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CAR 816: Sultan among rifles

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Arab special forces soldiers with rifles CAR 816


“Give me a deal,” I said, “for I am a renegade among my kind, and my sword is wet from the blood of my cousin.”
R. Kipling. Kim


Weapon and firms. Just appeared on the pages of "VO" carbine material CAR 816which caused numerous comments. Therefore, it is not surprising that today we will continue such an interesting topic. However, we will start not so much with weapons as with stories India in general.

This country is very rich. No wonder it was called the pearl of the British crown. But at the same time, it is a very poor country, where 75% of the population still does not pay taxes. And this is a lot. According to data from October 2019, 1,3 billion people lived in India, one sixth of the world's population. On the other hand, India has managed to create its own nuclear weapons and it has very complicated relations with its neighbors: Pakistan and China. Therefore, India has a large army, which its government is constantly trying to provide with modern weapons.

The British, when they owned India, very skillfully used the knowledge of its culture and customs in their interests. For example, during the famous sepoy uprising, many Indians remained faithful to the English sahibs and fought fiercely for their interests, shedding their brothers' blood without a twinge of conscience. The situation with weapons is the same as in the distant past: a lot is bought not because it is better or cheaper, but according to the principle “you to me, I to you”, that is, “respect” is given to the right people, appropriate “gifts are given "- here practically nothing has changed since the time of R. Kipling’s novel" Kim ". Bribery in India has been the norm since the days of British rule: after serving 25 years in Delhi, British sergeants returned home to England as millionaires. True, now they are actively fighting this evil in the country. However, what is more important? Process or result? At “VO” this issue was also considered, for example, in the material “More on corruption in Indian arms deals” dated April 1, 2014), however, be that as it may, in fact, the very high price for the Karakal assault rifles cannot but alarm. But what this weapon is all about, we’ll just tell you today.

CAR 816: Sultan among rifles
That's how they design these rifles today!

To begin with, Caracal International, with its headquarters in Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates, is a regional leader in the production of small arms. “We produce high-quality new-generation firearms on the most modern machines,” the company’s brochure says, “using some of the best CNC machines in the world, quality control equipment and casting technology for metal and plastic parts. Each stage of our production process guarantees high quality and that all our products comply with strict international standards such as NATO. ”


Caracal International produces not only rifles, but also pistols and many more other weapons ...

At the same time, the company is in constant creative search. According to the estate of its managers, this is the only way to succeed in the modern arms business. Clients are changing, requirements are changing, technologies are changing.


CAR 816 with additional handle under the forend

“We are constantly improving our weapons so that they are in constant compliance with the changing requirements of our customers. As a result, our products allow those who are on the line of fire to have the firepower corresponding to their needs, which they need for the success of any operations they conceived. ”


CAR 816 with a barrel length of 267 mm and in the color "bronze"

The CAR 816 rifle, also called the Caracal Sultan or simply Sultan, is an automatic 5,56 × 45 NATO assault rifle. The name "Sultan" was given to her in memory of the colonel of the United Arab Emirates, Sultan Mohammed Ali al-Kitby, who died in battle during a Saudi intervention in Yemen.


CAR 816 with silencer

The CAR 816 rifle, like many modern weapon systems, is also collected from a pine forest, that is, you can find in it “a Russian hat, and Japanese boots, and American socks and tight Spanish trousers” - everything is like in a song from the Indian movie “ Mr. 420. "


Adcor Defense BEAR Elite Tactical Carbine

After the American "arches" (AR) have spread across the planet, they probably aren’t let out except by the most lazy gunsmith. Often they are only an emblem on the receiver of the store from the base AR-15 and are different! Well, someone will put a different form of a cover on the sleeve removal hole, someone will think of making recesses under the fingers on the same store receiver or expanding his neck, as the Arabs did on CAR 816, but, in principle, some special there are very few differences from the “arch”. Well, except that the direct exhaust gas is replaced by a piston mechanism.

It contains the features of the Adcor Defense BEAR Elite Tactical Carbine, Barret REC7, Colt CM901 rifles, and, of course, many design solutions taken from the German Heckler & Koch HK416 rifle. Which is also not surprising at all, by the way, since the main developers of the CAR 816 were Robert Hirt and Chris Sirua. Moreover, the former was instrumental in the development of the HK416, and then was hired by SIG Sauer to work with SIG engineer Chris Sirois on an improved version of the HK416 - the SIG Sauer SIG516 rifle. Hirta and Sirua were then invited by Caracal to design a rifle superior to both the HK416 and the SIG516. So they went from rifle to rifle and eventually made the model "816", which immediately entered service with the army of the United Arab Emirates.


CAR 814

The CAR 816 had a predecessor, CAR 814, which was produced with three types of barrels in length: a compact assault rifle with a barrel length of 267 mm, a carbine with a barrel length of 368 mm, and finally, an assault rifle with a barrel of 406 mm. Three types of fire: single, "automatic", "semi-automatic". Light weight - 3,05 kg without a magazine. Externally, the rifle is very similar to the American M4, but in fact it is its analogue.


CAR 816 with disk magazine

Well, CAR 816 was first shown to representatives of the Ministry of Defense of the Emirates in 2013, and to the general public in 2015, so today it is no longer the most modern type of small arms.


CAR 816 painted in aggressive black

But over it, as already noted, the designers had to work a little more, so it even looks a little different in appearance. But the automation is traditional: a gas piston system with a short stroke. There is an adjustable gas valve with three positions. The first position to work in normal conditions. The second position for adverse conditions, when using low-pulse munitions or when the system is dirty. The third position is designed for normal operation, but with a silencer installed. The rifle is available with barrels of different lengths similar to the previous sample, from very short ones for PDW weapons (personal self-defense weapons) to a carbine with a 406 mm barrel inclusive.


CAR 817DMR

The CAR 817DMR rifle is also available. This is a high-precision semi-automatic sniper rifle, in all respects identical to all other systems that have gas exhaust automation and a rotating shutter. Uses a NATO 7,62x51 mm cartridge (.308 Win). Meals are provided from 10-, 20-, or 25-charge stores.


CAR 817DMR with bipod

The CAR 816 is equipped with a telescopic stock that can be adjusted in length. There are 6 fixed positions. A similar butt stock is used on the Barret REC7 rifle.


REC7 - an automatic rifle of the American company Barrett Firearms, which is an upgrade of the earlier model M468 (in turn, created on the basis of M16). The machine was announced in a competition for a new self-defense weapon for the US Army in 2008


CAR 817DMR2 "bronze"

The rifle has a full-length Picatinny rail, which allows you to install a lot of various accessories on it. Among them are collimator and night vision sights, laser target indicators, tactical lights, handles under the forend, bipod. However, it is unlikely that the Indian side will buy it all. The standard is a complete set of rifles with a set of two removable folding sights. With them, the effective fire range is about 500 meters. The speed of the bullet is 850 m / s, the maximum rate of fire is 750-950 rounds per minute, practical - 40-100.
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  1. Theodore
    Theodore April 3 2020 18: 16 New
    +3
    Here is what can happen by crossing the sewing machine with the collective-farm sheaf binder!
  2. san4es
    san4es April 3 2020 18: 35 New
    +6

    ... hello everyone hi
    1. Catfish
      Catfish April 3 2020 20: 00 New
      +2
      Hi Sasha! Glad to talk to you again. How are you? smile drinks
      1. san4es
        san4es April 4 2020 15: 20 New
        +1
        Kuzmich is healthy hi
        Everything is fine with us: spring, sun ... quarantine crying
    2. V.I.P.
      V.I.P. April 3 2020 20: 52 New
      -8
      Here in the video, the rifle is lowered into sand, mud, water. She shoots single and bursts ... .... And where are the constantly shouting about "no analogues" in the world? Something doesn’t shout that only AK can do this ... Although many rifles can do this for a long time and at the same time their manufacturers do not write nonsense about has no analogues ...
      1. bunta
        bunta April 3 2020 22: 08 New
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        Quote: V.I.P.
        Here in the video, the rifle is lowered into the sand, dirt, water. She shoots singles and bursts ..


        Do you expect that the commercial will show delays, a broken sleeve or a rupture of the receiver after filling the barrel with water with a normal lock, and not when dipping like on a roller?
      2. Interdum_silentium_volo
        Interdum_silentium_volo April 5 2020 23: 23 New
        +1
        The funny thing is that now you are shouting and throwing big words))) Either a parrot or .......
  3. Operator
    Operator April 3 2020 18: 37 New
    +4
    "Caracal" is not a clone of ARs, but of HKs (with a short-stroke side gas engine).
    1. kalibr
      April 3 2020 19: 14 New
      -2
      "It contains the features of the Adcor Defense BEAR Elite Tactical Carbine, Barret REC7, Colt CM901 rifles, and, of course, many design solutions taken from the German Heckler & Koch HK416 rifle.". All this is in the materials of the company, they do not hide it, and they probably know better.
      1. Operator
        Operator April 3 2020 19: 28 New
        +5
        There are "features", but there is a classification of the automation circuit laughing
        1. kalibr
          April 3 2020 19: 45 New
          -3
          But I don’t care. I try to translate as accurately as possible.
      2. Undecim
        Undecim April 3 2020 21: 06 New
        +3
        "It features the Adcor Defense BEAR Elite Tactical Carbine, Barret REC7, Colt CM901 rifles."
        In this case, the remark is absolutely correct.
        With the above samples, "her" is united by only one technical solution, which, by the way, is present in many other samples - the presence of a bolt box.
        With the same success, you can write that by the presence of the trunk, "she" has the features of a three-line.
  4. Free wind
    Free wind April 3 2020 18: 42 New
    +4
    Dr. Watson came from India, but didn’t bring millions, although the doctors were highly respected there, it seems that Mrs. Hudson even stole a carrot. The British just left, the Indians and Muslims grappled. request . Normal weapon. He pretzels his guns and puts on gloves, he also fights with the shaitan virus, but trouble is with masks. I beg your pardon, the store can drum type? Disk of the Degtyarev machine gun. Do not cough everyone. drinks
    1. Talgat 148
      Talgat 148 April 4 2020 05: 06 New
      -1
      There are a lot of stores with a large capacity, both under 5.56 and under 5.45 and other calibers. From 35 to 150 rounds, carob, disc, "eggs" - double disc, screw.
    2. Sahalinets
      Sahalinets April 4 2020 08: 34 New
      +5
      Watson served in Afghanistan.
  5. geologist
    geologist April 3 2020 18: 43 New
    -3
    Instead of butter, margarine, sausages without meat, assault guns instead of rifles.
  6. smaug78
    smaug78 April 3 2020 18: 46 New
    0
    The author, please tell me where to find the "Russian hat"? hi
    1. kalibr
      April 3 2020 19: 07 New
      0
      Boris! Another article was to go first. It had an epigraph - a song from the Indian movie "Mister 420". There are the words "In a Russian hat, big, but with an Indian soul." But there are many articles ... their order was violated, so that it became incomprehensible with the hat. It will be clear when an article about Indian rifles based on Kalashnikov is released: "INSAS: a rifle according to the" 420 principle "
      1. smaug78
        smaug78 April 3 2020 19: 34 New
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        Vyacheslav, why then "about the hat" in this article? I got the impression from these words that the design of "Sultana" has the influence of our design school, so I asked.
        1. kalibr
          April 3 2020 19: 43 New
          -1
          Quote: smaug78
          Vyacheslav, why then "about the hat" in this article? I got the impression from these words that the design of "Sultana" has the influence of our design school, so I asked.

          Construction of "Sultan" from a pine forest. And the hero of the film is dressed in a variety of clothes.
        2. Private-K
          Private-K April 4 2020 12: 58 New
          +1
          Quote: smaug78
          I got the impression from these words that the design of "Sultana" is influenced by our design school

          Absolutely and completely wrong impression.
          Soviet weapons continued the tradition established in the civilized world: to make mass weapons as simple as possible и as cheap as possible in production. This tradition, fully justified by financial and economic criteria, was observed until the 1990s. From this time on, the steel shooter knowingly raise the price already at the design stage and were not worried about reducing the cost of production. (I lie, this phenomenon began to appear in the late 70s - AUG77, L85 - but has not yet become widespread.)
          This Caracal, designed by a German and a Scotsman (an Arab prince in a Burnus for a type of design - buggagashki) in an extremely modern trend: a very expensive weapon made on expensive equipment.
          But in Russia they did the opposite, i.e. - traditionally: they preferred not to raise the price of the AK-12 by simplifying the version adopted for arming. First of all, for the sake of cost reduction.
          1. Antipatr
            Antipatr 7 May 2020 03: 21 New
            0
            Soviet weapons continued the tradition established in the civilized world: to make mass weapons as simple and cheap as possible in production.

            It will take a ride at this stage of evolution. And already on the next it will become an anachronism. This is a reflection of poverty and "simplicity" will imperceptibly turn into primitiveness.
    2. andrewkor
      andrewkor April 3 2020 19: 32 New
      +2
      "... a big Russian hat, but with an Indian soul!"
      Since childhood, remember!
      1. kalibr
        April 3 2020 19: 40 New
        -1
        Quote: andrewkor
        hat

        I know this translation, Andrey !, but it seemed to me that the "hat" sounds better. In the movies, Raj Kapoor is wearing a hat, not a hat!
        1. andrewkor
          andrewkor April 3 2020 19: 43 New
          +3
          I'm not going to argue with you about the "hat-hat", it just smelled like childhood!
          1. kalibr
            April 4 2020 06: 15 New
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            I also really enjoyed Indian films with Raj Kapoor as a child ...
      2. Catfish
        Catfish April 3 2020 19: 58 New
        +1
        Exactly, Andrey! And the verse began: "Look at me, I'm in Japanese boots ... etc." hi
  7. AlexHens
    AlexHens April 3 2020 19: 42 New
    +1
    Dynamic movie. But why is nowhere shown the work of weapons after changing the store?
    1. Catfish
      Catfish April 3 2020 19: 59 New
      +1
      Does it somehow change?
  8. Catfish
    Catfish April 3 2020 20: 01 New
    +2
    Vyacheslav, thanks. hi For a long time I knew the gun for Karakalovsky, but I see the rifle for the first time. smile
  9. smaug78
    smaug78 April 3 2020 20: 01 New
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    Quote: kalibr
    Quote: smaug78
    Vyacheslav, why then "about the hat" in this article? I got the impression from these words that the design of "Sultana" has the influence of our design school, so I asked.

    Construction of "Sultan" from a pine forest. And the hero of the film is dressed in a variety of clothes.

    So where is the Russian influence in the design?
    1. kalibr
      April 3 2020 20: 19 New
      -3
      He's gone! There is a song about a movie hero dressed in Japanese shoes, a Russian hat, and tight Spanish trousers. That is, a direct allusion to the fact that the structure is assembled "from everything at hand." Do you understand this time?
      1. smaug78
        smaug78 April 3 2020 20: 23 New
        +1
        While it’s clear that you are misleading your reader and engaged in verbiage, you can’t answer which words to answer in your own article ...
        1. kalibr
          April 3 2020 20: 48 New
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          Quote: smaug78
          While it’s clear that you are misleading your reader and engaged in verbiage, you can’t answer which words to answer in your own article ...

          And how many do not explain to stupid, they all the same do not pedry a fig!
          1. smaug78
            smaug78 April 4 2020 09: 58 New
            +1
            Everything is clear about the hat))) as well as the fact that you cannot yet confirm your words or agree that you wrote for the sake of a red word and there is no Russian influence, but continue to engage in verbiage hi
        2. kalibr
          April 3 2020 20: 51 New
          -3
          Quote: smaug78
          It’s clear that you’re misleading your reader and engaged in verbiage, since you can’t
          Everything comes to the giraffe slowly, anyway we like the giraffe ...
          which answer to answer ...

          Jammed, huh?
        3. Pavel57
          Pavel57 April 3 2020 23: 30 New
          -1
          Not for everyone, a meme about a Russian hat is understandable.
          1. kalibr
            April 4 2020 06: 14 New
            -3
            Quote: Pavel57
            Not for everyone, a meme about a Russian hat is understandable.

            I noticed. And I would not even be surprised if in the end it turned out that it was incomprehensible to 80% of readers.
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    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U April 3 2020 21: 04 New
      +1
      Bandera and Vlasov are heroes of homosexuals (obscene).
      1. kalibr
        April 3 2020 21: 10 New
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        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Bandera and Vlasov - heroes of homosexuals

        Why interesting? I have never met that they are from such ...
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U April 3 2020 21: 16 New
          +3
          Maybe because one ukronazist and slander of the German Nazis, and another traitor not even the state but his own people, and they can’t be the heroes of more or less decent people? A simple kind of conclusion.
          1. kalibr
            April 4 2020 06: 12 New
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            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            Maybe because one ukronazist and slander of the German Nazis, and another traitor not even the state but his own people, and they can’t be the heroes of more or less decent people? A simple kind of conclusion.

            The conclusion is not true, although simple. Because the connection between homosimy and the heroization of these people is not traced. Judging by the documents, including archival ones, in the USSR even today these people did not sympathize with these people.
            And now about the traitor Vlasov. Yes, his act deserves all censure, especially in comparison with other military men who have fulfilled their duty to the end. But ... by and large, he is only to blame for the fact that he lost! Therefore, I am to blame. If he had won, well, purely hypothetically, no matter how, had become at the head of "renewed Russia", he would have been ... a hero, perspicacious, wise. Well, words would be found to justify him. And here's a real example. Samurai, Prince Ieyasu Tokugawa. Betrayed everyone you can. Broke the most sacred oaths ... But won! And in the end he became the ruler of Japan, and GOD! So betrayal is disgusting only when the traitor loses - hehe!
            1. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U April 4 2020 06: 19 New
              +3
              Quote: kalibr
              But ... by and large it’s only his fault that he lost!
              That is, you do not consider him a traitor.
              Quote: kalibr
              Well, words would have been found to justify him.
              Yes, you have already picked up "words to justify" him. He may not be your "hero", but he understands your sympathy.
              Quote: kalibr
              So betrayal is disgusting only when the traitor loses - hehe!
              Yes, everything has been clear with you for a long time, it’s clear why you became an anti-Soviet, which means Russophobe.
              Quote: kalibr
              Yes, his deed deserves all reprimand

              Because Vlasov made such a censure that he was already hanged, so you hate the Soviets, because you are trying on his skin yourself.
              1. kalibr
                April 4 2020 06: 26 New
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                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U (Vladimir) Today, 06:19
                0
                Quote: kalibr
                But ... by and large it’s only his fault that he lost!
                That is, you do not consider him a traitor.
                Quote: kalibr
                Well, words would have been found to justify him.
                Yes, you have already picked up "words to justify" him. He may not be your "hero", but he understands your sympathy.
                Quote: kalibr
                So betrayal is disgusting only when the traitor loses - hehe!
                Yes, everything is clear with you for a long time.

                Vladimir! Well, you can’t do that. Well, learn to think with your head at least a little. Well, what sympathy can I have for (those) who lost ?. Not the slightest! Once again, especially for you - not the slightest! I just explained, and I see that it’s right, for example, you didn’t know that there is one moment when betrayal can ultimately be regarded positively. This is not what I came up with. This is an objective reality. You cannot be opposed to objective reality.
                1. Vladimir_2U
                  Vladimir_2U April 4 2020 06: 43 New
                  +2
                  Quote: kalibr
                  Well, what sympathy can I have for (those) who lost?
                  Stunned, i.e. if Vlasov won, would you take his side unconditionally? Without even considering it complete submission to the German Nazis? Yes, you are opening up more and more.
                  1. kalibr
                    April 4 2020 06: 52 New
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                    Vladimir! Learn to use what the Lord God put into your head. Just imagine ... If history had gone differently and Vlasov won, there would have been no German Nazis ... There would have been, say, "the liberators of Russia from the yoke of Bolshevism." And he would be ... I don't know ... "The first president of free Russia." Do you not understand the elementary thing that the winners write history and you would know it the way they write it. Am I making it clear? It seems that on VO all the time someone writes that history is written by the winners. Well, here, and try to come up with what they would write in this case. I would not like to think that you are one of those who are said to be "One gyrus and that straight".
                    1. Vladimir_2U
                      Vladimir_2U April 4 2020 07: 10 New
                      +1
                      Quote: kalibr
                      Learn to use what the Lord God has put into your head.
                      Are you again About the foam of the brain to remind you?
                      Quote: kalibr
                      If the story went differently and Vlasov won, there would be no German Nazis
                      How could Vlasov win without German Nazis? Without them, he would have generally pulled the strap in the Red Army and did not blather, why didn’t you put it into your head? What could he have done against the German Nazis, being just a traitor, albeit not militarily mediocre, by what forces?
                      Quote: kalibr
                      It seems that on VO all the time someone writes that winners write history
                      It seems to be in VO that they constantly write about the almost complete support of the Soviet people during the Great War by the people of the USSR, try to read at least something before I cut tasks.
                      Quote: kalibr
                      I would not like to think that you are one of those who are said to be "One gyrus and that straight".
                      Do not make me practice wit about your meanders.
                      1. kalibr
                        April 4 2020 08: 07 New
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                        In the Soviet press, 39 years after the signing of the Pact, all references to German fascism were canceled. This is so, by the way. But what would happen if the Germans won? They would be the best friends of the Russian people, and Kalmyks and Chuvashs - all! The winners write the story, the second time I remind you.
                        "It seems that VO is constantly writing about the almost complete support of the Soviet people by the people of the USSR during the Great War, try to read at least something before I chop up tasks"
                        According to reports to the NKVD, a slightly different picture emerges. No wonder the number of people who entered the war in the 58th was very large, too lazy to climb into the archive, but great. And do not write that on the 58th they looted embezzlers ...
                      2. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U April 4 2020 11: 33 New
                        +3
                        Quote: kalibr
                        In the Soviet press, 39 years after the signing of the Pact, all references to German fascism were canceled. This is so, by the way.
                        By the way, why did the leadership of the USSR simplify the task of the Anglo-Saxons to set Germany against the USSR? The German Nazis did not cease to be an enemy, but they became less and less an occasion for dirty tricks.
                        Quote: kalibr
                        No wonder the number of people who entered the war in the 58th was very large, too lazy to climb into the archive, but great. And do not write that the 58th planted embezzlers
                        You write as if you only have access to the Internet.
                        58-12. Failure to report a reliably prepared or committed counter-revolutionary crime entails imprisonment for at least six months.

                        58-14. Counter-revolutionary sabotage, i.e. deliberate failure by someone to perform certain duties or deliberately carelessly fulfilling them ...
                        е
                        https://stalinism.ru/dokumentyi/statya-58-uk-rsfsr
                        58-14 generally began to apply to criminals in camps by the end of the 41st. And embezzlers flew precisely on the 58th:
                        58-7. Undermining state industry, transport, trade, money circulation or the credit system, as well as cooperation, committed for counter-revolutionary purposes

                        It may not be lawful, but embezzlement or, even worse, theft of military property easily fit this article.
                        However, the court still sentenced 40-year-old Pavlenko to death, accusing him of undermining state industry for counter-revolutionary purposes.

                        https://fishki.net/2088974-velichajshij-moshennik-stalinskoj-jepohi-afera-polkovnika-pavlenko.html
                        And this is even after the death of Stalin!
                      3. kalibr
                        April 4 2020 16: 39 New
                        -3
                        For the future ... Never link to Yandex.Zen. Even when there is a photo from "cases". This is not serious.
                      4. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U April 4 2020 19: 29 New
                        +3
                        It is clear, in essence, about your stupidity about not applying Article 58 to criminals has nothing to answer, you have to at least complain about the link. Excuse me, I can’t refer to Leninka, because you’ll begin to root for this name, what good.
                      5. kalibr
                        April 4 2020 19: 31 New
                        -3
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Sorry, I can’t refer to Lenin

                        This is understandable, not everyone was allowed to work there in the special storage. But the nonsense to write "about korezhit" is not necessary, do not get used to messing around with shit. There will be an article about the use of different articles. I'll get to the archive ... I'll do it.
                      6. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U April 4 2020 19: 33 New
                        +3
                        Quote: kalibr
                        But the nonsense to write "about korezhit" is not necessary, do not get used to messing around with shit.
                        This envy in you says where you are and where Lenin is, intellectually.
            2. Arpad
              Arpad April 4 2020 09: 00 New
              -3
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              How could Vlasov win without German Nazis?

              Well, Assad’s victory doesn’t bother you, which without the Russian Aerospace Forces, Iran and Shiite mercenaries could not have taken place a priori.
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              It seems to be in VO that they constantly write about the almost complete support by the people of the USSR of Soviet power during the Great War

              This is because the USSR won the war, and if history had turned in a different way.
              Dithyrambs would sing to Vlasov and his perspicacity, as well as to all * heroes * who rushed over to the Nazis.
              The story is such a thing - the winners write it, but the winners are not judged.
              Such is the bum.
              and people pick it up.
            3. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U April 4 2020 11: 38 New
              0
              Quote: Arpad
              How could Vlasov win without German Nazis?
              Well, Assad’s victory doesn’t bother you, which without the Russian Aerospace Forces, Iran and Shiite mercenaries could not have taken place a priori.
              Wow, for you, Assad is equal to Vlasov, and Russia is equal to Nazi Germany? Wow call.
            4. kalibr
              April 4 2020 15: 00 New
              -3
              I wrote about polystyrene foam. I see now that I was not mistaken. And not just me. Everyone sees. They would be silent if God killed ...
            5. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U April 4 2020 15: 11 New
              +3
              Quote: kalibr
              I wrote about polystyrene foam. I see now that I was not mistaken. And not just me. Everyone sees. They would be silent if God killed ...
              And I wrote about the foam rubber, and it’s rotten ... What are you doing to protect Bandera and Vlasov? What makes you so hot that you lied about the impossibility of applying article 58 to criminals and embezzlers, but I have denied this? You’re slipping on a person, you’re a historian, would have stolen me with facts with references, but how aunt from the local import, who is reproached with her rotten herring, and she goes on screeching and insults ...
            6. kalibr
              April 4 2020 15: 23 New
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              Read my articles, everything is there. And why waste facts with references to ... "Those killed by God"? You can only laugh at them. The latter may not be humane, but useful. Otherwise, they would have completely unbelted! In my articles I give not that links are photocopies of documents, and that people like you are dissatisfied, who does not see at close range, and demands positive, who declares it to be a fake, and when I write - "contact the archive at the address" or the FSB in the Penza region on the fact of determining the forgery of important historical documents - leave the site. And again, you don’t understand, or rather you don’t want to understand ... Least of all I try to protect Bandera and Vlasov. I didn’t like your absolutely idiotic passage about the fact that homosexuals love them. You have no reason to say so ...
              However, according to homosexual communists and participants in the war, there will also be ... OFOPO GAPO has a lot of documents about this.
            7. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U April 4 2020 15: 41 New
              +1
              Quote: kalibr
              Read my articles, everything is there. And to spend facts with references to ... "Those killed by God" why
              Your articles? So they are something of themselves, only when translated, where your "thoughts" are at least, or about armor, and then more due to illustrations. Slightly somewhere, at least some kind of thought is required, so this is such a dull sadness, excuse me that you don't even pull out with super-flowery demagogy.
              Quote: kalibr
              I did not like your completely idiotic passage that homosexuals love them.
              You even misinterpreted such a simple, of only four words, but a fair slogan.
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              Bandera and Vlasov are heroes of homosexuals (obscene).
              Homosexuals (obscene insulting version of the word) in a bad sense and in rhyme to the name of the traitor Vlasov.
              Quote: kalibr
              I in articles give not that links - photocopies of documents
              I am aware of your biased selection and the wretchedness of comments. I will try not to miss the nearest one and jump on it.
              Quote: kalibr
              However, according to homosexual communists and participants in the war, too, will be ...
              Well, look, look, not to say what's interesting, but since you like ...
            8. kalibr
              April 4 2020 16: 22 New
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              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              I am aware of your biased selection and the wretchedness of comments. I will try not to miss the nearest one and jump on it.

              You do not understand elementary things, but undertake to judge them. However, to judge and jump is your full right. For this, both the site and the comments section. Than they are not more, the better.
            9. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U April 4 2020 19: 18 New
              +2
              Quote: kalibr
              You do not understand elementary things, but undertake to judge them.
              Which things? The fact that you are an anti-Soviet, which means a Russophobe is understandable, so also your sympathy for the traitor of the Russian people and the servant of the German Nazis Vlasov was revealed, generally good. After all, at first he simply gave up, and only much later, when the Germans "asked" him to be a fighter for "the happiness of the Russian people" and became against "Bolshevism". For what happiness a servant of the Nazis could fight it is clear from the example of the Ukrainian and Baltic Nazi sycophants.
            10. kalibr
              April 4 2020 19: 34 New
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              "Dumb and Dumber!" - it's about you.
            11. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U April 4 2020 19: 35 New
              +2
              Quote: kalibr
              "Dumb and Dumber!" - it's about you.
              Possible.
              About Russophobe and sympathy for the traitor Vlasov no objections, it seems.
            12. kalibr
              April 4 2020 19: 49 New
              -2
              The opinion of "Dumb and dumber", what to refute? They also wrote that I am A-Japanese spy, B - a paid agent of the US State Department, C - MI6 employee, that is, also an English spy. But no matter how much I didn’t suggest telling where to go, for some reason no one dared. And now this: in history I like two traitors: Ieyasu Tokugawa and Catherine the Great. The first betrayed everyone in general and became a shogun and a god, the second betrayed both her husband and the sovereign and became ... Great! That is, we must successfully betray, and losers like Vlasov do not cause any sympathy in me. By the way, I wrote to you twice about this, but ... it did not reach. And I also wrote about Russophobia ... I hate Russian idiots. But also American, German French ... But those are far away, and these are nearby, that's the problem. And by the way, I wrote to you about this. But you, apparently, do not understand what is not written by you. By the way, the lack of comprehension of what you read is a clear sign of dyslexia.
            13. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U April 4 2020 20: 05 New
              +2
              Quote: kalibr
              The opinion of "Dumb and even dumber", what to refute?
              Why refute, just write this
              Quote: kalibr
              That is, it is necessary to successfully betray, and losers like Vlasov do not cause me any sympathy.
            14. kalibr
              April 4 2020 20: 27 New
              -2
              That would be enough if it weren’t for your insulting passion for labeling.
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              Because Vlasov made such a censure that he was already hanged, so you hate the Soviets, because you try on his skin yourself

              How can I try on the skin of an idiot? And I hate the Soviets precisely because it was precisely with them that they multiplied in large numbers.

              kalibr (Vyacheslav) 8 Today, 08:54
              +3
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              Yes, everything has been clear with you for a long time, it’s clear why you became an anti-Soviet, which means Russophobe.
              Yes, I do not like Russian idiots more than American. Those far, these are nearby.
              I've written this all twice, and what was the result? So "about enough" is not necessary!
            15. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U April 5 2020 06: 21 New
              +2
              Quote: kalibr
              That would be enough if it weren’t for your insulting passion for labeling.
              No more insulting than your manner of instantly doubting your opponent’s mental abilities, especially if in essence of the dispute your position is frankly weak. And as for the shortcut, you yourself actually signed that you are an anti-adviser:
              Quote: kalibr
              How can I try on the skin of an idiot? And I hate the Soviets precisely because it was precisely with them that they multiplied in large numbers.
              Here are just an anti-Soviet is a machine gun and Russophobe. And not because of some idiots there, not at all.
              Quote: kalibr
              "Dumb and Dumber!" - it's about you.

              How would I explain to you, you consider Vlasov an idiot, because he lost, but at the same time you imagine that if he won, then:
              Quote: kalibr
              If the story went differently and Vlasov won, there would be no German Nazis
              . Sorry, but even elementary logic suggests that if there weren’t the Nazis, then there would be no Vlasov (how little is the most prominent politician). So it turns out that even elementary logic is not available to you. Further, you consider Vlasov an idiot, but why? Indeed, in 1942, many considered the Nazis quite capable, if not destroy the USSR, then force them to surrender. And this is not to mention the threat to Vlasov’s life itself, no matter how he was captured. So Vlasov was definitely not an idiot. Not knowing and not understanding such things, not even a historian, but at least a little bit educated and intelligent person should be ashamed.
              So the main heroes "Dumb and dumber!" much closer to you than to me, only they are at least funny, unlike you.
              Although everything changes, if you do not consider Vlasov an idiot, but simply a traitor-loser, and despise him precisely for failure, and not for betrayal, and here an interesting perspective opens:
              Quote: kalibr
              And I hate the Soviets precisely because it was precisely with them that they multiplied in large numbers.

              Quote: kalibr
              So betrayal is disgusting only when the traitor loses - hehe!

              Quote: kalibr
              And now this: in history I like two traitors: Ieyasu Tokugawa and Catherine the Great. The first betrayed everyone in general and became a shogun and god, the second betrayed both husband and sovereign and became ... Great! That is, it is necessary to successfully betray, and losers like Vlasov do not cause me any sympathy.
              Under the Soviets, if you believe you, people like Vlasov bred, but it is obvious that Vlasov is not, he is just a traitor / traitor, which means traitors / traitors bred, but you do not blame traitors, you even like them, so you yourself are. And tadaam, it turns out that you hate the Soviets for the fact that such as YOU yourself have multiplied with them! Regardless of who you are, dumb and dumber or amateur laughing Tokugawa.
  • kalibr
    April 4 2020 08: 51 New
    -3
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    Because Vlasov made such a censure that he was already hanged, so you hate the Soviets, because you try on his skin yourself

    How can I try on the skin of an idiot? And I hate the Soviets precisely because it was precisely with them that they multiplied in large numbers.
  • kalibr
    April 4 2020 08: 54 New
    +2
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    Yes, everything has been clear with you for a long time, it’s clear why you became an anti-Soviet, which means Russophobe.

    Yes, I do not like Russian idiots more than American. Those far, these are nearby.
  • Alexfly
    Alexfly April 4 2020 11: 16 New
    0
    [quote] [/ quoteYes, everything has been clear with you for a long time, it’s clear why you became an anti-Soviet, which means a Russophobe. [quote] [/ quote]
    Somehow, everything is simple for you, just like tracing paper, if it’s an anti-Soviet, it means Russophobe. probably you forget that other nationalities live in the USSR and the Russian Federation? Or don’t you know? And please, don’t call me Natsik or pacifist, I’m not them .... I can’t answer for you, because I don’t know you, but I think when you get under the press you will sing the wrong song .. I have the honor.
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U April 4 2020 11: 48 New
      0
      Quote: AlexFly
      Somehow, everything is simple for you, just like tracing paper, if it’s an anti-Soviet, it means Russophobe. probably you forget that other nationalities live in the USSR and the Russian Federation?
      Of course it's simple:
      And again, the anti-adviser is always Russophobe, whatever he invents about himself. Because the anti-Soviet refuses the Russian people the ability to think and make decisions. The Bolsheviks threw off temporary workers with the support of the Russian people and defended Russia from traitors and their foreign accomplices with the support of both the hands of the Russian people and turned Russia into a powerful technical power with the support of the hands of the Russian people. Anyone who denies this, who considers the Russian people to be deceived and intimidated by the Bolsheviks, can call himself and even sincerely consider anyone, but he is a Russophobe. The Nazis, the current Anglo-Saxons and other Europe are anti-communists and undisguised Russophobes, and they think so.
      Anticommunists quite often dress up as Russophiles, but the first anti-communists are Nazis, they may even be Russian by nationality, but in this case they oppose the Russian people to other "nationalities and nationalities", and this is not even a dead end, this is a pit with stakes.
      1. Alexfly
        Alexfly April 4 2020 11: 54 New
        -1
        Yes, you, dear, just an ordinary national communist .... You have an Anti-Soviet and Anti-Communist, judging by your pearls, the same thing .. Very sorry
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U April 4 2020 11: 57 New
          +1
          Quote: AlexFly
          Yes, you, dear, just an ordinary national communist .... You have an Anti-Soviet and Anti-Communist, judging by your pearls the same
          Decrypt, generally dear, that in your understanding
          ordinary national communist

          The claim against the anti-Soviet and anti-communist is clear, only the Soviets without the Communists would have been impossible.
  • Operator
    Operator April 3 2020 20: 20 New
    0
    Quote: kalibr
    But I don’t care. I try to translate

    I noticed laughing
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra April 3 2020 21: 50 New
    -4
    that is, you can find in it “a Russian hat, and Japanese shoes, and American socks and tight Spanish trousers”

    After reading this - already a little donkey. Imagining a Russian HAT is already hard. "Wearing a wide bolivar" chtol? HATS - yes, starting from the three. The Japanese, of course, sew boots, but they are also not national footwear, and absolutely. And the Spanish national costume ... Well, the pants are very tight!
    laughing
    This is for different Khrenets - culottes were)
    No, the author said beautifully, from the heart! laughing good
    1. kalibr
      April 4 2020 06: 54 New
      0
      Quote: Cowbra
      Introduce Russian HAT

      And it is not necessary! Watch the movie "Mr. 420". She's on his head!
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra April 4 2020 09: 41 New
        -2
        Ihikhih wink "There is no spark of God's wrath in him"
        I would shave it like this:
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra April 3 2020 21: 56 New
    -1
    on sleeve removal hole

    No, it's all...
    The tenth time the alarm rings
    I bang my head on the lamp
    The forehead turns blue
    I am looking for a snowdrift
    With hope I climb into the refrigerator

    Sasha Chugunova, she is SashaCH, she is "Fly".
    Ah, well, yes, the song is called "under the fly." And what am I talking about?
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra April 3 2020 22: 15 New
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    And further. For instance:
    http://www.military-today.com/firearms/car_817.htm
    1. Roman_vh
      Roman_vh April 4 2020 01: 20 New
      -2
      Is there no quarantine in VO?
      Any abomination is unsubscribed.
  • Alexfly
    Alexfly April 4 2020 11: 21 New
    -1
    A good rifle, made with mistakes, added to its reliability. It is a pity that in the homeland there is no way to have normal legislation on weapons and, accordingly, the market. As grandfather Lenin used to say: "Don't be afraid of a man with a gun!" I will only add: "Fear an inadequate armed man!"
  • Sarkazm
    Sarkazm April 4 2020 19: 18 New
    0
    I wonder when someone will bother to write about Tabor 7,62 from admirers of small arms? And the rifle turned out quite wow.
    1. kalibr
      April 4 2020 19: 35 New
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      At VO there was an article about TAVOR back in 2012. The problem is writing about weapons - SOURCES!