Turkish military received the first batch of medium tanks Kaplan

Turkish Armed Forces begin to receive first production medium Tanks Kaplan. According to the portal janes.com, FNSS delivered the first six production vehicles to the Turkish army.

As explained in the Turkish Ministry of Defense, according to the official classification, this medium tank in the Turkish army will be considered a "tracked anti-tank vehicle." The first two pre-production tanks the Turkish military received in December last year, now it comes to production vehicles. Unfortunately, the Turkish military did not release information on the number of Kaplan medium tanks ordered.

The machine was developed as part of the Modern Medium Weight Tank (MMWT) program by the Turkish FNSS Corporation in conjunction with the Indonesian company PT Pindad. The joint Turkish-Indonesian tank Kaplan MT is a development conducted primarily in the interests of the armed forces of Indonesia. The tank uses the new generation Kaplan tracked chassis developed by the Turkish FNSS corporation. The tower is the Belgian CMI Defense CT-CV with a 105 mm rifled Cockerill gun and a coaxial 7,62 mm machine gun. The gun is equipped with a drum-type automatic loader and is compatible with NATO standard 105-mm tank ammunition. The machine is equipped with a digital fire control system with stabilized sights (with integrated thermal imaging channel and a laser range finder), information management and navigation systems, as well as a system of all-round visibility.

Survival of the machine and crew is provided by laser radiation sensors, smoke grenade launchers, a system of protection against toxic substances of mass destruction, as well as an automated fire protection system.

Comments

[ABM]

for 1945 - a great tank, by the way. Surpasses even the T-54, probably

[Graz]

why is he superior to that? if only with modern electronics, the 54ki has 200mm forehead armor, and this pelvis has a heavy machine gun in the best case, and the weight is about the same for cars

[Zaurbek]

With tanks with 125mm you can’t reach, 54ku will completely shoot at a range.

[bistrov.]

Quote: Graz

54ki forehead armor 200mm,

These are towers of 200 mm., And the forehead is only 100., and so, yes, I think he is far from 54.

[mvg]

54ki forehead armor 200mm

With 54 at least, the M-41 lungs competed on equal terms, with a 90 mm gun. They took it in the forehead. Not talking about the Centurions. In what war did this miracle tank win? The one that got as a trophy by hundreds?

[Voltsky]

they play in tanks :) they are sure that the power of tank weapons has not changed, and the fact that 100-200mm is really a panacea ...
they are such hatchets, a lot of ambition, and then a lot of caviar :)

[Lopatov]

Quote: mvg

In what war did this miracle tank win?

[Voltsky]

won in suppression of uprising? :)

[Lopatov]

Quote: Voletsky

won in suppression of uprising? :)

E .....
In fact, formally in the photograph, the victory of the uprising, and not its suppression.

Suppression just did not really succeed. Despite the fact that Americans suppressed

[Voltsky]

not much wrong, no? :) I just confused the side ... and this is just one picture

[mvg]

Vietnam, Korea? Arabs? See the loss statistics with light M-24 and M-41. And when you bring the average M-26 and M-48 it became sad. And the Arabs were generally shot from 3 km. The D-10 gun seems to be much inferior to the English L-7, and the antediluvian sights. Daytime allowed to work from 1200 m, night from 400 .. Probably only the price is low, but they paid for it with their lives.
Another approach with the West.

[Lopatov]

Quote: mvg

Another approach with the West.

What's the difference?
The question was "What war did this miracle tank win?" The answer is Vietnamese.

Quote: mvg

And the Arabs were generally shot from 3 km.

Even with the super-precise MT-12, I would not dare to shoot at 3 km. I'm afraid the stories about 3 km are from the category of hunting tales.

[Voltsky]

and the t-72 lost in afghan according to your logic?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Voletsky

and the t-72 lost in afghan according to your logic?

Do you have a problem with the story?

[Voltsky]

And you ?!

It’s just that, according to my information, the war in Vietnam was lost by the Americans for political reasons and thanks to the T-55, you :)

[Lopatov]

Quote: Voletsky

It’s just that, according to my data, the Vietnam War was lost by the Americans

I don’t know who is supplying you with information, but the Vietnam War ended on April 30, 1975.
By this time, the Americans had not fought in it for more than two years. They Withdrew March 29, 1973

[Voltsky]

?! themselves joked themselves laughed ?! or you answer your own questions posed by yourself in your mind.

I didn’t seem to touch any dates, I just indicated that the conflict was lost for political reasons

[Lopatov]

Quote: Voletsky

I didn’t touch any dates

But in vain ....
Otherwise, they would have known that the last two years of the Vietnam War were fought without the participation of the Americans.

[Voltsky]

Quote: Spade

But in vain ....
Otherwise, they would have known that the last two years of the Vietnam War were fought without the participation of the Americans.

Quote: Voletsky

only indicated that the conflict was lost for political reasons

if there was political will, Vietnam would not exist, I hope you do not need to be educated in history, what did the gentlemen from Washington think about doing? :)

And I look at you as Chegevara jammed in the civil war :) there, not the tanks won, but the general uprising of the masses

[Lopatov]

Quote: Voletsky

if there was political will, Vietnam would not be

"Young man, it's called "if my grandmother had a ****, then she was a grandfather."" (with)

Quote: Voletsky

and the general uprising of the masses

Y-yes ....
History is clearly not your thing ...

[Voltsky]

probably not mine :) At least, what I know does not exactly indicate the victorious zerg rush t-55 :)))) And more about the inability to resist the southerners, and that the SGA did not have the political will to continue this farce: )

[Lopatov]

Quote: Voletsky

And more about the inability to resist the southerners, and that the SGA did not have the political will to continue this farce :)

In short, I see. The North Vietnamese fought unfairly and unprofessionally, because they themselves and the T-55 tank cannot be considered victors in the war.

Your feedback is very important to us.......

[Voltsky]

You are not very adequate as I look :)

The North Vietnamese were victorious in the war, the T-55 participated in this war on the victorious side, but he was nothing outstanding from himself either there or in the war against the Jews.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Voletsky

The North Vietnamese were victorious in the war, the T-55 participated in this war on the victorious side, but he was nothing outstanding from himself either there or in the war against the Jews.

And this, I'm sorry, is already fierce nonsense.
At the level "Sergeant Pupkin. Of course he fought on the winning side, and even signed for the Reichstag, but he is not a winner. Because in my super-expert opinion, he did not show himself ...."

[Voltsky]

if in the jungle of the Indochina he proved himself to be excellent (exclusively according to your version, and to your hell he knows where to take it from), then in the sands of the Sinai and the Levant he sucked on both cheeks.

And if you translate into your language, then under Brest Pupkin seemed to be listed in the composition, and under Volokolamsk he crap liquid.
The total data contradict each other, Either Pupkin was not near Brest or he was wounded, or he was struck by combat diarrhea near Volokolamsk; neither one nor the other cannot be used as reliable information.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Voletsky

and under Volokolamsk crap liquid.

But he got to Berlin. And therefore the winner. Whatever they think on the sofas.

[avdkrd]

The North Vietnamese were victorious in the war, the T-55 participated in this war on the victorious side, but he was nothing outstanding from himself either there or in the war against the Jews.

Where does so much bile come from? Offended the mouse, wrote in the hole? Have you praised the light Turkish-made fire support system? This is because it was called a tank. For information, in the Arab-Israeli conflict, the T-55 (54) showed itself to be 5 with a plus. The Israeli military admits this without unnecessary pathos. Why the Arabs lost lies on a different plane, just the Jews are better at fighting and better motivated. T-55 and its versions from China are not just classics, they are classics recognized all over the world. The only thing it will give way to a modern "medium" tank is in the situational awareness of the crew. However, the Chinese cheaply and angrily solve this issue by placing external cameras and new sights.

[Voltsky]

I do not have bile, the attitude to this unit is absolutely equal, but I do not intend to admit that the creation of the late 40g of the last century is superior to modern samples.

[maidan.izrailovich]

that the conflict was lost for political reasons

Losing the war for "political reasons"? This is something new in local verbiage. Perhaps it meant losing because of the politicians? Is that possible. This is how the Soviet army "lost" in Afghanistan. But the Americans lost outright Vietnam on the battlefield.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Voletsky

a t-72

And 105 mm, by the way, doesn’t take the T-72 frontal armor, even the armor of the very first export ones.

[MSN]

One of the very first feathered sub-caliber M111 remarkably pierced the VLD T72. I had to urgently strengthen.

[Gray brother]

Quote: MSN

One of the very first feathered sub-caliber M111 remarkable VLD T72

Where did they meet?

[MSN]

IN USSR . Trophy Israeli and T-72A. After the 1982 war. On tests - breaking through the frontal armor. As a result, OCD Reflection is launched. As a result, the strengthening of the frontal armor of the USSR MBT since 1984.

[Gray brother]

Quote: MSN

. Trophy Israeli and T-72A. After the 1982 war. On tests - breaking through the frontal armor.

Never heard of that.

[MSN]

In 1982, in the 38th research institute of the Ministry of Defense (the city of Kubinka), an American-made Israeli M48A5 tank was delivered from the combat area, equipped with a mounted DZ, which was intended to deal with cumulative ammunition. In this tank were the 105-mm M111 BPS, which were tested on the frontal armor of the T-72 tank. At the same time, for a comparative assessment, together with the M111 BPS, a 125-mm 3BM22 “Hairpin” projectile was fired
The hairpin did not break, M 111 broke.

[Gray brother]

Quote: MSN

The hairpin did not break, M 111 broke.

OK. M111 was not the only ammunition that existed at that time.

[MSN]

M 111 struck into the most protected area. Bulletin of armored vehicles No. 12/1991 S.8-13. Interesting about armor 72

[Gray brother]

Quote: MSN

M 111 struck into the most protected area.

I know that this is not the most common ammunition at that time, the rest did not pierce.

[MSN]

As you can see the T-72 100 mm BM-8 made its way into the forehead. And you about L-7.

[Gray brother]

Quote: MSN

As you can see the T-72 100 mm BM-8 made its way into the forehead.

In weakened areas. They are listed and Russian in white says that the probability of getting into these zones is negligible.
M111 at that time was the latest projectile, and even if this shelling were not there, the armor would still be strengthened due to the appearance of 120mm guns from NATO.

[MSN]

Be careful. The probability of getting into the NLD is negligible, and it is thrown out of the calculation of the area of ​​the relaxed booking. The remaining area is 30%. Do you see scans? I am not very experienced in this forum.

[Gray brother]

Quote: MSN

. Do you see scans?

Of course, it is impressive in percentage terms, but outwardly it’s not very, it’s precisely those places where it’s most likely to get hit.
I don’t see anything terrible.

[MSN]

Another article.
As shown by tests of shelling the hull and turret of the T-72B tank, carried out according to the program [2] with BM-26 shells with armor penetration 200 mm of medium-hard steel armor at an angle of 60 ° from a distance of 2 km and BM-22 with armor penetration of 170 mm / 60 ° s 2 km, weakened zones made their way from distances, m:
The driver’s area (in the middle line of the weakened zone) …………. 1
The roof of the tower …………………………… ... …………………………. 3
Commander's hatch ...................................... 3
The zone weakened by the trunnions of the gun .............................................. ............ 1
    The gun’s embrasure is protected only from the B-32 armor-piercing bullet of 12,7 mm caliber from a distance of 100 m.

[Gray brother]

Quote: MSN

As shown by tests of shelling the hull and turret of the T-72B tank, carried out according to the program [2] with BM-26 shells with armor penetration 200 mm of medium-hard steel armor at an angle of 60 ° from a distance of 2 km and BM-22 with armor penetration of 170 mm / 60 °

At the training ground, you can shoot until you turn blue and still get exactly where you wanted to.
At the European theater of operations, the average firing distance was determined (then and now too) at 1800 meters, so this is all for yourself.

[MSN]

Now T-72 and T-90 are not fighting at the European Theater. In Syria, the shooting conditions are better. The percentages are really serious, the bad thing is that half of the weakened zone is a cutout in the VLD under the hatch of the driver and gun trunnion. This is just the place to aim, and the second these places in this design can hardly be strengthened. After all, the T-72B was fired upon, it should already have removed all the posts with armor. Did not work out.

[Gray brother]

Quote: MSN

Now T-72 and T-90 are not fighting at the European Theater.

But created specifically for him. Where he was, he remained the main enemy.
They can fight anywhere.

Quote: MSN

cut-out in VLD under the driver’s hatch,

It is not as big as it seems on your projection.

And getting into the axle in probability is equal to getting into the barrel or further getting into the breech of the gun after breaking. I have read about these weakened zones many times, but for some reason no one takes this into account, you might think directly that there is no gun in the forehead of the tower and there is a porthole instead, yeah.

[MSN]

Axles do not exist on their own. They are put for something and somewhere. Together, this is a zone weakened by the trunnions of the gun. Or embrasure. What and how it makes its way and how much space it takes is indicated above. With the hatch area as well. Are they considered or not? Of course take into account. Therefore, numerous attempts to replace the old MBT. T-95 and others. An article in the journal is about this. Offers a replacement tank for the T-14 layout.

[Gray brother]

Quote: MSN

. Offers a replacement tank for the T-14 layout.

To want is not harmful, it is harmful not to want, but it is unclear what will be there for the money.
On the T-90, there DZ closes everything now, on the T-72B3M, the blocks reduced to the tower were also stuck, full-fledged apparently not because of the power of the explosion.
But in general, there is no perfection in the world.

[mvg]

The answer is in Vietnamese.

Or maybe 300 thousand Chinese, echelons of weapons and frankly anti-war mood in the states?
The tank did not stand out.
And the stories about 3 km, this video. Centurions and Merkava 2 often defeated 120 mm Rheinmetall, firing at 4-5 km. And at that moment, Jews were beating from the Golan Heights against the advancing Syrians. and stopped the attack, at times a larger enemy

[Voltsky]

no, Monsieur Lopatov is sure that this is solely the merit of the T-55 and not some hippies and media in the SSA :) And the fact that there, the southerners threw weapons in packs and ticked, so that the heels sparkled, this is exclusively thanks to the T-55: )

he’s a connoisseur of history, xs where did he read this from, but the main thing is that he’s a connoisseur :)

[Lopatov]

Quote: mvg

And the stories about 3 km, this video.

Where harsh men are forced to tie a shovel to both hands to show the real size of the fish ...
Shooting at a standing tank at this range is classified as "unlikely". For "dispersion". Shooting at a moving person is "unscientific fantasy". For the "size of the affected space"

[Zeev Zeev]

Here it is wrong. Fights during the Doomsday War were fought over short distances.

[Zeev Zeev]

Three km is the standard distance for checking the sighting of a 105 mm gun for a Merkava-2 tank. At night. For reservist tankers who see tanks once a year at best.
And in 1965, during the "Battle for Water", the firing range of the L7 gun mounted on the "Centurion" tanks was from 5.8 to 11 km. The shooting was carried out with the help of spotters and at such distances 3-5 shells were spent to destroy targets. One of the targets was hit with the first shot.

[mvg]

One of the targets was hit from the first shot

I read or watched all the wars. in this case, he wrote about Syria’s first attack on the Golan. just the numbers are those when 88 Israeli tanks repelled the first wave. but the fact that the moving tank with 8 km, I do not believe. 3 km away. Israeli film.

[Zeev Zeev]

At a distance of 8 km on a moving target without guided weapons, it is possible only with great luck or with a very large, simply huge experience. If we are talking about the attack of the Syrians on October 6, 1973, then the reflection of the first wave was carried out at distances of 3-5 kilometers.

[mvg]

Syrian attack October 6, 1973

So he wrote in the first comment. I watched the video a couple of months ago. I didn’t understand the Arabs, they prepared so much and laughed. But your intelligence was not up to par. Syria attacked almost 500-700 tanks, IS-3 T-55. Multiple advantage. Plus surprise.

[Zeev Zeev]

But the Arabs did not go wrong, they acted absolutely correctly, in full accordance with the charters of the Soviet army and the information available to them. Therefore, the Arabs won the first two days. Now about our intelligence. Ours laughed for political and economic reasons - a few months before the war, the Egyptian army was already on the Channel, a massive call for reservists was launched, which had a very negative impact on the economy, so the Golda government was very wary of warnings about a possible attack. And intelligence, seeing this attitude, also reduced the degree of tension in its forecasts.

[mvg]

they acted absolutely correctly

The Arabs had to attack at night, not all of your tanks were equipped with nightlights. And 400 m is not shooting, as in a shooting range from 3 km. The attack begins simultaneously with Egypt. Break through and destroy BTT at storage sites, and most importantly airfields. There were 4 main ones. And they were stuck for a day. Egypt still dragged air defense. For them, time was more important until the reservists and aviation were raised.
And your intelligence, literally said that the Arabs are not ready to fight now, they just play with muscles.
PS: But distracted from the topic, if the T-55 were so good, and 800 cars would be crushed by 100 Centurions in the Golan, and Egypt would not have lost a day, I'm afraid without states there would be kirdyk

[Zeev Zeev]

Our tanks at the front did not have nightlights at all. And the Arabs had them. But this did not help them much, rather the opposite. The same Zwick Gringold, who stopped a tank brigade in the Golan on one tank, used burning Syrian tanks, whose nightlights could not detect him because of the flare, as a highlight.
The attack was launched by Egypt and Syria at about 2 pm at the same time, and continued after dark. The stop of the Egyptian offensive is connected with the need to transfer tanks and air defense from beyond the Channel, without which the advancing tank armada would be rolled out on the sand (which almost happened on the second day of the Sinai war, when, after the Israeli counterattack was repelled, the Egyptians got out of the defense of air defense and received gifts from the heart from the Israeli Air Force).
The T-55 tank in numbers (armor, speed, presence of night vision devices) surpassed the Centurions and Superhermans who fought in the Golan, but had two main drawbacks - a small angle of negative tilt of the gun, because of which it could not hit targets below it ( the Syrians at the very beginning of the war captured the commanding heights, becoming an excellent target for our tankers) and the disgusting working conditions of the crew, because of which the tankers quickly got tired and could no longer quickly respond to changes in the situation. The T-62s used by the Syrians had the same problems.

[mvg]

T-55 tank on the numbers (armor, speed, presence of night vision devices)

I do not agree. Super Shermans Yes, but they also pierced the forehead 55, and the British considered the centurions to be very successful, but you still modernized them.
They attacked during the day, it was necessary at night, without artillery preparation, while the hundred above did not reach the position.
The best air defense tanks at the airport. Arabs also had aircraft.
I also read about the red-haired hero, I shot three ammunition.
There, Syria missed the airfield. The runway was repaired in half an hour.
PS: The experience was the sea, but did not prepare

[Zeev Zeev]

The main thing in the tank is always the crew. But TTXs do matter. So the Israeli crews knew the performance characteristics of their own and enemy tanks and used this knowledge very well. Especially in the Golan. Plus, the Jews defended their homeland.

[mvg]

Jews defended their homeland

Many would argue.
The Syrians knew very well TTH and Sherman and Centurion, the USSR shared info.
I am inclined to miscalculations of planning.
But the world was in the balance. You already had a French reactor; you could have a couple of charges.

[Zeev Zeev]

The Syrians and Egyptians knew the performance characteristics of the 1967 Centurions, I'm not sure about the Super Shermans, but they did not know the performance characteristics of Israel. They sacredly believed their propaganda, which assured them that Jews were cowardly and stupid.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: mvg

Look at the statistics of losses with light M-24 and M-41. And when you bring the average M-26 and M-48 it became sad

Bring.

Quote: mvg

Arabs?

This leads to the conclusion, training and tactical skills of Arabs and Israelis on the same level.

[mvg]

Bring.

there are some good films about the Vietnam and Korean wars on YouTube. with numbers and a documentary. t-34-85 / pt-76 / t-54/55/62. and Israel with numbers from Arabs and Jews. finding is not difficult.

[Zeev Zeev]

The tactical skill and training of the Arabs is the result of studying at Soviet military schools and the actions of Soviet military specialists.

[Vladimir_2U]

Maybe the moral-volitional qualities and perseverance of the Arabs are also the result of studies in the USSR and the actions of Soviet military experts? And yet, did all the Arabs all study in the USSR, or is it still only a part, and at the same time, of a minor officer level? It is not necessary to exaggerate the role of Soviet military education, its share was far from 100 percent, at least until the 67th year.

[Zeev Zeev]

Firstly, Israeli soldiers fought not only with the Arabs, but also with the Soviet military, with German mercenaries, the British and a whole bunch of different clients like the same Pakistanis or Koreans. Secondly, all officers of the tank forces, aviation and air defense of Syria and Egypt after 1956 (Operation Musketeer, if anyone does not remember) studied at the military schools of the USSR or received training in the UAR from the same Soviet specialists.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Secondly, all officers of the tank forces, aviation and air defense of Syria and Egypt after 1956 (Operation Musketeer, if anyone does not remember) studied at the military schools of the USSR or received training in the UAR from the same Soviet specialists.

Congratulations Let me not believe it, because this was not taught in the USSR.

I was always surprised by their complete unwillingness to understand the simple truth that half-hungry, drunk with smelly water from an never-cleaned tank, who hates his officer much more than any Israeli, an Egyptian soldier will not defend his homeland and will gladly abandon his commander, his weapons and his post as soon as possible

https://www.vpk-news.ru/articles/34191

[Zeev Zeev]

Are we talking about commanders or soldiers? By the way, how many soldiers from OKSVA sided with the Dushmans?

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Are we talking about commanders or soldiers?

It's about the army, you do not insist that the army, these are only officers?

Quote: Zeev Zeev

By the way, how many soldiers from OKSVA sided with the Dushmans?

What is this for? Although okay, and how much, even without taking into account the circumstances?
In general, it is strange why, when comparing equipment in general, and tanks in particular, the experience of the Iran-Iraq war is omitted, and there, with approximately the same qualifications and motivation, and comparable TTX weapons, Western equipment did not demonstrate superiority.

[Zeev Zeev]

We remember that despite the revolution and the flight of a large number of officers of the Shah’s army, Iraq was not able to defeat

[tech3030]

Only their traditions and discipline are not Soviet.

[Zeev Zeev]

No, the traditions and discipline were just Soviet. Let's remember 1939 and Karjala Motti.

[tech3030]

Can you remember something else, Berlin 1945?

[5-9]

Only the T-54/55 was booked much better, the "partners" only got this on the Chieftain, so the D-10 was enough for them (although it is certainly noticeably weaker than the L-7, which is generally super successful, especially at the beginning of the 50s).
About cardboard AMX-30 or Leopard-1 there is nothing to say ... the approach is not the same in comparison with the West ....

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: mvg

54ki forehead armor 200mm

With 54 at least, the M-41 lungs competed on equal terms, with a 90 mm gun. They took it in the forehead. Not talking about the Centurions. In what war did this miracle tank win? The one that got as a trophy by hundreds?

The fact that the Arabs were not warriors was just lucky for you.
You will encounter a hardened army of CA.
I do not envy you. They educated themselves) There is no one to repent besides yourself
You and 54 will get on)
Sorry, wait ...

[Zeev Zeev]

And who taught and directed the Arabs, if not the Soviet military?

[Voltsky]

Quote: Graz

why is he superior to that? if only with modern electronics, the 54ki has 200mm forehead armor, and this pelvis has a heavy machine gun in the best case, and the weight is about the same for cars

and the range of detection, aimed fire in the daytime and at night is also the same as that of the t-54/55, or are you just an urry-urya potts? :)
Well, you need to put up against this kaplan in t-54, and then ask your opinion about the experience gained, hat racks are not a bird talker, though they differ in intelligence and ingenuity but not in a positive way.

[RVAPatriot]

And you put on 54 similar optics, etc. .... And what will happen ???

[Voltsky]

Quote: RVAPatriot

And you put on 54 similar optics, etc. .... And what will happen ???

replace, engine, optics, suo, etc. etc. and see what happens? :)

Young man, it's called "if my grandmother had a ****, then she was a grandfather."

but the Jews have an interesting modernization package for the t-55, but it’s not rocket launcher :) it’s so in the air, that would not hurt you :)

[Lopatov]

Quote: Voletsky

Young man, it's called "if my grandmother had a ****, she would be ..

She would be TR-85M1

[Voltsky]

She would be TR-85M1

I prefer the Jewish version with the L-7 :)

Well, Monsieur Lopatov, I hope you don’t need to explain about the difference in the modernization potentials of the Kaplan with respect to the t-55? :) It’s just possible to continue in this direction, but in this dispute everything will be according to the laws of dialectics :)

[Lopatov]

Quote: Voletsky

Well, Monsieur Lopatov, I hope you don’t have to explain about the difference in modernization potentials.

Of course not. The T-55 is at least the same.
If not higher ... There would be a desire ...

T-55AGM
... and money.

[Voltsky]

Quote: Spade

Of course not. The T-55 is at least the same.
If not higher ... There would be a desire ...

T-55AGM
... and money.

What are you? :)
And the fact that everything from the transmission to the armament is obsolete and needs to be replaced, isn’t that so? :) No, my dear, if you only have a body from the old car, and then it’s greatly redesigned, then this is not a friend of mine.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Voletsky

No, my dear, if you only have a body from the old car, and then it’s heavily redesigned, then this is not my friend’s modernization.

That is still a modernization. And the T-55AGM

[Voltsky]

Is it a modernized Volga? :)

or is it still a gag project where the Volga is taken as the basis?

just considering how you understand the word "modernization", I can't understand according to your logic JF-17 - is it a modernized mig-21 or is it not? :)

[Lopatov]

Quote: Voletsky

Is it a modernized Volga? :)

This is a tuned "Volga" Series is not and is not expected.

Quote: Voletsky

JF-17 is an upgraded MIG-21

Yes. This is a product of deep modernization J-7

[Voltsky]

I got it :)

f-22 - deep modernization of f-15, f-35 - deep modernization of f-16 with elements of the yak-41, and su 57 is a flat su 27:)
and the car is a deep modernization of the wagon.

[Lopatov]

"White noise"

[Oquzyurd]

Voletsky. Forgive me, I read your argument and in my opinion you are right in the arguments.

[A.TOR]

There is not even a nut from the Volga in this car. Everything, including the headlights and the grille, is made from scratch and has completely different dimensions and proportions. The very constructive BMW coupe. The customer wanted to have a car in the style of GAZ-21 and no more.

[Voltsky]

it’s just what you indicated and I as options for upgrading the T-55, they are inferior to the Kaplan :) and then the complete alteration is complete ...
otherwise it’s a conversation that 3 t-72b3 are abundant 3 abrams 1a3 on the field, where some have a full suo-bius, and drigs only have a parody

[Lopatov]

Quote: Voletsky

they give way to a kaplan :)

??
And what are inferior?

Quote: Voletsky

3 abrams 1a3 on the field

By the way, the famous "Romanians fucked the Americans" was accomplished thanks to the "Bizons"

[Voltsky]

Quote: Spade

By the way, the famous "Romanians fucked the Americans" was accomplished thanks to the "Bizons"

I had a project in Detroit, and there it was necessary to put a switch cabinet 7 meters from the column, agree with the plan, and my colleague John, calling me, said that he could not do this because he had only 5 meters of roulette. So that they could lose to the Romanians does not bother me much; and my colleague Raymod defeated them exclusively with 5m Hilti Roulette

Quote: Spade

And what are inferior?

Suo, dynamics, lack of proper communication, modernization potential; because what you threw, and I, is the limit of the platform. And there you can still work on the Shashi, and weapons and defense.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Voletsky

Suo

You can put modern. And they put it.

Quote: Voletsky

lack of communication

You can put modern. And they put

Quote: Voletsky

modernization potential

8)))))
On the T-55, you can put a 125-mm gun. And they put it.

[Voltsky]

Quote: Spade

"White noise"

It’s strange that Indonesia didn’t acquire your wonderful Romanian crafts, for political reasons they’d make friends with the Turks

[Lopatov]

Quote: Voletsky

It’s strange that Indonesia didn’t acquire your wonderful Romanian crafts

She bought Leopards.
Including the most modern option, the Office Revolution.

[Voltsky]

Quote: Spade

She bought Leopards.
Including the most modern option, the Office Revolution.

Need to translate? :)
Harimau medium tank now in mass production

https://www.armyrecognition.com/february_2020_global_defense_security_army_news_industry/tukish-indonesian_kaplan-harimau_medium_tank_now_in_mass_production.html

[Lopatov]

Quote: Voletsky

Need to translate? :)

The tank in the photo is called Leopard 2 RI (Republic of Indonesia)

But in general-
https://www.dw.com/ru/сми-германия-одобрила-поставку-танков-индонезии/a-16797591
Need to translate?
And pay attention to the year.
At the moment, they have 42 Leopard 2A4s and 37 Leopard 2RIs that have already been upgraded.

Well, the super-super Kaplan plan so far as many as 18. If nothing hurt.

[Voltsky]

and this is the airship built in Europe at the beginning of the last century by Count Zeppelin, and it also has nothing to do with the conversation about Kaplan versus t-55 like your Leo-2

But since you have suffered such a jungle :) Then answer the question, given your laudatory praises in favor of the T-55 as a mega platform with a bottomless modernization potential, why the USSR tank school did not stop there. After all, you are describing everything so rosyly, and the MSA and the BIUS and 122mm drin, and the engine is new and to hell that it will stand on the side of it ... Maybe well, this T-90M, we will put it in the T-55 troops with deep modernization ?! and what, cheap and cheerful, and you, as an expert, say that this pepelats for centuries :)

Of course, you’ll sing the old man odes, but you’ll also cut the logic, the old is not better than the new and do not care how you upgrade it.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Voletsky

and he also has nothing to do with the conversation about Kaplan versus t-55 like your Leo-2

The airship is not in service with Indonesia, and 79 Leopards are.

Quote: Voletsky

Then answer the question, given your laudatory praises in favor of the T-55 as a mega platform with a bottomless potential for modernization, why the USSR tank school didn’t stop at it.

Because deep modernization of a tank is not much cheaper than building a new one. Who wants to, "stops". Like the Americans with the Abrams, which has been in service for 40 years, and no replacement is even foreseen, only modernization.

[Voltsky]

upgrade the T-55 to the level of Kaplan mine defense, and on this we will consider the dispute as abandoned by me :)

[Lopatov]

Quote: Voletsky

Kaplan mine defense

Is she needed?
In reality, a tank needs such a device to protect against mines:

Which protects against mines that really can be threatened. Modern mines.

Another thing is that the limit for the "Kaplan" is a 25-mm sub-caliber projectile.
That's when his defense reaches the level of T-55AGM ... That is, never.

[Voltsky]

induction coils in the pipe panacea from svu !!! All barmalei diverge, all your attempts are now useless, not some shielded cables will not save you, diverge ... because Lopatov pointed to the ultimate superiority :))))

whi ... isn’t it funny yourself? :) it can be used against professional equipment somehow on a radio control, or against automated systems of the old generation :)
Bikford cord + shielded cable and your phasatrons go through the forest :)

hmm ... here I thought, probably it’s not worth continuing: / Believe me, they will not help, because I’m not quite sure that I can write why they will not help.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Voletsky

induction coils in the pipe panacea from svu !!!

As Israeli practice shows, sappers are the only panacea for IEDs. Because from 1600 kg in TNT equivalent no "enhanced mine action" saves

[Voltsky]

Quote: Spade

the only panacea for IEDs is

ZRP-2 "Trail"

Quote: Spade

As Israeli practice shows

their practice is to drive chocks on Lebanese hills, even if they are engaged in this.

and mine protection as a contraceptive, it’s better yes, but it’s not useful than a turn.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Voletsky

ZRP-2 "Trail"

8))))
For single track tanks?
However, they are also used by sappers.

[Voltsky]

Well, maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t see anything safer in a dense building than "ZRP-2" and the launch of several cables.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Voletsky

Well, maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t see anything safer in a dense building than "ZRP-2" and the launch of several cables.

Detection, jamming / destruction of a wire line, robot, overhead charge.

"Trail" is for the infantry.
"The extended demining charge ZRP-2" Tropa "is intended for making narrow passages (about 40 cm) in antipersonnel minefields in an explosive manner.
http://saper.isnet.ru/mines-4/zrp.html

[Voltsky]

here it adds up wonderfully.

UR-77 "Meteorite" - Soviet self-propelled rocket mine clearance. Created on the basis of self-propelled howitzer 2C1 "Carnation". Serially produced since 1978 instead of UR-67 [1].

UR-77 is able to make moves in anti-tank minefields during the battle. The width of the passage is about 6 meters, and the length is from 80 to 90

[Lopatov]

Quote: Voletsky

here it adds up wonderfully.

UR-77 and ZRP-2 are two different things.

[Voltsky]

from the phone it is not convenient in several pages, but in my head the name "serpent gorynych" was strongly deposited, so I confused it.

[Rome]

Well, you suffered! Kaplan as a modern ST in all respects inferior to modern tanks! He has a weak gun, this caliber on the main tanks was replaced back in 80 years! It was even weak against export T72, but against T90, Abrams, etc. forehead is just useless! archaic drum loading system, of course I can be wrong, but something seems to me that from AMX105 is not much different, the development of the last century! And the armor is definitely inferior to the T55 in terms of armor resistance, all hope for active interference and dynamic protection, but it does not even protect against shells from the T55, but the T55 with some refinement will withstand a 105mm hit!
Both cars on the modern battlefield are equivalent, Kaplan has fire superiority, but so-so, and the T55 is significantly better protection!
Between these machines is just a tank era! ...

[Voltsky]

And the t-55 has more hp, and in general it has more advantages on the d-dust map :) After all, the tanks were created to fight the tanks :))))

And the fact that they are usually disposed of by birds and svu, so here yes :) it will be better to feel yourself on the T-55 mine, because there is more and a first-aid kit, but the kaplan on the bird will get better because although there is a system of passive interference from birth, but hp less :)

[Lopatov]

Quote: Voletsky

After all, tanks were created to fight tanks :))))

Of course not. This is prohibited by the Geneva Agreements and is treated as a war crime.

Therefore, "Kaplan" is completely safe .... But bad luck, firing a 30-mm cannon is not considered a war crime. Therefore, Kaplan's safety is relative.

[Rome]

Kaplan think is Turkish Bachat? And able to shine and twist strands?
Something I think not!

And about the fact that the tanks do not fight tanks, the Turks themselves called him his tank, only they gave the gun outdated for this.

As a means of fire support, I think the machine will have norms, only the Turks even have Leopards on this job, which need to be targeted, what will happen with this cardboard?
Karoch, the claws of these deer are still crooked, and the tank itself is far from an imba!

[Voltsky]

Quote: Eroma

Kaplan think is Turkish Bachat? And able to shine and twist strands?
Something I think not!

here is another lover of tanks, and the adherent of the sect has no tax in the world :)

Yes, yes, your best T-55 in everything, and over time, the hulls do not age, and the potential for modernization is bottomless; and they burned from the 51st Shermans because the Arabs were exclusively deer :) and 200mm armor from RPG-7 saves you :)))

[Rome]

It’s interesting to talk with another tank lover!
Until the 60s, there were no effective means against the T55 in the world, 90mm guns were weak, bazookas and other grenade launchers did not pierce his forehead! Only 120mm heavy guns were fit against the T55! But it was not possible to do a lot of them, and the T55 was a cut above everything else that resisted it and was technologically advanced for the thousandth series!
The L7 gun appeared as a means of combating precisely the T55.
And what is outstanding for our time Kaplan possesses? Against the backdrop of modern times? In addition to the credible appearance, there is nothing!

Even if we put the ST into account, then taking the modernization projects as the basis and gash the NEW tank, we get: a 125mm gun from the main tank with the AZ, with the chassis also from the T72 if (only 5 rollers!) With a modern CIUS (no worse than Kaplan), the engine 840 horses, with good armor almost in a circle to withstand any non-PT ammunition (30-40mm). And DZ and active armor against ATGM.
Such a CT is inferior to the T90 only in armor resistance is cooler than Kaplan. And I note that there is no need to invent anything new, only everything ready to be assembled in one adapted case

[Voltsky]

Quote: Eroma

And what is outstanding for our time Kaplan possesses? Against the backdrop of modern times? In addition to the credible appearance, there is nothing!

1. The production line, modern technology, and the ability to transfer them along with the purchase of this unit. (I don't like the way he looks)

And which of the advantages does the T-55 have ?! numerous deposits of this miracle at various landfills ... A decent device for Eritrea, and a non-merchandise junk for people with money.

ps
I see no reason to discuss this nonsense further, these are cars of different eras; and both are debatable ...
the t-55 has a minus in optics and stabilization (at one time), about Kaplan in general xs, but I'm not sure that it is better than the Chinese t-15 or whatever it is (which is based on the t-55 or t-62)

[Rome]

The fact of the matter is that this is just a commercial project, moderately successful, because like there is a buyer. Well done Turks, raised the loot, and promoted. For beginners, this is probably a modern technology from which you can fashion something more useful. Some earned money, other skills and knowledge gained. Actually the whole Kaplan, it has no relation to efficiency on the battlefield

[Voltsky]

Quote: Eroma

Actually the whole Kaplan, it has no relation to efficiency on the battlefield

and this is how to look, the weight is not very large simplifies the transfer by air / by sea. If you have a country with frankly weak soils, or an island state, or you plan to use it in the 2 above situations; then maybe not everything is so bad ... Although here I would look towards Russian octopuses (to which I would also add something)

[MSN]

A 90 mm cannon pierced the T-55 in the forehead with a caliber projectile at a direct range, and cumulative at all combat distances. If you want documentary evidence, see the tender results in Yugoslavia. 84 pounds of English was even more powerful. You would read literature, very useful.

[Rome]

Confidently pierced, at a distance of up to 700m, and a 100mm T55 gun hit NATO tanks in the 50s from a distance of more than km! Cumulative projectiles capable of penetrating appeared by the age of 60, or in the 60s! ... and even that, any obstacle and everything, because 250mm armor penetration as I remember, for low-impact guns, where the cumulum is the main ammunition, as gun power is weak. When the armor of the tower is 220mm, a bag of sand and all, the tank is not vulnerable! ...

Not for nothing that they created a 105mm gun in NATO, they would have fought with 90mm guns if it fought well with Soviet tanks! And Centurion’s armor was increased from 152 mm in the tower to 250 mm, if memory serves

[MSN]

You can find the exact date of adoption of the feathered cumulative M348 (T108E40), but in 54 it was already the main one in the BC 90 mm T49 gun. This can also be called by the 60s, only a little earlier. A little earlier than the T-55 appeared., More precisely. As for the T-55 shells, the situation is deplorable. There was nothing but a chamber armor-piercing one. Just before the 70s. And from 500 meters onwards the T-55 did not penetrate the M-48. No way. Nothing.
But the L7 was created by the British, they were not interested in looking at American crafts. And when the 105 L7 blossomed, the British moved on. At 120. They are interesting, British.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: ABM

for 1945 - a great tank, by the way. Surpasses even the T-54, probably

Turkey in the Middle East now seems to be playing the role of Germany in Europe of the 30-40s, releases Kaplan (tour. - “Tiger”) and is also invaded by the Americans, who, if there is an opportunity, will pit her off with Iran and treat her the same way she did in due time with Germany in the years 1943-1945. And unexpectedly the first samples from the ATGM Cornet.

The first samples of the Kaplan tank are additionally equipped with anti-tank systems "Cornet". At the same time, Roketsan has already announced that a new Turkish OMTAS ATGM has been tested at Kaplan, and it is planned to use these missile systems in new combat vehicles in the future.
Kaplan (tour. - "Tiger") - a classic representative of modern medium tanks.

https://warspot.ru/16885-turetskiy-tigr-poshyol-v-seriyu

[smaug78]

And you, of course, can correctly substantiate your statement?

[Sky strike fighter]

Turkey in the role of Germany, Iran in the role of the USSR, Syria in the role of Poland. It seems. Or do you have a different point of view? The Americans will try to push Turkey and Iran. Turkey will have to do dirty work. Is there another question? Germany did not succeed in defeating the USSR. As a result, Germany was divided into zones of occupation as a country that lost the war.

[Machito]

Turkey in the role of Germany? Complete nonsense. Drink a vitamin, let it go.

[cost]

Tank Kaplan MT (Turkey):

Type Armored fighting vehicle, Medium Tank/Light Tank
Place of origin Turkey & Indonesia
production history
Designer FNSS
PT PINDAD
Designed 2015
Produced 2017-present
no. built 2 (Prototype)+ 1 test hull
Specifications
Mass 32-35 tons
Length 6.952 m (22.8 ft) hull, 9.105 m (29.9 ft) including the gun
Width 3.360 m (11 ft)
Height 2.456 m (8.06 ft) turret top
Crew 3 (commander, gunner, driver)
Armor STANAG 4569 level 4[1] Ballistic Hull
STANAG 4569 Level 5 Modular Add-on Armor
V-hull underbelly
Hair
Armament
Cockerill 105mm rifled gun
Secondary
Armament
7.62mm coaxial machine gun
Engine Caterpillar C13 Diesel Engine
711 hp
Power/weight 22.2 hp/t
Transmission Allison/Caterpillar X300 full automatic
Suspension Torsion Bar Suspension
Speed ​​70 km/h (governed), 78 km/h (tested road speed)
I apologize for the text in English - data taken from Turkish sources. Specialists will understand everything.
There was a good article about him at VO: https://topwar.ru/115301-sredniy-tank-kaplan-mt-turciya-indoneziya.html

[Catfish]

On the armor - FIG. And for the training of crews - generally nafig. It would be something to talk about.

[Yrec]

The "medium tank" concept is now very controversial. Tank is a combination of defense / firepower / mobility. For ST, the first disappears, the second is also so-so (as applied to Kaplan), it will definitely not work against MBT. Along the way, an analogue of the Chinese "mountain tank".

[Lopatov]

Quote: Yrec

The concept of a "medium tank" is now very controversial

It depends where ... For Indonesia, that’s it.

[Grits]

I see there is a tendency in the world to return to the gradation of tanks and the appearance of at least a light tank. And then there's the middle one. MBT as a station wagon is no longer satisfied? It is very possible. Since universality is not always a panacea, specificity is also needed. The same Chinese "mountain tank" for operations in the highlands, where the enemy will not crawl. Or the Indonesia you mentioned. With its own peculiar landscape, where the classic MBT is redundant in swamps and jungles. And our Sprut-SD is also original - it knows how to swim and fly. Therefore, it appears where the enemy MBT may not be.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Gritsa

With its own peculiar landscape, where in the swamps and jungles the classic MBT is redundant.

Nevertheless, Indonesia began precisely with them. Purchased from the Germans and upgrades

[MSN]

MBT becomes heavier than heavy tanks. Outrageous price. People want something simpler.

[knn54]

105 mm rifled gun will allow to fight only with outdated types of tanks that are available as the neighbors of Turkey. So the neighbors of Indonesia. The Philippines and Bangladesh showed interest.
Tank for local conflicts. In my opinion. This is a light fighter (as I said above) of obsolete models of armored vehicles.

[Lopatov]

Quote: knn54

like the neighbors of Turkey

Controversial.
Turkey has no such neighbors.

Quote: knn54

In my opinion, this is a light fighter (as I said above) of obsolete models of armored vehicles.

This seems to be a necessary measure. And Turkey thus seized the contract from the Germans

[cost]

Lopatov (Lopatov): And Turkey thus took away the contract from the Germans

Yes, the campaign is not only a contract, but also the name of the tank After all, Kaplan in translation from Turkish is a tiger

[Lopatov]

Quote: Rich

Yes, the campaign is not only a contract

Only.
Turkey does not really need them.
However, against the background of German (and South Korean) machines developed for Indonesia, but not for their army, the Turkish version looked preferable.

Although, in theory, the option with the German was more adequate, they still bought the "Marders"

[Zeev Zeev]

The 105mm cannon can actually use ATGMs. And no one bothers to hang the same "Spike" or "Javelin" on a "medium" tank.

[missuris]

Is 33 tons exactly average? and 41-46 tons t-72 and t-90 which tank is this ?, the main one is written, but how is it? between an average of 33 tons and a heavy one of 55-70 tons? and then what light tank? nevertheless, for modern 33 tons it is closer to light, just at 20-25 tons the "tank" will have anti-automatic armor)

[Lopatov]

Quote: missuris

Is 33 tons exactly average?

Exactly.
Not easy, because Indonesian lungs weigh 8-18 tons.
And not MBT. Which weigh 55-60 tons

Means average.

[Ovrag]

Of course controversial. It’s much more fun to drive 50+ ton cars across the islands. Immediately visible iksperta.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Ovrag

It’s much more fun to drive 50+ ton cars across the islands. Immediately visible iksperta.

Indonesia now has such machines.
As far as I understand, in the end they should be under a hundred.

[5-9]

The concept of a "medium tank" did not justify itself even more than half a century ago, if the AMX-30 (and Leo-1, but in theory) are considered for them in the wars on the BV. It turned out that the mobility did not compensate for the cardboard armor.

[roofing hedgehog]

and if he gets into the butt 125 mm high? probably no armor-piercing doge needed.

[V.I.P.]

And what if a 120 mm high-explosive missile hits the anti-tank Sprut SD or the Nona-S self-propelled gun? Russia is full of vehicles with similar reservations ....

[Lopatov]

Quote: V.I.P.

Russia is full of equipment with the same reservation ....

We do not have a single tank "with the same booking"

[BREAKTHROUGH READY]

So here self-propelled guns, and not a tank, i.e. direct competitor of the “octopus” and “striker” with a gun.

[Lopatov]

Quote: READY FOR BREAKTHROUGH

So here are self-propelled guns, not a tank

It is a tank.
Because both "Sprut" and "Nona" are in service with artillery units.

Quote: READY FOR BREAKTHROUGH

and “striker” with a gun

Not a competitor. Will not drive on public roads. "Hercules" will not be lucky. That is, it is not mobile enough to replace the BMTV M1128

[BREAKTHROUGH READY]

It is a tank.

Turks themselves do not think so: "according to the official classification ... will be considered a" tracked anti-tank vehicle "" - i.e. actually a self-propelled anti-tank gun, like an octopus.

"Octopus" ... are in service with artillery units.

How is it? The state should be with the anti-tankers. While the cat wept, I won’t be surprised if they were brought into self-propelled divisions to simplify management, but this is a temporary solution.

not mobile enough to replace the BMTV M1128

he should not replace it according to the TK, since the Turks have neither "wheeled brigades" nor the need for air transport, but it is precisely the tactical role of machines that are similar, therefore, they can be compared.

[Lopatov]

Quote: READY FOR BREAKTHROUGH

those. actually a self-propelled anti-tank gun, like an octopus.

"actually" if it goes into anti-tank batteries. Like "Octopus"

Quote: READY FOR BREAKTHROUGH

How is it? The state should be anti-tankers.

Well...
And who are the anti-tankers?
That's right, gunners. From the level of the anti-tank battery of the shelf and above.

[V.I.P.]

Octopus is positioned as an anti-tank gun for the Airborne. His task is to lead an anti-tank duel. ))))) Although with Kaim it is he who can lead the question with the tank)) .. So that is ... Fortunately, the PT-76 was removed from service ....

[Lopatov]

Quote: V.I.P.

Octopus positioned as anti-tank gun for airborne

No. It is positioned as self-propelled guns for anti-tank units of the Airborne Forces.
And the fight against tanks is important, but not the only task of anti-tank units

[BREAKTHROUGH READY]

“Nona” and “Vienna” are second-line sau and are intended for firing from closed positions, without being exposed to attack.
“Octopus” - did not receive wide distribution in the domestic army, as well as in general, its prospects are rather vague.

[roofing hedgehog]

it was about a Turkish-made tank, and not about support technique .. all the more so, "octopus" does not go into the attack like "nona" or "vein"

[Operator]

Turkish armored vehicles: "Kaplvn", "Katz", "Cohen", then everywhere

[Pereira]

I didn’t think that Fanny is popular in Turkey.

[Operator]

Tank "Kaplan" - hits only point blank

[Aleksandr1971]

Probably the Turks really named the tank in honor of the unsuccessful Social Revolutionary. A joke, of course. Peace be upon her ......

[7,62x54]

In any case, well done. The one who does nothing is not mistaken. Do not compare with our perfectionist-procrastinators who carry armature from year to year in parades.

[ximkim]

A terrible tank .. Probably in such a tank it’s scary to go out into the field and into the city ..

[Free wind]

On the lights on the left side of the money clamped. Well done and done, we also have a BMP with a big gun. And then the tank, all kinds of armor are more serious.

[smaug78]

Quote: roofing hedgehog

and if he gets into the butt 125 mm high? probably no armor-piercing doge needed.

Any modern tank, which is in service, after falling off the OFS 125-mm armor-piercing is not needed ...

[Essex62]

Why? Can you justify?

[donavi49]

Well, if you look at Syria, then at least an empty tank is not fighting.

Plus, again - as it arrives. Surveillance devices, structural strength of the gun. Again, shell shock. You can also add the flow of the shock wave, because as practice shows, no one likes to close hatches.

[Lopatov]

Quote: donavi49

Surveillance devices, structural strength of the gun.

Controversial.
As far as I heard, measures to reduce damage from high-explosive fragmentation and high-explosive shells were still used.
Because it makes no sense to protect the tank from a cumulative projectile. if it is incapacitated by its fragments or shock wave / blisant action.

http://btvt.info/5library/vbtt_1987_04_oskolki.htm

[Essex62]

That is what I had in mind when asking the question. The point is in the bells and whistles of DZ and KAZ, if the tank is simply destroyed by a landmine. Although this Turkish canned food is enough for the eyes.

[Voltsky]

I see no one reason why Prince Mohammed should have agreed with Trump; he cannot provide the necessary support, nor can he or will he want to put pressure on the rivals of the kingdom at the required level.
And the most important thing is to threaten, at the right level he cannot either, because the Saudis are reinsured during the time by everyone who needs to annoy the SGA, including the Russian Federation.

[orionvitt]

What an ugliness. Look at the old Soviet and current Russian tanks and planes. Beauty, even outwardly.

[Oquzyurd]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrve8koyyRY Красивый танк,удобный,современный.Маневренный,с пушкой с очень хорошими характеристиками и.т.д.

[Oquzyurd]

Technical properties

General information
Diesel engine
Crew capacity 3 (including driver, gunner and commander)
Transmission fully automatic 7 forward 1 reverse
 

Movement Ability
The maximum speed of the road is 70 km / h
Refueling 450 km
Maximum slope 60%
Maximum lateral slope 30%
Vertical obstacle crossing 0,90 m
Trench passage 2.00 m
Rotate Turn Radius
Working conditions -320С / + 550С
 

Weapon systems
CMI Cockerill® 3105 Primary Weapon
Secondary weapon 7,62 mm Coaxial machine gun
 

Equipment
360 degree situational awareness
Wireless Intercom System
Navigation system
External power supply
Indoor and outdoor lighting system
Battlefield Management System (MYS)
Laser Warning System (LİS)
 

Security systems
Ballistic protection (hull + additional armor)
Mine Protection (Mine Protection)
KBRN Security System
Air conditioning system
Automatic fire extinguishing system
Mist solutions

[Arthur 85]

It would be interesting to see the performance characteristics, but overall the impression is strange. Like, a staged car on the way to its own tank building?

[L-39NG]

Whose way? Turkish or Indonesian? What do you say about the Turkish Altay tank? Although there maybe South Korea helped with its ideas.

[5-9]

So they are completely imagining the Altai MBT by spoiling the Korean K2 sawing which year ... well ... trying to gash.

[Oquzyurd]

In addition to the Kaplan tank, the Turks have another option, the Tulpar medium tank, from Otokar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKWWHZ7xEmE
They quickly learn how to make tanks and other equipment. As private companies, they try to earn money, and all this ultimately leads to the creation of competitive products. Otherwise, bankrupt.

[Storekeeper]

Quote: Voletsky

Quote: RVAPatriot

And you put on 54 similar optics, etc. .... And what will happen ???

replace, engine, optics, suo, etc. etc. and see what happens? :)

There will be a T-90 "Breakthrough"

[Pavel57]

Octopus concept.

[Grits]

Quote: Pavel57

Octopus concept.

Not at all. The octopus was originally created as a support on the battlefield for the airborne assault when it encounters serious armored vehicles .. Therefore, it can land. He can swim. And they proceeded precisely from this "concept". It is unclear what the Turks were coming from.

[Pavel57]

As far as I remember, Spruce grew out of the concept of a light tank, which the military did not really need. Therefore, he occupied the niche of self-propelled guns in the Airborne Forces.

[Grits]

Quote: Pavel57

As far as I remember, Spruce grew out of the concept of a light tank, which the military did not really need. Therefore, he occupied the niche of self-propelled guns in the Airborne Forces.

conversely

[Mavrikiy]

The gun is equipped with a drum-type automatic loader

That's the sweetie.

Kaplan MT Medium Tank (Turkey / Indonesia) VO May 11, 2017

It is envisaged to use its own reservation of the building (apparently with homogeneous protection), able to withstand shelling of a frontal projection from small-caliber guns. On top of the body armor, it is proposed to install additional mounted modules that increase the resistance to shells and cumulative ammunition.

Well then for sure, the tank is medium!

[Aleksandr1971]

The strange thing is that the Turks made such a tank when they got a relatively good Altai tank.
I suppose "Kaplan" was created for battles with gangs. Such battles are more likely than clashes with other modern armies.

[5-9]

Stupid weighty ... 105-mm anti-tank is almost useless, high-impact is also not very ... does he even swim? Although why sailing to the Turks? Or why do they need mobility due to cardboard armor?
Why do we need Octopus-SD, at least it’s clear, but you can also argue ....

[smaug78]

Quote: Essex62

Although this Turkish canned food is enough for the eyes.

Like any tank.

[iouris]

Kaplan. Someone very familiar. Or a friend ....

[Legion10588]

no matter how much Rusnya emits hydrogen sulfide, Syria will receive taxes with renewed vigor))))