What do historians say?

Shot from the movie Caligula. His life is also storyHowever, at school it is not possible to introduce anyone to her. So then the feeling arises that history is kutsaya, and historians are “not saying anything”. And how do you finish it - fifth graders?

Historical science against pseudoscience. Not so long ago, a discussion on pseudo-historical topics flared up again in the pages of VO, and accusations were again heard that mischievous historians had conspired with and hidden from the poor Russian citizens certain "secrets and mysteries" of history that were extremely important to them. That, well, they say, that's why we don’t know her. Although, in fact, the reason is different, namely the inability to learn and intellectual laziness.

The latter, however, is not so much fault as the misfortune of many of our citizens. Probably, many of those who visit the VO traveled in reserved seats. Pay attention to what people are doing on the trip. They eat, look at mobile phones and even read. But how? Many people still have their lips moving, that is, they pronounce the readable text to themselves. Such reading allows you to learn only 20% of the text! It happens that the lips themselves are motionless, but the larynx moves. This “laryngophonic reading” is 50 to 50. And only when the text is scanned by the eyes (“quick reading”), the text is absorbed by 80-90%. But in our schools they do not teach speed reading, especially in classes where there are many people from the "southern countries", it’s hard for them to read anyway. Advertisers are well aware that a layman forgets 90% of what they read in 90 days. Hence the formula “90 + 1” - and everything can start from the beginning. As a rule, only a trademark remains in the mind, except perhaps the name of the person they are talking about. That's why there is no advertising better than a scandal!

That is, it is clear that people with a poor vocabulary and primitive reading technology may be interested only in something completely sensational: the Egyptians who invented a helicopter and a light bulb, the Maya Indians flying on jet planes, the Russian-Tartarian nuclear war, which went from 1780 to 1816. Here you can strain the gray matter of your brain, even remember something, and then “tell the peasants” so that they, these very peasants, then tell someone else. Read dozens of volumes of PSRL "bad dumb", and it is clear that they are all faked ...

That is, it’s difficult to interest people in this story, but it’s easy to do all sorts of nonsense. There is one more reason. The reason is how we teach history at school.

Recall that the history of the Ancient World is taught to us in the 5th grade. And she ... scumbag. And therefore not very interesting. But the other, she simply CAN’T BE. Do you know why? Because at this age, children, our Russian children in the first place, are simply not ready to learn all that is the same ancient culture and history.

God Atum. The lady Nestarut is brought to him by the god Thoth. The louvre museum

Well, for example, when in the fifth grade we studied the history of Ancient Egypt, we were told about some beast-headed gods and the first myths about the creation of the world. But they didn’t tell us, and this is not even in the textbook, that among the Egyptian gods there was such a god - Atum. This god was bisexual and held his “female part” in his hand. He created the world by pouring his seed into his own mouth, and then spitting out the cat goddess Tefnut and her husband Shu. According to the Egyptians, this is how the Universe appeared.

Tomb of Horemheb. Gods Atum, Osiris and Ptah. Dynasty XVIII, reign. Saqqara, Egypt

Or, for example, the story of the goddess Aphrodite. It seems that everyone knows that she was born from sea foam, right? In fact, the story of Aphrodite begins with the moment when her father Uranus was sprinkled by his own son Kronos for the fact that only Cyclops monsters were born from Uranus from Uranus. Kronos threw his father’s genitals into the sea, and when the genital organ of Uranus fell into the depths of the sea, the “white foam” just formed, and from it the goddess of love Aphrodite was born.

Saracen stone (foreground) and Aphrodite's stone (background). View of the birthplace of Aphrodite from a hill - Aphrodite's Bay in Paphos. Cyprus, distant boulders

But, of course, the strangest myth comes all from the same Egypt. And it’s clear why fifth graders don’t talk about him, and you won’t find him in textbooks. The fact is that after the son of Osiris Gore took the throne, the evil Set did not accept his defeat and decided to regain power. But the Egyptians believed that anyone who, so to speak, was "used as a woman," cannot be a god. So Seth, having conceived the evil, came to the Mountain at night, and in order to make his claim to the throne baseless, reclined with him as with a woman. Izida, learning what happened with her son, asked her to fill the pot with her sperm and poured it into Seth's salad. Without suspecting anything, he ate the salad and became pregnant. So Horus managed to save his throne. Very funny story, right? Now imagine that the teacher tells all this to five-year-old children, and your daughter got to write an essay on the battle of Horus and Seth in all its details! ..

Seth and Horus crown Ramses II. Small Temple in Abu Simbel

But you can tell them about how the Romans worshiped the winged phallus (by the way, many children then learn what it is, otherwise they know the other names of this thing, but this is not!), And how Scandinavian the god Loki was to laugh at the daughter of the giant Skadi, and did this by tying a rope on his testicles, and tying it to the goat with the other end, which he also whipped with a twig. About how the penis of the same Osiris was eaten by fish, and Isis, his wife, fashioned a new one for him from clay, and, having become pregnant from him, gave birth to a son Horus.

A fragment of the figure, perhaps mourning the husband of Isis. XVIII dynasty. The louvre museum

The fact that Emperor Caligula opened a brothel, in which you can get one of his three sisters for 30 thousand sisters, and Emperor Heliogabal, speaking on the stage, "did this and that," and besides, he also " did, ”it’s also hardly worth telling in the fifth grade, as well as in the sixth ... But after reaching 18 years it seems to be possible, but the Ancient World at this age no longer passes, and if they pass, then only at universities on special historical departments.

And he looked like a very decent young man, this Heliogabal ...

But let alone disgrace and turn to the military theme. Wasn’t we informed just recently, moreover, in a textbook for 4th grade that the knights drowned in the Battle of the Ice? But the fact that their water is a "flood" is reported in the text of the annals, which is older than the earliest reports about it by as much as 100 years. What, new eyewitnesses during this time appeared, as well as the "seer" who saw there "God's regiment in the air"?

But this is a variation of Osiris in Roman: the god Priapus. Pompeii, House of Vettias

Read on. Textbook 7th grade. "The knights moved in a" pig ", in the middle there was a heavily armed infantry in iron shells and with axes ...". Where did this nonsense come from and how did it get into the school textbook? Where, in what annals did these authors “dig up” these axes? The miracle was there in the allies of the knight brothers. Alright! "People from the forest" for whom such weapon, like a knife and a knife, were the ultimate dream. Just don’t have to think about how 99% of our citizens think about it, that stag beetle is a wooden double-toothed fork for tedding hay. No, this spear is such, with an iron tip and a crossbeam behind it, so that it does not penetrate far into the flesh.

Let us recall the explanation found again in textbooks, because because Bobrok Volynets did not enter the battle on Kulikovo Field, because ... he was waiting for the south wind. And the south wind blew, carried the dust into the eyes of the Tatars, and then he led them into the attack. But how could this even happen, because it was the Tatars in the south, and the Russians in the north! How many teachers asked, no one could explain. And all because, although the teacher must learn all his life, really our teachers do not want to do this. That is, they did not read Danilevsky I. N., and therefore do not know how this is explained to him. And it is explained logically.

Boleslav the Brave and Svyatopolk at the Golden Gate of Kiev (painting by Jan Matejko)

Or here is another good example of what literally in history, including the annals, cannot be perceived and considerable intelligence is needed to understand many sources correctly. So, “The Tale of Bygone Years” reports that Prince Svyatopolk the Cursed “died between Poles and Chakhs”, in the desert ... And there were historians who even began to search for this place. But philologists pointed out that “between the Poles and the Chakhs” at that time it made sense “not know where,” but not at all a specific place on the Czech-Polish border. And now, not knowing many such trifles, one can make many completely unbelievable “discoveries”, including finding the place of his death!

Loki. Sculpture by Malcolm Lidbury for the LGBT project "History and Art 2016". Cornwall, UK

And you always need to remember that there were and will always be more than three graduate students who graduated from higher educational institutions than excellent students and good students. And where are they all, these three-year-olds from the "pedyushnikov", gone? From my 1977 issue, for example, did everyone go where? To school! And all the excellent students went to work where? To university! One wants to exclaim: “Poor school!”, But so far it has not been possible to do otherwise. Threes went to work in school and in the USSR, and now they go there. There were exceptions (oh, yes!), Of course, there were, and in the USSR, and today they also exist, but they are few. As always, everything fits into the standard scheme: 80 and 20. 80% of mediocrity go to work in school, and 20 ... also go there often, but then leave from there.

Fragment of the Book of the Dead by Hunfer, depicting the court of Osiris. OK. 1310 BC e. British museum. Beautiful picture, right? And maybe one of our school teachers will even say that this is the “Court of Osiris”. But that’s all. Because he never saw her live, since he hadn’t been to the British Museum

In a word, this is a long-standing problem, from the time when it was somehow decided that people without university diplomas were quite capable of creating a better society than that run by the graduates of Oxford and Yale. And something even they did. But only later, however, they still outplayed these “comrades”. But the conviction that deep knowledge in the humanitarian fields, by and large, is not so necessary, remains. And this is not true! If you, even if you have no special education, are interested in something in the same historical field, then you need to start with the simplest thing, that is, take and simply sequentially accumulate information. To begin self-education not from reading “revealing books” in bright covers, but from the historiography of any issue. From the source. That is, lay a certain foundation of knowledge. And then, standing on it, move somewhere in breadth and inland. And only then make statements that historians are not saying anything there. Threesomes do not say anything because they themselves do not know. But there are also good specialists, and it is necessary to look at them and their published works, moreover, printed in reputable publications and always with reviews by the RAS or relevant institutes. Theses, master's and doctoral, are also a great source of information, moreover, all of them are posted on the Internet today.

Comments

[Catfish]

Hello everyone and best wishes! Thanks to Olegovich for the new article.

[Alexander Suvorov]

Well, yes, it’s funny to read about falsification of history from the falsifier of history itself. No, I can’t say anything bad about the cycles of the author’s articles about knights or samurai, sensible articles, although not without flaws. But here are the author’s articles about his unhappy soviet childhood or about the Soviet period in general, this is complete falsification and manipulation of facts. So it’s not for this author to talk about distortions in history.

[Snail N9]

The author needs to read Japanese history textbooks for schoolchildren - that's where he would have gone nuts from "wonderful discoveries". Japanese "history" is generally something, for the Japanese in general, there is no history of either Egypt, Greece, or other countries, so it is mentioned that there were, they say, somewhere "backward countries" and "states" and that's it, a little mentions China, the states of the Korean Peninsula, but the history of Japan itself is studied thoroughly to the smallest event, to the last "nail" ..

[kalibr]

Quote: Snail N9

The author needs to read Japanese history textbooks for schoolchildren - that's where he would have gone nuts from "wonderful discoveries".

Unfortunately, I have not read it. But if you read, and own this topic, it would be interesting to receive from you an article for VO in the amount of 8000 characters.

[YOUR]

Quote: kalibr

And you always need to remember that there were and will always be more than three graduate students who graduated from higher educational institutions than excellent students and good students. And where are they all, these three-year-olds from the "pedyushnikov", gone? From my 1977 issue, for example, did everyone go where? To school!

He worked with one interesting man. In the past, a teacher of physics and mathematics. Such masterpieces were given by Mama Do not Cry. At first I thought I was kidding. For example, you can’t open the microwave door because harmful waves still run there, reflected from the walls. Or another masterpiece. Two antennas on the receiver are a sign of stereo reception. On each antenna it catches its own channel, which are already superimposed on each other in the receiver and stereo sound is obtained. The question of what is the Hertz dipole caused a stupor. He told how he handed over the session. This is generally prohibitive, I sat quietly and was dying, I retook one session 8 times.
Such teachers here sometimes leave institutions. Naturally, not all and such a minimum, but they are.

[YOUR]

Not having finished sending. I ask why I left school. The answer is a masterpiece. Well, these of them are sitting dumb as traffic jams. And they pay little.

[Lipchanin]

"I explain it to them, I already understood it myself, but they still can't"

[antivirus]

I'm all about spoons and cons ... however
I also wrote that, with complete illiteracy, - REPRESENT A LEVEL OF KNOWLEDGE (COMPETENCIES) AND THE POSITION OF THINGS AND COUNTRIES (former EMPIRE) -120 MILLION LITERATURE, AROUND 50 YEARS WHERE WENT TO JARMEN WATER LOSS WITHOUT ) as well as aviation, it’s necessary to recruit several hundred thousand technical pilots (not 300 planes as in WWI), and the teachers themselves + university professors, + +++, + officials (Brezhnev was at the forefront with the technical school) 7 cl education, and in morgues who opened? and all this went to the IVS, if there was Trotsky?
ran 100 years in 10, erased heels to blood

[Astra wild]

Your colleague, Vyacheslav Olegovich once, and he did not say, but you, what do you propose to do with mediocre teachers? Maybe a stone around the neck and with twists? But here comes the first question: who will determine the teacher’s abilities? Second question: where do mediocre teachers come from?

[Arthur 85]

From there, that people are basically stupid. This is how evolution ordered it, we are not to blame. We still need to finish the artificial intelligence, which will “download the school curriculum in 10 minutes,” find logical inconsistencies in it, turn to the primary sources, calm down ... And it's time for us to leave the stage.

[evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru]

Not so, dear Arthur 85. We can’t go anywhere. This is - and, unfortunately, and, fortunately,. So to speak, they are doomed, ... to deal with these and other questions of being.
The paramount task is to remain PEOPLE.
Two varieties of homo sapiens are people and nonhumans. Moreover, the second with each century more and more conveniently located on the neck of the first. That's the whole, intrigue, of the historical process!
Here our ancestors managed to throw, brown, non-humans from their neck during the Second World War. And earlier they threw off the whites. Which are now sitting on the neck? I'll tell you ... U and x is in fashion now a rainbow flag ... By the way, about n and in this matter behave like ordinary helmets, or bugs, or leeches ... Assign decent characters to PEOPLE. Earlier, these guys called themselves “blue”. Blue is the color of the Mother of God. Domes of Russian churches have been painted this color for centuries. Oh, and to this color ,, from which side ,,? Or now ... A rainbow is a symbol of the covenant of the Creator and creation. That there will be no more world-class floods. Oh and here, why and why? Rainbow and sodomites - nothing in common. Heaven refers to them with HATE. Examples? Sodom, Gomorrah, Pompeii ...
PEOPLE don't need an ugly story. What for? No need, blackness, for the sake of, the truth,. People and nonhumans, truths, are different. By the way, the Nazis in the occupied territory published their newspaper, True, and even mailed the font of the headline.
PEOPLE love God and people. In this - ,, the secret of mastery ,,. If you love the Creator, why do you need to repeat the nonsense of the pagans about ,, foam ,,,, genitals ,, and so on? Moreover, to load, with this rubbish the heads of Russian children whose Motherland was baptized more than 1000 years ago?

[icelord]

From damn it, people mixed up in a bunch of horses, they themselves understood what you want?

[YOUR]

Where do they come from? They come from paid faculties. Paid and stood in a 5-year turn for a diploma.

[yriuv62]

And their excellent students and good students who go to college teach.

[aakvit]

If a person does not need knowledge, just a diploma or a slope from the army, - teach him, do not teach, he will NOT learn! When the goal is at least some kind of diploma, and there we will mow the dibs, then the sage will not teach anything like that!

[Rusfaner]

"... one interesting little man. In the past, a teacher of physics and mathematics. Such masterpieces were given by my mother do not cry ..." (c)
What a "one"! There are thousands of them!
When my daughter began to bring me similar pearls from school about radio and radio wave propagation, I boiled over and went to see what kind of "physicist" he was ?! Found a 45-year-old aunt, tortured by everyday life, talked. She turned out to be a rare honesty: she said that she got married at the university and handed in sessions "automatically", like a maternity / young mother, etc. But, well done, she asked me to come to her to read a couple of lectures in the 10th grade, at least for career guidance. We talked about salaries and felt sorry for the teachers - good or bad, they still go to work for that kind of money.
I'm afraid to misinterpret, but, in my opinion, Bismarck said that a school teacher and a parish priest helped him create a united Germany. Teacher - that’s whose status and financial situation should cause white envy! Then the above 20% of the best university graduates will remain at this job, and the three-year-olds will go to the national economy because of the lack of demand at school. IMHO.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Rusfaner

I'm afraid to misinterpret, but, in my opinion, Bismarck said that a school teacher and a parish priest helped him create a united Germany.

He also said that "the Franco-Prussian war was won by a German teacher."

[Alex Nevs]

And then how to manage the state and do business? After all, almost ALL will become smart. And then capitalism. This will not work. It was under the building of socialism that there was a STRIKE on "study. Study and study." Now it is the future hemorrhoid for the business.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Alex Nevs

And then capitalism. This will not work. It was under the building of socialism that there was a STRIKE on "study. Study and study." Now it is the future hemorrhoid for the business.

What should I do? And what is being done is a systemic artificial degradation of the education system, consistently carried out by the leadership of our country, and the transformation of education from a universal right into a paid service, and even into a privilege! What is the task? So it is written in the current education law - "to bring up a literate consumer"

[E_V_N]

Quote: Rusfaner

Then the above 20% of the best university graduates will remain at this job, and the three-year-olds will go to the national economy because of the lack of demand at school. IMHO.

And why do triplets in the national economy? So that more planes fall and houses with bridges collapse? So that the phones do not ring and the cars do not drive?
Only the management does not need the "too smart" ones, they will start asking questions, expressing dissatisfaction with stupid orders, otherwise, God forbid, the boss will be caught.
Yes you are a revolutionary, my friend

[your1970]

Quote: Rusfaner

Teacher - that’s whose status and financial situation should cause white envy! Then, the above 20% of the best graduates of universities will remain at this job, and the three-year-olds will go to the national economy because of the lack of demand for school. IMHO.

-absolutely agree!!!

Quote: Alex Nevs

It was under building socialism was a blow to "learn. Learn and learn."

-aha "will not study at school - you will go to the pedagogue !!" USSR, 70s ..
And remember - there were practically no men in the Soviet school. Why? And they paid a penny, of course, the men did not go there to work at all.
There were NVPshniki retired (who had already received a military pension), physical education from former athletes who had completed their careers (and who did not have another specialty), and Trudoviks
Other teachers of men - a global rarity was ....

[Dimy4]

Or another masterpiece. Two antennas on the receiver are a sign of stereo reception. On each antenna it catches its own channel, which are already superimposed on each other in the receiver and stereo sound is obtained.

I almost fell out of my chair with laughter! Here is the real stereo!

[Altona]

Quote: kalibr

Unfortunately, I have not read it. But if you read, and own this topic, it would be interesting to receive from you an article for VO in the amount of 8000 characters.

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Vyacheslav, if there are electronic sources, please provide links. I love to worship ancient myths, all these ancient goddesses, demigoddesses, nymphs and gods.

[vindigo]

Maybe they are highly specialized guys and believe that it’s enough for the Japanese to know their history, and let the inhabitants of other countries study their own.

[Albert1988]

Quote: vindigo

Maybe they are highly specialized guys and believe that it’s enough for the Japanese to know their history, and let the inhabitants of other countries study their own.

In general, there is nothing at all surprising - as in most countries of the world - they only learn their history and history, briefly, of their closest neighbors, and who is a little farther away, yes, more ancient - yes, joking with him ...

[Tavrik]

For Japan, the history of Egypt and Greece exists to the same extent as for us the history of Japan.

[carstorm 11]

Well, firstly it's a lie. at what very childish. history in general in Asia is taught, of course, differing from the world, but nevertheless one does not have to write nonsense about the Japanese ignorance of world history. The modern system of public education in Japan includes primary (duration of study 6 years), incomplete secondary (3 years) and full secondary (3 years) schools, while the first and second levels are compulsory. The teaching of history in the framework of the school curriculum begins with the last, sixth grade of elementary school. Further, in the incomplete secondary school, within the framework of the discipline "social science", the "historical section" is taught along with the "geographical" and "civic". All of them are required items. The elementary school teaches the history of Japan since the advent of man, and within the framework of an incomplete secondary school, mainly the history of the country against the background of global history. And, finally, within the framework of a full secondary school (education in which is not compulsory, but almost all of them take it - 97%), history teaching is divided into two disciplines - “world history” and “history of Japan”, the latter being no more than than one of the disciplines of the student’s choice. While in primary and junior high schools the main emphasis is on the history of one’s own country, the full attention is paid to foreign history within the framework of full secondary education. You don’t need to read bloggers who are sick on the head but simply study the issue. Without taking important things out of context.

[Mikhail m]

Quote: Snail N9

Japanese "history" is generally something, for the Japanese in general, there is no history of Egypt, Greece, or other countries,

But we study the history of Egypt, Greece, Rome and others. But how much do we know about who and how lived on the territory of Russia before Christianity? The pantheon of Slavic gods seems to be a forbidden topic. Besides Perun, the vast majority will not name anyone. Why is this attitude to your story?

[icelord]

And no one knows about the Slavic gods, there are no sources, they were illiterate

[Podvodnik]

but the history of Japan itself is studied thoroughly to the smallest event, to the last "nail

The child received a book "In the sky of Oranienbaum" (a team of authors) as a prize. How I read it !!!! Yo-mayo! Here such events took place, "but the muzhuki do not know." It is a pity that we do not know not only the history of our native lands, the history of Russia is superficial. But the myths of ancient Greece are taught ... It's a pity. And so you dig a little bit and you are surprised at the events of the past years: our ancestors were also not bastard.

[kalibr]

Quote: Alexander Suvorov

complete falsification

The complete falsification, Alexander, is when there are no links to documents. Your attention is not even presented links, but photocopies of documents. Show me at least one place in my materials that would not be confirmed by reference or photocopy. In the article about 9 liters there were no links. But all the information was taken from the Penza local history website, as was written in the comments. You can check. The difference is only that which is indicated in quarters, and I have converted to liters. So don’t do it ... falsification.

[The leader of the Redskins]

You know, Vyacheslav Olegovich, I myself once "got into prasak") And this despite the fact that the boy was well-read.
The historian told us about Cleopatra. And, in passing, he mentioned that she was a courtesan. But we have not heard such a word! Well, I, as the bravest, and ask again - and who is this?
Here the historian was already oblivious, but nevertheless decided after the "woman of easy virtue" to add the "prostitute" allowed in the cinema!))

[kalibr]

Who didn't get it? In 1964, I do political information in the class ... About the Cultural Revolution and ... dzaofanei. And I read the word "red guards" incorrectly, with a tilt into the Russian folk dialect. Well, I'm spar ... oh, it was cool. And most importantly, "a boy from a good family" could not be accused of hooligan motives!

[Insurgent]

About how the penis of the same Osiris was eaten by fish, and Isis, his wife, fashioned a new one for him from clay, and, having become pregnant from him, gave birth to a son Horus.

Isis (Isis), the Egyptian goddess, after whom the Center for Reproductive Medicine (Isis-Don-Ivf) is named in Donetsk (DPR), which in 1998 began its activity as a branch of the Kiev clinic "Isis-Ivf", but then grew into an independent scientific medical Center.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: kalibr

In 1964, I was doing political information in the classroom ... About the cultural revolution and ... Dzaofani.

Zhaofani only appeared in 1966. Why I know, because like you did political information. I talked about Zzaofan in 1967, when I moved to the 7th grade. I don’t find fault with such trifles, but I just remembered too ...

[kalibr]

Yes, human memory is imperfect ... Therefore, it is best to look at documents!

[A. Privalov]

Quote: kalibr

Yes, human memory is imperfect ... Therefore, it is best to look at documents!

There's nothing you can do. Such subtleties today only for connoisseurs, alas ...

[A.Lex]

And who draws up the documents? What historians? Who wrote the history of Ancient Russia? Where are the primary sources? But the information "floated" that the history of the DR US was written by the Germans after the destruction of the primary sources (when they reached the archives under Peter I). After all, if you look at the pre-Petrine history of Russia, then you read a lot of this! Also about Ivan the Terrible "who killed his son" ... and about the fact that Rurik was a VIKING ... It's a terrible horror!
And where is the Doryurik story ???

[kalibr]

Quote: A.Lex

Where are the primary sources? But the information "floated" that the history of the DR US was written by the Germans after the destruction of the primary sources (when they reached the archives under Peter I).

In the HISTORY section, just about this there were already 2 materials. Take a look. Apparently, you missed them ...

[Podvodnik]

And where is the Doryurik story ???

They cleaned everything up, adjusting the basis for the origin and antiquity of the Romanovs.

[knn54]

I wonder if the children would understand the word "walking".
Vyacheslav, WHY didn’t the Slavic pantheon of gods be studied in schools?

[kalibr]

Quote: knn54

Vyacheslav, WHY didn’t the Slavic pantheon of gods be studied in schools?

This has already been discussed. It is studied, but not as deeply as in the history of Greece. And then, what do we really know about him? Christianity has covered everything ...

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: kalibr

Christianity has covered everything ...

Oh, did you recognize the facts of fraud in Vyacheslav?

[kalibr]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Christianity has covered everything ...

The cover does not mean rigging. These are different things, right? And then fakes and fabrication of fakes always took place. But not the way they write about it in relation to the history of Russia. By the way, there were already two of my material about this here. You can look at the profile or in the HISTORY section.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Here the historian was already oblivious, but nevertheless decided after the "woman of easy virtue" to add the "prostitute" allowed in the cinema!))

Still, the courtesan is not a prostitute, it is, yes, a woman of easy virtue, but spinning in high societyleading social life and kept by wealthy and powerful lovers.
Still, she chose her lover (s)] herself, unlike the classic ave.

There is, in my opinion, a more characteristic word pronounced, for example, when unexpected stumble, fall, etc.

[The leader of the Redskins]

But it is unprintable)))

[Olgovich]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

But it is unprintable)))

But pronounced))

[www3]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

But it is unprintable)))

how is it not printed?
if memory serves, it is found in A. Tolstoy's novel "Peter 1".
which by the way, when it was part of the school curriculum.))

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

after "woman of easy virtue" add "prostitute" allowed in the movie!))

Mdaaa ... your historian ... did not "catch up"! The definition of "prostitute" is the simplest and most primitive explanation of such concepts as "courtesan", "hetero", "geisha" ...

[Albert1988]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

"geisha"

But the geisha here at all from the side bake ...

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Albert1988

But the geisha here at all from the side bake ...

Mdaaa ... judging by this "saying", you are still that "japanist" ... "to and fro"! I recommend that you better "delve into" the topic ... read more about getters, courtesans, geisha! Only for each "question" do not "be satisfied" with only one source! Read at least (!) Three sources ...

[Albert1988]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Mdaaa ... judging by this "saying", you are still that "japanist" ...

I’m curious, I don’t have any words, but the Japanese are among close friends and spoke well with the Japanese, really in English ... Geisha - well, never a getter or courtesan, she could have close contact with a man only once in her life - a ritual loss virginity and trunc ...

[Nikolaevich I]

Once again "I recommend" (!): Read more! About geisha ... getters ... courtesans! Use different (!) Sources! And then, perhaps, you will understand the "common and difference" ... for example, between a heterosexual and a geisha! As Kozma Prutkov "expressed": "A narrow specialist is like a gumboil ... its completeness is one-sided!" I could "chew" everything for you, explaining my point of view ... what I want to say ... cite fragments from different publications, different authors, showing different sides of the contested "phenomena" ... But I will not ... try " to know the essence of things "yourself!

[Albert1988]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Once again "I recommend" (!): Read more! About geisha ... getters ... courtesans! Use different (!) Sources!

Different sources - this is necessary, BUT! Here the catch is that they are exactly what are different - what is the point of reading, for example, the memories of Japan of stupid Caucasians, who in their colonial blindness wrote geisha from their shoulders in ordinary ... ..... ki? I, as NOT a specialist, can hardly immediately distinguish sources like fables from really trustworthy ones. And experts in Japan, with whom I had the good fortune to communicate closely, firstly, knew the situation from the inside, and secondly, they themselves drew Old from a variety of reliable sources)))

[Looking for]

such. as you. "getting into the prAsak" instead of "getting into the trash" is the definition - "tradesman in the nobility."

[aakvit]

But sarcasm should be caught!

[Siberian54]

In my class, many have already mastered Mosopan and such questions have not surfaced ..

[kalibr]

Quote: Alexander Suvorov

and completely ignore other sources.

If you, Alexander, do not have access to the archives, then how can you know that there are other sources? And you can't say that without access. And if not? For example, photocopies of reports from the head of the NKVD were presented. And there are no others. And that was what was hidden. And if all people here are literate, able to separate, then they should understand that all the positive (and even then not all!) Was in the newspapers. The newspaper "Pravda" is now digitized and anyone who owns a computer can watch it. So it’s not so interesting anymore. It is interesting just what was hidden from the "simple" and it is not my fault that there is only one g ... And if there were not one g ... by the way, we would still live in the USSR today and rejoice. And not really something Soviet education helped you to distinguish ... is not it?

[Alexander Suvorov]

kalibr (Vyacheslav)
For example, photocopies of the reports of the head of the NKVD were given. And there are no others.

Twenty-five again ... Take advantage of the fact that I cannot refute your words once in the archive, not good. Those. in order to refute your lie, I have to drop everything, rush to Moscow, to the archive, spend half a year to study archives, or even more, and for what? In order to dunk you in a bucket of your own slops? Will there be too much honor?
Or maybe everything is much simpler? Could it be enough to turn on the head and logic? I do not claim that the USSR was a paradise on Earth, I just do not specifically agree with your position on the USSR.
I see that you really do not have a sense of elementary decency, scolding what you praised before is at least a vile position (to put it mildly), and you don’t even understand this, or pretend you don’t understand.
There is no faith in a person who lied once, but you lie almost without stopping, so what kind of faith can you be?

[kalibr]

Quote: Alexander Suvorov

I do not claim that the USSR was a paradise on Earth

Already something, huh? And this is without visiting the archives. And if you were there, then ... progress would still be that. And do not turn on the head!

Quote: Alexander Suvorov

you lie almost without stopping

And you prove it! All the materials I have provided have links to sources or are photocopies. So - this is not a lie! And the charges are unproven in a lie, this is slander, by the way. And slander, stated in the media or in a public speech, is punishable by a fine of up to 1 rubles or the appointment of up to 000 hours of forced labor. I have long wanted to try this type of earnings on one of the readers of VO. True, now quarantine and all that. But sooner or later it will end and you will have to give explanations in court. Well, no one will give me a milien from you, but why not 000 ruble from each registered visitor of VO (audience)?

[Polymer]

Quote: kalibr

Well, no one will give me a milien from you, but why not 1 ruble from each registered visitor of VO (audience)?

Bravo! This is the true attitude of the author towards his readers! It was noticeable for a long time, but now "down with the mask" is straight. There is only one question - but what about the "sect of Shpakovsky's admirers", with them also "for 1 ruble"?

[kalibr]

Sergey, you do not understand. This does not mean the payment of the ruble per person, people have to do with it, but the amount that can be collected from the RESPONDENT, based on the number of registered. It is necessary to start from something? I just didn’t quite exactly express myself legally.

[Polymer]

By the defendant you mean a person with the nickname "Alexander Suvorov" or the site topwar.ru? Although, in the event of legal proceedings, the site "hits" anyway.
However, in my remark about the author’s attitude towards readers, this does not change anything. The threat of suing the opponent with a weighty argument, of course, but to science, as well as to creativity, it is not applicable, as it seems to me.

[kalibr]

Sergei. There is a specific person. There is a concrete example of slander. And where is the site? His duty, if there is an appropriate decision of the judiciary, is only to open the address and details of the anonymous person. And that’s all. And the allegations of lies have nothing to do with science. Go take documents, newspapers ... look, write, what's wrong. Can not? Then tame the language and express yourself ... otherwise.

[Polymer]

Quote: kalibr

And the allegations of lies have nothing to do with science.

Yeah, that means that a certain caste of "real" scientists quite so-so calmly accuses others of "pseudoscience", but don't they themselves? The one who has more rights is right - this is as usual.
But, speaking specifically on this occasion, in the comments on this article you have been repeatedly caught on the fact that you cannot confirm the truth of your statements. So you have a chance to lose the court. Think about it.

[Alf]

Quote: Polymer

Bravo! This is the author’s true attitude towards his readers!

It is very reminiscent of the scholarly debates in the Middle Ages — if the opponent has nothing to object to, then he applies the technique — so he is a heretic and that’s all ... the opponent is on the fire. So Mr. Shpakovskiy debate leads. When he has nothing to object to, he begins to give a meaningless set of words, ending with two phrases — I've written 100500 books and you're all ... and I'm one smart.
P.S. Let dates be your account number, I will transfer him one ruble.

[kalibr]

One, Vasily, I do not need. Especially with you. And you need a lot from a very specific person. The law is the law, Basil.

[Alf]

Quote: kalibr

One, Vasily, I do not need. Especially with you. And you need a lot from a very specific person. The law is the law, Basil.

Guys! Well, let’s throw it all the same, a person needs it, do you all feel sorry for the ruble?
Are not you afraid to run into a counterclaim? For slander? As an example, your article on NOVO models in the USSR will go, there you have been caught by the hand so many times that it will be possible to open a factory of models of the Star scale for the proceeds.

[Alexander Suvorov]

kalibr (Vyacheslav)
One, Vasily, I do not need. Especially with you. And you need a lot from a very specific person. The law is the law, Basil.

Do not laugh, otherwise I do not know what makes me laugh harder, from "fear" or from sheer delirium your statements.
And what do you bring to court? What are the reasons? These ones?

All the materials I have provided have links to sources or are photocopies. So - this is not a lie! And the charges are unproven in a lie, this is slander, by the way.

Yes, the court will send you know where with such arguments?
No, well, you certainly go to court, I do not mind, I just purely neigh ...
P.S. By the way, you were rightly pointed out that you can be screwed up in a counterclaim so that you will look for the fifth corner "historian" you are our unfinished business.

... So on what account the ruble should be transferred, so I will help the sick ...

[vladcub]

"1 ruble from each registered visitor to VO" I did not cut in: 1 from each registered visitor or from everyone who swears at you? This is how they say in Odessa: "two different things." Indeed, among the registered there are those who like all your materials

[kalibr]

Svyatoslav, what are you? According to the law, the Respondent pays compensation for the damage caused. It's just that as many people are registered on the site, they make up the information space. And this damage is easiest to calculate based on this amount. Not from EVERYONE REGISTERED, but by the number of them from the defendant!

[kalibr]

Quote: Alexander Suvorov

There is no faith in a person who lied once, but you lie almost without stopping, so what kind of faith can you be?

For faith, this is to the priest in the church. I have only bare information: photocopies of archival documents and newspapers. They do not need to believe, disbelief. You just need to read them. Oh yes - you do not like my comments on them. But the comments do not contain information. They contain an emotional assessment, and I have every right to it.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Alexander Suvorov

Twenty five again ... Take advantage of what your words I can not refute once in the archive, not good.

Alexander Suvorov - I'm just disagree

Can you even hear yourself, the so-called. "Alsander S."?

looks like no: themselves acknowledge that refute the Author ... not can , and, right there ... deny

"In Leningrad-city, at five corners,
Got on the face Sanya S-s.
Sang not musically, scandalized.
Well, it means it's right that they gave it. "(C)

[Sanya Terek]

Vyacheslav Olegovich, excerpt from your article: "Read on. Textbook of the 7th grade." The knights moved "pig", in the middle there was a heavily armed infantry in iron shells and with axes… ”Where did this nonsense come from and how did it get into the school textbook? "

The following excerpt: “Let us also recall the explanation found again in textbooks, because Bobrok Volynets did not enter the battle on Kulikovo Field, that… he was waiting for the south wind. And then the south wind blew, brought dust in the eyes of the Tatars, and then he led them into attack. "

This is from the textbook of history of the USSR 7th grade in 1971. I studied in this textbook, graduating from our high school in 1977, also studied in this textbook, and the program was unified. Or did your individual school have textbooks?

[kalibr]

Don't understand what you want to say? "Textbook of the 7th grade." The knights moved like a pig, in the middle there was a heavily armed infantry in iron shells and with axes ... "This is a phrase from a modern textbook that my granddaughter studied from. About the south wind from Mityaev's book" Winds of the Kulikov Field " Anyway, everything is wrong. The Germans had the infantry ... and the Germans walked with swords? What grandmas did she buy them with?

[Arthur 85]

Yes god with money. How did the infantry and cavalry advance? They Zinovy ​​Rozhdestvensky commanded, or what?

[Sanya Terek]

Modern textbooks, not only on history, are "effective managers" as they "see" it. And refer to the book by A.V. Mityaeva "Winds of the Kulikov Field" (genre - children's prose)? You can just as well refer to Russian folk tales.
And with swords, (the textbook does not state that the infantry was 100% armed), foot soldiers could have acquired after the defeat of the Pskov ratification in August 1240. Would they really have left trophies on the battlefield?

[Albert1988]

Quote: Sanya Tersky

Modern textbooks, not only on history, are "effective managers" as they "see" it. And refer to the book by A.V. Mityaeva "Winds of the Kulikov Field" (genre - children's prose)? You can just as well refer to Russian folk tales.
And with swords, (the textbook does not state that the infantry was 100% armed), foot soldiers could have acquired after the defeat of the Pskov ratification in August 1240. Would they really have left trophies on the battlefield?

To get rid of outdated ideas about all our historical battles - listen to Klim Aleksandrovich Zhukov - what arguments he gives, among other things, it’s just modern historical methods.

[Vladimir_2U]

You look at the comments on the article
CAR 816: Sultan among rifles
In the comments, the author revealed himself remarkably. As an "expert" in Article 58, and as a person.

[Astra wild]

Alexander Suvorov, I agree with you that Vyacheslav Olegovich is somewhat biased towards the Soviet past and this is not pleasant to us. But: "What shame and conscience does a former teacher of the history of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union have?" "Logically, all the teachers of the history of the KPSS are shameless people? We have a former teacher of the history of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, a walking conscience, limited to the chapel. I wondered for a long time: how is this possible?

[ser56]

Quote: Astra wild

A former teacher of history of the CPSU lived in our quarter, a walking conscience limited to a chapel.

exceptions confirm the rules!

[icelord]

Until

[Sergey79]

Good day. And so it turns out. In one work, an unjustified conclusion is made, then there is a reference to this work and soon the conclusion becomes a dogma. I really liked reading Tiesenhausen (I’m re-reading it for the 4th time). Dan is given an Arabic source, and then its translation and no conclusions.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: kalibr

Show me at least one place in my materials that would not be confirmed by reference or photocopy

You can link to scientific research here on this item

Such reading allows you to learn only 20% of the text! It happens that the lips themselves are motionless, but the larynx moves. This “laryngophone reading” is 50 to 50. And only when the text is scanned by the eyes (“quick reading”), the text is absorbed by 80-90%.

[kalibr]

For the first time, Vladimir, this information came to me in 2000. I was surprised, but immediately inserted into the text of an article in one of the Penza newspapers, because then it was on everyone’s ears. And since I then wrote mainly to local newspapers, I did not need links. So now I will not give links, alas. Too long ... But in this case we were talking about materials on historical topics. If you give links to each material, then it will become simply impossible to read them.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: kalibr

first, Vladimir, I got this information in 2000. I was surprised, but immediately inserted into the text of an article in one of the Penza newspapers, because then it was on everyone’s ears. And since I then wrote mainly to local newspapers, I did not need links. So now I will not give links, alas. Too long ...

Q.E.D.
the question is closed

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: kalibr

Utter falsification

May be. But when Priapus is called the Roman counterpart of Osiris, it is a MANIPULATION of facts.

[helvetic]

Here Vyacheslav is ready to hide behind sources in each specific case. However, for me, who has worked in the archives of the three former Soviet republics, it is strange that out of this huge array of documents that show the Union in the best possible light, the author is trying to convey little to the reader. Or positive stuff is not stuff. To be honest, after being in the archives of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Georgia and the State Archives of GBAO RT and studying the key documents of 1988-1991. I just want the total extermination of everyone who has ever said something badly to the USSR (this is by no means an appeal, we are talking about emotions inspired by the hell that the "reformers" then staged - hunger and massacres)

[kalibr]

So write an article based on the documents you know and links to them. I am sure that this will be very interesting material!

[helvetic]

So I wrote. Five pieces in serious magazines. If VO at least rinsevatsya ...

[helvetic]

Five - according to the era of the collapse of the USSR, of course, and not at all

[kalibr]

Quote: helvetic

Five - according to the era of the collapse of the USSR, of course, and not at all

And to rewrite them popularly, is it difficult? Or problems over time?

[kalibr]

Quote: helvetic

If VO at least rinsevatsya ...

Yes, that is the problem. When I worked at PSU, I also came across this. But this is a popular science site, here scientific research is not very appropriate.

[Polymer]

Quote: helvetic

it is strange that from this huge array of documents that show the Union in the best possible light, the author is trying to convey little to the reader. Or positive material is not material.

On the contrary, the author deliberately searches for and finds exactly the negative, in order to pour another bucket of slop into the USSR later. There is a saying: a pig will find dirt everywhere.

[kalibr]

Quote: Polymer

On the contrary, the author deliberately searches for and finds exactly the negative, in order to pour another bucket of slop into the USSR later. There is a saying: a pig will find dirt everywhere.

So after all, Sergei, if it were not true, but then it’s true. Here's the thing. But you cherish the image of ... "a fabulous country where unpaved streets were lined with non-dezinizing rubles." But in reality it was not so. Just people like you did not report it. And in the end, bach and 91st. Like snow on your head, right? All is well and suddenly ... And not all of a sudden and not in one day or even in five years!

[Polymer]

Quote: kalibr

But you cherish in yourself the image of ... "a fabulous country where unpaved streets were lined with undescined rubles." But in reality it was not so. Just people like you did not report it.

And to people like you, reported?
You know, although I am younger than you, I saw this reality with my own eyes. Both before and after. And the "primary sources" are my parents, grandparents. They did not describe everything in "pink tones", but in comparison ... I would prefer to stay in the USSR, in short.

[kalibr]

And they didn’t tell me, Sergei, and I sincerely believed ... But then I got into one archive, another, read the documents. And I realized that the king is naked and sooner or later ... will bend. And you know, I would also prefer to stay in the USSR, but ... you can’t stay in what has collapsed. And you need to find out why it collapsed so as not to happen again. Because one more such collapse we will not tolerate.

[Polymer]

Quote: kalibr

And you need to find out why it collapsed so as not to happen again.

Thoroughly sorting through dirty laundry? Somehow it’s not going to analytics ...
Vyacheslav Olegovich, because you studied not only history, but also the theory of Marxism-Leninism, as I understand it? Well, get into a serious analysis, find out what went wrong. Where did theory diverge from practice? Such work would be of great benefit to society. Or is it that the work is complicated and long, and the prospects for getting a fee tend to zero?

[kalibr]

Quote: Polymer

Well, get into a serious analysis, find out what went wrong. Where theory diverged from practice

So there was already material on this topic. It was called "The Revolution of the Mediocre". With references to the works of Lenin. There was a whole series of articles about the working class of Russia, past and present. Go to the profile and find. You understand, in order to take a serious analysis you have to be ... seriously savvy. And you have seen a lot of "savvy" here. There are a lot of minushers, but you can count the savvy ones on your fingers. But let's not talk about sad things. You can see on the profile what I advise you.

[Polymer]

Quote: kalibr

You understand, in order to take a serious analysis, you have to be ... seriously savvy. And you have seen a lot of "savvy" here.

It is enough here both educated and able to think. But the arrogant attitude towards the audience ... somehow does not paint, to say the least. But your business.
And I read articles on the topic, even if I initially do not like them. Only in the recommended by you analysis is not, from the word at all.

[kalibr]

Quote: Polymer

Only in the recommended by you analysis is not, from the word at all.

But in them there is a lot of information on which you can think of yourself. Compare it with what you already knew, look at the results. You can do it, right? And as for the audience ... You see, I ask - I ask the most innocent question, there is no answer, or rather, the minuses in response. This is normal? Half of the comments are as if the authors did not read the article. Or didn’t you notice this too?

[Polymer]

Quote: kalibr

But in them there is a lot of information on which you can think of yourself.

This has not been canceled. Otherwise, no one would read such articles. But this situation has already been explained, for example, by the same Alexander Suvorov. Like many readers, I am not a historian, not an analyst, etc., I earn a living in another area. And sometimes, I just have no time to do this. This is a job for specialists in their field, but! - precisely because this is a public work, I, as a reader, have the right (moral) to judge how good the work of these very specialists is. And I have not yet met really good work, because there is no answer to the very question: where did the theory diverge from practice?
So far, by the way, I have found the answer closest to the full in Trotsky’s works (let the anger of the Stalinists pass me!). The fact is that it was Trotsky who singled out the bureaucracy into a separate class and suggested two options for the development of events: the working class would defeat the bureaucracy, or vice versa. In the second case, he clearly spoke about the counter-revolution and restoration of capitalism, which ultimately happened. However, even Trotsky has no answer, where is the error in theory.

Quote: kalibr

there is no answer, or rather, the cons in response

I do not understand the concern of many about these minuses. Is it so important?

[kalibr]

Quote: Polymer

I do not understand the concern of many about these minuses. Is it so important?

Why did you decide that this is important to me? But this is an indicator, yes ... when there is no answer, but a minus instead. You don’t think so. You answer me, I tell you, but I don’t put you down. I also read Trotsky back in the special guard of Leninka.
Now about the rights. You have the rights, no doubt, but why immediately sculpt labels (this is not about you), you can always find out everything in words. Now comes the fun part. You earn ... to others. I am this. But where is it written that I am obliged to give everything the way you need it? You yourself wrote "this has not been canceled." So the articles are informative? Yes or no? Yes! But you want more, right? Analysis, ready-made answers? And this is difficult, and I do not have access to information of this level. And I live in Penza, not Moscow. So, as they say, rejoice that this is given - this is no offense. With links to newspapers, at least some archives. Even so ... And if I knew the answer, who "dispersed" where, I would not write here at all, but sat next to Putin or Trump and gave advice on where to steer. That's it, Sergei!

[Polymer]

Quote: kalibr

But where is it written that I am obliged to give everything as you need?

And where is it written that commentators should react to your articles only as you please? And do not put cons in silence?
By the way, I attribute to your merits the most active participation in the discussion of materials. Many authors do not do this at all.

[kalibr]

Quote: Polymer

And where is it written that commentators should react to your articles only as you please?

Sergei! But do I demand this? Just decently to answer questions? Don't you think so?
That was the thesis; "There are a lot of examples and doctoral dissertations with obvious substitution of facts." I asked for at least one example with a title, pages, etc. I did not receive an answer. What? Don't like the question or don't agree with the answer?
I agree to "silently" when there is an STATEMENT in the comment. But no question! Do you think otherwise? Would you be pleased if you answered all your questions with a stream of minuses? I think no. And - yes, I always answer normal claims. Remember, I promised a man an article about the Ainu. The topic was postponed for a year, but did. He promised to find about the "bathhouse" (see below the correspondence with Leonid), but did not find it. Much work too much. But as the quarantine ends, I will certainly look. So you don't need to react so painfully to people. All the same, the past will not change.

[Polymer]

Quote: kalibr

All the same, the past will not change.

All these disputes are not about the past, but about the future. Because:

Quote: kalibr

And you need to find out why it collapsed so as not to happen again. Because one more such collapse we will not tolerate.

[icelord]

straight mass killings, lope killed? Where is it written?

[Caretaker]

Quote: kalibr

Show me at least one place in my materials that would not be confirmed by reference or photocopy.

It's Easy!

Quote: kalibr
Yes, the cards were canceled. But in St. Petersburg, according to the Rodina magazine, in 1956 one worker had 6 (six!) Washing days on average a year! That's when they stank!

The link was never confirmed. Even the "help from the audience" did not help.
It is possible to assume that much of your evidence is just as "reliable".

[kalibr]

Yes, I could not find this example, cited in the journal Rodina.

Quote: Caretaker

It is possible to assume that much of your evidence is just as "reliable".

But on the basis of this fact alone, "weather" is not worth doing. I don't see any point in sitting in the library and shoveling the Rodin mountains for the sake of one single fact. But people also have doubts about those materials where photographs of documents are under their noses. So what are you talking about?

[Caretaker]

Quote: kalibr

But on the basis of this fact alone, "weather" is not worth doing. I don't see any point in sitting in the library and shoveling the Rodin mountains for the sake of one single fact. But people also have doubts about those materials where photographs of documents are under their noses. So what are you talking about?

That the categorical statement: "Show me at least one place in my materials that would not be confirmed by a link or photocopy" turned out to be false.
If you are not able to confirm the fact, then you should formulate "in my opinion", "read somewhere", "possibly", etc.
In that article, evidence was given of the fallacy of your conclusions on the issue in which you were not competent.
It is possible to assume that in other articles there are similar "bloopers", they just deal with topics in which the readers are not too versed.

[kalibr]

You see, Leonidas. It was generally not accepted to make links to VO. I started to do them in articles because of ... "uneven breathing" of some, but, as they say, you always think better of people. You believe them, so they also believe you. But no ... Well ... But you provoke me. I looked on the Web, but Rodina does not post its materials. Looked at articles and dissertations. I found one material about "queues in the baths on Fridays and Saturdays", but did not download it, because it was not counted, and the time was the very end of the 40s. That is, again you will cling. Well ... after the quarantine measures are lifted, you will have to sit in the library.

[Caretaker]

Quote: kalibr

In general, it was not customary to make references. This I began to do them in articles ...

I agree, the explanations to the illustrations really reinforce your arguments in the articles. Links are rare, which may cause dissatisfaction of copyright holders. For most non-profit resources, hyperlinks are sufficient.

Quote: kalibr

... you believe them, so they believe you ...

To believe, to some extent, is possible if it does not contradict life experience and common sense.
Arguments refuting your statements are given in the comments on the topic under discussion.

Quote: kalibr

I found one material about "queues in the baths on Fridays and Saturdays but did not download it, because it is not counted, and the time is the very end of the 40s."

Queues in a public bath still exist, although each apartment has a bathtub with shower. Depends on the day of the week, time of visit and class of the department. There are still lovers to take a steam bath with friends.

[kalibr]

Quote: Caretaker

To believe, to some extent, is possible if it does not contradict life experience and common sense.

This is again very interesting, Leonid. In 1963, both my grandmother and grandfather were ill ... I ran after the ambulance, they were taken to the hospital. They were treated ... Life experience and common sense - everything is OK. Yes? Yes! Now I was busy with the archive of the OFOPO GAPO and I find a certificate for 1961-62. prepared for the industrial OK KPSS on health care in Penza. And there is darkness and horror. Everything is contrary to my memory and life experience. I will certainly post it here. Here, what do many want? So that I alternate successes and shortcomings! And that's exactly how the certificate is compiled. But ... "everything is contrary to common sense." However, you will see her. And now it’s like this: here and you, among other things, have you seen many such documents and held them in your hands? And in the archives of Penza, Samara, Ulyanovsk, the Central Committee of the Komsomol .... a lot of them !. They say to me "you specially select". If only ... VO simply cannot "digest" all this, and it is not necessary. And so it would be possible to give at least three such materials a day. And everything is classified as "secret", "special folder" ...
Well, as for "believing" ... I'm used to trusting people.

[Caretaker]

Quote: kalibr

In 1963, both my grandparents hurt me ... I ran after an ambulance, they were taken to a hospital. They were treated ... Life experience and common sense which - everything is OK.

Life experience tells you that the hospital was and was treated in it. If someone writes that the hospital worked two days a week in 1963, and the ambulance in Penza went on a chaise, then you will not believe it, although an isolated case could be recorded and noted in the document.
At the same time, many shortcomings could be identified in the institutions, which is reflected in the acts and certificates.

[kalibr]

It is truth too. This is the everlasting problem of the singular and the universal. But she is more concerned with archaeologists. With documents, everything is easier. However, you will see for yourself.

[icelord]

uh .... did not meet the queues in the bath, you call you order, if the time is busy report. Carry

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Alexander Suvorov

Well, yes, it’s funny to read about falsification of history from

Why are you so! You and I simply do not understand what it means to know, for example, the history of ancient Egypt. We, scoops, in SeSeSeR, were told about some pyramids, religion, art, agriculture of ancient Egypt, about all this garbage, and therefore we did not know the history of Egypt. But Mr. Shpakovsky told us who inseminated whom and in what way, and immediately we became enlightened, we learned the HISTORY (!!!) of ancient Egypt and not only it. This is why we were scoops! We were not told the main thing - who, whom and in what way. And also because we have not been to the British Museum and personally, unlike the "historian" Shpakovsky, have not seen "a fragment of" Hunefer's Book of the Dead "

[tlauicol]

write succinctly: "I have not read Pasternak, but I condemn! I have not been to the Uffizi, but I do not believe!"
Ne sutor supra crepidam

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Tlauicol

write succinctly: "I have not read Pasternak, but I condemn! I have not been to the Uffizi, but I do not believe!"
Ne sutor supra crepidam

If you quote, then quote correctly - Brodsky did not read .......

[tlauicol]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Quote: Tlauicol

write succinctly: "I have not read Pasternak, but I condemn! I have not been to the Uffizi, but I do not believe!"
Ne sutor supra crepidam

If you quote, then quote correctly - Brodsky did not read .......

Hopeless case

[Mwg]

What, king? Heavy? ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

[Sergey79]

Totally agree with you. I do not agree with the author on the following items:
1. There is no conclusion that it is very "sad" when our children are taught the history of the ancient world from myths;
2. Basically, those who disagree with the position of the official history do not shout that they are not being told something, but ask the question "on what basis this or that conclusion was made";
3. A lot of examples and doctoral dissertations with an obvious substitution of facts.

[kalibr]

Quote: Sergey79

A lot of examples and doctoral dissertations with an obvious substitution of facts.

Give at least one: author, title, place and year of defense, and page. I would be very grateful to you.

[kalibr]

Thirteen minusers, like not a single example. Why is it so liquid ... huh? "And she feeds on fables!" - Pushkin was right when he wrote this!

[Sergey79]

I apologize for not immediately responding.

[Sergey79]

B.V. Sokolov (D.F.N., K.I.N.) is engaged in falsification in books when calculating the losses of the USSR in the Second World War. There are a lot of such examples ... Unfortunately.

[Sergey79]

For example, Mytsyk ... It is possible without pages and bookmarks ... There are doctoral dissertations even copied from books. I won’t give my name, as I respect a person for achievements in another field.

[kalibr]

Actually, Sergei, this is not exactly what I wanted. Sorry, but this is not about anything again. The pages are just important, or do you think that you gave your full name and that says it all. And again the catchphrase: "A lot" These are all empty words. There is little sense from such finds. The same Soloviev, you named ... where is the guarantee that he is engaged ... They write the same thing to me, looking at the text of articles with photocopied pages. I was hoping you would take it more seriously ...

[Sergey79]

Vyacheslav, you asked for examples, I brought. Even the pages do not need ... You understand that every opinion has a place to be, but should be considered from a critical point. These are not my words. AND
You write, you read, listen. It is strange that you sided with Solovyov ... According to him, only the losses of the Red Army 50 million ....

[kalibr]

Sergei! That's where you get the idea that I took the side of Solovyov? Why 80% of people read here not what is written, but what they want to see? And you go there too ... I tell you that you need precise instructions, and not "grandfather to the village." And you tell me: he writes 50 million. Yes, at least about 100 ... Where, on what page. That's what's important. Or indicating an article on such and such a site. Such and such a monograph ... Again, pages. Well, okay. I myself know that it is. But I wanted to see what they would offer me in the end. They offered not what I had hoped for. Alas!

[Basil50]

alexander
You are absolutely right. Historians are caste questions uncomfortable to them * as Serprom .... *.
It is touching that they always refer to someone, but not to the document, but to the opinion of the next one * shone from history * or to the manuscript, while boldly admit that many chronicles were created * strongly after the event *. The most revealing chronicle scam is a description of how the future saint Vladimir chose the faith. And nothing rolls.
And today we see how they REFRIGERATE what happened just yesterday, and what Europeans are talking about last century is generally nothing but senility. It is a pity that in RUSSIA there are fans of insanity

[icelord]

No, there has been great tartaria since the time of the dinosaurs. Everyone knows this, but then the Germans rewrote everything and gave it to the Italians. So?

[Vladimir_2U]

Yes, and here it seems the author could not resist, and lied:

“The knights moved a“ pig, ”in the middle there was a heavily armed infantry in iron shells and with axes ...”

Of course, I don’t have a textbook for seventh grade at hand, it’s unknown by the way which year of publication, but there’s no such nonsense when searching.

The tip and sides of the wedge were heavily armed horse knights in iron armor, and its base and center were a dense mass of foot soldiers - bollards.

This is, and a lot, quite correct for general education.
The author imagines that education and a lively pen is equal to the mind:

In a word, this is a long-standing problem, from the time when it was somehow decided that people without university diplomas were quite capable of creating a better society than that run by the graduates of Oxford and Yale. And something even they did. Only then, however, they still outplayed these “comrades”.

Outplayed the "comrades" when there are too many in the country such as the author of this article, Tokugawa fans.

[kalibr]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Yes, and here it seems the author could not resist, and lied:
“The knights moved a“ pig, ”in the middle there was a heavily armed infantry in iron shells and with axes ...”

But what if I find both a tutorial and a page? "Looks like", however, in store ...

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: kalibr

But what if I find both a tutorial and a page? "It looks like", however, in store ..

Take a shot and put it out, and I will praise you, maybe ... then ... if you want ...
Although it is clear that the textbook is fresh, they tried to track such mistakes during the USSR.

[kalibr]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

and I will praise you maybe

You are not the person whose praises and blasphemy have at least some significance for me, but since sooner or later the school will open and I will have to go there on business, why not. Why not do good to man if it costs you nothing.

[kalibr]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Of course, I don’t have a textbook for seventh grade at hand, by the way, what year of publication is unknown

But no - why write?

[Vladimir_2U]

But there is no confirmation of the words, there is nothing to give recommendations to write or not. [Quote = Sanya Tersky

This is from the textbook of history of the USSR 7th grade in 1971. I studied in this textbook, graduating from our high school in 1977, also studied in this textbook, and the program was unified. Or did you have your own textbooks in your school? [/ Quote] There is confirmation here, but not of your words.

[kalibr]

You write it to fans to write about the Russo-Aryans and Hyperborea. There is also no confirmation of the words from the word at all! But you swallow it without interference ...

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: kalibr

But you swallow it without interference ...

Why such a conclusion, an absolutely illogical and unproven conclusion? You wrote something about dyslexia there, but what is the defect called that you just demonstrated?

[kalibr]

I did not see your comments of a negative plan for these materials, which were not supported by anything, that’s the conclusion.

[Vladimir_2U]

Not to see my comments on materials that I do not read, a powerful argument for the conclusion, very scientific.

[kalibr]

Only one thing I can say: Well done! What do not read. And I was wrong what I wrote to you, without accurate information. But have you really not looked at least with one eye? Somehow it's hard to believe. But if you say so, then it is.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: kalibr

You are well done! What do not read.

Well, do not count the same couple of paragraphs to evaluate the text for reading.

[kalibr]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

You are well done! What do not read.
Well, do not count the same couple of paragraphs to evaluate the text for reading.

But you already made a click ...

[Vladimir_2U]

And from the title of the article it is far from always clear what it is about. Here, for example, "What historians do not say", here is how to guess what is here about the fertilization of divine cats and all such things are, among other things, and pictures in the style of "Ugh, shame" are posted. Until you open it, you will not understand.

[kalibr]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Until you open and understand.

That's it! Only there is not shame, but art. Do not fall into hypocrisy.

[icelord]

What a nightmare I have been doing historical fencing for 20 years, although I had to love walking more and ride a horse. Oksti which wedge each other at a gallop ram?

[icelord]

no one comes with a wedge, much less infantry separately, cavalry separately, doesn’t happen like that, this is nonsense

[zenion]

What historians do not agree on can be read in the book of the Torah, for Jews, it is also called the "Old Testament". Now the falsified falsification of falsifiers speaks of the falsification of falsification.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: zenion

What historians do not agree on can be read in the book of the Torah, for Jews, it is also called the "Old Testament". Now the falsified falsification of falsifiers speaks of the falsification of falsification.

The Torah is the Pentateuch of Moses, part of the Old Testament, called the Tanakh in Hebrew, and profane profanation of profane speaks of profanity of profanation)).

[zenion]

The author did not admit how the historical Egyptian paintings and so on got to France and Naglia. I would write while passing by that at one time the naglitsy robbed the Egyptians, and at another time their culture was robbed by the frogs. So, no, since you were not in these countries, and did not look at the stolen, robbed, stolen, then history is not subject to you.

[icelord]

what they stole, then they bought guns to Egyptian felahs

[icelord]

And there are sphinxes in St. Petersburg

[Tank jacket]

"It was not the pharaohs - you know this well - who created Egypt, but the gods and priests. It is not the pharaohs who determine the day and the height of the rise of water in the Nile and regulate its floods. It is not the pharaohs who taught the people to sow, gather fruits, raise livestock. so that the state would not be endangered by external enemies. What would happen, tell yourself, if our caste gave Egypt to the mercy of the pharaohs? The wisest of them has an experience of some two or three decades. And the priestly caste watched and studied for tens of thousands of years. The most powerful ruler has only one pair of eyes and hands. We have thousands of eyes and hands in all the nomes and even in other states ... Can the activities of the pharaoh be compared with ours? And in case of disagreement, who should give in : us or him? "(c)

[kalibr]

"Pharaoh". Boleslav Prus's novel.

[Tank jacket]

He is. They talk about the pharaohs, forgetting about the priests.

[Tank jacket]

Have you heard anything about pre-Christian writing? About features and cuts when you write?

[Operator]

Pre-Christian Slavic pictograms (traits / cuts) are known, writing is not.

[Tank jacket]

Well, so I turn to historians. Write about the pictograms traits / cuts, decode, show with pleasure I read. And about the historical priority of generalized crowd controls. How is the history of the cold war?

[Operator]

Traits / cuts indicating their symbolic meanings (good, health, fertility, etc.) are known from German chronicles describing pagan idols on the temples of Western Slavs.

I'm too lazy to look for the source

[user]

Well, yes, it’s funny to read about falsification of history from the falsifier of history itself.

By the way, if you read the book of Alexander Alexandrovich Bushkov - Russia, which was not there, then discarding all the fantasies of the author about - if only. . . that. . . . and further it can be discussed endlessly, but curiously.
But after reading how, according to the author, the chronicle is written, well, if someone does not like it - HISTORY, then I completely agree with the author.

Remember how in the XVII century the English interpretation of history was adopted. It's just that everyone agreed that it will be like that, in the sense of the English interpretation - everything else is false. Curiously, Isaac Newton took the most active part in this story.

[icelord]

Who accepted the English interpretation? And by the way, what kind of interpretation is this?

[alexey alexeyev_2]

Here you are right ... The "History" section of VO has long turned into a one-actor theater

[Olgovich]

Quote: Sea Cat

Hello everyone and best wishes! Thanks to Olegovich for a new article

Hello, Konstantin!

The article is written in the spirit of contradicting the canons and, I think, will cause a lot of comments.

It is not clear, by the way, this:

But the fact that their water is "flood" is reported in the text of the annals, which older the earliest reports of her for as many as 100 years.

Couldn’t be older than events?

Recall that the history of the Ancient World is taught to us in the 5th grade. And she… kutsaya. And that's why not very interesting.

I don’t agree: half a century has already passed, and I remember well this black cover textbook with a color photo of ruined marble columns against a piercing blue sky: it was an amazing, fairy-tale world full of amazing myths, legends, deeds, and achievements of mankind!

Of course, the textbook only gave a "push" and was swallowed, with interest, a lot of other literature about this time - both fiction (Efremov, etc.) and even, in a temper, and the monograph on the Punic Wars went with attacks of elephants and archers (sincerely grieved about the final defeat of Carthage Hannibal), etc., etc.
And the bizarre sexual delights of those times somewhere, vaguely, hinted, but were not interesting either then or today. .

But how they arranged in the arena in the Coliseum .... naval battles of the fleets, yes, that's something!
I have a huge format magazine "Russian Pilgrim" 1912 with the corresponding engraving of the scene of boarding the galley there, a spectacular sight!
And so forth ...

And you always need to remember that there were and will always be more than three graduate students who graduated from higher educational institutions than excellent students and good students. And where are they all, these three-year-olds from the "pedyushnikov", gone? From my 1977 issue, for example, did everyone go where? To school! And all the excellent students went to work where? To university!

I do not know....
Such teachers, highly qualified specialists of the professions taught by them, as in our school, I rarely met later in the university: Mark Abramovich, Isaak Moiseevich, Sofya Markovna, Vera Ivanovna, Irina Illarionovna (Jews and Russians) ....

[Snail N9]

Falsification ... I once worked in the Russian branch of a Western company. So: I had an English boss. I’ll say right away - "a difficult person" and what is most unpleasant, no matter how hard I tried at work, no matter what I did, as a result, I was always bad, but he was always "on horseback" and "in chocolate." to say that for the "Western comrades" democracy in relations is not an empty phrase and, in principle, I communicated with him normally. So, somehow, after another "pulling out" and "not receiving an award", I directly asked the question - if I am so worthless, then why, according to the results of our work, we are always "ahead of the rest of the planet", you get a profit-increase to the salary, bonuses, and other profit, but I only get "shish"? He answered bluntly: "You see, I am the boss, you are the subordinate, and therefore: all the" victories "are mine, and all the" defeats "are yours." And he laughed. What am I doing? And to the fact that this is how history is written, the one who "writes" it, firstly fulfills someone's order, and secondly depends on who ordered him to write it, or is included in a certain group of "chroniclers" with his compulsory vision and assessment of certain events. And the most important thing: the so-called history is based on various "reports", "documents", etc. where those who wrote all this have always tried (and are still trying) to present themselves, their achievements in a favorable light, and "omit" their opponents, competitors, etc. What kind of "objectivity" can there be? Yes, no. Even simple "facts" are sometimes impossible to find, hidden and forgotten, not to mention the reasons for this or that. I was personally very interested in the topic "Buried and Dug Russia" - a strange, multi-meter "cultural layer" in our cities (and not only in ours), buildings that do not fit into the generally accepted theory of classification, the creations of "ruinist" artists, etc. ...

[Olgovich]

Quote: Snail N9

Falsification ..

Maybe ... Or maybe not!

The criterion of truth in History, I think, is not ...

Quote: Snail N9

He answered bluntly: "You see, I am the boss, you are the subordinate, and therefore: all the" victories "are mine, and all the" defeats "are yours."

A strange boss ... I also had to work in Western companies and it wasn’t like that anywhere: after all, the success of the bosses directly depends on the success of their subordinates, they understood this and, in principle, clearly carried out the counter. obligations and even raised salaries and paid overtime, which was not in the Contract

[Snail N9]

Strange boss ..

The key word is "ENGLISH".

[Olgovich]

Quote: Snail N9

Keyword-"ENGLISHMAN

Probably yes, these are strange guys.

I had Germans, Austrians, Scots, Italians.
I was ready to work with the Scots at least all my life - competent, honest, calm .... sorry the contract was over ....

[RAE8]

Quote: Olgovich

The criterion of truth in History, I think, no ..

The criterion of truth is the same everywhere - SYSTEM. System knowledge of the subject, when absolutely all new data, facts do not contradict this system.

[zenion]

A true story was and will remain in the time of the ancient Greeks. Where they wrote what they saw in travels and about the mountain, then now they dug up something that they did not believe in. Therefore, the basis is the history of the Greeks, and the laws of ancient Rome are the basis of laws. Already in those days there were experts on brain confusion. The worst thing was to be in the prosecutor's office. If the prosecutor was caught lying, then they made him an ax head, it was forever. From this, a conclusion was then drawn. And now you can grind that they will order and they will not punish him and they will not draw conclusions.

[Mwg]

Do you want to distribute links on this topic?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Snail N9

And to the fact that this is how the story is written, the one who "writes" it, firstly fulfills someone's order, and secondly depends on who ordered him to write it, or is included in a certain group of "chroniclers" with his compulsory vision and assessment of certain events.

Pomnitsa, in Lukin's "We are your sun" the chronicler was described well:

Then the chronicler became thoughtful. The trouble with this laudable word. Vsevolok, suppose, approves, but the Pillars ... Do not understand the Pillars. Either glorifies his priest Berendey, and then he honors all the crusts ... The chronicler sighed, looked through one window, into another. The Svolochansky coast was closer, but from the Teplynsky side a long sandbank was washed away - almost to the very island on which the dilapidated hut was huddled ... So guess what you will please: to Vsevolok or to Pillar sanctuary! And she managed to put the chronicler to the chronicler to place the chronicler in the very middle of the land of Berendey, so that, therefore, it was easier to receive news from all sides! ..

The chronicler sighed and, laying down his pen, looked out at the left window. Svolochansky shore was empty. Nowhere is a single courage, not a single Varangian. The Varangians took off without waiting for the dawn, and with all their strength left for Stekolnoy, their capital, Varangian. A white park curled over the hills. The incandescent white - almost a bite - the sun quickly burned the frost and picked up moisture, destroying the consequences of an unheard of long night.
The chronicler turned to the right window. A construction site was still boiling on the Teplynsky coast. A great and awful colossus was already rising from the pit for several rehappings; it looked like it scooped with a long stem [The stem (Berendeysk.) Is black, the handle is sticking up.]. And at a distance they rallied from hewn logs and covered with iron hoops something about an area of ​​uniform perishing - the size of a two-shafted house.
The day before yesterday, immediately after the departure of the Varangians and Vsevolok, three brave men approached the island in the shallows and with them the prince Teplynsky Pillar. Affectionately having a conversation with the chronicler, he inquired whether he does not suffer what he needs, promised to soon bring the hermit supplies, clothes, and ink nuts. Well, he explained at the same time how to understand such a hastily erected colossus ...
"And having thanked the good-natured, dispelling the adversaries, like the morning fog," the goose feather creaked on the parchment again, "the Pillars vowed to lay near the place near the Yarilina Road, an abundantly decorated temple, very pleasing to the bright and crackling middle of our sun. ordered to cut down Pillars ... - The Chronicler paused again and looked doubtfully at the wooden monster gathered next to the colossus. - ... an enormous rounded idol, in everything like the clear sun ... "

[icelord]

buried Russia is strong, mushrooms rule

[Astra wild]

Olgovich, I have with you various ideological convictions, but I put you +.
If all three-year-olds went to school, and excellent students at a university, then where do the excellent students for universities come from? Maybe the person is talented, but he understands that scientific work is not for him and went to school?

[ser56]

Quote: Olgovich

But how they arranged in the arena in the Coliseum .... naval battles of the fleets, yes, that's something!

was in the Coliseum - is it difficult to imagine a large pool there - or were these fleets driven by land?

[Pessimist22]

In pre-Christian times, natural needs were treated as necessary, but after the spread of Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam), human natural needs began to appear as some kind of sin and people began to degrade in this regard, even in Soviet schools they tried to somehow circumvent these topics .

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Pessimist22

even in Soviet schools they tried to somehow circumvent these topics.

There is an opinion that the hero cannot “crap one's pants” at the decisive moment, and the astronaut (ka) has no right to “spit” in the returned capsule.
There is no need to get stuck on the departure of natural necessities, but it is necessary to provide for appropriate institutions (especially in places of mass crowds: recreation parks, stadiums, etc.) taking into account local climatic conditions. Then it will not be a sin.
And yet, if you obligate all owners walking dogs to collect feces set aside by their pets, then the cleanliness and appearance of city streets and courtyards will also not be a demonstration of the fall and perversion of morals.

[Siberian54]

At the expense of dogs and their owners: I agree 100% ..

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Pessimist22

In pre-Christian times, natural needs were treated as necessary,

and therefore colorfully described the act of human deformation, though in different poses and places?
Something I have not seen this. But these are also "natural needs"
Do you really understand what you want to see - natural needs or public adultery and nudity?

Quote: Pessimist22

but after the spread of Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam), human natural needs began to appear as some kind of sin and people began to degrade in this regard, even in Soviet schools they tried to somehow circumvent these topics.

Yours is not true. It was not the very fact of satisfying "natural needs" that was passed off as a sin, but sexual intercourse with just anyone, wherever and when it got hit. - fornication. And if you are with your spouse, so that no one is present, then you can in any position convenient for you and at a time convenient for you. And no one will say, not even the priests, that this is a sin.
Let's remember the 90s. We all remember the rampant pornography, sex on screens, etc.
What was it? High culture? Where "natural human needs" were not hidden. Or a decline in morals? Who presented us with these "natural needs"? Aren't they "cultural and art workers"? Where is the guarantee that not the same "workers of culture and art" created their "works" in those prehistoric times? They are glorified today by "historians" and their admirers, passing it off as "high culture" of the ancient world.

[Siberian54]

Rampant "nineties", the usual political technology, as now fagots of all stripes are forced into the minds of young people ..

[zenion]

Of course, in grade 4, you were interested in knowing that in ancient times condoms were made from sheep's intestines, and the contraceptive was crocodile shit in the vagina.

[Far B]

Many people still have their lips moving, that is, they pronounce the readable text to themselves. Such reading allows you to learn only 20% of the text! It happens that the lips themselves are motionless, but the larynx moves. This “laryngophone reading” is 50 to 50. And only when the text is scanned by the eyes (“quick reading”), the text is absorbed by 80-90%.

That's a strange thing. Everything is a little the opposite for me. Of course, I can't move my lips, I read quite quickly, but I don't know how to read. At the same time, when I turn on the "sprinter" over serious texts, I often catch myself on the fact that by the end of the paragraph I no longer remember what happened at the beginning. But when after each paragraph or semantic segment you stop for a certain analysis or comparison, it is another matter. The meaning of what you read is fully assimilated. Better yet, take notes in the margins.
And at full speed I read only fiction, which, as a rule, after reading and forgetting is not a pity. Something like this. Maybe for everyone this is still individual?

[Phil77]

Good morning everybody!

Quote: Dalny V

Maybe for everyone this is still individual?

I have exactly the same story. So you are not alone. I’ll add from myself that when I read the text in * paper * form, it is absorbed much better than in * electronic *. That's why I have it for some reason.

[Catfish]

Hello, Sergey! For example, I do not perceive audiobooks at all; after a couple of minutes I catch myself thinking about something else. And "paper" literature or on a tablet, it doesn't matter anymore, I see letters and the text is learned instantly.

[Phil77]

Hello again Konstantin! No, no, I mean the text in * electronic * form. Audiobooks? Well, this is not for me, I tried it once, I didn’t like it.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Phil77

Well, this is not for me, I tried it once, I didn’t like it.

Reminds me of the notation your boss reads to you

[Private-K]

Quote: Sea Cat

For example, I do not perceive audiobooks at all; after a couple of minutes I catch myself thinking about something else. And "paper" literature or on a tablet, it doesn't matter anymore, I see letters and the text is learned instantly.

I notice this. I think there is a difference in speed. Audiobook is "slower" than just reading text. And the brain is already accustomed to the fast visual channel.

[Catfish]

Good morning Oleg. Most likely you are right, I just never thought about it.

[Astra wild]

Sergey, I know a grandmother, she loves to read books, but the "paper" version. She says: "when I take a book, I talk to her, and the computer is a machine"

[About 2]

Your truth, if you want to learn, read it slowly. There is a whole scientific work written by an American university professor on this subject, now I don’t remember the name, but the point is that important and not simple books must be read out and answered certain questions.

[igordok]

I agree with you. I read pretty fast, not fast reading, but fast. I only remember something important. My friend, reads slowly, "moving his lips", remembers much more, and for a longer time.

P.S. Why was it necessary to braid the "reserved seat carriage" to the topic of speed reading.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Dalny V

but I do not own speed reading

At school I studied in an experimental class, it was 1963 to 1965 vols.
That is, in the Russian language and literature we went forward 1 year.
They taught us speed reading. What do we read aloud. An activist from our pedagogical institute experimented on us.
Once a week he showed up in class and we had to read at speed. Then they counted how many words "read" per minute. Everything was taken into account. You yourself understand that it was almost impossible to remember what you read.
I still remember my "record" of 176 words per minute.
PS It just so happened that the 4th grade, 2 months, I was finishing at another school and for the second time I was taking a program in Russian. "I wrote the dictation brilliantly My memory was still good then.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Dalny V

That's a strange thing. I have everything a little vice versa.

This is not a "weird thing" this is normal and natural.
Guys, how serious can one take Shpakovsky’s writing?
[quote Many still have their lips moving, that is, they pronounce the readable text to themselves. Such reading allows you to learn only 20% of the text! It happens that the lips themselves are motionless, but the larynx moves. This “laryngophone reading” is 50 to 50. And only when the text is scanned by the eyes (“quick reading”), the text is absorbed by 80-90%. [/ quote]
Is it possible to perceive this as something serious? Here, everything is exactly the opposite.

[icelord]

Well, it happens, I sympathize, but not surprised

[Boozer]

When you move your lips while reading, then that's nothing. Among my acquaintances there are many who read aloud and at the same time move their finger over what they read. I’m silent about the count on my fingers ...

[Far B]

Among my acquaintances there are many who read aloud and at the same time move their finger over what they read. I’m silent about the count on my fingers ...

Wangyu ... You are an elementary school teacher!

[Catfish]

You are an elementary school teacher!

Yes, unlikely, unfortunately.

[Far B]

If so, then fucking grandpa Wang of me But at least I tried

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Boozer

I’m silent about the count on my fingers ...

Among some managers, my skills of quickly adding numbers and multiplying simple ones (multiplication table) are also surprising ...

[Snail N9]

In fact, to be honest, it is no longer "among some", but among MANY of our type-managers, the skills of using the multiplication table, "division by a column", "addition-subtraction by a column" ALREADY cause surprise - they are only a calculator or a "program" calculator "can be used for this.

[icelord]

Excuse me, by your definition, a manager, and do you really think that I will look for a pen, paper and divide by a column? No, I'll take a smartphone that is always in my hand and in three seconds I will get the result

[Lipchanin]

Quote: ROSS 42

Among some managers, my skills of quickly adding numbers and multiplying simple ones (multiplication table) are also surprising ..

Quote: ROSS 42

Among some managers, my skills of quickly adding numbers and multiplying simple ones (multiplication table) are also surprising ..

You know, but here I’ve caught myself. As soon as you stop using the calculator, the numbers themselves add up in your head.
It’s worth turning it on a couple of times, FSE instantly all the skills of counting in the mind disappear

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Boozer

Among my acquaintances there are many who read aloud and at the same time move their finger over what they read.

In my time in elementary grades, and this is the beginning of the 60s, they taught me to read exactly that

[Fat]

Quote: Boozer

I’m silent about the count on my fingers ...

Correctly do that be silent. Counting on the fingers is a very interesting thing though.
And the score on the abacus, the Russian decimal counts, on the suanpan (soroban) is generally a song

[bober1982]

Pinocchio, did not bother with the theory of reading, he quickly mastered the technique of quick reading - at the end of the book, at the beginning, and in the middle.
The article is not bad, in my opinion, but the number of obscene pictures is over the top.

[oracul]

Whoever has what hurts, he talks about that. An "interesting" perspective on history through the reproductive organs. The consequences of self-isolation with the use of abundant drinking of an antidepressant known in everyday life.

[Phil77]

And now directly on the article. Vyacheslav Olegovich, with all due respect, but ... In the fifth grade, should children also express such myths? Somehow it will probably be wrong. Yes, and about the excesses of the Roman emperors it’s also not worth it. I’ll say separately that Your article will flare up serious! A little later ... But, I read it with great interest!

[kalibr]

Quote: Phil77

In the fifth grade, should children express similar myths? Somehow, it will probably be wrong

Thats exactly what I mean...

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Phil77

..In the fifth grade, children and similar myths to expose?

And for what? Is that really a story?

[Fat]

Sometimes I wondered why there were so few male teachers in the school almost always. They probably don't stay at school for a long time. Among my acquaintances there are two outstanding personalities, university graduates, namely the history department. Both have made a career in the advertising business, except in practice at school. At one time in the late USSR they said: there is no mind - go to "ped". It is clear that the competition is not very big. It's a shame ... And the quality of graduates is indeed often less than average. And there are many male teachers with higher education anywhere, just not in school.
PS The song on the motive of the funeral march is even more offensive:
Institute of Culture.
The best institute.
Go to the Institute of Culture for .. .. (C)
There is nothing to be surprised. ((((

[Phil77]

Quote: Thick

I sometimes wondered why there were so few male teachers at school almost always.

Good morning! It’s still not a sin to recall the material factor, because the teacher’s salary was not quite worthy of their work.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Thick

At one time in the late USSR, they said: there is no mind - go to "ped". It is clear that the competition is not very big. It's a shame ... And the quality of graduates is indeed often less than average. And there are many male teachers with higher education anywhere, just not in school.

It was not so at my school: the 1960s, male teachers, more than half of the composition. were after teaching at the university, some then went to teach at universities, taught with soul, far beyond the school curriculum.

Beautiful people!
Some veterans of the Second World War.

Half of the teachers are Jews, as, by the way, are the students ....

Almost all graduates entered universities .... Almost everything is abroad ....

[Ross xnumx]

What do historians say?

Do not say anything? Do we have any institute or academy of World History in our country where only reliable data are collected? We study the history of the Russian State by what sources? According to the letters and information remade by the Germans?
What are the “excellent students"? What are the "triplets"? Here, before everyone's eyes and ears, the historical fact of the coup d'etat of the late nineties of the last century, but some Sambist three-roamers and Rio-historians intensely “entered” completely different concepts into the stage of modern Russian history, trying to perpetuate non-existent merits and whitewash the dark affairs. And this story in the form of the “Yeltsin Center” may remain the source of truth, the source of knowledge.
Teachers may be different, but two or two will remain four. And, a tested and edited textbook (not by political scientists and politicians but by all sorts of different ones) can be a very good source and the right tool for studying material. This is only in a joke that cough is treated with purgen, and in practice, recommended and proven medicines are used.

Many people still have their lips moving, that is, they pronounce the readable text to themselves. Such reading allows you to learn only 20% of the text! It happens that the lips themselves are motionless, but the larynx moves. This “laryngophone reading” is 50 to 50. And only when the text is scanned by the eyes (“quick reading”), the text is absorbed by 80-90%.

I never moved my lips. He began to read at the age of five. He remembered and memorized Borodino from his mother’s words (not being able to read), he knew by heart the History of Vlas, the idler and the lobster ... He knew all the songs that were on the phonograph records ... There was no television, and my parents bought TV only in 1964 ... He memorized poetry at school by reading aloud ...
You can read up to old age and never learn common truths that are understandable to ordinary people. It’s enough to simply isolate oneself from life and “annoying” human and everyday factors with armored glass and thick Kremlin walls.
What is happening in Russian education is beneficial for those who are trying to teach us how to live according to the fairy tale "At the command of the pike."
Thank God that there are people in the country for whom questions of history and education as a whole remain in demand.

[kalibr]

Quote: ROSS 42

According to the letters and information remade by the Germans?

Again about the redone information? Well, where is this nonsense? You have written well about your ability to absorb material. But then where did you get information about the altered letters. By whom, when, and most importantly WHY. There have already been several articles on chronicles at VO - go through the profile to see ...

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: kalibr

and most importantly why

Well, why did they come up with nonsense about how Russia defended Europe from the hordes, about the storming of the winter, about the "peasant" uprising of Pugachev, and I ask no one, no one can explain why the nomad Genghis Khan flooded across the continent to the west, and most importantly HOW to him managed in a few years to change the psychology of nomads and unite them

[kalibr]

Quote: Barmaleyka

I’m not asking anyone or anyone who can’t explain what kind of nomad the nomad Genghis Khan crossed across the continent to the west and most importantly HOW he managed to change the psychology of the nomads in a few years and unite them

And why did the Cimmerians, Scythians, Sarmatians, Huns, Avars flow there ... Wave after wave from Asia to Europe hordes of nomads moved. And something united them, right?

[Barmaleyka]

that's exactly what I’m talking about when you describe a topic, study it, and don’t write nonsense about fast reading, the great migration of peoples was due to CLIMATE changes, it had a SPECIFIC reason
with Chingiz Khan, historians frankly "bleat" they say it dawned on and flooded, IT DOES NOT HAPPEN

[Rurikovich]

Quote: Barmaleyka

SO IT DOESN’T HAPPEN

Historians have Historical science completely rejects the logic, common sense and arguments of techies that technically it is impossible to make many masterpieces of prehistoric times with copper chisels and diarite balls

[icelord]

but he didn’t change anything, before the Mongols there were Jurjenis, and before them were Khitan, and all relatives from Mongolia

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: kalibr

And why did the Cimmerians, Scythians, Sarmatians, Huns, Avars flow there ... Wave after wave from Asia to Europe hordes of nomads moved. And something united them, right?

It’s strange somehow. It turns out that Asia was a huge incubator, in which entire nations were born, and then perls and perls in deserted (?) Europe.
It would seem that in Europe, with its mild climate, more people should be born and, moving away from the cramped conditions, all hunting grounds and fishing grounds are already occupied, move eastward to Asia. But no, the "historians" are the opposite. In Asia, with its harsh climate, people multiply faster and, from "crowdedness", burst into Europe.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

and, from "tightness"

despite the fact that the population density there is scanty

[icelord]

Namely, a poor climate and a nomadic lifestyle, a lot of territory is needed. A few successful years and multiplied, and then bang and a bad year, here they go for zipuns

[Barmaleyka]

but apart from the minuses have something to answer?

[icelord]

And about the Khitan who before the Mongols captured China did not hear? There was no need to redo anything there, just the tip changed and that's it

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Icelord

There was no need to redo anything there, just the tip changed and that's it

you would pre-write to learn something about the Khitan he is to the horde by no means, the victims themselves

[icelord]

you are right, and before that the chjurjeni suffered from the Khitan, but the chjurjeni and the Khitan and the Mongols came from the same place

[Barmaleyka]

you tell the Kazakhs, they will scratch their eyes, they believe that it was they who founded the horde and are back to square one - history - a corrupt girl ...

[icelord]

We have a lot of Kazakhs, but they are Turks, although messy and they can say what they want, but the core of the horde is from the steppes of Mongolia, and this is proved

[icelord]

But it is difficult to argue that their ancestors participated in the campaigns of Genghisides. There are many who participated

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Icelord

and it is proven

say it again to the Kazakhs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztaz8425GjQ&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0VyB-WxaSsWwTZnSlhv5hNpg0ssd0MR-qkHSvRWGnxouTJOTIlBvYSVX8

[icelord]

What kind of business do you tell me about Kazakh false scientists, the Kazakhs themselves are laughing at them. In Russia, there are flakes and fomenko, and a lot more, I have no doubt that in Kazakhstan there are such

[icelord]

Here Krasnoyarsk argued very funny, about why the Mongols should go somewhere, because the population density is lower. To school. They will tell you that nomads need a huge territory, and therefore, farming is more profitable.

[I]

,, And, a tested and edited textbook (not by political scientists and politicians, ,,

In general, the school is a state institution, so the state has always chosen what to teach.


For example, before the 17th year, children were taught what God created man. The Communists, however, picked up Darwin's theory and began to teach it in schools. Also, for example, in the lower grades they taught us something like atheism.

But, for example, now for many years there has been an emphasis on mathematics and law, and as a result we get a huge number of economists and lawyers who are useless to anyone. There are so many of them that even Putin spoke out about this. And this is also not just. This is also necessary for someone. And judging by what matters are in the economy, you understand that it is not economists who make the economy. Or they are taught something wrong. And judging by the fact that the main human rights activists in our country receive foreign grants, you understand where the legs grow from.

[BAI]

According to the letters and information remade by the Germans?

The birch-bark letters open in Soviet times were also rewritten by the Germans?

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: BAI

According to the letters and information remade by the Germans?

The birch-bark letters open in Soviet times were also rewritten by the Germans?

And what historical facts from the history of the country are reflected in birch bark letters? If it is possible to draw something from them, then only indirect data.
Therefore, forged and remade completely different.

[Caretaker]

Quote: BAI

The birch-bark letters open in Soviet times were also rewritten by the Germans?

The "Germans" did not know about them, and perhaps they knew but did not attach any importance. In those days, scientists who mentioned birch bark letters were considered "alternatives".
How many birch bark letters were found and recognized as valuable archaeological material before 1917?
The sculptures of Slavic deities are mentioned in the annals, but how many Slavic wooden idols were found on the territory of the Russian Empire, the USSR, and the Russian Federation? Where are they?

[Siberian54]

And you do not understand by what methods "the people voluntarily renounced their religion and gladly climbed into the font and how many were not allowed to emerge"? And do you think that the wooden idol survives its magicians for a long time? Moreover, myths about silver treasures on churchyards were launched ...

[Caretaker]

Quote: Siberian54

... And you think that the wooden idol has long outlived its magi? ...

Probably, the same fate befell many written sources, especially pre-Christian, runes could well be used. Some hundred years ago, birch bark letters were not yet considered as archaeological finds.

[Fat]

Quote: Siberian54

Moreover, myths about silver treasures on graveyards were launched ...

...
What did you actually want to say using the word "churchyard"?
It seems that Princess Olga introduced this naming in everyday life in the XNUMXth century on Novgorod lands. Pogost - the place where the prince stopped when collecting taxes. Not?

[Siberian54]

the graveyard is the place of worship of the Slavic gods and the place of stay of the Magi. And Olga cynically used this name to improve tax collection - people went to the graveyard easier remembering the old gods

[icelord]

oh well, you need a coup. No, just finally the nightmare is over

[nikvic46]

It doesn’t matter what skills the reader possesses. The main thing that he learns from this. Reading is also a job. You can quickly read just by turning the pages. I don’t like this. The same claims can be made by astronomers and natural scientists .. .And we will load the students beyond measure so that they do not need at all. In addition to the cult of the phallus, the Egyptians had the main god. God of the Sun. Of course, it is possible to show erotic sculptures of India in textbooks, but not for junior students.

[kalibr]

Quote: nikvic46

The main thing is that he learns from this. Reading is also a work. You can read quickly by simply turning pages.

Judging by the "letters transformed by the Germans," not everyone succeeds in this work. They read that it is "easier" and "dumber".

[Private-K]

Quote: nikvic46

In addition to the cult of the phallus, the Egyptians had a main god. Sun God.

Here you are!
The other Egyptians did not have Faallic cults! It is simply referred to as an important organ.
And the cult of the "sun god" was generally a short-term heresy picked up by one of the pharaohs and causing great civil unrest.

[Nikolay87]

And how did I live for 30 years without this knowledge ?!

[Private-K]

Quote: Nikolay87

And how did I live for 30 years without this knowledge ?!

"And why does the child need your argafia! The driver will take you!" (c) Fonvizin.
If a person is not interested in knowledge that does not bring him practical "here and now" usefulness; if he contemptuously and with derision refers to such, then this person - bydlyugan.
And speaking culturally and scientifically - half-dibil with a simplified brain structure.

[Barmaleyka]

That is, it is clear that people with a poor vocabulary and primitive reading technology may be interested only in something completely sensational

already nonsense, that is, all "real" historians own speed reading, and all "pseudo" do not

[Gardamir]

It is foolish and unprofessional to judge those who lived a thousand years ago in terms of modernity.
What do historians say about what happened fifty years ago? Why are they lying? They even lie about what happened 20 years ago.

[illi]

The story is not given to children at all for such details. And for the general storage of humanity. And from this point of view, it is better to start from the oldest and lead to the present. Roughly describing the development of society. And such details are for professional historians and history buffs. Well, the goal of the teacher, as I already wrote, is to give the storage, so that the student would know approximately in what century the Kulikovo battle took place, who fought with whom, and what happened at that time in other places. Well, to interest students in history, so that they would like to independently delve into all the subtleties.

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

Dear author, the article is interesting, but ... why mix up "porridge with flies" - namely, school with academic science? It's just that these two social institutions (school - research institute) have two different goals. School is the transfer of a minimum of knowledge for adult life, and research institutes are already adult life and work in a very narrow corridor of the topic ... In addition to historians, there are also physicists, chemists, etc. Ask their opinion about our school curriculum in physics, from the point of view of a professional, your opinions will coincide in many respects - especially on the question of why kids at school in physics lessons do not study (for example) cold plasma synthesis))) You write interestingly, but it is better to share : "porridge" - school and university, i.e. education, and, "flies" - research institutes, i.e. science !!!!

[kalibr]

Vitali is all like that! Now this

Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal

So write you are interested

The fact is that in the era of online journalism for 80% of readers it does not matter what, it’s important ... how! With this, as you yourself wrote everything is OK.

[fk7777777]

Exactly, but how are they taught and that the monkeys found a stick and became humans, really? And so is all school education.

[lelik613]

"Bad soldier! You started well, but ended badly ..." (c) Master

[Free wind]

We know the history of ancient civilizations, from interfluve and Egypt, to the Incas. But we don’t know our story at all. A tale of bygone years? but what can a monk write other than what he is told. In the Vatican, a huge library is assembled, archives that are pleasing and not pleasing are kept, everything is destroyed in our country that is not pleasing to the kings. And do you need some knowledge about which the author wrote? I read and read a lot and with pleasure. I read in the 5th grade about ancient Greece .. I read about the island of Lesbos and its inhabitants. and that I understood, but nothing. Well, girls love girls. well, in our school girls and girls were friends only, we couldn’t think of anything else. I remember in the 3rd grade the girl kissed her on the cheek seeing me off from school, so she threw me a scandal. that her mother scolds because children are born from kisses. I had to reassure her, so that the children appeared, she would not get off with kisses. One teacher said that they teach in the first class to read, write, count, then a person learns himself, the teacher only helps. Parents instilled in the child a thirst for knowledge, the child will learn. And blame textbooks, exam, etc. there's no point. I don’t like how your child is fed history, get on the Internet, there are a great many free films on historical films. Books many contagion paid, copyright, What rights, Dumas quacked centuries ago !!!. Much of course depends on the teacher, but parents also engage in upbringing.

[I]

,, Books many contagion paid, copyright, What rights, Dumas quacked centuries ago !!!. ,,


Almost everything can be downloaded via torrent

[Snail N9]

Almost everything can be downloaded via torrent

You can download a lot, but not all. Here is a link to our favorite tracker (we can, whoever needs it, just do not forget the VPN, first put it):
https://rutracker.appspot.com/forum/index.php

[Alf]

Quote: Snail N9

Almost everything can be downloaded via torrent

You can download a lot, but not all. Here is a link to our favorite tracker (we can, whoever needs it, just do not forget the VPN, first put it):
https://rutracker.appspot.com/forum/index.php

It is possible without VPN, download and install the plugin for rutrekker and no problems.

[Van 16]

And I'm almost on the topic, without politics and other things.
To begin with - there is such a bike that when Astrid Lindgren read the reverse translation from her Russian Carlson in the classic Soviet translation by Lungina, she said: What a wonderful book, it’s a pity that it wasn’t me who wrote it.
So there are different adaptations, and the respected author is absolutely right, everything has its time.
This also applies to myths and other children's books. Whoever read Gulliver in the Soviet children's version, or in the original, will understand. Well, or "Niels's Journey with Wild Geese", a Soviet retelling, so to speak, as if not better than the original. Everything has its time.

[Caretaker]

I read "Russian Fairy Tales" published by the early XNUMXth century, it was interesting to compare.

[Van 16]

Yes, it was also somehow comparing the old, pre-revolutionary translation of the Snow Queen with the later, Soviet version, it was very interesting.

[fk7777777]

the author before blaming people who you never knew, you better explain, yeah, about Egypt. The basis of the building material is basalt (the fortress exceeds steel by 2 times), and geopolymer concrete (no one has reproduced its composition on Earth until now), but, at school, they teach that ashot and magician did this with a copper chisel? That is, they drilled pits and wells in basalt, used machine processing of stone, there are traces everywhere from cars, and on the pyramids too. Sorry, but where is so much copper (it is completely useless for these purposes, try it yourself) they took ashat and a magician and most importantly, where are the copper-nickel plants in Egypt (well, their remnants, and all the more should remain SLAM, not to be confused with slag), and? We see high-tech construction, traces of the processing machine, no company can reproduce the construction technology, even those that build skyscrapers in New York, Washington. Well, the author, where are your porno fantasy?

[Maks1995]

Wah!
You are well done.
A living example of a whistleblower ..

Geopolymer concrete.
Basalt.
Copper.
"high-tech construction"

Classic, classic arguments ......... !!!! For anyone on the internet is full of articles and videos.

I especially liked the video, where one dark-skinned, half-naked aborigine, with a hammer, from "building material basalt (the strength exceeds steel by 2 times)" sitting on a stone in the middle of nature tapped out a massive vase for flowers ..... ancient high tenology !!!!

[BAI]

Geopolymer concrete.
Basalt.
Copper.
"high-tech construction"

[Han Tengri]

Quote: fk7777777

the author before blaming people who you never knew for meekness ...

Well, judging by what you wrote here, he blames it for good reason.

[Undecim]

the author before blaming people who you never knew, you better explain, yeah, about Egypt.
Basalt building material (fortress exceeds steel by 2 times)
Another dense ignoramus appeared on the site.
Before "tackling" the author, everyone should start with themselves and not write illiterate, stupid comments, otherwise the first grader he reads will think it's true. And it is advisable to learn how to clearly express your thoughts, because it is difficult to find meaning in your akyn's recitative.
To begin with, explain what you mean by "strength" and give a source with figures where the "strength" of basalt exceeds the "strength" of steel.
geopolymer concrete (so far on Earth no one has reproduced its composition)
Geopolymer cement, with the help of which geopolymer concrete is obtained, can be bought at any building market.

[Senior seaman]

The author has a cycle about the pyramids. Read.

[icelord]

Oh my god, to school boy, to school

[comradChe]

To paraphrase a little, I will say this: "I spoke, wringing my hands, a fluff and a balamut about the FORCE of science in front of the secret of Bermuda." Ambition, in the Russian sense of the word, is felt.

[Maks1995]

Alas. The author is right.
A few of my friends (for some reason, all humanities and older people) seriously believe in everything.
From aliens who built the pyramids, to amers who have not been to the moon (and ours hide it all).

I read other articles of the author, where he is also accused of falsification by commentators)))

[kalibr]

Quote: Max1995

I read other articles of the author, where he is also accused of falsification by commentators.

Look through the profile, there are a lot of interesting materials ... with photocopies of documents and newspaper pages.

[Maks1995]

Thank. I looked. It turns out I read a lot

[BAI]

Theses, master's and doctoral, are also a great source of information, moreover, they are all posted on the Internet today.

six doctors and five candidates of science, settled down in the same dissertation council, are simultaneously presented for appeal - as illegally obtaining these degrees.
Members of the Higher Attestation Commission voted unanimously ten times and abstained only in the eleventh four. But the decision adopted by the majority, and in this case was categorical: to deprive of a scientific degree. Thus, scientific dishonesty and fraud, opened by the commission of the Ministry of Education and Science in the work of the dissertation council D 212.154.01 at Moscow State Pedagogical University, received a significantly tough assessment.

And if you also remember the Bible. The Kama Sutra is resting in comparison with her.

[kalibr]

Quote: BAI

six doctors and five candidates of science, settled down in the same dissertation council, are simultaneously presented for appeal - as illegally obtaining these degrees.
Members of the Higher Attestation Commission voted unanimously ten times and abstained only in the eleventh four. But the decision adopted by the majority, and in this case was categorical: to deprive of a scientific degree. Thus, scientific dishonesty and fraud, opened by the commission of the Ministry of Education and Science in the work of the dissertation council D 212.154.01 at Moscow State Pedagogical University, received a significantly tough assessment.

At all times there have been unscrupulous people, both above and below. But, nevertheless, this is still the best source. And then, if there is a link to the document, you can always check it, right? And so, by the way, they are lacking in science and expose!

[RUSS]

Vyacheslav, thanks, great article, we are waiting for the application

[kalibr]

This, alas, is a one-time article. It is on this topic that there will be no continuation. I had to "by the way" in the process of working on the book ... But there will be a multi-part topic on the history of clothing and it has already begun. He also promised a "flood" cycle. The first article is about to come out ...

[3x3zsave]

Hello, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
The first article is about to be released ...
The funny thing is that the link to this article is under this material, as part of the cycle. I always thought that the authors themselves determine the attitude of their articles to a particular cycle. But no, it turns out it all depends on the breadth of the flight of the editorial fantasy

[kalibr]

Anton, you are right. From the cycle ... oh. I just "marked" it for myself as a one-time. And I inserted it into the loop, well ... to insert it somewhere. Couldn't think of a suitable "non-cyclic" name. It's good that you noticed.

[3x3zsave]

So the flood article itself is still in moderation!

[kalibr]

Yes, waiting in the wings.

[fk7777777]

Better about the city of Byblos, well, where Vladimir Ilyich founded the newspaper "Pravda", tell us which was on the territory of middle Egypt, well, you should know, the territory of ancient Egypt, how it was then destroyed and most importantly why? ...

[Alf]

Quote: kalibr

But there will be a multi-topic topic on the history of clothing

On a MILITARY review? Better not, you still invite the fame of Zaitsev here ...

[bubalik]

Gods Atum, Osiris and Ptah

,,, the author does not mind if I add a few pictures ?

[fk7777777]

And we must take the word that this was done by uneducated ashat and mage walking in their skins (by the way, what kind of skin dressing should be so that a person does not infect himself with intense wear?), And did this with a stick left from his ancestors monkeys? Well nonsense ...

[kalibr]

I am for it". Very beautiful photos.

[Brigadier]

To tell fifth graders about genitalia in history is just that!

[fk7777777]

Yeah, especially dude phimosis, camping trip ..

[Alf]

Quote: Brigadier

To tell fifth graders about genitalia in history is just that!

Who hurts something ..

[3x3zsave]

My respect, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
After reading, the material left the main impression: what is the speech about? I will consider it a "cry from the heart", like that anecdote about the announcement of the missing dog.

[Moskovit]

A good teacher in any subject will always give more to the school curriculum and will interest his students. Not all, but many.
My daughter is an English teacher. He comes up with all sorts of contests, tasks, from films and the present. Children are thrilled.
I loved the story terribly. At one time I read a book about the Assyrians. And in the textbook a paragraph was devoted to them ... But you can understand - put 10 thousand years into a small book ...

[Pacifist with AK]

Good morning, dear Vyacheslav Olegovich! I read your article with interest. There was an aftertaste in the form, if I may say so, of some ambivalence.
I pay tribute to you, as a historian, a painstaking researcher of archives, an erudite and extraordinary person! Your work captivates with its versatility, depth of "digging" , the quality of processing of the source material, a distinct authorial position. In short, respect!
On the other hand, the author’s position, sometimes, greatly affects the result, although this is understandable .. You can not grasp the immense and be pleasant and convenient to everyone and everyone!
Regarding this article. I agree that teaching schematized and traditional history is not the right thing! Indeed, myths and rumors from the past, political cliches, and an outright fake are often presented in history. It’s not for me to tell you that the latest history of any country is a litter for those in power, no more .....
Regarding the sacred information about who, whom, where, how and with what - completely unnecessary information for children! grow up - they themselves will find out, as it was at all times. Clever - will be critical, not very - they will sacredly believe in the fuel elements of the ancient Egyptians. Ce la vie .... You - success, man You are undoubtedly talented .....
Would you like to write a history textbook? Or weak Oh?

[kalibr]

Quote: AK pacifist

Would you like to write a history textbook? Or weak Oh?

Thanks for your comment. About the tutorial ... I wrote. But ... they explained to me in the publishing house Enlightenment what a headache it is to promote a new textbook. It is not enough to write it. We need to prepare manuals for teachers, go through a lot of approvals. And they advised him to convert it into a book for reading. And it came out and was recommended as additional reading to the textbook of the Middle Ages. It's called "Knights, Castles, Weapons" (Rosman, 2006) There are three children's school directories: Knights, Crusaders, Indians. (Nevskaya book company).

[UA3QHP]

Quote: kalibr

And you prove it! All the materials I have provided have links to sources or are photocopies. So - this is not a lie!

And in the years of 70s-80s, you relying on the same archives proved the opposite, what was the dissertation about?

[kalibr]

Sergei! Consider: the archives are the same, the documents are different! And the dissertation was about the party leadership of NIRS. And it ... was!

[UA3QHP]

So I about the fact that the archives are the same, but the documents from them can be got different, and the history with us, especially the closest, becomes different. Yesterday was one, but today it is different.

[kalibr]

Quite right, Sergei! In Soviet times, when I was writing a dissertation on the history of the CPSU in the first year, my scientific advisor said: write carefully weighing the negative and the positive, and remember that no one defended himself on one negative. It was 1985. Then in 1987 he said: write as it is ... In 1988 - write as it is, only without the commonplace abuse against the Communist Party. And today, what you want, you write. Do you want to praise? On VO there are articles where they praise, and how. Stalin is called "the red emperor". If you want to scold, please. Everything is on the Internet!

[Nikolaevich I]

No .... and chago The author pounced on the poor "school history"? And how he presents a brief teaching of history, containing events for many millennia ? How can you explain the reasons for historical events to five-graders so that they understand if sex education lessons are introduced in grades 9-11 ... and then "now", and then not everywhere ?! Earlier, children were born by budding! But not everything was so "scary" and so "bad" in Soviet schools! In history textbooks, a list of literature recommended for "free reading" was given to the topic! And you could read a lot of interesting things! How do you, for example, "Gargantua and Pantagruel" by Rabelais? It was in the "Soviet school" that I got carried away by history and began to read a lot! Even at school, the history teacher began to "correct" ... with different "consequences .... The concept of" self-education "has not been canceled! Someone at school teaches arithmetic according to the school curriculum, and some are" inquisitive "(from the same class. ..) at home they are "dragging away" from trigonometric functions and integrals! "Byada" of current generations is not even a loss of desire (habit) to read (information can be learned in another way ...); but in the inability to comprehend information ... to separate "grains "from the" chaff "... to prioritize correctly!

[fk7777777]

Yeah, especially when trying to calculate the area of ​​wallpaper in the store it’s funny to look at people with disabilities, where did they study?

[srha]

History is a complex science. Not everyone even knows its scientific and philosophical definition and purpose: "history is the science of modernity as a result of the previous development of mankind" MV Popov. In other words: The present and the future cannot be built without the past. It is impossible to understand the present and the prospects for its transformation into the future without the past. This is what history does: understanding the present based on the past. Naturally, in accordance with what they want to build, they’re kurochat (history). In this, by the way, for those who understand the significance of history, plus - you read other people's stories and understand where the people / nation / country are striving.

As for sex in history (and in general) - why kids don't see what the dogs are doing on the streets? Well, the city's probably, he himself met a chela (in a construction brigade) that at first he could not distinguish a bull from a cow, they explained nothing, and the psyche of the chela completely resisted ... It is foolish to hide it, - you need to be able to explain normally, in accordance with the level. After all, they teach a child to go to the toilet correctly, so it is necessary to teach and treat correctly (do not be confused with "doing", this is only a part of "treating", and a later one) to sex - in accordance with cultural traditions. And it is stupid to hide - this is not a tradition, but a political deceptive technology for growing LGBT people based on a psychological technique: close access to the correct infe from childhood, and then fill the growing void (after all, the child grows and his intellect grows, which means that the voids grow, at least due to the growth of adjacent areas) in such a way that it is possible this way, and this way, and that way, without looking back at the naturally correct way - this is the psychological technique.

[fk7777777]

Well, listen to the Cyrillic alphabet among the Tatars, the Chuvash have the Latin alphabet, Kazan and Shupashkar are the Volga, there are no people who would write hieroglyphs from top to bottom, and so on to Mongolia, out of 225 boxes. Sakha, well, there are no people there at all. Well, what are the Mongols, maybe the Martians?

[Undecim]

That is, it’s difficult to interest people in the true story, but it’s easy to make all sorts of nonsense.
This phrase had to be written in the epigraph to the article, since its content has nothing to do with the struggle of historical science with pseudoscience. But it is replete with all sorts of "nonsense", very conducive to the next holivar (or srach) between people who are not even aware of the existence of such categories as theory, philosophy and methodology of history.
At least the author should have studied the methodology of historical science and the methods of presenting historical knowledge in the pedagogical institute, therefore he should know that all those "genital-sexual" details, which are emphasized in the article as a "missing link" in the process of studying history, on in fact, no influence on this very process of historical knowledge is affected.
The goal of teaching history at school is a very difficult question in itself and is dependent on the state of society. But in any case, the basis of this process is the history of the development of human civilization. Moreover, in any case, you choose a formational approach to the study of history, as in the Soviet school, or civilizational, as in modern, Priapus’s competition in the length of the phallus with a donkey and the subsequent transformation of the donkey into a constellation for this study does not matter and knowledge of historical processes and the formation of the corresponding worldview does not affect.
As for me, a series of articles on the methodology of history would be much more useful for the fight against pseudoscience, which would contribute to the understanding that history is precisely a science, with its own laws of cognition, and not a contemplative-descriptive process of "Germans sent by the Anglo-Saxons".
It is true that it is more difficult to interest people in such articles than the Priapus phallus, but it is possible.

[kalibr]

Quote: Undecim

As for me, a series of articles on the methodology of history would be much more useful for combating pseudoscience, which would contribute to the understanding that history is a science, with its own laws of knowledge

These are: A - difficult, and B - 80% boring. And if so, then ... why?

[Undecim]

These are: A - difficult, and B - 80% boring. And if so, then ... why?
Then, otherwise it turns out not the fight against pseudoscience, but its (pseudoscience) exploitation and somewhere even popularization.
Nevertheless, Fomenko operates with astronomy, and you are fighting with him the phallus of Priapus. It looks original, but the effect may be the opposite.

[kalibr]

Quote: Undecim

It looks original, but the effect may be the opposite.

The effect is on intelligence, the main thing is that it "looks original."

[Undecim]

Yes, the use of the phallus in historical disputes is not a trivial phenomenon, there is no arguing here.

[Mikhail3]

Well, I didn’t read all the bullshit ...

the insidious historians conspired and hide from the poor Russian citizens certain "secrets and mysteries" of history that are extremely important to them.

Favorite intellectual reception. Blame your opponent for what he did not do or say, and then "defeat" him. I would say that it is a shame to use such feints, but historians and shame are incompatible concepts.
Nobody claims that historians "hide secrets." You have to be a very inadequate character to say that. To hide something, you need to know it. And the intellectual level of historians ... does not really allow you to know anything. For our historians, it is a serious mystery how "in ancient Athens, non-fading paints were applied to vessels." That is, the "mystery" of glaze is insoluble for historians, alas, the brain does not pull ...
Calm down, Mr. Shpakovsky. Nobody blames you for knowing some real secrets. Relax. We fully understand the current situation ...

[kalibr]

It is good, Mikhail, that you understand. "I know the city will, I know, the garden will bloom when there are such people in the Soviet country!" And in Russia too!

[smaug78]

Well, for example, when in the fifth grade we studied the history of Ancient Egypt, we were told about some beast-headed gods and the first myths about the creation of the world. But they didn’t tell us, and even this is not in the textbook, that among the Egyptian gods there was such a god - Atum. This god was bisexual and held his "female part" in his hand. He created the world by pouring his seed into his own mouth, and then spitting out the cat goddess Tefnut and her husband Shu.

Yes, it’s very important for a fifth grader to know. And in what class do the genitourinary system of a person go?

[WayKheThuo]

Everyone is happy with the article - I really liked it and I agree with everything, with the exception of the penultimate passage, namely:

In a word, this is a long-standing problem, from the time when it was somehow decided that people without university diplomas were quite capable of creating a better society than that run by the graduates of Oxford and Yale. And something even they did. Only then, however, they still outplayed these “comrades”.

What can I say - well, the author of the USSR does not like him, he did not like “that country” —this is his personal business, but:
1. People who created a society of a new type, at the very beginning of its formation, were, for the most part, without university degrees, that’s true, but it was the owners of these same degrees that destroyed it.
2. The result was not “something even,” but the first state based on principles fundamentally different from Capitalism. A state that is ahead of the course of History by 500 years, probably. A state that has gained its authority and has set the political tone on the ball is a real superpower. For the historian with whom the author positions himself, such a derogatory statement, from my point of view, is unacceptable.
3. As for the graduates designated by the author of educational institutions, the essence of studying in conditional “yale”, from my point of view, is not knowledge as such, but the opportunity to get into the caste and acquire connections. And, by the way, they did not “replay” anyone - the top of the USSR itself safely rotted, unable to withstand the requirements that a new type of society places on its elite, because the coachman is unlikely to be able to drive a car, although the job is the same - transporting passengers and goods.

Nevertheless, it is necessary to pay tribute to the author - he touched upon, albeit briefly, a very important problem - the crisis of humanitarian education in my country. Young people now do not even know, but the older generation perfectly remembers the half-joking dispute between “physicists” and “lyricists”.
I believe that “physicists”, in a certain historical period, won, which substantially predetermined the ideological crisis of the late USSR, the monstrous degradation of social thought and, as a result, enormous difficulties in developing the ideological platform of modern Russia.
I think so.

[kalibr]

Quote: WayKhe Thuo

I believe that “physicists”, in a certain historical period, won, which substantially predetermined the ideological crisis of the late USSR, the monstrous degradation of social thought and, as a result, enormous difficulties in developing the ideological platform of modern Russia.

Of course, because they created the bomb. The only thing that did not allow ... to fall apart earlier.

[WayKheThuo]

The only thing that did not allow ... to fall apart earlier.

Not a single bomb, unfortunately, because by the end of the eighties we had these bombs, coupled with delivery vehicles, like candy wrappers, but the country fell apart due to an ideological crisis that coincided with the aggravation of economic problems and the complete rebirth of the country's leadership - no bombs helped .

[Aviator_]

I agree with all three points highlighted by you. Regarding the "physicists" and "lyricists" I would like to note the following. The physicists did not win. It was not even the financiers who won, but the people who are obliged to know the laws of the development of society, but do not know it. The social sciences would only benefit if the methods of the exact sciences were applied to them where possible. For example, in jurisprudence it is believed that the "presumption of innocence" is the height of human thought, that those societies where this principle is absent are underdeveloped. However, what this principle essentially means is that under it some of the criminals will remain unpunished. In a society with a low level of crime, this is permissible, but in a society with a high level of crime, crime will simply destroy it. In the absence of this principle, innocent people are also punished, but again, it's all about quantity. The picture is quite amenable to numerical modeling.
Well, about the Soviet "Engineers of Human Souls" (the so-called lyricists) I would like to say: they turned out to be corrupt for the most part, only one "Letter 42" addressed to EBN in 1993 is worth something.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: WayKhe Thuo

A state that is ahead of the course of History by 500 years, probably. A state that has gained its authority and has set the political tone on the ball is a real superpower.

The course of History cannot be outstripped. How impossible to get ahead of Time. Pithecanthropus with a stone ax in hand - Pithecanthropus. Pithecanthropus with a nuclear ax in his hand is the same Pithecanthropus. The expression "he / they are ahead of / and time" is nothing more than a figure of speech.
History, or rather Historiography, only reflects what happened as time went on.

The classics of Marxism-Leninism taught us that progressive socio-economic formations, as a result of the growth of the level of productive forces and the struggle of antagonistic classes, should replace the outdated ones. This theory worked fine. It was called “five-member” and, according to the number of formations, in accordance with the prevailing production relations and forms of ownership, was divided into:
primitive communal;
slaveholding;
feudal;
capitalist;
communist.
(In the five-term formational scheme, socialism was considered as the first phase of the highest — communist — social formation.)

Indeed, the primitive communal system was replaced by a slave system. Spartacus could boldly lead his troops under the slogan "Long live feudalism - the bright future of mankind!", Because feudalism is more progressive than slavery, and so on. For the time being - for the time being, everything was in order. At the time of the parallel coexistence of the capitalist and socialist systems, the latter positioned itself as an alternative to capitalism, even was attractive and had followers all over the world. However, since the end of the 80s of the last century, this theory has been in a state of crisis, because theoretically capitalism should have been replaced by socialism, and then by communism, but alas ...
In other words, socialism rested in the Bose, communism was never born, and capitalism is doomed to perpetual decay, for there is no real replacement for it today. Dot.

Quote: WayKhe Thuo

the essence of studying in conventional “yale”, from my point of view, is not knowledge per se, but the opportunity to get into the caste and get connections.

I would not oversimplify it. There is my article on VO. "New England. Part 2: The Ivy League and the US Navy Submarine Museum" which talks a little about this. https://topwar.ru/143113-novaya-angliya-chast-2-liga-plyuscha-avtor-gambita-i-muzey-podvodnogo-flota-vms-ssha.html

[WayKheThuo]

I would not oversimplify it. There is my article on VO. "New England. Part 2: The Ivy League and the US Navy Submarine Museum" which talks a little about this. https://topwar.ru/143113-novaya-angliya-chast-2-liga-plyuscha-avtor-gambita-i-muzey-podvodnogo-flota-vms-ssha.html

Thanks for the article - read with interest.
Naturally, I'm simplifying a little and it would be ridiculous to say that a Yale graduate is a stupid * snout dunduk, and the level of education received is something at the level of our polytechnic, but, from my point of view, in addition to knowledge, the graduate of the Ivy League educational institution together with a diploma is given a certain invisible pass to the dressing room of an elite club, and a companion from Skull and Bones is probably given a certain number at a table in the said club. The main question here is how deserved it is and how the owner of this "ethereal" acquisition will dispose of it, but this, as they say, is their own business.

[begemot20091]

Always did not like historians. In the morning I felt their venality. Here is another leaned out - when the Soviet Union wrote one, now speaks of another. I de sat in the archives. I met such scribblers after the Afghan and Chechen events ... Heroes !!!! They walked with the scouts, they cleared mine ... They didn’t go out of the toilet in the Moscow tavern, but they put on medals, as if they had smoked anasha in Kunduz.

[Astra wild]

"he never saw her live, because he had never been to the British Museum" Vyacheslav Olegovich, you also did not live in the Middle Ages, but you know that era well. And who prevents AMATEUR people from reading about it. Fortunately, the Internet allows anyone to do this.
R.
S
Perhaps it seemed to me that you are a little pretending that you have visited many museums and "seen" live.

[kalibr]

Quote: Astra wild

And who is stopping the LOVELY people from reading about it. The benefit of the Internet allows this to be done by ANYONE.

But for some reason they don’t do it!

[vladcub]

Perhaps they are not so inquisitive?

[kalibr]

Nowhere, Astra, did I write that I was in the British Museum and that I was in England. I have not been there yet.

[Operator]

I did not understand - when did religious studies manage to become part of historical science?

Yes - and when did it begin to be taught in detail in secondary schools of the Russian Federation?

And for a snack - when did graduates of universities with a degree in the history of the CPSU (albeit with a large vocabulary) become historians?

[kalibr]

Quote: Operator

graduates of universities in the specialty "History of the CPSU"

What are you, Andrey! There were no university graduates in this specialty. Only after completing graduate school, it was possible according to the results of the defense, to obtain a degree from it. Clear? A university diploma was usually a history teacher. Or as in my case: history and English. And then she covered herself with a copper basin in 1991, and now 2020. It was possible to change the specialty many times and get not one, but several educations, and higher ones.

[agond]

History is a cunning science .... they will bring real documents to one place, as if for storage, where they mysteriously disappear forever, but instead of them "copies" appear, which are stored in the archives, they are then shoved into the nose of historians, and then they tell us, "adult children" fairy tales

[vladcub]

There is no such specialization. Perhaps a historian, but specializes in one thing. Like our Olenev in WWI, and the Wind in the history of the Caucasus

[Operator]

Now it’s not, but before 1992 it was very.

[kalibr]

Quote: Operator

Now it’s not, but before 1992 it was very.

Do not tell tales!

[Operator]

Damn, what are these tales - here's the notorious source:

Order of the Ministry of Higher and Secondary Specialized Education of the USSR No. 17 of November 1987, 790 "On the approval of the list of specialties of universities in the USSR" - in the appendix number 02.06 the specialty "History of the CPSU" is named
http://docs.cntd.ru/document/901904975

There is nothing to mislead Russian youth - we Soviet have all your moves recorded

[kalibr]

Andrew! We're just talking about different things. The list of specialties of graduates of pedagogical universities of the USSR did not include the specialty HISTORY of the CPSU. "The university diplomas usually included a history teacher. Or, as in my case: history and English." I already wrote to you about this. And this applied to ALL pedagogical universities in the country. Nevertheless, this specialty was undoubtedly, dissertations were defended on it, it was taught. It is possible that in some of the main universities in the country, for example, Moscow State University, it was a specialization. But not a single graduate of the country's pedagogical institutes had a diploma of "historian of the CPSU". Explained easily?

[Operator]

There are no questions about the graduates of "pedagogical institutes" (according to the current colleges)

Admit it - the historian of the CPSU is not a specialty, but a vocation.

[kalibr]

"named the specialty" History of the CPSU "The same as any other. Each has its own courage, its own preferences ...

[Operator]

The history of the CPSU, taught in Soviet universities, was the most mythologized discipline.

For example, nothing was said about the Russophobia of the ideological mastermind of the communist movement Mordechai Marx, who was a member of the Masonic Bnai Brit box, along with the vast majority of leaders of the First International.

About the Russophobic upbringing of the Ulyanov brothers by a non-Russian mother, constantly repeating about the natural stupidity of the Russians, as well as about the regular summer vacation of the Ulyanov family in the estate of then-living grandfather Srul Blanca, who undoubtedly shared his thoughts with the younger generation about the place of Jews in the world.

About the initial formation of the RSDLP under the wing of the BUND with the co-optation of the leadership of the new batch of functionaries of the old (the majority). About the sources of financing of the RSDLP before the October Revolution (Jewish banking capital represented by the Rothschilds and others). On the political cover for the subversive activities of the RSDLP by the Jewish lobby in Europe (issuing foreign passports, arranging crossings of European borders, facilitating congresses and training courses for party functionaries).

About the controller Vladimir Ulyanov from his financial sponsors in the person of Angelina Balabanova, a Russian Jew by birth, who controlled, until 1917, along with a promising Russian citizen, also an Italian citizen Benito Mussolini, as well as an Austrian citizen Adolf Hitler (they don’t put eggs in one basket, they don’t is it true).

About how the "Russian" elite of the RCP (b) betrayed Russia's allies in WWI, routinely destroyed Orthodox churches, incited terror during the Civil War and, with a stroke of the pen, transformed the federal Russian state into a confederation of nation states in 1922.

[kalibr]

Quote: Operator

The history of the CPSU, taught in Soviet universities, was the most mythologized discipline.

This is you to the point.

[Vovan]

Such reading allows you to learn only 20% of the text! It happens that the lips themselves are motionless, but the larynx moves. This “laryngophone reading” is 50 to 50. And only when the text is scanned by the eyes (“quick reading”), the text is absorbed by 80-90%.

Amused - from the heart, and most importantly - peremptory of what was said: anyway, what is read - Kant, Shakespeare or Landau - the main thing is to scan the text with your eyes, and you will be happy and understanding. Keep it up!

[Vovan]

Quote: YOUR

At first I thought I was kidding. For example, you can’t open the microwave door because harmful waves still run there, reflected from the walls.

But it will surprise you greatly that radio astronomers have been looking for a source of short bursts of radio waves for ten years, which turned out to be microwaves that open prematurely stops?

[Ivan Kolodin]

I’m probably getting old, but it seems to me that this article was written after a hard drinking, to be honest in history, a lot of interesting things were not told, but in addition to the writings of the ancient Gods, and the deed of the ancient Roman emperors ....
I recommend the author to oversleep and have a bite .... And then the style of presentation is a subject for the study of psychiatrists .... Or narcologists

[Pacifist with AK]

Let’s lower the passions! Dedicated to historians ......

[UA3QHP]

Quote: A. Privalov

for capitalism theoretically should have been replaced by socialism, and beyond that, communism, but alas ..

Probably could not. But it was the USSR that made the capitalists turn to face people and spend money on the social protection of the population.

[ser56]

Quote: Ua3qhp

But it was the USSR that made the capitalists turn to face people and spend money on the social protection of the population.

read Henry Ford - he reached the right conclusions before 1MB

[UA3QHP]

To paraphrase one well-known expression: "With a kind word and a revolver, you can achieve more than one kind word."
So the USSR, in my opinion, was the very revolver, in addition to the words of Henry Ford.

[ser56]

Quote: Ua3qhp

thereby revolver, in addition to the words of Henry Ford.

who knows what is more important, the main thing Ford started earlier - I’m just talking about something else - that capitalism adapts itself well enough ...

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Ua3qhp

it was the USSR that made the capitalists turn to face people and spend money on the social protection of the population.

I want to surprise you.
The first kindergartens were created in Germany in the middle of the XIX century. The first state pension system was also created in Germany at the end of the 70th century. It was created at the initiative of the “iron chancellor” Otto von Bismarck for those “who cannot work due to age” - then people left for a well-deserved rest after XNUMX years.
In 1916, despite the war, the retirement age in Germany was reduced to 65 years and remained so for almost 100 years.
Following Germany, in 1891, Denmark introduced the pension system, in 1898 New Zealand, in 1908 Great Britain, and in 1910 France. It introduced compulsory pension insurance of employees for old age, disability and loss of breadwinner.

Only in 1930, the USSR adopted the “Regulation on Pensions and Benefits for Social Insurance”, and in 1932, the legislatively established age for retirement was 55 years for women and 60 for men. Finally, the pension system in the Soviet Union was established only in 1956, together with the adoption of the law "On state pensions."

I'm not talking about the notorious American food stamps - food stamps that are issued to citizens who have no income or have low income. This program worked in the 30s and 40s and began to work again in 1961 and is valid to this day.

[faterdom]

It’s just that attempts to make mankind happy at one stroke are futile. And under Djoser there were highly learned priests, and dark peasants. So it is now - in-depth knowledge of the subject cannot be forced upon everyone, including those to whom it is uninteresting and even disgusting.
There was a strong gymnasium education in pre-revolutionary Russia, it was not for everyone, very much not for everyone, but not only for the "elite".
Gave us Tsiolkovsky, Bulgakov, Sikorsky, Zvorykin, Paustovsky, Bonch-Bruevich, Krylov - there are many who ... But not a hundred million geniuses.
The Soviet school was already simpler, although, perhaps, in terms of physics and chemistry, you are more advanced - after all, a hundred years have passed. I had a classmate who read in syllables in the 7th grade. There was another one who simply skipped classes at grades 7-8, shoved the exams with the help of compassionate teachers. He wanted to become a chauffeur, and he became one, everything is fine with him, and he has no problem with the problems of the Great French Revolution.
In general, Americans have deep specialization, breadth of horizons and encyclopedic knowledge are "impractical." Why know everything if they only pay me for this and that?
I remember that Dr. Watson tried to make a portrait characterization of his neighbor, and was surprised to find that he had deep knowledge of chemistry, and absolute zero in astronomy.
In my opinion, school education should still be broad-minded, whoever absorbs, will at least not be a layman, who will be carried away by some of the subjects - let him go deep into the tower.
Only now profane teachers, do not care, hypocrites are not needed, even harmful - they cripple the souls of children, answering them a naive question: "Was it possible?"
And grades should be obtained not by "testing", but in the most fierce form of brain gymnastics: dialogue with a strong interlocutor, be it a teacher, or, perhaps, a classmate. Like Plato.
History is an interesting science. Only 95% do not need it in practice, and 60% is simply not interesting, as such.

[I]

The main task of the school, in my opinion, is not to discourage the child from the desire to learn and strengthen the desire for knowledge. Learning should be interesting, then there will be much more geniuses. Moreover, there are many great names that are poorly studied at school. And how many great ones who did not realize themselves, we lost.

[Caretaker]

Quote: faterdom

History is an interesting science. Only 95% do not need it in practice, and 60% is simply not interesting, as such.

You probably meant history as a science, although in this case too I would not say so categorically. Knowledge of the sequence of events, their relationship between themselves and natural phenomena, combined with a knowledge of geography, has practical value for each person.

[shubin]

And the ancient Egyptians with the Greeks are still inventors! It is evident that they themselves came off to the fullest in order to come up with this!

[didra]

I apologize, but there is no such thing as a primary source in historical science. There is a historical discipline-source study, it is also engaged in the classification of types and types of sources. There are also auxiliary historical disciplines - paleography, metrology, chronology, sphragistics, heraldry, numismatics, historical onomastics, geneology and the system of social etiquette. These disciplines are taught at the history departments of pedagogical universities:） Of course, none of the normal adults tells children about the genitals - we all have to put up with this. Teaching children the story from the source （beginning） to our days is natural. Firstly, any story, like a plot-event canvas, is told from the beginning. Secondly, the closer to our days the more complicated, eventful the historical canvas is. It is clear that in 13-16 years it is easier to learn. Thirdly, memorizing dates - cramming, forms perseverance, will and ability to obey elders, which is very important for every person.
PS The prime mover is the source of all movement, the primary source is the source of any source！ Question: The primary source is an event or creature？: integral

[Operator]

In the "History" section of the VO portal, a group of adherents of written sources of historical data has formed - such as if radiocarbon / genetic / isotope analysis contradicts dialogues / annals / chronicles / sagas (chronicles do not count, since they are supposedly entirely late fakes), then so much the worse for analysis ...

[didra]

Dear, did I write - a written source？ I wrote that there are different types and types of sources. And it’s not entirely clear why you are boiling？ What are you, an adherent of dendrochronology？ Or you are simply not in the subject？ Now, if a person, not in the subject, crawls into a tank or tries to shoot from a grenade launcher, tell him something？ And where do you climb？ I know there are a lot of different people （smart and not very） who repeat like parrots: history is not science, history is not science, history is not science ......: but let me ask you, what is history and what is science？

[Operator]

Quote: didra

let me ask you

I will not allow it - continue to climb your wall.

[didra]

As you wish, but this is a recognition of your wrong. In essence, you cannot answer.

[Operator]

Rude is not necessary.

[vladcub]

"having tied a rope by his testicles, and the other end to a goat" he is some kind of masochist. And does not he feel sorry for his "bells"?

[Radical]

Well, for example, when in the fifth grade we studied the history of Ancient Egypt, we were told about some beast-headed gods and the first myths about the creation of the world. But they didn’t tell us, and this is not even in the textbook, that among the Egyptian gods there was such a god - Atum. This god was bisexual and held his “female part” in his hand. He created the world by pouring his seed into his own mouth, and then spitting out the cat goddess Tefnut and her husband Shu. According to the Egyptians, this is how the Universe appeared.

Yes-ah, how can you not remember the anecdote about Vovochka, who burst into the classroom shouting - "You are sitting here, and you don't know what turns out ................. ........... is called! "So we - lived, lived, and it won’t be so great! But it is curious - the Guarantor is aware of this Atum ....

[ser56]

What nonsense! For many years, historians have adapted the picture of the world to ideological attitudes, but the people who have ceased to trust them were to blame ...
"Oh, it is clear that people with poor vocabulary and primitive reading technology" if not a secret - did the author read at least something really serious? For example, according to diff. partial differential equations or integro-dif. equations? Knows what magnetohydrodynamics is? Can he even calculate a beam with one splinted end? Tired of these illiterate type of historians ....
"moreover, printed in reputable publications and necessarily with reviews of the Russian Academy of Sciences or relevant institutes"
what primitive type of thinking ... publish in normal Q1 magazines or do not take?
"Dissertation, candidate and doctoral" is just laughter - qualification works are issued for scientific ... it seems that the author suffers from reverence for scientific degrees ...

[Horon]

For example, on the differential. partial differential equations or integro-differential. equations? Knows what is magnetic hydrodynamics? Yes, even a beam with one flaky end can calculate?

What do you! There the method of "scanning with the eyes" is not acceptable, which means that people who read by another method, according to the author, suffer:

inability to learn and intellectual laziness.

[Radical]

Quote: kalibr

Quote: Alexander Suvorov

complete falsification

Complete falsification, Alexander, is when there are no references to documents. What is presented to your attention is not even links, but photocopies of documents.

Photographs of covers, spines of archival files, and title pages - are these called photocopies of documents?

[kalibr]

And you can’t see their pages? Or are you just looking at the first picture?

[kalibr]

There is no answer, but three minuses. But I just asked, does a person really only see the first picture of archival articles? What double standards, oh.

[hohol95]

and how the Scandinavian god Loki had to make the daughter of the giant Skadi laugh,

You might think that children are also told about how Loki interfered with the construction of a protective wall and turned into a MARE to seduce a horse named Svadilfari. And about the consequences of these horse pleasures!

[sleeve]

There was an interesting concept for teaching history regarding “skewness”. Theoretically, the historical line in a simplified form can be outlined in a couple of years. From fifth to sixth. The fourth traditionally describes the history of the fatherland. Of course, the general history contains references to the 4th grade course. But then from 7 to 11 there is a course of two subjects: historical sociology and historical cultural studies. So they make the historical picture both deep and detailed. Moreover, one of the program options involved age-specific presentation of information. Those. you will teach the Napoleonic Wars in grades 7-8, and the Decembrists and the great French Revolution in nuances in grades 10 or 11.

[Natalia Bogomolova]

This is an interesting and specific approach. Only the names of the subjects are dry - they will simply cause tension among students.

[sleeve]

Draft concept. Working titles.

[vladcub]

Quote: fk7777777

And we must take the word that this was done by uneducated ashat and mage walking in their skins (by the way, what kind of skin dressing should be so that a person does not infect himself with intense wear?), And did this with a stick left from his ancestors monkeys? Well nonsense ...

Naturally the Martians did this

[akunin]

Isis, having learned what kind of misfortune had happened to her son, asked him to fill the pot with his sperm and poured it into Setu's salad. He, suspecting nothing, ate the salad and became pregnant. So Horus managed to retain his throne. Very funny story, isn't it?

is this about the beginning of the Arab spring?

how the Romans worshiped the winged phallus

The Greeks still have the phallus, the Romans, if I’m not mistaken, the Curtians.

[Pavel57]

Is history really a science?

[Jager]

Horses and people mixed together... You can essentially leave two paragraphs from the entire article...

[Astra wild]

Vyacheslav Olegovich, you criticize the history textbook for the 5th grade because there is no description of the phallus and so on. Have you compared the textbook for grades 5-6, but the pre-revolutionary one? I doubt that the act of sexual conception is described there.

[bubalik]

pre-revolutionary

,,then there were other problems

[fk7777777]

Eh, this is after the counter-revolutionary, unfortunately.

[kalibr]

Quote: Astra wild

You criticize the history textbook for the 5th grade because there is no description of the phallus and so on.

Who told you this? Where is it? The article says that, for obvious reasons, everything that is written about should NOT be given to children. Much is not allowed. But this is how a set of facts unknown to man develops, not only in relation to the phallus, of course. And when he finds out as an adult... about something that he didn’t know, that wasn’t explained to him... he screams: it’s a catch, a deception. All this is in the article, Astra.

[kalibr]

Quote: Astra wild

Vyacheslav Olegovich, you criticize the history textbook for the 5th grade because there is no description of the phallus and so on.

And where did I scold him? Astra, I thought you were reading more carefully...

[faterdom]

Quote: Caretaker

Quote: faterdom

History is an interesting science. Only 95% do not need it in practice, and 60% is simply not interesting, as such.

You probably meant history as a science, although in this case too I would not say so categorically. Knowledge of the sequence of events, their relationship between themselves and natural phenomena, combined with a knowledge of geography, has practical value for each person.

You will be surprised, but for many, “Let’s Get Married” and “Dom-2” are enough to be “in trend.” And they exist in a society where this is really enough to be considered an erudite and a pleasant person.

[bubalik]

,,, Ellochka the cannibal’s vocabulary consisted of only 30 words, but with them she could express almost any of her thoughts

[wooja]

the author is lost in his own thoughts ... and contradicts himself. The fact that history is one of the most important parts of ideology and politics already makes it partially closed and deceitful and cannot be otherwise, but about the "scanty" history - I agree, to tell children about cosmogony and ancient Egypt in the 5th grade- - nonsense ..., but it is necessary to tell ..., and the fact that 80% will not understand is also a fact, but to prohibit amateur performances like Fomenko is stupid ... very often amateurs pose very serious and very uncomfortable questions and force of readers to think ..., and some of them actually study the subject ..., of course, facts are an important thing - but the interpretation of facts is an even more important thing ...

[Freeman]

Let us also recall the explanation, found again in textbooks, that Bobrok Volynets did not enter the battle on the Kulikovo field because he... was waiting for the south wind. And then the south wind blew, blew dust into the eyes of the Tatars, and then he led them into the attack.

Quote: Sanya Terek

And refer to the book by A.V. Mityaev's "Winds of the Kulikovo Field" (genre - children's prose)? You can just as well refer to Russian folk tales.

Therefore, you should trust only “epics” performed by “singer-storytellers”.
Moreover, those of them who were “witnesses” of the events.

Here is an epic about the Battle of Kulikovo Field.

[Mwg]

Bravo author! As always, he diverted the topic of discussing real events of the past to chattering about narrow-minded men who can’t read (why, they move their lips when they read), and a discussion of phalluses and stories on the topic “what grandma said to grandpa in an intimate moment.”
As they say, the main thing is not the result, but participation))))))))))))))))))))

[Natalia Bogomolova]

yeah... the most severe falsifications and omissions: the structural features of the genital organs of the ancient gods, the tradition of gods inseminating each other (the enemy of the enemy) and who shitted on whom were not analyzed in detail. Without this, knowledge of history is incomplete. I would like to see a thematic plan for teaching history to children of all ages. Taking into account the ability to perceive educational material by year of life, and the fact that by the age of 9-10 the basic points of historical knowledge (only a few, but the main ones) have already been formed. Children do not live spherically and in a vacuum - they pick up knowledge where it is necessary and not necessary. And at the age of 13-14, a revision of the learned material begins and (what a surprise for some!) physiological sexuality rapidly develops. So what should you tell your children and when? Or let them read the primary sources, the Rosetta Stone or Egyptian writings?

[Horon]

And only when the text is scanned with the eyes (“speed reading”), the text is absorbed by 80-90%.

Damn!!! Author, the text is not absorbed, but only remembered without analysis! Analysis requires THOUGHT reading! Thank you! I read the rest of the text using the “eye scanning” method - nonsense!

Although in fact the reason here is different, namely the inability to learn on one’s own and intellectual laziness.

Try to write something again, but thoughtfully, so as not to suffer from “intellectual laziness.”

[vladcub]

Quote: Barmaleyka

Quote: kalibr

first, Vladimir, I got this information in 2000. I was surprised, but immediately inserted into the text of an article in one of the Penza newspapers, because then it was on everyone’s ears. And since I then wrote mainly to local newspapers, I did not need links. So now I will not give links, alas. Too long ...

Q.E.D.
the question is closed

I’m not going to defend V.O., he is “already a grown boy” and should be able to answer for his actions, but in fairness: “I also met something similar in the 90s. Unlike V.O., I remember where I read - small newspaper "Lightning", he specialized in reprinting various short information: predictions of Nostardamus, Yeti among us, etc.

[Aviator_]

a small newspaper "Molniya", he specialized in reprinting various short information: predictions of Nostardamus, Yeti among us, etc.

I also remember the newspaper "Molniya", where V.I. was the editor-in-chief. Anpilov. This was a left-wing political newspaper, the organ of the Anpilov party RKRPB. There were no “Nostradamus” there, but here is a photo of one of the warriors who in October shot at the Armed Forces from a tank, and then was caught during the unsuccessful capture of Grozny in the autumn, and was shown as a prisoner by Dudayev, that was it.

[vladcub]

We're probably talking about different newspapers? I remember Anpilov well. He had a clear position and although I am far from a fan of the communists, I respected his position.
G.A.. knows how to speak beautifully and puff out his cheeks, but he is satisfied with the current system. Anpilov tried to fight this system

[Aviator_]

So I was surprised by the name of the newspaper you mentioned, because “Molniya” was owned by Anpilov, it did not spread any occult nonsense. Are identical names allowed when registering printed publications? You probably have a mistake in the name of the newspaper, some kind of “White Lightning”, or something like that.

[vladcub]

It seems the name was two words, but we simply said: “Molniya”, like: “Evenings”, “Komsomolskaya Pravda”, etc.

[Aviator_]

Well, Anpilov had nothing to do with it, he had a small-format newspaper, Molniya.

[Dart]

I didn’t like the article... and it’s not an article, but just the author’s thoughts out loud... and it wasn’t necessary to choose as examples the members and treasured stories of ancient myths, there is plenty of other material to present, and there’s just a certain fixation of the author.. .how many years already, uncle!

[kalibr]

Vadim! For 1267 materials there is one such article, what kind of obsession are you talking about? But if, as you think, there is plenty of other material to present, then try to make your own material about it. It will be very interesting. Opinion of another author on the same topic. The volume is about 8000 characters with spaces.

[fk7777777]

Soooo, that means the author started with the Egyptian priesthood (only he’s trying to lie again, either out of his mind, or out of naivety), and then about the global historical process, please. And there is no need to make physical and mental disabilities look like gods. Well, really, with a 3-meter penis, the dude, and even suffering from phimosis, looks like a disabled person at least.

[Operator]

Quote: kalibr

You're on point

[poquello]

from tryndets,

how the Romans worshiped the winged phallus

“Gentlemen! I want to refute the rumors about the appearance of a flying waffle in the city. Shoo, shoo, shaggy one!”

[vch62388]

I apologize, I didn’t understand what the problem with the south wind on Kulikovo Field was. Russians in the north, Tatars from the south, the wind blows in the compass, in the Tatars' faces. Everything is logical.

[vel1163]

The whole distortion of history, according to the author, is that inappropriate jokes are not told at school.

[Evgeniy-111]

It is completely incomprehensible how, with such a terrible presentation of history in school textbooks, Soviet education was considered the best in the world! Not even according to Soviet sources!

[icelord]

exclusively according to Soviet

[Essex62]

Quote: kalibr

And you know, I would also prefer to stay in the USSR, but... you can’t stay in something that has collapsed. And we need to find out why it fell apart so that it doesn’t happen again. Because we will not tolerate another collapse like this.

And that’s why it fell apart, because a lot of people like you “taught” the history of the CPSU. Indigestible chewing gum, under which they fell asleep or silently swore at you and the same political officers who did not believe and did not understand the subject. To convey the essence, to explain why the world of socialism is the only opportunity for a working person to self-realize and feel like a human being. Why is it necessary to tirelessly identify and mercilessly eliminate attempts at money-grubbing and reformatting of the people of the USSR under the principles of profiteering. Not just to be boring, but to clearly explain what will happen to these people when the greedy, unprincipled, inhumane come. Reasoned, with examples. Answering uncomfortable, difficult questions. After all, you had all the information back then, but you couldn’t or didn’t want to convey it. At the most necessary moment, there were a handful of politically savvy people who stood up for defense, understanding where everything was going. Naturally, we were unable to stop the coup from above, with the complete indifference of the Soviet people who slept through your lectures.

[kalibr]

Quote: Essex62

Quote: kalibr

And you know, I would also prefer to stay in the USSR, but... you can’t stay in something that has collapsed. And we need to find out why it fell apart so that it doesn’t happen again. Because we will not tolerate another collapse like this.

And that’s why it fell apart, because a lot of people like you “taught” the history of the CPSU. Indigestible chewing gum, under which they fell asleep or silently swore at you and the same political officers who did not believe and did not understand the subject. To convey the essence, to explain why the world of socialism is the only opportunity for a working person to self-realize and feel like a human being. Why is it necessary to tirelessly identify and mercilessly eliminate attempts at money-grubbing and reformatting of the people of the USSR under the principles of profiteering. Not just to be boring, but to clearly explain what will happen to these people when the greedy, unprincipled, inhumane come. Reasoned, with examples. Answering uncomfortable, difficult questions. After all, you had all the information back then, but you couldn’t or didn’t want to convey it. At the most necessary moment, there were a handful of politically savvy people who stood up for defense, understanding where everything was going. Naturally, we were unable to stop the coup from above, with the complete indifference of the Soviet people who slept through your lectures.

Alexander, how strange you are. Have you ever met such bad political officers? It’s sad... But you see that I write clearly, it’s interesting... why doesn’t it occur to you that I tell it even better? Moreover, since it is difficult to lie on the Internet - there will always be someone who knows you personally or studied with you, then I can tell you that this is exactly how I taught this subject. Just as you would like! My students didn’t sleep! They still come up to me... “And I learned from you!” Including those who studied from 1982 to 91... But still, it didn’t help!

[Essex62]

You, precisely you, allowed the idea to be blurted out and the breakthrough of selfish psychology into society. Time has shown the worthlessness and unnecessaryness of your profession. Yes, it’s difficult, maybe even impossible, to erase petty psychology from a person. Having barely realized himself, the child snares the toy towards himself - mine. Then what did your brother’s huge army do for not bad salaries? Why did the generations of the early 20th century succeed (with reservations) in forming a new person, but you were unable to maintain and consolidate what you had achieved? The soil was much more fertile than in 1917+. But because you yourself didn’t believe it and the bourgeois rust was eating away at you.
Yes, this is understandable from the current change of shoes in a jump.

[AKS-U]

Anti-Soviet and Vlasovist, lover of revision of history.
25 May 2017
Taken here - http://penzadays.ru/person.php?id=999

[UA3QHP]

Quote: AKS-U

Anti-Soviet and Vlasovist

Why Vlasov?

[kalibr]

Quote: Ua3qhp

Why Vlasov?

Because, Sergey, idiots are not sown or blown - they will be born on their own. And in large quantities!

[Sfurei]

Strange article, what is its message?
The fact is that if a person moves his lips while reading, “this is a person with a poor vocabulary and primitive...”. I don’t recommend reading in front of a mirror, in case you notice your lips moving at an interesting moment in the book... ;-)
Is it strange that children in the 5th grade are not taught the biography of Caligula in all its details, as well as nuclear physics right away??
The fact is that military battles in textbooks are not fully described correctly. Including 500 thousand hordes in Batu's invasion? The Kulikovo field is not described correctly (although there is a version that it has not yet been found..)?
Is it that people are more attracted to scandals and the price of bread tomorrow than to ancient Roman prose?
The only true statement is that an in-depth study of a particular issue (not only history, but also mathematics, physics, aircraft engineering, military history, etc.) requires a separate immersion in this area. But you didn’t invent the scooter here.

[fk7777777]

So, from everything the author said above, I understood one thing: the descendants of the monkeys did something there, adopted religion, then the Mongol-Moldavians came and founded Estonia and Washington. Then the Russians rebuilt Egypt, and Genghis Khan did not become president because...

[Kelwin]

Historical science versus pseudoscience. Not so long ago, on the pages of VO, a discussion on pseudo-historical topics flared up again and accusations were again heard that malicious historians had conspired and were hiding from poor Russian citizens some “secrets and mysteries” of history that were extremely important to them.

Another attempt to “coat off” well-established liars, using a typical technique for this fraternity - substitution of concepts and translation of arrows. What is this “historical science”? This is not a science - history is a set of inventions picked out of the nose, elevated to the rank of axioms with an indisputably smart look, drummed into the heads of students, and when convenient, citizens. And there is no need to distort the meaning of claims to your “historical science” - you cannot hide any important secrets - you simply don’t know them, and citizens don’t care about your Egyptian theories, don’t flatter yourself. You, gentlemen, liars, are presented with a concealment of the true state of affairs, namely the scale of your ignorance and the global fallacy of academic history, as well as a deliberate and malicious concealment of these facts for the sake of your cushy armchairs. You receive professorial salaries and good things, eat up budget money, while filling the heads of students with garbage, taking away their invaluable time for learning truly useful knowledge. It was precisely this, and not some “secrets and mysteries of historical science”, that made you feel the difference between criminality and pompous chatter? Otherwise, they study poorly, you see... uh-huh, again the translation of the arrows - sane people do not study poorly, they just know that history is completely nonsense, this is not the XNUMXth century, you can’t easily rub your glasses in by pointing at dusty authorities. Therefore, either get down to business and fix your shop, or you will soon hear such speeches on every corner and, as a result, the Internet will send you to the well-deserved dustbin of history. And some, I hope, are on the bunk.

[kalibr]

Quote: KelWin

Therefore, either get down to business and fix your shop, or you will soon hear such speeches on every corner and, as a result, the Internet will send you to the well-deserved dustbin of history. And some, I hope, are on the bunk.

A completely stupid comment. But... I'm glad that there are such people. The main thing is that there are a lot of them.

[Kelwin]

Quote: kalibr

A completely stupid comment. But... I'm glad that there are such people. The main thing is that there are a lot of them.

Yes, this is understandable, but in essence there is something to say, or is the habit of blurting out the essence of the issue invincible?

[kalibr]

But there is no substance, so there is nothing to talk about.

[Kelwin]

There is a point, there is. Only you are stubbornly trying to disguise it from your readers. And I wrote my comment not for you, but just for the readers - to balance, so to speak, this message of yours:

If you, even without a special education, are interested in something in the same historical field, then you need to start with the simplest thing, that is, take it and simply consistently accumulate information. Start self-education not by reading “revelatory books” with bright covers, but by reading the historiography of any issue

This quote contains everything - a lie about the presence of certain “primary sources”, which were declared as such by someone “authoritative”, and advice to waste your time and nerves on stuffing this garbage into your head, and, of course, it is implied that this way of knowledge is the only correct one , because “authoritative experts” said so and the uneducated are not supposed to argue. About the fact that in these “revelatory books” all this historical “science” was rolled into a pancake by asking extremely inconvenient questions, for some reason you remain silent like a fish. Why is this so?)
So, about the point. You are pouring water and phalluses into the mill of liars and scammers (yes, don’t forget about the financial part), and I tell our common readers what I think about this - that you are biased and are making excuses for this rottenness. This is the essence.

[kalibr]

Quote: KelWin

So, about the point. You are pouring water and phalluses into the mill of liars and scammers (yes, don’t forget about the financial part), and I tell our common readers what I think about this - that you are biased and are making excuses for this rottenness. This is the essence.

I've seen such wrestlers. But their opinion alone is worthless. A dog that howls at the moon arouses more interest in people! This has been verified. But most importantly, such wrestlers do not know basic things. Just look at how many thousands have marked themselves with their clicks and hundreds with their comments. That's the only thing that matters!

[Kelwin]

You know, thousands showed up behind the bushes, so what? This is not an indicator. You keep going off topic. What do you have there and who has “checked it”? Another manipulation. I think it’s worth ending this conversation, people have enough information to decide who is who here. Be healthy.

[kalibr]

Quote: KelWin

You know, thousands showed up behind the bushes, so what? This is not an indicator.

Pissing behind the bushes and reading material with beautiful pictures are two different things. But since you don’t understand this, then it’s good. Remember the song of the Cat and the Fox from the film Pinocchio and also... be healthy both physically and spiritually.

[Kelwin]

But most importantly, such wrestlers do not know basic things

You know, the results of my work are used by tens of thousands of people, and I I answered and still answer for everything that I designed and installed in real life. The result of my activities is quite material. And your activities are senseless chatter, you (not you personally, but your entire “scientific” sect) are passing off as something necessary and significant a set of tales you invented, which has stuck with no one anywhere, and, to be honest, has no practical significance at all . Accordingly, you are simply parasites.

[kalibr]

Mount further! Plumbers and junior scavenger haulers are also in great demand!

[Kelwin]

When boiling water comes from the riser, or, more fragrantly, from the drains, try putting on a patch... You can’t insert the plug into the socket properly, but you throw fluff on yourself, the creator himself will wipe it off) Without us, engineers, you will get lice among your dusty fairy tales.

[kalibr]

Quote: KelWin

Without us, engineers, you will get lice among your dusty fairy tales.

Without any doubt. And someone else has to rake the cows and pigs out from under them. Also very important work!

[Kelwin]

Agree. And wrap long tongues around a skinny neck....

[Silhouette]

The author himself did not understand the subject. Confuses history with mythology. In elementary school they teach a short history, not an interesting one. So they are trying to dilute it with mythology. So that it would be more interesting. And Shpakovsky wants to saturate her with “adult details.” And he also illustrated which ones. Well done!

[kalibr]

Quote: Silhouette

And Shpakovsky wants to saturate her with “adult details.”

Does the article contain “wants”? Why are you reading everything so inattentively?

[Ethnarchist]

Study history from mythology, so that’s where pseudo-historians come from)! The question to the author, isn’t there a lot of phallic symbols for one article, doesn’t dazzle the eyes....

[kalibr]

Quote: Ethnarchist

The question to the author, isn’t there a lot of phallic symbols for one article, doesn’t dazzle the eyes....

Imagine, no. And you are so modest, right?

[fk7777777]

What does the author say for historians?... Is the author an Orthodox Jew? Does he teach history from films that are not entirely clear, such as patriotic or not? The gypsy in the photo at the beginning of the article is in golden armor, how much does this junk weigh? After all, he can only do it while standing, because his lower back is not made of iron.

[icelord]

Uh... are you serious? You can’t write such nonsense seriously. However, quarantine, schoolchildren are bored

[Ham]

“wrong” history is usually told by people who have nothing to do with historical science

[kalibr]

Quote: Ham

“wrong” history is usually told by people who have nothing to do with historical science

This is the most amazing thing!

[Ham]

There’s nothing surprising...science is not bullshit with REN-TV...
science does not allow double interpretations and recognizes only real evidence

[kalibr]

Quote: Ham

science does not allow double interpretations and recognizes only real evidence

Totally in favor!

[dokusib]

There is no need to insult C students. Some good people are much worse. Most of the C students (I’m not saying that all of them, and not even half, but a quite noticeable part) will perfectly master the material with a personal approach. The excellent and good students were simply cramming for the most part. We read it, remembered it during the test, rattled it off and that’s it. There was one excellent student in our class, a golden boy, so he would remember everything the first time, and then again
He began to ask questions on the topic such that the teachers suggested that he look for the answers himself and tell everyone at the next lesson. So our whole class tried to emulate him. Everyone understood perfectly well that the textbook was just the bare minimum. And those C students I’m talking about, they just need time and the opportunity to chew it over in their heads themselves.

[ee2100]

An ambulance has been called for you. Who will come to the call, a C student or a doctor who graduated from a university with honors?

[swyatoslav]

It seems that the author revels in his intelligence, style of presentation and, standing on his fictional pedestal, looks contemptuously at those who do not fit into his system of views. Then, looking over his shoulder at his enthusiastic admirers, he drops: “Well, did you see how I washed them?”
I probably won’t continue, maybe he just wrote it the way he could...

[E_V_N]

when for some reason it was decided that people without university degrees were quite capable of creating a more perfect society than the one run by graduates of Oxford and Yale. And they even succeeded. Only later, however, they outplayed these “comrades”. But the conviction that deep knowledge in the humanities is, by and large, not really needed remains. And this is not true!

It is a rather controversial claim that a university degree from Oxford and Yale guarantees superior mental abilities and encyclopedic knowledge. In history and life there are many examples of both brilliant “dropouts” and certified “dumb people”. You shouldn’t have spoiled the impression of the article with such an ambiguous statement.
Well, and secondly, you, as a historian, were outplayed not by these “comrades”, but by their pampered and snickering heirs. And the “comrades” just happened to do something. You need to be more precise in your statements.
Have you noticed that apart from the “comrades” of the first wave, none of the heirs left any theoretical works. We will not take seriously Brezhnev’s “virgin lands” and “small land”, and Gorbachev’s memoirs for theoretical works on the development of socialism.
By the way, here is another example for you that higher education and theoretical knowledge do not guarantee the success of public administration. In the 90s, a mass of holders of diplomas and academic degrees broke into power. From Gaidar, Sobchak, to Chubais. You yourself saw what came of it.

[kalibr]

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In the 90s, a mass of holders of diplomas and academic degrees broke into power.

Why didn’t Gus Hall and others like him break through to power in the States, and there were no Socialist States there, both in England and in France... no matter how much money we gave to their Communist Party, it was all in vain!

[icelord]

Well, why does the American farmer need this? They are simple, of course, but they know how to calculate their benefits.

[icelord]

In general, there, especially in the west, there are very strong and sensible people. Unfortunately in the east it is worse, and much more

[ee2100]

A number of articles have recently appeared on this subsite with the goal, in my opinion, of showing “who’s boss.” These articles provoked controversy in the comments, and indeed the comments were often more interesting than the articles themselves. The latest article entitled “What historians don’t say?” is noteworthy. The meaning of the article1. You can’t tell everything within the school curriculum.2, Why talk about all sorts of phallus cults, etc. 3 Ignorants go to school to work as history teachers, which means they are in demand. I’ll leave everything else in the article to the conscience, I hope, of the author. That's probably all. But the author himself outlined the topic of the article: “What is not being said?” And that means what they are silent about. There is zero information about this. And this is one of the main “complaints” against prohistorians, this is exactly what I would like to hear about, as well as about the one-sided interpretation of events. For prohistorians, it has always been extremely clear that “he who pays calls the tune.” Step to the side and you are no longer included and a label is attached to you. The most harmless “liberal.” A group of professional historians and like-minded people with a “classical” understanding of history formed on the subsite. This group initiates these articles. Anyone who disagrees with the opinion of this group is immediately labeled as ignoramuses, alternativeists, followers of Fomenko, etc. In their deep conviction, a historian or a member of their group (circle) can talk about history. Everyone else is denied the right to express their own opinions. If someone dares to “incorrectly” comment on the “guru,” the members of the circle unanimously attack the name, accusing him of “all sins” in a derogatory form, where the most offensive thing is “go learn the materiel.”
And vice versa. If a member of a circle of historians writes an article, it doesn’t matter what it’s about, the members of the circle unanimously praise the “writer” in every possible way. Such licking or naked flattery, to me personally, is extremely unpleasant. This is probably how it is accepted in scientific and historical circles. Several years ago the site had many diverse historical articles. I always read about the history of Rus' with pleasure and looked forward to new publications. I remember a series of articles about Prince Yaroslav Vsevolodovich, an article about the symbiosis of the Varangians (Vikings) and Slavs, etc. Now there are practically no interesting articles on the history of Rus'. I think this is the fruit of the creativity of the "mug". I wondered, “why do professional historians act and behave this way?” It seems that everything should be the other way around - fresh thoughts, a new (different) reading of the facts, a different interpretation of them, new methods that allow us to look at historical processes differently, logic, common sense, etc. But no. Professional historians, as a rule, teach history according to programs approved by “someone,” and exams are taken according to the same programs. And if a historical guru, God forbid, agrees with some, even a controversial statement. For example, what is the meaning of the so-called The Battle of the Ice, I would say modestly, is exaggerated. How will the professional environment perceive him after this, and what will students say in exams? The passage about dissertations is also all from there. What dissertation candidate will write something contrary to the opinion of his supervisor? Nonsense. And also scientific advice! Yes, a dissertation is a document on which money will subsequently be paid. The point of the article boils down to the following - all of you who are not in the “circle”, at best, know history at 5 within the school curriculum and your position on this subsite is corresponding. So, carefully read what the professionals write to you.
The VO website is very good, there is a lot of analytics and information in general. The historical part of it, I hope, should remain a platform not only for one-sided coverage of the past, but also a place where everyone could express their point of view, not like now, where everything comes down to mutual insults. Let professionals express the “classical” opinion, but someone has their own, but the main thing is that there is dialogue.
Regards, idealist.

[kalibr]

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but the main thing is that there is dialogue.

And he goes, and constantly!

[Andrey Krasnoyarsky]

Her objection2100: 1) It is not ignoramuses who go to school as historians, but people who graduated from the history department of a university, that is, who have received a higher specialized education, and not those who studied on Internet forums. 2) “Everyone who dares to comment incorrectly is accused...” In fact, any personal opinion must be somehow reasoned, but if it is drawn up according to the principle “everyone around is stupid, I’m the only smart one,” objections are inevitable. 3) “Historians teach history according to programs approved by someone... Have you read at least one such program? I have my own program, and the Federal Standard only regulates the amount of hours and gives a list of sections, but does not require that history be interpreted one way and not another 4) You imagine historical science as a certain set of absolute truths, invented by some mysterious gurus. In fact, this is not so. For every controversial issue in history (and there are a huge number of them), there are different points of view. If a student in an exam says that about Battle on the Ice, there are different points of view, if he can bring them up, and also voice the arguments for each of the concepts, he will get an “excellent.” There is such a branch of historical science called “Historiography”, its subject precisely includes the study of different interpretations, theories and methodologies .

[Andrey Krasnoyarsky]

There are several mantras that ignoramuses and half-knowledgeable people in the field of history like to use on the Internet (not only here, but everywhere): “Historians are hiding from us...” “official historians are lying that...”, “history is not a science, and a collection of myths..." Usually this is followed by a "stunning" discovery such as the fact that the Egyptian pyramids were built by aliens, that in the 19th century there was an explosion of an atomic bomb, that there was no war of 1812, but there was a joint suppression of peasant uprisings by Napoleon and Alexander and similar wild and wildest nonsense. Unknown to the whistleblowers of history, if a professional historian discovers any fact previously unknown to science and can confirm it with sources, he will not hide it, on the contrary, he will try to publish it as quickly as possible, because this means fame, honor, publications and maybe a new academic degree. It is not known that no official historians exist in nature, but there are academic historians who have received a special historical education and have written scientific works recognized by other scientists and specialists. The phrase that historians write what the authorities say is also touching. In fact, it's usually the other way around. Among the rulers of Russia/USSR/Russian Federation there was not and is not a single professional historian; what kind of history could they demand or write themselves? It’s just that at different times the government chooses from various historical theories and concepts the one that most closely matches the ideology and policy of this government. The maximum that the authorities can do is dictate the most relevant topics. For example, in the USSR, works on the history of the CPSU, the history of popular uprisings, the revolutionary movement, and the study of the successes of socialism were encouraged. But even then, historical science did not focus only on these topics. So history as a science is not a collection of myths, and myths are usually the ideas of folk historians and “subverters.” By the way, the term “mythology of history” is often misunderstood. In fact, this is not a lie or falsification in the literal sense, but an idea of ​​history and an interpretation of events that corresponds not to reality, but to some ideal image. In other words, this is not the story that was, but the one that should be in the opinion of the myth-builder.

[UA3QHP]

“The debunkers of history are unaware that if a professional historian discovers any fact previously unknown to science and can confirm it with sources, he will not hide it, on the contrary, he will try to publish it quickly, because this means fame, honor, publications and maybe a new academic degree.”
I wonder if a historian in the USSR (thirties and forties) who had unearthed some nasty stuff about Lenin would immediately run to publish it? Maybe they'll give me a new degree?
Especially the monument to Kolchak confirms this.

[Andrey Krasnoyarsky]

In Soviet times, many things were not allowed to be published (and not only about Lenin), but now everything is possible. As for classified materials, the historian simply will not receive them, they will not be given out in the archive.