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The search continues for the pilot of the Su-27 that crashed into the Black Sea

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The search continues for the pilot of the Su-27 that crashed into the Black Sea

It is reported about the fall of the Su-27 fighter in the Black Sea near the Crimean coast. The information is confirmed by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.


The report said that a combat aircraft crashed into the sea during a scheduled flight. It is also known that the Su-27 gave an alarm while in the air about fifty kilometers from the city of Feodosia.

At the moment, measures are being taken to find a pilot. Involved in it aviation equipment, as well as the ship of the Black Sea Fleet. Monitoring of the sea surface is carried out with the Mi-8 and An-26. The situation is complicated by the unrest at sea.

According to the latest information, civilian vessels also joined the search for the pilot. One of them is the Volgo-Balt179 motor ship.

The search for a military pilot is coordinated from Kerch. At the moment, there is no data on the causes of the fall of the fighter in the Black Sea.
It can be assumed that if an alarm was given from the side, then we can talk about a technical factor. So far, the main military department has not commented on the possible causes of the emergency.
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  1. DMB 75
    DMB 75 26 March 2020 06: 05 New
    +35
    Let's hope that the pilot is alive ...
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 26 March 2020 06: 12 New
      +12
      Quote: DMB 75
      Let's hope that the pilot is alive ...

      the sea is cold .. let's keep our fists, but many hours have passed ...
      1. svp67
        svp67 26 March 2020 06: 45 New
        +12
        Quote: Aerodrome
        the sea is cold .. let's keep our fists, but many hours have passed ...

        In the North there was a case when pilots for a long time survived at sea ... Let's hope
        In 1962, the pilot of the MiG fighter, captain Ivan Timofeevich Kunitsyn, after a plane crash and splashed into the White Sea for 68 hours, was waiting for rescue.
        In the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, the Tu-16 pilot was rescued after 17 hours of hanging out in the cold sea.
        1. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 26 March 2020 06: 46 New
          +8
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: Aerodrome
          the sea is cold .. let's keep our fists, but many hours have passed ...

          In the North there was a case when pilots survived at sea for several days ... Let's hope

          the weather is there, but there are all sorts of cases, we hope. Ours survive where the cockroaches die.
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 26 March 2020 17: 00 New
            -2
            It is necessary to find and raise both the pilot and the plane from the World Cup to land!
        2. Malyuta
          Malyuta 26 March 2020 07: 06 New
          +11
          The plane is fucking with him, although you also need to deal with the frequent crashes of military aircraft. Glavnoe. so that the pilot remains alive.
          1. orionvitt
            orionvitt 26 March 2020 09: 58 New
            +2
            Quote: Malyuta
            need to deal with frequent crashes of military aircraft

            It happens. Does not fall, only one who does not fly. The main thing is for the pilot to survive.
    2. Finches
      Finches 26 March 2020 06: 22 New
      +5
      And he almost flew, quite a bit
      He did not reach the landing lights ...
      1. Mitroha
        Mitroha 26 March 2020 06: 34 New
        +6
        Good luck to the search engines. Strength and faith to loved ones. Let's hope the sea is cold now.
    3. Mar.Tirah
      Mar.Tirah 26 March 2020 06: 31 New
      +11
      Quote: DMB 75
      Let's hope that the pilot is alive ...

      They write the pilot saved, raised from the water!
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 26 March 2020 06: 32 New
        +5
        Quote: Mar. Tira
        Quote: DMB 75
        Let's hope that the pilot is alive ...

        They write the pilot saved, raised from the water!

        a reference! well, if so!
        1. Mar.Tirah
          Mar.Tirah 26 March 2020 06: 49 New
          +1
          Chairman of the Council of the Veche Interregional Public Organization, Member of the General Council of the WFP Cases Party, Military Expert, CIGR Center. Vladimir Orlov. A guy seems solid, I would like to believe. Https: //twitter.com/soldier_moskva
          1. Aleksandr21
            Aleksandr21 26 March 2020 06: 57 New
            +7
            Quote: Mar. Tira
            Chairman of the Council of the Veche Interregional Public Organization, Member of the General Council of the WFP Cases Party, Military Expert, CIGR Center. Vladimir Orlov. A guy seems solid, I would like to believe. Https: //twitter.com/soldier_moskva


            It is strange that 7 hours have passed since his tweet, and the media are silent on this topic, and it is not clear who reports, there is no source. Let's wait ... of course I want to believe in the best.
            1. Mar.Tirah
              Mar.Tirah 26 March 2020 07: 04 New
              +3
              Quote: Aleksandr21
              Let's wait ... of course I want to believe in the best.

              I agree. Hope dies last. We will wait for the official news.
          2. Malyuta
            Malyuta 26 March 2020 07: 08 New
            +7
            Quote: Mar. Tira
            They write the pilot saved, raised from the water!

            It would be nice if so!
      2. Paul Siebert
        Paul Siebert 26 March 2020 09: 44 New
        +2
        Quote: Mar. Tira
        Quote: DMB 75
        Let's hope that the pilot is alive ...

        They write the pilot saved, raised from the water!

        Unfortunately, there is no such information yet ...
    4. vkl.47
      vkl.47 26 March 2020 06: 36 New
      +3
      Do the pilots have no beacons? At least in exercises, it’s clear that in a combat situation the enemy can also find. But in exercises, it’s possible. It’s easier to search if that.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 26 March 2020 07: 35 New
        +2
        Quote: vkl.47
        Do pilots have no beacon?


        RESCUERS RECORDED THE SIGNAL OF THE RADIO BEACON OF THE SUG-27 Fighter over the Black Sea
        Far beyond the search area, this signal is now being checked, a source in marine operational services told TASS.

        The Ministry of Defense reported that on Wednesday the plane disappeared about 50 km from Feodosia during a planned flight, according to preliminary data, it crashed into the sea. Now the pilot is looking for rescuers. “They heard the signal now, a helicopter flies to that area. It turned out to be very far from the search area, from the initial coordinates,” the agency’s interlocutor said.

        He specified that the signal is fixed in the direction from the coast towards the sea.

        https://radiomayak.ru/news/article/id/2012363
    5. svp67
      svp67 26 March 2020 06: 43 New
      +3
      Quote: DMB 75
      Let's hope that the pilot is alive ...

      Highly. I hope that he is fully vested and does not threaten him with rapid hypothermia.
      Well, it’s necessary to lose TWO aircraft in a day and just one pilot, some kind of “rainy day”.
      According to the latest information, civilian vessels also joined the search for the pilot. One of them is the Volgo-Balt179 motor ship.
      In stormy weather, such a boat ... well, very chatters.
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 26 March 2020 06: 48 New
        0
        Quote: svp67
        Well, you need to lose TWO aircraft in a day

        "Albatrosses" definitely need to be removed, the old ones already.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 26 March 2020 07: 37 New
          0
          Quote: Aerodrome
          "Albatrosses" definitely need to be removed, the old ones already.

          Especially since long there is a replacement - Yak-130.
    6. 4ekist
      4ekist 26 March 2020 10: 32 New
      +1
      I understand that the plane took off from air. Belbek?
    7. iouris
      iouris 26 March 2020 12: 14 New
      -1
      The time was not indicated in the message, nothing was said about whether the pilot had catapulted, whether the signal from the emergency radio beacon was direction-finding. The pilot rescue system and all rescue technologies are quite primitive.
  2. tlauicol
    tlauicol 26 March 2020 06: 14 New
    -1
    and yesterday’s cadet is alive on L39?
    1. svp67
      svp67 26 March 2020 06: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: Tlauicol
      and yesterday’s cadet is alive on L39?

      He died, there was a message.
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 26 March 2020 06: 51 New
        +7
        Quote: svp67
        Quote: Tlauicol
        and yesterday’s cadet is alive on L39?

        He died, there was a message.

        absolutely kid damn ... eternal flight ...
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 26 March 2020 06: 20 New
    +3
    One can only hope that everything will end happily. Good luck to the search engines and of course courage to the pilot.
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 26 March 2020 07: 17 New
    +2
    Good luck to the rescuers and the pilot. The sea is cold. It will be difficult.
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 26 March 2020 07: 26 New
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Good luck to the rescuers and the pilot. The sea is cold. It will be difficult.

      It seems there is no chance, since yesterday they are looking.
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 26 March 2020 07: 54 New
        +4
        Quote: Gray Brother
        It seems there is no chance

        you can not do it this way. there are chances.
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 26 March 2020 07: 59 New
          +1
          Quote: Aerodrome
          you can not do it this way. there are chances.

          Water is 8 degrees.
          1. Aerodrome
            Aerodrome 26 March 2020 08: 03 New
            +6
            Quote: Gray Brother
            Quote: Aerodrome
            you can not do it this way. there are chances.

            Water is 8 degrees.

            this is understandable, maybe the costume will help, they don’t fly over the sea in shorts.
            1. Gray brother
              Gray brother 26 March 2020 08: 04 New
              0
              Quote: Aerodrome
              this is understandable, maybe the costume will help.

              That is, if he catapulted at all.
          2. Piramidon
            Piramidon 26 March 2020 08: 37 New
            +2
            Quote: Gray Brother
            Quote: Aerodrome
            you can not do it this way. there are chances.

            Water is 8 degrees.

            If I could use the boat, there are chances.
            1. Gray brother
              Gray brother 26 March 2020 08: 41 New
              -2
              Quote: Piramidon
              If I could use the boat, there are chances.

              I am not an expert, but I suspect that then a personal beacon should work, and not an emergency buoy that pops up by itself.
              1. alipes
                alipes 26 March 2020 09: 45 New
                +10
                There are no emergency buoys and personal beacons. When the parachute is opened, the boat falls on the halyard and the radio beacon (r-855y) is turned on in tone mode at a frequency of 121,5 MHz.
                1. Gray brother
                  Gray brother 26 March 2020 11: 08 New
                  0
                  Quote: alipes
                  . When the parachute is opened, the boat falls on the halyard and the radio beacon turns on (r-855u)

                  And they write about the emergency buoy, they enter it into fornication.
                2. Gray brother
                  Gray brother 26 March 2020 11: 15 New
                  -1
                  Quote: alipes
                  There are no emergency buoys and personal beacons.

                  There are buoys on civilian liners.
            2. NN52
              NN52 26 March 2020 09: 21 New
              +5
              At 08.00 a.m. they have not yet found ..
              With strong excitement it is difficult to get into the raft.
          3. New Year day
            New Year day 26 March 2020 08: 59 New
            +22
            Quote: Gray Brother
            Water is 8 degrees.

            From our past life.
            Saki. May, night, 1974. The engine fire on the Tu-22 began at an altitude of 1100, the commander gained a height of 2100 and ordered the crew to leave the plane. One of the pilots got entangled in the NAZ halyard, tore it off and the boat. He stayed in one overalls at night in a cool sea at an equal distance from Sak and Yevpatoriya - 12 kilometers each. I decided to sail in Saki - closer to home. Rescuers caught two who, while sitting in LAS-1, burned false lights and chewed chocolate, searched for the third until the morning, when he himself called from the Poltava sanatorium. Swam up.
            Anything can happen
            1. Aerodrome
              Aerodrome 26 March 2020 09: 02 New
              +7
              Quote: Silvestr
              From our past life.

              remembered ... "to make nails from These people ..."
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 26 March 2020 09: 03 New
                +12
                Quote: Aerodrome
                remembered ... "to make nails from These people ..."

                Yes, there were people! Where is my Soviet Union! Where is my youth!
            2. bober1982
              bober1982 26 March 2020 09: 09 New
              0
              Quote: Silvestr
              They searched for the third until morning, when he himself called from the Poltava sanatorium. Swam up.

              Is this the one who decided to sail in Saki in one jumpsuit?
              They raised the mood in the morning, and I also liked the way they chewed the chocolate.
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 26 March 2020 09: 10 New
                +2
                Quote: bober1982
                Is this the one who decided to sail in Saki in one jumpsuit?

                Yes. There is a stream still along the coast and May in the yard. Sailed
                1. bober1982
                  bober1982 26 March 2020 09: 12 New
                  -6
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  Sailed

                  Breaststroke or crawl?
                  1. New Year day
                    New Year day 26 March 2020 09: 14 New
                    +3
                    Quote: bober1982
                    Breaststroke or crawl?

                    didn't tell us boys laughing , it was not in sight.
                    1. bober1982
                      bober1982 26 March 2020 09: 26 New
                      +3
                      Okay, jokes with jokes, we wish good luck to the rescuers, there is always a chance to survive.
            3. ancient
              ancient 26 March 2020 10: 36 New
              +4
              Quote: Silvestr
              From our past life.

              Your data is not correct, because not subject to data from Bulletin No. .... Information on Accidents and Disasters of Tu-22 in parts of YES,
              Between 1960 and 1989: "
              The only crash similar to “your story” occurred at 30 ODRAP in:
              ACCIDENT 22.05.1973/XNUMX/XNUMX
              Aircraft Tu-22r, 30 ODRAP Black Sea Fleet, Saki airfield
              Pilot - troop commander, 1st-class military pilot, Major V. Gorodianko
              The crew - the navigator of the detachment, Captain Konopelkin A.V., head of the VOS aerospace defense captain A. Benenko
              Night, PMU.
              Flight to the zone in the clouds. 26, entry through the OSB system under the shutter control 31 KBP RA-67g
              AP circumstances:
              During the first run through the OSB system in the area of ​​the third turn at Н = 1m and V = 3 km / h, a significant jolt appeared on the plane, after 500-500 seconds the left engine fire broke out, as the crew reported to the RP. The crew commander turned off the engine, removed the chassis, switched the right engine to afterburner mode, set the dial mode to V = 3-5 km / h, and ordered the crew to eject at N = 500m. The crew left the plane, the systems worked, the splashdown occurred 520 km west of Saki. The commander of the ship, the head of the VOS - used the ACC correctly, the navigator did not use it, kept it on the water until the ships arrived.
              Conclusion on the causes of AP
              It was not possible to establish the true cause of the plane crash.
              The most likely cause of an airplane fire is internal engine failure.
              Yours faithfully, soldier
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 26 March 2020 11: 00 New
                +2
                Quote: ancient
                Best regards

                In my opinion, this is exactly the case in the official version. Right - 1973. I’ll clarify at home hi
                1. bober1982
                  bober1982 26 March 2020 11: 08 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  In my opinion, just that case in the official version

                  How did Captain Konopelkin swim to Saki?
                  1. New Year day
                    New Year day 26 March 2020 20: 12 New
                    +2
                    Quote: bober1982
                    How did Captain Konopelkin swim to Saki?

                    See forum 30 regiment Saki-4.
                    Three stories about Konopelkin Uncle Sasha.
                    https://www.forumavia.ru/t/47910/95/
                    There, eyewitnesses describe just that. Choosing between adult stories and the official version, I prefer living people. They may be wrong dates, but not in essence
                    1. bober1982
                      bober1982 26 March 2020 20: 34 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Silvestr
                      See forum 30 regiment Saki-4.

                      There, on the forum, 95 (ninety-five) pages - which one? By the way, these aviation forums have long been bent, a lot of empty talk.
                      Quote: Silvestr
                      There, eyewitnesses describe just that. Choosing between adult stories and the official version, I prefer living people. They may be wrong dates, but not in essence

                      Your retelling - jumped, stayed in one overalls and boots, and swam in the cool water towards the house, in Saki (removing 12 km to the shore), then, after the swim, somehow ended up in a sanatorium, from there he announced his salvation. that’s the point.
                      What are the eyewitnesses? in a very drunken state you can compose this.
                      1. New Year day
                        New Year day 26 March 2020 22: 00 New
                        +5
                        Quote: bober1982
                        which one?

                        on the 95th.
                        Quote: bober1982
                        What are the eyewitnesses? in a very drunken state you can compose this.

                        perhaps it was in this state that fellow soldiers told me not to judge.
                      2. bober1982
                        bober1982 27 March 2020 04: 54 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        on the 95th.

                        Thank you for the hint, I read, The Kingdom of Heaven be upon him.
                        About the flying knife that pulled to the seabed, it certainly ........, smiled.
                        Dear Sylvester, read the official airline accident bulletins.
                        Aircraft tales, it’s certainly good, it’s not so sad to live in this world.
                      3. New Year day
                        New Year day 27 March 2020 17: 59 New
                        +3
                        Quote: bober1982
                        Aircraft tales, it’s certainly good, it’s not so sad to live in this world.

                        So this is good! From the realities of the day you can go crazy
            4. ancient
              ancient 26 March 2020 11: 17 New
              +1
              Quote: Silvestr
              I’ll clarify at home

              In 1974, there were only two flight accidents with Tu-22 aircraft, both are classified as disasters (15 OTRAP, Ostrov and 30 ODRAP, Saki) both Tu-22R aircraft.
              1. Andrey Yuryevich
                Andrey Yuryevich 26 March 2020 18: 10 New
                +1
                Quote: ancient
                In 1974 year

                Ancient ... You can’t imagine how I am ... I will not speak because-censorship. how happy i am to read you !!! I rarely go in myself, I’m looking for friends, less and less of them, damn it, how glad I am that you are noted! I wish you and Lena’s health (yes? Do we have wives the same name? and sons! and forgive me if not in vain. and yes, let your glide slope be very long, very, and don’t let out the chassis, it's just a “conveyor” - fast and the furious cut and go ...., I hope that I will be in the heavenly KDP at this time, you will fly on ... fly
              2. New Year day
                New Year day 26 March 2020 20: 19 New
                +3
                Quote: ancient
                In 1974, there were only two flight accidents with Tu-22 aircraft, both are classified as disasters (15 OTRAP, Ostrov and 30 ODRAP, Saki) both Tu-22R aircraft.

                in my records there is only one:
                30.10.1974/22/XNUMX during a scheduled flight to SMU for an undetermined reason, a Tup accident occurred, piloted by regiment commander Colonel V.F. Fesenko (navigator, inspector of the Air Force Base of the Black Sea Fleet, major V.N. Samsonenko, operator - head of electronic warfare AE Captain E. A. Kuznetsov).
                Do not tell me, who else?
                And the case I described was precisely in the 73rd of May 22.
                1. ancient
                  ancient 27 March 2020 11: 25 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  in my records there is only one:

                  Quite rightly - in 30 ODRAP in 1974 there was only one PL - the Tu-22R catastrophe, as a member of the fighter Fesenko V.F., only at that time he held the position of Deputy Head of the Air Force Airborne Division.
                  Conclusion on the causes of AP:
                  The most likely cause of the crash is the loss of controllability of the aircraft due to a failure of the control system or the destruction of the aircraft, which did not allow the crew to report what had happened and to use rescue equipment.

                  About the "rest" of the incident, I wrote, it is at 15 ODRAP, BF aviation, Ostrov. When flying to the Chklalovsk airfield, in the set H mode, the airplane’s power supply was completely de-energized. The crew ejected ... the plane flew another 7-10 km and exploded in the air.
                2. ancient
                  ancient 27 March 2020 11: 39 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  Do not tell me, who else?

                  There was another incident in 1974 (May 24.05.)., But this was counted as a catastrophe that occurred on earth:
                  The crew of the commander of Lieutenant Colonel Malyshev G.V. (341 TBAP, military unit 27882, Ozernoye aerodrome), a 1st-class military pilot, flew from Baranavichy aerodrome to Ozernoye aerodrome.
                  On the take-off run (23rd sec), when a speed of about 350 km / h was reached at a distance of 1740 m from the start of the runway, a fire broke out in the pressurized cabin.
                  The pilot stopped taking off, removing the throttle of both engines, and began braking with the main brakes.
                  He turned off the engines and the crew de-energized the plane.
                  The car went down to the ground, the front landing gear broke and the plane sank to the nose. At a speed of 200-220 km / h, the plane collided with a railway embankment located at a distance of 408 m from the end of the runway, jumped to the other side of the railway, exploded and burned down. The crew of three people died.
                  Reason:
                  Fire in the cockpit. After the plane collided with an obstacle, most of the structural elements and equipment of the pressurized cabin burned out; it was not possible to establish the exact location of the fire site.
        2. ancient
          ancient 26 March 2020 10: 48 New
          +2
          Quote: Silvestr
          until he called from the sanatorium "Poltava". Swam up.

          Sanatorium "Poltava-Crimea" really has a place to be (the most famous PRZ of the USSR).
          Therefore, if captain Konopelkin A.V. "got" there ..... then his "local treatment contingent" released "only" at least 5 days later and ....... he is far away .. "not of the first freshness" (joke, but ... with a statement of fact wink )
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 26 March 2020 13: 18 New
            +1
            Quote: ancient
            ancient c

            Ancient, are you this ?! Glad to see you. Firmly shake your hand !!! soldier drinks
            Well, you bastard, you won’t send the news ?????
        3. Bshkaus
          Bshkaus 26 March 2020 13: 07 New
          +2
          From our past life.

          And I at VMSK and TZK managed to freeze to bones in a small pool of 1x2,5 meters and not more than 1 deep in an hour, and I didn’t specifically measure it in a room at a water temperature “cold from a tap”, but somewhere around 12-17.
          Who would have thought that the “perfectly fitted” curtain on the neck immediately gave such a leak that after 5 minutes I was completely wet. after half an hour, I didn’t get a tooth on the tooth, after an hour I barely got out because I couldn’t raise my legs because of the large amount of water in the Navy. There you go factor.
          chewed chocolate

          And the more inquisitive comrades also climbed into the ice hole in the Navy in cold weather, although they froze, they hated for 6-8 hours, didn’t heroize further, but they hated, provided that in the first minutes the water did not start flowing under the Navy, otherwise there’s nothing catch "and it becomes clear right there. God forbid this in real conditions happen because of open valves or a tight fitting curtain (((
          Chocolate, by the way, actually turned out to be a good help, to have with it several tiles flying over the sea - this should be an unwritten law.
        4. Looking for
          Looking for 26 March 2020 15: 53 New
          +1
          MAY NOT MARCH.
      2. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 26 March 2020 20: 44 New
        +1
        Quote: Gray Brother
        Water 8 degrees

        It's all.
  • Karaul73
    Karaul73 26 March 2020 08: 13 New
    +4
    Quote: Aerodrome
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: Aerodrome
    the sea is cold .. let's keep our fists, but many hours have passed ...

    In the North there was a case when pilots survived at sea for several days ... Let's hope

    the weather is there, but there are all sorts of cases, we hope. Ours survive where the cockroaches die.

    They are strong flyers. We think only about the good!
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 26 March 2020 09: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: Sentry73
      Quote: Aerodrome
      Quote: svp67
      Quote: Aerodrome
      the sea is cold .. let's keep our fists, but many hours have passed ...

      In the North there was a case when pilots survived at sea for several days ... Let's hope

      the weather is there, but there are all sorts of cases, we hope. Ours survive where the cockroaches die.

      They are strong flyers. We think only about the good!

      yes, not we, nowadays, sofas, drinking everything that burns, and smoking everything that smokes. and ... censorship ... and so, yes, the Air Force guys are an elite without any allegations, the best and healthiest, these are and there is the Color of the Nation, I even agree to extremes, the pilot, consider the old title. and yes, I saw what they are from the assignment.
  • vaay
    vaay 26 March 2020 09: 27 New
    +2
    Judging by the current data available from AIS https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:35.8/centery:44.9/zoom:11
    - they are still looking for ... The vessels involved in the rescue operation are all on the go, zigzagging. Searches are on the beam of Cape Chaud, at a distance of about 20 km, the water temperature in the search area is about 9 degrees. As a guide, follow the tow Rescue Demidov.
  • Aerodrome
    Aerodrome 26 March 2020 09: 46 New
    0
    Quote: vaay
    Judging by the current data available

    he will survive. point.
    1. vaay
      vaay 26 March 2020 10: 12 New
      0
      “The search continues. We were informed that in the early morning hours the Navy’s helicopter established the supposed point of rescue equipment — a rubber boat, possibly with a pilot. Our sea tug "Rescuer of Demidov" was sent there, and the military sent a helicopter there, ”the source said.
  • Archivist Vasya
    Archivist Vasya 26 March 2020 09: 50 New
    +2
    The search for the Su-27 pilot who crashed into the Black Sea continues. This is better read.
    In general, things are bad, the water is cold, but have not yet been found. Life suits / boats that are included in the equipment of pilots is a dubious thing, rarely helps ...
    1. Bshkaus
      Bshkaus 26 March 2020 13: 10 New
      +4
      Life suits / boats which are included in the equipment of pilots is a dubious thing

      Unfortunately, I agree. Here everything is too unpredictable: you can die with all the means of protection for an hour, you can survive in terrible conditions in spite of the "standards".
      As the saying goes, "by the will of God."
  • sanik2020
    sanik2020 26 March 2020 11: 07 New
    0
    These MUZHIK protect their homeland and not wipe their pants in the offices.
    We are waiting, believe, hope for the good!
    1. iouris
      iouris 26 March 2020 16: 35 New
      -1
      Be careful with the "men." The girls are already preparing to become military pilots, and even in long-range aviation.
      1. Aag
        Aag 26 March 2020 16: 46 New
        0
        In my opinion, an unreasonable farce ....
        1. Aag
          Aag 26 March 2020 18: 49 New
          +1
          Passed by, argue, please!
  • turbris
    turbris 26 March 2020 12: 54 New
    -2
    Unfortunately, there is nothing more to hope for, except for a miracle ........
  • ZVS
    ZVS 26 March 2020 13: 12 New
    0
    If the pilot was alive or was on the surface of the water, then the emergency beacon system would work. But it apparently did not work, since it’s been looking for almost twenty hours. Most likely the pilot at the bottom of the sea with the plane.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 26 March 2020 18: 29 New
      0
      Quote: SU
      Most likely the pilot at the bottom of the sea with the plane.

      there is still our “maybe” ... I'm for the “maybe” ... and tomorrow we ... will be in the black.
    2. Rzzz
      Rzzz 27 March 2020 11: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: SU
      then the emergency beacon system would work. And she apparently didn’t work

      Unfortunately, the Moscow Region is still using the Komar radio station from the 60s. These balalaikas killed more people than saved.
      COSPAS-SARSAT military stubbornly refuse to use what is specifically intended for this, motivating it to be an international system and not suitable for military installations.
      The main drawback of the Mosquito is that it is useless when there is no search plane in the visibility range. It has a very weak VHF beacon, the direction of which can be determined by a direction finder, which is not on board with ordinary aircraft and ships.
      Another minus is the battery, which has a low capacity, does not last long, is afraid of the cold.

      According to the mind, it is necessary to supply pilots with a satellite buoy, a floating VHF marine radio station with GPS and DSC for communication with steamers and the same floating RST aviation range. All are modern, with five-year lithium batteries that work up to -30 ° C.
      The 21st century is in the yard.
      1. kit88
        kit88 27 March 2020 17: 06 New
        +6
        Cospas is not an option. The same Americans also do not use it stubbornly.
        And here is their 5th generation combat search and rescue system HOOK2 (Just in case, our Komar is the 1st generation), with a “radio station” in the ANZ AN / PRC-112G - this is a normal reference point for the development of our MSS.
        1. Rzzz
          Rzzz 28 March 2020 13: 08 New
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          Well, all over the world, civilian users are successfully using COSPAS, and they are many times more than military. Despite the fact that the system is not without flaws and needs to be modernized, but it works very effectively.
          And besides ARB, they would put in the NAZ another marine GMDSS radio station.

          So that the ships could call for help. She bucks the price of 500, and in that situation (a floundering pilot in a wave in a suit) this is probably the most useful thing. There are hundreds of civilian ships in the Black Sea, a ship will approach any point within an hour or two, and using DSC, coordinates will be solved and the search problem will be removed. On EVERY steamboat in the sea, even on small yachts, stand, and constantly operate radio stations with DSC.
          1. kit88
            kit88 28 March 2020 14: 01 New
            +5
            Cospas, GMDSS is all civil.
            Need a military, classified, with frequencies of 121,5; 243; 406, with automatic sending of coordinates, callsigns, with Glonass channels, preferably GSM.
            1. Rzzz
              Rzzz 29 March 2020 09: 51 New
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              Why classify a rescue operation? So that no one would find out that our pilots died as a result of imperfect technology and the collapse of rescue services? In the best traditions?
              1. kit88
                kit88 29 March 2020 12: 01 New
                +6
                It is necessary to classify.
                This is the first requirement for new rescue communications equipment. And here it is not a desire to hide something from someone. It's about the life of a pilot.
                Now the R-855 works only in open mode and is easily direction-finding by the enemy. And when the pilot tries to designate his PSS place, the enemy sends his “rescue” group to him. There are also known cases when in Afghanistan perfumes specifically included our beacons in order to trap PSS helicopters. Now the pilots simply do not use a mosquito when bailing over enemy territory.
                Distinguishing means of salvation for peacetime and military sense does not make sense.
                By the way, the adversary AN / PRC-112G already mentioned by me secret itself all:
              2. kit88
                kit88 29 March 2020 12: 38 New
                +6
                Our business is how it goes.

                The lighthouse is turned on in open mode at 121,5 MHz.
                He is heard by An-26 and Mi-8 PSS equipped with ARK-U2. The drive will be carried out from a distance of 10-15 km. And only bearing without range. Voice communication through Komar - direct visibility no more than 800 m.
                800 METERS!
                Barmalei with Chinese scanners also perfectly detect the signal.

                And look at what they have. To start. An analogue of our R-855UM - AN / PRC-90 was sent to the scrap in 1994.


                What now.

                The receiver of the NAVSTAR KRNS space radio navigation system built into the AN / PRC-112G, when the radio is turned on, determines the coordinates of the pilot’s location with an accuracy of 25 m, which are automatically included in the coded emergency signal transmitted via the relay satellite to the search and rescue center simultaneously with the pilot’s identification number. This allows you to detect the pilot and track the route for his further movement. The integrated receiver of the system can also be used separately for orientation on the ground.
                Positioning accuracy up to 25 m;


                The AN / PRC-112G radio station provides voice communication and packet data transmission, communication within the line of sight and beyond the horizon, can send encoded signals about its location, user identification information, situation data and other important information to search and rescue aircraft and to helicopters. Information is transmitted by bursts of pulses of short duration, which reduces the likelihood of detection and interception of radio station signals by the enemy

                In short, you will not write. There are a lot and everything for people. There is where our PSS is striving.
      2. ZVS
        ZVS 28 March 2020 14: 34 New
        -1
        How it is? In the USSR, they used the COSPAS-SARSAT system, but now they are not using it? ))))) And through which the Komar-2UM transmits a distress signal, what do you think? Search ARCs on helicopters are tuned to the same frequency. When practicing a flight to search for a person in distress, it was forbidden to use Komar and its frequency, because A signal via satellite was received by both foreign search services and our CentroSpas. Therefore, in order not to make a fuss, they tuned to an inoperative frequency and a radio station, and ARK-U.2
  • senima56
    senima56 26 March 2020 13: 19 New
    +7
    I really hope that the pilot is alive. And our "search and rescue system" is th ... but! It needs to be radically revised and equipped with new equipment and people. Where is it seen, 50 km from the coast, do not find the object giving signals ?! And do not blame the weather! You are the rescuers, so you can find and save at night, in bad weather! Otherwise, drive you a filthy broom!
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 26 March 2020 13: 42 New
      +2
      Quote: senima56
      . And our "search and rescue system" is th ... but! It needs to be radically revised and equipped with new equipment and people.

      exactly. no comments.
    2. NN52
      NN52 26 March 2020 17: 13 New
      +2
      senima56
      You are generally in the subject, what are you writing about? specialist...
      A chair with a pilot would come out, there would be a signal to you ... And then they would quickly find a pilot ...
      1. alipes
        alipes 26 March 2020 20: 31 New
        +2
        Minus friends of aviation, do not pay attention, they do not know how the rescue system works.
  • Voyager
    Voyager 26 March 2020 15: 51 New
    0
    What kind of a black line is it when this bullshit is over
    1. Flyer_64
      Flyer_64 26 March 2020 19: 12 New
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      This is not a strip. More recently, at one training ground there was already one AP with a plane crash, but then the pilot ejected. The Chaud polygon is now interspecific. There is an assumption that, somewhere, something did not dock. Something similar to the IL-20. This is a bad job system.
  • airgus
    airgus 26 March 2020 16: 32 New
    +1
    Here. And then they say that the pilots do not take risks, we won’t pay a premium for them, it’s better for the divers to pay it (premium), they’re out every day.
  • Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 26 March 2020 17: 22 New
    0
    But haven't our “partners” shot down a bird?
    Only they will not tell us about it ...
    1. Rushnairfors
      Rushnairfors 26 March 2020 17: 40 New
      +1
      There is infa that the slave has withered, but this is not accurate.
      1. Tuzik
        Tuzik 27 March 2020 02: 04 New
        0
        Howled it?
  • Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 26 March 2020 20: 30 New
    0
    What is the water temperature now? Most likely he was already frozen ...