U.S. Navy F / A-18C / D fighter planes began to receive new radars with AFAR

The old versions of the F / A-18 Hornet C / D carrier fighter armaments in service with the US Marine Corps began to receive new AN / APG-79 (v) 4 radars with an active phased array antenna (AFAR). Aircraft modernization is carried out by Raytheon.

The company announced the signing of a contract with the command of the Marine Corps for the supply of radars with an active phased array antenna (AFAR) in early January last year. Then it became known that the FG-18C / D Hornet aircraft will be equipped with the APG-79 (v) 4 radar - a modified version of the APG-79 radar installed on the Super Hornet and EA-18G Growler aircraft. The decision to install this particular radar was made because it is 90% compatible with the base F / A-18C / D Hornet radar, which greatly simplifies the installation and subsequent maintenance of modernized aircraft.

According to the plans of the command of the ILC, all F / A-18C / D fighters armed with the US Marine Corps will undergo modernization. According to recent reports, the US Marines have seven Hornet squadrons of 12 aircraft each. A total of 112 radars were ordered, including spare units. Modernization work is planned to be completed by May 2022.

According to the command of the ILC, the installation of a new radar with AFAR will significantly expand combat capabilities aviation marine corps.

The F / A-18 carrier-based fighter was developed by McDonnel Douglas in the 70s and was upgraded several times during operation. During the production, about 2000 Hornet fighters, armed with the US Navy and the Marine Corps, as well as the armies of some NATO countries, were produced.

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[NEXUS]

I’m looking at the fact that AFARs, Chinese, Jews, etc. everywhere put mattresses everywhere ... but what are we waiting for? ROFAR? So he will not appear soon. Or apparently they don’t say something to us. Undoubtedly ROFAR on our planes, air defense systems, ships, etc. would make our aircraft much more efficient.

[Gray brother]

Radar stations "Bars" and "Irbis".
Passive gratings should not be discounted.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: NEXUS

I’m looking at the fact that AFARs, Chinese, Jews, etc. everywhere put mattresses everywhere ... but what are we waiting for? ROFAR? So he will not appear soon. Or apparently they don’t say something to us. Undoubtedly ROFAR on our planes, air defense systems, ships, etc. would make our aircraft much more efficient.

There are AFARs on the Su-57 and Mig-35. As soon as they go into the series. Moreover, the question of completing the Mig-35 for the Russian Air Force should be addressed to the RF Ministry of Defense. Otherwise, they will decide to save money and buy without an AFAR.

Now the MiG-35S is equipped with a fairly modern radar with AFAR "Zhuk-AE" ("FGA-29"). The antenna sheet of the radar with a diameter of 0,575 m is represented by 680 PPM with a total impulse power of 3400 W, due to which the station can escort 30 ACs on the aisle and attack up to 6 missiles of the RVV-AE (R-77) type, but only at a distance of 130 km.
To increase the range of air combat, it is planned to install a "reinforced" Zhuk-A radar. Its aperture will consist of more than 1000 PPM, and the pulse power will be significantly increased, due to which the range for the target of the “F-16C Block 60” type with armament should be up to 180 km, and of the type F-22A (EPR about 0,1, 2 m95) - about 110 - 35 km. Thus, the MiG-5S will be able to conduct long-range air combat with 27th generation American fighters, for which the earlier versions of the Su-29 and MiG-XNUMXS were little adapted.

SOAR of MiG-35S fighters will be able to detect in advance even the upgraded AIM-120C-8 missile launched from them from a range of 170 km, transmit its coordinates to Zhuk-AE radar, which will then “capture” it for interception by R-77 or RVV- missiles SD, because all of these systems operate in a single "fighting body" of a fighter. In this case, even the longer range of the Raptor radar and its smaller radar signature may not give the effect desired by the Americans.

https://army-news.ru/2015/10/modernizirovannye-mig-29-polozhat-na-lopatki-f-35a-i-f-22a-v-evrope-uzhe-k-2020-godu/

[Mikola]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

SOAR of MiG-35S fighters will be able to detect in advance even the upgraded AIM-120C-8 missile launched from them from a range of 170 km, transmit its coordinates to Zhuk-AE radar, which will then “capture” it for interception by R-77 or RVV- missiles SD

The range of the "Zhuk-AME" radar is more than 200 km, and why is it impossible to use the R-37M on the MiG-35?

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Mikola

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

SOAR of MiG-35S fighters will be able to detect in advance even the upgraded AIM-120C-8 missile launched from them from a range of 170 km, transmit its coordinates to Zhuk-AE radar, which will then “capture” it for interception by R-77 or RVV- missiles SD

The range of the "Zhuk-AME" radar is more than 200 km, and why is it impossible to use the R-37M on the MiG-35?

And the on-board Mig-35 radar will be able to give target designation to the R-37M missile at 300-400 km on target or at least get target designation from another side or air defense system at a target at a distance of 300-400 km? If yes, then use the R-37M at Mig -35 will be justified, since you can use the potential of the missile for its intended purpose. If the Mig-35 airborne radar sees a little more than 200 km, then it makes sense to use the R-37M? For such a distance (200 km) it is possible to use a medium-range missile K-77M (Product-180).

K-37M can destroy air targets in the opposite direction. After obtaining the coordinates, the inertial system directs the missile toward the object, therefore, on the marching section on the locators, the ammunition “does not glow”. Immediately in front of the target, an active radar homing head (GOS) is turned on. The enemy is able to detect its radiation, but the pilot has a fraction of a second to evade. In the final segment of the flight, the rocket accelerates to hypersonic speed - Mach 6.

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[Po-tzan]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

AFAR is on the Su-57

At all five?

[Mountain shooter]

Antennas with AFAR are very good. When they are fully operational, and configured. They consist of about ten thousand individual active elements, quite expensive, and operating at high specific powers.
These elements are slowly failing. Reducing the capabilities of the entire system. In the field, this is not treated. Any system has a downside. Undoubtedly, the reliability of the element base is growing, and its cost is falling. Gradually, antennas with AFAR will appear on Russian planes (some are already on).

[Evil Booth]

hih. but they work despite spoiling some

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Evil Booth

hih. but they work despite spoiling some

Of course they do. The loss of power is proportional to the "lost modules". Well, the quality of the picture ... like in a phone with dead pixels ... Gradually deteriorates. There are no miracles. You have to pay for everything.

[Evil Booth]

well, yes, exactly each flight eventually breaks down 50 percent of the modules and the men don’t know but you are not ill) the main thing is to take it in time and everything will be

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Evil Booth

well, yes, exactly each flight eventually breaks down 50 percent of the modules and the men don’t know but you are not ill) the main thing is to take it in time and everything will be

Why bother? I know what I'm writing about. These modules work in a very busy mode.
There are about 8 thousand of them in our AFARs. I don’t know how many are in enemy ones, but certainly not less. If 0.1% of the modules come out per hour of flight (actually a little more), after how many hours will the antenna weaken to an unacceptable (-30%) level? By the way, a forced cooling system works there, very complex, and VERY expensive. Synthetic diamond radiators ... transistors - gallium nitride on sapphire. And tuning the antennas in an anechoic chamber. Not at all in the field.
Radiator cooling - forced, liquid. And all this on an airplane, vibration, overload, temperature overboard ...

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Why bother? I know what I'm writing about. These modules work in a very busy mode.
In our AFARs there are about 8 thousand of them.

A knowledgeable person is good.

Do you want to cut sturgeon?
Every 7-8 ...
No?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: SovAr238A

Do you want to cut sturgeon?
Every 7-8 ...
No?

No. Each element has little power at all. And the antenna should emit tens of kilowatts in impulse (the average power is about 10 kW per "assembly") ...

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Quote: SovAr238A

Do you want to cut sturgeon?
Every 7-8 ...
No?

No. Each element has little power at all. And the antenna should emit tens of kilowatts in impulse (the average power is about 10 kW per "assembly") ...

Those. Do you want to say in all seriousness that in our aviation AFARs there are 8 thousand transceiver modules?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: SovAr238A

Those. Do you want to say in all seriousness that in our aviation AFARs there are 8 thousand transceiver modules?

No, I won’t. Until 1800. Memory failed, I'm sorry. Everything else - there is a place to be. And the cost, and the problems of liquid cooling, and the failure of elements ...

[SovAr238A]

Quote: NEXUS

I’m looking at the fact that AFARs, Chinese, Jews, etc. everywhere put mattresses everywhere ... but what are we waiting for? ROFAR? So he will not appear soon. Or apparently they don’t say something to us. Undoubtedly ROFAR on our planes, air defense systems, ships, etc. would make our aircraft much more efficient.

Andrei, you have been able to endure us with this ROFAR for 5-6-7 years ...
All the time you write about him as he is about to go into service, that he will reset all AFARs and all Stealths.

And now you finally understood that ROFAR is a fiction that everyone has already understood that it is a dead end and will not give anything?

[NEXUS]

Quote: SovAr238A

And now you finally understood that ROFAR is a fiction that everyone has already understood that it is a dead end and will not give anything?

You have all misinterpreted. ROFAR is not a fiction. And the work on ROFAR became known not 5 years ago, but only 3 years ago. I will say more, he really will reset all stealth bumblebees. And I did not change my opinion on this issue.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: SovAr238A

And now you finally understood that ROFAR is a fiction that everyone has already understood that it is a dead end and will not give anything?

You have all misinterpreted. ROFAR is not a fiction. And the work on ROFAR became known not 5 years ago, but only 3 years ago. I will say more, he really will reset all stealth bumblebees. And I did not change my opinion on this issue.

So what do you think ROFAR?
By definition, it cannot work except in the microwave range ...
Absorbed by all the organic matter - accordingly, it is almost useless to work on ground targets.
Due to the microwave range, the signal power and its range ...
Well, as it were, it’s very small.
What is the real beauty of ROFAR?

[Zaurbek]

Where are our AFARs? And there are no new ones and old ones too ....

[Sky strike fighter]

But what about the Su-57 and MiG-35?

[Zaurbek]

They are not yet serial .... and we do not know their filling. And their AFARs are not put on the upgraded Su30 / 34/35, which means they (AFAR) are not in serial production!

[Sky strike fighter]

So it is necessary to address the question of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation which cars and with what characteristics they need, what are the priorities. If the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation does not want to buy cars with AFAR, then AFAR will not be in serial production.

[Zaurbek]

On AWACS A100, also, it seems, is not AFAR.
Well, if you switched from slotted to PFAR, then the priorities are normal and modern.

[Sky strike fighter]

You contradict yourself, you say where the AFAR is, that the PFAR is normal and modern, but the developers of the airborne radars do not think so.

[Zaurbek]

Slot-hole - Pfar AFAR ..... I mean that the military wants industry can not.

[Sky strike fighter]

Or on the contrary, industry can, but for the military it is expensive and therefore choose the option to buy more cars for the same money, but easier? There is still a question of unification. We also need to maintain plants that are highly specialized in one particular machine. That's all there isn’t enough money for. Although in mind all plants need to be converted for the production of Su-57, Mig-35 and Su-34. But it turns out that we are building a VKS not on the basis of what the military wants, but with the world by thread , many different machines duplicating functions, such a zoo.

[Trickster]

Quote: NEXUS

I’m looking at the fact that AFARs, Chinese, Jews, etc. everywhere put mattresses everywhere ... but what are we waiting for? ROFAR? So he will not appear soon. Or apparently they don’t say something to us. Undoubtedly ROFAR on our planes, air defense systems, ships, etc. would make our aircraft much more efficient.

I just can’t understand where the idea came from in our brains that AFAR is, by definition, better than VFAR? Maybe first we compare the characteristics.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Trickster

I just can’t understand where the idea came from in our brains that AFAR is, by definition, better than VFAR? Maybe first we compare the characteristics.

Disputes are still going on which is better and what is worse. But AFAR has one indisputable advantage in the light of today - it is the best noise immunity. In modern realities, this is the defining advantage of AFAR.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Trickster

Quote: NEXUS

I’m looking at the fact that AFARs, Chinese, Jews, etc. everywhere put mattresses everywhere ... but what are we waiting for? ROFAR? So he will not appear soon. Or apparently they don’t say something to us. Undoubtedly ROFAR on our planes, air defense systems, ships, etc. would make our aircraft much more efficient.

I just can’t understand where the idea came from in our brains that AFAR is, by definition, better than VFAR? Maybe first we compare the characteristics.

AFAR is the next generation after the AFAR, as the developers themselves say. This is how to compare the Su-35 and Su-57.

Passive phased array antenna (PAR) is considered the first step on the road to AFAR.

Active phased array antenna (AFAR) is the next step in the development of airborne radar systems.

What is the main difference from the passive PAR? Each AFAR cell contains its own transceiver. Their number may exceed one thousand. That is, in the AFAR each array module contains a phase shifter, a transmitter and a receiver, dispensing with one large transmitter, as in radars with a passive headlamp.

https://rostec.ru/news/afar-novoe-zrenie-sovremennogo-istrebitelya-/

[Mikola]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Active phased array antenna (AFAR) is the next step in the development of airborne radar systems.

And what is the best noise immunity - for VFAR or AFAR?

[Sky strike fighter]

At AFAR of course.

[Genry]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

At AFAR of course.

Why?
The receiving modules will be equally exposed to the interference source ...

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Genry

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

At AFAR of course.

Why?
The receiving modules will be equally exposed to the interference source ...

With an identical result, active arrays are much more reliable: the failure of one transceiver element of the arrays only distorts the antenna radiation pattern, somewhat worsening the characteristics of the locator, but in general it remains operational. The catastrophic failure of the transmitter lamp, which is a problem with conventional radars, simply cannot happen. An additional benefit is weight saving: there is no large high power lamp, associated cooling system and massive high voltage power supply.

[Genry]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

active grids are much more reliable

I asked a question in the context of noise immunity.

[magadan72]

Key word "WILL BE ..." AFAR ... when !?

[sanik2020]

AFAR and PFAR have their own strengths and weaknesses, it’s just that the doctrine came first in the first place, to see, shoot and run first, and here the advantage seems to be AFAR. But here it all depends on the positional position of the rivals, on the availability of effective on-board defense systems and other factors allowing them to thwart an attack at a long distance. But when a long-range attack is foiled, rapprochement is inevitable and here the aircraft maneuverability, pilot skill and intuition come first.
So the AFAR is good but expensive and the PFAR is not particularly bad, but cheaper, I think that IRBIS has not yet said its word.

[Sky strike fighter]

that IRBIS has not yet said its word.

The developers of the airborne radars themselves say that the PFAR’s modernization potential has been exhausted. What the future is for AFAR. I searched for this article but couldn’t find it. I’d give the link. It’s all about money. Su-57 and Zhuk-AM on the Mig-35, if the Russian Ministry of Defense of course orders the Mig-35 with AFAR, and not save again.

AFAR and PFAR have their advantages and disadvantages

These are different generations of airborne radars.

But when a long-range attack is foiled, rapprochement is inevitable and here the aircraft maneuverability, pilot skill and intuition come first.

We must still live to get closer.

[donavi49]

Well this is how it goes. The other side is not going to go to the dog dump. And he repels tactics from throwing 4-5 AIM-120S7 pieces with a margin and let him super maneuver, not maneuver from everything.

Trying to drop into dogfight when rockets are launched at you is not very promising. Especially now that the missiles are pretty smart and maneuverable. This Sperow was still quite easily dispensed with (and the losses are substantial), now put on it, the position is so-so.

Well, you can add that the main rocket remains the ancient R-27. Even in Syria. Even VIPs of Shoigu level are found with R-27.

[Gray brother]

They hung a lot, it looks beautiful. The combat radius naturally fell.

[Sky strike fighter]

Serially produced R-77-1, in no way inferior
It was decided to upgrade the AIM-120-C7.R-27 aircraft in the arsenal of the airborne forces to a modern level; they will install a new engine and ARLGSN.

The homing heads of the missiles, as well as the guidance features, are also better than the American ones, especially when used in the improved R-27ER, EM and ET missiles, which are distinguished by more powerful engines and have ranges in PPS: R-27ER - 130 km, R-27EM - 150 km, R-27ET - 90 km.

https://army-news.ru/2014/09/sootvetstvuet-li-semejstvo-r-27-kriteriyam-sovremennoj-vojny-v-vozduxe/

[Mikola]

Quote: donavi49

Well, you can add that the main rocket remains the ancient R-27. Even in Syria.

But what about the R-37M? She is better and very difficult to intercept.

[Sky strike fighter]

Not every car has such a powerful airborne radar that can direct the R-37M to the target. The Mig-31BMs are mainly carried by the R-37M, they have a powerful Zaslon-AM airborne radar that sees 320 km. A Su-57 with a powerful AFAR can be carried in the internal compartments of the R-37M and give long range target designation to use the P- 37M, because if the aircraft cannot give target designation for 300-400 km, then it makes sense to use the R-37M, you can work up to 200 km with the K-77M or R-77-1 missile at a distance of up to 120 km. The question is whether it is advisable to use P -37M from one side or another.

[Evil Booth]

as a result, it turns out that the new radar sees not at 70 but at 90 km, but a moment31 knocked it over 40 years ago .. aim120 will not throw any f120 or 18 even with afar because it is blind without e15s support or what current thread do we have c2 and e400s can not look at all here. Su2 is the only long-range combat aircraft and MiG35BM, but it’s not quite a fighter anymore, and even a bomber if necessary. Aim31 and f120 wears and for decades already what? he is blind. carry missiles over p16 and why? and it will cost afar as a squadron of f27 .. and will be able to bring down for several distant maximum launch of the PRR huh? at the same time at any height and you can immediately start talking about flying in supersonic for longer than a couple of minutes and almost empty ...

[gemini]

The experience of the past shows that almost always long-range missile combat goes into close combat, for a number of reasons. Ignoring close air combat can be expensive.

[kit88]

Quote: sanik2020

But when a long-range attack is foiled, rapprochement is inevitable and here the aircraft maneuverability, pilot skill and intuition come first.

It is believed that:
The statistics of combat use over the past 15 years gives a clear picture: all air battles in which the fourth generation fighters took part took place at a long distance (100% of victories were won using medium and long-range air-to-air missiles).

[sanik2020]

We need to live to get closer

So this is the case when one technique induces another to oppose it.
And again the notorious influence factors.

[Po-tzan]

I’m watching that mattresses are everywhere put by AFARs, Chinese, Jews, etc. ... what are we waiting for?

100 dollar.

[Sky strike fighter]

Are we buying AFAR from someone for dollars abroad? In my opinion, we are buying from ourselves for rubles. So there is no connection.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Are we buying AFAR from someone for dollars abroad? In my opinion, we are buying from ourselves for rubles. So there is no connection.

Do you really think that all these rare-earth materials, and not only them, almost all the materials that are sold in our country and from which AFAR components are made, have a ruble price?
Oh well...
All materials - have only exchange price!
What in the world, what in Russia.
And the exchange price is pegged to the dollar.
And if yesterday (at a dollar of 60) steel was worth 50000 rubles per ton of rolled products, but now (at a dollar of 88) a ton of steel is worth 73000 rubles in the price list - is that how?
In rubles or dollars?
Essentially that?

Such an announcement on the website of the company, a simple trader chernushka
"Dear partners, at present, due to fluctuations in the dollar exchange rate, prices for rolled metal products may change, please call in advance or send an application."
never seen?

[Evil Booth]

exchange in the usa fell more than in the 30s)) so what?