TsAGI has blown up the model of the promising transport aircraft "Elephant"

The first cycle of aerodynamic testing of the model of the promising heavy transport aircraft "Elephant", developed as a replacement for the An-124 "Ruslan", was carried out by TsAGI specialists.

Specialists of the Zhukovsky Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute purged a model of a promising aircraft in a wind tunnel, thereby confirming the design characteristics that were determined at the design stage. Checks were carried out in a wind tunnel of variable density T-106 at an air flow rate of 0,2 to Mach 0,85. The second model of the aircraft was apparently purged, since the first, assembled at TsAGI at the end of last year, was without tail unit.

As previously reported, the design of the latest transport aircraft "Elephant" began in 2016 by order of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia. The project involves the creation of an airplane according to the high-plan scheme with the possibility of loading through the bow. The data on carrying capacity vary - from 150 to 180 tons, flight range up to 7 thousand kilometers, speed - up to 850 km / h. Four new PD-35 turbofan engines with take-off thrust of 343,2 kilonewton should be installed on the aircraft.

It is known that the length of the new transporter will be 82,3 meters, height - 24 meters, and the wingspan - from 87,1 to 88,3 meters, depending on the version. The maximum take-off weight of a promising transporter will be from 490 to 499 tons, and the empty mass - 214 or 222 tons. In the future, he should replace the An-124 Ruslan transport aircraft.

Comments

[Thrifty]

Hopefully it will get a better name over time. For elephants do not fly, but "what you call a yacht, so it will float" - said not yesterday, but said correctly!

[Aviator_]

Well, there was the An-22, called "Antaeus", although the mythological Antaeus Hercules won, tearing him off the Earth - death came to him after being lifted into the air. Also more than an unfortunate name for an aircraft.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Aviator_

mythological Anthea Heracles defeated, tearing him from the Earth.

He had the good fortune to serve on the S-300V named "Antey". That's a very apt name. The enemy will lift off the ground, fly enjoying his domination and clap. Two enemy missiles get up on the course.

[Aviator_]

In your version, the name of the concern that produces the air defense systems is just the case - Antei took power from the Earth (Gaia, in ancient Greek), tried to keep in touch with her all the time. These are the systems that land the aircraft, in full accordance with the Ancient Greeks.

[Shurik70]

Why was the plane "belly up" depicted?
It must be so.

[Rusticolus]

Is not a fact. From the point of view of aerodynamics, he does not care, at least put it sideways. Perhaps there are some reasons why it is easier to mount in limbo. And if you hang it correctly, then the vertical tail will be in the aerodynamic shadow of the mounting rack. So it may well be that the picture is correct.

[Aviator_]

In wind tunnels, model tests are carried out at various angles, these are the angles of attack, slip and roll. For the tail holder of the model (usually there are used tensile weights) the position of the model can be any. On belt scales, the model is always installed upside down. In the T-106 (the pipe was commissioned in 1943), the working part is made under the belt suspension.

[Artunis]

That no one would have guessed.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Thrifty

For elephants do not fly

And crocodiles fly, think ...

[Frol]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: Thrifty

For elephants do not fly

And crocodiles fly, think ...

And they showed themselves well in Afghanistan ...

[Shuttle]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: Thrifty

For elephants do not fly

And crocodiles fly, think ...

Yes Yes Yes...

In 86, I ended up in the SA in Belarus, in tank training in the Furnace near Borisov. And even then there was definitely a joke about flying crocodiles. Without any hint, he spoke with a Little Russian, or perhaps a Belarusian reprimand. I write as I remember him since.
- Comrade ensign, and comrade warrant officer, but what about crocodiles?
- Nі, do not pour!
- And the axis is Comrade Major.
- What !? ... Well, yes, literary ... Ale is so low, low.
- Ні! Vin kazav scho yak rocket!
- Yak ...?! ... Ah, yes, yes ... Yes, a little slumber. And potim yak rocket! ...

[Thrifty]

Shuttle- "There is a grave of a soldier in the Belarusian Stoves! The shovel did not die from a bullet!" He was there in 87! I remember working at the famous Borisov match factory !!!

[mintai_kot]

Do Belarusians have such a tradition? Pinsk - training of the Navy behind the fence ...., like a speech factory

[John22]

There was another answer. Yes, crocodiles fly, but only in wartime and low, low!

[svp67]

Quote: NEXUS

And crocodiles fly, think ...

But "Kasatka" was not so lucky ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: NEXUS

And crocodiles fly, think ...

"Crocodile", however, is a popular name, but there are "Alligator" and "Cayman", which, in principle, are one and the same animal. They fly well.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: NEXUS

And crocodiles fly, think ...

Yes, we have cow are flying. No, not the ones in "Features ..", but these:

[Alexey RA]

PS I can not resist the classics:

[orionvitt]

Quote: NEXUS

And crocodiles fly, think about it ..

And sharks too, but only black. Who would have thought.

[K-612-O]

Tilki nizenko

[vkl.47]

I saw this layout. I work there. Not an ordinary glider.

[Frol]

Quote: vkl.47

I saw this layout. I work there. Not an ordinary glider.

Could you give a more detailed look at what this bird is and what are the prospects for mass production ..? If not a secret of course ..

[vkl.47]

Quote: Frol

Quote: vkl.47

I saw this layout. I work there. Not an ordinary glider.

Could you give a more detailed look at what this bird is and what are the prospects for mass production ..? If not a secret of course ..

Who will tell me such electroplating info)) this is a limited circle in the course. I will say that there are other gliders. Look like main and cargo. The rest is state secret.

[Frol]

Quote: vkl.47

Quote: Frol

Quote: vkl.47

I saw this layout. I work there. Not an ordinary glider.

Could you give a more detailed look at what this bird is and what are the prospects for mass production ..? If not a secret of course ..

Who will tell me such electroplating info)) this is a limited circle in the course. I will say that there are other gliders. Look like main and cargo. The rest is state secret.

Well, thank you for saying that, then everything is serious .... It’s better not to chat and wait for the first experimental

[vkl.47]

Quote: Frol

Quote: vkl.47

I saw this layout. I work there. Not an ordinary glider.

Could you give a more detailed look at what this bird is and what are the prospects for mass production ..? If not a secret of course ..

Who will tell me such electroplating info)) this is a limited circle in the course. I will say that there are other gliders. Look like main and cargo. The rest is state secret.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Frol

If not a secret of course.

Yes, of course a secret. Then, when there is at least a model, then we may be shown something. And, as usual, what can be shown. I do not think that in the military-industrial complex there are such boobies that, at the request of VO users, they will post the performance characteristics of the projected equipment in all sorts of "morphological books".

[Frol]

Quote: Piramidon

I do not think that in the military-industrial complex there are such boobies that, at the request of VO users, they will post the performance characteristics of the projected equipment in all sorts of "morphological books".

I just checked how serious it is .. If I started to chat, it means bullshit .. I answered grammatically (in secret), but do not mind pampering ..

[sedoj]

Quote: vkl.47

I saw this layout. I work there.not an ordinary glider.

Yes Yes. Especially if the picture is upside down:

[Invoce]

Quote: Thrifty

Hopefully it will get a better name over time. For elephants do not fly, but "what you call a yacht, so it will float" - said not yesterday, but said correctly!

Well, "crocodiles" and "alligators" fly! In Russia, the Elephant can fly ... There would be a magic pendel ... and you need to kick it purposefully. But this is a joke so-so ... The name will be euphonious, and since the plane is not a combat, but a military transport, the name will be neutral or epic (Ilya Muromets, Dobrynya, Peresvet or something else)

[codetalker]

But what about Dumbo?)))

[antivirus]

so she will float "- said not yesterday, but said correctly
-this is something else to get minuses, and minusers do not allow to say otherwise. In their opinion, only a few do-it-yourself hands in the country, only a teaspoon is added to the bottomless barrel of power of Russia.
and for amers by the ladle, immediately an aircraft carrier or 1% of EU GDP, defense spending is growing

[cost]

I hope that the name will be given to him better in time. For elephants do not fly

But the Indians will immediately "fall" on this name. So, this aircraft has export potential

[pafegosoff]

The Boeing 747 was called Jumbo.

[Vladimir_2U]

"Mammoth" is more logical!

[Shuttle]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

"Mammoth" is more logical!

"Gorynych" or "Seraphim". Neither mammoths nor elephants fly.
Seraphim, if anything, are six-winged angels closest to God.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Shuttle

"Gorynych" or "Seraphim". Neither mammoths nor elephants fly.

But at least they were real. And the mammoth was also found in our open spaces, unlike the elephant.

[Paul Siebert]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Quote: Shuttle

"Gorynych" or "Seraphim". Neither mammoths nor elephants fly.

But at least they were real. And the mammoth was also found in our open spaces, unlike the elephant.

Oddly enough, Volodya in the vastness of our country in ancient times, long before the mammoths trogonterium elephants were found - the ancestors of all trunk ...
So Russia is also the birthplace of elephants ...

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Paul Siebert

trogonterium elephants were found - the ancestors of all trunk ...

I am glad for your knowledge in paleontology, no, I am proud of you!

[knn54]

Dmitry, "Seraphim" is ALSO a Greek word ...

[marshes]

Quote: knn54

Dmitry, "Seraphim" is ALSO a Greek word ...

The main thing that the Enochian language would not be recognized as the progenitor of the Russian language.

[Shuttle]

Quote: knn54

Dmitry, "Seraphim" is ALSO a Greek word ...

Well yes. I do not propose a language, but a category t.s. ability to fly.

[marshes]

A Th photo overhead.

[Vladimir_2U]

This is some kind of specific purge, I saw a photo many times where the models are upside down, I don’t know why.

[marshes]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

This is a specific purge, I saw a photo many times where the models are upside down, I don’t know why.

By the way, it’s interesting, maybe someone will explain.
Just assume that the dye will not be affected by gravity ..

[Aerolab]

It doesn't matter how the model is installed in the pipe. Upside down is just easier to attach to the aerodynamic weights. And the scales work differently. Roughly speaking, either tension or compression. I don't remember exactly how the scales work in the T-106.

[Aviator_]

This is the so-called "pipe" position of the model. Since the tests take place on a belt scale (they measure the forces and moments acting on the model), in order to eliminate the influence of backlash (the weight and lifting force act downward), the readings are taken exactly in this position.

[The leader of the Redskins]

I don't even know what to comment on. Although, however, there is nothing to comment on. Probably, at one time they thought about "Ruslan" as not possible. It's just that, watching the latest turmoil in our aviation industry, I don’t want to shout and clap our hands ... But I don’t want to talk about everything ...

[Paul Siebert]

It’s strange to see a transport model upside down ...
Or was the photo incorrectly placed?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Paul Siebert

It’s strange to see a transport model upside down ...
Or was the photo incorrectly placed?

Well, it's in the pipe. There it makes no difference how to post. The main thing is to take readings.

[Aviator_]

Correctly posted photo. I wrote above about this. For sampling backlash during weight tests.

[Shuttle]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Quote: Shuttle

"Gorynych" or "Seraphim". Neither mammoths nor elephants fly.

But at least they were real. And the mammoth was also found in our open spaces, unlike the elephant.

A "Peresvet" epic character
And "Boreas" is the Greek deity of the north wind.
And "Antaeus" is the son of Poseidon, literally - "rebelled against".
And "Cube", "Square" and "Thor" are generally geometric shapes.
And Ruslan’s name is my comrade.
And mammoths became extinct, and elephants are bald mammoths (joke).
Where is the logic?

[marshes]

Quote: Shuttle

Where is the logic?

It is hinted that it is time to transfer to the Turkic names, and the Greeks are protesting.
This is how reality looks, and Russia, from the observers of TURKPA, will become a sovereign member.

[Igor Borisov_2]

And how could the drone be called "Altius" if from Latin altius means "above"? Is he flying the highest, or what?

Translated from Latin: Citius, altius, fortius ("cytius, altius, fortius") means "Faster, higher, stronger." This is also the motto of the modern Olympic movement and the Olympic Games since 1913

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Shuttle

And mammoths became extinct, and elephants are bald mammoths

Well, "Bald Mammoth" is too much, even for domestic onomastics.

[Lord of the Sith]

CBT in general "Buratino"))

No need to look for logic where its absence is planned))
This is so that the enemy did not guess))

[maverick5334]

But nothing that somehow legs grow this photo has from Lockheed C-5 Galaxy?
Who screwed up? The author of the article? The article itself? Myth?

[viktorR]

Well, the photo was turned over, people won’t notice, people pick it up :)

[Thunderbolt]

In the future, it should replace the An-124 Ruslan transport aircraft.

And to surpass. The comm.load of "Ruslan" is 120 tons. The "Elephant" has 180 tons.

[cherkas.oe]

Neither the drawings of the machine itself, nor the engines on it yet, but were already weighed in the pipe. So twenty years will have to wait for this car. Some of us will never see her at work, but it's a pity.

[Zaurbek]

The drawings were ....

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: cherkas.oe

cherkas.oe (Oleg) 4 Today, 16:52
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Neither the drawings of the machine itself, nor the engines on it yet, but were already weighed in the pipe. So twenty years will have to wait for this car. Some of us will never see her at work, but it's a pity.

About five years ago, I wrote that the PAK FA with the engines of the second stage we will see by the 25th year and also a minuscule minus without any opposition - the story repeats itself, people do not want to accept the realities.

[Albachino]

So on YouTube I saw drying with a second-generation engine. On the right is the first-straight edge of the nozzle. On the left of the second generation, the nozzle edges are wavy, well, like a sine wave

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: AlBachino

On YouTube, I saw drying with a second-generation engine.

I also saw this is only the first stage of testing, there are not even two of them in LL. Now, when, as a result of these tests, they make changes, they will deliver the second one and test it again, then there will be a pre-production batch that will be put on experimental cars and will be driven again, then the engine will go into series and production cars, and this is exactly 2025. +, -.

[Zaurbek]

About PD 35, something was quiet, what is the news?

[Vadim237]

By 2025 they promise to make a demonstrator.

[Alexander Seklitsky]

I understand that this will be a cross between An 124 and An 225

[Zaurbek]

It is necessary to calculate by turbojet engine ... 4h35tn ...... D18T how much traction?

[Alexander Seklitsky]

The D18T has a thrust of about 24 tons. It has a lifting capacity of 120 tons. And here from 150-180. And the empty weight is more

[Zaurbek]

6x24tn = 144tn and 4x35 = 140tn it turns out at the level of Mriya will be

[Alexander Seklitsky]

The mriya has a take-off weight of about 600 tons. The elephant is supposed to have 500. The wing span and fuselage length are the same as the An 225. I wonder how much such a giant is in demand. Wouldn't it be better to do a little less, but with two front 35

[Zaurbek]

With two, it’s just not enough .. there is an IL476 with 4x16t PS90 ... now he can have a new wing + 2pcs

[Sky strike fighter]

And what is the point of making an airplane with such a carrying capacity (with two PD-35s), since there are already 476 tons of carrying capacity in the IL-60 series?
There should be a line of transport vehicles IL-112 (6 tons), IL-276 (20 tons), IL-476 (60 tons) and Elephant (180 tons), if wisely. Each of the vehicles of the next class in carrying capacity should exceed the previous one This parameter is 3 times.

[Zaurbek]

Do IL476 with 2xPD35 what will be the GP? One way or another, more than one modernization awaits him ... maybe we will also see such a version.

[Sky strike fighter]

An elephant should replace both An 124 and An 225. It is commendable. The main thing is that the project be brought to its logical conclusion in the form of a promising machine ready for operation.

The Elephant aircraft project is aimed at researching the technologies of a promising transport aircraft to replace the An-124 Ruslan Soviet heavy long-range transport aircraft. This aircraft will be designed to transport heavy and bulky goods at a range of about seven thousand kilometers at a speed of 850 km / h. The required length of the runway is three kilometers. The maximum payload is 180 tons (for comparison, the An-124 has 120 tons). "Elephant" is designed for Russian perspective dual-circuit turbofan engines PD-35. The work is carried out under the state contract with the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation as part of the research project "Technology-Transport 2021".

http://in24.org/technology/39070

[Alexander Seklitsky]

The main thing is that the engine drivers can. The rest is all solvable.

[Imperial Technocrat]

Mommy simpotyaga

[John22]

According to the project, the Elephant is smaller than Mriya, a little.

[Angestyr]

And why is the photo in the article upside down?

[Vadim237]

Because this is how tests are carried out on the scales.

[dauria]

The second model of the aircraft was apparently purged, since the first, assembled at TsAGI at the end of last year, was without tail unit.

Well, once you have decided on the tail - there will be a car. And the tail is classic, like everyone else.
So they decided not to be silly. It may be funny, but this is really the most important part of the plane. Make the right shoulder with the right area of ​​GO and VO, of sufficient strength and preferably weightless ... Then the nose is shorter, and with a mass spacing there are fewer problems, and with centering. Oh, to live. Yes, believe that young people are not from the Rogozins alone. Good luck. Remember the main thing
WINGS, LEGS ,,, MAIN - TAIL !!!!

[lvov_aleksey]

Quote: Thrifty

Hopefully it will get a better name over time. For elephants do not fly, but "what you call a yacht, so it will float" - said not yesterday, but said correctly!

Did Ruslans fly ?!

[lvov_aleksey]

Quote: Shurik70

Why was the plane "belly up" depicted?
It must be so.

you do not understand, try to turn it in the air by 180 degrees and do not break the blades))))))))))))))

[lvov_aleksey]

Quote: John22

According to the project, the Elephant is smaller than Mriya, a little.

only Mriya does not fly)))))

[Sky strike fighter]

Mriya flies in the singular. Even modernized it recently.

[Nikolai Korovin]

Alligator is also a good name for an aircraft.
"-Comrade foreman, do crocodiles fly?
- That neither crocodiles do not bark.
- And Comrade Colonel said they were flying ...
- Well, crocodiles, of course, lyatayut, but nizenko-nizenko ... "

[lvov_aleksey]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Mriya flies in the singular. Even modernized it recently.

for a long time she flies already alone, although she fled again, and then what? How's our landfill Buran?