if their doctors aren’t enough, they will be invited from abroad, 30% of drugs are produced in Russia what is striving for. And at the expense of the mass of the dollar in the gold and foreign currency reserves - they were just dropped part by replacing them with the euro and the yuan.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 31 March 2020 12: 58 New
            10
            Quote: Vadim237
            At least hospitals are built and equipment purchased

            why then destroyed them?

            Quote: Vadim237
            if their doctors are not enough will be invited from abroad,

            what will you pay with import? Why have Russian doctors been cut? They didn’t want to pay their rubles, now they are ready to pay in foreign currency? Wrong, it's from a big mind request
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 31 March 2020 17: 12 New
              +1
              Probably because a lot of people left the towns and villages from the 90s and all these settlements ceased to exist - accordingly, hospital schools and other institutions disappeared with them. All crowded into medium and large cities and their suburbs. They spend so much on social programs in Russia - 5 trillion every year, they throw an additional trillion on pension plus maternity capital plus infrastructure construction of the same hospitals; equipment purchase and so on; the country has no sea - there are other areas where you need at least money - without optimization how the money for this will not be drawn from where to get it again from the increase in taxes - so everyone yells that they are already so high.
  3. Old partisan
    Old partisan 30 March 2020 12: 23 New
    10
    He sat reading and rolled 200, it didn’t get any more a bit and in hospitals they will treat with aspirin for everything ... Chinese from the market in Urumqi
  4. Uncle Izya
    Uncle Izya 30 March 2020 12: 26 New
    15
    NU In the 60th year of the USSR, the world and the country were saved from smallpox by 3 dead people; only everything instantly blocked people into quarantine, they did not even understand what was happening, including the American
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 31 March 2020 11: 57 New
      +1
      Considering that the USSR had a lot of vaccines from smallpox and the disease itself had been studied far and wide by this time, it was not difficult to eliminate the epidemic.
  5. maidan.izrailovich
    maidan.izrailovich 30 March 2020 12: 39 New
    -13
    Little understood. Drank one hundred gram. Got itthat we are knocking at the bottom.

    Maybe you should go to a narcologist? If the "concept" comes only after a hundred grams. Alarm bell.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 30 March 2020 13: 32 New
      +6
      Quote: maidan.izrailovich
      If the "concept" comes only after a hundred grams.

      My concept didn’t come. Painfully specific terms are described. But I'm not in medicine. And leave your calls, I have Achas playing. laughing
  6. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 30 March 2020 12: 41 New
    23
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    I realized that we are knocking at the bottom.

    Quote: Lannan Shi
    Knock, yes, but from below.

    good good
    First, Western “values” were imposed: grub “to the belly” and clothes with “lace” and “labels”. It turned out that the products do not nourish, but are being raped by Russian organisms, causing obesity, infertility and phlegmatism. Diluted life with gadgets that replaced real communication. They surrounded the “Russian reservation” with biological laboratories and, destroying domestic pharmaceuticals, treated with drugs that do not fight viruses, but enter into a “partnership” with him.
    This is not the bottom ... It is more like a coffin lid, which is useless to knock on.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 30 March 2020 13: 02 New
      -7
      Do you shove harmful products by force in your throat? We dig fat in tons, and then we are surprised atherosclerosis. Floury and sweet - wagons and where do we get excess weight, I can’t imagine. Real communication? Well, yes, real communication is especially relevant now. Well, remember what drugs were most effective in the USSR? Indian, Hungarian, GDR, and if you can get it - Western.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 30 March 2020 13: 33 New
        +1
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        Well, remember what drugs were most effective in the USSR?

        Citramon So that.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 30 March 2020 13: 58 New
          +2
          Aspirin + caffeine + paracetamol or analgin = citramone. Undoubtedly a high-tech drug.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 30 March 2020 14: 01 New
            +2
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            Undoubtedly a high-tech drug.

            Heh, they write that Coca-Cola is made from cockroaches. This is where technology is high.
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 30 March 2020 14: 18 New
              -2
              As for Cola, I don’t know, but they add worms to mezcal.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 30 March 2020 14: 25 New
                +2
                Okay, laughter with laughter, but at our enterprise "Novomoskovskbytkhim" someone did not warm their paws sickly. Procter Gamble ...
                1. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. 30 March 2020 14: 39 New
                  -2
                  Why is Procter Gamble so bad? Its products are quite imagined. Washing, soap and soap, Brown, Vest, baby care products - high-quality products.
                  1. IS-80_RVGK2
                    IS-80_RVGK2 30 March 2020 16: 46 New
                    -1
                    Maybe then we will appoint the Procter & Gamble leadership instead of our government?
                  2. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 30 March 2020 18: 16 New
                    +2
                    Quote: AS Ivanov.
                    Why is Procter Gamble so bad? Its products are quite imagined. Washing, soap and soap, Brown, Vest, baby care products - high-quality products.

                    Yes, nothing is bad. Only now they have replaced our "myth", Lotus and Crystal. I can tell you how it was.
                    1. AU Ivanov.
                      AU Ivanov. 30 March 2020 18: 28 New
                      -1
                      Well, Ariel and Tide are much better than Myth and Lotus, any mistress will tell you this. So that they did the right thing, that they replaced.
                    2. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 30 March 2020 18: 32 New
                      -1
                      Quote: AS Ivanov.
                      Well, Ariel and Tide are much better than Myth and Lotus,

                      Which is better?
                    3. AU Ivanov.
                      AU Ivanov. 30 March 2020 18: 40 New
                      +2
                      It washes better, at a lower dosage, my wife told me. And she added, as a doctor - less allergenic.
                    4. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 30 March 2020 18: 44 New
                      -6
                      Quote: AS Ivanov.
                      And she added, as a doctor - less allergenic.

                      Lie.
                    5. AU Ivanov.
                      AU Ivanov. 30 March 2020 18: 53 New
                      -1
                      Well, yes, you and Lada are better than Toyota and Vyatka-automatic are cooler than washing machines from Bosch and Horizon are better than Samsung. It’s ridiculous.
                    6. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 30 March 2020 18: 59 New
                      +1
                      Quote: AS Ivanov.
                      Well, yes, you and Lada are better than Toyota and Vyatka-automatic are cooler than washing machines from Bosch and Horizon are better than Samsung. It’s ridiculous.

                      You may not believe it. But, yes, Horizon was better than Samsung
            2. Tatyana Pershina
              Tatyana Pershina 31 March 2020 09: 35 New
              0
              The comparison is incorrect. It is impossible to compare the drugs of the formulation of thirty years ago and modern ones. Procter with gambling turned a modern (at that time) enterprise into a "tea-packing" factory. True, modern.
  • AUL
    AUL 30 March 2020 12: 54 New
    +4
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Read. I understood a little.

    Similarly. The article is designed for the pros, and a layman can not understand a quarter of buzzwords.
    SYLVESTERay! Can you, as a doctor, translate the essence of the article for us sinners in simple words? hi
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 30 March 2020 17: 33 New
      +5
      Guys, everything is clear, there are even drawings in the article. For example, three times more people die from infectious diseases in Russia than, for example, in Poland or among the "hated" Balts. Or again: for 3% of the drugs we sell, it is impossible to guarantee not only their effectiveness, but even safety for people.
      My conclusion: maybe this is why our mortality exceeds birth rates.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 31 March 2020 12: 05 New
        0
        Yes, that's just the coronavirus statistics that something with yours "In Russia, 3 times more dies from infectious diseases" is quite the opposite.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 31 March 2020 13: 00 New
          +6
          Quote: Vadim237
          Yes, that's just the coronavirus statistics that something with yours "In Russia, 3 times more dies from infectious diseases" is quite the opposite.

          unless you interfere with these statistics. Among those killed in Nord-Ost, not a single one was diagnosed with Poisoning
          Chemistry is on and now - don't even doubt it
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 30 March 2020 14: 17 New
    +3
    When we sank to the bottom, we were knocked from below.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 1 2020 19: 45 New
      0
      It is only your personal problem that you have sunk to the bottom - make a jerk and emerge like polystyrene foam.
  • NordUral
    NordUral 30 March 2020 16: 17 New
    +4
    Read. I understood a little.
    I realized that it would not be necessary to fight with us soon. One or two coronavirus attacks, or some rubbish to work out attacks and kayuk!
  • NF68
    NF68 30 March 2020 16: 59 New
    +2
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Read. I understood a little. I drank a hundred grams. I realized that we are knocking at the bottom.


    And if you still drink grams that way 300-400? As if the secrets of the universe are not revealed.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 30 March 2020 18: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: NF68
      And if you still drink grams that way 300-400? As if the secrets of the universe are not revealed.

      I am already persuading a liter. Where are the secrets?
      1. NF68
        NF68 31 March 2020 16: 39 New
        0
        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        Quote: NF68
        And if you still drink grams that way 300-400? As if the secrets of the universe are not revealed.

        I am already persuading a liter. Where are the secrets?


        This means that this tool does not "take". Or you have reliable immunity for this matter.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 31 March 2020 16: 42 New
          +1
          Quote: NF68
          Do you have reliable immunity to this matter?

          I’m persuading the second liter ...
          1. NF68
            NF68 31 March 2020 17: 02 New
            0
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            Quote: NF68
            Do you have reliable immunity to this matter?

            I’m persuading the second liter ...


            Is it bad or good?
  • antivirus
    antivirus 30 March 2020 17: 30 New
    -1
    knocking bottom.

    - top or bottom?
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    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 30 March 2020 18: 21 New
      0
      Quote: Mobius
      under the supervision of doctors of course ..

      Nafig-nafig ... They are all evil.
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        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 30 March 2020 18: 53 New
          0
          Quote: Mobius
          It seems to be a normal operation and such a result ..

          My dad runs around with the pipe and yells like a fool. What does it matter to him what to fill? No, give him "Khortitsa"
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            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 31 March 2020 16: 45 New
              +1
              Quote: Mobius
              And what is "Khortitsa" ..?

              Vodka is like that. Soft. Yes, I’ll fuck him in the navel.
  • smart ass
    smart ass 31 March 2020 07: 39 New
    0
    Article by niochem. Coronovirus soap bubble where such infa? Immediately the question to the author is how often in your life have authorities quarantined the country?
    1. Sergey777
      Sergey777 31 March 2020 18: 32 New
      +1
      Eh Vasily, Vasily, the poor of you clever man however. The article is not about coronavirus but about antibiotic resistance, read carefully before air spoil. And why the author so called one he knows, maybe he thought the headline was more sensible and the people revered, but delved into. But no. But the topic is very serious and problematic.
      1. smart ass
        smart ass 31 March 2020 21: 56 New
        +1
        I read to the moment where the coronovirus is a soap bubble, with which I strongly disagree, why should I read further nonsense?
  • siberalt
    siberalt April 3 2020 08: 35 New
    0
    In my time, boys up to 12 years old were running barefoot in the yards, they ate and did not wash wild berries and fruits, nobody washed licorice, grasshoppers, wild onions, garlic, and not much of the earth grew. Well, there was diarrhea for a day or two. But this was not a system, so, isolated cases. They caught a cold, of course, but no one was in the hospital and no one was dying.
    And in the 90s grub came from the West with all its charms for the countries of the 4 world: starch, soy, bone meal and countless additives with the letter "E" with a number. The medicine was also imported for the people, but it did not cure anyone. Think of total counterfeit and generics. I agree with the author that the immunity of our people is being killed quite purposefully. And import substitution in the form of products is no different from the previous Western ones for the aborigines from the 4 countries of the world. hi
  • Svarog
    Svarog 30 March 2020 11: 14 New
    16
    And if you and I previously discussed a threat to national security in connection with possible hostilities, now, as you can see, simply due to the daily activities of the healthcare system of the Russian Federation and the hostilities it is not necessary for a large-scale deployment of this threat.

    It’s different reality ... rather than in the federal media .. Only there are breakthroughs .. and the reality is very sad .. which is what the majority of thinking commentators write about here ..
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 30 March 2020 11: 21 New
      -15
      but in essence the question will be thoughts?)))) abstract your dissatisfaction is in almost every branch, but in fact I have never met)
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 30 March 2020 11: 26 New
        14
        Quote: carstorm 11
        but in essence the question will be thoughts?)))) abstract your discontent there is almost every branch

        How displeased you are! Why are you pointing people? Parenting is lame?

        But in fact the issue, I completely agree with Vladimir! Coronavirus spread is higher than official statistics. Even Sobyanin said this to Putin (not everyone does the tests)!

        My child is sick now. No one is going to do a diagnosis of acute respiratory infections. The doctor’s wife is outraged!
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 30 March 2020 11: 35 New
          -3
          am I unhappy?))) I just asked a question. I can’t comment on this because it’s not in the subject, and for this reason, essentially written, I have no questions. but I can pull out a piece of the article just like you and use it to slog another slogan) but I don’t do this)
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 30 March 2020 11: 40 New
            13
            Quote: carstorm 11
            I just asked a question

            And it looked like edification! Like this one:
            Quote: carstorm 11
            I, like you, can snatch a piece of the article and, on its basis, slogan another slogan) only I don’t do this)

            Do not do well done! And why do you impose your own model of behavior on others? After all, nobody asked your advice.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 30 March 2020 11: 45 New
              -8
              Well, just like I didn’t ask you to scold me, especially when I didn’t contact you initially) an amazing ability to criticize and at the same time do the same thing. It’s like telling a stranger in a bar something to say that alcohol is poison)
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        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 30 March 2020 12: 13 New
          10
          Quote: Stas157
          nobody is going to do tests.

          Yes, they were purchased only 200 thousand, and as always friends of GDP are in the subject - the company affiliated with Rotenberg is engaged in the production of tests. Together with the Japanese.
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 30 March 2020 11: 29 New
        +9
        Quote: carstorm 11
        but in fact I have never met)

        But essentially, about 70% of the drugs are imported.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 30 March 2020 11: 37 New
          -9
          but there are countries in which all their medicines?)
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 30 March 2020 11: 44 New
            +2
            Quote: carstorm 11
            but there are countries in which all their medicines?)

            Somehow at the beginning of the zero they showed one American. Journalist. He compared medicine. So, for the pill that an American pays a hundred bucks, Cuba costs five cents.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 30 March 2020 11: 57 New
              -6
              Well, what does the amount of foreign drugs have to do with it? I lost the thread.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 30 March 2020 11: 59 New
                +8
                Quote: carstorm 11
                and what does the amount of foreign drugs have to do with it? I lost the thread.

                Are you in kind, crazy? Medicines are one of the components of state security.
                1. Mestny
                  Mestny 30 March 2020 12: 30 New
                  -5
                  Well, and how is Cuba doing with state security?
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 30 March 2020 13: 28 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Mestny
                    Well, and how is Cuba doing with state security?

                    I don’t know how with safety, but with medicine they are all normal. Although with security, too. How many times did Fidel try to eliminate?
                    1. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 31 March 2020 12: 11 New
                      0
                      If now the United States wants to take Cuba by the drawbar, they will do it at the click of a finger - by the way, about the security of this state and the integrity of sovereignty.
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 31 March 2020 13: 28 New
                        0
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        If now the United States wants to take Cuba by the drawbar, they will do it at the click of a finger

                        They have long taken them by the drawbar.
                      2. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 31 March 2020 18: 27 New
                        +1
                        Not yet taken.
          2. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 30 March 2020 13: 26 New
            -8
            With Cuban pills and the benefits were five cents.
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 30 March 2020 12: 14 New
          +2
          Quote: carstorm 11
          but there are countries in which all their medicines?)

          Of course, it’s not from Mars that they are brought to earth.
        3. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 30 March 2020 12: 15 New
          +7
          Quote: carstorm 11
          but there are countries in which all their medicines?

          There is Korea.
          1. Mestny
            Mestny 30 March 2020 12: 30 New
            -19
            Great example.
            All local communists go there. They will like it.
            1. 2 Level Advisor
              2 Level Advisor 30 March 2020 13: 03 New
              +9
              And where does the Communists?
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 30 March 2020 13: 40 New
              +1
              Quote: Mestny
              All local communists go there. They will like it.

              Somehow we sent a couple of cars to Cuba. Well, over the seas, oceans, the casing collapsed there. And I glued it.
              - Vova, we will send you to Cuba!
              - Yes with pleasure...
              They didn’t send it, bad people ...
              1. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. 30 March 2020 19: 08 New
                -1
                Soviet cars were? Then it is no wonder that the skin flew off. I have a brother, while I drove Patrick from the salon to the house, I also lost half of the interior trim. Glued too.
            3. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 30 March 2020 17: 45 New
              0
              Well, you are somewhere in a bright capitalist paradise in Haiti.
      3. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 30 March 2020 13: 05 New
        -8
        But in essence: one Bayer company invested 4 times more in the development of new drugs than all pharmaceuticals of the USSR.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 30 March 2020 13: 41 New
          +2
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          But in essence: one Bayer company invested 4 times more in the development of new drugs than all pharmaceuticals of the USSR.

          Bullshit. Figures and facts call.
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 30 March 2020 12: 48 New
      +6
      Quote: carstorm 11
      but in essence the question will be thoughts?))))

      You, probably, wassat
      fool What feasts can be during a plague? What can be Russia's dependence on drugs manufactured in NATO countries? Thoughts on the heart of the matter are sentences, you say? Which ones do you need: rationalization or official? Rationalization is not so painful and offensive as the official ... Radical measures have long been needed here. Today Nastya in the bakery asks:
      “Are you not afraid of the virus?” (Masked herself)
      Why be afraid of him? There are still no masks in the pharmacy ...
      1. sso-xnumx
        sso-xnumx 31 March 2020 11: 09 New
        +1
        Quote: ROSS 42
        “Are you not afraid of the virus?” (Masked herself)
        Why be afraid of him? There are still no masks in the pharmacy ...

        And the virus knows that it is impossible to penetrate through the mask ????
    3. Svarog
      Svarog 30 March 2020 13: 13 New
      +7
      Quote: carstorm 11
      But in essence the question will be thoughts?

      I would like to listen to your thoughts .. what actually will you say, how will you uphold the power, which for 30 years has not been able to worry ... in this case, about the drug safety of the Russian Federation? Or didn’t you understand that 98% of our medicines are made on the basis of imported components? And if we are denied the supply of medicines .. you will treat your children with something .. If you are not here for the money .. then think about it ..
      1. nikvic46
        nikvic46 30 March 2020 20: 49 New
        +4
        Vladimir: Import components are used by many countries. It's all about good faith. NO-SHPA-should have anesthetic action in the mouth. Vitamins "Undevit" -the characteristic smell of thiamine. This is not. So this is either counterfeit, or some kind of rural office. Don't hold us for fools.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 30 March 2020 11: 44 New
    +8
    They write, but in general, with a priority on the military aspects of the problem.
    Unless everyone remembers that modern INDUSTRIAL food products are not exactly what you need to eat in order to maintain their health.
    And remember how it was in the USSR. Later, however. Although even then, when implementing food programs, it was applied, it was applied, something that was not worth consuming .... it was not mentioned, but it was much less, that's for sure.
  • maidan.izrailovich
    maidan.izrailovich 30 March 2020 12: 47 New
    -9
    ... and the reality is very sad .....

    Maybe you live in parallel reality? What is your sadness there? crying
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 31 March 2020 12: 08 New
    0
    She is your fictional reality will always be sad for you.
  • Finches
    Finches 30 March 2020 11: 14 New
    +2
    I barely mastered it and even I won’t lie - I didn’t understand anything, but it seems like we all will die as a result of national betrayal! So this is the historically established Russian national fun for more than one century! laughing
    1. Ptolemy Lag
      Ptolemy Lag 30 March 2020 12: 14 New
      22
      Briefly, in Russia 98% of drugs are stamped into tablets from imported raw materials, in the 90s, almost 100% of factories producing substances were destroyed. If the country is cut off the supply of substances for medicines, then there will be nothing banal to do from them. Most antibiotics in the Russian Federation have high resistance, i.e. For example, you have pneumonia, antibiotics are prescribed for you, and the bacterium that caused pneumonia is not sensitive to the antibiotic.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 31 March 2020 12: 16 New
        0
        How will their deliveries to Russia be blocked? The main producers of all substances in the world are China and India. What are the products and components that Russia has blocked over the past 10 years?
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 30 March 2020 12: 24 New
      13
      [quote = Zyablitsev] I barely mastered it, and I won’t even lie - I didn’t understand anything, but it seems like we all will die as a result of national betrayal! [/ quote]
      And bureaucratic lawlessness. [quote] This is what the KP writes Here is the head of Tambov, Natalya Makarevich, for the fact that she flew abroad to rest at the height of the coronavirus epidemic, she will receive a bonus of 400 thousand rubles, two official salaries. Local Tambov deputies voted for this. 24 for, against 2 against. [/ Quote. Natalia Makarevich flew to Vietnam on March 16, that is, three days after the World Health Organization declared Europe the new center of the COVID-19 pandemic. But the GDP is broadcasting "sit at home." So you can fight with windmills endlessly, we will not destroy the mess.
      1. Finches
        Finches 30 March 2020 13: 08 New
        -2
        A woman, even though she’s a deputy, she’s still a woman - her thinker doesn’t work as she did for people - if she decided to go to a resort, then not a single epidemic with air defense will stop her ... Local deputies who voted for the award are another thing - but as I understand it , everything was already painted there, to whom how many and only two people threw, or maybe they deprived of the prize, because they had not correctly voted before ... Democracy! laughing
        If we recall Saltykov-Shchedrin, then the fools in Russia have been in store for a hundred years ... though the writer did not know that in the twenty-first century most of them will be pickled by all kinds of Dumas and legislative assemblies ... laughing
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 30 March 2020 17: 53 New
          +4
          Quote: Finches
          A woman, although she is a deputy, she’s still a woman - her thinker doesn’t work like people

          That is why a woman should give birth and bring up children, and follow the family hearth, and not climb into deputies and mayors.
          1. Finches
            Finches 30 March 2020 18: 00 New
            +1
            Now we are feminists and tolerains zamusuyut - me already pushed! laughing
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  • AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 30 March 2020 11: 18 New
    +5
    I read from the fifth to the tenth, but I feel that everything is very smart. Even the afterword did not help. I’ll rest a bit, maybe then ....
  • My address
    My address 30 March 2020 11: 20 New
    25
    "The pandemic has taught us lessons that we must learn. There are goods and services that need to be taken out of the control of the market. Nutrition, medicine, health, safety, lifestyle - these are aspects that it is insane to give to third hands!" - Emmanuel Macron, President of France
    And we are not ready for any epidemic. I went to pharmacies - there are no remedies against coronavirus, there are no recommended drugs. I called friends, they have the same. With doctors in my Urals, a disaster. If a small wound is putrefied, go for a fee for 5-8 thousand rubles. For doctors in clinics paramedics. Doctors at paid centers. And judging by the article, the situation is even worse.
    1. mole
      mole 30 March 2020 12: 39 New
      +8
      It's been a disaster for so long. Physicians in district hospitals only distribute referrals to regional hospitals. At the same time he said: "They will cure you there." We have already called such "doctors" - paramedics with veterinary education.
    2. grad2308
      grad2308 30 March 2020 12: 45 New
      13
      Regarding domestic effective drugs that little is developed I agree. Example - Far Year 1997 I work as a linear foreman at a construction site. The temperature was 36,8-37,2 Celsius, an increase in the evening, weakness in the body, periodic sweat. I went to the local doctor in the morning with a temperature of 36,7 and the phrase "don't fool your head." In general, I work for a week, drafts, editing horizons on the floors. After a week I go to the doctor and demand a referral to fluorography (we have a ban on it in connection with the radiation zone), with increased tones I get in the morning and leave for work. In the evening, the district police officer in "horror" resorts to his mother with the requirement to go to the hospital (diagnosis of radicular pneumonia). I pack my things, upon arrival at the hospital I faint, immediately on a drip, in general, Alexander Gordeevich "pulled me out". Of the drugs, penicillin and a special list of claforan 1 ampoule. The wards are "packed" - beds are in the corridors. Penicillin A doesn’t help much, the head doctor (and he’s the son of my mother’s friend) lowers his eyes that Klaforan is needed (but he’s not in the supply of medicines and one ampoule will not help). Mom and Dad raise the whole city on their "ears" and it is good that an acquaintance (at that time already retired) worked as the head of the city's central pharmacy. In general, they find the packaging - the price tag at that time is astronomical, but due to the fact that the radiation. the zone is free. Syringes, droppers - this is already bought at their own expense. In general, he stayed in the department for 1,5 weeks, Alexander Gordeevich went on vacation, and his deputy. the next day, 75% of patients are discharged abruptly. In general, I am leaving again to work on a construction site - overhauling. Years later, in a conversation with Alexander, about the deputy ...., it was necessary to contact above, as deputy. violated all treatment methods by time. Those. There is a Doctor with a capital letter, and there is just an employee. PS Alexander Gordeevich G. they put him in charge of the central polyclinic, and he works honestly and none of the patients could say a bad word. But, as usual, they were "set up" - moreover, an employee of a security agency, for not sending his healthy child to Cuba (then the Cuban government practiced helping children from glad. zones). And Alexander tried to send children from low-income and difficult families. Strange as it may seem, representatives of the LDPR helped to get out of the pre-trial detention center. And they removed Alexander, most of all due to the fact that he did not join any parties, in particular, it is clear to everyone which (the main reason, not the refusal). So it turns out that honest and decent work - Do not give !!! Try now in pharmacies to find just Ampicillin trihydrate (edema. drug) or Glevo (India); and be surprised that Glevo is in any pharmacy, and Ampicillin is not everywhere. We can say that now this has happened at the level of the pandemic, but these are the last 5-7 years (I say it on my own, since the period. skips the inflammatory process in the lungs and the more active Ampicillin for me). Just taking into account capitalism, everyone is trying to hurt their legs, we go to hospitals when they are completely back (and doctors are forced to raise the class of the drug during treatment). And taking into account the fact that antibiotics are present in any chicken, pork, and beef, treatment with old antibiotics is not effective! That is why medications are not effective and questions to this !!! That Country Food Security!
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 30 March 2020 15: 48 New
        -5
        If you eat chicken and meat without heat treatment, then yes - you will get antibiotics. Otherwise, most of the antibiotics that stuffed the little animals are destroyed when heated.
        1. grad2308
          grad2308 30 March 2020 16: 07 New
          +5
          "If you eat chicken and meat without heat treatment, then yes - you will receive antibiotics. Otherwise, most of the antibiotics that were fed to animals are destroyed when heated."
          From the Rospotrebnadzor website "Is it possible to exclude antibiotics from the menu?" Link http://50.rospotrebnadzor.ru/rss_all/-/asset_publisher/Kq6J/content/id/827782
          Are antibiotics destroyed by heat treatment of products?
          You can often hear that the antibiotics contained in meat, milk and eggs are destroyed by heat treatment and thus cannot have any effect on the health of those who consume these products. Indeed, nobody really eats meat raw, milk is pasteurized, and eating eggs raw is not recommended. So, there is no reason to worry about the antibiotics in these products? There is evidence of how the antibiotic tetracycline is digested from chicken carcass. After thirty minutes of cooking, it is stored in the muscles of the broiler in the form of traces, and after another 30 minutes it completely goes into the broth.
          What about milk and eggs? No one boils milk for 30 minutes and boils eggs for so long. Not to mention that there are no similar data about other antibiotics. And what about fried meat, kebabs and so on?
          Thus, antibiotics are partially destroyed by heat treatment. But part of the antibiotics persists and enters the human body.

          Which plant foods contain the highest amount of antibiotics?
          The problem of antibiotics in plant products is especially acute for vegetables and fruits that are not subjected to preliminary heat treatment such as canning. For example, corn, beans and peas are processed before they are used as human food. In this case, part of the antibiotics is destroyed. A salad, radishes, cabbage and many other vegetables and fruits? After all, they enter the human body almost unchanged - along with the antibiotics present in them.
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 30 March 2020 16: 12 New
            -2
            In the case of plant products, chemical plant protection products, especially those based on phosphoorganics, are much more dangerous. On the basis of it, combat agents of nerve action are also made.
            1. grad2308
              grad2308 30 March 2020 16: 31 New
              +6
              Above, you were lying about the complete destruction of antibiotics. I do not argue that you are a specialist of a certain orientation. I won't argue too much about fertilizers. But the question is .... to what extent are dairy production and its products developed now? The dairy industry is almost non-existent. The price is kept as a socially significant product and households minimize production. I do not want to go into numbers, "climb" on the statistics site and look at milk and milk fats in the RSFSR and Russia.
          2. grad2308
            grad2308 30 March 2020 16: 12 New
            +6
            Plus, palm oil and its properties. In order not to frighten the population, manufacturers are now writing margarine from vegetable oils, and what do you think. PS 10 years of experience in the food industry, in one office with the technologists of the baking industry.
            1. grad2308
              grad2308 30 March 2020 16: 53 New
              +4
              "Market" was released - bakery enterprises in the bulk became private. Previously, each city had a bakery and often more than one. Now, due to the fact that they are trying to compete in cost, they are trying to install energy-efficient stoves. They often disassemble FTL-2 (a state award during VO, a design that can run on gas, coal, wood, fuel oil, diesel fuel, liquid fuel), and they must be kept in reserve. Of the 12 enterprises (which have passed into private hands) in my area, working - namely, the manufacturing remained 4 and + 2 (transshipment bases), the rest were dismantled and destroyed. In the field of enterprises with state. by 51% package about 3-4. And the "market" is the bulk of the private trader. Where is the mobresource in case of war or emergencies? In case of impossibility of transportation, the regional center may not be able to handle the deliveries ....., and the private owner will be able to fulfill all the requirements of Rospotrebnadzor for production activities.
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      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 30 March 2020 14: 54 New
        +7
        Quote: maidan.izrailovich
        Came from the pharmacy everything is there. Even the masks.

        Please name the city of such unheard of abundance.
    4. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 30 March 2020 17: 47 New
      0
      Quote: My address
      "The pandemic has taught us lessons that we must learn. There are goods and services that need to be taken out of the control of the market. Nutrition, medicine, health, safety, lifestyle - these are aspects that it is insane to give to third hands!" - Emmanuel Macron, President of France

      Boltology. I wonder how he is going to do this within the framework of capitalism.
      1. Liam
        Liam 30 March 2020 17: 58 New
        +1
        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        Quote: My address
        "The pandemic has taught us lessons that we must learn. There are goods and services that need to be taken out of the control of the market. Nutrition, medicine, health, safety, lifestyle - these are aspects that it is insane to give to third hands!" - Emmanuel Macron, President of France

        Boltology. I wonder how he is going to do this within the framework of capitalism.

        Very simple. Do not transfer more your own production such as mechanical ventilation, masks and other medications to China as before
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 30 March 2020 19: 04 New
          +1
          Uh-huh. Only what does the withdrawal from the control of the market have to do with it? Or there will be, like in that anecdote, the market economy is all around, but for "Nutrition, medicine, health, safety, lifestyle" is suddenly planned.
  • DEDPIHTO
    DEDPIHTO 30 March 2020 11: 20 New
    +6
    Uff ... from the read full cliches of the brain .. belay Are you already wearing white slippers or where? wassat
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      1. DEDPIHTO
        DEDPIHTO 30 March 2020 11: 39 New
        +2
        Quote: ushakorv
        Government is bad we will die soon
        Well, this is a known infection and the medicine was invented a long time ago, in 9 g. pills. Only the practice of application suffers, or rather, its absence over the past hundred years, but that thing is fixable, so no panic! We will live! .. but not all .. wink
        ps and I thought the end of the world was coming repeat
    2. maidan.izrailovich
      maidan.izrailovich 30 March 2020 12: 54 New
      -8
      Are you already wearing white slippers or where? wassat

      Buy a kilogram of meat and fry in nature. And thoughts of white slippers themselves will disappear. good
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 30 March 2020 16: 17 New
        +1
        The meat is a dietary supplement. The real medicine is taken before and during meals.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 30 March 2020 11: 28 New
    +4
    "If the enemy has built a fortress on the way, it is necessary to bypass from the rear, take it without attack" (c) ... What actually happens since the period of perestroika ...
    1. Gene84
      Gene84 30 March 2020 11: 54 New
      14
      Quote: parusnik
      "If the enemy has built a fortress on the way, it is necessary to bypass from the rear, take it without attack" (c) ... What actually happens since the period of perestroika ...

      And in no way can we get around that fortress and take it from the rear ... Probably we are not going the right way ...
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 30 March 2020 16: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: parusnik
      "If the enemy has built a fortress on the way, it is necessary to bypass from the rear, take it without attack" (c) ... What actually happens since the period of perestroika ...

      The concept of the rear, like the concept of "bypass" "now has many meanings. Who does the undermining, who puts to sleep with beautiful words ... There are many options, but ideology is prohibited. ...
      Good day, Alex hi
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 30 March 2020 21: 12 New
        +1
        Good day hi
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 30 March 2020 23: 00 New
          0
          Quote: parusnik
          Good day hi

          Holidays........ request recourse
  • Simple
    Simple 30 March 2020 11: 28 New
    +1
    Like a saying about the army
    You do not want to feed your medicine, you will feed someone else’s, with the only difference being that someone else’s medicine works to degenerate a population of people.
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 30 March 2020 11: 29 New
    0
    And how many people develop antibiotic resistance by self-medication, due to the expensive private and low-quality state medicine. Yes, there is something to think about.
  • MARANCANO
    MARANCANO 30 March 2020 11: 30 New
    +6
    In fact, in short:

    1. We have trouble with antibiotics
    2. Medical companies earn billions at the expense of the health of ordinary people
    3. In a great war, the Russians can do more from wounds than on the battlefield. It is also due to antibiotics that are worse than foreign ones.
    4. Nobody is going to change anything and is not going to do this issue.
    5. We will all die.

    Everything is clear .. and sad (
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 30 March 2020 14: 59 New
      +1
      As in the Russian Empire before the First World War. It is being actively promoted today as a model for today's Russia.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 31 March 2020 12: 24 New
        0
        Well, in the first of the Russian Empire there is no more, and the second from the beginning of the 20th century, everything has changed radically.
  • New Year day
    New Year day 30 March 2020 11: 35 New
    18
    For those who are fully acquainted with the material

    At last! And then some of the claims expressed here - what are they saying civilians are doing in VO?
    But the virus was fucking up and remembered that everyone is human and there is nothing that would constitute a barrier between the military and civilians. And then - today is civil, tomorrow is military and vice versa.
    In fact, everything is correctly said, but the problem is that. that Russia uses imported antibiotics and I must say that their quality is much worse.
    For 30 years of work under the Union, the new Russia, I have never met antibiotic-related colitis - pseudomembranous, which themselves give lethal outcomes. Over the past 3-4 years, I see them very often.
    And often such antibiotics do not work and often give a side effect. So if something happens, there’s nothing to treat, and then
    1. Nehist
      Nehist 30 March 2020 12: 07 New
      +7
      And all because in Sovetskaya medetsin the emphasis was on the prevention of all kinds of diseases, and now as we see on the fight against the consequences :(
      1. Simple
        Simple 30 March 2020 12: 24 New
        +7
        Rather, making money to deal with the consequences.
        Own medicine - it is always more dear and more useful than overseas, bought for cheap, no one knows where, and not adapted to the characteristics of its gene pool, which is a priori not so effective.
    2. Ptolemy Lag
      Ptolemy Lag 30 March 2020 12: 16 New
      +2
      The quality is good with the original products.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 30 March 2020 12: 28 New
        19
        Quote: Ptolemy Lag
        The quality is good with the original products.

        price! When we were optimized, they said, "you have to earn money" Now. when a roasted cock pecked in the ass, they grabbed the head - there were no beds, the doctors were fired. The merchants sent everyone on an erotic journey. The circle is closed - there is nowhere to heal and there is no one
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 31 March 2020 12: 26 New
          0
          80000 free beds have already been prepared.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 31 March 2020 12: 50 New
            +6
            Quote: Vadim237
            80000 free beds have already been prepared.

            At the beginning:
            Dec 14, 2015 13:36 p.m.
            The Ministry of Health considers the reduction of infectious beds in Moscow hospitals effective https://tass.ru/obschestvo/2525899
            then increase, and then ...?
            Infectious hospitals have been “optimized” like the rest of healthcare.
            “... in the city of Moscow for the period from 2010 to 2014 the number of infectious beds was reduced by 1,5 times, from 4617 to 3084 beds. The number of infectious beds for children for the indicated period was reduced 1,6 times, from 2556 to 1566 beds ”we are talking about the period 2010-2015, the source of TASS Naturally, the reduction in beds in infectious hospitals also continued after 2015.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 31 March 2020 17: 16 New
              -1
              Since 2015, in Moscow, a lot of new hospitals and clinics were built by one of them, the same one in which Putin dressed up in a yellow suit.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 30 March 2020 11: 37 New
    12
    In general, in one article what has been talked about for a long time.
    What conclusion - Brzezinski is a fool / A / com was not .... and after the "timid attempt" was thrown out of the amendments, they want to bridle the "servants of the people" in their Wishlist and the opportunity to arrange their bins somewhere there, not here, interest in everything else disappeared ONCE AGAIN.
    They are certainly NOT OUR, they have long been sold / bought permanently.
    There’s nothing more to talk about.
    Question - What to do?
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 30 March 2020 17: 50 New
      +3
      Interestingly, is a strike (an all-Russian strike) a legitimate way to fight for your rights? Over in France they regularly go on strike and achieve results, for example, they also wanted to take away their pensions, but the people defended.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 30 March 2020 18: 59 New
        +2
        Half measures, but as a way to teach people to unite and feel their power completely, completely.
        The question is difficult / simple, it all depends on the goal which is worth pursuing, for which you can go ALL WORLD.
      2. Mishiko
        Mishiko 30 March 2020 21: 36 New
        -5
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        Interestingly, is a strike (an all-Russian strike) a legitimate way to fight for your rights? Over in France they regularly go on strike and achieve results, for example, they also wanted to take away their pensions, but the people defended.

        Fan-fan! You are just a dirty anti-Russian instigator, you can’t blow up Russia from the inside! We already went through this in the 90s and almost lost Russia then. Now you will not pass, bulk!
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    3. dSK
      dSK April 1 2020 02: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      after the "timid attempt" to curb the "servants of the people"

      Our lobbyists also "work", still semi-officially.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 1 2020 07: 54 New
        0
        Quote: dsk

        Our lobbyists also "work", while it is still semi-official

        Lobbying - pushing, whatever you call it, this phenomenon is ancient, did not appear today. It was / is always and everywhere.
        As a rule, in favor of some, to the detriment of others.
        It’s difficult / simple - it’s worth figuring out what is more good / harm and who will be obvious harm, and who will benefit.
        I will not undertake unambiguous assessments, each case must be dealt with personally.
  • depressant
    depressant 30 March 2020 11: 41 New
    +9
    The author’s extensive article hides one thing: after 10 years, the corpse is exhumed, and it is imperishable — it is pumped up with antibiotics so that even microbes, even grave worms eat it. And maternity hospitals are supposed to be burned after a certain period of operation. Of course, while building new ones. And finally stop eating medicines for any reason! Whatever advertisement you are shown. This I deduced from part of the article. I’ll read it all later.
  • Talgat 148
    Talgat 148 30 March 2020 11: 43 New
    +3
    The most powerful article of all time being here!
  • tatra
    tatra 30 March 2020 11: 43 New
    12
    I had enough words about the "genocide of the Russian people in the 20s of the XX century" to understand that the article was written, to put it mildly, by a dishonest person.
    Already in the mid-20s, mortality in the USSR decreased by 20% compared with 1913, due to the fact that the Bolsheviks took upon themselves the responsibility of treating the people, eliminating the numerous infectious diseases inherited from the Russian Empire, which were infectious diseases first places in the world.
    1. Simple
      Simple 30 March 2020 11: 55 New
      +7
      Quote: tatra
      I had enough words about the "genocide of the Russian people in the 20s of the XX century"


      Maybe the author had in mind the XNUMXst century?
      It's about the state of modern Russia.
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 30 March 2020 17: 51 New
        +1
        So Irina admitted that she had not read the whole article, but only the beginning.
        1. Mishiko
          Mishiko 30 March 2020 21: 40 New
          -4
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          So Irina admitted that she had not read the whole article, but only the beginning.

          Fan-fan, you're just a liar, a dirty instigator! Apparently, from Ukraine? For a long time you have been stirring up water in VO, uttering your illiterate posts against Russia, including in technical terms!
    2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 March 2020 12: 10 New
      +3
      There are very general words, maybe he meant something else - the position of European countries, or something else
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 30 March 2020 17: 09 New
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        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        There are very general words, maybe he meant something else - the position of European countries, or something else

        I thought something like that, because there was a Civil War, an intervention, internationally against the USSR
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 30 March 2020 19: 11 New
          +2
          Hi Dmitry soldier
          I do not want to find fault with the flaws / errors that are in the article, what is the main point?
          The general security of the country is not only about protecting, feeding and ensuring the normal functioning of all government institutions! There are aspects of long-term planning in which the health of the nation is one of the most important. It is possible, after all, without attacking the state, to defeat it, if we correct some programs of the state structure in such a way that the recalcitrant people will simply DIE OUT, degrading, as it were, in a "natural" way!
          We cannot be defeated by military means, they will come up with another! After all, a long game can be.
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 30 March 2020 19: 54 New
            +4
            Good evening, Victor! hi What's the catch in this situation? Soviet medicine and the health care system made a colossal breakthrough in improving both the health of the nation and increasing the life span. Moreover, the painstaking work of medical staff and government spending remained "behind the scenes", so to speak. The population got used to all this and was not interested, did not think about how and what ... but not well, it turns out.
            About the game "for a long time". Yes, the Anglo-Saxons have experience with long-term programs. An example of this is the fight against historical Russia. No matter how it is called
            1. Mishiko
              Mishiko 30 March 2020 21: 44 New
              -3
              Well done, Irina! Bull's-eye! The article was written by the enemies of Russia! Trying to blow it from the inside out, inciting readers to VO!
    3. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 30 March 2020 16: 21 New
      -5
      In the mid-20s, mortality actually fell by 20%. But this is due to Soviet medicine, which was then in its infancy, and a consequence of natural selection: the weak died during the period of devastation and civil war, to which the Bolsheviks had the most direct relation.
      1. tatra
        tatra 30 March 2020 16: 30 New
        +2
        Firstly, stupidity, and secondly, slander of the Bolsheviks, and the justification of the criminals who unleashed the Civil War in order to overthrow the power of the Bolsheviks. The enemies of the Bolshevik Communists themselves indicate that they acknowledge their crimes, each time when they cowardly blame the Bolshevik Communists for what they did themselves.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 30 March 2020 16: 40 New
          -5
          The Civil War was provoked by the Bolsheviks, through the dispersal of the Constituent Assembly and usurpation of power, as a result of which even their allies in the October Revolution, the left-wing party, rebelled against the Bolsheviks. That is, in short.
          1. tatra
            tatra 30 March 2020 16: 50 New
            +2
            Ha, now explain how it all happened. So, the Bolsheviks captured Russia, dissolved the CSS, and WHAT next?
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 30 March 2020 16: 58 New
              0
              And they got irreconcilable opponents. The Socialist Revolutionaries of all stripes and anarchists and Mensheviks and other left parties participated in the revolutionary movement. It would not hurt to admit them to power - they had every right to take a seat at the helm of the state, especially since their programs were more interesting than the Bolshevik ones.
              1. tatra
                tatra 30 March 2020 17: 09 New
                +1
                Well, twisting begins. NO, you do not get out, but explain who started the armed civil war in which millions of Russian people died, and if you justify these criminals, it will be a crime against Russia and its people.
              2. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 30 March 2020 18: 29 New
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                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                The Socialist Revolutionaries of all stripes and anarchists and Mensheviks and other left parties participated in the revolutionary movement.

                And who else participated?
                1. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. 30 March 2020 18: 37 New
                  -1
                  The People’s Labor Socialist Party, the Labor Group, the Social - revolutionaries - maximalists.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 30 March 2020 18: 41 New
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                    Quote: AS Ivanov.
                    The People’s Labor Socialist Party, the Labor Group, the Social - revolutionaries - maximalists.

                    So did the Cossacks organized their state.
                    1. AU Ivanov.
                      AU Ivanov. 30 March 2020 18: 43 New
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                      There were several dozen national left parties. I'm talking about all-Russian.
          2. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 30 March 2020 20: 12 New
            +3
            ...... AS Ivanov .... Bolsheviks ..... usurpation of power ......

            Somehow forgot the February bourgeois laughing removal of the legitimate, so to speak, monarch, incapable treacherous interim government ... total irresponsibility ..
            And what would happen if neither Lenin’s -----
            There is such a party !!
      2. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 30 March 2020 20: 05 New
        +2
        ........ AS Ivanov ..... not the merit of Soviet medicine .....
        HA! I must say a little differently! ..... NOT ONLY THE SERVICE OF SOVIET MEDICINE .....
        This happened due to the organization of kindergartens, as a result of the creation of dormitories for communes for workers who came from the village. In these houses, as well as in factories, factories there were first-aid posts, medical workers. There was a propaganda of sports, health care, posters ..... And that’s not all!
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 30 March 2020 22: 00 New
          +3
          I would like to remind some that this is only a foreign invasion, it happens a little SUDDENLY! And all the unrest, riots, uprisings, REVOLUTIONS are the product of the current government itself, which has been brought somewhere in the wrong place! Even external "zealots" can only push what has already been formed within the country by the actions of the authorities themselves.
          So it was, is and will be !!!
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 30 March 2020 23: 09 New
            +4
            Yes Victor, that's it! Moreover, in time what is happening is not always easy to track!
            Quote: rocket757
            I would like to remind some that this is only a foreign invasion, it happens a little SUDDENLY! And all the unrest, riots, uprisings, REVOLUTIONS are the product of the current government itself, which has been brought somewhere in the wrong place! Even external "zealots" can only push what has already been formed within the country by the actions of the authorities themselves.
            So it was, is and will be !!!
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    5. Vadim237
      Vadim237 31 March 2020 12: 50 New
      -2
      "Already in the mid-20s, mortality in the USSR decreased by 20% compared to 1913, due to the fact that the Bolsheviks took it upon themselves to heal the people, eliminate numerous infectious diseases inherited from the Russian Empire, which was contagious in the first places in the world ". But at the end of the 20s, the glorious policy of the Bolsheviks began, lasting until 53 years, thanks to which, or the inaction of which led to 40 million losses in collectivization dispossession, resettlement of hunger, wars, construction camps, etc. Until now, search engines are digging up, but they will never find Cavo at all. If, say, you saved 20 people thanks to your measures for the development of medicine, but at the same time, the same 100 people died during the hostilities because of your ill-considered decisions - the efficiency of your work for the benefit of these people is zero.
      1. tatra
        tatra 31 March 2020 12: 58 New
        0
        You, the enemies of the Bolshevik communists, are constantly doing what you accuse them of, including your unsubstantiated, slanderous accusations of crimes, and this is a CRIME. That's all the GENOCIDE that you arranged for the peoples in the republics of the USSR that you captured - it's all in the statistics of supermortality after 1991, including in Russia, more than 14 million people, in Ukraine, more than 4 million people. And none of you have ever cited Soviet statistics, which would have proven your "tens of millions destroyed" by the communists.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 31 March 2020 17: 30 New
          -1
          For all this, you thank yours — the senile members of the Central Committee of the CPSU, they did everything to drive the USSR into the crisis pit of the 80s and then ruin the country — and you herd of sheep perfectly helped them in this with your action or inaction. And now turn on the clowning coming up with some kind of enemies on the side. for self-fencing. And for you, all statistics on events from 1928 through 1953 in the public domain are the responsibility of the state leadership.
          1. tatra
            tatra 31 March 2020 18: 16 New
            -1
            Oh, the 30-year-old cowardly ideology of the enemies of the communists, who seriously imagined that they are more than the communists and their supporters worthy to own the country "but we have nothing to do with it, it's all the communists to blame", "but we have nothing to do with it, it was in the USSR , we are still disentangling ". On the other hand, they have all "to do with" the large and huge incomes and salaries that they got after their capture of Russia. And there is no need to cowardly get out, the enemies of the communists do not have any statistics proving your slander against the Bolshevik-communists. And here is the statistics of your GENOCIDE of peoples on the territory of the captured USSR - IS. And you no longer need to address me with lies and slander.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 31 March 2020 18: 40 New
              0
              Communism of the USSR - in fact 30 years as a deceased, it will eventually turn into a mummy and crumble under the gusts of the wind of history as a 70-year experiment with a very bloody beginning but a less bloody end and will be a striking example and lesson for everyone - how to conduct politics and the economy is not necessary.
  • Dog
    Dog 30 March 2020 11: 58 New
    0
    is a real expert

    Excuse me, what does this mean?

    expensive perinatal centers, which, on the one hand, suck out huge amounts of money from nowhere, pouring money in a large percentage of cases of the living dead

    An example of such a perinatal center, please. And who are the living dead (list of diagnoses, please).
  • Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 30 March 2020 11: 58 New
    +2
    The only antibiotic to which the acceptable sensitivity of microorganisms of the A. baumannii family is preserved is polymyxin E or its fellow polymyxin B, Fig. 16. Once again I repeat, not one of them is produced in the Russian Federation - it is only repackaged.

    In this context, it is worth mentioning an article by R. Skomorokhov “What will kill us? Well, definitely not “Tomahawks”, where the causal relationship is clearly spelled out, to whom and for what reason it is beneficial for Russia to consume generics

    If you establish the production of polymyxin in Russia, then it will be generics. That is, according to the author, if generics are produced with us, then this is bad, if drugs are made from original formulations, then this is even worse. Something the thought of cowards and the cross by itself arises.
    the share of consumption of generic copies of medicines in the Russian Federation compared with EU countries is 2,5 times higher in money terms and 1,6 times in kind
    From this, I can conclude that generics are more expensive than original drugs?
  • Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 March 2020 12: 04 New
    10
    I read it carefully, did not understand half of it. But what I understood was enough. Well, long live capitalism, the president, and the government with their "brilliant" health care reforms. I thought that it would only be possible to reduce the number of doctors and change priorities (now the doctor should not treat the patient, but draw up the paperwork correctly, otherwise he will not receive money under the policy), but such a disaster in medicines ... the pros
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 30 March 2020 17: 15 New
      +2
      This is a hybrid war, invisible to an ordinary person from
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      ...... long live capitalism, ...... I thought that it would cost only a reduction in the number of doctors, and a change of priorities (now the doctor should not treat the patient, but draw up the paper correctly, otherwise there’s no money get), but such a disaster in medicines ... Only pros really know about it
  • Million
    Million 30 March 2020 12: 08 New
    +4
    I just do not understand this moment
    At the moment, the situation that has developed in Russia in the 20s is being repeated: the planned large-scale (multi-way and diverse) genocide of the Russian people
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      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 30 March 2020 13: 47 New
        +3
        Quote: Dog
        Since the field of knowledge is not specified, it means an expert on everything from pharmaceuticals to history.

        In medicine.
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  • Rostislav
    Rostislav 30 March 2020 12: 11 New
    +4
    The problem is understandable, it is not clear what to do and how to fix it. First thought - you need a revolution! Power to the Soviets !! Then again they will start thinking about people.
    But in the EU and the USA, pharmacologists do not live in poverty. Why do they manage to earn enough and earn high-quality medicines? Who would prompt the answer.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 30 March 2020 13: 39 New
      +2
      But in the EU and the USA, pharmacologists do not live in poverty.
      ... Moreover, the football teams contain: Leverkusen Bayer, a sports project of the pharmaceutical company Bayer, and most importantly, there is no burden since 1904 ...
    2. Dog
      Dog 30 March 2020 14: 57 New
      -3
      Quote: Rostislav
      The problem is understandable, it is not clear what to do and how to fix it.

      You probably did not pay attention to this phrase:
      for us as residents of Russia at the moment it's important bye even not that substances for drugs are not made in our country, but in India or China, but the fact that worst quality product dumped from India and China to Russia

      I will collect the bold letters in one sentence: "it is not important that the substances for medicinal preparations are made not in our country, but that the goods are from India and China."

      The meaning is clear.
      Remove competition from the market, stop buying cheap drugs based on Indian and Chinese substances. Give the whole market to normal guys from one Middle Eastern state. The boys will sell the goods at a high price, but if you do not have enough money, close your prenatal centers, etc., your sick children are not worth the money that you can give to us. And yes - your church is bad, it builds hospitals to kill you.

      Something like that.
  • Mister who
    Mister who 30 March 2020 12: 15 New
    +2
    With the introduced restrictive measures, the main thing is not to overdo it, hunger will be worse than any viruses if food outages begin.
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 30 March 2020 12: 20 New
    +5
    I allow myself to make a false note in the impeccable symphony of the apocalypse. Let the author of the article try to go out today and buy at the pharmacy AT LEAST ANY antibiotic without a prescription. Only dietary supplements, author! To be treated with antibiotics, one must belong to the corresponding class. Not to the worker. There, yes, other requirements. We have the situation with antibiotics in Europe and the USA, one to one.
    With regards to the "bacchanalia of names" and other things. The respected author should have paid attention to the howl that suddenly rose in the media (there was not enough of it, yeah), when the research carried out by oil companies on their topics was suddenly transferred for certification to the Academy of Sciences from the Ministry of Economic Development. Immediately, like a devil out of a box, Gref appeared (what does he care, like ?!), screaming that such a transfer would cause "a drop in research appropriations tenfold! Why would that?
    Everything is simple. How was it before for oilmen? You come to the institute, rummage in the trash can, fetch out a student's essay from the third course, for which the teacher did not slap, and, happy, you fly to your place in some kind of Rosneft. You tell the secretary to retype the essay as a "research", and you go with it to the Ministry of Economic Development, carry a planned bribe, and ask them to give you a hand in your scientific work. The ministry does not understand what the student blinded, so they sign without a sound. All. You can write off one hundred to two hundred million dollars for "research", and no problem. Of course, the Academy of Sciences, headed by the Chechen clan, to put it mildly, will not refuse a bribe. But its size will be hundreds of times larger than in Mineck! Very uncomfortable ...
    That's how ALL studies of anything in our country are arranged. Some soiled billions of paper. But you won’t do that with medical research! Too many testers ... But, I repeat, absolutely no other studies have been conducted for 30 years. There are only Russian branches, from where the research (real) goes directly to the West. It’s just that not all scientists can create without seeing every day their dear ryasin.
    THESE studies begin with a REAL customer. And where does this come from? Hehe ...
    1. Dog
      Dog 30 March 2020 13: 00 New
      +3
      Quote: Mikhail3
      Let the author of the article try to go out today and buy at the pharmacy AT LEAST ANY antibiotic without a prescription. Only dietary supplements, author! To be treated with antibiotics, one must belong to the corresponding class.

      I will teach you.
      “I have such and such an antibiotic, please.”
      - Hold on. Do you have a recipe for it?
      - Yes, of course! I forgot in the car.
      - Well, that's nice. You have so many rubles.

      And I really forgot the recipe in the car and too lazy to come back for it.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 30 March 2020 16: 24 New
        0
        They will not give in ampoules, and I have repeatedly bought pills without a prescription.
        1. Dog
          Dog 30 March 2020 16: 46 New
          0
          Quote: Sergej1972
          In ampoules will not give

          I have not tried it. I bought some kind of powder.
  • gridasov
    gridasov 30 March 2020 12: 24 New
    +2
    We can definitely say that the problem is not with drugs, but with informational data that could systematize all the information and determine the development of trends and the search for optimal decision variables. When we collected all the physical laws and physical phenomena that guide humanity in the person of scientists, many processes and the ineffective methods themselves used by man in the analysis of big data became clear and obvious. Therefore, at this stage and within the framework of this topic, we can say that a person clogging his body with the frequent use of drugs drugs, thereby dooming himself to the failure of the internal computer.
    1. Yura
      Yura 30 March 2020 15: 44 New
      0
      Quote: gridasov
      and with informational data that could systematize all the information and determine the development of trends and the search for optimal decision variables

      This is true, but I think the issue is still being addressed. Actually, your message is true, if only because with some reflection questions arise: in countries with a year-round hot climate, there are almost or no patients with this virus (that is, the habitat is high temperatures and probably an important factor is a dry atmosphere) in countries with a hot climate , but there is a virus susceptible to seasonal differences, but its manifestation in autumn and winter is a fact, an example is Italy.
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 30 March 2020 16: 05 New
        +3
        Little objective data is given in the media so that we can talk about the answers. But even what they say, it is clear that states and their rulers believed in the illusion that everything will be as they think. It is clear that there will be no cure for this virus, because the conditions will already be different, and therefore the nature of the influence will also be different. Moreover, a lot of aggravating factors can be added to this. However, in everything that happens, there is the benefit of the fact that each state realizes that its slaves need to be protected. But in principle, I’m not talking about this, but about the fact that events confirm the fact of the complete absence of modeling situations and analysis methods as such. Well, Trump needs one status expert virologist said, and on this basis he made a decision !? Where are their analytical institutions with the ability to use models of any processes. Where is their AI with poured million money. Everyone lies and this is the moment of revealed truths. Smart people saw a lot of useful in these events.
        1. Yura
          Yura 30 March 2020 16: 29 New
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          Quote: gridasov
          But in principle, I’m not talking about this, but about the fact that events confirm the fact of the complete absence of situation modeling and analysis methods as such

          I agree with this, there is no system, although it would not be difficult to build it would be the desire of governments and public organizations, at least at the UN. And this should not be WHO, which is a protectionist instrument of some governments and large farms. companies, it should be an independent body or an international institution independent of any influence, having close ties with the same structures created by all states or at least those states that have such opportunities. But even in the absence of this, almost all states are able to do this, I do not particularly see such work, for anyone.
  • Nemo1234
    Nemo1234 30 March 2020 12: 24 New
    +3
    They say the truth ... Just now, he walked past the synagogue at Osipov and heard someone swear at the Talmud to the Rebbe, calling Trotsky to witness, he would tell the whole bhavda on the topwar how bad the viruses were in Russia.
    Then they shouted (with Trotsky): "Yes, hello the revolution! Down with the ̶ ̶ ̶̶t̶i̶n̶a̶ vigus!"
    So it was. yes
  • turbris
    turbris 30 March 2020 12: 24 New
    +1
    In general, everything is bad with us and the authorities are to blame, but everything is fine with them, because they have democracy. But the article was late, the coronavirus showed that everything was exactly the opposite.
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 30 March 2020 15: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: turbris
      In general, everything is bad with us and the authorities are to blame, but everything is fine with them, because they have democracy. But the article was late, the coronavirus showed that everything was exactly the opposite.

      Unfortunately, the coronavirus in Russia has not yet managed to show anything, everything is still ahead.
    2. gridasov
      gridasov 30 March 2020 16: 09 New
      +1
      We have everything as one might have expected. Another thing is that few people could imagine such global universal problems. But I suppose this is both a warning and a lesson. Everyone will make conclusions for himself.
  • Horst78
    Horst78 30 March 2020 12: 26 New
    +4
    Read. Approaching the end of the article, I already came up with a comment. BUT!!! I came across this in an article
    And here the question is not so much that the “bonzes” against the background of this process are actively filling their pockets; most likely, this is a side effect, a kind of comforting prize for them to realize it, but rather that through the process itself they perform a specific, say frankly religious ideological order.
    And then I was covered. Behind many unfamiliar names, behind many graphs and numbers, there is an old "magician" method (he did it himself at work). In general, I didn't. PS For a simple article, it turns out that half of those who are in the hospital should immediately go to the cemetery after it.
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    2. matross
      matross 30 March 2020 14: 02 New
      +2
      Quote: Horst78
      Behind many unfamiliar names, behind many graphs and numbers, there is the old "magician" method

      Bingo! The article is tightly stitched together. But counting on a non-core audience. The effect is to read the comments above - "I didn't understand anything, but everything is bad with us," "Putin and the oligarchs poison us with the wrong antibiotics," "genocide of the Russian people."
      Conclusion: the article is custom-made, the factology has been rigged, there is no need to scream the guard.
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 30 March 2020 15: 13 New
        +3
        Quote: matRoss
        Bingo! The article is tightly stitched together. But counting on a non-core audience. The effect is to read the comments above - "I didn't understand anything, but everything is bad with us," "Putin and the oligarchs poison us with the wrong antibiotics," "genocide of the Russian people."
        Conclusion: the article is custom-made, factology has been rigged, there is no need to scream the guard

        You look at how many drugs are developed and produced in Russia, and then draw conclusions.
        1. Mishiko
          Mishiko 30 March 2020 21: 49 New
          0
          aleksejkabanets (Aleksey), as always, stupid things. And who regularly imposes sanctions against Russia?
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 31 March 2020 13: 53 New
            0
            Quote: Mishiko
            aleksejkabanets (Aleksey), as always, stupid things. And who regularly imposes sanctions against Russia?

            A famous dancer interferes with a bad dancer.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 31 March 2020 13: 00 New
          0
          In Russia, research institutes develop and test drugs in conjunction with medical clusters. And almost all medical equipment is being produced in conjunction with defense industry enterprises.
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 31 March 2020 14: 01 New
            -1
            Quote: Vadim237
            In Russia, research institutes develop and test drugs in conjunction with medical clusters. And almost all medical equipment is being produced in conjunction with defense industry enterprises.

            I would be grateful for references to what research institutes are developing, how much they have developed, in comparison with developed countries (China, USA, etc., please do not bring Nigeria)
            Which research institutes are still working, which "almost all medical equipment"
            let out.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 31 March 2020 18: 50 New
              +1
              Postovsky Institute of Organic Synthesis, Zelinsky Institute of Organic Chemistry, Gamaleya National Center for Epidemiology of Microbiology, Chemical Department of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Vavilov Institute of General Genetics Biology, Shemyakin and Ovchinnikov Institute of Bioorganic Chemistry, Schwabe, KRET, Tula KBP, etc.
      2. Horst78
        Horst78 30 March 2020 17: 48 New
        +5
        Quote: matRoss
        Bingo! The article is tightly stitched together. But counting on a non-core audience. Effect - read the comments above - "I didn't understand anything, but everything is bad with us"

        That's it. I will correct your quote "I did not understand anything, but I support it." The first thing that rushed
        From the editors. We recommend that you familiarize yourself with this work, since its author, even if forced to act under a pseudonym, is a real expert, unlike many who demonstrate their opinion. Set out in this material makes us look differently at real threats to us. Yes, the article is presented specifically, but the time you spend reading, understanding and comprehending will be worth it.
        Roman Skomorokhov
        I don’t remember the whole time that at the beginning the "editorial board" advertised the article. And further in the text:
        For a more complete understanding of the situation with infectious diseases in the Russian Federation, it makes sense to turn to data comparison by mortality from these diseases between Russia and at least eight “new” EU countries: Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia and Slovenia, fig. 3:
        But in Fig. 3
        there are also "old" EU countries. And according to the schedule, the "old" business is worse than the "new", but the author is not interested.
        Above, we compared the situation in the Russian Federation with the “new” eight EU countries.
        I can assure you, dear readers, that such bacchanalia with antibiotics are not observed in any of these countries, all the more so in the “old” EU countries, not to mention the United States.
        ABOUT!!! here the author already has the "old" countries of the EU and the USA, And why?
        The data of the ASSOCIATION OF CLINICAL PHARMACOLOGISTS OF ST. PETERSBURG are completely consistent with the data of the HIGH SCHOOL, 2019, Fig. fourteen.
        The general situation with the consumption of generic drugs in the Russian Federation in comparison with other countries:
        Shit, we get to fig.14, and there we have "everything is BAD". We are at the bottom of the "generics"
        where "old" and "new" Europe is in the middle (52-53%), for that we have all 88%. But! For some reason, the author is again silent about the United States. And why? Because the USA is right behind us with 86%. and this is where the explanation of the "Recommendations" of the article from the editor appears
        In this context, it is worth mentioning an article by R. Skomorokhov “What will kill us? Well, it’s definitely not “Tomahawks”, where the causal relationship is clearly spelled out, to whom and for what reason it is beneficial that Russia consumes generics and that the increase in the number of these generics in our market is absolutely uncontrolled.
        Here I already began to understand why all this "foam" with numbers, graphs and "clever incomprehensible" words. Something like this.
        1. Dog
          Dog 30 March 2020 20: 33 New
          +3
          Quote: Horst78
          That's it

          It’s also strange that the author writes, for example, such things:

          The only antibiotic to which the acceptable sensitivity of enterobacteria is preserved is polymyxin E or its fellow polymyxin B, Fig. 10

          At the same time, in the articles to which he refers, one more antibiotic, tigecycline, is always mentioned as suitable. Why does the author call polymexin the only suitable one? Maybe the fact is that tigecycline is produced in Russia, and polymexin is produced, say, in Israel.
          1. dali
            dali April 4 2020 01: 16 New
            -1
            Quote: Dog
            Maybe the fact is that tigecycline is produced in Russia, and polymexin is produced, say, in Israel.


            Vilimiksin (Polymyxin b) - manufacturer of ABOLmed LLC - a pharmaceutical company, one of the largest pharmaceutical companies in Russia. Novosibirsk

            Sabviksin (Polymyxin b) - producer of KRASFARMA OJSC

            I don’t know about the accusations of KRASFARMA OJSC in the sale of non-tested drugs, but the fact that the article says so far only words requires proof.

            The Russian manufacturer of Tigecycline found only one and then:
            Tigecycline - Pharmasintez AO (only it is not clear Pharmasintez itself produces or distributor)

            And not Russian Tagicil (Tigecycline) (from 1898.00 rubles) - https://www.webapteka.ru/drugbase/name19842.html

            Because it’s not clear, you, Dog, what are you trying to achieve? Have you decided to throw a little manure on the fan?
    3. gridasov
      gridasov 30 March 2020 16: 11 New
      0
      Theoretically, it is. Because there is such a thing as a viral load.
  • divanka2021
    divanka2021 30 March 2020 12: 36 New
    +4
    we have medicines that are so expensive, and without generics any Deshmans would be even more expensive, not affordable at all, so something is better than nothing
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 30 March 2020 12: 37 New
    +2
    Pretty provocative article. And Brzezinski himself is the same, the rector. Everything is stated - one-sided and not entirely objective. We, the “elite”, since the time of Peter the Great, have been buying property over the hill and investing money. Everything is debatable and superficial. In such a case, waving a saber is stupid. Already ,, waved ,, - in 1917 ..
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 31 March 2020 13: 03 New
      0
      She didn’t find any of her followers - they have been doing this for a long time.
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  • lopvlad
    lopvlad 30 March 2020 12: 53 New
    +3
    Moreover, today it is very difficult to say whether it is worse to fight: with non-modern weapons or with modern antibiotics. And from which there will be more loss.


    dear author, please explain how such an incomplete appearance as a person survived and multiplied almost until the middle of the 20th century without antibiotics. A person is not able to come up with medicines for diseases and viruses that still do not exist in nature. This is confirmed by the modern coronovirus pandemic from which no one has medicines and they will appear only after the virus collects its bloody harvest and comes to naught.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 30 March 2020 14: 55 New
      +1
      As if from the flu and other acute respiratory viral infections, effective drugs have been created. As there were none, there are none and, most likely, it is not expected in the near future.
      1. lopvlad
        lopvlad 30 March 2020 15: 17 New
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        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        As if from the flu


        and medicines and vaccination. As for ARVI (according to the old ARI), medicines help, there is no vaccination and never will be.
    2. Nehist
      Nehist 30 March 2020 15: 27 New
      0
      Do not believe it, but some plants are natural antibiotics.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 30 March 2020 15: 40 New
        +2
        We believe that initially penicillin was obtained from mold.
        1. lopvlad
          lopvlad 30 March 2020 15: 52 New
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          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          from mold.


          mold is a fungus and fungus is a microorganism and not a plant. Sprout-antibiotic is the same legend as the disinfecting effect of gold.
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 30 March 2020 16: 07 New
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            I won’t be surprised that in the course of evolution, plants developed substances similar to antibiotics. Gold is chemically inactive and unsuitable as an antiseptic. But colloidal silver (protargol drug) is still used as antibacterial.
          2. Nehist
            Nehist 30 March 2020 19: 07 New
            -1
            The simplest plants are antibiotics - cabbage, mustard, lingonberry, dove, viburnum red, basil ...
  • Alecsandr
    Alecsandr 30 March 2020 13: 00 New
    +4
    In vain we, at one time, laughed at Bryntsalov. He really wanted drugs to be produced by the domestic industry by our entrepreneurs. But for the sake of all sorts of "shuttle traders" from abroad, and simply dealers and speculators, many pharmaceutical industries were closed. Now we are reaping the bitter fruits.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 30 March 2020 13: 54 New
      +2
      Quote: Alecsandr
      In vain we, in due time, laughed at Bryntsalov. He really wanted the drugs to be produced by the domestic industry by our entrepreneurs.

      Yes ... crying
    2. lopvlad
      lopvlad 30 March 2020 15: 30 New
      +1
      Quote: Alecsandr
      He really wanted the drugs to be produced by the domestic industry by our entrepreneurs.


      what he wanted and did was robbing Russia like any other oligarch of that time. The vast majority of world drug manufacturers use Chinese and Indian substances (both the USA and Europe) as their basis. Bryntsalov besides stuffing his pockets (he even rolled down to sell counterfeit goods in mid-zero) and populism did not want anything.
      And what did you want from the 80s speculator.
  • Shahno
    Shahno 30 March 2020 13: 29 New
    -1
    Clear. A person apparently has the subject of nosocomial infections ... dissertations, articles. Of course, this is a danger. And this is a long-standing problem, not the first year.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 30 March 2020 13: 37 New
    +6
    For misunderstood:

    IMHO, the author does not apply to the use of Antibiotics in Meat, poultry, products.

    The author claims that cheap antibiotics from China and India do not treat well. And they develop immunity to bacteria antibiotics strongly.

    This is especially true for common infections, such as Stepholacoccus and E. coli.
    Since bad antibiotics 1) it is difficult to treat until the end 2) in hospitals, cheap drugs massively develop resistance to all antibiotics at once.

    And any troubles associated with the mass exposure of patients / wounded to hospitals / hospitals (especially during military operations) will push the spread of difficult infections and increased mortality.

    And current mortality is increased compared to Europe.
    Investments and the number of studies are classified, as it were, in comparison with Korea, where this has a powerful medical and economic effect.

    Alas, verbose, corrected.

    Familiar doctors confirm some of this.
    1. lopvlad
      lopvlad 30 March 2020 15: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: Max1995
      The author states that cheap antibiotics from China and India do not treat well


      I’ll tell you a terrible secret that cheap Chinese and Indian antibiotics are treated exactly the same as expensive European ones. And all because microorganisms causative agents of disease are constantly evolving and the chemical formulas of drugs have not changed since they were created 10,20,30 and sometimes 50 years ago .
      1. Maks1995
        Maks1995 30 March 2020 17: 27 New
        +3
        Not at all.
        My friends (and I), both doctors and patients, see the differences. The price is biting.
        And according to the formulas - yes, many do not change, others change.
        But they just don’t tell you about Indo-Chinese flights. And the pharmacists themselves remember them ...
    2. Moon
      Moon 30 March 2020 16: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: Max1995
      The author states that cheap antibiotics from China and India do not treat well

      Yes, the article in a simple conclusion sounds something like this. I will add that the raw materials for local preparations were again bought there (India and China, where it is cheap)
      Capitalism. The market is not rich and therefore the cheapest raw material sources.
      In general, after years of simple slogan articles, reading a profile is already much harder ...
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    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 30 March 2020 15: 59 New
      +2
      get minus))))
  • gvozdan
    gvozdan 30 March 2020 13: 54 New
    +1
    On the one hand, uncontrolled sale of antibiotics (until recently), on the other, according to the standards for combating nosocomial infections, any hospital must move to a new building every 10 years, and we have about 70% of hospitals located in the same building for more than 30 years, another 20% for more than 10 years and only 10% less than 10 years.

    The voiced problems have been known since Soviet times and the fact that the 90s were not in vain for health is also not news. With regard to military affairs, this material is rather strange for:
    1) BOB took place in the absence of antibiotics in general
    2) Modern aircraft do not use millions of soldiers as in WWII.

    This whole article is another stuffing under the cover of an epidemic and panic. Why did they write about it right now? I studied at a medical university in 2005-2012 we were taught all this then.

    Now, in general, there is a time when all the psychiatric patients whom no one had taken seriously before, in the wake of the epidemic, they began to weave their cockroaches into the general panic stream that is inflated by journalists chasing ratings. My mother sends me some videos every day for verification
    1. lopvlad
      lopvlad 30 March 2020 15: 40 New
      +2
      Quote: gvozdan
      any hospital must move to a new building every 10 years


      I advise you to see the age of hospital buildings in the United States, England and abandon the great ideas.
  • rruvim
    rruvim 30 March 2020 14: 50 New
    +3
    I went for the mixture in the refrigerator ... 40 degrees just right. I read the article with courage, did not understand anything. But I heard about Chinese and Indian substances at the Bryntsalov Factory in Elektrogorsk from a friend. The plant stopped, even before the "quarantine". The Indian and Chinese raw materials ran out.
  • bandabas
    bandabas 30 March 2020 15: 04 New
    0
    I went again for buckwheat .... hi Paracetamol, matches, salt ... Forgot the list. Have to go back bully .
    1. lopvlad
      lopvlad 30 March 2020 15: 42 New
      +3
      Quote: bandabas
      Paracetamol


      the ear hurts from toxic to the liver. It is better to drink vodka, and it doesn’t even hit the liver.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 30 March 2020 19: 38 New
        +2
        And paracetamol in combination with vodka is true cirrhosis. Not a joke. So, guys, never take a drug with paracetamol for a headache with a hangover.
  • vladimych
    vladimych 30 March 2020 15: 07 New
    +1
    Author against generics. For example, I am for a more quantitative choice of drugs, and not for one global one.
    1. Dog
      Dog 30 March 2020 20: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: vladimych
      Author versus generics

      Author versus wrong generics from wrong suppliers
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  • intuzazist
    intuzazist 30 March 2020 15: 50 New
    +5
    30 million hospitalized per year !!!!! Not too much with a population of 000 lyam ???! Every 000th !!! Rave! There are 150 people in my circle !!! And thank God no one was hospitalized for 5-50 years ...
  • Uma palata
    Uma palata 30 March 2020 15: 56 New
    +3
    The introductory part of the Masterpiece allows us to assess the direction of the author's thoughts: "when our rulers can, in order to gain personal political points, help NATO countries in anti-infectious protection issues, and NATO countries do not openly seek to increase the scale of the spread of COVID-19 in the Russian Federation."
    We translate from Aesopian into Russian: the Russian authorities help the Europeans (fight the pandemic) solely to show themselves in a favorable light. NATO can spread the infection to the territory of the Russian Federation, but so far have slowed down.
    Objectivity rolls over))). In my opinion, helping sick Europeans is primarily an indicator of the true face of our state - compassion, generosity, the strength of our Power. Decent behavior. Well, the training of military doctors is not superfluous to us. Why bite the authorities in the style of Solzhenitsyn? And the attack on the NATO side in this case is also not justified.
    Translated into understandable language, the author writes the following: the widespread use of antibiotics has caused an increase in the resistance of harmful microbes to antibiotic treatment. (This was known about 50 years ago). Further: analogs of foreign antibiotics are used in Russia and these analogs are much worse than the originals. (No statistics are given here, just in case, just - "we have worse"). For the sake of beauty, the data on mortality from infections are given, but at the same time, modesty did not allow the author to clarify that the methods of registration and counting are different in our country and in the West. Judging by the data given, in our surgical hospitals, hundreds of patients die from nosocomial infections. The reason is that our antibiotics are worse than Western ones, because we buy components for the manufacture of antibiotics in China and India, and these substances are shoved to us of the poorest quality, we buy them and are satisfied with that. (The subtext is that the insidious Russian authorities are destroying the people.) Further: if hostilities begin, our wounded soldiers will not survive after surgical operations, because our antibiotics will not save them.
    In general, we are all dead. Already heard, but now here is another option.
    Evaluating the masterpiece, I'll start with the bad: 1. Pathogenic microbes really gained high resistance to antibiotics. And this is observed everywhere, both in our country and in the west. Microbes do not have a nationality. 2. Some of the components for the production of the same antibiotics are actually bought, mainly in India. In our country, this production was skillfully destroyed in the 90s and is now only being restored.

    What is good: in hospitals from a nosocomial infection, really so many people do not die. Well ... does not die, as practical experience shows. In the west they die, especially of advanced age. Why do we survive ... there is one unverified hypothesis, the ideas of practitioners. I clarify that this is precisely an assumption: in the west, patients are literally stuffed with drugs and, in combination with antibiotics, the interaction effect is ... different and not always positive. We have such a glut of drugs rather rare, because the drugs are expensive, and taking loans for treatment is somehow not in fashion with us. The result - in hospitals they often treat only the most necessary, and strangely enough, this is what saves the patients.
    And in military hospitals where our patients are treated after infected wounds - there wasn’t and never was! no high mortality. We go further: antibiotics stupidly and uncontrollably do not beat anyone.
    We are now recovering almost everything that was good during the Union, a lot (in particular, in medicine) is raised from scratch altogether, the devastation of the 90s was truly monstrous, colossal as after the war. And in conclusion: our epidemiology turned out to be much more productive than Western, which is perfectly noticeable in the experience of recent days. As for the production of drugs ... until this industry is nationalized and placed under state control as under the Union, the danger described in the article may well manifest itself.
    Sorry, that without statistics, in a simple way. But in general ... something new in propaganda, concocted and served to the public very competently.
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  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 30 March 2020 16: 21 New
    +3
    An interesting, hot topic. The problem of pure medicines has become very acute in the country. I read about the production of modern antibacterial agents. A separate sterile workshop is designed for each drug, which should be closed after the production of this antibiotic is stopped. These are huge costs. Not every manufacturer will do this. The workshop is "cleaned" and another drug is produced. Microparticles left over from previous production at the molecular level change the composition of the antibacterial drug, not even a generic one ...
  • Conell f
    Conell f 30 March 2020 16: 29 New
    +1
    A very informative article, the figures and facts just cry out, thanks to the author for such an extensive review. Only, I think, the author of NK completely revealed the causes of the problem, and they are obvious. In the days of the Union, at every bio-enterprise introducing drug substances there was a system of the State Control without which no consignment of drugs could reach consumers !!! What is happening today, the author described in sufficient detail. The drugs received from abroad were subjected to the same strict test !!! Where is this control today?!? So today we have the real chaos in the market of medical products and the very low effectiveness of treatment.
  • Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 30 March 2020 17: 15 New
    +2
    Nothing new, this problem has long been standing, and not only in Russia, it’s worse with us, because you can safely buy them. Why hide under a pseudonym when it's open information and known? Roman, well, it’s not solid, honestly
  • demo
    demo 30 March 2020 18: 09 New
    +1
    After 10 lines I realized - this is not for me.
    I can’t stand it.
    Even forced self-isolation will not give me anything.
    But I’ll make one statement.
    Just today I talked with comrades.
    They have already registered an enterprise in Skolkovo (8 months of torment).
    And this company is ready to produce a specific preparation in ANY quantity.
    He underwent clinical trials (under the control of the chief doctors of hospitals) on Pseudomonas aeruginosa, hepatitis, Helicobacter pylori, fungal diseases, and God knows what (I’m not special).
    The result is 100% victory.
    You can believe it, you can not.
    For almost a year now I have had no Helicobacter. But there was!
    The drug is 100% biology. And natural.
    So Roman reassure your author.
    Everything will be fine.
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  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 30 March 2020 18: 47 New
    +4
    The main causes of mortality among Russians in 2019:
    1) Cardiovascular disease
    2) Malignant tumors - oncology
    3) accident, crime, suicide, injuries in the workplace and others, alcohol poisoning, etc.
    4) Gastrointestinal tract and lungs - diseases of the digestive tract and respiratory system
    5) infections and parasites
    Accordingly, the resistance to antibiotics to attract to the genocide of the Russian people is ... lol ...exaggeration. An article on the topic of the day, so to speak, with a political connotation.
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 30 March 2020 20: 52 New
      +2
      Quote: Krasnodar
      The main causes of mortality among Russians in 2019:
      1) Cardiovascular disease
      2) Malignant tumors - oncology
      3) accident, crime, suicide, injuries in the workplace and others, alcohol poisoning, etc.
      4) Gastrointestinal tract and lungs - diseases of the digestive tract and respiratory system
      5) infections and parasites
      Accordingly, the resistance to antibiotics to attract to the genocide of the Russian people is ... ... an exaggeration. An article on the topic of the day, so to speak, with a political connotation.

      Greetings! hi But you must admit, the article is interesting.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 30 March 2020 21: 59 New
        +1
        Greetings! hi The data given in the article are really interesting, but I disagree with the conclusions ... in general, there is a problem with the quality of medicines in the country related to the control of production, imports, as well as the current look of the health care system in general, but this is not about the planned genocide of the Russian people or deliberate actions for the evil of a group of malefactors in power. Everything related to pharmacology brings huge profits, more than from the market for the production and sale of drugs, and at times! Therefore, in such a young country like Russia (people for some reason continue to believe that they live in the USSR that survived the capitalist coup), there is a lot of chaos in this area. Over time, by the transition of the market to 2-3 central "players" and the emergence of strict control over them, everything will settle down.
        1. Dog
          Dog 30 March 2020 22: 34 New
          0
          Quote: Krasnodar
          in such a young country like Russia

          My great-great-grandfather lived in Russia, he also had and so on.

          Quote: Krasnodar
          The data presented in the article is really interesting.

          Which specific data in the article did you find particularly interesting?

          You, it seems, were connected with medical tourism in Israel? Not sure which antibiotics are produced in this country?
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 30 March 2020 22: 59 New
            +1
            My great-great-grandfather lived in Russia, he also had and so on.

            Oh. I have a lot of news for you, starting with the abolition of serfdom
            Which specific data in the article did you find particularly interesting?

            Statistical
            You, it seems, were connected with medical tourism in Israel?

            Before the closure of Israeli clinics in connection with the coronavirus for tourists - was. As with medical tourism in Germany.
            Not sure which antibiotics are produced in this country?

            I know approximately, but - 70% of the clientele - oncology, the rest - IVF, joint replacement, cardiac surgery, childbirth, etc. I did not go into details.
            1. Dog
              Dog 30 March 2020 23: 16 New
              +1
              Quote: Krasnodar
              Oh. I have a lot of news for you, starting with the abolition of serfdom

              Yesterday canceled - today introduced. Also news to me. This is Russia - here, according to the classic, miracles are not uncommon.

              Quote: Krasnodar
              I know about

              Polymyxin found. But tigecycline, it seems, is not produced.
              I’m trying to understand why the author, retelling the research results, constantly mentions polymyxin and forgets about tigecycline. Although in his sources about both of these drugs are positive, let's say, reviews.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 30 March 2020 23: 40 New
                +2
                Do not believe online reviews - as a rule, an order from a distributor and / or manufacturer.
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        2. Tank hard
          Tank hard 31 March 2020 08: 01 New
          +2
          Quote: Krasnodar
          The data given in the article are really interesting, but I disagree with the conclusions ... in general, there is a problem with the quality of medicines in the country related to the control of production, imports, as well as the current look of the health care system in general, but this is not about the planned genocide of the Russian people or deliberate actions for the evil of a group of malefactors in power. Everything related to pharmacology brings huge profits, more than from the market for the production and sale of drugs, and at times! Therefore, in such a young country like Russia (people for some reason continue to believe that they live in the USSR that survived the capitalist coup), there is a lot of chaos in this area. Over time, by the transition of the market to 2-3 central "players" and the emergence of strict control over them, everything will settle down.

          Thank you, very interesting opinion. hi
        3. dali
          dali April 4 2020 01: 27 New
          -1
          Quote: Krasnodar
          Over time, by the transition of the market to 2-3 central "players" and the emergence of strict control over them, everything will settle down.

          Perhaps ... only people do not live in modern times, but now ... and tough, I would say, the most severe measures for the quality of drugs should be applied now. Although this also applies to food products to the same extent !!!
    2. alstr
      alstr 31 March 2020 16: 24 New
      +1
      Now let’s estimate the scale of the problem according to official statistics from here
      https://rosinfostat.ru/smertnost/#i
      The average number of deaths from infections and parasites ..... 35 thousand (plus minus 1 thousand).
      For comparison, Cardiovascular - 800-900 thousand a year.

      Now compare the numbers and choose what we will fight with.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 31 March 2020 16: 26 New
        0
        That is exactly what I wanted to say hi
  • Oleg Zorin
    Oleg Zorin 30 March 2020 19: 19 New
    +3
    For me, as a doctor, is not news. Resistance to a / b (and not only to anti-TB drugs too) really exists. And in Russia it is quite high. But what can you do when you can buy any antibiotic in a pharmacy without a prescription, even in tablets, or even for injection use? Sorry, we do not have a NATO extraterritorial pharmacy! All work according to Russian laws. Try to buy a medicine in Europe or America without a prescription. Well, aspirin will be sold. No more. And what is the result if, on the one hand, there is a wild (I’m not afraid of this word) population regarding medical literacy, and, on the other hand, a state pursuing an insane policy? Right, resistance!
    1. dali
      dali April 4 2020 01: 39 New
      -1
      Quote: Oleg Zorin
      And in Russia it is quite high. But what can you do when you can buy any antibiotic in a pharmacy without a prescription, even in tablets, or even for injection use?

      Do you have evidence that this is precisely the reason for antibiotic resistance ?! belay

      Or maybe all the same quality and counterfeit drugs !!!

      Or maybe all the same uncontrolled use of antibiotics in animal husbandry and poultry farming is another reason !!!

      And you know for sure that if a person buys an antibiotic, then he is not buying the wrong antibiotic correctly? I know such people who themselves buy antibiotics, without appointing doctors, I know, but there are only a few of them, and besides, they themselves are well aware of this !!!

      And the fact that we have a lot of unskilled doctors prescribing antibiotics, do you not know? And the fact that now without a real analysis of resistance, it is unrealistic to prescribe an antibiotic correctly, and if you still qualify for it (I can read medical encyclopedia) !!!
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 30 March 2020 20: 50 New
    -1
    Very interesting article! Thanks to the authors. hi
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 30 March 2020 20: 51 New
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    Quote: Ptolemy Lag
    Briefly, in Russia 98% of drugs are stamped into tablets from imported raw materials, in the 90s, almost 100% of factories producing substances were destroyed. If the country is cut off the supply of substances for medicines, then there will be nothing banal to do from them. Most antibiotics in the Russian Federation have high resistance, i.e. For example, you have pneumonia, antibiotics are prescribed for you, and the bacterium that caused pneumonia is not sensitive to the antibiotic.

    From imported raw materials with the addition of chalk. We have a lot of it.