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Tons against fighting qualities. Russian Navy against the backdrop of the largest fleets

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Aircraft carrier USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN-69) US Navy. US Navy Photos


The program for building new ships and upgrading existing ones is paying off. To date, the Russian Navy is again one of the largest and most powerful on the planet. At the same time, it differs in a number of parameters from the Navy of other developed states, which determines the differences in combat potential and capabilities.

Quantitative indicators


Last year, the American organization Center for International Maritime Security (CIMSEC) published interesting statistics on the largest naval forces in the world. The fleets of Russia, China and the USA were in the "top 3". It turned out that they all differ markedly both in the number of pennants and in other indicators.

The leader in quantitative terms is the PLA Navy. They include 624 combat units. In second place was Russia with 360 ships, submarines and boats. The US Navy slightly lags behind it - 333 pennants. Thus, we are talking about quantitative parity between Russia and the United States, however, both countries in this regard almost lose twice the PRC.

Tons against fighting qualities. Russian Navy against the backdrop of the largest fleets


The total number and total displacement of the three fleets of the world according to Center for International Maritime Security

However, the calculation of the payroll does not reveal a lot of questions. CIMSEC also compared the total displacement of warships. In the first place were the United States with 4,6 million tons. They are followed by China and its 1,82 million tons. The Russian Navy closed the top three - 1,2 million tons. This demonstrates serious differences in the structure of the combat structure and ship classes.

It’s easy to calculate that the average unit fleet The United States has a displacement of 13,9 thousand tons, for Russia this figure is almost 3,8 thousand tons, and for the PRC almost reaches 3 thousand tons. These figures even better reveal the features of military shipbuilding and the structure of the fleets of the three countries.

Fleet differences


The general and average indicators demonstrate the general features of the development of the fleets of the three countries and the difference in ship composition. In general, it is a matter of the fact that Russia and China in their current development plans give preference to smaller ships, while the United States operates and builds much larger combat units.


USS Paul Ignatius (DDG-117) destroyer type Arleigh Burke Flight IIA. US Navy Photos

The most significant contribution to the total displacement of the US Navy is made by 11 aircraft carriers - more than 1 million tons. At the same time, they are the basis of the fleet’s striking power and ship groups are built around them. For comparison, the only Russian aircraft carrier “Admiral Kuznetsov” has a total displacement of less than 60 thousand tons, and all this affects the overall performance of the Navy.

The most massive surface ships of the U.S. Navy are destroyers of the Arleigh Burke type - almost 70 units. Depending on the modification, they have a displacement of 8,3 to 9,8 thousand tons. Also in this context, it is necessary to mention the landing ships San Antonio - 11 units, displacement of 25,3 thousand tons. A significant contribution to the total number and displacement makes a submarine fleet with dozens of ships with a displacement of 6 to 18 thousand tons

The Russian Navy cannot boast of a close number of ships of the first rank. There is only one Peter the Great heavy nuclear missile cruiser with a displacement of 25,8 thousand tons, three missile cruisers, pr. 1164 (11,4 thousand tons), etc. It is a small number of large surface warships that causes serious differences in the total displacement. Unfortunately, it also affects the combat capabilities of the fleet.

The situation is better in the submarine fleet. 10 strategic missile carriers with a total displacement of 10-25 thousand tons and dozens of ships of other classes with less high characteristics - up to the "small" diesel-electric Varshavyanka (3,95 thousand tons) are serving.


SSBN USS Tennessee (SSBN-734) type Ohio. US Navy Photos

The basis of the combat strength of the Russian Navy in terms of quantity now is small missile ships, corvettes and frigates of several projects. Almost 40 pennants of a modern building are part of all fleets. Despite the small displacement, such ships can effectively solve tasks of shock and defensive nature. They are supplemented by 23 missile boats of an older construction.

It is necessary to take into account the presence of a sufficiently large landing fleet. In total, there are almost 50 large and small landing ships and boats. An important component of the Navy is artillery ships and boats, various minesweepers, anti-sabotage boats, etc.

The situation in the PLA Navy is broadly similar to the Russian one. However, at present, China is able to ensure the mass construction of ships of certain classes, including destroyers. Larger ships, such as aircraft carriers, are also being built, but require considerable effort.


The lead destroyer pr. 055 "Nanyachan". Photo Cjdby.net

Since the beginning of the decade, 11 destroyers of the 052D type were built and handed over to the fleet. Work is underway on the construction of serial ships "055", and the lead one recently began service. There is some experience in the construction of aircraft carriers of large displacement. Nevertheless, while China is losing the United States in some indicators of a quantitative and qualitative nature.

A look ahead


Knowing the approximate plans of the military departments of leading countries, it is not difficult to predict the further development of the current situation. Obviously, certain changes in abundance or displacement will take place, but a cardinal fracture is not yet expected. However, China may again surprise with its labor successes.

The United States in the medium term plans to increase the combat strength by several dozen ships. It is proposed to do this due to surface and submarines of existing classes. Orders for additional units will appear, and the life of existing ones will be extended.

Russian shipbuilding plans will significantly affect overall performance only in the distant future. The construction of aircraft carriers has again been postponed, but this year two UDCs (25-28 thousand tons) will be laid. It is possible to launch the construction of smaller ships of other ranks and classes.


RPKSN "Alexander Nevsky" pr. 955. Photo by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation / mil.ru

The serial construction of several frigates, corvettes and RTOs continues. Work is also underway on new submarines of the main classes. The replenishment of the fleet is expected due to new landing ships and boats, minesweepers, etc. The construction of new ships is already ahead of the process of decommissioning old ones. There are also positive trends in the modernization of ships. Due to this, the total number of combat personnel will grow. Together with it, the total displacement will also grow.

However, even under favorable circumstances, the Russian Navy will still lag behind foreign leaders in some respects. The PRC has come too far in terms of the number of pennants, and the United States with a large margin is leading in total displacement.

Not only displacement


It should be noted that the fighting qualities of a ship have not been determined only by its displacement for a long time, and the fleet's potential depends not only on the number of pennants. There are many other factors that can affect combat efficiency and compensate for the lag in table numbers.


"Admiral Gorshkov" - frigate pr. 22350. Photo by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation / mil.ru

For example, the U.S. Navy has 11 aircraft carriers - not the largest group. However, it is sufficient to work around the world and perform a wide range of combat missions. Even one aircraft carrier with a ship group is a serious force and threat, which is very difficult to counter.

You can also recall the Russian small missile ships, pr. 21631 "Buyan-M" and pr. 22800 "Karakurt". With a displacement of not more than 850-950 tons, they carry eight Caliber or Onyx missiles each and are capable of hitting targets at outstanding ranges. In addition, the appearance of new types of weapons that are compatible with launchers of RTOs is expected. Similar weapons are received by new submarines of several types, thanks to which they also become an effective and formidable fleet tool.

Goals, desires and opportunities


It should be remembered that plans for the development of the fleet are determined by several factors. These are the capabilities of the state, its military strategy and plans related to it. Thus, the United States intends to maintain and maintain the status of the main force in the oceans, for which they require a large number of high-ranking ships. A developed economy and industry can provide a solution to such problems. The situation is similar in China, due to some restrictions, he has so far focused on small and medium-sized ships.


The use of Caliber missiles with small missile ships, pr. 21361 Buyan-M, of the Caspian flotilla, 2015. Photo by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation / mil.ru

The state of the Russian Navy at the moment allows you to protect the country's maritime borders and display a flag in some parts of the World Ocean. A full-fledged presence in remote regions is still a problem and requires further development of the fleet. Due to objective restrictions, industry is not yet able to massively build large ships like the United States or China.

Current plans, formed taking into account the available capabilities and limitations, provide for the construction of submarines of all main classes, as well as ships of rank 2 and 3. Larger projects are already being developed, and their implementation will begin in the foreseeable future.

Thus, now and in the coming years, the Russian Navy will not be a world leader in terms of the number of combat personnel or the total displacement of ships. However, he is quite capable of building up his potential within the framework of the available opportunities and expanding the circle of tasks to be solved. The Navy soberly assesses the situation and prudently relies on quality and efficiency, which depend only to a limited extent on tons and units.
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  1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 27 March 2020 06: 42 New
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    Gods, what was that? :)))) Cyril, how can you SO understand this topic that you are trying to describe?
    1. LeonidL
      LeonidL 27 March 2020 07: 06 New
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      Andrew! And which of the VO writers "understands" the topic? A man who has no VM education, who did not serve as an officer, who has nothing to do with the Navy named Mr. Timokhin? Well, he always has themes like a refrain - everything is wrong, everything is bad, we are a generation behind, the mafia, there is no systematic approach, stupid in the Moscow region, and so on, they build the wrong thing, not so much and wrong, they manage the wrong ones and not so .. up to the capture of Spitsbergen, Northern Norway and the mining of the Baltic. But, firstly, none of the authors of the VO has access to real information both on weapons and on the latest issues of using the latest weapons, and on intelligence information. Without access to such information, it is simply impossible to adequately assess and predict the development of the fleet. The article with the participation of a certain "physicist" who positions himself as the inventor of the latest weapon is also not credible. The newest weapon is not a slingshot or a machine gun, it is the fruit of collective work and a person who really manages such work will never, under any circumstances, ring on the pages of the open press. Articles are full of pictures, but what can pictures show or prove in reality? The publications are very reminiscent of the cadet's works of first-year students, and are discussed as a rule by ardent pros who have read "Model-constructor". True, sometimes the authors manage to involve professionals in discussions, I hope, old retirees, who have already forgotten the golden rule "Chatterbox find ...", but in the heat you can blurt out too much. What is the purpose of the articles? You might, of course, think that the kids did not realize their childhood dream of admiral stripes, and therefore they will wake up something indecent after reading the Internet. But the hatred of the authorities, the command of the Defense Ministry and the Russian Navy is too high in the articles. Up to Mr. Timokhin's calls for protests ... All this raises a well-founded suspicion of the sincerity of the "well-wishers." In general, I respect your and other authors of the article on the history of wars and armaments, but attempts to get involved in matters that have little to do with you, due to lack of involvement and lack of information, cause a negative reaction, to put it mildly.
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 27 March 2020 07: 38 New
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        but the attempts to get into matters of little concern to you, due to lack of involvement and lack of information, cause, to put it mildly, a negative reaction

        Yes, this is please :))
        If you believe that only pros can write about such things, this is your right. I don’t think so, and many times explained why. I am not a dentist, but I can understand whether they treated me well or not. I’m not a tailor, but I can understand if the suit is well-made or not
        And if I see that in GPV 2011-2020 there was NO mosquito fleet at all (only a few river-sea buoys), and then, when it became clear that we were filling up the construction of corvettes and frigates, then RTOs appeared from nowhere - then for It’s obvious to me that this is a forced decision, not dictated by the high efficiency of RTOs. And you can sing as much as you like about getting up from your knees and a strong defense of the borders, but if I see that the GPV in the part of shipbuilding is much less than a third completed, then it is clear that they give me what I wish for reality.
        In general, there are many things for which understanding you need not a higher military education, but at least average imagination :)))
        1. Bashkirkhan
          Bashkirkhan 27 March 2020 13: 16 New
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          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          I am not a dentist, but I can understand whether they treated me well or not. I’m not a tailor, but I can understand if the suit is well-made or not

          - Are you a gynecologist? - No, but I can see!

          Andrei hi For example, I read your publication "The Russian Navy. A Sad Look into the Future (Part 2)" https://topwar.ru/132505-voennyy-flot-rossii-grustnyy-vzglyad-v-buduschee-chast-2.html
          I liked the article, meanwhile the publication indicated that the nuclear submarine "Magadan" is located at the Amur shipyard. But he was not there. Since 2012, Magadan has been in the water area of ​​Zvezda Far East Plant in Bolshoy Kamen, awaiting a mid-life repair, at the end of 2018 it was delivered to the plant's boathouse. In the second half of 2019, according to the shipyard's press service, troubleshooting of MAPLs and equipment dismantling were carried out. By the way, originally in the publication, the Big Stone was named "Sea Stone". These are, of course, trifles, but nevertheless, when the author is inaccurate in details, doubts creep in. Regarding the nuclear submarine "Magadan", you can check with the site Storm depth, http://deepstorm.ru/DeepStorm.files/45-92/nts/971/K-331/K-331.htm
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 27 March 2020 13: 24 New
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            I understand, but here it is - I’m taking data from open sources, but they are not always correct. Hence the annoying mistakes, and I'm always glad when my shortcomings are noted in the comments. That is, I am not a masochist, of course, it’s unpleasant to see my bloopers, but when they are revealed, I become smarter laughing repeat
            1. Grits
              Grits 27 March 2020 17: 15 New
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              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              Hence the annoying mistakes, and I'm always glad when my shortcomings are noted in the comments. That is, I’m not a masochist, of course, it’s unpleasant to see my bloopers, but when they are revealed, I become smart

              An answer worthy of respect.
            2. LeonidL
              LeonidL 27 March 2020 23: 24 New
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              Andrew! You contradict yourself, saying that everything is from open sources! They are "open" because they do not reflect the real picture! In addition, they are often deliberately distorted, because intelligence very carefully sifts through open sources and it is from there that in most cases it draws information! Example: Before Putin's speech, did "open" sources write a lot about new weapons? Yes, the same IN. And then the screams started - animation, animation, photoshop ... These are the latest weapons with the main and perhaps the only strategic goal - to shorten the desire of a potential aggressor and keep the peace. It turns out that all this "animation" is embodied in reality and is in service. In the state, at the level of decision-making (and these are people with stripes so hated by some authors and readers), there are strategic priorities, but there are secondary things ... All this is determined by an array of information about which neither you, nor I, or anyone else in Thank God he has no idea. Therefore, some projects receive funding, others are postponed. This is normal. This is not the nuka of making strategic decisions at the level of a tailor, dentist or gynecologist. I am not against discussion, but - reasonable, without fanaticism type - behind for centuries, mafia, idiots, everything is wrong, everything is wrong, to mine the Baltic, to seize Norway and Spitsbergen! Understand correctly.
              1. Octopus
                Octopus 28 March 2020 01: 55 New
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                Quote: LeonidL
                It turns out that all this "animation" is embodied in reality and is in service

                Vladimir Vladimirovich and his fan club are guided by people who are not sure about what he said on Thursday this week (they are correctly oriented, people with preserved memory are lost for Vladimir Vladimirovich). What a message there is to the Federal Assembly 2018.

                At that time, Vladimir Vladimirovich spoke and showed the following:
                1. Unpredictable cruise missile. The only relatively reliable contact of this cartoon character with reality occurred last year in the form of a radiation accident in the White Sea, EMNIP, and the sea.
                2. Unpredictable underwater drone. Since then, nothing has been known about the relationship of this cartoon character with reality in the form of radiation accidents, which cannot but rejoice.
                3. The dagger. This cartoon character posed as a ballistic anti-ship missile, which caused questions for the sane part of the public. Since then, there has been no movement on these issues. There is some likelihood that the Dagger is exactly what it seems to be - the Iskander air launch - and, accordingly, even if not for ships, but at least it can work in terms of coordinates, it is not known why. But it is not exactly.
                4. Sarmat, new heavy ICBM. It is in a state popular in Russia "will enter service next year." It was 2020 last year. This year is 2021. In fact, nothing is clear about the tests, and the history of Bulava sets somewhat different guidelines for the timing of the commissioning of new missiles.
                5. Avant-garde, a strange kind of planning thing. Under the Christmas tree 19-20, Shoigu announced that a regiment (theoretically 6 launchers) had appeared in Yasnoy with these items (how many of 6?) On combat duty, which caused a fair amount of surprise to people in the subject. Firstly, statements to the date, including under the Christmas tree, from ancient times cause a certain distrust. Secondly, what the hell did the UR-13 appear in 100 rd, with a place in 60 rd? Why turn these grandfathers through half of Russia, have they already been absent from the second-color metal warehouse for a long time? Or are they trying to tell us that the Vanguard was attached to the R-36? No test? What is already happening in the Strategic Missile Forces already?
                6. Laser bullshit of unknown purpose. Generally lost since the news reaches me.

                So, not everything is so simple with the decisions of the party, which are put into practice.
                1. Boa kaa
                  Boa kaa 28 March 2020 14: 16 New
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                  Quote: Octopus
                  Last year, it was 2020. This year is the 2021st.
                  The cephalopod representative of the underwater fauna, apparently, lives in the future tense, therefore, his post is not quite adequate!
                  At the expense of cartoons. I will quote the words of GDP from his message to the FS of the State Duma of the Russian Federation 2018:
                  For obvious reasons today we cannot show the true appearance, the true appearance of this product. Even this today matters, serious significance. I think everyone understands this. But I assure you, all this is in stock and works well. Moreover, Russian industrial enterprises have begun mass production of this system ...

                  It is incomprehensible only to Mr. Octopus ... well, what can I do: it’s hard to reach the cephalopods with ground news! Well, it is necessary to break through to the water column (and maybe a biased attitude to power !?) critically critically minded subject of the underwater kingdom.
                  AHA.
                  1. Octopus
                    Octopus 28 March 2020 16: 14 New
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                    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                    I assure you, all this is in stock and works well. Moreover, Russian industrial enterprises have begun mass production of this system ...

                    Yes Yes. Krasnoyarsk has begun. Runs and hair back.

                    You two little news from the real world:

                    1. All new products are accepted for service by order of the Ministry of Defense / Commander-in-Chief. Not a message to the Federal Assembly, no.
                    2. While START is in effect, Russia is obliged to report to partners about such things. Moreover, given the size of the product, it is rather strange to hope that it will be possible to smuggle it secretly from partners to the launcher. Another thing is to pour into the ears of dear Russians. Among them, not everyone knows how to use GoogleMaps.
                    1. Boa kaa
                      Boa kaa 28 March 2020 16: 25 New
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                      Quote: Octopus
                      Two small news from the real world

                      Colleague, do you seriously believe that the President of the Russian Federation was telling a lie !? Well, then you are either very brave, or very ... how could I put it mildly ... stupid person! yes
                      And, second. In START, if you even bothered to look at it, there are no QUALITATIVE indicators of charges placed on deployed carriers. Product 15Yu71 - combat equipment 100UTTH, and outside the limits "does not climb". That is why the Yankees are trying to make the combat equipment of our strategic nuclear forces an object of bargaining, including the RS-28 and 15Yu71.
                      Hello, Boa.
                      1. Octopus
                        Octopus 28 March 2020 16: 44 New
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                        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                        there are no QUALITATIVE indicators of charges placed on deployed carriers. Product 15YU71

                        The replica quoted by you in the post above referred to Sarmatian, and not Vanguard. More carefully, please.
                        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                        Do you seriously believe that the President of the Russian Federation was telling a lie !?

                        God
                      2. Boa kaa
                        Boa kaa 28 March 2020 16: 59 New
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                        Quote: Octopus
                        Product 15YU71
                        The replica quoted by you in the post above referred to Sarmatian, and not Vanguard. More carefully, please.

                        You seem to be connected with the Strategic Missile Forces ... Look what the Vanguard is and its codification. On the R-15A28, they are going to install up to 6 15Yu71 products. Where am I wrong? And who needs to be more attentive. And in the fragment I quoted "from the Message" it is about the Vanguard. This is true, by the way.
                        Good luck. hi
                      3. Octopus
                        Octopus 28 March 2020 17: 17 New
                        +1
                        You see, I’m not teaching the message by heart. Phrase
                        Quote: Octopus
                        Sarmat, new heavy ICBM. It is in the state popular in Russia "will enter service next year." It was 2020 last year. This year 2021

                        which you quoted refers, as it is easy to see, to Sarmat. As for Vanguard, there are other questions, and "how did he end up in Yasnoye?" - not the most important of them.
          2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 28 March 2020 15: 32 New
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            Quote: LeonidL
            You contradict yourself, saying that everything is from open sources! They are "open" because they do not reflect the real picture!

            Why do you think so?
            Quote: LeonidL
            In addition - often deliberately distorted

            Of course, but in fact, the Russian carrier fleet dragons miserable NATO Navy across the oceans :))))
            Quote: LeonidL
            Example: Before Putin's speech, did "open" sources write a lot about new weapons?

            Sorry, but this is a bad example.
            Quote: LeonidL
            And then the screams started - animation, animation, photoshop ... These are the latest weapons with the main and perhaps the only strategic goal - to shorten the desire of a potential aggressor and keep the peace. It turns out all this "animation" is embodied in reality and is in service.

            Sorry, but you have a failure in the logic of reasoning.
            If we assume that open sources do not reflect the real picture and serve as an element of misinformation of the enemy, then an open appearance of the GDP with the same success can serve the same purpose. That is large-scale misinformation.
            I am afraid that you are now arguing from the position of "I believe - I do not believe" - ​​what you do not like in open sources you think is disinformation, and what suits you - the truth.
            1. Octopus
              Octopus 28 March 2020 16: 51 New
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              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              serve as an element of adversary misinformation, then an open appearance of GDP with the same success can serve the same purpose

              The key question here is who exactly is the adversary of the commander-in-chief, whom he and his staff are so persistently trying to misinform with hybridity. Evil languages ​​claim that it is hardly a question of countries of NATO’s aggressive bloc, so what, and it’s quite difficult to hide the situation with NK of the first rank from them.
              1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                Andrei from Chelyabinsk 28 March 2020 20: 51 New
                +3
                In-in. And personally, I do not want to misinform hybrid hybrid :)))
        2. Bashkirkhan
          Bashkirkhan 31 March 2020 18: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          That is, I am not a masochist, of course, it’s unpleasant to see my bloopers, but when they are revealed, I become smarter

          Good answer drinks Success in work on publications hi
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 31 March 2020 19: 01 New
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            Thank you! hi
    2. Looking for
      Looking for 27 March 2020 15: 22 New
      -1
      Well, you and balabol !!!
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 28 March 2020 15: 33 New
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        Nothing. But you are a cultured and impeccably polite person :))))))
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 27 March 2020 17: 21 New
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      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      And you can sing as much as you like about getting up from your knees and a strong defense of the borders, but if I see that the GPV in the part of shipbuilding is much less than a third completed, then it is clear that they give me what I wish for reality.

      And you can still remember - due to which it was completed. For example, about patrol ships pr. 22160. wink
      Or remember that we have fewer new minesweepers than fleets. And the PLO and PMO bases are provided by the ships that still found Mikhail Gorbachev's Indelible Spot.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 28 March 2020 14: 28 New
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        Quote: Alexey RA
        about patrol ships pr. 22160.

        Aleksey, the thing is that with these patrol officers it's not so simple. It seems to me that this is a kind of way out of the impasse with the construction of ships of a new formation. Riveting the bodies is not a problem. The thing is that, to put it mildly, not all is well with the "minced meat" for the new generation of oil companies. Well, our industry cannot (yet) provide the fleet with systems and weapons at the level of time requirements. Therefore, it was decided to remove the "stuffing" from the sturdy hull and fix it in the form of removable containers on the upper deck 22160, because it is much easier to update the contents of the "container" than to drive the ship into the dock / put it on the factory wall / for modernization ... (The main thing is that the connectors fit, and E / M compatibility is ensured ... - words of one of the VP-OSK officials ).
        This is undoubtedly a necessary measure, since "on bezrybe you will become a" cancer "yourself!"
        Somehow, however.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 30 March 2020 17: 31 New
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          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          The thing is that, to put it mildly, not all is well with the "minced meat" for the new generation of oil companies. Well, our industry cannot (yet) provide the fleet with systems and weapons at the level of time requirements. Therefore, it was decided to remove the "stuffing" from the sturdy hull and fix it in the form of removable containers on the upper deck 22160, because it is much easier to update the contents of a "container" than to dock the ship / dock it to the factory wall / upgrade ..

          The whole ambush is that there are simply no container systems - in the 6 years that have passed since the decision on Project 22160 was adopted, the fleet has not ordered anything but a diving module and a modular HAS. That is, the fleet’s choice is not between embedded systems and container systems, but between embedded systems and ... nothing. And, PMSM, it is better to have a built-in weapon system, albeit not quite satisfying the fleet, than an empty place in the hull - because, if something happens, you won’t get rid of the adversary’s drawings.
          Moreover, on pr.22160 the fleet also differed with modules - even if a modular air defense system is created, it will not be possible to install it on the ships ordered by the fleet, since the place of the nose slot on the patrol is occupied by residential and domestic premises.
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 30 March 2020 18: 53 New
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            Quote: Alexey RA
            The whole ambush is that there are simply no container systems

            Lesh, you write everything correctly ... But we don’t know whether or not they ordered development, whether or not they were issued. task, etc. This is the first.
            And the second one. 22160 in the stern (left and right) have ports with hinged sides. So it's done for the LA But the NPA topic is very interesting, but closed ...
            Let’s hope that Viktor Viktorovich didn’t break up, betting on tomorrow, and not on yesterday.
            Well, I really want to believe it!
            AHA.
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 30 March 2020 19: 02 New
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              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              Lesh, you write everything correctly ... But we don’t know whether or not they ordered development, whether or not they were issued. task, etc. This is the first.

              If the Navy had ordered their development in a timely manner, it would have already had at least a container "Caliber", a scarecrow of which has long been dragged around exhibitions.
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              And the second one. 22160 in the stern (left and right) have ports with hinged sides. So it's done for the LA But the NPA topic is very interesting, but closed ...

              To use any weapons of Project 22160, you need at least minimal anti-aircraft defense - either self-defense air defense systems or self-defense air defense systems - to get through single-armed anti-ship missiles and other missiles that missile defense systems or coastal anti-aircraft misses (simply because no one gives a 100% probability of defeat).
              "Flexible" and other MANPADS (Pseudo-SAM) are not offered - this is not air defense, but only a way to occupy the crew with something.
    4. LeonidL
      LeonidL 27 March 2020 22: 50 New
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      "Average imagination"! - Great answer. Tense yourself up and think about what is the difference between a man in the street and a leader of the nation, between a person who has gone through all the stages of service and an amateur. You ride the top without understanding the point. And the comparison with a tailor is at your level of competence. Excuse me, I enjoy reading your historical essays, but you do not want more.
      1. Octopus
        Octopus 27 March 2020 23: 09 New
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        Quote: LeonidL
        Tighten and think about the difference between the average person and the leader of the nation,

        The layman can seriously understand the issue that interests him, for example, the fleet issue, and the leader of the nation only shows cartoons and bears shameful nonsense, every day is different?

        Guessed, yes, guessed?
        Quote: LeonidL
        You ride on top without understanding the essence

        You expressed the essence quite fully. Outsiders should not discuss fleet issues (army, aviation, etc.) because they do not understand anything, and people in the topic should not discuss fleet issues (army, aviation, etc.) because the talker is a godsend for a spy.

        The USSR has already walked this road, whoever finds it can tell. In a relatively normal world, all issues related to the strategic aspect of defense, primarily shipbuilding, are reported parliament и are published. Because Parliament gives money to ships.
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 28 March 2020 14: 41 New
        +5
        Quote: LeonidL
        I am pleased to read your historical essays, but you do not pull on more.

        Leonid, you have been on the site since 1.08.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX, but did not bother to write a single article. They did not say anything in an expanded form on any problem close to you in education, occupation, life experience. So, is it worth so derogatory criticizing a person for his point of view expressed in the article? I think the author needs to say THANKS for his work. But with what you personally do not agree - to criticize, but reasoned, based on facts, expert opinion of the pros, and not unfoundedly water the author with "illiquid".
        IMHO.
      3. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 28 March 2020 15: 39 New
        +3
        Quote: LeonidL
        Tighten and think what is the difference between the average person and the leader of the nation, between a person who has gone through all levels of service and an amateur.

        I do not understand, this article was written by Vladimir Putin or what? :)))))
        Quote: LeonidL
        You are jumping on top, not understanding the essence.

        Leonid, how do you know this? :)))
        Quote: LeonidL
        Sorry, I am pleased to read your historical essays, but you do not pull on more.

        If you are so annoyed with my materials - do not read them. And if you still read, then show a minimum of decency and discuss the material, and not the person who wrote it.
        1. timokhin-aa
          timokhin-aa 28 March 2020 18: 30 New
          +4
          Leonid, how do you know this? :)))

          laughing

          I bet he will not answer anything sane?
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 28 March 2020 20: 50 New
            +3
            I usually argue if there is even a minimal chance of winning. So - another time, and for some other reason :))) hi
  2. Avior
    Avior 27 March 2020 08: 07 New
    10
    ... The article with the participation of a certain "physicist" is also not credible

    Who is a “physicist” is not a secret
    And, I want to pay attention, according to your logic, in order to both write and evaluate the quality of articles, you need to be an active specialist, admitted to classified information.
    I do not think that a massive influx of such people threatens VO in the near future
    Which does not negate the fact that the articles differ markedly in quality
    hi
    1. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 27 March 2020 13: 34 New
      +4
      Well, just a "certain physicist" with tolerances is in full order laughing
      1. LeonidL
        LeonidL 27 March 2020 23: 07 New
        -2
        I doubt it! There is a fable about a rooster and a cuckoo - "Physicist" was proving that Timokhin was a naval officer. Timokhin modestly kept his eyes lowered, but then confessed. A sort of modest character from Ilf and Petrov ... Timokhin advertised "physics" in full ... People with tolerances allow themselves to be published in completely different publications, and not on the pages of VO. You, Mr. Timokhin, are a very strange person, to put it mildly. How can you believe in the big, if you are in the small ... You "sat" in the analytical department - they do not sit there, they plow there, and those who sit in their pants are simply expelled. You woke up napalm in the kitchen. If so, then you are a lonely and poor person and all your stories about the used arms trade are bluff. What kind of wife will allow the slut in the kitchen? One smell ... If in the kitchen there is no garage, no basement, no outbuilding for security, etc. We were running away from the bear !!!! Any hunter will tell you that a horse will not run away from a clubfoot. We jumped with a parachute in a terrible wind .... There is such a concept as "letting out" - neither the tower nor letting you out would not let you get close to the jumps, who needs extra hemorrhoids? You have no idea about the service and its passage ... well, for example, how long did the late General Gareev serve? (By the way, he spoke very warmly about my work) And what is the "active reserve" ... Well, you were unlikely to be within the borders of your adored fatherland, since you do not know what the officer corps had to endure during the years of EBN - not only the wallpaper was glued to the cars painted, made extra money as loaders on freight trains, shot ... Well, cherry - you are a great specialist in everything - from Laos and Vietnam, through trucks and internal combustion engines, fighters to the heights of naval art! It's just Julius Caesar ... but it's hard to believe. And also constant hatred at the level of hysterics for all those who have power ... well, the hatred of people who have failed to people in lompasses is a tradition in Russia, everyone thinks of themselves as Kutuzov and Ushakov .... Therefore, you are muddy, Mr. Timokhin. And the goals of your articles are very dubious.
        1. timokhin-aa
          timokhin-aa 28 March 2020 09: 13 New
          +1
          The goals of my statues are to force the command of the Navy to build combat-ready forces.
          What is the purpose of your comments?

          For all those who do not know what LeonidL is:

          https://topwar.ru/165946-avianosnyj-vopros-pozhar-na-kuznecove-i-vozmozhnoe-buduschee-avianoscev-v-rf.html#comment-id-9963925

          и

          https://topwar.ru/165313-fregat-perri-kak-urok-dlja-rossii-sproektirovannyj-mashinoj-massovyj-i-deshevyj.html#comment-id-9923471

          do not succumb to the provocation of Leonidle.
          1. LeonidL
            LeonidL 28 March 2020 18: 12 New
            +1
            Quote: timokhin-aa
            The goals of my statues are to force the command of the Navy to build combat-ready forces.
            What is the purpose of your comments?

            "Force"? Forcing what you think is necessary? And what reason do you have to consider yourself the Lord God in all areas from VM strategy and tactics to weapons and equipment? You are not called Napoleon by chance? Where does such confidence in infallibility come from in a person who admits that he does not have a naval education? Do you yourself understand what you wrote? And the style of your steteka with insults and on the verge of hysteria ... If the articles are intended to be read by admirals and the country's leadership, do not you understand that the style and content itself will cause the opposite, quite adequate and healthy reaction?
            1. timokhin-aa
              timokhin-aa 28 March 2020 18: 28 New
              +1
              Almost nothing of what I write was invented by myself, these articles are the result, on the one hand, of many years of studying foreign experience, and on the other, long-term communication with representatives of the officers and senior shipbuilding workers.

              But why are you jumping?
              1. LeonidL
                LeonidL 29 March 2020 05: 37 New
                +1
                The study of foreign experience for many years is just what Mr. Timokhin wrote about. About communicating with officers ... - I doubt that the officer blurted out something important to the first mister he met, who sells used shells. About "high-ranking" you most likely flatter yourself. High-ranking officials communicate with the like, and you are not one of them. This all rather reminds me of a passage from Rezun, when he talked with a drunken sailor in a pub and he gave him a great secret, they say, Britain began deliveries of military equipment to the USSR ... before WWII. Very reliable source. And without hysteria, my dear Mr. Timokhin, I don’t jump, I give you and your clerks a free master class in analytics. Appreciate.
  3. antivirus
    antivirus 27 March 2020 08: 33 New
    -5
    a jacket I am.
    The Russian Federation is now liquidating the failures from 80-90.
    from Moscow to Berlin was our space-1600km.
    Now it’s a stranger. the whole mobilization system. not only the thickness of the country's bunkers. all infrastructure and most importantly, all mob plans are designed for the time of approaching and deployment and milking of cows in certain conditions (DDS, etc.).
    now a new wonderful world is being built, with different speeds, but also another time to "run to the bomb shelter."

    The Navy - Kaliningrad and Sevastopol are seen too far from their home territory (for a pinch) - immediately, the Murmansk suicide bombers are the same.

    20-30 years from now there will be other geopolitical layouts, but for now it is necessary to increase the number of cattle and high platforms for electricians-pensioners to climb into the wagons.
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    1. LeonidL
      LeonidL 27 March 2020 23: 29 New
      0
      You have not admitted that it was not an officer, Mr. Timokhin. This is a time. The right to discuss, but without hysteria and rudeness. These are two. So all of the above applies to you.
      1. timokhin-aa
        timokhin-aa 28 March 2020 09: 14 New
        0
        For all those who do not know what LeonidL is:

        https://topwar.ru/165946-avianosnyj-vopros-pozhar-na-kuznecove-i-vozmozhnoe-buduschee-avianoscev-v-rf.html#comment-id-9963925

        и

        https://topwar.ru/165313-fregat-perri-kak-urok-dlja-rossii-sproektirovannyj-mashinoj-massovyj-i-deshevyj.html#comment-id-9923471

        do not succumb to the provocation of Leonidle.
  5. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 27 March 2020 21: 04 New
    0
    Quote: LeonidL
    And which of the VO writers "understands" the topic?

    In the sense, you are 100% right.
    But ... cons well-deserved.

    The fact is that we no longer live in the Soviet Union.
    In many ways, we copy methods of organizing the US government.

    So the Americans did not hide much, did not lie much when they published information about their aircraft. At the same time, they published different points of view, opinions, dreams and wishes ...
    As a result, the situation became confused ...

    Nevertheless, our information services analyzed and published these materials.
    For example, on the fleet - "Shipbuilding abroad".
    And experts from design and other organizations used this information. Although there were materials with a "linden", for example, on Operation Jennifer - allegedly collecting oceanic nodules, and not raising our K-129 submarine missile defense system.

    So Topwar today performs a similar function, and fills for many an informative failure. And the fact that there is a certain military secret that you must know in order to have the right opinion is mistaken.
    The world is so small that having minimal access to the topic - work in almost any "organization" gives it, you, due to your education and talent, have the opportunity to see something more. than allowed by the instructions.

    But we must protect the secrets of the motherland.
    It would be nice without prejudice to the educational process in relation to youth and other citizens.

    A low bow to "Model-Constructor". it is one of the pillars of Russia's national security.
    1. LeonidL
      LeonidL 28 March 2020 18: 15 New
      +1
      I agree in many ways, but "by virtue of your education and talent, you have the opportunity to see something more than what the instructions allow." And if people do not have education, and the talent in graphomania is talent of dubious quality?
      1. Sergey S.
        Sergey S. 28 March 2020 20: 22 New
        -1
        Quote: LeonidL
        And if people do not have an education, and is talent in graphomania a talent of dubious quality?

        1. It is to ensure that such people do not feel divorced from social processes and there are forums like Topvar.
        They can read, they can write.
        To this, if the interests of the motherland are not violated, one must be tolerant.
  6. Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... April 9 2020 14: 26 New
    0
    Well, you Timokhin is still aptimist balsa.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 27 March 2020 06: 44 New
    +1
    Mind is ... not to accept. It’s just that the hashemon has made a mistake and wants to put the whole world in a pose.
    Break off, just ... do not go to the grandmother.
  • Alex 1970
    Alex 1970 27 March 2020 06: 53 New
    +6
    "The state of the Russian Navy at the moment makes it possible to protect the country's maritime borders and display the flag in some areas of the World Ocean." After reading the article, I got the impression that it is more or less good only with the submarine fleet, and the surface one, unfortunately, is more consistent with the second part of the quote. And if you also take into account that the fleet is divided into theaters isolated from each other, it is generally sad.
  • novel66
    novel66 27 March 2020 07: 29 New
    +4
    type task: if ten wolves attack one hippopotamus - who will win?
    1. English tarantas
      English tarantas 27 March 2020 09: 17 New
      +3
      I'm afraid there will be another hippo against a hippo, a pair of lionesses and a pack of jackals.
      1. novel66
        novel66 27 March 2020 09: 27 New
        +6
        not everyone has hippos ... lionesses ... jackals - yes! everyone is full, as well as rats and fleas
  • tlauicol
    tlauicol 27 March 2020 07: 33 New
    13
    I read Kruzenshtern - so here he is at the very beginning of the 19th century. prophesied the rule of the states in all the oceans and extolled their sailors and shipbuilding even against the background of the British. But then they did not even go to the west coast
  • Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 27 March 2020 08: 30 New
    -1
    Good and balanced article. It should also be mentioned that Russia does not depend on the fact that the United States or China depend on maritime trade routes, respectively, and the fleet requires a different character.

    As an example, the situation with the Northern Sea Route and icebreakers: we need them and we have them and will be in quantities and qualities much better than the rest of the world.
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      1. Butchcassidy
        Butchcassidy 27 March 2020 13: 50 New
        0
        Honestly, I do not understand this Petrosianism. What part of the claim to the article? In terms of the indicated number of ships? Tonnage? Conclusions and comparisons of fleets? Or just some graters with the author?

        Or all the claims on the level "how bad the fleet is now and how good it was in the Soviet Union"? So this is a kindergarten and dreams of the unfulfilled.
        1. timokhin-aa
          timokhin-aa 27 March 2020 14: 44 New
          +3
          The article is actually incorrect. With the exception of the number of pennants taken from an external source, it consists of false claims almost completely.
          1. Butchcassidy
            Butchcassidy 27 March 2020 19: 53 New
            +1
            Quote: timokhin-aa
            The article is actually incorrect. With the exception of the number of pennants taken from an external source, it consists of false claims almost completely.

            Strange you understand the specific indication of your claims. As an example:
            Last year, the American organization Center for International Maritime Security (CIMSEC) published interesting statistics on the largest naval forces in the world.


            Here is a reference, a real-life office http://cimsec.org/
            Did she publish these statistics? H.z., did not scour the site.

            Or this:
            It should be remembered that plans for the development of the fleet are determined by several factors. These are the capabilities of the state, its military strategy and plans related to it.

            The phrase is logical, I do not see false claims here.

            Since the beginning of the decade, 11 destroyers of the 052D type were built and handed over to the fleet

            Open sources write that the entire series consists of 13 ships. I admit that the author is not lying and they have already been built 11.

            In short, in principle, you can’t continue the conversation, I’m not going to persuade you, it’s just that your criticism looks somehow weak.
            1. timokhin-aa
              timokhin-aa 27 March 2020 20: 28 New
              +2
              Do you need to sort through separate offers where in the article is crap? This will produce 100 characters at least. However, I can justify my position on selective paragraphs. Write how many paragraphs from the text you need to parse, and I will answer, only without fanaticism, otherwise they don’t pay me for it.
              1. LeonidL
                LeonidL 27 March 2020 23: 38 New
                0
                Mr. Timokhin! So you are not at the behest of the soul, but for a small fraction, on a piece board ... but I thought, where did such omnivorousness and rate of fire come from. Thank you for clarifying.
                1. timokhin-aa
                  timokhin-aa 28 March 2020 09: 15 New
                  -1
                  For all those who do not know what LeonidL is:

                  https://topwar.ru/165946-avianosnyj-vopros-pozhar-na-kuznecove-i-vozmozhnoe-buduschee-avianoscev-v-rf.html#comment-id-9963925

                  и

                  https://topwar.ru/165313-fregat-perri-kak-urok-dlja-rossii-sproektirovannyj-mashinoj-massovyj-i-deshevyj.html#comment-id-9923471

                  do not succumb to the provocation of Leonidle.
                  1. LeonidL
                    LeonidL 28 March 2020 18: 04 New
                    +1
                    Dear Mr. Timokhin! You pass off your nightly nonsense as something about me that has nothing to do with me. I write only what you yourself, my dear, are pleased to report about yourself. Not a letter more! You have deigned to write: "I will answer, only without fanaticism, otherwise they do not pay me for it." Why go into hysterics? It was you who admitted that you were not a naval officer and never were. It was you who were running away from the bear and he did not catch up with you. It was you who bodied the napalm in the kitchen. It was you who jumped in the strongest wind with a parachute. You were the one selling used weapons. That you sat in the analytical department ... You wrote a little about everything - about the internal combustion engine, about Laos and Vietnam, about the fact that we need not heavy fighters, but light ones ... About the fact that you need to mine the Baltic, capture northern Norway, Spitsbergen ... About what torpedoes to have, about what kind of GAS, about the fact that aircraft carriers are needed ... then that myriads of "Burkovo-like" are needed ... About the fact that the Fleet is controlled by the mafia, mediocrity, who build the fleet unsystematically ... many, many things. What makes you so hysterical, my dear? What did I put wrong? But I draw a conclusion from the above - you are not a professional, you have no idea what you are writing about. Where does all the texture come from? This reminds me of Rezun's opus about the Pinsk flotilla. Rezun himself had a boot, because his sisters and sisters threw him information about monitors ... only Rezun did not realize that all this was about English monitors, and not Polish trophy and Soviet types of "iron ore". so you - they throw you - you add a drop of hatred to the stripes and power and give out products. Good luck. I am tired of you and I hope I will be banned once again by your owners forever.
                    1. timokhin-aa
                      timokhin-aa 28 March 2020 18: 11 New
                      -1
                      I see how I'm tired of you laughing
                      It’s good that at least you ceased to pass yourself off as a retired officer, apparently something came to you.

                      I hope your hosts will once again ban me forever.


                      It sounds! laughing
                      1. LeonidL
                        LeonidL 29 March 2020 05: 40 New
                        0
                        Mr. Timokhin! Are you already raving? When is it and where did I write that it is not an officer? On the contrary, I am an officer and a sovereign person. And you, as a child, all indulge in emoticons for emotion with emoticons.
                      2. timokhin-aa
                        timokhin-aa 29 March 2020 07: 01 New
                        0
                        You are not an officer, you are a liar. And you and I have repeatedly analyzed this question from your own words.
                      3. LeonidL
                        LeonidL 29 March 2020 18: 40 New
                        0
                        We are with you, Mr. Timokhin did not make out anything anywhere, it was I who split you to the navel and below. You did not even understand why I, unlike you, Mr., do not experience an inferiority complex either to embroidered stars, or to stripes, or to the leadership of the Moscow Region and the FMF. Tighten the cerebellum, you can figure it out. You are not even funny to me already. Not interesting. I even feel sorry for you with your attempts.
                      4. timokhin-aa
                        timokhin-aa 29 March 2020 19: 34 New
                        0
                        For all those who do not know what LeonidL is:

                        https://topwar.ru/165946-avianosnyj-vopros-pozhar-na-kuznecove-i-vozmozhnoe-buduschee-avianoscev-v-rf.html#comment-id-9963925

                        и

                        https://topwar.ru/165313-fregat-perri-kak-urok-dlja-rossii-sproektirovannyj-mashinoj-massovyj-i-deshevyj.html#comment-id-9923471

                        do not succumb to the provocation of Leonidle.
                      5. LeonidL
                        LeonidL 30 March 2020 00: 57 New
                        0
                        You, Mr. Timokhin, are a person with an acute symptom of your own inferiority, an ignoramus, an amateur and a hysteric, a provocateur, and you have a very, very bad truth, because I'm with you on one hectare ... Because it remains for you to drive a stupid flood . But I am a tolerant person - I wish you to put on a mask, shoe covers, gloves and ... sit in your apartment in sad solitude.
                      6. timokhin-aa
                        timokhin-aa 30 March 2020 09: 41 New
                        -1
                        Most importantly, I'm not a psychiatrist, Leonid L. laughing Envy.
                      7. LeonidL
                        LeonidL 30 March 2020 19: 04 New
                        0
                        Blessed is he who believes ...
          2. LeonidL
            LeonidL 29 March 2020 05: 45 New
            0
            But I'm tired of it - that's for sure. You know, it used to be fun to take you to clean water, but now it’s just boring. In the end, your attempts to influence high politics are simply perceived where you are so torn as the ravings of the HS, a topic for jokes in smoking rooms.
          3. timokhin-aa
            timokhin-aa 29 March 2020 07: 04 New
            -1
            Have you exposed me? In what? I have never lied about myself, unlike you. It is you who are trying to impersonate who you are not, not me. For that matter, I exposed you. Nailed for the tongue laughing
          4. LeonidL
            LeonidL 29 March 2020 18: 37 New
            0
            Blessed is he who believes ...
  • Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 27 March 2020 13: 50 New
    +1
    I agree. China and the United States need to not only defend their territory, but also defend their merchant ships, and they also need a fleet to attack other countries.
  • arkadiyssk
    arkadiyssk 27 March 2020 08: 37 New
    +7
    Quote: Alexey 1970
    Yes, if we take into account that the fleet is divided into theaters isolated from each other, generally sadness.

    That is yes. Comparing isolated theaters will be an unpleasant reality. For example, in the Pacific, we find ourselves deep below Japan with its 30-40 brand new destroyers, frigates and 20 submarines and a hundred PLO aircraft, below the South Korean fleet. And the saddest thing is that they do not slow down the pace of construction and every year they launch many times more than us, so every year we will only lag behind and become more obsolete.
    1. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 27 March 2020 14: 26 New
      0
      Isolation of fleets cannot be avoided. But to cry is also not an option. And the way out of the situation in conditions of relative poverty and underdevelopment of military shipbuilding is a sharp increase in naval aviation in all water areas.
  • Cyrus
    Cyrus 27 March 2020 08: 45 New
    +8
    The Russian fleet, in my humble understanding, at the moment is not capable of fully performing any of the tasks facing it, well, apart from the demonstration of the flag and the absence of losses, this is not his merit, but so far the "indecision" of the enemy.
    1. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 27 March 2020 14: 27 New
      0
      I agree with you. And what do you suggest?
  • bar
    bar 27 March 2020 08: 58 New
    +8
    To date, the Russian Navy is again one of the largest and most powerful on the planet.

    I didn’t master further ...
  • Sasha_rulevoy
    Sasha_rulevoy 27 March 2020 09: 16 New
    +1
    It is not difficult to calculate that the average combat unit of the US Navy has a displacement of 13,9 thousand.


    In the event of a war, the Americans will add allied mosquito fleets to their fleet. NATO is in Europe. Former SEATO - Australia, Taiwan, South Korea in the East. Each ally, of course, will meekly surrender his ships, this is in his personal interests.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 27 March 2020 10: 58 New
      +6
      Well, for example, Italy. On the one hand, the Americans took their tests, equipment and exported them to the United States. On the other hand, a generous soul helps Russia as it can. However, at the same time, another SNMG group entered the Black Sea - a mission to demonstrate the Force against Russia.

      For the first time, Italy I sent there not a rusty demo boat, but a powerful FREMM type.


      Canada, for example, sent rust there, which ended up in the SPM.


      That is, even in the situation with the Virus, and Russia, which is one of the few that helped Italy with something real, and not tweets, the Italian Navy demonstrates its strength in the Black Sea against Russia, as part of the overall NATO mission.
      1. Liam
        Liam 27 March 2020 11: 34 New
        +1
        Googling something like an American field hospital in Cremona or the USA / insulin / Italy
      2. Aleksandr1971
        Aleksandr1971 27 March 2020 14: 32 New
        0
        The unethical situation with Italy means the need to increase the hype about this in the media, especially in the Western media on the fact that Russia is with them with good, and Italy with Russia with evil. And although this will not affect military realities in any way (because Italy is a vassal country), it will once again undermine the trust of at least a part of the population of the West in their governments, especially the Government of Italy.
      3. arkadiyssk
        arkadiyssk 27 March 2020 15: 41 New
        0
        Canada did not send rustkow to the World Cup, and this is not a random ship. HMCS Halifax flagship of this
        NATO No. 2 operational group. Normal PLO frigate of 90 tons. No worse than swimming in the World Cup now.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 27 March 2020 17: 46 New
          +2
          If we compare FREMM and Halifax, then the Italian is located in the part of the frigate "range" that is closer to the EM, and the Canadian is in the one that is closer to the corvettes. Simply put - the Italian underdestructor and the Canadian overturning. smile
          1. arkadiyssk
            arkadiyssk 28 March 2020 06: 39 New
            +1
            Well, you can laugh at the Canadian frigate as much as you like, such as he’s a re-corvette, but in fact he’s even more than 22350 Gorshkov. Do you have pots of corvette or not? After all, we are dragging the Gorshkov series strenuously almost into the ocean oranges. It’s unpleasant, yes, they kind of laughed, but how would they laugh at themselves?
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 30 March 2020 18: 15 New
              0
              Quote: arkadiyssk
              Well, you can laugh at the Canadian frigate as much as you like, such as he’s a re-corvette, but in fact he’s even more than 22350 Gorshkov. Do you have pots of corvette or not?

              And what have the dimensions and displacement? In "controversial situations" you need to look at the composition of the weapons.
              What does Halifax have? SAM self-defense, 8 "harpoons", developed anti-aircraft defense with a helicopter, 57-mm cannon and R2D2. Is there a DD SAM? No. Is there a UVP or other PU under ALCM? No.
              And Project 22350 has all this, in addition to the same PLO with a helicopter, a 130-mm AU and a pair of ZRAK. Therefore, he goes to the upper part of the FR class - "underdestructors".
              And the displacement means much less - it's like with the average "Panther", which the Germans fed to the mass of a heavy tank. smile
              1. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 31 March 2020 10: 20 New
                0
                Quote: Alexey RA
                Is there a UVP or another launcher under the ALCM?

                SLCM, of course.
    2. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 27 March 2020 14: 28 New
      +5
      In the US, the allies are far from always mosquito. They have both aircraft carriers and cruisers and destroyers and frigates.
  • kpd
    kpd 27 March 2020 09: 33 New
    +6
    But where is the mention of the largest navy in the world of 967 pennants? DPRK overtakes China by the number of ships. :)
  • WayKheThuo
    WayKheThuo 27 March 2020 11: 04 New
    17
    I am not special, but I can’t believe that the US fleet in terms of number of pennants = the Russian fleet. What is it like? It's true?
    Even in the best years of the USSR, our fleet was catching up with the US fleet, it seems.
    And most importantly - again, damn it, there are no links in the article!
    Author, your division, you go to the website of the newspaper "Vzglyad", for example, or, to hell with you, here, follow this link: https://vz.ru/world/2020/3/27/1031154.html
    Look, author, almost any factual statement in this article is provided with a link! When will you authors of VO learn to work normally? When you learn to respect, there are no readers, but yourself, your work? Why are you turning Military Review into a fake sharagu?
    More and more often, along with strong articles on the pages of VO, outright nonsense appears, and even done "on the heck".
    It's a shame for VO.
    I think so.
    1. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 27 March 2020 14: 33 New
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      In the best of times, the USSR had about 1300 pennants versus about 700 in the USA. But only our pennants were less perfect and had less combat stability against the US Navy
  • timokhin-aa
    timokhin-aa 27 March 2020 13: 57 New
    +4
    Mediocre material.
  • Undecim
    Undecim 27 March 2020 14: 41 New
    +7
    Someone on the site somehow coordinates the publication? Is it really not clear that this author is strictly forbidden to write on such topics, so as not to disgrace the site.
    1. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 27 March 2020 14: 54 New
      +7
      This is most likely a letter from DIMK MO, which Ryabov just published. In a way, a tribute to the right to cut the truth of the uterus.
      The article came out and some colonel from DIMK will put a tick in the schedule that the position needed by the Ministry of Defense is displayed on the Military Review website.
      That's all.
      1. Mihail2019
        Mihail2019 27 March 2020 20: 39 New
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        Why then does Ryabov broadcast this?
  • Mihail2019
    Mihail2019 27 March 2020 20: 24 New
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    How I "get" this rotten manner of the author - Ryabov Kirill, "pouring from empty to empty"!
    Kiryuha, really got it already for the number of characters in the article to chase!
    What the fuck are you repeating the same thing three times in the article from different approaches ?! Tired, damn it!
  • Mihail2019
    Mihail2019 27 March 2020 20: 30 New
    +5
    For the article - a solid "minus"!
    For nothing! And, the author - Ryabov Kirill suffers from graphomania - writes a lot, and at the same time he repeats a lot. Explicit graphomaniac with philological education!
    Much more interesting is Oleg Kaptsov or Andrey from Chelyabinsk to read ..
  • Mihail2019
    Mihail2019 27 March 2020 20: 37 New
    +2
    My personal wish to Kirill Ryabov is "brevity is the sister of talent!"
    If there is a thought - it must be expressed concisely and once.
    A joke told three times is no longer funny.
    And you, Cyril, the joke for the whole article is repeated not three times, but even more!
    However, this is exactly your manner of writing articles: "one thing for this reason!".
  • Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
    Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 28 March 2020 06: 54 New
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    Quote: Aleksandr1971
    but once again undermines the trust of at least part of the population of the West in their governments


    How many on board the IL-76 IVL Russian-made?
    1. Nemchinov Vl
      Nemchinov Vl 29 March 2020 14: 12 New
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      Quote: Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
      Quote: Aleksandr1971
      but once again undermines the trust of at least part of the population of the West in their governments


      How many on board the IL-76 IVL Russian-made?
      It’s interesting, but it’s more important for a sick person (during a pandemic) to know who made the ventilator, or who provided him with him during illness ?!
  • 3danimal
    3danimal 30 March 2020 13: 10 New
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    About small ships: this is a necessary measure, due to a lack of funds and the inability to build ships of the first rank in any reasonable time. Of the three countries mentioned, both China (2nd world economy) and the USA (1st) build destroyers with a displacement of about 10000 tons. On which it is possible to install more powerful equipment and more weapons.
  • Felix Chuykov
    Felix Chuykov April 1 2020 10: 03 New
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    On the seas without a lady, on the waves of advertising

    In every viral country
    The world is preparing for war.
    And we look from new times
    About gaskets and constipation.

    Felix Chuykov

    21 March 2020 year
  • Alexander Samoilov
    Alexander Samoilov 13 June 2020 09: 32 New
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    Yes, and there wasn’t much point in writing. The miserable condition of our fleet, with the exception of the sub-melting, is obvious to everyone who does not have straw in his head. Just look at the payroll. For all the time of its existence, Russia has not built a single strike ship in the ocean zone. All these fragile shells, capable of swimming only in a basin, are only suitable for protecting enclosed water areas, such as the Black Sea, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk or the Baltic. But aviation and DBK will do just fine with these tasks. And for much less money than fantastically expensive corvettes. To fight for the oceans and wars with the Papuans, you need to have at least a couple of aircraft carriers and a dozen destroyers. But none of this was even laid down.