PR for export: why no one buys a Su-57

Serial killer"




On December 24, 2019, near the Dzemgi airfield in the Khabarovsk Territory, the Su-57 crashed: fortunately, the pilot ejected and remained alive. It was the first production model, which, of course, only poured oil into the fire, ignited by critics of the program.

However, another thing is much more important. Despite the fact that the aircraft can be said to be ready, with a great deal of certainty it can be argued that as of March 2020 there is not a single foreign order for it. Simply put, no plane was bought by another country.

Recall that the Indians in 2018 left the project known as the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA), which involved the creation of a version of the Su-57 for the Indian Air Force. China's interest in the aircraft was nothing more than a rumor. And do not forget that the Celestial Empire previously commissioned its own fifth-generation fighter J-20, and in the future there may be adopted by the J-31, although it is most often considered as an export machine.


The only glimmer of hope was the lengthy message of the portal Menadefense, made in December last year. According to him, Algeria allegedly concluded a contract for the purchase of fourteen Russian fifth-generation multi-functional fighters Su-57 and the same number of front-line bombers Su-34. It is noteworthy that some media presented this as a fait accompli. Neither the lack of official data, nor the sudden purchase by Algeria of highly specialized Su-34s (instead of much more logical multi-functional Su-35s) for some reason did not alert them. In any case, there has been almost no specific information about the Algerian contract since there is no interest from Turkey, although during the previous MAKS, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan showed interest in the new aircraft.

Engines and stealth


It turns out that, besides Russia, no one needs a fighter. What is the problem?

In the West, the emphasis has traditionally been on two things. Firstly, stealth. It is she, according to Western experts, that is at the forefront of the fifth-generation fighter, and the Su-57 allegedly does not meet the stated requirements. Secondly, the engine. Instead of the so-called second-stage engine that meets the requirements of the fifth generation and is known as the “Type 30”, the aircraft is equipped with the AL-41F1 - an actually deeply modernized version of the Soviet AL-31F mounted on the Su-27.

With the first paragraph, everything is complicated: we do not know and with a high degree of probability we will never know the real indicators of stealth, not only of the Su-57, but also of the American F-35 or F-22 Raptor. So while the thesis about the suitability or mismatch of the Su-57 stealth technology lies, rather, in the plane of theory. As for the engine of the second stage, it is actively tested and with a high degree of probability will be brought to mind in the 2020s. Recall, more recently, new high-quality photographs of the Product 57 installed on the Su-30 have appeared, confirming the active progress of work.


Tangle of contradictions


Summarizing the above, it can be noted that the technical difficulties of the Su-57 do not seem insurmountable: moreover, the aircraft conceptually looks better than the aforementioned Chinese J-20. The Russian machine, of course, has "childhood diseases", but they are characteristic of absolutely any new model of military (and not only) equipment.

Perhaps Russia itself does not want to sell the plane. Partially, this point of view is justified: in any case, it may seem so if we look at the recent statements by officials.

“We in the promotion strategy along the MTC have this in our plans. The time will come - we will promote. While the Su-35 is doing well, we see no reason to undermine our own market. There will be a need - we always have a trump card ”,

- said in June 2019, Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov.

However, you need to clarify: in fact, the Su-35 is not going well. In addition to Russia itself, it was bought only by China, and then only 24 cars (and this is against the background of hundreds of Su-30MKI previously purchased by India!) And several months earlier, Interfax announced that all the documents necessary for delivering Su fighter abroad -57, agreed. “The Su-57 has a good export potential,” said the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov at the end of March 2019.

Beauty in Russian


In fact, the answer to the question about the lack of interest in the Su-57 may lie on the surface. And it's not about Western pressure, although it also has a place to be. The fact is that the Su-57 remains a "dark horse": an airplane, about which few people know and few people understand what is at stake. Except, of course, the army of domestic aircraft enthusiasts. “Is it a Su-57? .. And is it already flying?” - Erdogan asked Vladimir Putin during the above-mentioned visit to the exposition of the MAKS air show. Good illustration of the situation.

There is nothing to be surprised at. One gets the impression that no one has ever tried to really “spin” a fighter: there were no spectacular animated videos, no vivid presentations, or high-profile successes at exhibitions. One of the few positive aspects is the video about testing the aircraft, submitted on the official channel of the Ministry of Defense March 24 this year.

Potential competitors have a different story. Even relatively small Sweden can do high-quality PR: just remember the rollout of the first prototype of the Gripen E fighter, which was carried out at the head aircraft manufacturing company of the Swedish group Saab AB in Linkoping on May 18, 2016. The Swedes generally do everything to maintain interest in their creation from the very beginning of development, although it initially had little chance of commercial success: the new Gripen appeared in the fifth generation era, while the aircraft does not even reach the Dassault Rafale or Eurofighter Typhoon in combat capabilities Generation 4 + (+).


There is another interesting example: moreover, oddly enough, from Russia. Last year, public interest was aroused by the advertising photography of the MiG-35 fighter, made by a group of photographers under the leadership of Dmitry Chistoprudov. Photos were taken from several angles, using a white cyclorama, a white substrate and large diffusers. In some photographs, specialists managed to achieve an impressive effect that would be envied even in the West.


It is worth saying that the author is not a big fan of the MiG-35. However, it is appropriate to raise the question: what prevented us from taking such a path in the case of the Su-57? Or, let’s say, try to do it differently: the way Bell Helicopter implemented it by releasing a high-quality animated video in which the promising Bell 360 Invictus helicopter strikes the latest technology, namely the T-14 tank and the T-15 infantry fighting vehicle based on " Armats. " Of course, this gave rise to "litigation" on the Web, however, probably this was precisely the idea of ​​the authors.


One way or another, but without competent advertising, it’s naive to count on success in a very narrow one against a civil aviation segment of combat aircraft. Unless selling them “at a discount” to their political allies. However, for this, such allies must be, and they must have at least some financial means and the ability to operate new equipment.
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  1. Pessimist22 28 March 2020 06: 09 New
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    So you probably need to put into service, do yourself more than a hundred, put the engine of the second stage and customers will appear.
    1. Aerodrome 28 March 2020 06: 11 New
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      PR for export: why no one buys a Su-57
      no no ... request
      1. DMB 75 28 March 2020 06: 37 New
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        They don’t have what kind of export there ..
        1. EnGenius 28 March 2020 11: 33 New
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          Yes, these Western liberals and urapatriots do not understand, then give them cartoons, then do not. The article is nothing!
          1. 1_2
            1_2 28 March 2020 12: 26 New
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            for export, emphasis should be placed on civilian products, the arms export of the entire Russian Federation 10-13 billion, and agricultural enterprises sold 25 billion! what and who prevents the production of civilian products for export? For example, Ross cars, Toyota sells up to 10 million cars worldwide, why the government (with its oligarch friends) does not want to build several car plants, create several car cars and produce cars of all classes? but instead they sold (or rather gave away the debt of VAZ for free) to the French - the only VAZ passenger car factory, then we fell into forests, why the Russian government doesn’t build a pulp and paper mill to produce office paper, for example, they also export goods, instead they drive round timber and boards, which returns to Russia at ten more expensive in the form of furniture and office paper .. and hundreds of such issues .. 20 years zeroed rules and the Russian Federation as sitting on an oil needle and sits .. shame

            I think you can’t export Su57, it will be immediately studied by NATO, you need to sell Su35, instantly 35 and MS21 civilian aircraft, Superjet100 (which needs a Ross engine in the air) and other civilian products ... one Apple company sells iPhones for 220 billion! why have nullified and its nano Chubais still not made an analogue? and in general, when does Chubais report for billions of bucks?
            1. Vadim777 29 March 2020 18: 33 New
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              Bro, there’s nothing to learn ...
            2. maidan.izrailovich 30 March 2020 05: 09 New
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              .... what and who prevents the production of civilian products for export?

              Capitalism is in the way. It is easier and more profitable for Russian oligarchs to sell natural resources.
              1. Similarly, maidan.izrailovich! Dragged this rubbish, this so-called ,, capitalism ,, to Russia are scoundrels-traitors. Like some kind of coronavirus. For thirty years (!), The country has been engaged in nonsense - grows up self-satisfied, self-confident and hollow-headed rich cosmopolitan people. To this end, our ancestors nemchuru and ,, who joined, “on the face”, cheated during the Second World War? For this, defenses have been supported for decades? For this, children's camps were built so that the future lackeys of globalists would walk in them with fat? For this, this .... did our grandfathers and fathers give free higher education?
                Well, that’s, came ,, (or ,, arrived ,,?) In ,, bright capitalist tomorrow ,,.
                Not only diplomats and well-known foreign political leaders see what Russia has turned into a self-sufficient and once powerful country. This is a quasi-state - Capitalist Russia, ((RK ,,), which has been steering, for 30 years, in the country, it’s absolutely worthless, gray, stupid, weak and dependent.
                And aviation is a kind of litmus test of the level of development of education and science, industrial development and the effectiveness of a particular state. A worthless state cannot have serious civil and military aviation. It doesn’t happen!
                What can reveal to the world ,, RK ,,? Learned how to build (piece copy) Soviet aircraft 50 years ago? Serious achievement! Like monkeys grimacing paid, experts, and propagandists about the F-35 ... And this American car (modification with UVP) is a really UNREADABLE level for the aviation industry of the Republic of Kazakhstan. For his current condition.
                The world sees all this. The world sees the story with ,, Super-duper Jet ,,.
                How is it, a miracle of technology, crews and passengers are afraid. The world knows that Kazakhstan agreed with China on the sale of Chinese, clones, An-2 to Russia ...
                And the world is gradually starting to refuse services of the Republic of Kazakhstan in terms of assistance with airplanes, helicopters ... Adequate people understand that modern Russian, effective managers, offer customers either not quite fresh, or raw goods . And, while delicately, while with a good-natured smile, they refuse him
            3. EvilLion 30 March 2020 08: 49 New
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              And what does a VAZ for Renault do bad cars? You guys are all kind of weird, you take and build. Where to build? Who will work for them? What will be produced? Do you really believe that you can simply order a competitive car by order?

              It’s immediately clear that the factory entrance did not cross, but it’s easy to talk about the oil needle.
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                1_2 30 March 2020 23: 44 New
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                What does Renault have to do with national Ross factories? this is a NATO plant that sculpts its second-class troughs, has occupied the domestic Ross market and has increased all its big cash - the proceeds (from the sale of Lokhanov = Duster troughs) are exchanged for euros and exported to itself, depreciating the ruble, and will not be exported anywhere! we are talking about the export of Russian civilian products (instead of the latest military ones), for this it is necessary to develop and build factories that are fully state-owned or with 51% of the state, all this could be done in the 20 years of the zeroed rule, but things are still there, the Russian ruble is falling (here you also need to reduce the number of currency speculators or even prohibit the circulation of foreign currencies) from any sneeze on the oil market, making Russians poor and making oligarchs richer ...

                As for Ross cars, it’s not a problem to make them (though even Grant-priors go with one kapitalka more than 1 million km, they only need a modern safe body), US (and other plants) have been working using Ross software for a long time, they even calculate crash tests for software and it’s much easier to develop an electric car than on an internal combustion engine than the Chinese are doing, but no one thinks about it at the GDR Zavklub in ROSTECH, Kalashnikov showed only an electric IL motorcycle and a four-wheeled tarantas for playing golf (for ones you love), in the end Russia continues to sit on oil and people are stable he has been poor since 91, unlike the PRC, where the Communists rule

                what will we produce? - all the rest and what is in demand, primarily the auto industry, the FRG auto industry exports up to 250 billion (compare with the miserable 12 billion defense industry of the Russian Federation), along with spare parts, Americans sell iPhones for 200 billion, 200 billion of the Russian Federation exports resources, and they must be replaced by civilian products, and also reduce imports in the Russian Federation (also 230 billion) to a minimum, but other people in power like the Chinese Communists are needed for this
                1. nickname7 April 4 2020 11: 04 New
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                  Americans sell iPhones for 200 billion, for 200 billion Russia exports resources, and they need to be replaced with civilian products,

                  Gold words. Profits from an average Western company exceeding all oil and gas revenues are explained by the fact that the final product costs hundreds and thousands of times more than raw materials. Hence, they have a high standard of living, ten times higher than the Russian one.
                  It was possible to increase redistribution by at least one level in at least some industries, this would increase employment, increase taxes, but it wasn’t there, liberal economists opposed import substitution, many reasons were written why production cannot be developed.
                  It is believed that in 90 Roselita was sold on conditions that they were allowed to live in the West, keep money, freely buy and sell assets, be protected by Western justice, but in return they were required to keep the Russian Federation as a raw materials appendage.
              2. nickname7 April 4 2020 10: 33 New
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                By the way, Berezovsky made a fortune in a vase, sold frets to Europe, that is, the automotive industry is quite competitive, but there is a big one, but this BAB, it took money abroad, didn’t invest a penny, here the dog is buried, managers want grab and dump. Apparently therefore, liberals incapable of development seek to surrender the country to hire, they say come to invest, bring us freedom.
            4. nickname7 April 4 2020 12: 32 New
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              Chubais will report for billion dollars?

              This cantor seems to be made to sterilize money so that we can say that we have no money.
          2. Bad_gr 28 March 2020 15: 14 New
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            The Americans did not sell a single F-22 abroad and it is not audible that they would be going to do it. We still haven’t really put our own on the wing, but already some insinuations about its sales abroad.
            The second one. Talking about the Chinese J-20, that he is a fifth-generation aircraft, a clear exaggeration.
            1. silver_roman 28 March 2020 23: 04 New
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              F-22 and did not plan to sell for export. There is an F - 35 for this. In order for the project to come to life and become winged, we need investments as it was with the su 30mki. in fact, the Indians saved the industry by giving money.
              with the second paragraph I agree to all 100. China does not even have 4 generations. that is, it is bought from us. they themselves reached only the 3rd generation, which Pakistan soars soaringly
              1. maidan.izrailovich 30 March 2020 05: 11 New
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                We need the project to come to life and become winged ....

                We want the project to come to life and become winged .... and not only the project, but the whole country, we must return to the socialist path of development.
              2. nickname7 April 4 2020 11: 15 New
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                the project came to life and became on the wing, investments are needed

                If it’s a dirty piece of paper, then the Russian Federation has these petrodollars as dirt, every month, the Central Bank transfers 10-15 yards of dollars to the states, it was possible to put 1 yard into the plant and business accounts, all the more so such an important matter and technological development and production. The policy of soliciting investments in a cash flow is decidedly incomprehensible.
            2. Grits 29 March 2020 03: 46 New
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              Quote: Bad_gr
              The Americans did not sell a single F-22 abroad and it is not audible that they would be going to do it.

              So they do not produce it anymore, what to sell then? But the F-35 is very good. For several reasons
              1. Amerikatos attracted many countries for joint development and production of components. there, respectively, they grab them.
              2. Amerikatos bent down all their "partners" and NATO members, all who lick their anus and all whom they have and step on the throat. They will buy it involuntarily.
              3. Amerikatos are not under any sanctions, are not dependent on a shortage of engines, avionics and other things from abroad (their "subcontractors" are meek).
              4. Amerikatos considered this situation far ahead with an eye to sell. Therefore, the same PR campaigns and other promotion and PR events were carried out aggressively. This is what the author of the article writes about.
            3. IC
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              Due to the very high cost of the F-22, no country can afford to buy it.
              1. Bad_gr April 1 2020 17: 25 New
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                Quote: IMS
                Due to the very high cost of the F-22, no country can afford to buy it.

                The Japanese tried to buy them. Received a refusal.
                I have a suspicion that the plane is not as good as painted in the advertisement, and that all this would not come out to other countries and would not be sold.
            4. Cyril G ... April 11 2020 15: 36 New
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              All right. And the first and second.
          3. GriggoT 28 March 2020 18: 35 New
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            No matter how this article is about! More about what! To cause unpleasant sensations, at least, and as a maximum to exclaim and get excited near Russian people unfit for all Russian and Russian.
            1. SovAr238A 28 March 2020 22: 32 New
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              Quote: GriggoT
              No matter how this article is about! More about what! To cause unpleasant sensations, at least, and as a maximum to exclaim and get excited near Russian people unfit for all Russian and Russian.


              And name examples of "validity" ...

              And it turns out as about a superjet.

              Urya, Urya for many years in a row, and then it turns out that those who "seduced" in Urya and bought a superjet - abandoned the operation ... very quickly refused.
              Because it's too expensive to have a superjet. He creates losses. Together with its manufacturers and managers ...
              1. EvilLion 30 March 2020 08: 52 New
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                And then it turned out that they buy SSJ, but you need to whine. Although before the SSJ civilian aircraft industry was represented only by helicopters, it was reset to zero in the 90s. But no, even a fairly successful project that has already bypassed the Soviet Yak-42 does not please you.
                1. SovAr238A 30 March 2020 19: 35 New
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                  Quote: EvilLion
                  And then it turned out that they buy SSJ, but you need to whine. Although before the SSJ civilian aircraft industry was represented only by helicopters, it was reset to zero in the 90s. But no, even a fairly successful project that has already bypassed the Soviet Yak-42 does not please you.


                  So who is buying SSJ?
                  Foreigners? No.
                  Aeroflot only.
                  And it was not at all the desire to raise the Russian aviation industry — to get it out of the crisis — that caused the acquisition of an unfinished airliner.
                  Not only does Aeroflot buy the SSJ100 twice as cheap as its market value, the largest domestic air carrier regularly receives compensation from the state for every minute of aircraft downtime. So it turns out that Aeroflot is almost more profitable for the Sukhoi Superjet 100 to be on the ground than flying in the air.

                  You say a successful project?

                  More than 13 years and almost 7 billion dollars of budget funds has been spent by our state on the development of SuperJet.
                  Now we were supposed to get some kind of return on investment by selling aircraft, but no. The state again subsidizes its purchases with Aeroflot, its downtime due to the fault of Sukhoi ...

                  Again, budget funds are sprayed around everything except the right one.


                  When converted to one aircraft, the cost of maintenance and repair (MRO) of the Superjet, according to the tender of the Aeroflot airline, is almost 2 times higher than the cost of servicing foreign airliners.

                  And if SSJ100 aircraft make up a little less than a third of the airline’s narrow-body fleet and they carry out about a fifth of the total number of flights, then the return and cancellation of flights operated by the SSJ100 for the first half of 2019 amounted to almost half of all canceled or returned flights of an airline in this segment of aircraft .

                  Despite the constant problems associated with the "Superjets" and talking about the underdevelopment of the aircraft, nobody is going to modify the aircraft.

                  One of the main reasons for such a low “new generation” airliner raid is the lack of spare parts and the lack of proper maintenance. Therefore, in the event of a malfunction, the aircraft are forced to stay on the ground for a long time, pending the supply of spare parts.
                  1. nickname7 April 4 2020 11: 19 New
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                    lack of spare parts and lack of proper maintenance are the reasons for such low levels of “new generation” airliner flight.

                    But this is not clear why there is no normal service for maintenance, what is the incompetence and hacking work of managers?
          4. nickname7 April 4 2020 12: 27 New
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            Yes, the author misled himself and sucked the problem out of his finger, so the article is full of demagogy.
            How to understand this phrase-
            that the plane can be said to be ready, with a great deal of confidence
            no plane was bought by another country


            “Maybe” you won’t put it in your pocket, maybe the author has a fig in his back, who knows. Therefore, the product must be put up in the hangar in order to touch it, sit in the cockpit and make test flights. And also it is necessary that at least 10 aircraft are in operation of the Ministry of Defense, then there will be confidence that the Su 57 is not a pig in a poke.

            And that photo, only showed and why do not buy what to buy? airplane pictures?

            One gets the impression that no one ever tried to really “spin” the fighter: there were no spectacular animated videos, or vivid presentations

            The author simply scoffs at the readers, Endogan asked, “the plane is flying,” but it turns out that more animation is needed so that everyone knows about the product. And what animation to sell?
            The best advertisement would be the delivery of several dozen aircraft to the army and their use there, rather than pictures.
    2. Trickster 28 March 2020 11: 21 New
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      The problem is different, the Su-57 is too excessive for the market, lack of competition from China and the United States. Some have a J-20, which is a complete competitor to the Su-35, while others have a stillborn f-35 and f-22, which ceased to be produced due to the high cost.
      The picture is unfortunately only in English, who can understand it.
      1. Trickster 28 March 2020 11: 22 New
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        Not picked up the first time.
        1. Octopus 28 March 2020 11: 57 New
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          Wow. Someone does not like the F-35 and can in colored plates in a foreign language. Where he writes super-maneuverability by 5 points to put the penguin more minuses. Where the penguin’s lack of the ability to use weapons from the internal suspension on the supersonic sound is a minus, and the lack of the Su-35’s internal suspension in general is normal. Where Irbis, it turns out, is a plus with respect to as much as AN / APG-81. Very interesting, thanks.

          It is very interesting for whom writers like you hold readers.
          1. EvilLion 30 March 2020 08: 53 New
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            Irbis is larger and more energetically powerful. Plus add. hydraulic drive.
        2. FANTOMAS. 28 March 2020 12: 08 New
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          Who did not pick up and why? And most importantly, where did she not pick up the first time?
          And why is this table laid out here?
          Explain please.
        3. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 28 March 2020 12: 51 New
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          this picture is so memetic in itself that it should be a shame to upload it, lol
        4. Engineer 28 March 2020 19: 56 New
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          It was necessary to go with trump cards and immediately post like this
      2. shahor 28 March 2020 13: 03 New
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        Quote: Trickster
        stillborn f-35

        How many f-35s are already exported? And the portfolio of orders for 10 years in advance? It is a fact. This is a concrete result felt in monetary terms. And the Su-57 will not be exported soon. First you need to get it in the army. A potential buyer will appreciate his work, study the experience of use. This is only possible after installing product 30 on an airplane. And yet. Clients of the Russian military-industrial complex today, mainly countries are very poor, with disabilities. Frequently dependent on ... rich partners. An example is Indonesia and a torn Su-35 deal. And the Su-57 is super expensive compared to the same Su-35. In quantities comparable to the deliveries of a stillborn, it will not be produced closely - in the next 10 years, at least.
        1. Trickster 28 March 2020 13: 08 New
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          How many f-35s are already exported?
          Let’s now compare with corn makers or Ford Focus. What is the difference how many people put or bought f-35. If the f-35 is a crude aircraft whose TTX was stabbed to please the stealth, and is it more like a 3rd generation aircraft?
          1. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 28 March 2020 13: 40 New
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            Why is the 3rd generation in the stealth wrapper much more successful than the creations of the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation? American occupation, pressed, guessed?
            1. Albert1988 28 March 2020 14: 34 New
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              Quote: Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
              Why is the 3rd generation in the stealth wrapper much more successful than the creations of the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation? American occupation, pressed, guessed?

              But nothing that the 35th is literally forcing them into NATO countries and the US ally? And some are very unlocked, the same Italy, for example ...
              1. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 28 March 2020 19: 00 New
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                You read it on RT, guessed?
                1. Albert1988 28 March 2020 19: 02 New
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                  Quote: Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
                  You read it on RT, guessed?

                  No, they didn’t guess))))
                2. EvilLion 30 March 2020 08: 57 New
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                  That is, you want to say that Japan or Italy will go buy a Su-35? Here, with Turkey, because of a couple of air defense systems, how many yells that they did not buy from the master. Sixes have no right to this. In the same way, no Kazakhstan will buy the F-16, they will immediately look at it from Moscow that "Why did you think that up there?" Before the collapse of the USSR, the arms market was generally divided in half.
              2. SovAr238A 28 March 2020 22: 39 New
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                Quote: Albert1988

                But nothing that the 35th is literally forcing them into NATO countries and the US ally? And some are very unlocked, the same Italy, for example ...


                so unlocked that even on their territory they collect all the wings for absolutely all F-35s around the world,
                and not only that, they made an assembly plant on their territory F-35 on which they assemble for themselves and possibly for others ...

                PS Where do you get such stupid information from?
                Well, I’m just curious, because in fact there’s one thing, but you are saying the exact opposite things that have nothing to do with reality.
                I wonder - where do you get this information?
                Where does he come from?
              3. Fmax 29 March 2020 16: 28 New
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                And why the hell is Italy F35? You look at countries that really need good weapons. For example, Israel, which is located in the ring of "friendly" states, has gladly commissioned the 2nd squadron and is not going to stop there.
          2. EvilLion 30 March 2020 08: 54 New
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            Why does it bother you? Americans make money. We make planes for our Air Force.
      3. Stas-90 28 March 2020 17: 50 New
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        f-35 and f-22, which ceased to produce due to the high cost.

        F-22 is the last of the Mohicans. Had to fight with the planes of a superpower called the USSR in TMV. But the USSR collapsed. And the Raptor turned out to be very redundant in a unipolar world and also oversaturated with top-secret technologies.
        F-35 is a really high-tech aviation complex. Not just an airplane, but a complex. Its owner gains great opportunities, from the production of individual parts on its territory to the inclusion of a single aircraft in the global general information network-centric system during combat operations. And Russia's attempt to get into this niche is akin to trying to sell its own OS on the world market in exchange for all Windows used, i.e. doomed to failure. All the patriots cheer at Pina on what the light stands. Perhaps they consider themselves the smartest. However, how many countries have already acquired the F-35, and how many still await its receipt? And how many would like to have it, but finances do not allow?
        And the Su-57 is a direct analogue of the F-22. True, he was late with his appearance for two decades. It is redundant for modern wars. There are quite enough opportunities for the Su-30, Su-35, F-16 and all kinds of Mirages.
        So with the release of the Su-57 you can not rush. The simplified export version will not “enter” the market - the F-35 ball rules there.
        Su-57 is needed only by ourselves. And the deadlines are not burning - tomorrow a big war is not expected. We will calmly make the engine. Screw drones to it. Improve the system. Gradually deliver to the troops.
        1. EvilLion 30 March 2020 09: 01 New
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          I’ll explain for nonsense. Su-57 is the first multifunctional aircraft of the 5th generation. It can carry quite large ASPs and carry out shock missions. That is, it is the first single aircraft in world history in general. More precisely, he could become one in a spherical vacuum, the Air Force armed with one Su-57 can be considered full-fledged.

          F-22 does not know how, he is a purely air fighter, like the J-20. The Americans simply did not make the shock version of the F-22, they preferred to configure more cars with weak LTX.
          1. Cyril G ... April 11 2020 15: 42 New
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            Is the Zhi-20 accidentally not a drummer with elements of a fighter?
    3. Bar1 28 March 2020 14: 12 New
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      PR for export: why no one buys a Su-57


      how can one buy, why not?
    4. Campanella 28 March 2020 19: 40 New
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      Obviously, there are big problems in the defense industry. And I think of a fatal nature. If possible, a second-generation engine was designed. But we took the path of "deep" modernization.
      In my opinion, there are no specialists able to develop a new engine, there are no technologies, there are no necessary materials and the last are competent managers.
      This is a systemic dead end. We are eating up old achievements, but there will be no new ones, because they have nowhere to come from.
      1. EvilLion 30 March 2020 09: 02 New
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        Obviously, you work out 500 rubles. I would simply ban for such posts.
        1. Campanella 30 March 2020 10: 55 New
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          Are you and me? I don’t know what you are working on there, I write what I think based on the information that is available to me. You have to ban you, unproven bumping into people. You do not even understand simple things, but give here.
          1. EvilLion 30 March 2020 12: 21 New
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            It’s with you, and you, obviously, weren’t a product of Putin’s maternal capital at the present factory, in order to talk about engines, that’s the only way. The first sign of a professional is an understanding of what he does not understand. And only on sofas they understand everything, including engine building.
            1. Campanella 30 March 2020 15: 43 New
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              I didn’t go over with you. Have we served together? Do not remember that.
              Do you even understand what you wrote? Who are you, by profession, if not a secret?
              Apparently a great expert on everything and everything and this gives you the right to evaluate others?
              Many local "pros" love to use the sofa stamp.
              You didn’t guess, I’m not a product of Putin’s maternal capital and I have seen production.
              And there’s a lot more that you apparently haven’t seen.
      2. Cyril G ... April 11 2020 15: 47 New
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        Look at how much in reality they developed, for example, before the start of serial production of a Typhoon or the same F-22. The engine of the 2nd stage is already a reality. But its development takes time. What can I say if even on the eve of WWII the piston engine brought to mind a minimum of 5-6 years. And the new engines for All went into battle, in fact, in an unfinished state. In combat conditions, the BMW 801 actually worked in 1942, 24-28 hours. Then overhaul.
        With regards to the engine of the 2nd stage, it is already flying. This is a breakthrough.
    5. zenion 29 March 2020 15: 55 New
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      What the hell are customers if you need them soon. They will need to be sold after the final and irrevocable victory, without any conditions and compromises. After the war, Stalin, even the partisans of Israel, gave airplanes, along with pilots, tanks with tankers and artillery with gunners. So Israel appeared. Weapons will be needed for the US occupation. In addition, you will need a lot of shovels. The imperialists will connect the Atlantic and the Pacific through the territory of the former states and for collective farms. We cross tanks into tractors!
      1. EvilLion 30 March 2020 09: 03 New
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        Stalin only gave trophy scrap metal, and T-34-85, when in the USSR itself the T-54 was massively marching.
    6. Rudkovsky 29 March 2020 16: 07 New
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      No, you just need to change the Su-57 to palm oil at the rate of 1 to 1, 30 tons of fighter for 30 tons of oil. And there will be many buyers. And palm oil with such oil prices will be very useful to us in the near future.
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      It is unlikely that more than 50 units will be produced before 2030.
      The output of the Indians immediately reduced the number of aircraft intended for purchase.
  2. Mavrikiy 28 March 2020 06: 13 New
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    in the Khabarovsk Territory crashed Su-57
    It is quite possible that the Americans could spoil the "lazar" from the satellites. And groan loudly: "Oh, we’re behind EW." request
    1. zenion April 3 2020 13: 45 New
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      There is nothing to be done. Everything bad is falling in Russia, and everything good is falling in the States. Our capitalists were very worried that 57 were not buying, as if they were doing it for export. Even just in case, they compared American 35 and Russian 35, apparently by numbers that US 35 could be thrown from the belly, and Russian 35 did not have such an opportunity. But 75 is thrown from the belly, but it is wrong for the reason that in the USA there is no plane with such numbers and you can’t compare whether it is bad or even better. Like children in children. garden, but I have such a bike. The second one is the same for me. First, but I have painted yellow, which is better than your coffee color. And they came to adulthood with comparisons from kindergarten.
  3. Amateur 28 March 2020 06: 16 New
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    why no one buys a Su-57

    What to buy? There is no aircraft in the series yet. How many planes will be able to release during the year is not clear. Whether an export version of the aircraft is unknown. Aircraft are not stock futures for air traders. This is a piece of hardware that potential buyers want to touch with their hands. Well, there’s nothing to touch yet.
    1. carstorm 11 28 March 2020 06: 51 New
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      there is such a thing as pre-sales. the penguin actually began to buy when there was also no series. Unfortunately we do not have a market called NATO where you can push everything. Yes, and traditionally everything is very sad with us.
      1. Altona 28 March 2020 07: 13 New
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        Quote: carstorm 11
        there is such a thing as pre-sales.

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        There is such a thing as a foreign policy dictate and it is possible to push sales of your equipment through foreign policy violence.
        1. Octopus 28 March 2020 11: 59 New
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          foreign policy violence can push through sales of their equipment.

          This is necessary. The Americans came, and a foreign soldering iron forced the Jews to take a penguin from Lockheed instead of an Eagle from a Boeing. What brutal.
          1. Albert1988 28 March 2020 14: 36 New
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            Quote: Octopus
            This is necessary. The Americans came, and a foreign soldering iron forced the Jews to take a penguin from Lockheed instead of an Eagle from a Boeing. What brutal.

            But nothing that the Jews have money for defense - almost exclusively from the states? The states gave money - the states said that they would buy the money, otherwise then they won’t give money ...
            1. Octopus 28 March 2020 16: 18 New
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              And why do the States dislike Boeing so much that they force their habitants to take an LM plane?
              1. Albert1988 28 March 2020 16: 49 New
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                And why do the States dislike Boeing so much that they force their habitants to take an LM plane?

                You seem to be little familiar with such a phenomenon in the life of the USA as the lobby))))
                So - Lockheed just has a bigger mouth than Boeing, people there are higher and more solid among the shareholders))) You will notice that Boeing in the states generally rolled back a little over the past 15-20 years in many positions with respect to Lockheeds ...
                1. Octopus 28 March 2020 16: 57 New
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                  So - Lockheed just has a bigger mouth than Boeing

                  What an amazing news. So jagged lobby of LM that can make the Jews take the plane worse than they already have. By the way, why on the F-16?

                  Does the phrase "reverse cargo cult" say anything to you?
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                    Quote: Octopus
                    What an amazing news.

                    Just incredible! Imagine, you can be aware of how things are being done in the most democratic ...
                    Quote: Octopus
                    Such a jagged lobby for the LM that it could make Jews take a plane worse than they already have.

                    Why not? The old "eagle" simply ceases to be sold, and it is technically maintained and modernized. It's like Micro-soft - they don’t give a damn that you want to sit on XP, old and tested - they just remove it from support and all new programs go under the buggy Vista ...
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                    By the way, why on the F-16?

                    What about sixteen? The sixteen are also old, they will gradually cease to be produced and maintained, buy a new product, s !!!
                    Quote: Octopus
                    Does the phrase "reverse cargo cult" say anything to you?

                    This phrase should not tell us something, the principles of the functioning of capitalism should say something to us ...
                    1. Octopus 28 March 2020 20: 59 New
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                      you can be aware of how things are being done in the most democratic ...

                      I mean, in the LM are the Supreme Rulers of the World, who lobbied Boeing, three types of their Armed Forces, the governments of a dozen countries, including Jews, - and all this power is only to vparivat herbolife your bullshit? Oh well.
                      Quote: Albert1988
                      The old "eagle" simply ceases to be sold, and it is technically maintained and modernized. It’s like micromoft

                      Are you aware that Orel and Penguin produce different companies? Or is Lockheed ruled the whole world here? And Falcon Lockheed stopped selling and upgrading, seriously?
                      Quote: Albert1988
                      The sixteen are also old, they will gradually cease to be produced and maintained, buy a new product, s !!!

                      Why sell a new product if you can drive the old one? They will take it, they won’t go anywhere. The USSR State Planning Commission at one time could not answer this question.
                      Quote: Albert1988
                      the principles of the functioning of capitalism ...

                      One of the basic principles of capitalism - the Israeli Air Force must be the strongest in the region. Until the tappings from the LM appeared - this is how it was for many years.
                      1. Albert1988 28 March 2020 23: 19 New
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                        Quote: Octopus
                        I mean, in the LM are the Supreme Rulers of the World, who lobbied Boeing, three types of their Armed Forces, the governments of a dozen countries, including the Jews - and all this power is only to impart a garbolife your bullshit? Oh well.

                        Eh, why should I tell you how capitalism works? Well, well - if you want - I'll tell you))) Capitalism needs to sell its goods in order to grow and make a profit, and it is desirable that more and more goods are sold, because otherwise the costs will not pay off. But the trouble is, the markets have all been developed. What should I do if it is impossible to expand? That's right - you have to make people buy new products regularly or sell the next product more expensive than the previous one. Everything is simple.
                        Now, how does this relate to the new penguin and the old eagle - the eagle is old, good, checked and everyone has it, you need to buy a new one only as the old goes out, and the resource is huge, and if there is another procedure for extending the resource, then it becomes simply prohibitive! What should a capitalist do, in which in such a situation the profit will be minimal, since there is no war, there will be no huge losses in the planes ... That's right - you need to urgently come up with a new plane! Super fancy and super expensive. There is one difficulty - how will everyone buy it? That's right - we’ll say that we don’t sell or support old ones anymore! But new ones - at least heaps! Another plane can be released raw to the market, then to milk even more money for its refinement! Great commercial plan!
                        And now what does the eagle have to do with it - yes, it is produced by another company, but Boeing does not sell it personally, all this is controlled by the US government, and it decides - we don’t sell eagles anymore, and the penguins have a green light, or you did not know. what is it like that?
                        Then find out ...
                        Now, on the relationship between Boeing and Lockheed - first Lockheed wins within the states, thanks to the thicker lobby, more successful technical solutions, etc. And then what’s won is exported already))) And yes - all the necessary countries will shut up and will eat a full spoon, because they depend on the United States, and especially Israel - how much money they give them for defense from the United States - so to excite blasphemy !
                        They will buy what they give, even if it is a foam board at the price of platinum)))

                        Quote: Octopus
                        One of the basic principles of capitalism - the Israeli Air Force must be the strongest in the region.

                        Oh my friend! Come on, where is capitalism, and where is the Israeli Air Force? Capitalism is being done a little in the wrong region and does not ask for the views of Israel! The desires of Israel are the wishes of Israel, the main thing is that he earn money from serious uncles by buying something. what serious uncles say!
                        It's like in a joke: how does a smart Jew talk to a stupid Jew? That's right - only by phone and only from America))))
                        Quote: Octopus
                        Until the tappings from the LM appeared - this is how it was for many years.

                        That is, you want to say. what is not now? Israeli Air Force Not the strongest in the region? Although from the point of view of our question - this is absolutely not important)))

                        Briefly summarized - the capitalists need to sell a new expensive product to get more profit and ensure economic growth, they use the lobby and political pressure for this, both inside themselves and outside ... hi
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                        Yes, very interesting, thanks.

                        Perhaps if you studied the theory of capitalism a little less based on the materials of the Russian press, you would be a little more aware of what the JSF program is, when and under what circumstances it appeared. However, it’s so good for you.
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                        Quote: Octopus
                        Perhaps if you studied capitalism theory a little less based on the materials of the Russian press

                        You know, it is basically impossible to study capitalism based on the materials of the Russian press - because the Russian press is toilet paper - there is just as much material in it ...
                        Quote: Octopus
                        you would be a little more aware of what the JSF program is, when and under what circumstances it appeared.

                        You can’t imagine - I’m aware of this program, just like I know that Boeing lost it with a bang! If Lockheed Martin proposed, albeit an expensive, but quite workable option, then Boeing offered something ... a little similar to the plane ... and not only externally ... And the fact that it was essentially one big commercial project from the very beginning. ..
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            Boeing brought less.
      2. Altona 28 March 2020 15: 27 New
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        The Americans came, and with a foreign policy soldering iron they forced the Jews to take a penguin from Lockheed instead of an Eagle from a Boeing. What brutal.

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        Prior to this, forced to abandon their Lavi.
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          abandon his lavi.

          There is a separate question with Lavi, who forced them there. Why is the F-35 of the four available American aircraft stimulating Jews with a soldering iron, two from Boeing, two from LM?
          1. Altona 28 March 2020 17: 02 New
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            There is a separate question with Lavi, who forced them there.

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            Nevertheless, as a fact, there is no one flying, but there is an American flying one.
            1. Albert1988 28 March 2020 19: 10 New
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              Quote: Altona
              Nevertheless, as a fact, there is no one flying, but there is an American flying one.

              The money is also American, so there will never be one, but there will be American, bought with American money)))
    2. Alf
      Alf 28 March 2020 16: 58 New
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      There is such a thing as a foreign policy dictate

      For this there must be the will of the state.
  4. SOVIET UNION 2 28 March 2020 11: 24 New
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    Yes! We do not have a market called NATO! But once we had our own market! What is the moan about? The fact that NATO has deprived us of sight (of the market)? Or that we ourselves made hara-kiri? That is what we wanted in the market. Now we want a niche in the market! So, what are we going to do? Where to go smart and beautiful? And if smart and beautiful? Looking at the events, I do not get tired of being surprised! How could such stupid people ruin the USSR? Or are the cat Basilio and the fox Alice right? A fool doesn’t need a knife! You will lie to him from three boxes and do what you like with him!
  5. shahor 28 March 2020 13: 07 New
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    Quote: carstorm 11
    the penguin actually began to buy when there was also no series.

    So the Americans acted wisely; they offered to participate in the project. Almost all buyers of the penguin take part in its production, and some (Italy) collect it for themselves. Marketing, however ...
  • Hermit21 28 March 2020 09: 08 New
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    There is an export look - Su-57E
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      Is this this one? There is nothing more than carpets and Erdogan there
  • marchcat 28 March 2020 06: 48 New
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    I do not think that Su-57 advertising is needed at all. Let the surprise be better for the adversaries who decided to encroach on Russia.
    1. Altona 28 March 2020 07: 08 New
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      I do not think that Su-57 advertising is needed at all.

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      In the Soviet era, the USSR had a huge market in the form of ATS countries and the Third World, where he supplied his equipment, sometimes even for nothing, without investing in advertising. This market had a lot of flexible payment instruments, including clearing and barter transactions. Plus, the cost of manufacturing equipment was covered from many sources. Today, an enterprise can only rely on the customer’s money, and without money it can’t release anything. And now customers are stupidly threatened by sanctions if they buy Russian. So for now, this is the case.
      1. carstorm 11 28 March 2020 07: 12 New
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        all right. like NATO, primarily the state needs it as a market. essentially arranging horror stories and creating enemies, this market can be used for decades. created NATO standards and drove everything they wanted to sell into them.
    2. Vita vko 28 March 2020 07: 38 New
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      Quote: marchcat
      I do not think that Su-57 advertising is needed at all.

      It is no secret that as soon as the Su-57 gets exported, it will first fall into the hands of NATO intelligence. Therefore, provocative articles are extremely inappropriate.
      1. donavi49 28 March 2020 09: 28 New
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        S-400, Su-35, Mi-26M2 (which went for export, including Jordan, even earlier than the contract with the Ministry of Defense), boats of type 636 - which went to the Navy only when it became impossible to sell them for export, the customers ran out and there were no more new ones.
        1. Liam 28 March 2020 09: 38 New
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          Su-30s that got into their native Air Force 15 years later than abroad, and only got when interest in it almost disappeared over the hill
          1. donavi49 28 March 2020 09: 44 New
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            Yes. But the Su-30 is very different. MK / MK2 / M / M2 - very primitive (it is used in our country as the Su-27UB for new flying equipment). At that time, as MKI / MKA / MKM and the other sides of Irkut were just stuffed by the most unbearable for their time. SM - from here. However, MKI early serial and SM current differ significantly.

            Su-35 went for export, in almost the same configuration, and in parallel with deliveries for the Moscow Region.
            1. Liam 28 March 2020 09: 54 New
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              Far from the fact that export options with Talesov stuffing were worse than cm from Russian.
      2. Polente the Wanderer 28 March 2020 11: 11 New
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        stainless excuse ...
    3. Aaron Zawi 28 March 2020 09: 30 New
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      Quote: marchcat
      I do not think that Su-57 advertising is needed at all. Let the surprise be better for the adversaries who decided to encroach on Russia.

      Of course, the Su-57 will be a surprise, and 1500 nuclear warheads are for those who can "encroach" on the Russian Federation, of course little things are not worthy of attention. lol
    4. SOVIET UNION 2 28 March 2020 11: 48 New
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      If you recall the 90s, then the army, the Navy, the Air Force and the Strategic Missile Forces somehow (completely) did not prevent the change of order in the USSR! Not a single NATO tank invaded the territory of the USSR. Not a single NATO aircraft bombed the cities and factories of the USSR. Not a single NATO missile bombed anything on the territory of the USSR. Not a single soldier and NATO officer invaded the territory of the USSR. Now the question. What threat does NATO pose today? Is NATO a threat to Russia? Well, if NATO threatens Russia, then why do our citizens have citizenship of those countries, have accounts there, have property there, their relatives live there, and they themselves? If your neighbor threatens you, you keep your money from him, send him a wife, children, go to him yourself !? It is unclear who the guest of the yellow house is here? Those who accept or those who send? Why are there new models of weapons if the money goes in that direction by cars? To bomb your stocks? Do Russians dream of self-shooting? We pull gas flows to bomb them ourselves? Can anyone have a different opinion? Express it! Explain the logic of action!
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        Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
        Now the question. What threat does NATO pose today? Is NATO a threat to Russia? Well, if NATO threatens Russia, then why do our citizens have citizenship of those countries, have accounts there, have property there, their relatives live there, and they themselves?

        We have democracy and capitalism ... Damn him bloody ..
        Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
        If your neighbor threatens you, you keep your money from him, send him a wife, children, go to him yourself !? It is unclear who the guest of the yellow house is here? Those who accept or those who send? Why are there new models of weapons if the money goes in that direction by cars?

        The fifth column is still living in Russia, but they are not allowed into the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation yet, they realized what was happening .. and they are working hard for the idea and Russia!
        Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
        Do Russians dream of self-shooting? We pull gas flows to bomb them ourselves? Can anyone have a different opinion? Express it! Explain the logic of action!

        Well, what can I tell you .. WE DO NOT ALWAYS UNDERSTAND AND BE AFRAID OF MYSELF! laughing
        Or, as our classic said, “You cannot understand Russia and the territory cannot be measured!” ...
        We still live in the tank divisions of the Urals and Siberia, etc.
        Do not pour salt on the wounds of the heart .. And so poorly and the hand is looking for a saber and Mauser
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          Do not pour salt on the wounds of the heart .. And so poorly and the hand is looking for a saber and Mauser
          Bravo Sergeant Major Barracuda! bully
          . WE DO NOT ALWAYS UNDERSTAND AND BE AFRAID OF MYSELF!
          angry
  • Gennady Korsunov 28 March 2020 06: 49 New
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    The chicken in the nest egg yourself know where what chickens are talking about !!
  • Free wind 28 March 2020 07: 03 New
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    How can I buy something that is not?
    1. carstorm 11 28 March 2020 07: 08 New
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      Well, you tell this to everyone who buys f 35. The first serial took off in the year 11. and they started selling it much earlier. even if we exclude the fact that countries like England were invested in the creation. which in my opinion at the development stage 2.5 yards of money invested. Israel purchased for example in the 10th year. as you can see before the start of the series. we just do not know how to sell at the state level. Yes, and never knew how.
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      2. Amateur 28 March 2020 07: 18 New
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        and they started selling it much earlier.

        Well, those who abandoned the penguin
        1. SOVIET UNION 2 28 March 2020 12: 03 New
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          And whom has Russia already stripped of gas? Well, just interesting! Ukraine seems even paid! And so twice! First time loan. The second time just recently. laughing The EU seems to be also for sanctions, but Chersky seems about to hold out the pipe! Erdogan seems to have been given a stake in the gas, but he is somehow not happy! But the inhabitants of Russia can turn off the gas and at the expense of time! And the connection costs like a rocket launch! Why does Russia have such an enviable persistence to provide all neighbors with gas and score on the Russians? Russian gas to every home in Europe, and to figs to Russian !? Is paying in euros more profitable than paying in rubles? Well then, let’s pay in Euros in Russia too! What is the problem then? How to integrate into the global economy! How to pay, so in rubles! Who has schizophrenia? Who is the patient? Who will explain the course of the leadership of Russia? In whose interests does it work? Caring for the interests of foreigners is evident. Concerns about the interests of Russians are not visible at all. sad
          1. A.TOR 28 March 2020 15: 30 New
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            You all speak and think correctly, dear.
            Just do not get excited - take care of your nerves, they will come in handy for you. Watch calm
          2. EvilLion 30 March 2020 09: 08 New
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            Dill was thrown another bone, covering their Wishlist. They were not going to close the transit through them completely. As for gas in Russian homes, many do not need it, because they cook it on electricity, but Europe, unlike you, pays a lot. And change your profile picture, otherwise they will attach Soviet symbols, or a portrait of Stalin, and bear wild nonsense.
      3. Avior 28 March 2020 08: 31 New
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        But do not confuse, the F-35 is initially taken by those who somehow participated in the development, for them it is not just buying an airplane to which they had nothing to do.
        Plus, the States are able to convincingly persuade to participate.
        1. Blackmokona 28 March 2020 09: 21 New
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          And a number of countries that did not participate, but decided to buy later
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          Quote: Avior
          Plus, the States are able to convincingly persuade to participate.

          In fact, all countries of the world are divided into three categories: those who are allowed to sell the penguin, who are not allowed to sell the penguin, and who do not care about their aviation (eg Germany). Because a penguin, good or bad, is an industry standard. In the coming decades, everything new, primarily all new weapons, will be created for the penguin, and only secondarily will it integrate with other platforms.
        3. Alf
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          Quote: Avior
          f-35 is initially taken by those who somehow participated in the development,

          Poland also participated?
          1. Avior 28 March 2020 17: 04 New
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            The keyword "originally"
            But when hundreds of copies have already been released, other customers appear
            hi
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              Quote: Avior
              The keyword "originally"
              But when hundreds of copies have already been released, other customers appear
              hi

              It is truth too. Especially if some countries themselves are willing to pay for finding US bases on their territory. fool
  • parusnik 28 March 2020 07: 37 New
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    There is a proposal, but there is no demand ....
  • Aleks2000 28 March 2020 07: 43 New
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    All true.
    Although it seems like the general Stealth characteristics of F are in the open access.

    But soo no. as well as many other operational characteristics.
    And remembering that India tried to hand Su without the engines of the 2nd stage, without the stealth coating of the Lantern and the cabin (as later 50% of the stealth was recognized after a year); on skates, Su just learned to shoot and flies slowly, without sharp maneuvers -
    beyond the hill there are no fools, and for sure the avia-pros predict many other tricks that they might stumble on .....

    What kind of export is there?
    1. Blackmokona 28 March 2020 09: 22 New
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      The stealth characteristics of Efok on the network are a whole bunch, and differ from each other by 6 orders of magnitude
  • alekc75 28 March 2020 07: 49 New
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    the author and why do you need to sell over the hill ??? this is not oil and gas !! we ourselves need !! so that China starts to xer again ????
    1. Nikolaevich I 28 March 2020 08: 48 New
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      Quote: alekc75
      it is not oil and gas !! we ourselves need !! so that China starts to xer again ????
    2. donavi49 28 March 2020 09: 19 New
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      Among the profitable areas - the sale of food, energy, weapons (MTC) took third place in foreign exchange earnings. Putin
    3. Alf
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      Quote: alekc75
      the author and why do you need to sell over the hill ??? this is not oil and gas !! we ourselves need !! so that China starts to xer again ????

      If my memory serves me right, with the sale of Leopards-2 for a hillock, it was possible to almost halve its price for the Bundeswehr.
  • Lyapis 28 March 2020 08: 03 New
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    All the same, the Su-57 is not a chocolate bar, or there is a new smartphone model, so that without good advertising it will be lost in the market among many analogues. Interested buyers do not have such a large selection so as not to notice the "top" car from a well-known manufacturer.
    So the lack of demand for the Su-57 has some other reasons, in addition to the lack of a pathos photo shoot or promotional video. request
    1. Albert1988 28 March 2020 19: 25 New
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      Quote: Lyapis
      So the lack of demand for the Su-57 has some other reasons, in addition to the lack of a pathos photo shoot or promotional video.

      There is no car in the series, our own said that we still need to do the second stage engines, the armament is also at the test development stage, so no one takes it - everyone sees what kind of bondage the participation in the F-35 project is pouring in, and they fear the same , plus another car is not very cheap.
  • Sergey_G_M 28 March 2020 08: 26 New
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    But it seems to me that the problem is not in marketing and advertising.
    The United States certainly didn’t push its raw F-35s through advertising to its allies, the F-35 advertising is an excuse for politicians of the US allies to its taxpayers, the characteristics are not yet known as well as its combat potential.
    And for the Su-57, the international market is very limited, and most now do not understand why this expensive prodigy is needed when there are 4+ aircraft. Fifth-generation aircraft with their characteristics are more focused on suppressing air defense and gaining superiority in the air, cruising over-sound - i.e. attacking actions on a large front - in addition to the USA, China and the Russian Federation, by and large this is not necessary, well, no one is going to pay, except for those whom the Americans did not press to sponsor their defense industry.
    And yes, in advertising and beautiful pictures, we cry))
    1. Polente the Wanderer 28 March 2020 11: 16 New
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      The catch is also that the Yankees put radars with AFAR on their fourth-generation aircraft, and we have passive PFAR. They will notice us, and we will be confident that there is nobody around.
      1. Sergey_G_M 28 March 2020 11: 32 New
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        What are you talking about?
        Will the enemy turn on the airborne radar (AFAR) in active mode and they will not notice it? Now have Yankees and AFAR received stealth technology?
        Wow, damn it, it’s even becoming scary to live, what cool technology the Yankees have, now we’ll definitely die! )))
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          Quote: Sergey_G_M
          now we’ll die for sure! )))

          Yes, but not from that.
          Quote: Sergey_G_M
          Will the enemy turn on the airborne radar (AFAR) in active mode and they will not notice it?

          Firstly, yes, the AFAR has subtle operating modes, including active ones. Secondly, the fifth generation differs from the fifth generation not by all the nonsense described above, but by optimizing the entire appearance of the aircraft for work according to the hunter-killer (light-damage) scheme with AWACS. Thirdly, the Americans - and here they really are a generation ahead of everyone else - have already implemented the scheme distributed early warning - some penguins shine, other penguins use weapons. So the AN / APG-300 floodlight burning 81 km away from you does not mean that AMRAAM no longer flies to you from below the folds of the area where nothing was burning, and there it is.
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            Quote: Octopus
            AFAR has subtle operating modes, including active

            For the Central African Republic (digital anti-grid - a subspecies of the PAR), it does not matter what you think about your low activity .... It’s just that the light from you will be intermittent.
            Quote: Octopus
            Secondly, the fifth generation differs from the fifth generation not by all the nonsense described above, but by optimizing the entire appearance of the aircraft for work according to the hunter-killer (light-damage) scheme with AWACS.

            In this aspect, it is more advantageous to use passive headlights, which is present on most Russian fighters.
            Quote: Octopus
            AMRAAM no longer flies to you from below from the folds of the terrain

            From such troubles, there is a pair of OLS (optical optical station), which gives food for thought to the aircraft self-defense system.
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              Quote: Genry
              It’s just that the light from you will be intermittent.

              You have a confrontation with by that the enemy will pass in the clear sky, where you need to find one plane?
              Quote: Genry
              it is more profitable to use passive headlights, which is present on most Russian fighters.

              That, it turns out, is why VKS use PAR. Not because they can’t get the technology of the enemy 30 years ago, which even Indians require for new fighters in no alternative order.
              Quote: Genry
              which gives food for thought to the self-defense system of the aircraft.

              The aircraft’s self-defense system will have to think very well if it sees the RVV, but does not see the carrier.

              The alleged claim to G5 is exactly the same: the partners again, like 60 years ago, rely on DVB, believing that overwhelming superiority in DVB will make BVB impossible. 60 years ago, the partners were wrong. How it goes now - we'll see.
  • Avior 28 March 2020 08: 27 New
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    Honestly, it seems to me that the author exaggerates the importance of PR in such a specific area as the sale of military aircraft.
    It is highly doubtful that buyers would take lots of airplanes at the cost of a hundred million dollars apiece based on animated videos.
    Of course, it’s of some importance to give the right people to their feet, but it’s also not worth exaggerating what one seller can do, and the other can too. And they don’t make decisions on purchases alone, except in cases of some sort of dictator, but a bribe there will not help much.
    At the initial stage, the Closed Factor of technical characteristics should not be exaggerated either, the potential buyer will have to inform anyway, and he can check.
    The most important, in my opinion, at the initial stage of the sale, is the real successful operating experience.
    The buyer should understand that the aircraft is good not only in paper specifications, but also in normal operation reliability indicators.
    Not really the buyer wants to become a field for experiment.
    To do this, the aircraft must be armed, and normally show itself by the absence of flight accidents, disasters, childhood illnesses, a high percentage of aircraft in combat readiness, and so on, the buyer must be sure that he will not take a cat in a poke
    And only then the buyer will request additional data and so on.
    1. Sergey_G_M 28 March 2020 08: 42 New
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      I agree with you, but you can see the article was written by a person working in the marketing department who believes that advertising companies can greatly affect billions of dollars of contacts and linking the country's security to the supplier of equipment and spare parts for decades.
      Yes, we are weak in marketing, against US media with the European Union, Japan, etc. It’s hard to compete, but such systems are not bought on the basis of advertising in the media and beautiful commercials, officials and military countries of importers are not fools at all.
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    I 100% agree that they don’t buy a plane, because Do not want to buy a picture or layout. But - how many countries did the USSR buy HEAVY Fighter (interceptors), the same MiG -25? Algeria, Iraq, Libya, Syria - and that’s it! Everything else is LIGHT fighter aircraft of the MiG-21, 23, Su-17-22 families and a bit of the MiG-29, which in fact is no longer light. Yes, and among buyers of light former countries. ATS, the geopolitical influence of which is lost. The export success of the Su-27 family is due to its technical novelty and the desire of developing tigers to acquire advanced (relatively) at that time technologies for the development of their own aviation industry. And the Air Force and Air Defense already had more than 600 27s before the start of export. Plus, doubts about the availability of truly advanced technologies (I also have those, in particular insufficient thermal insulation of engines), possible problems with maintaining combat readiness according to a number of foreign media reports and, most likely, insufficient “flexibility” of financial proposals (however, they still have to be reached) ...
    1. EvilLion 30 March 2020 09: 10 New
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      I explain to you, many would buy an awesome Su-27, but the USSR simply did not sell it. As did not sell the air Su-15. Yeltsin’s special decree was required, allowing the sale of the Su-27, because in those conditions it was necessary for aircraft plants and design bureaus to somehow survive.
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        The contract with China on Su-27 was signed during the USSR, then negotiations were ongoing with Yugoslavia.
  • NEXUS 28 March 2020 09: 02 New
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    And do not forget that the Celestial Empire previously commissioned its own fifth-generation fighter J-20

    J-20 is not a 5th generation fighter from a word at all. There are not only big problems with stealth ...
    So, in January 2018, the Indian Su-30MKI airborne radar station (RLS) detected and tracked Chengdu J-20 fighters flying over Tibet.

    Also, the engines of this largest in its class fighter from its classmates have no engines that would give it cruising supersonic.
    One way or another, but without competent advertising, it is naive to count on success in a very narrow segment of military aircraft against the backdrop of civil aviation.

    So far, the SU-57 has not joined the troops. The engine of the second stage is also not yet on the serial machine. Plus, the arsenal for this platform is not fully implemented. And now, these fighters get a new property-work in tandem with strike UAVs. What kind of export are we talking about now? It is necessary to bring the car to mind, put on it everything that is created under it, break in, and then think about export.
    1. Hermit21 28 March 2020 09: 17 New
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      F-22 at the very beginning of his career generally had an extremely short assortment of weapons. Yes, and he was very raw. And nothing bought
      1. NEXUS 28 March 2020 09: 21 New
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        Quote: Hermit21
        F-22 at the very beginning of his career generally had an extremely short assortment of weapons. Yes, and he was very raw. And nothing bought

        F-22 never went for export! As for the purchase of the dinosaur by the American Air Force, it is their frequent practice to buy a raw car and finish it with the file already in the troops.
        The question is, why do we need such a practice?
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          No difference. The general "dampness" did not interfere with deliveries to combat units. I do not like the example with the F-22 - you can look at the F-35. An unfinished car with a limited range of weapons is actively flashed to foreign buyers. It seems to me that they want to supply the Su-57 to the troops and for export in a more finished form, which is why they delay it
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            Quote: Hermit21
            No difference. The general "dampness" did not interfere with deliveries to combat units.

            Well, let's put you in a damp car and see what happens? Mattresses can do anything ... at least to walk on their heads, but this does not mean that we should deal with the same idiocy. Since the days of the USSR, we have a different procedure and the very process of receiving a fighter platform into the troops.
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              Try to read the whole comment. Maybe you will see what I wrote about this in the last sentence
      2. Blackmokona 28 March 2020 09: 23 New
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        F-22 is forbidden to sell in the USA.
        Therefore, despite the abundance of comers, no one was sold to anyone in the United States.
    2. voyaka uh 28 March 2020 14: 28 New
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      "January 2018, the airborne radar station (radar) of the Indian Su-30MKI detected and tracked ..." ////
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      I would not have tracked it! In peacetime and over its territory, stealth fly with increasing
      EPR lenses. They are mounted both from below and from above, so that both ground-based and airborne radars receive
      many times the increased radio picture of the aircraft.
  • Hermit21 28 March 2020 09: 14 New
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    AL-41-1F is a synthesis of AL-31F and the "old" AL-41F and is 80% new. He is one of the best aircraft engines for fighter aircraft and in terms of specific parameters and chronologically much more progressive than the same F119. So, for reference. Another thing is that we need a fundamentally new engine. F119, by the way, was created on the basis of the F100, but something is not visible stinging comments that this is an upgrade of the engine from the 70s
  • Ovrag 28 March 2020 09: 19 New
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    Wow. Another expert on the site. He writes about air vents and about airplane sales.
    As already written. There is no finished car. The export version was not even started. And therefore, it is not even clear how much in the end it will all cost. And how much is the operation.

    And the countries that can swell the mountain of dough have already bought themselves for F35. Outside the brackets are only India and China. India has already fallen off. Again, did not agree on the price, plus our robust design so named stars for Indians about the line.
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      Quote: Ovrag
      Again, did not agree on the price, plus our robust design so named stars for Indians about the line.

      There is another point - the Indians wanted the same money for themselves a two-seater version and also the localization of production, which ours, of course, did not do ...
  • BAI
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    why no one buys a Su-57

    How can you buy what is not? Where is the mass production? Not a single buyer will agree to the conditions: "Give money, go ahead, and we can arrange production for you." Or maybe we won’t fix it.
  • NordUral 28 March 2020 09: 54 New
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    Bullshit, suggest what? And first you need to configure yourself.
  • Polente the Wanderer 28 March 2020 10: 34 New
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    In order to sell something or offer someone, you first need to learn how to (revive) build in series, and not 1 (2,3..10) aircraft per year. And provide your own air units.
  • Alecsandr 28 March 2020 10: 48 New
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    In the USSR, they first of all thought about their army. Effective "managers" think more about their wallet than their army. Traders have not yet shown outstanding results. Everything around and around.
  • Operator 28 March 2020 10: 55 New
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    Su-57 is not a serial aircraft, what kind of export can we talk about? Plus, new engines that provide long afterburning supersonic sound are still not ready.

    After the coronavirus pandemic, everyone will only have money to buy Po-2 laughing
  • Polente the Wanderer 28 March 2020 10: 56 New
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    F-35 Procurement Plans
    Versions A, B, C-2462,563,327. Total = 3352
    In the USA, there are already 243 aircraft of various modifications in parts. And only 76 aircraft are planned to be delivered to our air forces.
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      In the USA, it already stands in parts of 243 aircraft of various modifications

      ))
      No. More than 200 (already 285 like) of one modification, A, in the Air Force. Plus more than 100 V in the ILC, plus more than 50 C in the fleet.
  • ccsr 28 March 2020 11: 20 New
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    Author:
    Ilya Legat
    In fact, the answer to the question about the lack of interest in the Su-57 may lie on the surface.

    In my opinion, if you drop all sorts of speculation, there are only a few serious reasons why there are no orders for this aircraft so far.
    1. The lack of this aircraft in our armed forces, ie we do not have statistics on this aircraft, and no one wants to buy a pig in a poke, even if it is heavily advertised.
    2. The cost of the aircraft itself is quite possibly inaccessible to most countries of the world.
    3. The lack of a proven system for servicing this aircraft in our troops, i.e. there are no specialists who will need to learn foreigners.
    4. There are as yet no trained pilots in foreign armies to fly on it, and this will take time.
    5. And most importantly, our aircraft and the one that will be delivered abroad differ greatly in performance characteristics, and perhaps this is what scares off foreign buyers.
    I think that there are also a number of reasons, including the fact that not all the capabilities of this aircraft can be mastered by combatant pilots, although aviation specialists know better about them than me.
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      If there was serial production of a spent and even somewhat simplified Su-57E, I think a number of countries would have swung it, even in small quantities (4-6 pieces). Something like this: India, China, UAE, Brazil, Pakistan, Malaysia, Vietnam, Peru, Egypt, Algeria, Iran, Iraq. These are those who are able to pay.
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        Quote: marat2016
        If there were serial production of a spent and even somewhat simplified Su-57E, I think a number of countries would have swung it,

        I agree with this, but we should at least arm a couple of regiments with such airplanes, so that all military experts make sure that this will be our basic equipment.
        Quote: marat2016
        These are those who are able to pay.

        Most likely we will give them a loan for the purchase of equipment under their state guarantees, well, and then they will return it to us - in my opinion now everyone does this when they sell expensive equipment.
  • Stalllker 28 March 2020 11: 27 New
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    At the time, the T-90 was also in the series and in the army, but at the same time it was sold. Youth, you at least google the topic slightly
    1. Zaurbek 28 March 2020 11: 41 New
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      T90-development T72 .... with many of the same systems ... and the main weapons.
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        With everything with other "systems." Although they have similarities, they are two different tanks.
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          Nevertheless, the main working body 125mm and ammunition alone .... and diesel too.
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      T-90, this is by chance not the T-90 that they slipped in the end ... As far as we know, the real T-90 should have been different.
  • Zaurbek 28 March 2020 11: 40 New
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    No one will buy a plane that is not in service in their country .... even the F35 is taken in parallel both in the USA and among the allies
  • Ros 56 28 March 2020 11: 54 New
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    What nonsense, the most important advertisement for a fighter is the downed enemy planes. stop fellow negative
  • shoroh 28 March 2020 12: 33 New
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    There is nothing wrong with the fact that the su-57 is not sold abroad. And it’s very bad that the army of the Russian Federation does not have this vehicle in sufficient quantity. What difference will they buy or not, if a war happened, our Su-30 fighters, the Su-35 will face the F-35 which is already NATO’s rampart
    1. Berg berg 28 March 2020 13: 52 New
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      The shaft is full, but they can’t fly normally, the plywood is stratified in flight and all the flyers shake from fear, sitting in 35 coffins.
  • Igor E. 28 March 2020 13: 18 New
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    BECAUSE EXCEPT PROPAGANONES IT IS NOT WHO WHO NEEDS ... BECAUSE IT IS SIMPLY NOT AVAILABLE! ...
  • Zabvo 28 March 2020 13: 42 New
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    Probably because there’s nothing else to buy. The sense of it, even when they finish years through X in piece copies, nor what.
  • Berg berg 28 March 2020 13: 49 New
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    Because no one was selling! That's when they create the SU-57E cut in half, then it goes for sale.
  • voyaka uh 28 March 2020 14: 21 New
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    "The new Gripen appeared in the fifth generation, while the aircraft does not reach the combat capabilities even to the Dassault Rafale or Eurofighter Typhoon generation 4 + (+)." ///
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    This is debatable. The Swedes pretty "pulled" their car avionics. And he went up too
    decently. With Rafal, he definitely competes on equal terms.
  • Fishery 28 March 2020 14: 57 New
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    well, and who needs it, the Indians could buy, that's all ... the rest is quite enough for their needs 4+, well, and the elves will buy European or American products.
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    Maybe, while there is still an opportunity, it is worth trying the Su-57 in Syria? It is difficult to imagine a more successful training ground for new equipment, in fact, ideal conditions. It will be possible to obtain data on real indicators of stealth, not only the Su-57, but also the American F-35 or F-22 Raptor, not to mention the F-16. Maybe after such a demonstration it will turn out to start selling Su-57 for export? In a word, a real check is needed. Talk about TTX will not convince in superiority. Just look at the example of the Pantsir-C1 air defense missile system, which now has an export potential below zero.
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      In fact, it’s good that the shell went through such a run-in. The next version will take into account the experience in Syria.
  • Whirlwind 28 March 2020 16: 58 New
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    It was clearly said that no export. Deliveries only to the Russian Aerospace Forces.
  • magadan72 28 March 2020 17: 31 New
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    Hello ! Another article about SU-57 has been released. I’m interested in answers to several questions:
    Will the "stealth" (ours and theirs) be visible when it turns on the AFAR radar? If you see the meaning of the "stealth" ?! An attack with the locator turned off without external guidance is nonsense!? It’s worth knocking down the DLRO plane and that’s all !? The locators are turned on and not the "stealth" !? Then why put a very expensive locator on the insanely expensive "stealth"!
    It may be better to have SU-35S type air fighters with super locators and SU-57 stealth drums with emphasis on optical and external guidance systems and conventional locators !? (much cheaper than such a tandem with the same efficiency ..) Well and still interesting, "stealth" is a "stealth" from all angles or only in the forehead !?
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      Quote: magadan72
      Will the "stealth" (ours and theirs) be visible when it turns on the AFAR radar?

      Yes, but modern AFARs have modes that make identification difficult.
      Quote: magadan72
      If you see the meaning of the "stealth" ?!

      Disruption of target retention during the transition from a large radar to a missile seeker.
      Quote: magadan72
      it’s worth knocking down the DLRO plane and that's it

      Worth it. But few people succeed.
      Quote: magadan72
      Then why on the insanely expensive stealth

      It is precisely after that, from the 80s that the Air Force of the first row is trying to use external guidance. Then it was not a stealth, but simply the flight of shock machines below the radio horizon.
      Quote: magadan72
      put a very expensive locator

      So that the aircraft itself could work as an early warning aircraft and transmit information to other aircraft, in which the locators are turned off. Well, and much more for what.
      Quote: magadan72
      It might be better to have SU-35S type air fighters with super locators and SU-57 stealth drums

      On the contrary. A raptor as a control aircraft, Needles as shock drones air-to-air. As for the videoconferencing, nothing is known about their successes in the field of network-centricity.
      Quote: magadan72
      "stealth" is a "stealth" from all angles or only in the forehead !?

      Reduced visibility due to coverage - from all sides, due to low EPR - from individual angles.
  • evgen1221 28 March 2020 19: 25 New
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    Why doesn’t anyone take this? -We did one airplane, we are under sanctions and are afraid to deal with us, and the airplane was the very first one to break down, and even in its army there are none and there is no data on childhood illnesses. the pipelatsi forcefully drives the countries to the west and the rest do not need it; and indeed there is no reason why nobody takes it? Or maybe we’ll do it first? When they get married, they usually first sleep with their wife and not offer the whole entrance. (This is to the competence of (our) hands of leaders.
  • Jack O'Neill 28 March 2020 20: 24 New
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    When the export modification of the Su-57 is ready, almost the entire market will be under Lightning, and all sorts of rogues will remain for us.
    We could not even realize the export potential of the Su-35, which is much cheaper and ready. What can I talk about here?
    Alright, I'll go watch 12 Days / Weeks later. Cool, documentary. I advise!
  • Knell wardenheart 28 March 2020 22: 41 New
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    Suppose for a moment that with many of our latest designs “judging by the view from the side” (and not by peppy interior lighting) - not everything is as good as we would like. You can call it in different ways, and, of course, this is the share of the information war of our neighbors on the planet and the arms market, however, judge for yourself: the “Shell” is the latest system - and it’s not the first time they have been stuffed it revealingly and rather unpleasantly. Why is it only her new ..
    “Armata” (the one that died of roofing felts at the parade, roofing felts at the rehearsal, can’t even be remembered) took part in PR of herself and quietly left for the sunset (and from the news bulletins where “Breakthrough” replaced her).
    "Relight" "peresvetil" with its bulk in a pair of static clips and also - silence.
    “Vanguard”, “Dagger”, “Poseidon” - all these are of course weapons of a different kind and attitude to secrecy, but the problem is the same - the question of their real effectiveness is also an acute issue - and after all, these are the fruits of our new technologies.
    Perhaps potential buyers experience some distrust because of this. Perhaps due to the fact that our aircraft began to fall often. Perhaps due to the fact that our capabilities in serial production of airplanes - let's say, are not impressive (when compared with other great powers, of the Corse) - but few people want to wait for their airplanes constantly shifting deadlines ..
    There is also a not so obvious, but in my opinion a very important point - and what% of foreign components in the Su-57? Perhaps there is one, and few people want to get involved with a product whose production chains will be spread between several countries and, say, Chinese electronics. I’ll emphasize once again that this is just one of thoughts.

    Finally a stealth cover. We all remember the first American "stealth", F-22, F-35, the same Chinese crafts, Japanese prototypes, etc. - all of them are beautiful "Teflon" cars, without these cog-bolts, rivets, which our handsome even in the photo Number 2 in this article. Few people want to get involved with yet another dumb Russian technology, the remains of which are strewn with the expanses of our country, and which can either “shoot” or bend silently without further development. I do not claim that our "stealth" is bad - but let's just say it is NOT visible. And visually, our plane, with all the beauty and aesthetics of the contours - does not look like invisible counterparts, which, coupled with secrecy and a leisurely release - and this gives the very lack of demand.
  • voyaka uh 28 March 2020 23: 30 New
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    When the Su-57 becomes serial, then buyers will appear.
    (after the end of the world crown crisis, of course).
  • Alt-right 29 March 2020 01: 19 New
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    Quote: Pessimist22
    So you probably need to put into service, do yourself more than a hundred, put the engine of the second stage and customers will appear.

    I also hope so. If you really dream about such things, then here we must also remember about plans to make a ship version of this aircraft!)
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    It seems like the car wants to say that if no one buys a new plane, it means that it failed. And why should you immediately sell a new plane? Well, someone said something there about the export potential ... so what?
  • Mikhail Drabkin 29 March 2020 06: 50 New
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    Primary factors:
    - not in service with Russia,
    - “raw” product,
    - negative PR of competitors.
    - And the sanctions practice of Washington - Turkey and India has enough problems with the C400 (and these are highly-demanded systems), and the Su-57 belongs to the category of "interesting, but not necessary."
  • Military_schkolnik 29 March 2020 12: 11 New
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    I think that the Su-57 will be brought to mind for a long time to come. It is possible that while it will be in service with us, mass production of 6th generation fighters will already begin abroad.
  • Mikhail3 29 March 2020 12: 16 New
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    Why not buy? There are several reasons for this. Firstly, our aircraft industry demonstrated not just a low, but, let’s say, negative level of aircraft maintenance and repair systems. In an effort to more reliably destroy the domestic passenger aircraft industry, our "responsible comrades" hit the Jet Jet service so hard that the waves would diverge for decades.
    Secondly, in peacetime, military aircraft, of course, are not built for war. The main purpose of building such is to enable the greatest number of those involved to enrich themselves. Why is f 35 so popular? And on it, not only the American military-industrial complex and individual representatives of the authorities raised absolutely fantastic amounts, but also in countries around the world, military and politicians heated their hands on the allocation by their countries of gigantic (by the standards of these countries) amounts.
    More than sure that the Indians came out of cooperation for this reason. The Russians got stuck, reluctantly put some bribes, small by the standards of the project, and started to build a plane! Are you crazy ?! They should have built a couple of hangars in India, brought in scrap metal under the guise of equipment, and quietly divided Indian money among themselves, the Indian government and the Indian military. Yes, the project will drag on for 20 years. So what? This will allow for many consecutive years to drain additional appropriations.
    And all further strictly in the same spirit. Much more can be said, but the point is precisely in this - the Russians do not understand what the "release of advanced weapons systems" is all over the world.
  • rruvim 29 March 2020 13: 45 New
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    SU-57, sincerely, this is a breakthrough in the aircraft industry, this is really a serious project. And in everything. The F-22 had such a breakthrough, but it was not interesting for a long time, especially to the F-22 processors. Something is secret, something is not, but the SU-57 computers have an order of magnitude more performance and EM resistance than even the F-35. At the same time, the absence of STELS technologies at the 57th is quite justified; new radars based on optical-photon technologies will “bury" the entire idea of ​​STELS technologies. Spending money on polymers and coatings will not make sense. It’s necessary to “close” the engine nozzles, because most of the explosives produced in the world are still based on the control of the seeker, as an IU, and not a radar. But the SU-57, if they deliver the engines of the 2nd stage, is able to get away from the launched explosive rockets in super-fast (cruising supersonic should be so). Questions only to the pilots. The “typewriter” can take itself out of attack, but what will happen to the pilot as a result? The Americans still cannot solve this with their F-22s.
  • aiden 29 March 2020 15: 34 New
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    I have a question, but is there already an export modification? If she is not, then who will buy this plane
  • Fmax 29 March 2020 16: 38 New
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    In addition to the fact that he simply does not exist (which everyone spoke about in chorus here), it’s worth adding about the concept of a large heavy fighter, which nobody needs in the current conditions (well, naturally, except for those who were going to defend their country from the countries of the nuclear club). For sluggish conflicts with the broads or a demonstration of "military power", most cheap planes of 4 generations without any pluses, stealth and AFAR radars are enough for most. The only thing that could really sell the RF is the instant 35. But they have been trying to bring it to mind for 20+ years with a complete lack of funds, and put as many as 6 into the arsenal in the distant bright future.
    And do not consider China and India as countries that want to buy the 5th generation. To the last, China will try to release its own (which they most likely will succeed), and India, realizing that it will not pull out its own production at the given moment in the process of joint work on PAK FA, will look for cheap options for accumulating technologies and production capacities, which makes acquiring rafal.
  • Diviz 29 March 2020 17: 24 New
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    And who buit buy an export option. You buy an inflatable tank.
  • Nick 29 March 2020 17: 53 New
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    Auto RU. Why make commercials if the Su-57 is not for sale? Therefore, it is not for sale, because it is not sold in foreign markets. The domestic Su-57 is for sale. It is known that the RF Ministry of Defense ordered 76 cars.
  • Petrol cutter 29 March 2020 19: 24 New
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    Damn him, gentlemen and ladies. For some reason I always thought that the task of the weapon was to protect me and kill as many of the enemy as possible.
    If the new airplane satisfies these theses, then I don’t give a damn with a high bell-buy it there in the world or not ...