About the new Constitution of the Russian Federation: comments

After reviewing a part of the (small) comments from readers in an article about the “amendments” to the Constitution, I decided to continue the topic.

And the first thing that inspired me to do this was a demonstration of a complete misunderstanding of the issue by readers.

The main mass that lives in a constant struggle with the terrible disease “The First Channel of the Brain” and which comes to “VO” exclusively to express its Personal Opinion and show how damaged the author is is dedicated.

Instead of an epigraph:

"The author is a liberal of pure water .. in fact a traitor to the MOTHERLAND! who ever ran this article here? question to administrators .. WHO allowed a traitor to write an article here? the author is a lying parasite .... that climbs out who really writes articles here .... An article is custom-made pure water .. Constitutional changes it is IMPORTANT to vote for it MANDATORY! and to the author of the article there is a desire to solder the TIME for INFRASCIA and alarmism! ! "

Spelling and punctuation of the original are fully preserved.

The portrait of a true patriot is evident. It reminds me very much of one European country. There were such vogue performances from the rostrum and on the radio. How it ended, everyone remembers?

For almost 10 years of work at VO, I have long concluded for myself that there are a lot of smart people. That's just to speak, they are no longer torn in the front ranks, but this is understandable. Messi will not go to play Erchim for any money, even considering that this club is a 9-time champion. Mongolia, true, but still ... I think the analogy here is clear.

Therefore, it does not pull to argue and spend arguments.

But there is another. Here it is:

“Not a word about the ban on the alienation of the territories of Russia, the author is against this amendment, why are you silent. Not a word about the ban on foreign citizens being officials (ban on second citizenship). Not a word about an attempt to change the relationship between international norms and rules and Russian laws, if international is harmful to us, we are guided by our laws. So far, we are guided by the instructions of the IMF, RRB, etc. ”

Okay, there was an attempt made. Because - let's go.

So, about the alienation of territories. A very important point? No, it is clear that after introducing this paragraph into the Constitution, if Vanya Vetkin says / writes in Odnoklassniki that “they failed, the Kuril Islands”, Vanya will have to be imprisoned. As I understand it, this is exactly what the “patriots” want.

Excuse me, can Vanya give the Kuril Islands? Not. Is it stupid? Stupid.

And who can? No, is that real?

And let’s Khrushchev in the next world alone leave. He transferred this Crimea from one republic of the USSR to another. Another question that Yeltsin did not want to take ...

Or another moment. Rejection, transmission is bad. And when is it under the brand name of “demarcation” - how is it? Yes, I’m talking about September 5, 2010, when with a stroke of the pen, Medvedev and Putin suddenly gave the Norwegians 80 square kilometers of the shelf. Together with fishing grounds and oil reserves.

And do not say that Putin has "nothing to do with it, it’s Medvedev who is all a scoundrel." Medvedev, he poor fellow, only on Twitter could write something without the permission of his prime minister.

And the islands on the Amur? Ah, demarcation too ...

Here, in fact, is the answer to the question: how to give territory correctly, if you really want to. Already itchy when. Demarcation. At the request of the “one”, the parties specified, measured and so on.

So ... All these screams somehow don't look very good. To ban the tearing away of the territory suddenly decided by those who gave them quite normally. Yes, at first they gave it away, then it was banned. In addition to demarcation. The loophole remained, otherwise in general “bees against honey” turned out.

Second part. International law and the rejection of its prevalence over national.

I don’t know why everyone was so excited about this business. I don’t “understand”, but I don’t know how to eat it. Because from a legal point of view, you can make different calculations, but without international legal organizations you can’t get far.

I repeat and quote my reader again:

“Not a word about an attempt to change the relationship between international norms and rules and Russian laws, if international is harmful to us, we are guided by our laws. So far, we are guided by the instructions of the IMF, RRB, etc. ”

The reader has piled together international law and international financial institutions.

Meanwhile, existing international norms are not ignored, but do not govern the domestic legal systems in most countries of the world.

So, in the United States in the event of a conflict between the rule of international law and domestic law (and in particular a precedent), the judge will always be guided by the latter. In the UK, a judge has no competence to apply international law if it does not comply with national law. If in France an international obligation contains a provision contrary to the constitution, then permission to ratify or approve it can be given only after a constitutional review.

Who is against this? Yes, no one. I do not mind, although some readers attribute it to me.

Another question: when does it work?

Perhaps it is worth recalling what the Constitution is. She, the Constitution, is defined as The basic Law, and all other normative acts, laws, rules that apply in the territory of the Russian Federation, must not contradict it.

You see, if, say, an international treaty contradicts the Constitution of the Russian Federation, then the Constitution is in force. And no one in the world will say anything, everyone has the same thing.

Yes, of course, the supremacy of the Constitution is wonderful. The whole secret here is that the Constitution, as our American partners say, is not a self-fulfilling law. Her, darling, it is necessary to execute. But it’s more difficult to get to the Constitutional Court here than to reach Berlin in 1941.

And in general, many were faced with the fact that on the basis of foreign laws they were inconvenient? Did many feel Uncle Sam's heavy hand on his neck? International law and international laws strangling our weak Constitution?

I understand that there is a definition of international law. But, alas, there is neither an international criminal code in it, nor any other. International law is a set of agreements and national laws of all countries.

There is, of course, the International Criminal Court in The Hague. But he operates with concepts that are in the legislation of any normal country: genocide, war crimes and so on.

UN International Court of Justice. Also an interesting organization.

When considering a case and making decisions, the Court applies the sources of law, which are defined in article 38 of its Statute:
- international conventions and treaties;
- international custom;
- general principles of law recognized by civilized nations;
- court decisions and doctrines of the most qualified specialists in international law.

In addition, if the parties to the dispute agree, the Court may decide the case on the basis of the principle ex aequo et bono, that is, in fairness, without limiting itself to the applicable rules of international law.

And the most interesting.

It seems to many of our readers that if the Constitution is prescribed that international law does not prevail over national law, it will somehow be able to solve all the problems. Say, we don’t recognize, we are sending, we are all so proud and independent that right now we will calibrate everyone!

Yeah ... And who will tell me why Gazprom, having lost the court with Naftogaz, losing slippers, rushed to transfer money? Yes, and considering that cheap got off?

We are all so cool ... With Caliber!

Everything is simple. There are international standards under which ALL parties to proceedings are required to act. And if one of the parties decides that international law is for the wimps, then be sure that this side will be immediately understood.

And not aircraft carriers.

If Gazprom, having lost the court of last resort to Naftogaz, refused to pay, then it would simply run into the confiscation of its assets on the territory of those countries that are civilized. And given the fact that it’s kind of like a state-owned company, it could easily be possible to seize any property of the Russian Federation around the world against Gazprom’s legal debts.

And if someone does not believe, then I advise you to recall how the embassies in the United States were closed.

To summarize, I can say the following. The coolest country in terms of democracy, the United States, has 7 articles in the Constitution. And it’s very, I note, that it lives quite well.

For comparison: the Indian Constitution consists of 465 articles, 12 major annexes, more than 70 amendments.

It’s not a question, you can fuck everything in the constitution. At least a change of signals at a traffic light. Anything. The constitution becomes the basic law only when it is strictly implemented. And it is not a toy for everyone who can afford to reach it.

So far, in Russia it turns out that way. A huge number of amendments are aimed solely at ensuring the rule of those who today really have power in Russia. That is, the oligarchy.

Want an example? Easy.

Central Bank type regulator. Which should be the first to guard the interests of the ruble. So far, for all of her rule, Ms. Nabiullina has fulfilled ONE promise: to let the ruble go into free fall and not support it.

He, sickly, has since fallen. The only question is how quickly it will reach 100 per dollar. In what comes - no doubt. All prerequisites are created.

Of course, gentlemen, our patriots are sure that as soon as the Constitution of the Russian Federation is added that the Central Bank is obliged to take care of the ruble exchange rate, it will immediately become 30 per dollar.

Well, dream it is not forbidden.

No, it’s clear that agents of the State Department were to blame for the catastrophic fall of the ruble, who pushed Novak out of the OPEC meeting room and broke his pen so that he couldn’t sign anything.

The best slogan: “vote, or lose.” The funniest thing is that they vote. And they lose. With the stubbornness of neighbors whose rake dances are national fun. But at least they can afford to experiment with the presidents. What if you're lucky?

Unlucky. But ours do not even try. What for?

We must accept the amendments, because Putin so wanted - we will accept. Without going into details that 97% of the Constitution is dedicated to the fact that a handful of politicians and oligarchs will rule almost forever. What for? The main thing is that the family will only be treated as a union of a man and a woman. There are no other problems in Russia, right? And God is officially recognized.

Dual citizenship will be banned for officials ... Wow, what a progressive step ... God, whoever needs it, whoever steals, he just then, having vacated his chair, will buy this citizenship and calmly leave there, to live honestly worked out.

Chubais does not have a second citizenship. No, Nabiullina. No, Medvedev. No Gref. No Sechin. No Serdyukov. Do you feel better, gentlemen, patriots? I have listed, it turns out, the most worthy and honest, who do not have citizenship other than Russian. Everything is fine, we are building a crowd and bring down a bright future.

Well, or accept the new Constitution. Because, it turns out, it’s important to accept all the amendments. Of course, it’s important. The only question is to whom.

After all, everything is already thought out, it remains only to vote. For the Constitution, which undoubtedly, as soon as it is adopted, it will make everyone rich and drag it into a brighter future.

Gentlemen, doesn’t it bother you that the same people as 10 years ago will execute the Constitution? And they will obviously perform in exactly the same way?

It doesn’t bother. Clear.

For the rest, who are not among them, I will allow myself to give only one call to action. Think. Think and draw conclusions. The conclusions are primarily about how much what is being declared today is in line with expectations and reality. How much can you believe those who do things like pension robbery, Plato, games with the ruble and gas prices that grow only in Russia. And further down the list.

Think. For smart people, perhaps the future.

Comments

[Aerodrome]

About the new Constitution of the Russian Federation: comments

The novel, in general, is right, it will be a new constitution (there will be no doubt that there will be no doubts, everything is done, there is only "cosmetics") and of course the horror that the "package" is "a" referendum "- yes, with two" quotation marks "... good amendments are disguised, coupled with nonsense, and frank points" for themselves. " let them endure ... do not go. decided. it's pointless to play with someone who has three aces up their sleeve.

[Uncle lee]

You cannot argue with the Leader of the world proletariat!

[Machito]

The amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation actually establish the dictatorship of the oligarchy. Changes to the Constitution were adopted by all public authorities in less than a week. In order to give the appearance of legitimacy to the amendments to the Constitution, it was decided to hold a popular vote, which does not solve anything. The decision has already been made by all levels of government, but postponed until a deliberative vote is held with the people.
The authorities became generous from the successful constitutional coup and granted the people the right of consultative vote.
Meanwhile, according to the current Constitution of the Russian Federation, the main source of power is the people.
The constitution is trampled. Welcome to the dictatorship of the capitalists with the Russian Guard on guard of their interests.

[Victor N]

Useful corrections. They passed quickly because the people in power were smart and intelligent, and it was not for nothing that the people chose them. And the dull hiss and spit.

[Nikza]

So what? The previous Constitution has not been implemented and this will be interpreted as they need. The author is right. The point is not in the law, but in those who monitor its implementation. And the people in general do not care for everything. There is a smartphone with rollers and even though the grass does not grow.

[Gene84]

Quote: Aerodrome

Roman, in general, is right

The novel is not just right; Roman wrote a wonderful article! There is something to think about and make the right decision on the voting procedure for the adopted constitutional amendments.

[Svarog]

Quote: Gene84

The novel is not just right; Roman wrote a wonderful article!

I support .. Roman smashed the "patriots" on each item ..

[Stas157]

Quote: Svarog

I support .. The novel smashed the "patriots" on each item..

Recently, they generally look faded.

[kjhg]

Quote: Stas157

Quote: Svarog

I support .. The novel smashed the "patriots" on each item..

Recently, they generally look faded.

There is a rational explanation for this. According to the box, they can’t say anything intelligible (they’re not capable of thinking on their own), except for appealing for amendments such as idiotic that marriage is a union of a man and a woman. But it is written in black and white in the family code! Or, the same idiotic record that Russia was created by God. And they want it in the Constitution, in the 21st century, Karl! In the West, in this regard, they look at us as if they had completely gone crazy. And I honestly understand them. This is the same thing that a couple of centuries ago the Constitution would have written that the Earth is flat and rests on three pillars. But, unfortunately, the power of propaganda is such that it can both create in good hands and destroy it, falling into the hands of dark forces. This was clearly demonstrated to us by the Germans in the 20th century. The current Russian government is doing its best to recall this by manipulating, zombifying and mocking its people. But we have two significant advantages over the German people of those times. This is the Internet and a good memory of the Soviet past. Therefore, I believe that the current government in the foreseeable future is doomed to overthrow, condemn and hold a people's trial over it.
PS Many thanks to Roman for his righteous work. There is confidence that while there are such people, we will not slip to the level of the 3rd Reich.

[Gene84]

Quote: kjhg

the power of propaganda is such that it can both create, in good hands, and destroy it, falling into the hands of dark forces.

The authorities are no less convinced that street campaigning is a death sentence for her, that it takes only 2-3 years to pass — and she will face the ghost of a popular revolution.
Russian Social Democratic Party
and her immediate tasks. 1901 //
Op., Vol. 1, p. 26-28.
https://www.politpros.com/bulletin/read/?ID=1189&bulletin=115

[I]

,, Quote: Svarog
I support .. Roman smashed the "patriots" on each item ..

They have recently looked generally faded. ,,


It all depends on the goals of the author and admins. As they need, they look so.

[Den717]

Quote: Svarog

The novel smashed the "patriots" on every point ..

In general, I am not opposed to "scattering", if it is carried out in a convincing and reasonable manner. Only this is not a task - the article is called not "patriotic talk", but "on the new constitution. Comments". The author flopped in the wrong direction. Instead of the constitution, the author began to express grievances against the criticism of the article. I would see the content of the article "on the new constitution" something like this:
".... In short, the content is as follows:
1. The Council of State is a simple organ under the president; no additional constitutional powers have been issued to him.
The federal law on a state body is a ritual phenomenon; it exists even in relation to the Public Chamber. The State Council will not even get the right to legislative initiative.
2. The President will not be able to hold office for more than two terms at all. The "Anti-Solzhenitsyn" amendment for the 1993 presidential candidates (10 years of residence in Russia) has been clarified and strengthened - now you need to live for at least 25 years and never have foreign citizenship or residence permit.
But Natalya Poklonskaya will be able to become president - for the case of the entry of foreign states or their parts into Russia they made exceptions .....
Or so:
".... In the conditions of life under the same Constitution in the past and present centuries, it is quite indicative how political approaches have changed in the system of checks and balances during the formation of the Constitutional Court. In 1994-1995, there were memorable examples when out of six candidates submitted to the Federation Council for vacancies in court, one was approved, at best - three. Now for many years the algorithm is different: one is presented and appointed. But the Federation Council has the previous powers under the Constitution, no one took them away - it conducts a secret ballot. This means that some other factors are at work.

Even the tactics of using the Constitution has changed. President Yeltsin objected to the version of the law on the protection of cultural property adopted by the Federal Assembly, but since his veto had been overcome, he had to sign this law and then turn to the Constitutional Court with a request to declare it unconstitutional. It is impossible to name such a precedent in the current situation: it is excluded due to the mentality of power, which leads to paralysis of the mechanisms of the Constitution, to their replacement by other forms of interaction, not at all through a system of checks and balances.

Now, at the level of the Constitution, it is proposed to consolidate the direct subordination of all government "power" departments to the president, as well as his powers to appoint their leaders, and there are not even statements against such an amendment. And in 1992, in the Constitutional Court, he was appealed and deprived of legal force as inconsistent with the principle of separation of powers, the presidential decree on the merger of two departments of this category - the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB ... "
This is what the analysis of the proposed amendments should look like.
And this

We must accept the amendments, because Putin so wanted - we will accept. Without going into details that 97% of the Constitution is dedicated to the fact that a handful of politicians and oligarchs will rule almost forever. What for? The main thing is that the family will only be treated as a union of a man and a woman. There are no other problems in Russia, right? And God is officially recognized.

Dual citizenship will be banned for officials ... Wow, what a progressive step ... God, whoever needs it, whoever steals, he just then, having vacated his chair, will buy this citizenship and calmly leave there, to live honestly worked out.

more like a high school student essay on the theme of the day.

[Gene84]

Quote: Den717

The author flopped in the wrong direction. Instead of the constitution, the author began to express grievances against the criticism of the article. I would see the content of the article "on the new constitution" something like this:

This was in the previous article. In this article, the author decided to analyze the comments.

[Den717]

Quote: Gene84

In this article, the author decided to analyze the comments.

And what did you make out? Some tears and resentment of a misunderstood genius ...

[Victor N]

The Constitution is a form of agreement on public consent on the basis of not a consensus, but a COMPROMISE. The procedure for the formation of this agreement is carried out by democratic institutions - elected authorities, with the participation of representatives of the public in the discussion. As the last could be each of us. Who did not have time - he was late. There are simply no other forms of discussion: you won’t collect it. Everything is simple. But, apparently, the author and many commentators do not understand this. And the author bears moral responsibility for his work. (Sometimes legal). As an editorial for publication.
That the first article, that the second - do not carry any construct. Grunts on the basis of misunderstanding and excitement of artless readers.

[LeonidL]

Skomorokhov's conclusion, as always, is unambiguous - “everything is gone!”, “The authorities are stupid,” “there are many fools - only Roman, Timokhin, a physicist who joined them, is smart ...” who disagree with Roman and fools. So it goes through all the articles. The ball is ruled by pseudo-inventors, quasi-admirals and political analysts of dubious political orientation. And all these sirs and gentlemen are clustered under the banner of the virtues and well-wishers of Russia. After the site was bought up by some murky Canadian figures, it is simply useless to expect more from this public. Banned and thank God. Ban on permanently.

[Vadim237]

We have patriots, there are financial and industrial patriots, there are military patriots and patriots in other spheres of society, and there are patriots for whining every day with snotty articles in which everything is heaped together and on topics that have already been sucked and licked from all sides thousands of times but keep your audience and feed, after all, let them at least give a damn.

[Honest Citizen]

Quote: Svarog

I support .. Roman smashed the "patriots" on each item ..

Now a certain Petrov will come running, and with one "Yavam will choose" he will cross out all the works. For to think for a "patriot" is overwhelming work.

[Stas157]

Surprisingly, it is precisely those who see the urgent need for an amendment to ban the alienation of territory have always been FOR Putin. Which for a long time conducted backstage negotiations with the Japanese in the Kuril Islands and bluntly said that you can pair the island with the Japanese and give ... for a piece of peace.

Where does such impermanence and changeability come from? And all from the fact that confused people always hesitate with the "party line". They have no firm position of their own. Except for one - blind faith in Putin.

[military_cat]

Quote: Stas157

Except for one - blind faith in Putin.

Amendment - except for blind faith in propaganda, if it fits into their post-Soviet resentment.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Stas157

Where does such impermanence and changeability come from? And all from the fact that confused people always hesitate with the "party line". They have no firm position of their own. Except for one - blind faith in Putin.

Orwell in 1984 called it doublethink!

[lelik613]

Amendment ... of the belief that they will capitalize on this

[alecsis69]

You repeat the ravings of liberals about Putin’s desire to give the islands. If you bother to look at the conditions under which it is possible to transfer the two islands of Japan, you would see that it is not a piece of paper, but the neutral status of Japan with the inevitable ban on the deployment of foreign military bases on its territory. And the two islands in question, this is actually a pile of stones located on the outside of the main ridge, that is, not having strategic importance, unlike the other two islands.

[bayard]

Quote: Stas157

Surprisingly, it is precisely those who see the urgent need for an amendment to ban the alienation of territory

I understand that you are for the alienation of territories?

Quote: Stas157

FOR Putin. Which for a long time conducted backstage negotiations with the Japanese in the Kuril Islands and bluntly said that you can pair the island with the Japanese and give

Are you sure of that?
What did you want to give?
And why then with such joy and enthusiasm supported Mashkov’s proposal?
Or do you think that Mashkov is so - impromptu?
Or is it not noticeable to you from home how you had to maneuver on the diplomatic front, while you were able to somehow cover the Far Eastern borders?
If I really wanted to give, I would give for a long time. Just in an explicit order, and I would have found a reason for this.
But Russian diplomacy was exhausting the Japanese with negotiations for years, until there was at least some potential for force containment of the excessively zealous samurai.
And now, a special article of the Constitution will explicitly FORBID not only negotiating on such a topic, but even simply discussing it at the international level. And our diplomats will finally breathe calmer. Indeed, such negotiations surely brought little pleasure to them.
Do you admire the opus of Roman?
His heated grievances and bile, splashed onto the audience of VO?
His longing for even a bush to call the wolf a bastard?
He devoted so much space in his opus to the Central Bank, calling it a "state institution", but he did not say a word about what kind of structure it is and who is its founder ...
But he KNOWS it.
Knows, but prefers to fool around.
- 49,5% of the Central Bank shares are owned by the US Federal Reserve.
- 49,5% of the shares in London City.
- 1% belongs to citizen Gerashchenko - the first head of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation and the main lobbyist of its creation.
This is the control body of international banking structures behind the financial system of the Russian Federation, imposed on the drunken criminal Yeltsin. And its activities, rights and powers are determined by the Law on the Central Bank and the tripartite agreement between these financial institutions and the Russian Federation.
That is why Russia does not have the right to conduct an independent monetary policy, SAMA to issue the ruble stock and lend to its economy, SAMA to make a decision to maintain the ruble exchange rate against other currencies, SAMA to control the banking sector. And it is OBLIGED to fulfill ALL "recommendations" of the IMF and the World Bank.
Do you really think that Roman does not know this?
He knows!
We talked with him on this topic, but in the dialogue he behaves like a Ukrainian troll "what's wrong with that, but I still don't understand."
He and others like him are now leading people to protest and sabotage the popular vote.
Yes, all the main reasons for this constitutional reform are legislatively, on the basis of the Constitution, to receive the right of the Russian State to terminate ALL international treaties and obligations that do not meet Russia's national interests and contradict (after amendments) the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
That is why these powers are needed in order to DENOMATE all these shameful agreements:
- agreement on the Central Bank
- About juvenile justice (when foreign structures take away children from Russian families).
- An agreement on the supremacy of international law over Russian law (now IT is spelled out in the Constitution).
- an agreement on the Budget Rule, according to which Russia does not have the right to manage even money earned from foreign trade, in excess of the ceiling set by the IMF.
and many other "wonderful" documents that you don't even know about (there are some).
And do not lie (I am to the author of the article) that Putin did not attempt to get rid of this bondage before.
Did.
But it didn’t. In 2005, when an incredible effort of all government lived, he almost completely repaid all external debts of the Russian Federation, the USSR and even RI.
An attempt was made to gain exactly FINANCIAL independence. With the nationalization of the Central Bank and the entire banking sector.
Yes ! Exactly . None of the commercial private banks should have remained in the country.
But it didn’t work out.
People died - his friends, set to solve this problem.
And an ultimatum was presented from the owners of the money.
Have you heard about this?
I am sure that if you had heard, you would have a completely different idea of ​​the world around you.
The last time did not work, because neither military nor economic potential allowed us to defend our right to sovereignty.
And I had to retreat.
And save up strength and resources for the next attempt.
Now the military potential, and the external contour provided by Russian diplomacy, and the economic stability of the state give real chances for victory.
Otherwise, we simply will not.
On the Earth .
And it is not we who challenge.
The challenge is thrown to us.
This is WAR.
And in conditions of war, mobilization of all the healthy forces of society is needed.
And the unhealthy part must be isolated and uprooted.
In any case, from the government, finance and business.

And just don’t think that I’m bending over - I’ve been living in the war for the sixth year.
Present.
Where bullets and shells do not make out political views and family clan preferences.

[Lekz]

How did you decide that Putin's supporters support the transfer of the "disputed" islands to Japan? Just all "pro-Putinists", unlike you, understand that an agreement must be concluded, and for this it is necessary to negotiate. And if Putin saw the possibility of transferring the islands to Japan, he would have done it long ago. And so that no one has any illusions, an entry in the Constitution is needed.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Gene84

The novel is not just right; Roman wrote a wonderful article! There is something to think about and make the right decision on the voting procedure for the adopted constitutional amendments.

I also agree with Skomorokhov, it is a pity I could not discuss the first article, but I am against the amendments, and even more so without a referendum.
And now all the puzzles are developing since they are nature itself against Putin, his corrections and his lifelong reign.
I don’t go to any voting plans.

[Stas157]

Quote: Stroporez

Any hand I won’t go to the vote.

I, too!

[Romey]

I, too, for the boycott. But a boycott is only effective when less organized. And this is a problem. But in general it would be nice to discuss this matter.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: romey

I, too, for the boycott. But a boycott is only effective when less organized. And this is a problem. But in general it would be nice to discuss this matter.

Me too - DO NOT go. There, the whole procedure was redone for only one thing - that it would be impossible to verify how exactly they voted. In such conditions, it is a pure crossbow. Just create a picture for PR to propagandists. They will announce that the people have actively and massively supported.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Leshy1975

Me too - DO NOT go

And here I go and vote against. Only the authorities have already understood that the people will be against and support the coronavirus for handling their affairs

[balunn]

Comrades, we must go. You have to go and express your attitude. If you do not go your vote will be considered as something that you agree. Another thing is that then it’s not possible to actually calculate how much for and how much against

[snake]

Quote: balunn

Comrades, we must go.

Don't go. It makes no sense. Whether there will be a turnout or not, the crooks will accept their amendments. By ignoring or by our active AGAINST we will not achieve anything. Otherwise, it's better to spend your time on something more productive: well, be there, stay with your family, watch a movie or read a book. Remember our Mark Twain: "If something depended on us, we would not be invited to the elections."
The only thing that gives me hope is that when / if the power in the Russian Federation changes, then when looking for a scapegoat for previous "breakthroughs", all these constitutions-schmanstitutions will not be taken into account.
You can only spoil the attendance of the circus organizers, but that's all. And it also seems to me that Putinists are urging people to go and vote "against". The amendments will be adopted one way or another, but with a good turnout it will look "more legitimate". Don't go to these pseudo-elections. Save your time and nerves. We still need them.

[AK1972]

Quote: serpent

No need to go. No meaning. What will happen, what will not - the crooks will accept their amendments.

Absolutely agree. I will say more, the amendments have already been adopted. Yesterday a video hit the u-tube, in Belgorod, the book 2020 already has a beautiful cover in the bookstore.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: serpent

serpent (Sergey)

Comrade, you’re saying everything correctly, only a total boycott !!!

[aybolyt678]

Quote: serpent

No need to go. No meaning.

I think the point is that everyone should use their one / fifty millionth share people's power

[Victor N]

I believe that it is necessary to make it mandatory for citizens to participate in the elections. How is it in Argentina ?. In case of failure to appear, fine and restrict rights.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Victor N

I believe that it is necessary to make it mandatory for citizens to participate in the elections. How is it in Argentina ?. In case of failure to appear, fine and restrict rights.

restrict rights necessarily! or as an option, if you fail to appear, delegate your authority to someone else you trust

[Svarog]

Quote: Stas157

Quote: Stroporez

Any hand I won’t go to the vote.

I, too!

I don’t go to vote either!

[New Year day]

Quote: Svarog

I don’t go to vote either!

there will be no vote, gentlemen-comrades! "There will be no keen, the light is over"

[alecsis69]

It's just a Sabbath. Everybody repeats "Echo of Moscow" and has completely turned off the brain. And how could this happen to such a respected resource?

[bayard]

Quote: alecsis69

Everybody repeats "Echo of Moscow" and has completely turned off the brain. And how could this happen to such a respected resource?

Accumulated grievances and disappointments from the "Pension reform" and other gifts from the Medvedev government.
Compelled concessions under the pressure of superior external forces are perceived by many as malicious intent and criminal conspiracy.
The site has left a lot of serious, wise life and experience of members of the forum. In any case, they stopped commenting. And the content on the site dipped very high quality. And pretty yellowed.
But it all began as a veteran military site ...
Alas, everything is in the past.
And those who stayed often do not want to analyze and think critically - they live with emotions, with short RAM ...
If in the end they get what they are trying to achieve — breaking the Constitutional amendments and asserting colonial law over Russia forever ... THEY DESERVED THIS.

Right now they are throwing minuses and will rejoice, like small children who ran away from their parents and mated behind a cyan camp.
Their choice.
But then there will be no one to blame.

[Lekz]

So they are multi-pitters. So the output and salary are greater.

[bayard]

Quote: Silvestr

"There will be no keen, the light is over"

End of the world ?
Well quarantine.
Well, they’ll postpone the vote.
Just think time will be at your leisure.
Including check your opinion with such a "respected" resource as "Echo of Moscow". I have the impression that the country is not an epidemic from coronavirus, but chickenpox from "Echo of Moscow.
For such a previously serious site like VO, this is a shame.
Or a coincidence?
But in quarantine, we’ll think about what kind of a fad it is.

[basmach]

Valera, hi. It is all of course so. Only go to vote, it is NECESSARY. AGAINST. For you will not come, they will vote for you. Believe me, I was not in the same commission. And he ran for three times already (although I needed it?) Here is an example from last year. With a remote ballot box (no observers were taken — no place was found in the car), 3 (seventy-two) addresses (most of the private houses) were bypassed in 72 HOURS and voted on. Ours then ran selectively - one house burned down. they were very surprised at one more address; nobody came to them and they were going to vote on the polling station. Pay a courtesy visit. The more it comes and says no to this bullshit, the harder it is to drag it through. This is a civic position - not hiding in the bushes.

[Romey]

Colleague, this is so, of course, plus dead souls, but still, it seems to me that the main machinations begin in TECs with protocols. There, and with the turnout and the number of votes, there is confusion and strangeness. In general, they will count as needed and who needs it. If we talk about a boycott, then the main plus is a breakdown in the appearance of a "single impulse", the main disadvantage of the difficulty of implementation, because the "Putin's guard", teachers, medical workers, and other downtrodden budget small-fry that are used to fulfilling the will of the authorities thoroughly , either out of habit, or, more often, because of "no matter what happened" ... These are the paradoxes that the most humiliated and disenfranchised part of society is the most loyal to its leader.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: basmach

basmach (Konstantin)

Kostya, hi! With all due respect, I won’t go to vote.
I explain my position, as a Citizen I consider the holding of this vote absolutely illegitimate and I am not going to create an extras. For almost 30 years I went to the polls, I have always been against 1991 of Putinism against ebnism, I have never shared them and considered them a whole. And now I won’t go and by this I declare a boycott of the authorities.
But if someone guesses to declare a rally, a strike, a strike, a protest on the election day, then I will come in the forefront, but not to TIU, but to the square.

[Honest Citizen]

Hello Valera.
I admit you were right. And in the year 14 and after. Forgive me, fool.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Honest Citizen

Honest Citizen (Sergey)

Come on, Seryoga, everyone is mistaken, the main thing you understand what and when you were wrong or rather mistaken. The worst thing is that here half does not understand or does not want to understand what is happening and what will happen to them next.
I shake my hand, Seryoga!

[Honest Citizen]

The worst thing is that the same techniques are now being used for the mass fooling of the population, which were tested in Ukraine. There did not immediately, out of nowhere, all these shortcomings came out. We have the same thing, only under "patriotic" slogans.
And this is scary.

[bayard]

Sergei, do you remember when and under what conditions the current constitution was adopted?
Who wrote it and ruled?
And what did this lead to?
But I still feel uneasy from the memories.
But I had a chance to communicate with some of the deputies of that - the shot-down Supreme Soviet, and with the defenders of that building, and with the officers of the Vympel group, who together with Alfa stopped that massacre in the center of Moscow and took the deputies to their own buses on their buses. base - under protection, because they learned that Yeltsin ordered not a single deputy to be left alive ...
Aren't you scared for those events?
But it was right after them and under the pressure of those events that a new "Constitution" was adopted by fire, according to which to this day the Great, and now just Russia, vegetates ...
Are you really so happy with this document, compiled by the US CIA, that you are ready for any sabotage, if only not to correct the crime committed then?
Think about it, the vote is postponed anyway because of the epidemic. Leisurely . Work with the primary sources, study the question ...
Inexperienced citizens of Russia, and then caught on emotions, turned their heads in a series of bloody events and lies ...
Do not repeat the old mistakes of the older generation. Then I myself was still young, did not know everything and did not understand everything.
Are you sure that Putin is evil, and there are holy people on Echo of Moscow?
You have not noticed how much your emotional opinion coincides with the opinion of enemies?
Real, historical, proven and matted enemies.
Doesn't it seem STRANGE to you?
Don't you just want to sit down and think about the nature of your behavior?
About the sources of your opinion?
How fair and justified is it?
What will your initiatives and spiritual impulses lead to?
Yes, in such conditions, when an intelligent person thinks in completely different categories ...
Do you not understand that no later than the beginning of summer war may break out?
The real one is not cinematic.
And not far away ...
That in recent years the country has been preparing precisely for this - they are preparing for war.
And this is not our choice.
This is US CHALLENGE.
And the intention to break these enslaving agreements means only one thing - THE CHALLENGE IS ACCEPTED BY US.
And the question is about the survival of the State and the PEOPLE.
No more, no less .
Think.
There is still time.

[snake]

Quote: basmach

Only go to vote, it is NECESSARY. AGAINST. For don't come you will vote for you.

That is, the Basmach understands that the voting system in Russia is rotten (vote, do not vote, you will still get a buoy), but nevertheless he calls to vote ... Why, one wonders? If you don't come, they will vote for you. When you come and vote against, they will write that you are FOR ... The point in all this dance? Go to a vote and vote "no" in a vote organized by the crooks themselves? Nonsense, his mother ...
I repeat once again: those who call for voting and voting AGAINST are Putinists who want to make the image of the "popular choice" brighter. Don't waste your precious time participating in legitimizing oligarchic power.

[basmach]

Before you call me "Putinist" - read my previous comments.

[New Year day]

Quote: basmach

Only go to vote, it is NECESSARY. AGAINST.

"This is why bad authorities rule while good people stay at home."

[BARKHAN]

Quote: Stroporez

Anyone will not go to the voting plans

I’ll go to the vote and vote against. And all my friends I will agitate to vote against. Against the impudence of the scam. This is a sneaky, undisguised scam. In order for the referendum to be correct, there should be an opportunity to vote for each item separately ... then yes, at least some kind of attempt to justice.
The referendum is now being postponed because the people will be embittered by April 22.
If you don’t go and vote against, then there will only be more people voting for.

[Gene84]

I fully support your opinion. need to go and vote against!

[snake]

Quote: Barkhan

I’ll go to the vote and vote against. And all my friends I will agitate to vote against. Against the impudence of a scam. This is a vile, undisguised scam.

And you are ready to go and take part in this scam. Are you so naive that you think you can defeat the scammers in their own game? Or are you a hidden Putinist?

[Fan-fan]

You shouldn’t be so. Here is a simple question about voting that has perplexed us, we all want justice, but we ourselves cannot agree on each other. We are not united, our weakness is not organized in this.

[Gene84]

Quote: Stroporez

nature itself is against Putin, his corrections and his life-long reign.

in other words, we have a crisis of power. in this case, it is appropriate to recall the words of Stalin about the crisis of power: "As Marxists, we must approach the crisis of power not only from the formal point of view, but, above all, from the point of view of the class. The crisis of power is an intense, open struggle of classes for power."

[Poor]

full version 53 minutes 1960 "I drew a man"

[Finches]

Well, if such a parsley, then for those who have a future ... - formally, to accept all these amendments, if we carefully read our laws, a decision of the State Duma and the Council of Federations in conjunction with the regional legislatures is enough! But the President decided that let the people do it! Due to the fact that GDP did just that, we are organizing local battles here! And if he had acted like a real usurper of power, we would hardly have known about these amendments, or rather would not have attached much importance ... The Duma accepts 300 amendments a day! About many of them, even deputies do not know! We would live in peace - we would discuss little by little the clowning in Nenko! And so there was a reason for heated discussions with people who have a future, in them you can learn a lot about yourself ...

[Malyuta]

Quote: Finches

formally, for the adoption of all these amendments, if we carefully read our laws, the decisions of the State Duma and the Council of Federations in conjunction with the regional legislatures are enough! But the President decided that let the people do it!

All this staged circus performance, in the current scenario, with a manual CEC, in the absence of observers and the possibility of Internet voting, the current president did not risk anything and became life-long, but not entirely legitimate.

[Finches]

I can agree with the circus ... but everything else is not entirely true! Observers will be ordinary people. By the way, when discussing the Stalin Constitution of 1936, more than 6 amendments were submitted from all over the USSR from labor collectives and employees ... - why it was remembered! I now think that under Joseph Vissarionovich, the entire VO site from moderators to privates would have long benefited the country by extracting peat in the swamps of Mordovia!

[Gene84]

Quote: Finches

I now think that under Joseph Vissarionovich, the entire VO site from moderators to privates would have long benefited the country by extracting peat in the swamps of Mordovia!

You have a bad opinion about Comrade Stalin, a citizen of finchs. under Joseph Vissarionovich, people like you simply didn’t exist.
how can you a citizen of finchs drown for Putin, at the same time honor the era of Stalin. What kind of wobble do you have?

[alecsis69]

Very understandable, and if you had bothered to remove the blinders from your eyes, you would have noticed how Putin painfully tries to turn the state on a different course, despite the sabotage of the bureaucratic apparatus, which was planted and carefully cultivated back in the 90s. And you live by the principle "I am an old woman and I don’t believe anyone."

[Svarog]

And do it like a real usurper of power

To the point .. or in another way, another coup took place .. In favor of the oligarchs ..

[Freeman]

Quote: Svarog

And do it like a real usurper of power

To the point .. or in another way, another coup took place .. In favor of the oligarchs ..

And your reluctance to use the right granted to you ( still ) say "NO!" - you decided to "tacitly" support this coup.

Silent means consent.
From the Latin: Silentium videtur confessio (Silentium Videtur Confessio |.
From the message of Pope Boniface VIII (1294-1303), which was included in canon law (a set of decisions of the highest authority in the Roman Catholic Church).

[Svarog]

Quote: Freeman

And your unwillingness to use your right (yet) to say "NO!" - you decided to "tacitly" support this coup.

And the point is to go .. observers will not be a plus and Internet voting, they will draw what they need, but here at least there will be no turnout ..

[Finches]

Here's a zagagulin ....

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Finches

But the President decided that let the people do it! Due to the fact that GDP did just that, we are organizing local battles here!

-Well prince Ah, yes, Marshal, well, an eagle!
- At once he took trouble from us!
“And look how simple it is!”

Wow, eh, ma ... If we knew something before ... But how to make a potion?
I did just that! Came here! He said just that! And what of all this contributed to the prosperity of the Fatherland? WHAT?
Could change quietly, and people would swallow ... Are you out of your mind? They came to him and, after all decisions taken without popular consent, they said:

Rise, king of hope! Huh? You can’t rule while lying down.

That’s why such a leapfrog (for this circus cannot be called a planned event in high-speed reproduction).
And you, having lived to mature (I hope) years, are still trying to bring some kind of high understanding and wisdom of decisions under worthless efforts ...
The chair cracked! The people are simply tired of listening to these Putin mantras, after which nothing changes for the better for ordinary people.
ALREADY 20 YEARS !!!

[flicker]

The people are simply tired of listening to these Putin mantras, after which nothing changes for the better for ordinary people.
ALREADY 20 YEARS !!!

You probably communicate with the Ukrainian people?
Nothing is changing for the better ?! I well remember how in 90 salaries or did not pay, or paid after 3 months, or paid with frozen fish, or vodka.
Now of course there are still many problems, but 20 years ago it was much worse.

[Finches]

They won’t hear you - it’s a zombie - everything is bad, with ... rashka, rolling in with ... g ... - it's rude, of course, but somewhere like that! Good people, but for some reason they see only negative! There is enough real negativity in the country, but a lot of useful things have been done. I always remember the 90s - total devastation. The people did not live, but survived, but today it is still worse ... Our man cannot be pleased

[flicker]

Our man can not please

That's for sure. Some just troll (rabid Russophobes), the other part - got lost in three pines, and they are sure that they are right, not understanding and not seeing how they are being bred. They reject any manipulation of themselves from the outside, since "they see with their own eyes all the shortcomings in the country." Namely, this is what they are caught. The technology is something like this: there is a glass half empty and at the same time half full. Everyone sees him the same.
And then they begin to convince them: you see, the glass is almost empty, although it should have been filled. Why is it empty? Yes, because it’s N.'s friends who emptied him, you see how much money they have, and look how much you have? Until N. is removed we will. And the fact that there is a glass, so soon they will stomp it and you and your children will not get anything.
In short, we go out and knocking helmets, remove N. and life will immediately become a fairy tale. Well, you want life to become a fairy tale? Yes, I want to!
They help to tear down N., after which not only half of the contents in the glass will remain, but also the glass itself.
+ + +
So it was in the beginning of 90 when miners pounded helmets (for the sake of improving their lives) - in the end, they helped to destroy the country.
The same thing is happening in Ukraine today.
There, it also seemed to them that they all saw and understood.
So we, like people are not bad, rightly complain about difficulties, but at the same time offer measures that will destroy the country.
Just like a zombie.

[grad2308]

"You can't please our man"
You contradict yourself, the army was better in the USSR - personnel are better than "jackets". Devastation in 90, and now "dawn". Example: the nn-th garment factory in a provincial city, survived the troubled years, due to the rise in the dollar exchange rate in 1999, began to work with foreign firms on tolling raw materials, the average headcount for 2004 was 2400 people. Naturally, the time when the enterprises were being seized, Sberbank did not give money (credit) to buy back the shares from pensioners. "Another" investor "came the result - bankruptcy. Now the average number with engineering and technical personnel is 120 people. I can give you such examples from the garment industry in the region, how much remains and how and how much is working (which is in terms of the number of enterprises and the number). Provincial cities have turned in cities where old people live with their grandchildren retired, and parents work in Moscow or in the North. Moreover, Moscow, now for jobs after 2014, covered up ... When leaving the planned economy for the "market", the state did not regulate import duties, many industries and industries simply "crashed", making it possible to "rip apart" the legacy of the Soviet past. And you with a mantra, what are the achievements now !!!! Will you decide who you gave the PRISEY? There are no achievements of socialism - where are decent medicine and education (in the highest - quotas for free places). The level of the average available fell catastrophically. Of the enterprises in the bulk "survived" the military orientation, but they are also being optimized.products from non-military enterprises - either Asia, or components from Asia. There is NO full production cycle!

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Finches

But the President decided that let the people do it!

what will the people do? will deprive someone of real estate in the warmer lands? The people are FOR !!! The Duma decided that it is possible to have real estate. And the laws of any country allow property owners to use it, hence the simplified procedure for obtaining visas and citizenship, all in vain!

Quote: Finches

And do it like a real usurper of power

The conductor is brilliant. Or an artist by whom Oscar cries. An atmosphere has been created in Russia when practically everything can be said, in this cacophony no reasonable opinions are heard, and decisions are made in the interests of big money. Here he is again good, proposed amendments, and the Duma changed them, the people choose the Duma, which means he is to blame!

[flicker]

In Russia, an atmosphere is created when you can talk almost everything

Okay to say, you can write articles calling to ruin the state.
The United States allocated 80 billion rubles for the needs of these hacks.
Here they add fuel to the fire.

[basmach]

Why do you need to know about yourself? Well, you are a patriot (I wrote about such a novel). "The giraffe is big, he knows better." Tomorrow the wind will blow in the other direction and you will be there. Weathervane (I wrote this about you for a long time).

[Finches]

Of course, you can write, there will be no demand, but most likely you are just not a very smart person! It’s better to be a patriot like me than a blinded horse like you ... And Roman, 5 years ago, when, by the way, I sent parcels to Donbass through him, I wrote a little differently.

[flicker]

Well, if such a parsley, then for those who have a future ... - formally, to accept all these amendments, if we carefully read our laws, a decision of the State Duma and the Council of Federations in conjunction with the regional legislatures is enough! But the President decided that let the people do it! Due to the fact that GDP did just that, we are organizing local battles here! And if he had acted like a real usurper of power, we would hardly have known about these amendments, or rather would not have attached much importance ... The Duma accepts 300 amendments a day! About many of them, even deputies do not know! We would live in peace - we would discuss little by little the clowning in Nenko! And so there was a reason for heated discussions with people who have a future, in them you can learn a lot about yourself ...

Grant-eaters fiddled, and therefore I ply you with the text

[Malyuta]

Quote: Aerodrome

good amendments are disguised, coupled with nonsense, and frank points "for themselves."

There is nothing normal in poravak, including a mere $ 20 in poverty eradication.

Quote: Aerodrome

let them bear it ... I’m not coming. I decided. it makes no sense to play with someone who has three aces up his sleeve.

I absolutely agree with this thesis; I’m not going to participate in the Putin’s circus on lifetime canonization!

[siberalt]

Strong article. Respect to the author! By and large, discussions on constitutional (state-or) law are best conducted by legal experts, and even then they understand a lot about this branch of law. Formulating a law, and even bringing it to a separate institution (codifying) is no weaker than building an icebreaker from design to launch. In addition, every rightful act must be calculated from many points, starting with financial, political public perception and many, many others. As far as I remember, the construction of legal norms under the Soviets was taught only in two faculties - Moscow State University and Saratov State, with a degree in Soviet construction. Whether there are such analogues today - I do not know. It seems that now all and sundry are writing laws, there would be a position, at least a deputy of the State Duma. And who we all see there. Singers, artists, boxers and other "specialists" are legal scholars. As for the current amendments, they basically boil down to a redistribution of powers under the guise of social benefits, which no one interfered with even twenty years ago. But it has already been announced that the interest on bank deposits of pensioners who dared to save up a million wooden ones (already devalued by almost half, as it were, by Nabiullina), for funerals, health maintenance as a last resort, and for "free education" for grandchildren have already been announced.
Good mood to you all! How we lived and we will live.

[Stas157]

Quote: siberalt

Strong article. Respect to the author!

Well, as usual! The author addresses the most painful topics. And usually under his articles always most comments. Thanks to Roman for his courage. Writing such articles, and then experiencing a hail of rudeness (from some who disagree) is not a simple matter. But rating authors have no other way.

[depressant]

Yes, the written word hurts. Much more painful than said aloud in the face. He said and ran away laughing, and you spat ...
Roman, hold on!
Our whole life is a bad amendment from the 90s.

[Freeman]

sibiralt Today, 07:19
How we lived and we will live.

No, it won’t work out.
In fact, it is stated that those who receive more than the minimum wage are "wealthy citizens."
- "17 thousand - middle class"
- "If you have a million, you enter the 1% of the elect."
The thesis - "Population - new oil" is being implemented.
The bar for defining "surplus profits" is lowered in order to take a "luxury tax" from broader segments of the population.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: siberalt

But it has already been announced that the interest on bank deposits of pensioners who dared to accumulate a million wooden (already devalued almost twice, as it were, by Nabiullina), for funerals, health maintenance in an emergency, and for "free education" for grandchildren have already been announced.

I agree, where did they get upstairs that a million rubles is a lot of money - you can’t buy an apartment for them, and now you can buy a normal car. Type do not save citizens, and take loans at predatory interest! They continue to drive people into debt slavery. It’s like introducing a progressive tax starting at 30 thousand per month

[flicker]

Strong article. Respect to the author!

I will disappoint you, the author very poorly understands what he writes about. For example, this pearl:

It seems to many of our readers that if the Constitution prescribethat international law does not prevail over national law, it will somehow be able to solve all the problems.

For the majority (not even lawyers) of those who have tried at least once, it is obvious that almost everything in court depends on the INTERPRETATION of what is recorded.
And therefore all sorts of little things should be spelled out.
Once again: SIGN UP!
And write this:

It seems to many of our readers that if the Constitution prescribethat international law does not prevail over national law, it will somehow be able to solve all the problems

maybe only a complete layman.

[Freeman]

Quote: Aerodrome

About the new Constitution of the Russian Federation: comments

The novel, in general, is right, it will be a new constitution (there will be no doubt that there will be no doubts, everything is done, there is only "cosmetics") and of course the horror that the "package" is "a" referendum "- yes, with two" quotation marks "... good amendments are disguised, coupled with nonsense, and frank points" for themselves. " let them endure ...not coming. decided. it makes no sense to play with someone who has three aces up his sleeve.

And come and at least try to "flip the card table", weak?
- "Beat the cheaters with candelabra" until I call.

[flicker]

Yes, there is no "new Constitution", there are amendments to the Constitution. The author wrote without thinking, but everyone repeats like parrots.

[Freeman]

Quote: flicker

Yes, there is no "new Constitution", there are amendments to the Constitution. The author wrote without thinking, but everyone repeats like parrots.

Yeah.
34 amendments amending 9 articles of the Constitution, including the establishment of a new authority (state council), a change in the federal structure (federal lands), a change in the distribution of power between branches of government - this is so, "commas rearranged".

[Civil]

Stop chatter! The result is well known.

[Gene84]

Quote: Civil

The result is well known.

Share the result, but at the same time where you got such data from.

[Galleon]

Quote: Aerodrome

not coming. decided.

Here are all those here who are against the amendments and say that they will not vote, I turn to them:
- Guys, have you sharply weakened your mind, or what? Well, don’t go - they will vote for you. THERE ARE ONLY AND NEEDED FOR THOSE WHO AGAINST DO NOT VOTE. SOLVING EVERYTHING WILL BE A SIMPLE BALANCE OF VOTES.
What are you doing, smart and good !?

[Vadim237]

They have long since, even with 91 sharply stupefied and lost in space.

[Galleon]

Well, I am not inclined to be so harsh. We've all been deceived since 1991. Deceived, not dull We lived in a society based on the declaration and there was some kind of trust, there was an appeal "comrade". And we were not ready for the deception they did with us. Therefore, it is now unlawful to blame us, who were deceived, for what happened then. How can you be guilty of something you knew nothing about, guilty of trusting? It has now been taught to check for 30 years.

[flicker]

We are all deceived since 1991. Cheated, not stupefied

And now they do not deceive us?
The United States allocated 80 billion rubles to support Russian grant eaters and grant pumps.
Normal money. These are the "smart" ones behind whom the future is trying.

[alekseykabanets]

Voting has no legal force. And I think they know the attitude of the people to power. (V.V. Putin’s appeal on coronovirus, on RT - 13 thousand likes and 20 thousand dislikes. Comments are tough.)

[Galleon]

Regnum voted on its website for amendments. Against it was about 60%.

[alekseykabanets]

A lot of people who are not friends with the Internet, they believe in the TV. Putin added a pension and more. And the bulk of people are very inert.

[flicker]

Voting has no legal force.

Yes, legally, 2/3 of the Duma and 3/4 of the Federation Council and the president’s signature are enough to pass the amendments.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Galleon

DO NOT VOTE

Is this a vote, Andrey? In accordance with what laws is it carried out? Here is a list of federal laws that determine the procedure for referenda and elections - http://www.cikrf.ru/law/federal_law/.
This "Poll" is carried out in complete isolation from all Federal Laws. No adequate control, no certainty about the timing. So should people be blamed for not wanting to participate in the farce?

[Galleon]

Igor, in short, yes - this is an approved lawlessness, and the second yes - you must vote to vote in order to somehow try to stop this lawlessness. Let it fail. But let those who started this lawlessness achieve their goals by deceit and forgery, and not by the results of voting and our silence on it.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Galleon

and secondly, yes - it’s necessary to vote, in order to somehow try to stop this lawlessness

Three weeks ago, the same convinced everyone. But after specifying the details, he changed his mind. But I will definitely go to the next elections, and I think we will push the "beloved" United Russia away, because now even my mother, who always voted for Putin, is now opposed.

[Galleon]

I usually always see you as my like-minded but, of course, some disagreements are possible and normal. Health to your mom!

[flicker]

at least somehow try to stop this lawlessness.

Amendments to the Constitution is that "lawlessness"?

[Revival]

I think that the lawlessness that is mentioned in the comments, this means how the amendments are adopted, that the rules are completely violated, a vote is not prescribed by the constitution (law).
It seems that the very constitution says that changes to the constitution (some of the articles, and they are affected) are introduced only in two ways: a referendum or a Constituent Assembly.
Which of these procedures is applied? None.
And it seems that no vote is provided for by the constitution.
See the conclusion of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation on the amendments, they, too, could not think of anything about the justification, not prescribed by law, of the voting procedure, except that this vote has its own legal nature, so to speak, you need to understand

[flicker]

that changes to the constitution (some of the articles, and they are affected) are introduced only in two ways: a referendum or a constituent assembly.

I don’t know what articles you are talking about, but for the adoption of amendments to the Constitution, it is enough to get 2/3 of the Duma, 3/4 of the Federation Council and the president’s signature.
And no, not just referenda, but just polls are not needed.

[Revival]

Absolutely.
The Constitutional Court was forced to write about this in its opinion on the constitutionality of the amendments: "this vote has its own legal nature")))
"He had his own nationality, his own, Macedonian, to the point" (c).

[Lekz]

This "Poll" is carried out in complete isolation from all Federal Laws.

You're right. Interrogation by laws and the Constitution is not provided. All legal amendment procedures have already been completed. Dot. It remains to sign the law on amendments to the President. And to understand that something necessary is being done, he wants to know the opinion of people. For understanding only, and he has long had legal grounds. Everyone can express their opinion. It has no legal relation to referenda and elections.

[Campanella]

What are we doing? The main thing is who will count the votes. She (the authorities) didn’t give a damn about how anyone voted, they would write the right amount.
Do not forget they allowed electronic voting in case it is obvious that the people did not come to the polling stations, people will say that they were safe and all voted for the updated Constitution.
And the cameras that were put specifically at the last election will not work, so people can’t evaluate the turnout.
So the government will approve its own Constitution.
And thus finally put an end to itself. But Putin’s image is not important, he’s not enough to sit in his lifetime ...

[iouris]

Quote: Aerodrome

Roman, in general, is right,

Where is he right? Quote: "Think. For smart people, perhaps the future." End of quote. This is a call to whom? British scientists have shown that 95% of the population (Britain, of course) would rather shoot themselves than start thinking, and only 2,5% think what they think. Statistics, however.

[flicker]

Quote: "Think. For smart people, perhaps the future." End of quote. This is a call to whom?

It seems to me that the author suggests enriching while there is an opportunity.
Well, there is evidence that the United States allocated 80 billion rubles to support grant-eaters.
Maybe the author meant it?

[flicker]

there will be a new constitution (there will be no doubt that there will be no doubt, everything is done, there are only "cosmetics" left.) and of course the horror that the "package" is "a" "referendum" "- yes, with two" quotes ".

Not the new Constitution (this is the author who called it that because of great knowledge), but the amendments to the Constitution are absolutely correct, they will be adopted because they answer the basic requests of society and the society will vote for them.
At the expense of the "package" - have we really adopted the current Constitution article by article or entirely?
In general, in the vast majority of countries, the constitution is adopted by elected persons (national assemblies, parliaments, etc.). So when we adopted even the current Constitution, the will of the people was direct.
On account of the "referendum"
To accept amendments to the Constitution of the authorities, it was enough to get 2/3 of the vote in the Duma, 3/4 of the vote in the Federation Council and the signature of the president.
Not that a "referendum", and even a poll was not required.
***
But the government (represented by Putin) decided to give us the opportunity to express our opinion (opinion affects the adoption of amendments) to us.
And we begin to whine.

[Campanella]

Similarly, I decided not to go to these elections, I see no reason.
By the way, in the American constitution, the US president cannot change his salary.
And ours is constantly throwing money allowances on ourselves and our okhlokrats, these are such slaves in galleys.

[Lekz]

this is a new constitution will

The old one, which will be amended to make it less "atrocious".

[Ilya-spb]

What is international law and liberal values ​​- we see in Europe, especially in Italy. Against the background of coronovirus. And that’s it.

Here interests me:
1) normal life in Russia.

2) normal work in Russia.

Yes, I'm selfish.

Agree, I can get this with the liberals, if I accept their rules of the game, and I will live like a wolf. And in a social state. And in today's Russia.

But why? Why I do not want to achieve these goals wolfish (liberal)? Why do I want to work honestly and calmly?

PS And Mr. Skomorokhov is engaged in demagogy and boltology.

[Valery Valery]

It makes no sense to comment and argue with the author of the article and everyone like him. And this article, and all the "liberal" statements of the last month - the awareness of their failure. The "Gozmans" and "Chubais" realized that the people of Russia had escaped from the captivity of their ideas and began to panic about this.
In addition to all of the above, funding from abroad was reduced - another offense.

[Oleg Skvortsov]

Valery, how old are you? look like a victim of an ege with brain Putinism. Although, if you grew up under the current regime and a good life milk yield, then for you the life-long consolidation of a permanent rower in galleys with his grown bureaucratic and oligarchic lawlessness and corruption is good.

[Valery Valery]

No, I didn’t take the exam and I finished school normally, back in the 80s. Therefore, there is something to compare. And you continue to be poisoned by your own poisonous hatred - your time of demagogy and sophism has passed.

[Gene84]

Quote: Valery Valery

finished school normal,

sorry but not like that.

Quote: Valery Valery

back in the 80s. Therefore, there is something to compare

interesting, and what exactly are you comparing?

Quote: Valery Valery

And you continue to be poisoned by your own poisonous hatred - your time of demagogy and sophism has passed.

all this is what you wrote, more to you

[Vadim237]

You don’t worry, Putin will leave in the year 2024, whether Mishustin will replace someone from the GRU at the age of 72 that it will be difficult for him to control the state — he will be given a manor in Moscow and politicians and journalists will come to him from all over Russia and the world to interview him other figures will write an autobiographical book and continue to live without straining, but billionaires as they were in Russia will remain so - the market economy will not go anywhere.

[depressant]

I am sad because life has been reduced to simple survival due to the multiplication of good in moshna - not in the heads, not in the feelings ...
And now it rushes: "Yes, I am an egoist!" - as old as the world. Read Chekhov, selfish guys. He spoke for a long time about people like you, who love to eat deliciously, sleep sweetly and increase their goodness in the bag. Without thinking about the fact that a sweet dream and delicious food are due to the majority beast, deprived of your animal greed and strength.
Sometimes a wolf appeared in a flock of sheep and cut it all. Although one is enough for saturation. But we are not sheep - remember from this.

[AK1972]

Quote: Valery Valery

And this article, and all the "liberal" statements of the last month - the awareness of their failure. The "Gozmans" and "Chubais" realized that the people of Russia had escaped from the captivity of their ideas and began to panic about this.

I didn’t see Chubais’s panic. He runs the state corporation, or am I wrong? Gozman also feels pretty good playing "liberal". Everyone has a place in the sun under the current regime. Some even give Heroia labor. So stop talking enchanting nonsense.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Ilya-spb

Here interests me:
1) normal life in Russia.
2) normal work in Russia.

And where is all this in Russia?

[kjhg]

Quote: Ilya-spb

Yes, I'm selfish.

Agree, I can get this with the liberals, if I accept their rules of the game, and I will live like a wolf. And in a social state. And in today's Russia.

The punishment for civic passivity and selfishness is the power of villains Plato. 500 BC Do you want to .. fate? Thousands of years ago, smart people said that you ... you only yourself

[Ilya-spb]

I am not a supporter of Plato. And I’m not going to prove anything to anyone.

By the way, I am one of the few on this site who does not hide his face under the guise of an avatar)

[Vadim237]

Man to man is a wolf - the law of nature weak perishes strong survive human society will never lose this even under socialism even under capitalism, greed and envy will always be to a lesser or greater extent. With this you have to measure whether you want it or not.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Vadim237

Man to man is a wolf - the law of nature weak perishes strong survive human society will never lose this even under socialism even under capitalism, greed and envy will always be to a lesser or greater extent. With this you have to measure whether you want it or not.

And here you pissed me off Vadimka! Strongly pissed off!
But tell me about the human wolf, how people shared the last food and clothes, covered other people with their bodies, how they took completely stranded orphans after the war, how scientists saved the seed fund in besieged Leningrad. Remember for the rest of your life that there was such a proud name Soviet Man!
I’ll tell you more that the generation born from 1917 to 1926 was the generation of Soviet people of the future builders of Communism, and if it weren’t for the war that mowed these generations, I would almost completely clean them up, we would still have a completely different country!
Threat. You deserve the minus and not even one!
Look at this:

[flicker]

PS And Mr. Skomorokhov is engaged in demagogy and boltology.

Maybe, maybe banal commerce.

[Campanella]

This is you a demagogue and I would say
unscrupulous man, normal work, normal life ...
Is the minimum wage a normal wage? Cost of living, macaroni is your norm?

[Pessimist22]

I remember that in 14-15, Putin was praised in all articles on the site, and in the comments, if someone tried to reason soberly about him, then he didn’t have a lot of minuses, black shoulder straps and a ban, and five years have passed since everything changed, the future for smart people.

[_Sergei_]

Do you think that those who scold Putin today have more brains? I doubt. If they were not, then there is nothing to add.

[DMB 75]

Life experience has increased over 20 years. We see what is happening around. Nothing good, in short. Although it is useless for you to say anything, everything is fine with you and life has been successful. But not everyone is living that far.

[Sergey Olegovich]

Quote: DMB 75

, everything is fine with you and your life has been successful. But not everyone is living that far.

Life is really different for everyone. Someone succeeded, someone did not. But, our president, V.V. Putin, has clearly stated everything for which amendments to the constitution are needed. Now, during the period of the outbreak of the global crisis and in the conditions of encircling Russia with enemies, in the conditions of foreign policy hard pressure, in conditions of internal political instability, when all kinds of offended people are rushing to power, we must unite around the Leader of our country. Whenever a threat arose, our people united. Now this is the situation when the people of our Great Country need to unite and jointly support decisions on the transformation of Russia and its well-being for the sake of us and our descendants. It is necessary to end disputes, abuse and especially rudeness regarding the president. You need to understand that Vladimir Vladimirovich is trying to help the people of Russia survive the difficult time safely, and he needs our support!

[polar fox]

Quote: Sergey Olegovich

You need to understand that Vladimir Vladimirovich is trying to help the people of Russia survive the difficult time safely, and he needs our support!

cool ... help, damn it ... and what "people" does he actually help? new "heroes of labor"?

[Sergey Olegovich]

To the citizens of Russia! Did you watch his performance yesterday?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Sergey Olegovich

To the citizens of Russia! Did you watch his performance yesterday?

In addition to presentations and promises, can you give an example of assistance to Russian citizens?

[Fan-fan]

Yes, he helped a lot, he took away pensions for 5 years in advance.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Fan-Fan

Yes, he helped a lot, he took away pensions for 5 years in advance.

I then calculated at leisure - the minimum pension is 11 thousand rubles, for 5 years = 660 thousand rubles. This is the minimum amount that the beloved GDP threw everyone.

[Revival]

We have already watched many performances.
"While I am president ...
Please treat with understanding ... "period.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: polar fox

and what kind of "people" does he actually help? new "heroes of labor"?

Glory to the new hero! Plato must be renamed Rotenberg, well, and the town of some kind of district thread in Rotenberg grad, and the regional one in St. Putenburg, perpetuate the names of the heronves, well, and canonize.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Sergey Olegovich

But, our president, V.V. Putin, has clearly stated everything for which amendments to the constitution are needed. Now, during the period of the outbreak of the global crisis and in the conditions of encircling Russia with enemies, in conditions of foreign policy hard pressure, in conditions of internal political instability, when all kinds of offenders are torn to power, we must unite around the Leader of our country

Meditating, if you consider that the leader himself created the crisis, then you should stay away from this and rally with him his work heroes. I’m kind of a little ashamed to say.

Quote: Sergey Olegovich

the people of our Great country must unite and jointly support decisions on the transformation of Russia and its well-being for the sake of us and our descendants

Another 5 years of Putinism and the country simply will not be.

Quote: Sergey Olegovich

You need to understand that Vladimir Vladimirovich is trying to help the people of Russia survive the difficult time safely, and he needs our support!

You, my colleague, are not doing something good for them, I personally will not accept any fate in the genocide of the peoples of Russia, but on the contrary I will oppose as much as I can.
Get me fat Mendel, sign it !!!

[Sergey Olegovich]

So the main liberal appeared on the site. Gaspadin liberal, change your avatar from Boy to Mazepa. You are not a "Bolshevik". Fat Mendel is all you can do. If you are like a supporter of the communists, you should know that the Communist Party is against any liberalism and for the integrity of our state. And I, as a supporter of the Communist Party, tell you, do not dishonor the movement, change your avatar. It is because of such liberals, who are hiding under the guise of communists, that we have a crisis in the communist movement.
You write that you do not want to participate in the genocide, but allow, what you are calling for is the genocide of the people.
We created the crisis artificially. We are not to blame for the crisis.
About the board another 5 years made fun, amused. Only the people in the elections will decide who will be the next president of our country by voting for candidates.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Sergey Olegovich

We created the crisis artificially. We are not to blame for the crisis.

Not us, really. But it was our government that did everything to ensure that the crisis brought down the economy. As usual, winter unexpectedly began here. If you invest national funds in the economies of other countries, yours will not develop, others will develop. This is an axiom.

[balunn]

Well, to begin with, it was under the current government that the integrity of our state was violated. Domansky Island and the Viking shelf
Increasing retirement age and low pensions - what is it?

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Sergey Olegovich

Communist Party against any liberalism and for the integrity of our state.

Rabinovich has always been against (a phrase from the movie "Good weather on Deribasovskaya ..."
The CPRF today is the self-name of a group of consumers of the benefits of power. Drive out on populism. Where is the ideology of the communists? where are the underground ???

[Vadim237]

The crisis was not created for you artificially by the Soviet leadership systematically starting in the 50s, distorting the economy towards the military-industrial complex, relegating everything else to the background accelerating the arms race on the basis of the Second World War, the more weapons we rivet the better, and so until the mid-80s, then they began to put 120 countries on the neck beggars should be helped by friendly regimes and they helped everyone they could at their own expense under this business by increasing production party leaders in the republics promoted projects some of which were initially unprofitable but they didn’t consider the money we said. In the civilian sector, it became worse every year with the implementation of the plan since the military-industrial complex took away materials, equipment and engineers, due to the lack of modern food equipment inside the country, they started exporting tens of billions of dollars of foreign money, it needed a currency where, of course, first of all, oil sales in the 70s oil production skyrocketed and continued to increase from year to year began to spend gold reserves, and in the 80s the country began to run out of money costs oil fell the cost of the war in Afghanistan added Chernobyl US put a loaded pistol in the temple of the USSR in the form of Pershing missiles 2 in Europe, and Gorbachev realized that the USSR no longer had the means to continue the Cold War and went to the INF Treaty, and then wherever he went everywhere, he could increase prices, you couldn’t reduce spending on the republics, you couldn’t continue throwing from corner to corner with rash decisions publicity, anti-alcohol law and there’s no money to get from how much from export whether they spent the same amount of money and Hunchback ran for foreign loans from the beginning to the banks and then to the leaderships of Western countries, but this didn’t fix the deficit. In the end, the USSR fell into bankruptcy in conjunction with other acute social processes in all republics against the backdrop of politics Yeltsin and his comrades drove in - the USSR ordered a long life. The formula is simple if you double-feed Belarus and Russia feed 13 republics whose needs are growing year by year and you collectively feed half of the world at your own expense or receive a tenth of a currency or equivalent cost of exchange, be sure you have money sooner or later will end.

[depressant]

Amendments to the Constitution are needed only in order to finally legitimize by voting the right of a small group of people to the bowels of the territory of Russia and the absence of such a right for all other residents of the country. It is said that there will be no revision of the results of privatization. It was said? It was...
By voting for the amendments, you thereby vote for the exclusion of the people from the territory of their original residence, for deprivation, for legalized poverty. And if a simple person receives some right under this constitution, then it is to be an expendable material in the economic and political games of usurper gentlemen.
And you, advocating a positive vote, hope to become lackeys of the ruling gentlemen, differing only in the level of servility. After all, there is the opportunity to eat leftovers in the master's kitchen. What an honor and valor!

[military_cat]

Quote: depressant

Amendments to the Constitution are needed only in order to finally legitimize by voting the right of a small group of people to the bowels of the territory of Russia and the absence of such a right for all other residents of the country.

It is surprising that the beginning even reached the NOD androids. Maybe soon they will start to guess that the Central Bank of the Russian Federation is not controlled by the IMF at all, and they have simply lied to them all this time?

[AK1972]

Quote: Sergey Olegovich

But, our president, V.V. Putin, has clearly stated everything for which amendments to the constitution are needed.

For your information, the word Constitution is written with a capital letter. But in this case, you're right, Freud’s error.

[flicker]

Life experience increased over 20 years. We see what is happening around.

At the beginning of 90, the miners also gained experience, saw what was happening around and knocked on their helmets, the CPSU (which controlled these knocking) was removed from power. They removed the USSR, but the CPSU remained in a different guise.
Now they have already become more experienced and are ready to knock on their helmets again.

[Malyuta]

Quote: _Sergey_

Do you think that those who scold Putin today have more brains? I doubt. If they were not, then there is nothing to add.

And this is not an increase in the brain, but a failed internal policeman pushes people into the opposition.

[Sergey Olegovich]

Quote: Malyuta

failed internal police

Normal domestic policy. If you do not want to live a human life, live a normal life, where in spite of any crises a socially protected state is being built, then I can only state the failure of your brain. Liberals will not help you. They will kill the country. Look west, there is nothing human left. One continuous sodomism.

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Sergey Olegovich

Liberals will not help you. They will kill the country.

But what about the statement of Putin VV that he is a liberal!

[Stas157]

Quote from Uncle Lee

But what about the statement of Putin VV that he is a liberal!

Chief liberal!

For Zaputinians, faith in an idol is akin to faith in God. There is nothing rational (it is irrational), and therefore, no arguments work.

[tatra]

Putin himself explained that for him "living like a human being" - for 70% of the Russian people - means having a monthly income of $ 200 at the level of the poorest African countries. He is proud of this that he created such a System with a handful of the rich and the richest, and the "middle class" - with an income of $ 200, and with 20 million beggars.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Sergey Olegovich

Normal domestic policy.

Everyone has their own norm. And judging by the standard of living, in some African countries it is the same. Not ashamed?

[Romey]

Rukalitsa ... The uncle fights with the liberals, simultaneously supporting the liberal economic course of the government with both hands, where the liberal drives the liberal appointed by the president as the liberal. Putinism, however, is a killer coronovirus. Speaking of the Communist Party. But I won’t believe it. Unless from the Duma.

[depressant]

Sergey Olegovich, sodomism is not an argument in the economic and political dispute. There is no sodomism, but the people are dying.

[Vadim237]

250000 for a country with a population of 147 million is not an indicator of extinction - in the 90s more than 150000 per month died every month than they were born and more than one and a half million abortions did.

[flicker]

not an increase in brains, but a failed internal policeman pushes people into opposition.

And not only domestic politics. But 80 billion (Once again: 80 billion) allocated by the USA so that grant-eaters and grant-suckers only talk about bad domestic politics. And is it not from their sanctions that our domestic policy is bad?
On the one hand, the sanctions (which hit on our salaries) - on the other hand, 80 billion rubles to help those who will be engaged in the gastronomy.
And then to assert that the future belongs to "smart" people.

[Svarog]

Quote: _Sergey_

Do you think that those who scold Putin today have more brains? I doubt. If they were not, then there is nothing to add.

Here is a comment - a clear example of today's "patriot" not a word on the topic, but immediately doused everyone who really sees life .. Do you want to say that the author is wrong? Can you clarify what you disagree with?

[Sergey Olegovich]

Quote: Svarog

a good example of today's "patriot"

Do you think the patriot is you? No, you are mistaken. Patriot is one who helps the homeland. And you and liberals like you, hiding under the guise of a socialist, are trying to split, divide and harm our country.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Sergey Olegovich

Sergey Olegovich (Sergey Olegovich)

Apparently, today the atmospheric pressure is high, if it starts to flatten so much scrapers.

[Romey]

Again, grace descended from the screens yesterday. That's inspired.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Sergey Olegovich

Patriot is one who helps the homeland.

Yes, and help can manifest itself in the form of exposing enemies and traitors.

[depressant]

Sergey Olegovich, and we help the Motherland by criticizing the policy of the ruling elite. In the hope that he will change his mind. You act as if the ruling elite is a capricious child who cannot be told the unpleasant truth. And then he will fall into hysteria, hammer with his legs, wallowing on the floor, and God forbid you personally hurt you with a weighty boot of the Russian Guard and other boots of a checking and guarding brotherhood. Is that how you regard your idol Putin?

[Roman12345678]

Patriot is generally a diagnosis ..
This is a disease that prevents a person from soberly looking at things and evaluating them without reference to what words indicate his place of birth and what the president’s name sounds like ..
And here the site is full of examples of someone who, at the word "Putin", purely reflexively begins to wag his tail happily .. Just because a patriot .. and therefore must and must ..

[flicker]

Can specify, with what do not agree?

Yes, a lot of things, but you do not read. Well, for example:

It seems to many of our readers that if the Constitution prescribethat international law does not prevail over national law, it will somehow be able to solve all the problems.

For most, not even lawyers, but for those who have at least once tried it is obvious that almost everything in court depends on the INTERPRETATION of what is written in the law, in an article, etc.
And therefore all sorts of little things should be spelled out.
Once again: SIGN UP!
These are the basics of jurisprudence, and the author writes:

It seems to many of our readers that if the Constitution states that international law does not prevail over national law, it will somehow be able to solve all the problems

so can write those who do not understand anything there.
This is about the legal side of the issue, if we talk about the text from the psychological side, so there is generally horror, it is simply riddled with poison.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: _Sergey_

Do you think that those who scold Putin today have more brains? I doubt.

Do you think that from an inconspicuous director of the Dresden House of Friendship of the USSR - the GDR, under the nurturing of Sobchak in friendship with Chubais, Sechin, Kiriyenko and others, an independent state figure was formed over twenty years of public life? Or, while he was outside the walls of the Kremlin, did he have a complete worldview, an integral picture of the life of Russian society? This citizen spent more time in foreign trips and at events that have nothing to do with public service.
Putin is not scolded today. To be honest, all this swearing on "an object similar to the Tsar Cannon" (the same size ) People began to doubt that it was this "fabulous" ruler who could establish CONSTITUTIONAL ORDER in a country when the constitution itself changes in mood.

[Stas157]

Quote: _Sergey_

Do you think that those who scold Putin today brains increased?

It just opened my eyes.

[flicker]

It just opened my eyes.

What opened up? The United States transferred 80 billion rubles to support Russian NGOs (read: grant-eaters).
Do your eyes "see" what such a huge amount of money is spent on?
And this money is spent to "open" people's eyes. It's good when such mediocrity as the author of this article open their eyes - you can understand the catch.
You can object that you judge what is happening in the country from the experience of your own life and no author can deceive you.
And this is your main mistake.
As an example: the answer is needed - the glass is half empty or half full.
It is here that you are being manipulated: you are convinced that it is empty. And you need to change everything then the glass is inappropriately filled.
As soon as you begin to change everything thoughtlessly, you will immediately lose not only the contents of the glass, but also the glass itself.
At the beginning of 90, the miners also wanted to make life even better (they also thought that they could see everything well), as a result, they destroyed the country of the USSR.
Once again: on the one hand, sanctions, on the other, 80 billion rubles of support. Geldings are not the kind of people who just scatter money.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: _Sergey_

Do you think that those who scold Putin today have more brains? I doubt.

Once I read that gossip is a way of social protection of society. In my opinion, discussions on the site are the same way of exchanging information and thoughts enriching the brain. People develop concepts, hone their language, and it must be admitted that sometimes they change their point of view. Now people have a problem not with their brains, but with time, there is a lot of information, it is presented in such a way that it is difficult to systematize it. I can only say that almost everyone is scolding Putin today! even those for whom he used to be an idol. For he showed which side he was on. He knows how to look "good" proposing amendments depriving the deputies of real estate over the hill, but he knew! that they will get around it!
In addition, his game of questions revealed that he does not give the opportunity to conduct a dialogue. This tricky system allows you to answer the question without being interested in whether the answer is satisfactory.

[flicker]

For he showed on whose side he was.

Do you know that in 2007 the country was one step away from the civil war?
And thanks to whose efforts and at what costs did you have to go to avoid this war?

[aybolyt678]

Quote: flicker

And thanks to whose efforts and at what costs did you have to go to avoid this war?

that war was initiated from overseas ... And today, 9 out of 10 Russians are unhappy with the lack of prospects in life. Where is today's effort? where are the costs? where is social justice in demand? Why is there no ban on foreign real estate in power?

[Roman12345678]

Those who had no brains - they still sing Putin's odes ..
So you are right - there is nothing to add ..

[Varyag71]

for you it has long been clear

[Campanella]

So also for the Crimea.
I never voted for him, because his texture was clear. And with the Crimea and oil prices, he got a mess.
But it doesn’t work for a long time if there is nothing more to be presented besides the brackets and the bridge. With whom I do not speak except hatred for him there is no feeling. I already pulled everyone up with my initiatives. I don’t know who draws such ratings for him, but this is bullshit .. He disgusted ordinary people for a long time.

[Old partisan]

Before you go and how to vote, you need to include the rest of the brain.
Take the constitution of 1993 and the draft 2020 and stupidly not really arguing COMPARE.
Only then reason.
You need to think with your head and not ....

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

I agree, one can think in another place, but why such a haste to change the law? Crimea, yes, there really were people demanding a referendum, but what is this? A game of thimbles? Or love chamomile, don’t like? Or is it time for us to try on the master’s whip on his back ??? Or maybe return to the time of Ivan the Terrible and live in house building? eternal diarrhea, and simple law-abiding people suffer.

[Campanella]

They are in a hurry because they know that the world crisis, that the coronavirus, that the deadline, that they privatized the country by a gangster method, that they will have to answer, that the loot and property will have to be returned and that they will be planted ... Therefore, they are preparing in advance. Frightening, on the one hand, the revolution, and on the other, absolutizing its power. After all, the people have long been no longer a bearer of power, he is a slave to these gentlemen!

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Old partisan

Take the constitution of 1993 and the draft 2020 and stupidly not really arguing COMPARE.

And why compare these “guarantee obligations” in which (1993) all public property was transferred to private ownership and in which rights were guaranteed only to a certain circle of people and (2020), in which such a situation is fixed for life.
The country does not just do not fulfill these “warranty obligations”, but changes them during the warranty period.
The "brightest" side of these opuses is the reduction in the population in a natural way and with "guaranteed" methods.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: ROSS 42

The "brightest" side of these opuses is the reduction in the population in a natural way and with "guaranteed" methods.

This is precisely how the population decreases in an unnatural way, because the death of a person who does not live to be 60 years old is itself unnatural. And the authorities have created plenty of conditions for high mortality.

[aybolyt678]

the question is - what is the best way to vote and vote against or not to go at all ???

[Gene84]

be or not be replaced by a vote, we get:
Vote or not Vote?
That is the question? What's better?
Whether to bear from the frantic fate
Blows of arrows and stones - or boldly
Arm yourself against a sea of ​​evil

[Campanella]

I think you should not go. Arriving at the polls, we create an informational picture of involvement with the amendments, and they will definitely say that the president’s initiatives have caused unprecedented enthusiasm of the people, etc. etc.
True, they are insured, the cameras will not work at election commissions, and they also allowed electronic voting, without any testing or other procedures (in any case, I did not hear)

[avia12005]

In the end, it all depends on who and how implements the norms of the Constitution and laws. And with this, more precisely, with responsibility, moreover, criminal responsibility, for their failure to fulfill a great deal of tension. More precisely, this responsibility is almost nonexistent. So it can be written in the Constitution that every Russian citizen is an oligarch. Nothing will change from this until the perpetrators begin to be sent to observe the population of polar bears for non-compliance.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: avia12005

Nothing will change from this until the perpetrators begin to be sent to observe the population of polar bears for non-compliance.

And you, a colleague, a humanist, you need to smear everyone’s forehead with greens, and you want to send them to the immaculate land of beauty. This is not humanly, not fastidious.

[avia12005]

Let's not repeat the 37th ...

[Whirlwind]

Quote: avia12005

Let's not repeat the 37th ...

Then let us repeat the 41st ...

[avia12005]

That's for sure. It is easy to imagine how the oligarchy will behave in such a situation.

[Campanella]

I'm afraid no one can do it ...
The revolution is the result of accumulated errors. And we have a jamb on a jamb and a jamb drives. Having rich historical experience, mankind is stepping on a rake with enviable constancy. Human passions and vices, I think they lead. After all, Putin is not ... but acting ...

[codetalker]

To talk about public administration, you need at least a little understanding of the issue. And the commentators were to blame for the author ... Not a single topic was worked out, not a single amendment. Why are you writing this?

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

Roman, I'm sorry, but you have a fat minus, it is useless to pour from empty to empty.

[Campanella]

What minus then can Putin put in power? They have been pouring over 20 years from empty to empty. And nothing has changed .

[horror]

If you are going to change the Constitution, it means it prevents them from achieving certain goals in this form. Of course, later it will become clear what kind of wholeness, but it will be too late to think or reason.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: horror

Of course, later it will become clear what kind of integrity

They have one goal:
ensuring eternal government in which there will be no return to the past, no revision of privatization, and when:

Article 9
1. Land and other natural resources are used and protected in the Russian Federation as the basis of the life and activities of the peoples living in the relevant territory.
2. Land and other natural resources may be in privatestate, municipal and other forms of ownership.

[aybolyt678]

that is, you need to vote against the amendments ??? then there is hope for a second vote with an expanded set of socialist buns ???

[Campanella]

Useless. The elections are not transparent, the results do not allow checking and quickly destroy.

[mark2]

C'mon, get your minds off early in the morning. There will be no vote. Putin said yesterday about an indefinite period. And during this time, thought and justification will come to do without a referendum.
That's all.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: mark2

mark2 (Alexander)

Most likely, against the backdrop of an impending epidemic, they will try to talk about the amended topic, especially since the amendments are actually adopted, and in order to take care of the lives of the population they can go for the introduction of emergency situations, and there
everything will be after the fact.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Stroporez

Most likely against the backdrop of an impending epidemic

there will be no epidemic .. real. As a specialist, I’ll tell you that in Italy every dead person is tested for antibodies to coronavirus. And in nature, there is a wild variant of the human coronavirus that every inhabitant of the Earth has been ill with. The test system gives a false positive result of 11%. and this exactly matches the number of dead Elderly people die more often due to a decrease in the amount of interferon in their tissues. Interferon is in pharmacies. Reckless press!

[Romey]

Valera, welcome! Duc, Ellochka already transparently hinted at it. It seems to me that our discussions for a boycott are simply about nothing because this senseless and merciless vote is first postponed and then canceled. And, that everything is logical, because old K signed the document. That means a mustache.

[siberalt]

And what's the point in this popular vote, just money down the drain. The constitution is the same - bourgeois, and the owners do not change. But after the vote, it will already be called "Putin's legitimate". This is neither good nor bad. But a new historical term will appear. Because the car has been tuned, it does not become another brand.

[Campanella]

Well no. Falsification is more profitable than just sending people.

[Darter88]

Auto RU!!! I subscribe to each of your words !!! Only full nationalization and castration around the neck of oligarchs and corrupt government officials will save the Russian Federation and its people from slow extinction !!!

[vit670]

Roman is one hundred percent right! In an authoritarian state, the ruler does EVERYTHING that he wants and spits on all laws and constitutions. Only some spit undercover, while others spit openly. That’s the whole difference, no matter who covers itself!

[Thrifty]

Roman, you can make a wagon of changes to the constitution, but so far it remains only text on paper! It is not even carried out by authorities at all levels, what can we say about the population! And, as regards changes, they are needed. Although, ideally, the country actually needs a completely new constitution, written so that it protects the interests of the population and the Russian state itself.

[parusnik]

ideally, the country actually needs a completely new constitution, written so that it protects the interests of the population and the Russian state itself.

... Absolutely. And now there are opportunities for a real nationwide discussion and elaboration of articles and regulations. The Internet ... In our case, according to the Constitution, people like governing the country ...

[yuliatreb]

Roman, the question here is different, did it really take twenty years to realize that it is necessary to amend the Constitution of the Russian Federation, why it was not done 15 years ago, and for this period of time, sane citizens do not need to explain why this is all done. And the extreme appearance of GDP on television confirms this, measures are being taken not so much taking care of the country's population, as they are aimed at improving the rating of GDP.

[parusnik]

Horseradish, radish is not sweeter. The EBN and its entourage wrote the first Constitution for themselves. Approved? Approved ... The receiver (which was appointed by the EBN) and its environment are being remade for themselves. What is the difference? On the prevalence of Russian legislation. Explain, for example, how the Code of Merchant Shipping of the Russian Federation will prevail over international treaties and agreements in this area? Or TC, where some provisions are also registered on the basis of international agreements? ... Enthusiasm: everything is liberal to Kapets, as soon as the amendments are adopted. Yeah, but liberal laws, before that liberals also accepted and approved the liberal identity?

[Ross xnumx]

Thank you, Roman!

Think. For smart people, perhaps the future.

I would put it a little differently:
THE FUTURE IS IMPOSSIBLE WITHOUT SMART PEOPLE!
That is the whole point of publication, that is how the thoughts of the article are built. You just remarked remarkably that while simpletons choose power, they should be fraudulent. And here, as has been successfully noted, dual citizenship or some other legal quotes are not a hindrance. Because always the “eternally fabulous guarantor” has a “lured manual” State Duma, at hand of dubious quality and significance are the “members” and “circles” of the Federation Council, the opposition and the creative intelligentsia trained and raised on budgetary allocations:

She will explain everything, she will tell everything with high artistry and expression of facial expressions, BUT !!! she’s not going to live by these rules at all.
We can do without high-paid jumps, armored trains, steam locomotives, and saviors of the fatherland from crazy maniacs on the stage and screen. And, as practice has shown, we absolutely cannot imagine life without everyday things and everyday goods.
Therefore, in the future we can simply ignore the hypocrites and hypocrites, giving them their proper place in the booths, and not behind the chairs and stands of the parliament.

[parusnik]

Movie from the series: Vote or lose? Part two...

[Freeman]

Quote: parusnik

Movie from the series: Vote or lose? Part two...

Rather, the continuation of the series: Vote with your heart.
But you don't need to "turn on" your head - otherwise you will suddenly realize that the "advertised" amendments are just "empty words" and "nice words".
On the main amendments, such as: state council; federal territories; redistribution of powers between branches of government - they do not remove videos.

[balunn]

we hang for a humane attitude to animals, the 2020 Constitution
Marketers see they write what comes to mind.
Here's more:
For decent medicine. Constitution 2020

[Was mammoth]

Quote: ROSS 42

Thank you, Roman!
Think. For smart people, perhaps the future.
I would put it a little differently:
THE FUTURE IS IMPOSSIBLE WITHOUT SMART PEOPLE!

As in a "bearded" joke: "... what is there to think, you have to shake!"
You have to think and go and vote. Even if you “think,” then there will be no sense in this, if the head of the CEC calls only observers not from the authorities “vultures and provocateurs”.

Quote: Sergey Olegovich

Now this is the situation when the people of our Great Country need to unite and jointly support decisions on the transformation of Russia and its well-being for the sake of us and our descendants.

The prosperity of the country's citizens is growing! As well as the number of billionaires, as well as the percentage of the "middle" class! Already scales over 70%! "A little more, a little more" and there will be no poor in the country Hurray!

[Lynx33]

I absolutely agree with the author. Specially, for the seed, so that more people would be tempted to vote, proposed changes that would really be nice to write in the constitution. But! But free cheese only happens in a mousetrap, the only reason why the authorities so want to change the constitution is because it, in the current version, simply prevents them from permanently consolidating the current thieves' power. Therefore, I personally will vote against, no matter how seductive the bait sounds. Which I advise you all.

[Vadim237]

Do not worry, you will not lose anything from these new amendments, just like me.

[rocket757]

Written and written. In fact, useless campaigns around the bush ... not to convince, not to force, a significant part of the country's population, that only our unity is strong!
So ask someone, he is against the law forbidding the leaders and their assistants to steal, take their wealth out over the hill, arrange cozy nests there and practically betray the state for which he is entrusted to serve ???
After all, no one will say now that this is not necessary, they say they are managing so well and for the good of the country !!!
It seems that it was even proposed to limit / chop off the possibility of such ... AND WHERE IS THIS AMENDMENT \ ARTICLE \ LAW ??? Netuti and NOBODY were particularly indignant, did not intend to do just that with the slogan!
Well, and for many other amendments ... a lot of noise, the output is zilch!
There is no unity, there is no single will of the citizens, there is no .... and those who, "servants of the people", take care of themselves, DO NOT HESITATE. They are very much together in such matters.

Bound by one chain bound by one goal bound by one chain bound by one.
Here the joints are sluggish, and the spaces are huge,
Here the compositions were crumpled to make columns.
Some words for kitchens, others for streets,
Here eagles are dropped for broiler chickens.

[Boris55]

Quote: R. Skomorokhov

Think. For smart people, perhaps the future.

Constitutional Amendment Law Already Adopted. (March 14, 2020: 13) Changes that do not contradict the current Constitution have already entered into force. The only question is when exactly will they enter into force in full - immediately, after the announcement of positive voting results or in the event of a negative vote, after the change of the Duma, after 1.5 years or 4 years after the presidential.

Quote from the adopted Law:
"...If based on the results of the all-Russian vote, amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation will support more than half citizens who will take part in it, the changes provided for by the Law on Amendment to the Constitution of the Russian Federation in chapters 3–8 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, will come into force... "it means that it will enter into force immediately. http://www.kremlin.ru/acts/news/62988

The federal law was approved by the State Duma and the Federation Council on March 11, 2020, approved as of March 14, 2020 by the legislative (representative) bodies of 85 constituent entities of the Russian Federation.

[Boris55]

You can put at least a thousand minuses in your malice, but the people will vote for amendments and the social orientation of our state will be strengthened. I can argue with anyone that this will be so.

ps
The social system cannot be changed by laws and decrees, but it is quite possible to improve the lives of those living today, which Putin is doing. Stumble on lace panties.

[AUL]

Quote: Boris55

You can put at least a thousand minuses in your malice, but people will vote for amendments

A little correction - not the people, but the CEC! And no one authorized you to sign for the people. As, however, and me.

[Vadim237]

And the people in the mass are motley and have different opinions - so speak on behalf of everyone is not worth it speak for yourself.

[Konstantin Shevchenko]

Well now it’s necessary to list why amendments to the constitution cannot be accepted and which amendments are terrible. Or is it easier why not vote for constitutional amendments? Briefly and clearly.
The next president will abide by the constitution or the people will become rich on the constitution, this is another topic, you can send psychics to the battle.
Is the US Constitution the ultimate truth?
My opinion. Well-being of the USA is provided not by the constitution, but by seasoned capitalism and the US army. But this does not mean that the Russian Federation should copy. Those who copy usually hang in the tail.

[Alexander X]

The new constitution is one of the positive steps for building a state of law. And the author’s agitation against making amendments is wrecking ... To say that everything is bad in Russia, so don’t vote for introducing the necessary articles into the constitution, is the author’s attempt to substitute some concepts for others to harm Russia .. By the way, except for the extension of the term of the presidency , no ideas were put forward by the author.

[Roman12345678]

To say that everything in Russia is bad

The author just does not say that everything is bad, but parses each item separately and on the shelves ..
From this and there is nothing for the "patriots" to object, except for the slogans "Everything is positive, and the author is a pest"

[Vadim237]

Of all the other articles of this author, one conclusion is that everything is bad for the author and he emphasizes this in most of his articles.

[Roman12345678]

the conclusion is that everything is bad for the author and he emphasizes this in most of his articles.

Maybe we read different articles .. I have never seen the author at least once write about himself somewhere, and how things are going at all ..

[Vadim237]

For the Author - in the country as a whole, everything is bad.

[Loess]

After reviewing a part of the (small) comments from readers in an article about the “amendments” to the Constitution, I decided to continue the topic.

So, about the alienation of territories. A very important point?

Yes, I'm about September 5, 2010

If I am not mistaken, the demarcation of the border is completed. The question is closed. So what does the new amendment have to do with it?

The reader has piled together international law and international financial institutions.

And therefore, instead of explaining what this amendment means, there is an appeal to what happened and is happening again BEFORE the adoption of the amendment.

Without going into details that 97% of the Constitution is dedicated to the fact that a handful of politicians and oligarchs will rule almost forever

In fact, just for the sake of "details" people read such articles.
In general, it turned out some kind of one-sided squabble with commentators ... It is precisely on the amendments to the article, by and large, not a word has been said.

[Boris55]

Quote: Less

If I am not mistaken, the demarcation of the border is completed. The question is closed.

We have not ratified the Shevardnadze-Baker line, but now we are not ratifying it.

[New Year day]

Quote: Boris55

We have not ratified the Shevardnadze-Baker line, but now we are not ratifying it.

America is neither cold nor hot. She enjoys

[Boris55]

Quote: Silvestr

America is neither cold nor hot. She enjoys

Nothing lasts forever in this World except Russia.
By the way, Ukraine still considers Crimea its own.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Boris55

Ukraine still considers Crimea its own.

Ukraine still considers itself Ukraine!

[Boris55]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Ukraine still considers itself Ukraine!

Not everyone there thinks so. Who gets Romanian passports, who is Russian, who is something Polish there.

[New Year day]

Quote: Boris55

Nothing lasts forever in this World except Russia.

You are mistaken, the Papuans are eternal!

[GRIGORIY76]

Roman, thanks for the article, I will subscribe to every word, I myself think the same. By the way, a great slogan "the future belongs to smart people!"

[savage1976]

How funny it is to read "patriots" a couple of articles ago, shouting about the need to introduce a progressive scale of taxation, and today they are screaming "and we have something for that" when a tax on a deposit of over a million rubles is introduced.

[rocket757]

Quote: savage1976

deposit tax over one million rubles.

tax on interest (profit) that the deposit brings. There is a difference.
Although specifically THAT I do not care, this is not, so they will take it from another, they will not miss!

[Boris55]

Quote: rocket757

There is a difference.

There is. Previously, it was not, but now it will be. The proceeds will go to the benefit of citizens, including yours, your children. Putin strengthens the social component of our state - that’s good. Who is against this is not difficult to guess.

If we increase, then they will definitely decrease - the law of conservation.

[rocket757]

Quote: Boris55

conservation law.

conservation law ... yes not a question!
If there is trust in those who are called upon to protect and EXECUTE these laws!
I have confidence in the authorities not ah ..... that's all.
Let's see in short. On business and "earrings" we will "hang".
Now - the measures that the government is taking are logical, justified, NEEDED! questions, especially cries about, should not be, let's look at the results.

[Boris55]

Quote: rocket757

Now - the measures taken by the government are logical

Everything is relative. Quite recently, a member of the government said: "There is no money, but you are holding on." This is the role of personality in history ...

[savage1976]

Well, it is quite possible that then "there is no money" now will really help in a difficult situation, when they are really needed, but they could not have been. From the word at all.

[rocket757]

Quote: savage1976

but they might not have been. From the word at all.

you can argue about this ... try to convince many that it was necessary and cannot be done differently ... at the beginning of the Forbes list, place the rest that is clearly known and known ... and then try to convince someone.

[savage1976]

Man, this is such a creature that can argue about anything, even that the earth is round.

[rocket757]

Quote: Boris55

"No money, but you hold on." This is the role of personality in history ...

of course it tried to be noted, but somehow ... hardly anyone will remember a good one.

[savage1976]

It was too lazy to write for a long time.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: savage1976

with the introduction of a tax on deposits of more than a million rubles.

Oh, tell me the logic of this tax? Explain its progressiveness? Those people who managed to save several million for old age (in our country there are highly paid specialists) are required to pay tax for what? For the fact that the bank instead of the prescribed 10% pays 4%? Yes, these millions are kept by those who do not have foreign accounts ... Then, let's tax the bank spread from currency speculation ... Actually, no one was particularly upset, because for a long time he knew that there was nothing good from Putin or his government You will not get it. Let him make fun in the end ...

[savage1976]

Well then, just as well, explain the difference why a person created a business that brings him millions and creates jobs, should pay more percent of his income than workers who work in the jobs created by him.?

[Roman12345678]

Because he has more income than workers ..
And just the workers do the bulk of the work ..
And a person, even if he created this business, is making his income through other people's labor ..
Why "jobs" are offered for a beggarly salary .. in comparison with the same income that this business brings ..

[savage1976]

Then what are the claims to the tax on income on a deposit over a million, people also make income on it, and the owner of the deposit wears a sofa on his back. And you are not familiar with the discussion. I have no questions about income taxes, they are with the "patriots" who yesterday were in favor of progressives, and today "and we are for what" they read.

[Roman12345678]

I didn’t write anything about the claims, but I didn’t answer certain questions regarding the distribution of income between people ..
Given that most of our workers cannot afford to have a free million close to me ... I would go even further, and would bring in an even higher percentage of more than 5 million .. For, all the same, such millions were earned not by sweat and blood, as a rule ..

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: savage1976

Then what are the claims for tax on income on a deposit of more than a million, people also make income on it, and the owner of a deposit carries a sofa on his back.

because a million, right now it's just about nothing. If a person wants to save up for a car-apartment, and not take an imposed loan, then it must be ripped off ?! A pensioner who works, and postpones his retirement for a funeral, and for a rainy day, for the same medicines, is now becoming the object of hunting for tax officials ?! It would make sense if they invested at least 5 million. As well as with a progressive tax - it must be introduced for incomes from 100 thousand minimum

[savage1976]

And that means a pensioner who sold an apartment for 5 million can already be peeled off like sticky and it doesn’t matter what he needs for medicine. . Or a person who saves on a car for 5 million 10 years. As I already wrote, every progressive fighter wants to start at a level that exceeds his income, and if he is subject to tax, then this is of course the bloody regime that he personally robs.

[Roman12345678]

a pensioner who sold an apartment for 5 million can already be peeled off like sticky and it doesn’t matter what he needs for medicine.

5 million for drugs ?? Lying in a bank on deposit ??
Get involved ..))

Or a person who saves on a car for 5 million 10 years.

Show me one .. at least one ..
You won’t even save up on Kia Rio if you save 10 years .. For 5 years ago it cost TWO times cheaper than today ..
Well, those who buy cars for 5 million .. believe me - they certainly do not save up on them .. even more so, for 10 years ..
Well, if you want to give examples, then at least come up with real ones ..
But in reality there will not be many of them .. for, I repeat, hard workers do not have millions on their accounts now .. Otherwise, the country would not have been completely in mortgages and loans !!

[savage1976]

As you read Vaud, everyone works purely for a mole, and the last cucumber is eaten up without salt, but as a tax on income from deposits per million, the poor and the unfortunate are robbed. Well, pensioners live with us, save millions with their pensions for funerals, and on Poor there are meager pensions. You would have already decided, pensioners and salaries are small or a million penny. Those with 1 million will divide it into 2 accounts in different banks and will not steam. In reality, those who do not have enough banks to keep a million will fall under the tax. But the fighters for the progressive tax lit up well.

[Roman12345678]

As you read Vaud, everyone works purely for the mole, and the last cucumber is eaten up without salt, and as a tax on income from deposits per million, the poor and the unfortunate are robbed.

This is again some kind of "collected works about everyone and nothing" ..
At the same time, you did not answer any of my SPECIFIC questions ..

You would have already decided, pensioners and salaries are small or a million penny.

I’m quite certain - the first option ..
What I have already written about ..

[savage1976]

So if pensioners and hard workers do not have millions in the account, why cry that they are robbed? It is a reasonable step aimed at raising taxes from wealthy people and not affecting the poor. In fact, there is no difference in whether a person bought an apartment and renting it pays taxes or put money in a bank, receives income and pays taxes from him.

[savage1976]

And about 5 million rubles of medicine, so use Google and find out that there are medicines and much more expensive. And the pensioner can wish for himself a coffin for 5 million, his right and for 50 can. Let us consider them poor. And you can save up to 5 and 10 years on many things, not only on Kia Rio. And those who save up for Kia Rio do not get tax. So this is your inferior examples and questions.

[Roman12345678]

And about 5 million rubles of medicine, so use Google and find out that there are medicines and much more expensive.

Of course .. it is those pensioners that we are talking about here, and they buy from them 14 medicines for 5 million each ..))
I say - take off ..
If Pugacheva buys such medicines for 5 lyam, then she doesn’t have to equal her pensioners .. And she doesn’t sell an apartment for this, as you wrote yourself ..
And if he sells, then he does not put it in the bank for interest ..
Well, if you want to give examples, then at least come up with real ones ..

And the pensioner can wish for himself a coffin for 5 million, his right and for 50 can. Let us consider them poor.

Everything is mixed up .. people, horses ..))
Are you talking to yourself? Why this post ??)

And you can save up to 5 and 10 years on many things, not only on Kia Rio.

You can ... just don’t accumulate anyway ..)) Why - I already wrote above .. For 5 years, Rio has grown in price by 2 times .. Now it’s still growing ..

And those who save up for Kia Rio do not get tax.

Well, you finally understood what I wrote 5 times - we don’t have people with millions in bank accounts .. The country is poor, people are all in debt and credit ..
And you tell me all the tales about some pensioners who have 5 million each in a deposit for medicines ..))

[savage1976]

So then why cry, why the poor are robbed?

[savage1976]

The spread according to the Tax Code is taxed and the citizen is obliged to file a tax return and pay the tax. But alas, in our country the severity of laws is not necessarily compensated by the network of their implementation. But op is already fun.

[_Sergei_]

A person who has accumulated several million and receives a percentage of more than a million from his accumulations, did he accumulate a hard worker for old age? The tax will be taken from interest if they exceed a million.

[AUL]

Quote: _Sergey_

accumulated several million and receives a percentage of more than a million from his savings, is it for old age accumulated a hard worker?

Sergey, would you not be dishonored ... First read about it, and only then speak. If that - I have on my card only the remnants of the pension from the bounty of the FIU.

[Lekz]

Temper righteous anger. The tax will not be taken from pensioners and interest amounts not exceeding 60 thousand.

[Vadim237]

Quickly you change your shoes - just recently for a progressive tax, and now for everyone who holds more than a million in banks on deposits you keep a fence - this is bad, theft, deceit, and yes you probably forgot or are not aware that wealthy people can keep such accounts even To Russia and abroad - at the same time, pensioners, self-employed engineers and everyone else can earn millions of rubles over time, simply playing on the world stock exchange through a mobile phone. And deposits are far from all the services that customers of banks use.

[Tatyana Pershina]

Listen and read carefully. The tax is not on deposit, but on the percentage on the deposit paid by the bank. That is, you will receive not 4% per annum of your deposit, but 3,48%. Your main contribution will not be affected.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: savage1976

and today screaming "and we have something for what" with the introduction of a tax on the deposit of over a million rubles.

Have you heard about double taxation? I have a minus on the map, I do not care. But true is more expensive.

[savage1976]

Well, well, that is, double taxation of someone is possible, but you can’t? And there is no double taxation, income is taken not from the entire amount, but from the amount of income on the deposit. A person bought a car for a million and taxes, receives income, give 13%, people put money on deposit, receive income, pay 13%. What is the difference? For each of these millions, tax has already been paid. But in the case of a taxi driver, the tax is normal, and in the case of a deposit, double taxation? And yes, they will take a tax from me.))) =

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: savage1976

but from the amount of income on the deposit.

I know. But the bulk of the commentators see wrongly understood, hence the negative reviews. In real life, this law should have been adopted a long time ago, but globally 13% of bank interest is a penny (taking a calculator you will understand), and now the introduction of this law is more like a PR move.
The much more needed progressive tax law.

[savage1976]

So here from the "patriots" for these pennies has already risen, and what will happen when the real progressives are returned? Well, yes, the "patriots" want it to be from others, but you can't touch them, they are "patriots". Damn, I can't laugh. How will they get through it.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: savage1976

But what will happen when the real progression is returned?

Everything will be fine. About op - as I already told you, many simply did not understand the essence. Some media have warmed up, and the media of various kinds, and not just the opposition.

[savage1976]

Well, time will tell, it will be introduced when the time comes and the conditions for this are met. And in my opinion, the op will stand for a long time and everything is in the style of "what for us".

[Ingvar 72]

I bet that the bulk will be in favor. Only now they will not introduce it.

[savage1976]

It’s possible to argue, everything will depend on the amounts, if the income tax is increased from 100 thousand a month, then there will be one thing, and if from a million it will be different. We already had progression in modern Russia (after the collapse of the union), it didn’t improve life very well. Because if you paid the tax as it should be l..hom. In my opinion, it would be more correct now not to raise the tax on the rich, but to abolish it from the poor, for example, who receives less than 2 moles is exempt from personal income tax.

[Ingvar 72]

I agree. But if with a hundred pieces there will be 14%, and with a million 20%, then no one will be against. I would do with 10 lyam 30%
Naturally per month

[Vadim237]

If you introduce a progressive tax, then for companies with annual net profit of more than a billion rubles - 30 percent of the amount, several thousand such companies in Russia will be much easier to work with them than with each person individually.

[SeregaBoss]

The author, well, you discussed amendments to the law, about the ruble, citizenship, approx.
Then you write that the oligarchs and so on write it for themselves. Where? Show me the amendment number that bothers you so much? Let's think together with our brains. Did you find a place?
To slobber about gasoline, the ruble and citizenship have already got. Everything lives badly, they have lived up to the fact that cars in the yard do not fit.
Yes, in the country of problems above the roof, but now the war would not have started because of oil, and those who see the power are thinking.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Serge Boss

Show me the amendment number that bothers you so much? Let's think together with our brains. Did you find a place?

No, this style is this: the author only indicates the direction of thought that is desirable for him. Every reader thinks out the rest himself.

The technique is ancient as the world is called "manipulation of consciousness". ABC

Details and evidence-based reasoning by this trick ... not foreseen

[SeregaBoss]

That's for sure. And I look at the discussion threads are developed by the same 5-6 people, do you have time to work? The liberals have only one opinion, this is their opinion and it is correct. They don’t see anything further than their nose.
It seems like the Military Review website and the military are not few, do the military remember their sucking existence 10-15 years ago? No, forgot already. Power is not that, it's not that.

[aglet]

Roman, I will subscribe to any word in your article, but you are in vain. half of the local readers will not read the article to the end - "too many bukoffs", as they say, half of the second half will be sharply opposed - they are for Putin, the second half will be against - they are against Roman. but all together will go to vote "for", they are patriots, and you rock the boat.
"You can bring a horse to the water by force, but you cannot force it to drink," says a popular proverb, until all the local readers understand the very prospects for the country's development, nothing will convince them. but when they understand everything, it will be too late, there will be a bunch of little girls who are just preoccupied with getting food. Brzejinski's plan is still working successfully, this is not hpp

[flicker]

"You can force a horse to the water, but you cannot force it to drink," says a popular proverb,

Hmm, but Roman seems to prefer the saying of other people: "There is never too much shekels."
And he sees the future behind them

[aglet]

Quote: Sergey Olegovich

we must unite around the leader of our country. Whenever a threat arose, our people united

this leader shamelessly takes advantage of this so that the people, united, once again, save themselves, and at the same time

[1536]

The most regrettable thing is that the opinion of "smart people" is the ultimate truth. The only question is who defines "smart" you or, excuse me, "eccentric" with the letter "m" and do not know how to live. To get into the category of "smart" and that's it, life is good. But where does the Constitution with its amendments have to do with it?

[New Year day]

The bulk who live in constant struggle with the terrible disease "The first channel of the brain"

Everything is correctly written by the author. Himself defeated this ailment, ashamed as much as Solovyov listened! YES and the rest are no better. Until you turn your brains on and start to think, you will be a slave to power. What does she seek

Think. For smart people possibly, future.

It remains to get the key quality of a person "Mind" so that "possibly" does not work

[Roman12345678]

Himself defeated this ailment, ashamed as much as Solovyov listened!

By the way, yes .. about 5 years ago, too, was a sinner ..
What is surprising - because I liked the fact that he sings ..))
Only then, somehow, a little one-sidedness began to notice the one-sidedness of all these programs ..

[SeregaBoss]

Judging by your profile picture, you switched from channel 1 to TNT, and how to get smarter there.

[Roman12345678]

According to TNT, more reality can be seen than from Solovyov ..))

[Gardamir]

I totally agree.
And really sometimes you don't want to argue and prove something. We live here and now. Those who did not have time to stock up on food are slowly becoming more expensive. The neighbor was cut. And we will see a lot of "funny" things in the coming month. But they will tell you how wonderful everything is. Yesterday the patriots were glad that the president promised to take a tax from a million percent. And I am more worried that all ATMs in the near future may stop dispensing cash.

[New Year day]

Quote: Gardamir

all ATMs in the near future may cease to issue cash

There is such a Valery Solovey, so he spoke about the need to have cash and currency on hand 2 weeks ago. While all his predictions come true

[Altona]

Quote: Silvestr

There is such a Valery Solovey, so he spoke about the need to have cash and currency on hand 2 weeks ago. While all his predictions come true

My advice in January. "Wrong" of course.

[New Year day]

Quote: Altona

My advice in January. "Wrong" of course.

correct. If there is something to change. Of course

[Altona]

Quote: Silvestr

correct. If there is something to change

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Sylvester, these are all very risky and non-obvious things, I mean financial "gestures" with personal finances, if you are not a professional, but act on a whim. Again, what sums to risk and how to lay them out.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Gardamir

all ATMs in the near future may cease to issue cash

1. For whatever reason?
2. What are you not comfortable with cashless? Or them too give out, pah ... stop taking?

[Gardamir]

First notice maybe.
It turns out that this recommendation applies to those ATMs that accept and issue. There the virus does not have time to jump off the banknote.
Well, sometimes you have to pay only cash.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Gardamir

this recommendation applies to those ATMs that accept and issue. There the virus does not have time to jump off the banknote

It is a rational explanation. Paying cash on buses, for example, we canceled another week ago, and for the same reason.

Quote: Gardamir

First notice maybe

I know this style. In which case - "and I did not say anything."

You are incorrigible, man

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

"Summing up, I can say the following. The coolest country in terms of democracy, the United States ..."
I hope it was sarcasm!

[Roman12345678]

Another great article ..

[_Sergei_]

Is that sarcasm too?

[_Sergei_]

We have a saying in Russia "an unwise person sees the same from afar"

[Roman12345678]

I doubt that people like you could give birth to the Russian land ..))
Most likely, some kind of computer program .. but since part of the money, as is customary in our country, was safely cut, I had to save money on good programmers .. Hence such inept attempts to look "smart" ..

[AleBors]

Thanks, Roman. Well written. I have already decided, for a long time I do not go to any vote.

[aleks.29ru]

I will no longer vote with the simple wording "lost confidence."

[New Year day]

Quote: aleks.29ru

I won’t vote anymore

I think that there will be no vote at all. There is no sense - the law has already been adopted

[seacap]

Basically, I completely agree with the author, All this is a kind of screen for the plebs, a kind of imitation of an active pseudo-democratic process, get it and shut up, but what is going on in reality behind this screen is unlikely we will soon find out. By the way, all this "movement", I apologize for the slang, but it is only suitable for defining the activities of the distinguished adventurers of the upper class. So, all these "gestures" with the virus, so much like a cover operation, the scale and scope is too excessive for an unremarkable seasonal disease. All isolation measures under the guise of infection, very much reminds of, at least, a rehearsal of blocking protest, revolutionary sentiments, blocking mass protest rallies, hence the inadequate terms of imprisonment, they get less for murder. I am an ordinary man in the street, not paranoid, just education is still normal, Soviet, allowing to think logically, of course, this is exclusively my opinion.

[Avior]

So, in the United States, in the event of a conflict between the rule of international law and domestic law (and especially a precedent), the judge will always be guided by the latter.

not quite right.
The fact that the precedent is so is, it is an obstacle on the way of the principle "The law is like a drawbar". If in one case such a decision was made, it is fair in all other cases of the same kind to judge in the same way, as long as the law is unchanged.
If the law has changed, another thing.
But the fact that the United States is more important than internal laws, this is not entirely true.
According to the US Constitution, they are completely equivalent.

This constitution and the laws of the United States, which will be established to enforce it, as well as all treaties concluded by the United States, must be the supreme law of the country, and judges of each state must obey them, at least in the constitution and laws of individual states there are contradictions to them.

Article VI of the US Constitution
https://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%83%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%A1%D0%A8%D0%90

[NordUral]

I support the article! But the question remains, burning to impossibility.

I ask all concerned to vote!

[KSVK]

Quote: Freeman

- "Beat the cheaters with candelabra" until I call.

Or maybe it's time?

[KSVK]

Quote: Sergey Olegovich

Patriot is one who helps the homeland.

I beg your pardon, what is "Motherland" in your opinion? I’m everywhere, well, of course, around me, I observe that people are becoming poorer and poorer. Are these people "Rodina"? I see on TV every day they collect money for operations on sick children. Are they not Rodina? I see how forests are cut down and taken out of the border. These forests they do not belong to the "Motherland"? Rivers become poorer and polluted. In the places where "black gold" is mined, have you ever seen what's going on with the environment? Go and have a look. You will see a lot of interesting things. Does this not apply to your "Motherland"? Or is Rodina Rotenberg-Deripasko-Millers? Well, then help. Like a true patriot. It seems only to me that this is precisely this "Rodina" your help .... well, it is not required.

[WayKheThuo]

The author is right. I especially liked the comparison of the number of articles in the Constitutions.
And further. I believe that the patriots mentioned in the article should be written as "patriots".

[cniza]

Think. For smart people, perhaps the future.

Too smart do not want to power, and the law is not written for fools, and so it turns out a vicious circle ...

[Brigadier]

Behind all that verbal tinsel "for the people" with which the "amendments" are stuffed, there is absolutely clearly only one, the most important idea, for the sake of which all this was conceived ...

I suppose you all understand exactly which one.

[Victor N]

Typical position: "I don't see a problem - it means there is no problem."
Meanwhile, the mission of the researcher is to be the first to see the problem, to warn society, to outline solutions. This takes many years. And not the fact that you will gain awareness.
But it’s worthwhile to always check yourself: maybe I don’t understand what? It happens. Very much....

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

220 comments, 20 minuses to me, that is, less than 10 percent, democracy.

[Altona]

Let's decide for a start - does the Constitution work for us in general?
The right to assemble peacefully and without weapons? Already does not work in any form.
Article 51 "No one is obliged to testify against himself and his relatives." Does not work.
"In the Russian Federation, laws should not be adopted that diminish the rights and freedoms of man and citizen," does it work? The pension reform has answered clearly. And so you can go through other articles. The usual declarative paper regarding the rights and freedoms of a citizen. But in the foundations of state power, there is an increasing desire for the secrecy of power from society and the desire for tyranny. So what did you want the "king"? Have arrived. It has been around for a long time. With their guardsmen of the dash, the guardsmen and the Black Hundreds, the dash of the Schizoputines, with the new nobles, with the class society. Something like this. A huge and ardent "hello" to the schizoputites.

[faterdom]

Novel, the question requires further development and continuation.
Let's not worry - there-those-who-need to read everything and report to someone-need. Will it be vox populi.
At the same time, let them instruct their youth or "ours" better. And what a shame to see how the supporters of the "package of amendments" hammer the same thing like parrots: "So you are for the distribution of territories! So you are a liberal! So you are against indexation of pensions!"
Is it me - a war veteran who has served 36 calendars for the distribution of territories? My head doesn’t work like that, I can only protect, hold or liberate territories, they simply didn’t teach me otherwise. For this, there is defense and offensive with their varieties in tactics, distribution is for politicians, I just don’t know how.
The liberals (those whom we all have in mind) are Medvedev, Chubais, Kudrin, Gref, Nabiulina, Miller, Siluanov, and, in his own words, Putin. Why should I call these epithets and even strangers - I do not understand ...
About pensions - for the millionth time: what has been stopping bad dancers from indexing them normally for so many years, on the contrary, in recent years there have been frosts, then points, then one-time handouts instead of indexing, and the apotheosis - the deprivation of pensions of millions of people purely in honor of the football championship. Is it really just a "bad Constitution"? (You are still eating something - and not getting fat? And I have such a constitution!)
So, let's just make it clear: we simply cannot be cheated on "weak", we are scientists, we saw "Perestroika", presidents have already laid down on our tracks, we already "while I am the President ..." are familiar.
It’s time to think more intelligently about the people - evolutionary selection has already weeded out the stupid ones, they have not survived, they are sick.

[gost2012]

Quote: faterdom

.... stupid evolutionary selection has already weed out ...

oh not all, oh how not all ...

[KSVK]

Quote: cniza

Think. For smart people, perhaps the future.

Too smart do not want to power, and the law is not written for fools, and so it turns out a vicious circle ...

For some reason I remembered:
Who can do.
Who can’t teach.
Who can’t learn, manage.

[KSVK]

Quote: faterdom

About pensions - for the millionth time: that bad dancers have been preventing them from indexing for so many years, on the contrary - all recent years have been frozen, scored, or one-time handouts instead of indexing, and the apotheosis is that depriving millions of pensions is purely in honor of the football championship.

And everyone has already forgotten about the accumulated stolen part. Sorry. As well as about 2% of excess VAT lost amid increasing retirement age.

Quote: faterdom

So, let's just make it clear: we just can't cheat on "weak", we are scientists, we saw "Perestroika", presidents have already gone on our rails, we already "while I'm the President ..."
It’s time to think more intelligently about the people - evolutionary selection has already weeded out the stupid ones, they have not survived, they are sick.

Specific suggestions?

PS And in the meantime, the guardsmen are being pulled into the capital. Undoubtedly for the protection of the population. That's just interesting from whom?

ZZA I'll figure out how to insert a video ....

[Victor N]

The PENSION FUND does not have money, and it is not part of the State budget - is it difficult to understand?

[aybolyt678]

it’s hard for me to understand where my money is going that I have been paying more than 25 in PF

[Victor N]

If you can't "understand", you just need to study the issue - it will be very useful in life. And it is better to do this 10 years before the onset of retirement age.

[A.TOR]

Interesting ... people are gradually beginning to see clearly. I need to bribe popcorn

[KSVK]

I figured it out.




What do you think, rehearsal?

[depressant]

About the buses with the military.
In fact, the situation is much more complicated than many imagine. The country has 10 million migrants from Central Asia. These are young passionate men. I would not be surprised if at least 1 million of them work in Moscow and the region. All earned money, except for those that go to their own food and payment of rental housing, they send to their homeland. They have no cash reserves. And here is quarantine, many enterprises ceased operations, including construction stopped (she saw it when she was driving from the hospital), but the border is closed, migrants cannot return home, to their homeland. Given their impending lack of money, the leaders of the diasporas, preoccupied with the loss of their own power over compatriots, have already begun blackmailing our law enforcement agencies and authorities with statements about the possible criminalization of the diasporas. In particular, the leader of the Uzbek diaspora spoke about this even before March 21. Like, they will rob and kill the locals. Migrants already require financial assistance from our authorities. After all, their work is used by a huge industry. They believe in their own right. Hence the delivery of troops to Moscow by buses. I think, not only to Moscow.
By the way, the police were on duty in my village today. All day. I had the opportunity to watch two cars from the window of my kitchen. In general, we reap what we sow. And this is only one aspect. The question is, what else do we not see?

[Victor N]

It’s time to kick asses in Russia!

[Martin]

As always, after Roman’s “political” article: a flood of comments on the topic “I will/will not go to vote,” “bad/good Putin,” “poor people/oligarch wolves.” And even if someone tries to discuss something from the article, then this weak attempt drowns in the pool.

According to the article itself.
1. According to the form of presentation.
Roman, you can have any opinion based on your individual worldview. But if you’ve already decided to present it in an article, especially one that calls for discussion, then it would be good to “sweep away with indignation”© all maxims and cliches about “a bunch of oligarch politicians” and distortions about “we are forming a crowd and...”. Since when, for example, did the word “patriot” begin to have a negative connotation? Yes, I am a patriot of my country. And, yes, I have comments on the conclusions you voiced regarding amendments to the Constitution. But will I have the desire to enter into controversy if the article about people like me says “gentlemen patriots who have felt better”?
2. The essence of what was written.
Everything is so simplified and cliched, as if it was designed for Navalny’s contingent with his rubber ducks. Common sense just shrugs its shoulders. Have you read the Constitution? Here is the one that is in effect right now, before the amendments. Have you inserted amendments into the current text in order to compare line by line what was and what has become? It’s clear from your text - no, they didn’t read or compare.

A huge number of amendments are aimed solely at ensuring rule by those who really have power in Russia today. That is, the oligarchy.

Well, let's. Give the number of the article of the Constitution, quote: here it was, here it is, this change clearly ensures the rule of the oligarchy and nothing more.
3. There is a single phrase in the article that I will subscribe to with all my hands and feet. And I’ll be happy to quote:

Think. For smart people, perhaps the future.

PS Roman, so what do we have with warships? I'm looking forward to it.

[Oleg1]

So ... All these screams somehow don't look very good. To ban the tearing away of the territory suddenly decided by those who gave them quite normally. Yes, at first they gave it away, then it was banned. In addition to demarcation. The loophole remained, otherwise in general “bees against honey” turned out.

Only it seemed to me that the author is categorically not satisfied with the very fact of the ban on giving up territories?
Those who like to trade the Motherland, distribute and seize Russian lands, as well as small-town Natsiks - of course they don’t like this! The question arises: which of these categories does the author belong to?
What’s also touching is the author’s passage that despite the idiotic comments from his point of view, there are still smart people at VO. It is necessary to understand that those who disagree with him are at least not smart? This is so democratic... I just remember with longing Grandfather Stalin, he knew how to get a lot out of such things....

[Freeman]

Dear citizens: Aerodromny (Aerodromny); Sling cutter (Private Airborne Forces); Stas157 (Stas); Romey (Dmitry); Leshy1975; serpent (Sergey); AK1972 (Alexey); Svarog (Vladimir) and possibly other citizens who did not express their point of view, but hold views like:

not coming. decided. it makes no sense to play with someone who has three aces up his sleeve.

- You have not yet realized that they are no longer “playing” with you - “Rounders” decided to “gop-stop”.
And it won’t be possible to walk past them, “pushing your hat over your eyes and pulling your head into your shoulders” so as not to be “snapped.”

We’ll just create a PR picture for propagandists. They will announce that the people actively and massively supported it.

- It’s not a problem to create a picture for PR. They will “ask” all state employees “assigned” to a certain polling station to come vote at a certain time - and the “picture of extras” is ready.

No need to go. There's no point. Whether there will be a turnout or not, the swindlers will accept their amendments. We will not achieve anything by ignoring or actively AGAINST it.

Indeed, the amendments actually have already been accepted (according to the current acceptance procedure).
And in fact, there will be not a “popular vote” (here the voting procedure was not followed), but some kind of “poll”. That's why there will be a "survey", and you need to go to it.

Let me explain. “The authorities” constantly “monitor the situation” and, based on the mood in society, make certain decisions. If this had not happened, Putin would not have been able to remain in power for 20 years.
If people didn’t take to the streets against the “pension reform”, they ended up with a “circus” with the Constitution.
- Why did the “pension reform” take place?
- Yes, because the previous presidential elections showed a large percentage of such “boycotters on the couch.”
“The authorities” want to know the real percentage of their opponents - What, are YOU afraid to say your “NO”?!

And I’ll quote myself again

And your reluctance to use the right granted to you ( still ) say "NO!" - you decided to "tacitly" support this coup.

Silent means consent.
From the Latin: Silentium videtur confessio (Silentium Videtur Confessio |.
From the message of Pope Boniface VIII (1294-1303), which was included in canon law (a set of decisions of the highest authority in the Roman Catholic Church).

Well, in response to this “argument”:

And it also seems to me that the Putinists are calling for you to go and vote “against”.

I’ll give you my own - Citizens calling for a “boycott”, with their position, remind me of the well-known Vasisualiy Lokhankin.

«At precisely sixteen hours and forty minutes, Vasisualiy Lokhankin went on a hunger strike. He lay on the oilcloth sofa, turned away from the whole world, facing the convex sofa back. He was lying in suspenders and green socks, which in Chernomorsk are also called caps. After fasting for about twenty minutes in this position, Lokhankin groaned and rolled over...

- Why didn’t you announce the “boycott”?

And in the life of Vasisualiy Andreevich a period of painful thoughts and moral suffering began. There are people who don’t know how to suffer, but somehow it doesn’t work out. And if they do suffer, they try to do it as quickly as possible and unnoticed by others. Lokhankin suffered openly, majestically, he whipped his grief with tea glasses, he reveled in it.

- The same “criticism of the authorities on the forum”, instead of taking advantage of the granted right to say “NO”.
IMHO.

[Altona]

Quote: Freeman

- The same “criticism of the authorities on the forum”, instead of taking advantage of the granted right to say “NO”.

----------------------
The difficult question is really "no or boycott." You voiced Nikolai Platoshkin’s position in exactly the same words; it’s nice that there are people who have an opinion. Or rather, they took a civic position.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Altona

It's nice that there are people who have opinions. Or rather, those who took a civic position

Your “civil position” is easily neutralized by the cow virus.

Congratulations to all the local liberals - losers... my condolences

[Altona]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Congratulations to all the local liberals - losers...

----------------------------------
As always, in one pile, without understanding. Left, right, simply disagreeing.

[flicker]

Indeed, the amendments have actually already been adopted (according to the current adoption procedure).
And in fact, there will be not a “popular vote” (here the voting procedure was not followed), but some kind of “poll”. That’s because there will be a “survey”, and you need to go to it.

But for some reason they missed a small thing:
To accept the violations of power, it was enough to get 2/3 of the votes in the Duma, 3/4 in the Federation Council and then for the signature of the president. And no polls, much less referendums, are needed.
But the authorities (in the person of Putin!!!) decided to give the people the opportunity to speak out on this matter.
Instead, there were shouts against Putin (who, I repeat, gave us the opportunity to express our decisive position) in unison with provocative articles.

Maybe someone is very worried that Putin wants to communicate and resolve issues with the people, and not with the elite.
Maybe that’s why the articles are of such a focus?

[Karabin]

Let me explain. “The authorities” constantly “monitor the situation” and, based on the mood in society, make certain decisions.

Weak argument. But does it matter for monitoring how a person says “no” by putting a ballot in a ballot box or voting with his feet?

[Freeman]

Quote: Karabin

Let me explain. “The authorities” constantly “monitor the situation” and, based on the mood in society, make certain decisions.

Weak argument. Does it matter for monitoring? How will a person say “no” by putting a ballot in a ballot box or voting with his feet?

No, it doesn't matter.
People may not come to vote both because they do not support the amendments, or because they support them, but are so confident of victory that they do not consider it necessary to spend personal time voting

[Victor N]

But you still haven’t said which amendments you personally don’t like?

[Freeman]

Quote: Victor N

But you still haven’t said which amendments you personally don’t like?

I already wrote this, even on this thread, but I’ll repeat it.
I enumerate:
1. State Council - the creation of a new constitutional authority with undefined functions.
You vote, and we will determine its functions later.
2. Federal territories - changing the federal structure.
It makes it possible to allocate from the territories of the Subjects of the Federation certain “oprichnina” lands, for example, with mineral reserves or industrial areas. The rest of the "zemstvo" - live "as best you can."
3. Redistribution of power between branches of government.
- Nobody explains how this will affect the independence of, for example, the Court and the Prosecutor's Office (the system of “checks and balances”).
4. Many “amendments” that duplicate federal laws.

[flicker]

Well, the author doesn’t understand a thing about jurisprudence
And it looks like he was never sued!
Otherwise I wouldn’t have carried this “game”:

Many of our readers think that if it is written in the Constitutionthat international law does not prevail over national law, it will somehow be able to solve all the problems.

Almost everything in court depends on the INTERPRETATION of what is recorded. And therefore all sorts of little things should be spelled out.
Once again: SIGN UP!
That is why they decided to enshrine in the Constitution that: marriage is a relationship between a man and a woman.
Because in court they don’t go through arguments: well, like “it’s clear.”
Other amendments should be spelled out similarly, including an amendment that will allow Russian legislation to be given priority over international legislation.

[steelmaker]

Bravo! "Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye."

[Radical]

Respect for the article, Roman!

[Radical]

Quote: Finches

I can agree with the circus ... but everything else is not entirely true! Observers will be ordinary people. By the way, when discussing the Stalin Constitution of 1936, more than 6 amendments were submitted from all over the USSR from labor collectives and employees ... - why it was remembered! I now think that under Joseph Vissarionovich, the entire VO site from moderators to privates would have long benefited the country by extracting peat in the swamps of Mordovia!

Let's start with the fact that under him there would be no oligarchs, and something else, and something else - thus there would be no reason for us to post relevant comments, and for him to send us to the peat bogs.

[flicker]

express Your Personal Opinion and show how flawed the author is

but the author is not flawed, as many people think, and the author convincingly expressed this here:

Think. For smart people, perhaps the future.

Well, how can you then say that the author is “flawed”?
Indeed, not for those who love their Motherland, but for the “smart” ones!
I would also like to find out what the author means by “smart”?
***
ZY Roma traditoribus non premia – “Rome does not pay traitors”
Because he despises them.

[Knell wardenheart]

What does “patriotism” have to do with amendments to the Constitution? Does anyone seriously think that if such a train of changes is introduced so easily and without a referendum, then all these changes will somehow protect the country from the giving away of territories? Yes, in the same way, without a referendum, through all these councils-bureaucracy, they will pass anything under any sauce - and everything will be as it is now. Has the Federation Council ever refused something to the President? Do you think they will introduce amendments and refuse?) No. All this is a piece of writing, you can add anything you want - it’s called “Absolutism”. When the ruler is above the laws that he writes.

In my opinion, the addition of all this game mixed with “seemingly sensible ideas” is the main cruelty of what is happening. Before our eyes, one person + 100500 of his highly paid extras are twisting the “Basic Law” as they please. If you are satisfied with this, go and vote “Yes”. But after this, thinking that you are a free person will be a mistake.

[Observer2014]

Quote: Uncle Lee

You cannot argue with the Leader of the world proletariat!

Any objections!? I can’t hear. Oh, oooooh! Where is the objection!?

[aglet]

Quote: flicker

Hmm, but Roman seems to prefer the saying of other people: "There is never too much shekels."

and what is your qualified opinion based on?

[flicker]

Why do we react so painfully to shekels?
Has your favorite currency been hit?

[aglet]

Quote: Den717

And what did you make out? Some tears and resentment of a misunderstood genius ...

write your article on this topic and you will become an understood genius. criticizing is easy

[aglet]

Quote: flicker

Therefore, all sorts of little things must be spelled out.

All sorts of little things are spelled out in our traffic rules. The constitution is not for little things. You seem to be a complete ignoramus in writing constitutions. and your visits to the courts do not yet make you a professional lawyer

[flicker]

all sorts of little things are spelled out in the traffic rules

“With us” - are you talking about the kibbutz?

[aglet]

Quote: iouris

what is he right about? Quote: "Think. Smart people may be the future." End of quote. This is a call to whom?

this is a call to those who can think, but obviously not to you

[aglet]

Quote: flicker

It seems to me that the author suggests enriching while there is an opportunity.

have you read the article? if you passionately want to get rich with Amer’s money, then there’s not a word about it in the article

[flicker]

if you passionately want to get rich with Amer's money

I want to get rich with yuan

[aglet]

Quote: iouris

Quote: "Think. Smart people may be the future." End of quote

"and these strange words - a dog is a man's friend." Do you think this is something unusual?

[aglet]

Quote: Ilya-spb

By the way, I am one of the few on this site who does not hide his face under an avatar mask

what heroism!!!

[aglet]

Quote: flicker

Maybe, or maybe banal commerce

sir, why are you all thinking about money? maybe according to Freud?

[flicker]

maybe according to Freud?

Maybe. By the way, was he one of yours?

[aglet]

Quote: Sergey Olegovich

Liberals will not help you. They will kill the country.

absolutely right. That’s exactly what they are doing right now. The president, the government, the Duma, the Federation Council. who else have you forgotten?

[aglet]

Quote: Roman12345678

Patriot is generally a diagnosis

a citizen of a country must be a patriot. but a patriot of the motherland, and not the president personally

[aglet]

Quote: flicker

. But 80 billion (Again: 80 billion)

why are you so greedy? Is it a complete beggar, don’t you even reach the middle class? every comment is about money, and you’re drooling

[flicker]

why are you so greedy?

Yes, like this.

completely poor or what?

Where have you, dear, seen greedy beggars? Isn't it in a kibbutz?

[aglet]

Quote: flicker

Do you know that in 2007 the country was one step away from the civil war?

do you know? where did they spread gossip back then? and in 2007, the sun-faced ruler had already ruled for 7 years, how did he bring the country to the brink of civil war? and who stopped it (the war)? You? for free?

[flicker]

do you know?

I know.

whence?

From there.

Any questions?

[aglet]

Quote: aybolyt678

that is, you need to vote against the amendments ??? then there is hope for a second vote with an expanded set of socialist buns ???

if everything comes in one package, in the end you won’t get any goodies

[Victor N]

Those who dream of devouring go in the other direction.

[aglet]

Quote: Vadim237

For the Author - in the country as a whole, everything is bad.

do you have any other information? What is your last name, Vladimir Vladimirovich? Sechin, Miller, Rotenberg, Chemezov, Chubais, in the end?

[aglet]

Quote: Boris55

If we increase, then they will definitely decrease - the law of conservation.

so far everything is exactly the opposite

[MAVr964]

Not coming means giving your vote (ballot) to those who can use it instead of you, I personally will be against it. Because of 2, 3 useful points, I will not vote at once....

[Victor N]

Not everyone is able to master civil rights. Therefore, they must be distributed with caution, especially being wary of those who have come in large numbers, for whom the fate of OUR State, the fate of the heritage of our dear ancestors is deeply indifferent.

[Afghan1979]

What is not an article is slop. All. There's nothing else to do here - it's a dump.

[Vladimir SHajkin]

Amendments to the Constitution cannot be supported; amendments will not make the Constitution better. This is a bone for a hungry dog ​​to make it grateful to its owner.
Why don't they do better?
Because the Constitution, although it has direct effect, only works for the president, and you cannot demand the fulfillment of anything on its basis; laws are needed for this.
The President has legislative initiative and it would be better if he introduced the relevant laws into the codes of the Russian Federation, then it would be better for all citizens, you would be able to directly demand the implementation of the laws.
You should not vote, much less automatically extend the term of him and his camarilla, they will fight and promote the presidential approach, that is, changes to the Constitution, because they understand that this gives citizens practically nothing, but immediately saves “everything that has been acquired beyond their means.” labor" for them, because they remain with the "guarantor".
If the guarantor is such a guardian of the people, a socialist, let him not give away bones, but fulfill the duties assigned to him, introduce the appropriate bills to the Duma and let them try not to pass them. Then we will all see in what direction our state will develop, and who loves Russia more.
Who should we love more - Putin or Russia? We have 140 million Putins, but Russia is one for all.

- for the first 2 terms, I also supported him, and then, under the persuasion of the camarilla or he himself liked it, he crossed the line, broke the law and after that respect ended,
- once he was asked the question why they don’t change the flat tax scale? His answer: “we have not learned how to administer taxes.” That is, they learned how to administer the collection, but not how to administer so that they don’t steal? What are you there for?
- changed the seven-banker position, to whom? On the shock worker of communist labor, who suddenly became rich and others from his camarilla are the same. Are they better than the seven bankers? Yes, it’s 100 times worse, those were equidistant, and these were equally close.
- according to EU law, money transferred from abroad has the right of immunity from criminal prosecution until the contrary is proven, and it is very difficult to prove there, there is democracy there, do you think he doesn’t know this?
- 50 billion Yukos, but Yukos was not worth that kind of money even at the time of its greatest prosperity, but this indemnity is like for the defeated side, because having signed one and entering the community, it must be interpreted as it is customary there and there is no point in citing something that is not there accepted. They don’t go to someone else’s monastery with their own rules. Since you allow yourself to interpret laws to please yourself, then others will interpret your laws to please themselves.
- extended the retirement age, but did not fulfill his own promise. But we are striving to improve the economy and move it onto new tracks - automation, robotization, cybernetics, what should we do with the people? A completely opposite approach was needed,
- amendments - 400, more than articles in the constitution, what are they about?
- 20 years in power, continuously, and another 4 years to come, what did he do?
- that’s why they change the highest power, so that there is no ossification and sitting until holes and licking until it shines, it is necessary to change the power and then there will be a social lift


“Old man Murtaikin rose in the tobacco smoke. He folded his hands prayerfully on his chest and said: “Fyodor Ivanovich, I ask you, the community asks, leave the chair for Christ’s sake! Our strength is gone. Tenth year without a harvest. The little cows have died, the little cow won’t be born either... and your brothers sold their last mower to the neighbors... . And they mug everyone, don’t say a word. Get lost, then go away. Have some shame".
The meeting roared with approval. But then Sofya Pryalkina took the floor. Sparkling with the star of a hero of socialist labor, she began quietly: “yes, comrades, Fyodor Petrovich Sorokin has served all his terms as chairman, but we cannot change our power today when our neighbors are coveting our lands. When the elections begin, they will open up the arable land and meadows behind the Dunka swamp, - and suddenly she shouted out loud - we can’t, we can’t now without a firm hand. Don’t leave us Ivanovich!” The meeting became thoughtful. In silence the chairman stood up. Having found Murtaikin with his eyes, he turned to him, “well said, old man. Thank you for the bitter truth." After which he left the table, pushed his way towards Murtaikin, grabbed his head with both hands, so much so that his grandfather’s hat flew to the side, and pressed a long kiss to his beard. Taking a break from the stunned Murtaikin, without looking at anyone, he returned to the chairman’s seat.
After a long coughing and blowing his nose, he finally raised his wet eyes to the meeting: “brothers and sisters,” his voice trembled, “who would I be if I abandoned you now, when everything is in such ruin and destruction, when there is no peace on the borders of my native collective farm!” What about the international situation? ..."
... Dispersing after the meeting, the men explained: “Yes, our Ivanovich is the head, he grabbed everything! Well, who should I change it to? There is no replacement for him. What a time...” (Timofey Pogudin. “Time to Plow.” M. “Soviet Writer.” 1962)

[Victor N]

That's why you insulted the whole people with a comparison with a “hungry dog”? They offended the President, whom the same people elected. Don't be afraid of responsibility. And in a serious company? A lot of grievances have accumulated towards the authorities... But governing a country is a difficult matter. Try to imagine how you can realize your desires only seriously. They talked about personal income tax and the President’s response. Now look around - many people do not pay taxes on a flat scale, do not pay to the Pension Fund - how to force them? Which is included in the concept of administration. Or maybe we should be offended at the defaulters, and at the President for raising the retirement age? Don’t be like screamers like “Svarog” and “Stroporez”

[Lekz]

The groans are, of course, understandable. Putin wants to extend his presidency in order to... preserve the wealth of his “friends”!? Why does he need this? Will they erect a good monument? Don't be funny already.
Over the past twenty years, under his leadership they have made a country. There was a territory that was stolen by everyone and everything. I created a country in which pensions and salaries are paid monthly, there are no shootings in the streets, and major infrastructure facilities are in place. A country that has fully paid off its debts has solid gold and foreign exchange reserves. A country whose GDP has grown 15 times, and the welfare of its citizens has tripled... Yes, not everyone likes this, and so be it.

[Nameless]

Wow! Yes, here is a raspberry of “fighters against the regime”!

You will all still have nightmares and sweaty dreams about me!

[Comrade Kim]

Quote: alecsis69

Everyone repeats "Echo of Moscow"

Apparently adherents of European homosexual values ​​recognize each other by the frequency on which this disgusting station broadcasts.
Meanwhile, gold continues to flow out of the country:
http://zavtra.ru/events/iz_moskvi_v_london_speshno_vivezli_tonnu_zolota_na_summu_bolee_23_mlrd
"This was discovered completely by accident.
The fact is that the unfortunate cargo handlers at Sheremetyevo Airport lost a plastic container with two gold bars weighing 25,5 kg and worth almost 58 million rubles during loading. They fell out of the loading trolley and the container split when they fell. The ingots were found either by other loaders, or by employees of the Sheremetyevo aviation security service (data vary).,"

[Lekz]

Stop spreading fake news.

[aglet]

Quote: flicker

Any questions?

what kind of questions can answer such answers, obs, obviously, and you, one of these women

[aglet]

Quote: flicker

Where have you, dear, seen greedy beggars? Isn't it in a kibbutz?

I’m not your relative, and you’re clearly from a kibbutz, or somewhere else, from the promised one, you can tell by the money

[aglet]

Quote: flicker

Maybe. By the way, was he one of yours?

not from ours, but from yours, there’s no need to think about it

[aglet]

Quote: flicker

“With us” - are you talking about the kibbutz?

What, you don’t know any other settlements besides the kibbutz you live in? I’m not from a kibbutz, not from a Jewish collective farm, but you seem to be from there, a party organizer, no?

[aglet]

Quote: flicker

Has your favorite currency been hit?

Do you know any other currency besides shekels? By the way, the ruble is also a currency, although not in your Israel

[aglet]

Quote: flicker

I want to get rich with yuan

you are ready to get rich with any money, one of your fellow tribesmen did just that, at one time

[aglet]

Quote: Nameless

You will all still have nightmares and sweaty dreams about me!

you are clearly exaggerating your role in history. sweat in your bed

[Foxmara]

Well, I heard a ringing, but I don’t know where it is. The information is in open form. Why did they carry out the demarcation? Because without it it is impossible to annex a significantly larger territory in the Arctic. First, it was necessary to settle controversial issues regarding the territories. Note that they are controversial. And they didn’t just give it away and give it as a gift. It seems like Roman is a smart person, but when an article is written only to kick those you don’t like for political reasons, it’s somehow wrong. I won’t go into the rest, it’s a waste of time, because there seem to be no thinking people left here. I'll just note one more thing. The point, of course, is not about Vasya or Petya, who will eventually want to give the Kuril Islands, but about the fact that Putin is not eternal and that it will not be so easy to give away what our grandfathers shed blood for when he leaves. There were attempts before Putin.

[kakvastam]

The point of introducing amendments is not at all in the amendments themselves.

This procedure will once and for all remove the question of, to put it mildly, the dubious legality of the procedure for adopting the current constitution itself, which has been raised quite often in recent years.

Anyone who votes for the amendments will automatically legitimize the original text, since correcting an invalid document is pointless.

It’s even easier for those who vote against the change - they will clearly speak out for the current constitution.

The result, whatever the outcome of the vote, will be the legitimization of the fundamental law.

From the point of view of consolidating the existing state of affairs and excluding the possibility of its revision in the near future, this is certainly a good thing.

[Lekz]

Well, let's look at an alternative point of view. Based on substantive comments.
1. Demarcation is generally marking the border with signs (I don’t know why it scared me), delimitation is more complicated. You can, of course, fight for every inch, but there is a difference between the transfer of Crimea or the Kaliningrad region and the adaptation of the border due to a change in the river bed or another natural circumstance. This difference is what we are talking about. And Vanya Vetkin can express his opinion about the Ryazan region as much as he likes. And they punish for actions and calls for them.
2. I personally understand everything about the priority of international law. It’s only the inferior who need to ask for a foreign document/decision in order to do something in their own country. Many people will be pleased if an ordinary district judge somewhere in Florida declares the criminal prosecution of Yukos owners illegal for tax evasion? At the same time, another district officer in the state of Texas (conditionally) will completely undress Tinkov for the same thing. So the same is Russian legislation, but here is US law! Feel the difference. Therefore, we share this way, the poor versus the full-fledged ones. But everyone chooses for themselves.
3. I am also annoyed by the change in the ruble exchange rate. More precisely, not the change itself, but the fuss around it. For some reason they decided that living in capitalism can be free from its shortcomings. When the stock market in the United States fell by a third, it was their troubles, and we were kind of in the “house”. That same “green” depreciated by exactly that third. And ours is only 15% “wooden”. Therefore, I am ready to welcome the fact that protecting and ensuring the stability of the ruble is becoming the main function of the Central Bank. And I don’t even understand why this should bother anyone.

Something like that.

[Frank]

And most importantly, everything is for the people.

[Alexandra Kapaeva]

Officials would be prohibited from having a second citizenship and buying real estate abroad. This needs to be done.

[Them]

Quote: Aleksandra Kapaeva

Officials would be prohibited from having a second citizenship and buying real estate abroad. This needs to be done.

This is unlikely to happen, but for ordinary citizens who are not in power, the conditions for obtaining a second citizenship have been simplified. It is possible to obtain second passports for members of the entire family under the terms of investing in the country’s economy or through the purchase of tourist real estate. I am studying the possibility of obtaining Grenada citizenship, here in a well-known magazine https://www.forbes.ru/359203-grenada-citizenship-for-investments This is what this article is about.