Shoigu spoke about the attempts of the Russian opposition to infiltrate military facilities

The head of the Russian military department, Sergei Shoigu, speaking at the Federation Council, spoke about the attempts of the Russian "pro-Western" opposition to penetrate Russian military facilities, as well as the dissemination of "fake" information.

According to the Minister of Defense, Western politicians and the media constantly make resonant accusations against Russia, such as interference in the US election, hacker attacks, concealment of military losses, while at the same time directly interfering in the internal affairs of the Russian state. Basically, Shoigu noted, this is done by the hands of the Russian opposition, which exists with Western funds.

Shoigu told senators that Western opposition is being picked up by the Russian opposition, which is constantly receiving funds from its Western "employers" and is regularly trained abroad.

Hiding behind media laws, pro-Western activists try to infiltrate military installations and hunt for relatives and witnesses. They climb into the hospitals where our wounded lie, in cemeteries, in commemoration, in the families of our dead children. They remove the entrances and exits from our closed facilities and upload them to the Internet. One can imagine what responsibility they would be brought to in Western countries.

- declared Shoigu.

The Minister of Defense drew attention to the fact that Russian legislation in this area is not regulated, which does not allow criminal prosecution of these "activists", and urged senators to pay attention to this issue.

Comments

[cniza]

One can imagine what responsibility they would be brought to in Western countries.

I understand everything, but maybe it's time to stop talking.

[Thrall]

The Minister of Defense drew attention to the fact that Russian legislation in this area is not regulated, which does not allow bringing these "activists" to criminal liability

You can start with administrative. There is clearly an analogue of our article in Russia

[Shurik70]

Yes, some kind of "opposition".
The opposition criticizes the mistakes of power and offers alternative solutions. For the good of the country.
And if he pours der'ma, criticizes everything, fills his pockets from foreign "investors", spies directly, and offers "to sell everything, and money to us" - this is not opposition. This is the fifth column.
There is no opposition in Russia.

[cniza]

This is not the opposition, it is an unprincipled paid jackal that has neither a homeland nor honor ...

[Mestny]

Well, why?
They pour into their ears from the whole Internet that this is a state of oligarchs, the poor people (they) only suffer, and everything that is done in the state is strictly against them.
They are assured that honor and conscience are precisely the ability to harm "this power."
Do you think that such brainwashing does not work at all?

[cniza]

There is such a percentage of people, but it is insignificant in comparison with those who feed on it.

[Malyuta]

Quote: Mestny

They are assured that honor and conscience are precisely the ability to harm "this power."

And where does this power come from honor and conscience? if only from dampness.

[bulvas]

Quote: Malyuta

And where does this power come from honor and conscience? if only from dampness.

those. do you think power is bad and opposition is good?

the opposition has good faces, a warm heart and clean hands
and yes, honor and conscience

do you want to say that?


but for me, this opposition should be prosecuted for treason and espionage, and those "opposition organizations" that have appeared on this should be declared undesirable and closed.

Let them engage in politics - this is the business of the opposition.

Poked in the military or on the objects - to the answer!

[akshor]

I personally want to say on my own that the government has not gone far from those with whom it scares. solid citizens of hostile countries, saw cutters, boyars.

[tatarin1972]

I think that this is not the opposition, but a clear enemy, which needs to be exposed and punished according to the Criminal Code.

[not main]

Quote: tatarin1972

I think that this is not the opposition, but a clear enemy, which needs to be exposed and punished according to the Criminal Code.

To do this, it is desirable to revive SMERSH. Maybe under the new abbreviation.

[tatarin1972]

Death is just an abbreviation of the military counterintelligence of the Great Patriotic War, is there really no military counterintelligence now? Another thing is that the CPC has become toothless in a number of articles that relate to treason.

[dauria]

Poked in the military or on the objects - to the answer!

The military have UG and KS. Quite enough for a secure facility. If Shoigu had served in the army, he would have known about this. If his subordinates are chatting, these are the commanders' problems. And it is not his business to deal with "writers from the opposition." Moreover, to give advice to the legislature.

[K-612-O]

Read the law on mass media for a start, according to it you can climb into any sensitive facility, and if you shoot so the commander and the guard do not get washed, they will also put him for murder.

[dauria]

the commander and the guard will not wash off, they will also put him for murder.

You also did not serve in the army, like Shoigu? UGiKS - the same law. No worse than the constitution. And by this law must open fire after a boring mandatory procedure. Read from memory, or do you find yourself? It was instructed that you choose which is worse - to slap this stupid moron according to the law, or run into troubles with the bosses.
You choose the second, as usual. Those who served understand perfectly well. And this choice comes between the words "Stop, back" and "Stop, I will shoot." After these words, there is no right to let him go. Either with his muzzle into the mud and into the guardhouse, or into the next world, even if he started to run. Do not forget to just shoot into the air.

[Aleksandr1971]

The law on mass media needs to be amended in terms of all objects with a state secret regime. This applies not only to military units, but also to the organs of the IC, the prosecutor's office, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Emergencies, the FSB, the Foreign Intelligence Service, the Office of Special Programs, and civilian authorities, where there is state secret.

[not main]

Quote: dauria

The military has UG and KS.

And these actions fall under the UVS! And what will you shoot? And under UG and KS they will NEVER climb!

[dauria]

And what will you shoot?

Look at the UVS, part one, chapter one. Paragraph 13. Weapons are used not only on guard, and not only sentries.
Nobody will shoot an activist idiot on the territory of a military unit if he is not very violent. But you can easily bruise and lock in the basement before the arrival of the police without fear of any lawyers. Moreover, the commander must do this. According to the same UVS. The commander has too many responsibilities recorded there, but there are considerable rights. Up to weapons. Personal, or your subordinates.
If the activist does not know this, his problems. Ignorance of the laws does not exempt from liability. Previously, there were no such idiots - everyone served in the army, they understood everything perfectly.

[not main]

Quote: dauria

dauria (Alexey)

And where did you read it in the UVS? I can tell you about bruises and more ... but learn the Charter!

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: non-primary

Quote: dauria

dauria (Alexey)

And where did you read it in the UVS? I can tell you about bruises and more ... but learn the Charter!

ANY military unit is a sensitive facility. And on it, as a rule, there is a checkpoint. No one will let the opposition activist enter the territory. An attempt to break through the force for the guard is equal to allowing any force to be used to kill.

And it is written, by the way, not in the UVS. I did not read the new "Charter of the Garrison and Guard Service of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation", but in the Soviet everything was written clearly

162. A distributor has the right to use weapons personally and by the composition of the shift of guards to repel an attack on a sentry, guarded object [...]

169. The sentry is an inviolable person. Sentinel immunity is:
[...]
- in granting him the right to use weapons in the cases specified in this Charter.

175. The sentry is obliged to use weapons without warning in the event of a clear attack on him or on an object protected by him.

177. [...]
If the intruder does not stop and tries to penetrate the guarded object (at the post) or, after such an attempt, takes flight, the sentry fires a warning shot up. If the violator does not comply with this requirement, the sentry shall use weapons against him.

In my opinion, for any oppositionist more than enough.
Who should learn the charter?
I didn’t have much time to learn on the emergency Charters, but in the training sergeants charmed the charters ...

[Ka-52]

The military has UG and KS. It is enough for a sensitive object. If Shoigu served in the army, he would know about it

Well, if you knew the UG and KS themselves, you would also know that the concept of "protected object" includes only a certain territory / water area. That is, of course, you may be detained for video / photography outside this territory, but they will not be able to present anything in essence. And even more so, no one can present medical institutions or at the funeral of dead servicemen for attempts to enter.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: dauria

If his subordinates tremble - these are the problems of the commanders

We have a company for a photograph on the background of the arms room lit up the film and promised the next time to break the camera.
Then we did not understand what was happening to him? Years passed, I began to think the same.

[stalker 75]

start attracting then from the Kremlin! Well, the first king on the chopping block!

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

By the way, for that matter, there are a lot of such people on this forum. In general, I was very surprised when such a large amount of frankly palitic materials was posted on a resource devoted to armaments and military topics in general. What for? For what purpose? And for that matter, many of them are of purely oppositional nature with open anti-state propaganda. No need to go far.

[Tank jacket]

Because the war is waged by all available methods

I give you a "bad" in the discipline of the "cold war".

[K-612-O]

Your truth, especially over the past 2-3 years, the volume and focus on the destruction of state institutions has greatly increased. Everything is stronger from the position of emo-communists and the sect of witnesses of developed socialism.

[nickname7]

the volume and focus on the destruction of state institutions has greatly increased. Everything is stronger from the position of emo-communists and the sect of witnesses of developed socialism.

Yes, really, is socialism threatening you all?

[Revival]

Anti-state or anti-government?

[Evdokim]

Quote: Shurik70

But what kind of "opposition" is this /.../ There is no opposition in Russia.

These are foreign agents. And agents must be dealt with according to their status. For me, right away, but you can certainly fine them like sticky, so that you don’t have the last pants, and go to a resort with a pleasant northern climate, which has philosophical thoughts.

[Astra wild]

Shurik colleague, you are absolutely right: OTHERWISE, when dogs look for something to complain about, but they don’t offer anything concrete. They are still like patriotism, and what for if patriotism if they get paid for it?
There are a lot of similar ones, and even on our site there may be

[Igor Aviator]

All you need to do is apply special methods to this "riffraff" during the arrest, as to those who resisted. A couple - three of the opposition mugs smeared in snot, I think, will beat back the hunt for provocations. And, since the case concerns secret defense facilities, ONLY the military prosecutor's office should deal with this. And that's it! A step aside, a word across - and a VERY real time. Lawyers (corrupt or not - it doesn't matter) are not allowed to shoot a cannon because of the secrecy stamp. Two or three such cases, and the MO will be immune from liberda!

[Peter is not the first]

Now the phrase: non-systemic opposition means - a traitor.

[Jager]

And where does it come from if we sailed for 30 years of managing the same person?
It is not opposition that is absent, but the system itself, under which it can arise. And this is bad because the system begins to believe in its own infallibility. What this led to - read the history textbook. The country needs a healthy opposition. Not the "fifth column" and not the clown puppets lured by the power itself, but a normal counterweight.
As for "photographing entrances and exits" - show Kuzhugetovich GoogleMaps with the location of military facilities and he will be completely upset.

[x.andvlad]

Well, with cemeteries and wakes, it's hard to do anything. Everything is open and regulated by relatives. But any military and sensitive facilities are prohibited (or restricted) for visiting and filming. In the legislation, everything is probably spelled out. Including military hospitals.
As far as I know, all information regarding the contingent of admitted and discharged from a military hospital is closed. Here, apparently, there is always a problem with the control of these bans on the ground. And control should be tight, and arrests of violators should be indicative.

[Piramidon]

Quote: x.andvlad

Well, with cemeteries and wakes, it's hard to do anything.

Simply, without any regard for the laws, relatives are quite capable of knocking these "videographers" on a pumpkin.

[nPuBaTuP]

relatives are quite capable of knocking these "videographers" on the pumpkin.

So these "videographers" first of all will run to complain to the police .... and if they are sent there they will raise a stench all over the world .... something like that ...

[evgen1221]

Well, let them raise it, if in Russian they cannot read the plate about the prohibition of filming and the consequences in the law. Introduce really draconian fines about such actions, and then it is up to them to disregard and rake for it. Will subside after the first 2-3 cases of punishment.

[nPuBaTuP]

they cannot read the plate on the prohibition of filming and the consequences in the law

Are we talking about "cemeteries and commemorations" now or not?

[evgen1221]

No, about the complaints of these operators to the police and sportlotto about having their faces filled, and then they were fined in full for reading the regime and lack of literacy to read the plate on the prohibition of filming.

[Fat]

Quote: evgen1221

Introduce really draconian fines about such actions, and then it is up to them to disregard and rake for it. Will subside after the first 2-3 cases of punishment.

There are much more "interesting" penalties in the administrative code. Penalties are the mildest punishment, no matter how draconian they are made, the "comrades in the fight" will provide help.

[evgen1221]

Well, suppose that they took one of these offspring (immediately, later on IP is not the point), What comrades will he support except the oranges in the hospital? Provided that he was punished for this type of business (excuses that the plate weighs at the entrance to the object and I’m running a mile from I’m too lazy to go reading and asking here it doesn’t work, but I’m pushing it away and spying on the zoom can be smacked in. They will complain about Europe, they’ll sing there, when the USSR went to 20x, they got used to it and realized that everything was within rules and for every fool didn’t harness e. In general, they passed in. Here the main desire is to discourage a systematic approach.

[K-612-O]

Alas, it is not spelled out, only in the charter and internal instructions. And the military is often not willing to get under the admin and criminal prosecution by this opposition.

[knn54]

... Russian liberalism is not an attack on the existing order of things, but an attack on the very essence of our things, on things themselves, and not on order alone, not on Russian orders, but on Russia itself. My liberal has gone so far as to deny Russia itself, that is, he hates and beats his mother. Every unfortunate and unsuccessful Russian fact excites laughter and almost delight in him. He hates folk customs, Russian history, everything. If there is an excuse for him, it can only be that he does not understand what he is doing, and takes his hatred of Russia for the most fruitful liberalism ...
There can be no such liberal anywhere who hates his own country. How can we explain all this with us? Thus, as before, the fact that the Russian liberal is for the time being not a Russian liberal; nothing more, in my opinion.
Since the time of F.M. Dostoevsky, one thing has changed, now they are also the opposition. Well, first of all, grant-eaters.

[Procyon lotor]

Indeed, liberalism is evil, and Russian liberalism is generally from the devil. In this regard, I think that all liberal reforms should be reviewed, starting from the abolition of serfdom in 1861. The deep Russian people do not need liberalism and I hope that the amendments to the constitution create the prerequisites for this.

[nickname7]

it is necessary to review all liberal reforms, starting from the abolition of serfdom in 1861.

Do not distort, liberalism is a struggle for freedom, but liberalism does not mean betrayal, switching to the side of third countries. The person who opened the gates of the medieval city during the war and surrendered the city to the enemy is unacceptable to society. Society has the right to fight against such individuals.

[Procyon lotor]

This is how to say it. In this forum, liberals are primarily a non-systemic opposition, a fifth column or State Department agents in general.

[aybolyt678]

administrative liability is easily paid by fines. and they’ll print money ... A bulk example.

[nickname7]

How to deal with the fifth column?
Everything has already been invented before us, you can not reinvent the wheel, but turn to the appropriate legislation of the West, everything is very clearly thought out there.

[seti]

Quote: cniza

One can imagine what responsibility they would be brought to in Western countries.

I understand everything, but maybe it's time to stop talking.

If they stop lisping and send a freight train with the "best" people to the Kolyma, imagine what a howl will rise. And not only in the Western press but also in ours. Even here on the site. Although I'm all for it.

[cniza]

So what ? so let them howl for health, howl and cease.

[Sky strike fighter]

Good news from Shoigu. Upgrade for serial production of Sarmat ICBMs completed.

“The Kinzhal high-precision hypersonic missile system is on experimental combat duty. Flight design tests of the Zircon rocket are underway. Since last year, the first Avangard missile regiment and Peresvet laser systems have taken up combat duty. The modernization for serial production of the Sarmat intercontinental missile system has been completed, ”Shoigu said.

https://m.tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/20203251113-LTCkS.html

[Honest Citizen]

Opposition opposition is strife. If such as Novodvorskaya, Alekseeva (both are already responsible for their affairs before the Lord), Borova, Gozman - this is one side of the matter. Here and espionage would not be attributed sour.
And if the opposition in the form of Platoshkin - by the way, it does not go anywhere, then this is a completely different opposition.
The former want to ruin the country, the latter want to strengthen it.

[Malyuta]

Quote: Honest Citizen

Honest Citizen (Sergey)

And what do you think, the summer residence of the Generalissimo Shaigu of the great commander is a secret object?

[Honest Citizen]

Quote: Malyuta

And what do you think, the summer residence of the Generalissimo Shaigu of the great commander is a secret object?

To be honest, I will say this: the fact that the object is closed is understandable, but at the expense of secrecy, I doubt it.

[Revival]

There is an opinion that such should be noted and awarded, for example, Alekseev

[tihonmarine]

Quote: seti

If they stop lisping and send a freight train with the "best" people to the Kolyma, imagine what a howl will rise.

And all slander Comrade Stalin. And he knew what and how to do with these throats.

[seti]

Quote: tihonmarine

And all slander Comrade Stalin. And he knew what and how to do with these throats.

Well, those times probably shouldn't be touched anymore - times have changed. And then, after all, a certain percentage of those who were sent there obviously did not suffer. But some valuable experience of those years would not hurt to take note.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: seti

Well, those times probably shouldn't be touched anymore - times have changed.

Times have changed, but spies, the fifth column, collaborators have not changed

, and have not disappeared, they live among us.

[for]

Quote: tihonmarine

And he knew what and how to do with these throats.

Only he, by comparison with the current authorities, was not a gorlopan.

[mikh-korsakov]

Seti. Why go straight to the Kolyma. I think there will be places closer to them. The "best people", for example, suffer from lack of warm toilets in schools, improper waste collection, and disorder in hospitals. Let them fix it. They build warm toilets, get on the conveyor belt of garbage factories, hospital attendants. As for the howling, I'm sure there will be a reboot very soon. It will be funny to watch the intrigues of Messrs. Venediktov and Navalny for the right to issue a "war leaflet" in the "Putinets" re-education camp. This has already happened. And it's time to put Western partners in their place. Small waving with a nuclear baton discipline the personnel.

[seti]

That's right - "to regret means not to regret" - so the unforgettable General Panfilov said.

[Piramidon]

Quote: seti

If they stop lisping and send a freight train with the "best" people to the Kolyma

That would be the best option. But, unfortunately, you are right, it will be a bargaining chip, in a deck of all kinds of Russophobes.

[Looking for]

The one who raises the howl. -Will go the second commodity. There will be no more howling, believe me.

[nickname7]

If they stop lisping and send a freight train with the "best" people to the Kolyma, imagine what a howl will rise.

This can be done, but not immediately, but gradually political need is needed, first you need the odious type of rector Hasanov, dismiss from all posts of the civil service, compromise some, and conduct propaganda in society.

but there is a problem

[rocket757]

As in the SA, comrade sergeant / foreman liked to talk ... he has STO ways to "teach" a negligent soldier and everything is according to the REGULATIONS !!!
Catch and ... by law, everyone who deserves what.

[mikh-korsakov]

The most common way. "Drilling exercises discipline personnel."

[rocket757]

The drill is of course, but there are nuances ....
And so a normal foreman will always have something to dig out / dig, and for very smart and iron there is one that needs to be taken out into the sun, ventilated, and then brought back.

[Svarog]

Shoigu spoke about the attempts of the Russian opposition to infiltrate military facilities

Those who infiltrate military installations are saboteurs, not the opposition ..

[YOUR]

Yes, somehow everything is blurry and without specifics, the escalation of some horrors. Where who, when trying to penetrate, where were the sentries. Why the charter of the guard service was not respected. A shot up and then fire to kill. And let them resent further. And it turns out not MO but some offended boy.

[Svarog]

Quote: YOUR

forcing some kind of horror

Yes, it was the escalation of horrors .. before voting on the Constitution, the opposition apparently decided to scare .. Soon there will be no freedom of speech or publicity .. etc. .. there will be a dictatorship of the capitalists .. but on the other, we are a step away from the feudal system ..

[YOUR]

Similar thoughts. See what happens if these .....
Oh come on. We will not die alive.

[Slavs]

Quote: Svarog

we are one step away from the feudal system ..

Legally - yes, but in fact on the ground - already.

[Vadim237]

And perfectly all jaundice and bloggers - dancers from the fly of an elephant shut up at last. The Internet will be cleaner.

[Svarog]

Quote: Vadim237

And perfectly all jaundice and bloggers - dancers from the fly of an elephant shut up at last. The Internet will be cleaner.

When they really start to shut up .. trust me and shut up .. Well, unless of course you are not their hired worker .. Did you kind of write that you have a business? So, if there is a dictatorship, then many will fall under this wave .. Business will begin to be squeezed, especially in times of crisis ..
When the dictatorship of the proletariat, it’s right because the proletariat is the majority, and when the dictatorship of bureaucratic capitalism .. it’s sad, because the consequences are unpredictable ..

[Fat]

Quote: Svarog

Soon there will be neither freedom of speech, nor publicity .. etc. .. there will be a dictatorship of the capitalists .. but on the other, we are a step away from the feudal system ..

Yes, yes, two steps from the slave, three from the primitive communal ...)))
And no capitalists with dictates ...

[reservist]

Quote: YOUR

Why the charter of the guard service was not respected. A shot up and then fire to kill.

Has the guard charter changed?
first - "Wait, who's going !!! ???"

[YOUR]

Oh! What's the point?
I remember the case was in those ancient times when the grass is greener and the sparrows chirped louder. SAM, as it were, we have a constant combat duty. In short, not far from the city, they stood 5 km, as the drunkard brought history back there, because he died without regaining consciousness. I managed to rush into the position at night. He climbed through the thorn and to the sentry. It is quite possible that he was just asking for the road, only he got the line in his stomach. The guy was first in the jail, during the investigation, then on vacation and was not seen again. transferred to another part.
Something pulled on the memories. Another case, but you can’t imagine this from the category on purpose. Hourly post for the protection of warehouses, including the stock of ammunition and weapons. Night, dark, wind, noise suddenly from around the corner the head appeared. So that no one speaks and the nerves are still at the limit. Well, everything is as it should be, all fishing has been said, a shot was fired into the air, but this bastard will still peek out from around the corner or hide and sounds strange. Apparently, the automatic machine set on a single fire. Well, on this reptile. the whole store. It turned out that some kind of round garbage came off the warehouse wall, in the dark did not understand how someone’s head. The guy got scared, then he was scared, but post the whole store in this round. The guy was lucky and took a picture in front of the Banner and went on vacation.
In short, the charter does not specify at what speed to speak and shoot

[reservist]

Well, we live already at a time when everyone has a mobile with a camera ...
in the last century, when he was in the army on an "excursion" (summer training), when we were on guard, our captain personally comes with the chief of the guard at night, checks the post and reports that in the neighboring unit the fighter either went AWOL, or completely "pulled" ... if the second, then maybe after all and for the weapon at the post "look" ... in the morning I hear that someone is walking in the fog, it turned out that the fighter was going to feed the pigs, but the guy immediately stopped and called himself, well and if I immediately started firing foolishly in the fog, and even suddenly and would hit ...

[YOUR]

Some nonsense in the pigsty goes through the post. Violation of the charter of the guard service.

[reservist]

not through the post, but along the road next to the post fence
at night in the fog it’s completely not clear whether it’s stomping past, or climbing into a protected area ...

[www3]

nothing is new under the moon))
damn .. well, what is the opposition doing there?
this nonsense begins to remind how once the chairman of the Belarusian KGB on TV stated that they neutralized the opposition, who, with the help of dead rats, wanted to poison the water supply before the elections))

[tihonmarine]

Quote: cniza

I understand everything, but maybe it's time to stop talking.

Right. As they say, "If there were a man, we will find an article."

[YOUR]

First you need to find an article. And then oh, well ... they transferred everything to offshore, oh, how I don’t like that Sechin receives 3 million a day. What has been done apart from the words?
With all my rejection of the United States, their laws are very tough and necessary for the country. Example: the situation with Tinkov. He was a US citizen, pay taxes, renounced citizenship, pay for profits. Wherever a US citizen earns pay in the treasury of the country. Progressive income tax and introduced it by the very moneybags who are in Congress.
And we have for complete withdrawal of money abroad. So they would shake the moneybags as articles are looking for those who rush with plastic glasses. And the words about progressive income tax are perceived as treason.

[Chaldon48]

Cniza, you can more precisely what you understand and with whom it is time to stop talking.

[Slavs]

Quote: Chaldon48

with whom it is time to stop talking.

With the political opposition sticking their nose at military installations.

[Thrifty]

More often it is necessary to apply the article "for espionage", and plant to the maximum, without amnesty! To conduct five of these processes live. And, the number of perplexities will decrease many times. You can and give a command to objects, on such creatures that climb where you can not work with weapons solely to kill!

[venik]

Quote: cniza

I understand everything, but maybe it's time to stop talking.

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Exactly! In the USA, the activities of non-profit public organizations funded from abroad are prohibited! Maybe it's time for us to "join"democratic values"most"a democratic"countries ??? It seems to me personally: It's time! Ripe! You can even go further" along the path of democracy ": Liberast-dermocrats, who" stick their nose "where they should not - for a" training camp "for 2 months, or in an aria - for 1 year! (And who has "flat feet" - in the construction battalion! He quickly cures "flat feet"!).

[cniza]

We just need to comply with existing laws.

[Gennady Korsunov]

And what do you say for those who open a monument to Solzhenitsyn or a manenheim board, who are they ??

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: cniza

One can imagine what responsibility they would be brought to in Western countries.

I understand everything, but maybe it's time to stop talking.

I even refuse to understand when photos of my classmates pop up on the internet: it's time to peel already and so that there is no doubt why

[4ekist]

There is criminal liability for unlawful entry into a protected object (closed territory), it makes sense to tighten it. He illegally penetrated and sat down for seven years.
And if spying is a spot.

[Bykov.]

Quote: cniza

One can imagine what responsibility they would be brought to in Western countries.

I understand everything, but maybe it's time to stop talking.

No, they’re just rushing into the army. We must catch them, shave and in the barracks.

[NEXUS]

One can imagine what responsibility they would be brought to in Western countries.

So long ago it is necessary to take these muskrats for testicles and send them to the Tundra, for about 150 years, to remove snow, all.

[Podvodnik]

I understand everything, but maybe it's time to stop talking.

The charter of the garrison and guard duty.
Do you want to penetrate? For God's sake.

Sentry for the successful fulfillment of the duties of an extraordinary vacation at home!
Wishing to eat? Welcome.
That’s the whole conversation.

[iouris]

Quote: cniza

it's time to stop talking

If the opposition has infiltrated the Moscow Region, then it's time.

[smart ass]

I agree with you completely, there is national security and it is a priority

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: cniza

I understand everything, but maybe it's time to stop talking.

You can stop hustling ... Only our opposition for the West is not "ideological brothers", as the opposition thinks of itself, but "ideological meat". The more Gozmans are put in here and the Amnuel is closed in a psychiatric hospital, the better for the West.
I can already hear Western cries about Russian "prisoners of conscience" and "punitive psychiatry."

It is possible and necessary to fight these "opposition activists". But it is also impossible to play into the hands of Western hunters. You need to work quietly, inconspicuously and efficiently - the KGB of the USSR is skillful. Not a show trial with media coverage and subsequent highs in the West, but a sincere conversation face to face with "an offer that cannot be refused" (c). I know a friend of my father's, a retired FSB lieutenant colonel - he told me something. This method works! And, by the way, our western "partners" succeeded in this.

[iouris]

Quote: Zoldat_A

The more Gozmans they put in us and the Amnuel are locked up in a psychiatric hospital, the better for the West.

When trying to penetrate the objects of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the sentry, having heard the barking of the guard dog, must shout: "Stop who is coming!" .... Well, and so on, I will not explain the well-known algorithm. If the "Charter of the Guard Service" does not work, then the opposition will soon take over the post of the RF Ministry of Defense. What Mr. Shoigu will do after that, science does not know. Perhaps a construction business.

[Shaska]

One can imagine what responsibility they would be brought to in Western countries ...


Yes, they would have killed ... Right on the spot.
And then they figured out .....

[Maalkavianin]

And what's the problem ? Judge them under the article "Espionage for the benefit of foreign states", and that's all.

[akshor]

The problem is that you need to find these opposition and prove their guilt. But with Zolotov crap came out, now it’s easier to fight an invisible enemy

[Maalkavianin]

This is not a problem. It’s just that we have an opposition and other pro-Westerners — untouchables. As you look, how the police carry them at rallies ... Like brides in the registry office, I love it.

[akshor]

So let them publish, since it’s not a problem. Well, assets, and so on, where is the power and close ones? In the West. Who needs to risk their new homeland? So that in the new house they will be sanctioned? Deripaska still smoothes out his guilt before the West. At least someone, by the way, has real estate from the authorities or close in China?

[akshor]

that is, the opposition is pro-Western with us. and the fact that officials are rampant with views of citizenship and owners of property and accounts in the West are among us pro-Russians and statesmen. Isn't it funny for you yourself? But lackeys like Solovyov are terribly tormented every time in Italy, comes to rot to admire, right? How cool he is able to wet the liberals and pro-Westerners, being in Italy. There are no beautiful places in the world except the West where you can enjoy life, right? It's funny, the more a patriot from the government beats himself in the chest, the more real estate, etc., he has in the West))) And the children are tormented by their own France and London. And they miss their birch trees and rush to Russia - mother

[akshor]

To judge, judges must have authority. I think so. And when judges are pro-Western lackeys, and when other pro-Western judges are judged ... it only causes laughter and distrust of the judges. And so, when an officer (as he calls himself, disgracing the honor of Russian officers) Zolotov, was frightened of a debate with pro-Western Navalny on the air to hide the scale of his love for his homeland, all this creates more questions for the authorities. What is officer Zolotov hiding? But does officer Zolotov defend his homeland? And is Homeland still with Officer Zolotov?

[smart ass]

This is a very difficult article.

[sledak]

It is high time!!! And the term for shooting is real at least 5 years!

[Victor_B]

Still, you need to do something with all sorts of diggers that climb on existing objects.
This, in most cases, has nothing to do with the liberd, but their materials are also used by enemies.
In fact, it’s very interesting to watch such videos, but the idea immediately arises - what the hell is the FSB not catching mice?
A dozen or two of such extremals will drop into the zone, and they will shoot a couple of VOKhR and immediately the fashion will deflate.

[Last centurion]

and what is the problem of changing legislation and sending these energetic comrades to use energy for peaceful purposes felling or clearing snow in the north

[Azazelo]

Give an order to the sentries to shoot to kill immediately, without warning or anything else ...

[venik]

Quote: Azazelo

Give an order to the sentries to shoot to kill immediately, without warning or anything else ...

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Excessively radical .... But och-h-chen EFFECTIVELY !!!

[rocket757]

One can imagine what responsibility they would be brought to in Western countries.

It’s not necessary to present; To catch and plant, everything is strictly according to the law.

[cniza]

And do not pay attention to howl ...

[rocket757]

It would be nice to hear screams turning into .... oh, why the public rods were canceled! This was a HEALTHY procedure that was very beneficial to many! He airs the brains and stacks as it should, at a time!
And since for many people the main enemy, it’s just a straightened brain, this would simplify their further existence once and for all.
In short, health for!

[cniza]

It is possible to create private structures like PMCs and go on - dreams ...

[tihonmarine]

They climb into the hospitals where our wounded lie, in cemeteries, in commemoration, in the families of our dead children. They remove the entrances and exits from our closed facilities and upload them to the Internet. One can imagine what responsibility they would be brought to in Western countries.

It was against such persons that it was necessary to amend the Constitution.

[Svarog]

Quote: tihonmarine

They climb into the hospitals where our wounded lie, in cemeteries, in commemoration, in the families of our dead children. They remove the entrances and exits from our closed facilities and upload them to the Internet. One can imagine what responsibility they would be brought to in Western countries.

It was against such persons that it was necessary to amend the Constitution.

Cool joke .. what amendments there, the criminal code, and the rule of the road there too ..

[Andrey Mikhaylov]

It’s necessary to plant in such a way that another person doesn’t even have a thought. This is not freedom of speech, this is already a mess.

[Sirocco]

Is there really any change in the charter of the guard and garrison service? If not, then the sentry will help. During the years of service in the SA, local residents decided to hook themselves up at one of the chemical service depots, one remained hanging on the fence, the second hid behind boxes. And here the minister himself carries water in the sieve, I don’t understand.

[Fat]

Quote: Sirocco

here the minister himself carries water in the sieve, I don’t understand.

The minister asks the senators for permission to shoot especially arrogant "journalists".
Reasonable forethought.

[Zaurbek]

So take and attract ..... responsibility should be one for all. Start with Comrade Serdyukov .....

[7,62x54]

A powerful army passes in front of dritschami opposition. I am sure that for any case, you can pull up existing laws and punish violators. Moreover, the authorities have experience in punishing those who are objectionable.

[Tuzik]

and urged senators to pay attention to this issue.

This word hurts the eye, what could not be called differently?

[Alevil]

Why are these "activists" still alive?

[shubin]

And what, the charter of the guard service was canceled? Everything is clearly spelled out there.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: shubin

And what, the charter of the guard service was canceled? Everything is clearly spelled out there.

It seems that they seized inhumane items. It's a pity.

[Fat]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Quote: shubin

And what, the charter of the guard service was canceled? Everything is clearly spelled out there.

It seems that they seized inhumane items. It's a pity.

What to regret? Read and decide, it seems not like ...
http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_72806/cd59566ddef0b9143c9f26cb9433bd10d749d552/

[Karaul14]

Apparently, the Kremlin decided that even such a tame opposition is a threat, therefore, all those who disagree will now be declared terrorists. The old practice of totalitarian regimes, North Korea can share experience, they succeeded in this.

[cniza]

This is from another source on the same topic:

According to Shoigu, it is necessary to adjust the law on the media so that such ill-wishers could not penetrate the army units and other objects of our armed forces.

And what existing laws are missing?

[Barmaleyka]

Shoigu spoke about the attempts of the Russian opposition to infiltrate military facilities ...
... The Defense Minister drew attention to the fact that Russian legislation in this area is not regulated, which does not allow bringing these "activists" to criminal responsibility, and called on the senators to pay attention to this issue.

I misunderstood something
"Charter of the garrison and guard services of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation" (approved by Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of December 14.12.1993, 2140 N 30.06.2002) (as amended on June XNUMX, XNUMX)

190. The sentry is obliged to use weapons without warning in the event of a clear attack on him or on the object protected by him.

191. All persons approaching the post or the forbidden border, except for the chief of the guard, the assistant to the chief of the guard, his own breeder and the persons accompanied by them, the sentry stops by shouting "Stop, back" or "Stop, go around to the right (left)".

If the person approaching the post or the forbidden border does not fulfill this requirement, the sentry warns the offender by shouting "Stop, I will shoot" and immediately calls the chief of the guard or the guard. If the intruder continues to approach the post or the forbidden border, the sentry sends the cartridge into the chamber and fires a warning shot upward. If the violator fails to comply with this requirement and attempts to get into the post (cross the forbidden border) or takes flight after such an attempt, the sentry uses weapons against him.
what other laws are needed? !!!

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Barmaleyka

what other laws are needed? !!!

You must first serve in the army urgently, study the duties of a soldier, guard, sentry, etc., and only then you can proceed with the duties of the Ministry of Defense ...

[Maks-80]

What nonsense. Under the law, a guard can calmly shoot an attempt to illegally enter the territory of a military facility

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Maks-80

By law guard HOURLY!!! can calmly shoot trying to illegally enter the territory of a military facility

[Mavrikiy]

Russian "pro-Western" opposition to infiltrate Russian military installations,

Attempts are suppressed by fire from service weapons.

does not allow to bring these "activists" to criminal responsibility, and called on senators to pay attention to this issue.

It is possible in Zindan, for six months. Enlightenment of the brain and the opening of 3 eyes is provided.

[Andrey.AN]

Shaigu confused at the root. Opposition is opposition, foreign agents are foreign agents. Opposition creates balance, compromise, foreign agents destroy balance.

[Barmal]

Judge and plant. Mark with indelible paint "VOR" and cut under a semi-box.

[ZVS]

It's time to go to jail for such things. Pick up the article "for sabotage in the interests of foreign states and send to Vorkuta to get coal and restore the city."

[Ros 56]

For five on their brother they hang for a start, others will be discouraged. And the bunks, they just have for thought.

[Operator]

In addition to improving Russian legislation in accordance with international practice, it is necessary to separate flies from cutlets: unnamed "activists" - or they are foreign agents (according to the current Russian legislation) or domestic oppositionists (if such exist in nature).

In the first case, the lawyers of the Ministry of Defense clearly slap their ears.

[Ross xnumx]

One can imagine what responsibility they would be brought to in Western countries, said Shoigu.

Who's stopping you? Attract! Send all the press secretaries and political officers to this, let them work out the bread.

[Romario_Argo]

our pro-Western opposition - soon we will begin to burn with hot iron

[Gennady Korsunov]

No doubt about the objects! Nobody has canceled the charter of the guard service .. But here about the wounded and dead guys, one can argue. In peacetime, the wounded and the dead? So, if it weren’t for these activists, we didn’t even know that there were dead and wounded .. Or Kisilev and Solovyov would tell us on TV ..

[ufpb]

Wait a minute. I will shoot. A shot in the air. Shoot to kill. - What else is needed?

[Million]

Is it Zhirinovsky with Zyuganov or something ???? Here are the scoundrels!)

[Roman12345678]

Basically, Shoigu noted, this is done by the hands of the Russian opposition, which exists with Western funds.

Shoigu himself at whose expense exists ??
And how should it be better or worse for the Russian layman ??

[Shadow041]

There are laws in the Russian Federation, it’s just that they are afraid to use them in the Kremlin against Chubais, or they simply don’t want to, making empty statements to the public. It’s enough to recall how espionage of a military unit in the Russian Federation living in the Russian Federation got away with phone reports on the movement of officers through the CCP to the Ukrainian Embassy! But this is espionage, Mr. Shoigu and criminal punishment in the Russian Federation for him is completely provided for himself !!!!

[Free wind]

A closed object is an abandoned object, and what’s wrong with it is that you can walk around and take pictures of the entrances and exits. And here that facts about someone's dachas periodically pop up. and becomes public. then very many do not like it. Moscow Oblast is telling everything about weapons; no intelligence is needed. Turn on the star, there everyone tells and shows. About relatives and the wounded, if asked, they ask permission, and even more so for uploading to the Internet, if they are against, they can sue, but this has never happened. And as you can get into the hospital, the hospital then strictly according to the hours of visits are possible. And if the wounded is heavy, then he is in intensive care, there is generally no entry. So there is a lot of untruth in all this. Well, you can watch sensitive objects on the Internet as much as you like, in satellite photographs, in very good quality, even in America, even in Russia. On some sites, photos are updated every hour.

[Maks1995]

It's cool that the opposition can be called anyone ....
Videos, charts, and pictures surfaced that, for example, Goblin / Puchkov is also funded by the State Department and Khodorkovsky ...
And the GDP is not only Peskov, but also called himself a liberal and a democrat ....

That is, without specifics, you can call anyone .... especially before the vote ...

[Roman12345678]

They climb into the hospitals where our wounded lie, in cemeteries, in commemoration, in the families of our dead children.

How do they "climb" ?? Do they walk around the cemetery ?? Looking for classified corpses ?? Trying to interview relatives ?? This is how all journalists do it ..

They remove the entrances and exits from our closed facilities and upload them to the Internet.

What kind of closed objects are these ??
And if I can take a picture of the Kremlin, and the windows where (approximately) Putin is sitting, are I a spy, an oppositionist, or a Western agent ??
Where it is impossible to take off, there must be security .. Where protection does not prohibit taking off - it is allowed ..

[shuv]

Do not exaggerate, but you perfectly understood what it was about ...

[Roman12345678]

I understand .. Because I asked the appropriate questions ..

[shuv]

The opposition is against the government, but for the homeland, for its development, and this is not the opposition, but a clear enemy !!!

[Khoja Nasredin]

After the liquidation of liberals, Jews, dissenters, and other undesirable elements, a golden age will come in Russia. Everyone will live happily and richly for up to 100 years. A salary of one million rubles will be minimal. Even women will give for free.

[Vyacheslav34]

Sergei Kozhugetovich there is a charter of guard duty for such people there everything is settled clearly and point by point. A shot in the air and then to kill a simple and uncomplicated pair of such cases and all of them will no longer be at all, they won’t even try, they won’t give out the bodies and hang them on the fence ... and they will definitely not be anymore only at a distance of 30 meters 50 need to put up posters sentry shoots to kill without warning ... In the days of the USSR we had and there were no violations ... no, but rarely and reluctantly.

[mark1]

Russian legislation in this area is not regulated

How not adjusted? And the charter of the guard service?
-Stop! Who goes!
-Stop! I will shoot!
- I stand !!!
-I’m shooting ...

[Nikolay Savarovsky]

Has Shaigu completely lost faith in God? He was diligently baptized at the parade, he saw it. Why should he apply to the Federation Council? There are few priests in the army? No one to pray? The second option is to fight with the financiers of the opposition on their territory if they are foreigners, as with the Ishilovites in Syria. There is experience. And even less capital needs to be exported to the ruling class abroad, less will be returned to finance the opposition.

[akshor]

Do you have the names of this opposition? And it smacks of balabolism

[Yaro Polk]

Shooting to defeat, absolutely nits in.agents state .. depovskie at hand.

[Retvizan 8]

As old as the world - the slogan of the opposition: "the worse the better."

[AB]

does not allow to bring these "activists" to criminal responsibility, and called on senators to pay attention to this issue.

Damn, and stupidly rewrite the responsibility for Gostaina from the Soviet code, faith does not allow, or how do they go to foreign embassies in the 90s and continue to do so? It must therefore be taken no action.

[Reserve buildbat]

I think it is useless to bring them to justice. These are carcasses with no social responsibility, so the only correct medical solution may be to eliminate the "carriers of the infection." Public preferably.

[yfast]

We have no opposition, of course. But I want to hide the losses. And not really give.

[Round Smesharik]

The Minister of Defense drew attention to the fact that Russian legislation in this area is not regulated, which does not allow criminal prosecution of these "activists", and urged senators to pay attention to this issue.

They’ll shoot two and three and everyone will calm down, and they began to become impudent hysterically (the goants gave them a couple of lards to the fight against Russia the USA allocated that year)))
I remember somewhere in Primorye (in the 2000s) they were chasing an officer (he fled to his unit))) he sent them insolents, but they did not know the password .. They shot everyone (it turned out that local brothers were wanted))))
Soldier, everything according to the Charter acted ..

[megadeth]

Well, take and plant ... how much you can endure these traitors.

[Kunica]

Poor Seryoga. How hard is it with this opposition. It’s good that there is VO. Here they will always be supported and branded. Righteous anger gushes out!