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The search for the pilot of the Su-27 fighter that crashed into the Black Sea is stopped

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The search for the pilot of the Su-27 fighter that crashed into the Black Sea is stopped

The search for the pilot of the Su-27 fighter that crashed into the Black Sea has been stopped, and the search for the aircraft itself begins. This was reported by TASS with reference to a source in emergency services.


According to the agency’s source, it was decided to stop the search for a pilot of a Su-27 fighter that crashed into the Black Sea two days ago, since neither the pilot nor the plane were found on the sea’s surface, although they ’searched every meter in this square and far beyond " Now the operation proceeds to the stage of searching for the aircraft or its debris at the bottom of the sea.

Everyone left the search area. Searches are over. They will not search for more on the surface. Only there will be underwater searches - already the plane

- leads TASS source words.

Recall that on March 25 of this year, during scheduled flights over the Black Sea at 20:10, the Su-27 fighter disappeared from the radar screens. Presumably, the plane fell 50 km from Feodosia. The search for the pilot and the aircraft went on for almost two days without stopping, but was unsuccessful. Ships and ships of the Black Sea took part in the operation fleet, border guards and civilian ships, as well as helicopters.

According to the press service of the Black Sea Fleet, the search was hampered by strong winds, large waves and low clouds.
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  1. bondrostov
    bondrostov 28 March 2020 07: 31 New
    11
    Everlasting memory..
  2. Paul Siebert
    Paul Siebert 28 March 2020 07: 33 New
    11
    Hope dies last.
    Let's hope. Miracles happened ...
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 28 March 2020 07: 43 New
      15
      This is where longing is - bitter grief for the family, for parents! God forbid anyone to experience such a loss of a loved one!
      1. Barakuda
        Barakuda 28 March 2020 07: 49 New
        +7
        Quote: Tatiana
        This is where longing is - bitter grief for the family, for parents! God forbid anyone to experience such a loss of a loved one!

        God forbid Tatyana, my heart ached straight from one thought .. But this happens to the military, it is a very dangerous profession for them to defend their homeland. hi
    2. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 28 March 2020 08: 02 New
      +4
      Let's hope. Miracles happened ....... there will be no miracle. along the way only miracles of courage, pulled up to the last that if it were not for residential quarters to collapse. and left with his car ... kingdom to him heaven
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 28 March 2020 08: 21 New
        +3
        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
        there will be no miracle. along the way only miracles of courage, pulled to the last
        and left with his car

        Rather, it would have worked out at the World Cup to find the plane faster. Surely, the pilot is sitting there in the cockpit of his winged car. To get and raise the body, to bury with honors.
        1. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 28 March 2020 08: 25 New
          +3
          to find the plane faster. .... quickly fails even in fine weather. if 50 km from the coast in that area of ​​200-300 meters depth, if it was not alive for long, pressure ... and yes, GAS had to immediately hammer the bottom in a search operation, now it's late
          1. Flyer_64
            Flyer_64 29 March 2020 21: 11 New
            0
            Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
            to find the plane faster. .... quickly fails even in fine weather.

            This is accurate, because even now there is no exact place for the plane to crash, the area is very large, roughly speaking, from Feodosiya to the Opuk training ground.
      2. WHAT IS
        WHAT IS 28 March 2020 10: 10 New
        +8
        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
        there will be no miracle. along the way only miracles of courage, pulled up to the last that if it were not for residential quarters to collapse. and left with his car

      3. Santa Fe
        Santa Fe 28 March 2020 10: 42 New
        +5
        I pulled to the last so that I couldn’t collapse in residential areas.

        In the open sea
        50 km from the coast
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 28 March 2020 20: 45 New
          +1
          Quote: Santa Fe
          50 km from the coast

          The cruising speed of the Su-27 is 1350 km / h, the maximum is 2500 km / h. I don’t know what was there, but for “drying” 50 km it’s a couple of minutes, so anything is possible.
          1. Crimean partisan 1974
            Crimean partisan 1974 29 March 2020 08: 33 New
            +1
            50 km is a couple of minutes ....... not minutes but 20 seconds, and in a critical situation, this is an instant
    3. Guillon
      Guillon 29 March 2020 22: 32 New
      0
      In the age of information technology, you can’t find a pilot! am Something is wrong with our MSS! request recourse
  3. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 28 March 2020 07: 38 New
    +4
    Maybe there is still? To bury a person early.
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 28 March 2020 07: 51 New
      +1
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      Maybe there is still? To bury a person early.

      Military pilots have personal beacons, so they most likely died at sea .. hi
      1. private person
        private person 28 March 2020 08: 37 New
        -3
        Military pilots have personal beacons

        So the flight was not combat but training.
        1. Barakuda
          Barakuda 28 March 2020 09: 22 New
          0
          Quote: private person
          Military pilots have personal beacons

          So the flight was not combat but training.

          And it makes no difference .. Now in the Black Sea, when there are a lot of amers, every flight is a combat one! hi
        2. Doliva63
          Doliva63 28 March 2020 16: 16 New
          +2
          Quote: private person
          Military pilots have personal beacons

          So the flight was not combat but training.

          And what, in the training flight pilot is not necessary to save?
        3. K-36
          K-36 28 March 2020 16: 18 New
          11
          H. private person. Please do not mislead people with your thoughts about combat and training missions. I explain to you (and all forum users who are interested in the rescue equipment of the pilot) that on all ejection seats in the airborne combat aircraft, the Komar-2M (MP) radio beacon is installed in NAZ-compulsory! yes In combat aircraft and helicopters that do not have ejection seats, the Komar is installed inside rescue parachute systems. Departure of any airplane (helicopter) without the Komar tested for performance is prohibited! In case of violation of this Instruction - TRIBUNAL for officials who violate this Instruction.
          hi
      2. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 28 March 2020 09: 27 New
        +1
        In any case, it’s necessary to look for a person! You never know what ...
      3. Doliva63
        Doliva63 28 March 2020 16: 15 New
        0
        Quote: Barakuda
        Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
        Maybe there is still? To bury a person early.

        Military pilots have personal beacons, so they most likely died at sea .. hi

        You probably mean Komar? This is not a personal beacon, but part of the equipment. It works when bailout. If the pilot remained in the cockpit, then you yourself understand.
  4. Barakuda
    Barakuda 28 March 2020 07: 38 New
    +3
    Kingdom of heaven to him .. Non-combat losses, and even the pilot, the worst loss hi Maybe they will find more. It would be necessary to bury, as it should.
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 28 March 2020 09: 25 New
      -1
      What kind of coyotes will be played here in this thread?
      There is nothing sacred .. Just to spit in the souls and Russia
  5. GeorgeSev85
    GeorgeSev85 28 March 2020 07: 46 New
    +3
    Sorry man :(
    Everlasting memory!
    1. Flyer_64
      Flyer_64 29 March 2020 21: 16 New
      +1
      32-33 years old, first class, wife and three children. Eternal memory!
  6. jovanni
    jovanni 28 March 2020 07: 51 New
    +3
    Eternal memory to the guy ... But every time in such cases grief and disappointment cover me - well, how long will we lose the pilots who survived the crash, but died because they were not found on time! What is the MO lacking to create a normal pilot evacuation system ?! Of money? Brains to create an effective search engine? Like all this is ... Or big shoulder straps in the drum? Well, how long ?!
    1. sailor roman
      sailor roman 28 March 2020 08: 22 New
      +4
      From the books I read, I knew that the basis of the combat order of operations of the aviation forces are freely maneuvering pairs. Why, then, the implementation of this task was carried out not by a couple, but by one plane?
      1. Vladimir
        Vladimir 28 March 2020 09: 00 New
        0
        Well, if there was a couple, so what? Believe that the SU-27 could land on the water and save the pilot? I am sorry for the pilot’s family.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 28 March 2020 10: 48 New
          +6
          Well, would there be a couple, so what?

          Could at least indicate the exact place of the accident, the place of the splashdown of the pilot.
      2. Flyer_64
        Flyer_64 29 March 2020 21: 20 New
        0
        Quote: sailor Roman
        Why, then, the implementation of this task was carried out not by a couple, but by one plane?

        Because the flight was carried out for military use. To comply with safety and security measures, in the area of ​​combat use, the crews performed flights at set intervals. Freely maneuvering couples took this their Hollywood fighters ?.
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 28 March 2020 08: 27 New
      +6
      Quote: Jovanni
      What is the MO lacking to create a normal pilot evacuation system ?!

      Do not say ... Yes, a simple flashing light, a sound signal ... Any additional element that is visible at night (dark time) ...
      Sincere condolences to family and friends ...
      1. Kerensky
        Kerensky 28 March 2020 09: 17 New
        +3
        Yes, a simple flashing light, a sound signal ... Any additional element that is visible at night (dark time) ...

        Everything is. PSN too. Buoy Komar ... I had a little work as a lifeguard.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 28 March 2020 09: 30 New
          +2
          Quote: Kerensky
          Everything is.

          The point is not what is available, but whether this helps in the search ...
          1. Kerensky
            Kerensky 28 March 2020 09: 44 New
            +4
            The point is not what is available, but whether this helps in the search ...

            It helps.
            Low cloud cover and storm. Even if all the means of rescue are triggered, pull the person out of the water under such conditions .....
            In principle, a pilot can hold out for three days at the IPSN ...
            1. Astra55
              Astra55 28 March 2020 12: 53 New
              0
              Why not make noise. The chair did not come out.
              And the ancient one like the mammoth Komar could not help in this situation, because it only works when bailout.
              If it happened - by any means, the Mosquito would pout and squeak at an emergency frequency - in the hands of the pilot or by itself inside a XNUMX meter inflatable shell. For two days, they would definitely have found.
            2. K-36
              K-36 28 March 2020 16: 37 New
              +1
              SW Kirill ( Kerensky) I believe (and not without reason) that I studied the topic of saving pilots from water quite well (due to the specifics of my military profession). However abbreviated IPSN I confess, I was puzzled ... Do not tell me what it is?
              Yours faithfully, hi
        2. Doliva63
          Doliva63 28 March 2020 16: 23 New
          0
          Quote: Kerensky
          Yes, a simple flashing light, a sound signal ... Any additional element that is visible at night (dark time) ...

          Everything is. PSN too. Buoy Komar ... I had a little work as a lifeguard.

          In my time, there were no “rescuers” in the Air Force, there were regimental PDS, on the basis of which PDGs were created - search airborne groups, which included the best sportsmen and paratroopers of the unit. True, I did not serve at sea, but we had no particular problems with the search for pilots. Looks like something is wrong now at the "conservatory".
    3. Voyager
      Voyager 28 March 2020 08: 41 New
      +1
      Recently, quite a few articles have been written and washed up with bones on the topic of an outdated rescue kit for pilots ...
    4. private person
      private person 28 March 2020 08: 43 New
      +2
      What is the MO lacking to create a normal pilot evacuation system?

      So in the article it was written that the pilot was not found what does the evacuation have to do with it. The Crimean partisan 1974 (Vladimir) wrote that the depth in that area was 200-300 meters, and there was no information that the pilot ejected.
      1. jovanni
        jovanni 28 March 2020 09: 18 New
        -2
        So in the article it was written that the pilot was not found what does the evacuation have to do with it.

        So I meant that there should be a SYSTEM of evacuation, which certainly should include means of quick, better than instantly finding pilots who have crashed. Once again I repeat: "to find" !!! Even in an unconscious state ...
        1. Kerensky
          Kerensky 28 March 2020 09: 50 New
          +2
          means should be included of quick, better than instantly finding pilots who have crashed. Once again I repeat: "to find" !!!

          There are these funds. And they work automatically. Even if the pilot is unconscious (what happens), then everything works. That's just in the stormy sea to climb into the raft ....
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 28 March 2020 16: 25 New
            +1
            Quote: Kerensky
            means should be included of quick, better than instantly finding pilots who have crashed. Once again I repeat: "to find" !!!

            There are these funds. And they work automatically. Even if the pilot is unconscious (what happens), then everything works. That's just in the stormy sea to climb into the raft ....

            This is yes. sad
    5. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 28 March 2020 08: 45 New
      0
      What is the MO lacking to create a normal pilots evacuation system ?! yes simple. Now migratory birds from the south to the nesting site are returning, is that the reason for you, or should the schools of geese disperse the schools of geese? and the pilot pulled to the last thing so as not to fall into residential quarters, as they say "life is easy as a feather, and duty is heavy as a stone", otherwise the official bread was eaten in vain, the pilot did well, the honor was
      1. svoit
        svoit 28 March 2020 09: 12 New
        0
        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
        if both engines became steel once, why?

        This should not affect the search and rescue, moreover, these systems should be isolated from each other. The lighthouse should turn on at a signal of a dangerous approach to the ground, so in any case it will have time to transmit its coordinates. GLONASS has been working for 30 years, but its work is not visible.
        1. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 28 March 2020 09: 19 New
          +1
          The beacon should turn on when the signal of a dangerous approach ....... at a depth of 200-300 meters, the beacon signal will not pass. that’s all, even if the outdoor shooting. his stream simply blow away even more confusing rescuers, this tragedy is a banal set of circumstances and not some sort of systemic mess
          1. svoit
            svoit 28 March 2020 09: 36 New
            +2
            Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
            at a depth of 200-300 meters, the beacon signal will not pass

            Are we talking about an airplane right now? You seem to have mixed up the topic. A signal about the approach of the earth is usually issued when the plane is still above the surface, and in any case it will have 1 s to transmit its coordinates.
          2. Kerensky
            Kerensky 28 March 2020 09: 54 New
            +1
            at a depth of 200-300 meters, the beacon signal will not pass. that’s all, even if the outdoor shooting.

            Here it is not necessary to mislead people! A mosquito floats on the surface and starts to signal from getting wet ...
            1. K-36
              K-36 28 March 2020 16: 53 New
              +3
              A mosquito floats on the surface and starts honking from getting wet...

              Well, Cyril, you can’t. stop "Komar" always (!!!) is included in the work exclusively by supplying it with power from the Surf battery. And no other way! yes But from “getting wet with water” the battery of the light-signal beacon of life jackets ASZH-58 and ASZH-63 starts to work (that is, the light on the chest starts to burn brighter, unmasking the pilot (especially at night).
              I would like to warn you against such errors, because they do not add confidence. Please do not be offended by my remark, for it is dictated by the saying "Plato is my friend, but Truth is dearer."
              hi
            2. Doliva63
              Doliva63 28 March 2020 17: 09 New
              +2
              Quote: Kerensky
              at a depth of 200-300 meters, the beacon signal will not pass. that’s all, even if the outdoor shooting.

              Here it is not necessary to mislead people! A mosquito floats on the surface and starts to signal from getting wet ...

              Does the mosquito start to whistle? That is, if you catapulted over land, you need to crawl to the nearest puddle - so, it turns out? Well, damn it, lifeguards. So Komar works when the pilot leaves the cockpit - inflates, straightens the antenna and turns on the power of the radio in the Beacon mode.
          3. Flyer_64
            Flyer_64 29 March 2020 21: 47 New
            0
            Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
            The beacon should turn on when a signal of a dangerous approach

            The beacon is turned on from the depth sensor, in other words, from the water sensor. On the su-33 and instant 29 to these sensors are, but on the su27 is unlikely.
            1. Crimean partisan 1974
              Crimean partisan 1974 29 March 2020 21: 54 New
              0
              The lighthouse is turned on from the depth sensor, ...... the radio signal in the Black Sea will not pass, at a depth of 200-300 meters. and not only the thermocline is to blame. and hydrogen sulfide, and a tethered beacon on a fighter ..... interestingly
      2. donavi49
        donavi49 28 March 2020 09: 12 New
        +7
        Yes, I pulled so as not to scare dolphins.

        If the engines, then jumped. Or reported, and then jumped. And on the Su27 landing on the Hudson would not do. Especially in SMU (initially searches could not be conducted because of this).

        Rather, a catastrophic failure (control, fragmentation, twisting, transfer to a dive) or the human factor in the SMU (lost orientation, believed the feeling, not the instruments, this could be accompanied by minor failures, for example, in the indication).
        1. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 28 March 2020 09: 23 New
          -2
          Yes, I pulled so as not to scare the dolphins ...... but what to guess on the coffee grounds, they will lift it, they will sort it out. but my version seems to be the most real
      3. litus
        litus 28 March 2020 20: 36 New
        +2
        Partizan, a man died in the service. This is a tragedy. Well, why the nonsense about "pulled from the city to the last" to write if it supposedly fell 50 km from the coast? Yes, he pulled, but he saved the car, but Theodossia is far away.
        1. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 29 March 2020 08: 21 New
          -2
          Partizan, a man died in the service. This is a tragedy. Well, why the nonsense about "pulled from the city to the last" to write .... not to write but to print, secondly YES TRAGEDY. in the third Crimea is notable for its dense development and is not limited only to Theodos; in the fourth, the pilot had 20 seconds to do everything to make a decision to choose the lesser of two evils. otherwise there would be a second Done when more than 80 people were in the trash .... and I repeat again, the birds return to the nesting place, the tragic combination of circumstances and the courage of the pilot, everything
    6. Santa Fe
      Santa Fe 28 March 2020 10: 47 New
      +1
      Well, how long will we lose the pilots who survived the crash, but died because they were not found on time!

      MO did not publish data that the pilot managed to eject

      According to the Hero of Russia, test pilot Magomed Tolboev, the cause of the crash is the human factor. He talked about this in an interview with the NSN.

      “This Black Sea swallowed a lot of planes, because people who fly at night and have no experience, begin to fly over the water. And above the water, that the sky, that the sea, look the same - the stars sparkle there and sparkle there. As I always said and generally introduced this concept into world practice - the human factor. The Su-27 cannot refuse, it cannot fail, only the one sitting in the cockpit can bring it, ”Tolboev said.
  7. Thrifty
    Thrifty 28 March 2020 07: 52 New
    +5
    My sincere and deepest condolences ... Eternal memory to the pilot!
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 28 March 2020 08: 02 New
    +5
    Condolences to the near and dear ones. Such "news" is always perceived hard.
  9. svp67
    svp67 28 March 2020 08: 48 New
    +2
    Sorry ... Eternal memory.
  10. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 28 March 2020 12: 17 New
    0
    Until the body is found, everyone will hope for the unbelievable!
    I don’t understand another! Why, in spite of all the advanced technologies in determining the coordinates of the radio source, the alarm systems continue to work on the basis of the "signal has given, try to find it." Yes, at sea, in difficult conditions, it is much more complicated, but a similar situation is observed on land.
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 28 March 2020 17: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: Vladimir61
      Until the body is found, everyone will hope for the unbelievable!
      I don’t understand another! Why, in spite of all the advanced technologies in determining the coordinates of the radio source, the alarm systems continue to work on the basis of the "signal has given, try to find it." Yes, at sea, in difficult conditions, it is much more complicated, but a similar situation is observed on land.

      I don’t know at sea, but on land as far back as the 80s on Komar, we had an excellent direction finding. A helicopter with PDG flies while (and flew right after the pilot’s arrival or report), the coordinates were constantly adjusted from the KP if, for example, it was blown by the wind. Just the rescue system in the Air Force, in my opinion, was ruined.
  11. sanik2020
    sanik2020 28 March 2020 13: 07 New
    -1
    There is such a profession to defend the homeland!
  12. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 28 March 2020 13: 40 New
    -4
    I don’t understand how it’s possible not to find even a beacon in the sea near our shores ?!

    They either give a message that there is a signal, or it comes from another place, but as a result, they didn’t find anything either a pilot or a radio beacon.

    If these beacons / beacons are not worth a damn, so why replace them all with those that allow you to quickly find them in the water and in the mountains and in the forest yesterday ?!

    Zhiguli already put a satellite coordinate system !!!

    There are simply no words, our rescue service is not a damn good, as some kind of tragedy happens - there’s so much heap of opposite information and usually a negative search result with miserable excuse and a reference to bad weather conditions. Shame and shame!!!

    When will conclusions be drawn from these tragic cases and something will be changed for the better in this area ?!
    1. K-36
      K-36 28 March 2020 17: 38 New
      +1
      SW Ratmir_Ryazan. I sincerely agree with your position that salvation is shame and shame!
      But here is your conviction "these beacons / beacons are not suitable for a damn thing, so why replace them all with those that allow you to quickly find them in the water and in the mountains and in the forest yesterday?! "I think it’s incorrect (but practically taking me away from a specific solution to the problem). I deeply analyzed this topic and came to the unequivocal conclusion: beacons should be TWO! One is now a full-time Komar. The second (let's call it “airplane” for ease of understanding) should be mounted on an airframe element. And it should respond to shooting from an overload sensor (which has long been mastered by the industry), which provides an explosion of SRO (the system unit of the radio transponder "friend = stranger"). Only now this sensor must be included in the system of shooting the "airplane" (as well as helicopter) beacon. Of course, the radiation frequency of the “airplane” beacon should be different from the frequency of the “Mosquito”. And he must transmit information on the air somewhat different than Komar. I emphasize that the second beacon is just needed for cases when the pilot (pilot) could neither eject nor report and died along with the aircraft. And on the aircraft there may be secret units, sights systems and weapons, but for the BTA and civil aviation this may be a secret (or valuable) cargo. In a word, you have to look for him! And in order not to search all over the sea (as well as the entire Arctic or taiga), this second “aircraft” beacon is just needed.
      PS: I’m preparing a special article for VO readers under the headline “Can we, together, make aviation officials forget the term SEARCH FORMED ??” forever. I work, look for material, lay it out tomorrow or Monday.
      hi
      1. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 28 March 2020 22: 31 New
        -1
        Question. Are there beacons in the black boxes? - in most cases, you need to find a "black box" to maintain "secrecy" and to clarify the circumstances of the "incident". When they searched for the missing “Malaysian Boeing” they talked about searching for the signal from the “black boxes”, there are beacons on the Boeing’s engines that constantly send a signal about the operating mode to the satellite for transmission to the engine service center of the manufacturer’s company, when the “Malaysian Boeing” disconnected the signal engines arrived another two hours. hi
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 29 March 2020 00: 00 New
        -1
        Quote: K-36
        it must fire on firing from an overload sensor (already long mastered by the industry)

        Will this work with relatively soft splashdown with subsequent flooding of the aircraft?
        1. K-36
          K-36 29 March 2020 00: 47 New
          0
          SW Piramidon, I just forced criticize your comment about relatively mild flooding followed by floodingbecause it openly contradicts two factors at once (well, if you want, circumstances):
          1. The laws of physics. For water, as you know, is practically not compressed. Therefore, a blow to water is equivalent to a blow to concrete. That is why divers often die from heights of 6 meters and above, falling at the entrance to the water in a newspaper floating on the surface of the water.
          2. Why [b] [/ b] the pilot to grind the Su-27 to the surface of the water at a minimum landing speed?!?
          To play with death? After all, even 180 km / h means 50 m / s. And, if you miss a couple of seconds here, the cabin will be under water. And it will be impossible to eject, because the cockpit glazing can no longer shoot (again, remember the incompressibility of the water). And, in turn, an unshooted flashlight does not unlock the firing mechanism of the catapult. As a result - tryndets!
          Sorry for the "multi-book", but I believe that my arguments will help you (and many just interested) to understand the factors of the impact of the aircraft on the water surface.
          hi
    2. Santa Fe
      Santa Fe 28 March 2020 21: 30 New
      0
      I don’t understand how it’s possible not to find even a beacon in the sea near our shores ?!

      The plane crashed into water, debris at a depth

      Messages that the pilot managed to eject MO did not publish
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 29 March 2020 06: 57 New
        0
        Victor, you can admit the case when the plane comes into contact with the water surface with a small vertical speed of descent. Practically, landing on water.
        1. K-36
          K-36 29 March 2020 15: 52 New
          +1
          Stepan (Piramidon). Forgive me generously for not seeing your main question, “Will the“ airplane ”beacon be able to shoot when the airplane resorts to planing at minimum speed, thereby smoothly resetting the longitudinal overload to a value below the set value for the longitudinal overload sensor? "
          Yes, the question is like on an exam, when they try to catch a student to test the hardness of knowledge.
          Well, I’ll try to defend myself, although the question goes beyond the scope of my “graduation project”, where I stand for the concept of the mandatory availability of a second beaconlocated on a glider and working on its sensor (that is, regardless of the actions of the pilot). Despite this, I will not shy away from your question.
          I see the answer as follows: set the value g on an overload sensor equal to that found in a recent Airbus landing on a cornfield. The main thing is that it should be slightly larger than with the release of brake parachutes by a combat aircraft. The option of an individual exhibition for each type of aircraft is fully operational (with an entry in the RLE of each type).
          And in order to close the question with your proposed low-speed planing (and the mandatory further drowning of the aircraft), then I have two answers:
          1. We unwittingly go into the field of lack of data (specific numbers). Believe me, IAS has data on longitudinal overload during landing on water and Be-12, and "Albatross". We just don’t know them. And it’s by no means a fact that the combat Su and Mig have the same. Rather, they are much higher, because, for example, the entire line of Su-27 and MiG will immediately scoop tons of water into the air intakes, because they are located just under the belly. And if you add here also the contact of the hot (600 gr. Celsius) leaflets of the nozzles of the working engines, then the picture immediately turns into a solid force majeure. And even if their size is less than when planting on a corn field, you can after all organize an additional (parallel) contour of the decision to shoot. For example, add a pressure sensor (atmospheric outboard) to the circuit. In a special calculating decisive device (installed after all on the Su-24 SVP-24, for example) to “clinch” these two sensors. By setting the firing rate to 900 mmHg on the pressure sensor. column (which is already atmospheric as much as 240 mm Hg higher). That is, the device understands that the aircraft is sinking (and at the same time, the longitudinal overload sensor is simply "sleeping") when it reaches the 900 mm Hg mark. gives a command. But in this case, not for regular shooting, but only for soft pushing out of bounds, we will call it a “case”. It is clear that the radio beacon must be waterfowl.
          Something like this. hi
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 29 March 2020 18: 09 New
            +1
            Here I agree. If the lighthouse separation system works not only with overload, but also with external pressure, then your idea has the right to be implemented. And on the account of the presence of a second radio beacon on the plane, my colleagues and I have long discussed this topic and everyone was FOR. Our Tu-95RC did not have ejected seats and therefore most accidents turned into a disaster, with the death of the entire crew. Two aircraft of our regiment, together with the crews, fell into the ocean. The search dragged on for many days. Found on a few debris and a spot of kerosene, if the weather is calm. That is, the search is purely visualhi
    3. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 29 March 2020 00: 55 New
      -1
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      I do not understand how one can not find ...

      You should have shut up further. I have no words, except for my mother, for you, an unwise person.

      Yes, they hurt, yes, until they’re perfect ... and there’s no ideal there, it’s impossible ... urr .. I’m silent, otherwise they’ll be banned.
  13. ZVS
    ZVS 28 March 2020 14: 43 New
    +1
    Strange ... Neither the name of the pilot, nor his rank and position. What to hide?
  14. Orkraider
    Orkraider 28 March 2020 15: 19 New
    +1
    I grieve, and continue to hope for an incredible miracle.
    He took off and did not go back ..
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 29 March 2020 00: 58 New
      -1
      Quote: Orkraider
      keep hoping for an incredible miracle

      Hey.

      With water at 8 centigrade - hopelessness. My condolences, well, the work is so ...
      1. Orkraider
        Orkraider 30 March 2020 14: 54 New
        +1
        Hey.
        hi

        Yes, I understand, but ... as they say, hope dies last and memory remains.
        Job. Partly true. Behind the dry words - the military - is their willingness to carry out the order, and to stand up for their people. And die by order. Including in peacetime. This is more than Work, my opinion is, I don’t know how to say for sure. Probably Service. Serving your homeland.
  15. ljoha_d
    ljoha_d 28 March 2020 15: 38 New
    0
    Condolences to the family. Well, again, our best technology failed? We must not yell about our ideal and superiority, but quietly and calmly solve the problems of which are not enough
  16. jaroff
    jaroff 28 March 2020 22: 38 New
    -2
    At aviation forums, they write that LTU was carried out with launches of air-to-air ASPs. Slave flunked his rocket R-73.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 29 March 2020 00: 04 New
      -1
      Quote: zharyoff
      At aviation forums, they write that LTU was carried out with launches of air-to-air ASPs. Slave flunked his rocket R-73.

      So far, it has not even been reported that there was a couple in the air.
    2. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 29 March 2020 08: 46 New
      -1
      The slave flunked his rocket with R-73 ..... enemies, in order to spit 73, some manipulations are required of which one will not work when the "friend or foe" system is on
  17. Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 29 March 2020 14: 21 New
    -2
    It seems that our "partners" shot down the bird, and the pilot has already been eliminated as an unnecessary witness.
  18. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 30 March 2020 05: 14 New
    0
    "Su-27 fighter disappeared from radar screens. Presumably, the plane fell 50 km from Feodosia" - the rest is speculation !!! Quickly organized search and just as quickly turned around! -Too many questions ..
  19. jaroff
    jaroff April 13 2020 22: 53 New
    0
    The plane was raised. The pilot was not found.