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The Ministry of Defense continues to transfer equipment to Italy

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The Ministry of Defense continues to transfer equipment to Italy

The Russian Ministry of Defense sent to Italy the fifteenth military transport aircraft Il-76MD with special cargo for the fight against coronavirus. This was reported by the press service of the military department.


The fifteenth BTA aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces Il-76MD took off from the Chkalovsky aerodrome (Moscow region) to deliver special equipment and means to fight the coronavirus to the Pratik de Mare air base in Italy. After unloading, the delivered property will be included in the cargo intended for transfer to the province of Lombardy in the city of Bergamo, where Russian specialists will assist in the fight against the spread of infection.

In agreement with the Italian side, the city of Bergamo will be the first area for the use of Russian military specialists who have arrived in Italy as part of assistance to combat the spread of coronavirus infection Covid-19

- said in a statement.

At present, the Russian military, together with Italian colleagues, are preparing to move special military equipment and equipment to the designated area and agree on traffic routes.

As previously reported in the military department, Russia sent one of the fifteen laboratories of the Russian Chemical Forces Army, eight medical teams, about 100 military virologists and epidemiologists, and special equipment for diagnosis and disinfection to Italy. Major Group of the RF Ministry of Defense in Italy is led by the Deputy Chief of the Radiation, Chemical and Biological Defense Forces of the RF Armed Forces Major General Sergey Kikot.
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  1. Nastia makarova
    Nastia makarova 25 March 2020 10: 21 New
    +5
    let them train italians
    1. Andobor
      Andobor 25 March 2020 10: 25 New
      +3
      Quote: Nastia Makarova
      let them train italians

      Yes, they work out thoroughly and fully, it is important that Italians like it.
    2. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 25 March 2020 10: 33 New
      18
      Quote: Nastia Makarova
      let them train italians

      Laughter, laughter, but in this way experience has been gained in combating this infection, perhaps there is also a variant of the vaccine. Do not wait for the number of infected people to reach such limits!
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 25 March 2020 10: 38 New
        +4
        In agreement with the Italian side, the city of Bergamo will be the first area for the use of Russian military specialists who have arrived in Italy as part of assistance to combat the spread of coronavirus infection Covid-19

        Here we will wait for the first progress ...

        It will not be superfluous to demonstrate to the world how the Russian military can work.
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 25 March 2020 11: 01 New
          -1
          The green men have already arrived. Keep it up.
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 25 March 2020 11: 12 New
          +1
          Quote: Insurgent
          It will not be superfluous to demonstrate to the world how the Russian military can work.

          Yes, help the Italians, but the main thing-SAVE YOURSELF!

          Good luck to them! hi
      2. Simargl
        Simargl 26 March 2020 04: 16 New
        0
        Quote: Starover_Z
        Laughter, laughter, but in this way experience has been gained in combating this infection, perhaps there is also a variant of the vaccine.
        Laugh laugh. They will not develop a vaccine - other people are doing this.
        But the methods of dealing with any typical sores will work out and the theory with practice will be tightened: how is it with Syria how many tactics and engineers were shoveled?
    3. vkl.47
      vkl.47 25 March 2020 11: 11 New
      +5
      Reconnaissance by battle. And help and precious experience.
      1. Fantazer911
        Fantazer911 25 March 2020 11: 38 New
        +1
        Plus from me, they said everything correctly, reconnaissance in battle hi
    4. Podvodnik
      Podvodnik 25 March 2020 11: 18 New
      13
      let them train italians


      Ну и за что минусы комментатору? Права же. Пока можем, надо отправлять и помогать. Мы соединяем "приятное с полезным". Это все-таки помощь, Евросоюз что-то не спешит. Им самим бы ноги не протянуть. А мы заодно и людей натаскаем не на учениях и лекциях, а в реальной обстановке. И цена ошибки наших спецов будет не смерть от боевого ОВ или черной оспы, а на редкость злая "простуда". Это все-таки не так опасно. ОРВИ каждый из нас болел не раз. А за одного битого двух не битых дают. От меня "+".
    5. svp67
      svp67 25 March 2020 12: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: Nastia Makarova
      let them train italians


      Иногда мне кажется, что наши из рода "бессмертных". Без средств защиты, уточнение производят на бумажной карте....это ж сколько сейчас на ней вирусов собраться может...
      1. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 25 March 2020 12: 35 New
        0
        we are Russians. God is with us))))
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 25 March 2020 14: 01 New
        0
        Everything is pre-alcoholized there, including the map.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 25 March 2020 15: 50 New
          +1
          Quote: Vadim237
          Everything is pre-alcoholized there, including the map.

          Italian map
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 25 March 2020 17: 31 New
            +1
            Quote: Spade

            Italian map

            Still, the Russians should bring a map with them, which indicates THAT that not every Italian (NATO) one will find lol wink

            Then, Jens Stoltenberg wassat
  2. iouris
    iouris 25 March 2020 10: 23 New
    -6
    Interesting arithmetic: first 9 = 14, now 9 = ...? And how do the Italians cope?
    1. 210ox
      210ox 25 March 2020 10: 49 New
      -2
      When will airplanes start pouring into our pharmacies? Yes the same masks for example ...
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 25 March 2020 11: 04 New
        +2
        Do you need to? For healthy it is useless. Patients are cured or at home.
        Personally, I'm on a remote site, I don’t even know if there are masks in neighboring pharmacies.
  3. Gardamir
    Gardamir 25 March 2020 10: 31 New
    -11
    Last time it was announced that the one who asks questions is a liberal. But still, I ask, is it really so good in Russia and the excess of medical staff that you can send to hell? Or is it property in Italy?
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 25 March 2020 10: 34 New
      +7
      oh my God ... what kind of staff? you basically do not notice the word MILITARY?
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 25 March 2020 10: 43 New
        -4
        you think military Doctors in Russia unnecessarily?
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 25 March 2020 10: 49 New
          +8
          Quote: Gardamir
          Do you think military doctors in Russia are unnecessary?

          And you, in turn, apparently think that they were sent to Italy ALL military doctors, virologists, infectious disease specialists?
          And in Mother Russia, was there nobody left?

          Well, yes, the army of Russia is flimsy and understaffed crying
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 25 March 2020 10: 59 New
            -5
            You’re like a fellow guerrilla in different topics give different opinions.
            I’m somehow a supporter of putting things in order at home, and then going to the neighbors to clean up. By the way, why didn’t they fly to China?
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 25 March 2020 11: 02 New
              -4
              Quote: Gardamir
              Are you like partisan comrade in different topics express different opinions.

              For example ?

              Yes Yes yes "Тыкните меня носом",в мою непоследовательность.

              How much do you need for this time?

              PS I see ... Mumbled, and then merged ...
              1. Okolotochny
                Okolotochny 25 March 2020 13: 05 New
                +3
                Да,да yes "Тыкните меня носом",в мою непоследовательность.

                He took you for his follower of the god of the squabble.
                1. Insurgent
                  Insurgent 25 March 2020 13: 06 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Okolotochny
                  He took you for his follower of the god of the squabble.

                  He was cruelly deceived.
                2. Valerych
                  Valerych 25 March 2020 13: 37 New
                  -3
                  Quote: Okolotochny
                  He took you for his follower of the god of the squabble.

                  and as a follower of god crucified?
                  1. Okolotochny
                    Okolotochny 26 March 2020 19: 53 New
                    +1
                    Shpak's words - You have to have a bite!
            2. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 25 March 2020 11: 10 New
              +1
              because China refused. And the military should not put things in order at home. Well, you understand this simple truth. there are other services for this.
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 25 March 2020 11: 13 New
                -8
                You confused me here. Military doctors flew to Italy? Or didn’t I understand you?
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 25 March 2020 11: 22 New
                  +3
                  not really doctors. RCBZ
                  1. Insurgent
                    Insurgent 25 March 2020 11: 28 New
                    0
                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    not really doctors. RCBZ

                    Вы меня удивили. "не совсем медики"... WHO belay ?

                    Who do you think are disinfection specialists, biology and virologists?

                    Or do you, as Gozman, suspect Russia of some unfair game?

                    Under the guise of doctors, в Италию забросили "Вежливых людей" ?

                    Здравствуй "Iberian spring"???
                    1. carstorm 11
                      carstorm 11 25 March 2020 12: 00 New
                      +2
                      Well, because the Medical Service and the RKhBZ troops are different structures, as well as their tasks are also different.
                      1. Insurgent
                        Insurgent 25 March 2020 12: 03 New
                        -2
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        Well, because the Medical Service and the RKhBZ troops are different structures, as well as their tasks are also different.

                        RxБbiological Защита, "какое-то отношение", к медицине(конкретно вирусологии) имеет ?

                        Или,по-вашему,в МО РФ сидят законченные клинические дегенераты,которые направили в Италию,контингент "не того профиля" ?

                        Ok then sayWHO ,what staff would send you personallyif you had such a task?
                      2. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 25 March 2020 12: 15 New
                        0
                        The sending of military personnel of radiation, chemical and biological protection troops and equipment to Italy will in no way affect the combat ability of the troops. On the contrary, the military will gain a lot of experience in eliminating the consequences in another locality, another locality in the interests of the whole state. This was announced by the chief of the troops of radiation, chemical and biological protection of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation Igor Kirillov. By the way, he led the squad. for virology, decipher the RBCH.
                      3. Insurgent
                        Insurgent 25 March 2020 12: 19 New
                        -5
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        as for virology, decipher the RBCH

                        Вы,собственно,зрячий,или как крот - только "на нюх" ?
                        Quote: Insurgent
                        RxБbiological Зdefense

                        Which means the fight against infections (lesions) caused by viruses, spores, sticks, pathogenic fungi, and so on ...
                      4. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 25 March 2020 12: 28 New
                        +3
                        Damn, but in Italy it’s not a fight with the virus?))) You seem to argue with yourself)
                      5. Insurgent
                        Insurgent 25 March 2020 12: 34 New
                        -1
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        Damn, but in Italy it’s not a fight with the virus?)))

                        Ta-ah-ah ...
                        " The priest had a dog ..."

                        So PROFILES MEDICINES from RCHBZ fight in Italy with a virus, or:

                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        not really doctors. RCBZ


                        Это не я "сам с собой спорю",а вы,с упорством достойным лучшего применения,противоречите самому себе.
                      6. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 25 March 2020 12: 40 New
                        0
                        am i arguing? I told you that the RKhBZ detachment was sent there. Why are you trying to prove to me that this is not so) can there be people from the Medical Service among them? quite admit.
                        РХБиологическая Защита, "какое-то отношение", к медицине(конкретно вирусологии) имеет ?

                        Или,по-вашему,в МО РФ сидят законченные клинические дегенераты,которые направили в Италию,контингент "не того профиля" ?

                        Well, then tell WHO, what kind of personnel you would personally send if you had such a task. you read what you write or something.
                      7. Insurgent
                        Insurgent 25 March 2020 12: 50 New
                        -2
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        am i arguing?

                        А к "истокам своего творчества",обратиться не желаете ли ?

                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        not really doctors. RCBZ


                        Quote: Insurgent
                        Вы меня удивили. "не совсем медики"... А WHO belay ?

                        Who do you think are disinfection specialists, biology and virologists?

                        Or do you, as Gozman, suspect Russia of some unfair game?

                        Под видом медиков, в Италию забросили "Вежливых людей" ?

                        Здравствуй "Пиренейская весна" ???


                        And instead of answering directly to the asked question, you began to bustle and dodge.

                      8. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 25 March 2020 13: 02 New
                        0
                        clearly shorter) close the topic. You do not understand what I mean. matter in tasks. I talked about this and not about who the physician is in fact and who is not. I’m not talking about that at all.
      2. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 25 March 2020 13: 06 New
        0
        And who is belay?

        First of all, biologists and virologists.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 25 March 2020 15: 25 New
          -3
          Quote: Okolotochny
          First of all, biologists and virologists.

          MEDICA, right?
        2. Insurgent
          Insurgent 25 March 2020 15: 45 New
          -3
          Quote: Insurgent
          MEDICA, right?

          Doctors! yes

          The main directions of modern virology

          Quote: Big Medical Encyclopedia
          The main directions of modern general and medical. Virology: further study of the fine structure of viruses, their biochemistry and genetics, replication of viral nucleic acids, the interaction of the virus with the cell, an in-depth study of antiviral immunity, improving methods for isolating viruses and diagnosing viral diseases, developing the basics of chemotherapy and chemoprophylaxis of viral infections; the study of the ecology of viruses, the development of more advanced methods of prevention, the search and testing of drugs for the treatment of viral diseases.
  • Svarog
    Svarog 25 March 2020 11: 02 New
    -1
    Quote: Insurgent
    And in Mother Russia, was there nobody left?

    Yesterday for the collective went masks to buy .. did not find in pharmacies .. this is in Nab. Chelny ..
    Do you think Italians help us if they start? Well, or someone else ... I'm sure not ... Sanctions are please .. So this charity also hurts my eyes .. It's time to focus on our own problems, and not engage in image ..
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 25 March 2020 11: 15 New
      +6
      masks do not help, they are only for those who have already become infected
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 25 March 2020 11: 18 New
        +5
        Quote: Nastia Makarova
        masks do not help, they are only for those who have already become infected

        So the incubation period is from 5 days .. accordingly, even if a person becomes infected and does not know about it and walks in a mask, it means that he will infect others less.
        1. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 25 March 2020 11: 28 New
          0
          if he does not know then he will not be protected
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 25 March 2020 11: 30 New
            +3
            Quote: Nastia Makarova
            if he does not know then he will not be protected

            We will have .. we all have to walk in masks and wash their hands 5 times per working day. Moreover, all surfaces are disinfected twice a day.
            1. Nastia makarova
              Nastia makarova 25 March 2020 11: 42 New
              -1
              where do you have it? we let students and schoolchildren go on vacation and they walk in droves, washing their hands well, but if you cough on you, it won’t help
      2. Vladimir B.
        Vladimir B. 25 March 2020 12: 39 New
        +6
        And what about the personnel at the ladder and the KamAZ driver are already infected?
        Are these Chinese doctors infected?


    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 25 March 2020 11: 57 New
      -2
      Quote: Svarog
      Yesterday for the team went to buy masks .. did not find in pharmacies ..

      In May-June 2014 (there was already Slavyansk) we went around pharmacies in a number of cities, searched for blood transfusion systems, droppers, syringes, dressings, targeted medicines (etc.) for militias, and found it with difficulty.

      Although from Slavyansk, oh-yo-yo, how far. Then it worked out. But not for long, dill came up. Disruptions again.

      But they survived ...

      And everything will settle down for you. The main thing is not to hysteria, and do not panic. All diseases of the nerves.
    3. Roman12345678
      Roman12345678 25 March 2020 12: 19 New
      -1
      Tonight, Nightingale flooded about how great it is with us, and how bad they have there ..
      I was especially pleased with the speech that we (unlike them) have an awesome supply of masks ..
      Правда в магазинах они "не всегда есть".. но зато из раздают бесплатно в Москве всем тем, кто в них нуждается..
      I already cried ..
    4. vadimtt
      vadimtt 25 March 2020 13: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: Svarog

      Yesterday for the collective went masks to buy .. did not find in pharmacies .. this is in Nab. Chelny ..

      Nakoy you these masks from the pharmacy, they do not help the healthy. It’s better if they took a 3M mask for painting in the camera, the protection is several orders of magnitude higher laughing
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 25 March 2020 10: 52 New
    +2
    certainly needed. only at the moment their task is to carry out the order and conduct a military observation of the operation.
  • _Sergei_
    _Sergei_ 25 March 2020 14: 11 New
    +1
    200 people sent to Italy, 18 thousand in Russia
  • Leshy1975
    Leshy1975 25 March 2020 11: 55 New
    +1
    Quote: carstorm 11
    oh my God ... what kind of staff? you basically do not notice the word MILITARY?

    Of course, I was branded a few days ago, when I expressed my bewilderment by the situation, why they rushed to help Italy, and not their citizens (well, either Donbass or Syria). But nothing, I’m persistent guy, I don’t faint from the minuses. Moreover, after a few days you can raise more thoughtful questions.
    1) The authorities are currently do not have accurate data on the real level of distribution of coronavirus in Russian regions. This was announced on Tuesday, March 24, by Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin, Russian President Vladimir Putin, RIA Novosti reports.
    For information, why exactly Sobyanin and by what right he declares: Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin held the first meeting State Council working group on countering the spread of coronavirus, reports TASS.
    According to the capital's mayor, led the working group

    So. According to the person in charge, what is happening in the Russian Federation itself is not known, but Italy (EU member) rushed to help.
    Well, there is a version that in Italy there is a different strain of the virus and our virologists need to study it. But we look again at what Sobyanin said: Authorities currently do not have accurate data .
    And in our country, is it just a different strain, different from Italian? If in the first place, contacts with Italy were tight, and secondly, there is no exact data. Nobody knows what is happening in the regions.

    2) I was against the supply of honey to Italy. equipment and a few days ago. Because he believed that the hospitals themselves were provided with equipment probably no better than in the EU. Especially today I called a friend who works in a clinic in the field of:
    What costumes are there! Masks said NO! NO tests! For ventilation devices she said she did not know.
    The fight against a viral disease is as follows: Who arrived from places unfavorable for the virus - on the tenth day take the analysis and send tests to Voronezh.
    In the polyclinic a man walks to the general registry, there he is interested in the subject of temperature, and if there is, then they are sent to a separate office. Regarding a separate entrance to such an office, he did not specify, and what is the point if a person is already standing in the general registry. And moreover, the first manifestations of the disease are not immediately observed in an infected person after contact with an infected person. The incubation period of COVID-19 is from one day up to two weeks.

    I said that a few days ago. And after a while, as information came in, my perplexity only grew. Therefore, I repeat:
    Maybe our military virologists are already full of work inside the country, and not in unhappy Italy (EU member)?
    The responsible person - Sobyanin, admits that there is no exact data.
    Honey equipment for Italian hospitals is great, happy for Italians. But first we can put ours, everything that is necessary. I will say frankly and cynically. I don’t know anyone of these Italians, but to whom I called (I have several doctors who are familiar), they are dear to me, they are my good friends and acquaintances. The Italians have their own state and it is part of the EU, let Brussels help. Brussels can’t help, let them get rid of SMS, like we are treating children, and independently buy the necessary equipment. And let the money of the Russian Federation be spent on providing Russian doctors and hospitals.

    PS The conversation looked like this:
    Hi Hi.
    Len, tell me, here’s what they show about the fight against the virus on TV: suits, tests, boxes, how do you really do, are you provided with everything? - I beg you, what suits ?! We have NO masks!
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 25 March 2020 12: 19 New
      +3
      Quote: Leshy1975
      Of course I was branded

      And rightly branded.
      For even Cuba sent its doctors to Italy.
      1. Leshy1975
        Leshy1975 25 March 2020 12: 38 New
        -1
        Quote: Spade
        Quote: Leshy1975
        Of course I was branded

        And rightly branded.
        For even Cuba sent its doctors to Italy.

        Here the word - even, does not fit well. In socialist Cuba, medicine is on top. Cuba's successes in the treatment of oncology, for example, are known. Maybe Cuba has everything under complete control here. I will not argue for the security of Cuban hospitals. But the fact that our own is not provided and this is not a struggle, but do not understand that, I have already shown. And the fact that the authorities do not own information on the situation with the virus, said not me, but Sobyanin.
        You can then brand Sobyanin (along with me), and he is a comrade-in-arms of the GDP, maybe this is how you get to the chain.

        PS If you do not have accurate information about what is happening in your own country, then it will definitely be the right decision to redirect resources to help another country, especially not an ally and not the poorest one? You stubbornly consider right, but I stubbornly not. Everyone will remain in their own opinion. hi
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 25 March 2020 15: 45 New
          0
          Quote: Leshy1975
          Here the word - even, does not fit well.

          Great fit. It is enough to compare GDP per capita. Italy, Russia and Cuba.
          Вы же именно на это топите "только своим помогать нужно, потому что денех мало".
          Based on your statements, Cuba should have refused to help others
          1. Leshy1975
            Leshy1975 25 March 2020 16: 21 New
            -1
            Quote: Spade
            Quote: Leshy1975
            Here the word - even, does not fit well.

            Great fit. It is enough to compare GDP per capita. Italy, Russia and Cuba.
            Вы же именно на это топите "только своим помогать нужно, потому что денех мало".
            Based on your statements, Cuba should have refused to help others

            1) Comparison with Cuba is bad because Cuba helps not only in Italy. And it does it systematically (expert.ru source):
            “For the first time, Cuba sent an emergency team to Italy, one of the countries with the highest rate of coronavirus infection,” the diplomat said in a conversation with reporters.
            The portal said that the team was the sixth in a row sent by Cuba abroad to combat the spread of coronavirus infection. Earlier, the island government sent brigades to Nicaragua, Jamaica, Suriname and Grenada. On March 20, a team of 130 Cuban doctors arrived in Venezuela to combat the prevention of the spread of coronavirus.

            2) You have already been asked a similar question below, which you persistently do not notice
            But what did Putin not send to Iran? There seems to be a partner and ally!

            I also asked why Italy, and not Donbass or Syria?

            3) However, perhaps I myself found the answer on the network, why exactly Italy (source free-news.su)
            Despite the fact that for several decades sanctions have been applied to the “Liberty Island”, Cubans have one of the best healthcare systems in the world. This time they showed international solidarity, supporting the efforts of the PRC to help Italy, which is at the peak of the epidemic.
            Fact is that China remembers that in 2008 Italy helped the PRC during an outbreak of SARS. In turn, the Chineselevying the peak of the epidemic, decided to support the Italians.


            PS Well, everything fell into place. At the same time, this explains the strange list of helping countries (China, Russia, Cuba, Venezuela). China, in gratitude to Italy, has assembled a team of helping countries.
            And here Putin could not refuse. Even if we ourselves need these resources.
            Source RBC from 19.03.2020: Putin and Xi Jinping discussed the coronavirus pandemic.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 25 March 2020 16: 28 New
              +1
              Quote: Leshy1975
              Comparison with Cuba is bad because Cuba is not only helping Italy.

              Exactly! Not only Italy
              Instead of helping only your own.

              Quote: Leshy1975
              You have already been asked a similar question below, which you persistently do not notice.

              Ага, я на него умудрился ответить "не замечая". laughing Damn, you just can’t do it without lies.

              Quote: Leshy1975
              I also asked why Italy, and not Donbass or Syria?

              If I look at the history of your posts, I will not find dissatisfaction with the help of Syria there? Only honestly ...


              Quote: Leshy1975
              PS Well, everything fell into place. At the same time, this explains the strange list of helping countries (China, Russia, Cuba, Venezuela). China, in gratitude to Italy, has assembled a team of helping countries.
              And here Putin could not refuse. Even if we ourselves need these resources.
              Source RBC from 19.03.2020: Putin and Xi Jinping discussed the coronavirus pandemic.

              That is, you came to the conclusion that Cuba sent doctors to help Italy because China forced ...
              Y-yes ...
              1. Leshy1975
                Leshy1975 25 March 2020 16: 45 New
                -3
                Quote: Spade
                Ага, я на него умудрился ответить "не замечая". laughing Блин, Вы уже без вранья просто не можете.

                Yes, I didn’t notice that while I wrote you the answer, they already answered. Therefore, for the lies - this is for yourself. Didn’t you disseminate dubious information yesterday, the United States left Italy without honey. funds. Although the original article is very different in meaning.
                If I look at the history of your posts, I will not find dissatisfaction with the help of Syria there? Only honestly ...

                Well, I will help you: March 23, 2020, 19:51 in a comment on an article: Gozman suggested that Putin “takes out something in this turbulent period by plane to Italy”
                In the end, don’t want Donbass, put Syria. Why the EU?

                Check.
                That is, you came to the conclusion that Cuba sent doctors to help Italy because China forced ...
                Y-yes ...

                Well, such a wording that you made, you yourself invented, without me. Maybe I just asked. The fact that you do not like this version is your own business. But at least, this version is at least based on information sources and can explain why Italy and such a list of countries.
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 25 March 2020 16: 53 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Leshy1975
                  this version is at least based on information sources

                  Нет, "леший". Эта версия основывается исключительно на "логике лешего", а-ля:

                  Fish is a pike.
                  Pike are teeth.
                  Teeth is a dog.
                  A dog is (censorship) ...

                  Вот что-то мне эта "логика" неуловимо напоминает... what
                2. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 25 March 2020 18: 05 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Leshy1975
                  Didn’t you disseminate dubious information yesterday USA left Italy without honey. funds. Although the original article is very different in meaning.

                  Can't you lie?
                  Here is the word of honor, how can this be ?????


                  Quote: Leshy1975
                  Check.

                  Checked. Found very quickly.
                  Did you write this? "Прям два раза в точку (я вот думаю, сначала наводят порядок у себя в доме, потом берут инвентарь и к "соседу", если уж позвал). Оно конечно, лучше и в Сирии мочить, а теперь еще лучше и в Африке (да-да, туда мы тоже направляем воен. советников), интересно, куда еще полезем?"
                  So, you are also unhappy with the help of Syria. Q.E.D.


                  Quote: Leshy1975
                  Well, such a wording that you made, you yourself invented, without me.

                  No, this is your interpretation of events.
                  Осталось сего-нибудь соврать на тему "как Китай заставил кубинцев помочь Италии."
                  1. Leshy1975
                    Leshy1975 25 March 2020 20: 29 New
                    -2
                    Quote: Spade
                    Quote: Leshy1975
                    Didn’t you disseminate dubious information yesterday USA left Italy without honey. funds. Although the original article is very different in meaning.

                    Can't you lie?
                    Here is the word of honor, how can this be ?????


                    Quote: Leshy1975
                    Check.

                    Checked. Found very quickly.
                    Did you write this? "Прям два раза в точку (я вот думаю, сначала наводят порядок у себя в доме, потом берут инвентарь и к "соседу", если уж позвал). Оно конечно, лучше и в Сирии мочить, а теперь еще лучше и в Африке (да-да, туда мы тоже направляем воен. советников), интересно, куда еще полезем?"
                    So, you are also unhappy with the help of Syria. Q.E.D.


                    Quote: Leshy1975
                    Well, such a wording that you made, you yourself invented, without me.

                    No, this is your interpretation of events.
                    Осталось сего-нибудь соврать на тему "как Китай заставил кубинцев помочь Италии."

                    1) Shovels, do not confuse medical care and military. Moreover, participation in a foreign civil war. I am now against such participation. And I remember why I was writing.
                    2) Your yesterday:
                    Quote: private person
                    And what did IL-76 bring the vaccine in these photos?

                    In this photo, an American military transport plane takes coronavirus test systems from northern Italy. IN USA. They need it.

                    I posted a link under the photo

                    Quote: private person
                    And do you really think that it is taken out by test systems for coronavirus?

                    Exactly.
                    Причём это не я "думаю". это американцы так подписали свои же фотографии.

                    Approximately 500,000 testing swabs and supplies were flown from Aviano Air Base, Italy, to the FedEx hub in Memphis, Tennessee, to be distributed to medical facilities across the US

                    "Примерно 500 000 тестовых тампонов и расходных материалов были доставлены с авиабазы Авиано, Италия, в центр FedEx в Мемфисе, штат Теннесси, чтобы распределить их по медицинским учреждениям по всей территории США"
                    In black and white.

                    And the Americans wag
                    Пытаясь соврать, что это были "тампоны и расходные материалы" Которые намного проще произвести у себя, чем везти из охваченной эпидемией Италии.


                    3) And in the original, this news sounds like this: This mission followed the first mission of the air mobility command on March 16-17, which also carried 500 test smears in support of the nationwide efforts to control the coronavirus pandemic led by the US Department of Health and Human Services. Tampons are manufactured by the Italian company Copan Diagnostics, Inc., tootoroya continues to produce enough products to meet Italian and global needs. Like the USA. By continuing to buy these brushstrokes, AMC active, Reserve and Air National Guard components are honored to help transport the generous support of our Italian partner to help the American people.

                    4) Yesterday Liam wrote correctly to you (Liam)
                    Something you wagged.And it would seem. A simple translation of the link that they themselves led


                    PS Yes, Lopatov. I did not expect this from you. They misinterpreted my attitude to the military (where I am against direct participation) and medical (where I am for) assistance to Syria.
                    Wagged yesterday. They clearly expressed a sense, in your opinion it turned out that the United States is being exported to the detriment of Italy, and today you continue. I will continue to communicate with you more carefully. Slippery you turns out to be a citizen, even very.
                  2. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 25 March 2020 20: 40 New
                    0
                    Quote: Leshy1975
                    Shovels, do not confuse medical care and military.

                    Who cares? Unless the military is even more expensive

                    Quote: Leshy1975
                    I am now against such participation.

                    Naturally. You are against any decision of the Russian authorities. And if Putin issues a decree tomorrow demanding to live, you will immediately criticize him, pointing to the beneficial effects of suicide and euthanasia.

                    Quote: Leshy1975
                    Your yesterday:

                    Exactly.
                    А теперь, чтобы показать, что Вы не лгун, укажите конкретно, где в моих словах содержится заявление про "USA left Italy without honey. means" которое Вы мне приписали.

                    Once again you are caught in a lie ... Propaganda is such propaganda ...

                    Quote: Leshy1975
                    They clearly expressed a sense, in your opinion it turned out that the United States is being exported to the detriment of Italy, and today you continue.

                    And here again.
                    Honestly, you can't lie without a lie?

                    There, for anyone familiar with the Russian language, it is clear that I wrote about the ITALIAN REACTION to this fact and to these photographs.
                  3. Leshy1975
                    Leshy1975 25 March 2020 21: 33 New
                    -2
                    Quote: Spade
                    А теперь, чтобы показать, что Вы не лгун, укажите конкретно, где в моих словах содержится заявление про "США оставили Италию без мед. средств" которое Вы мне приписали.

                    Yes, here, I point out again, even specifically highlight again:
                    In this photo, an American military transport plane takes out test systems for coronavirus from the north of Italy. IN USA. They need it.

                    Well, where is it, an expert on the Russian language, how do you assure the reaction of the Italians?
                    There, for anyone familiar with the Russian language, it is clear that I wrote about the ITALIAN REACTION to this fact and to these photographs.

                    No Shovels, there is only your reaction, without any Italian. And it is not at all ambiguous - they need it.
                    Who cares? Unless the military is even more expensive

                    The difference between direct participation in a foreign civil war and medical assistance is huge, Lopatov. And just you finally lie.
                    Naturally. You are against any decision of the Russian authorities. And if Putin issues a decree tomorrow

                    Тоже мне "открытие" сделали. Да тут все на сайте знают, и я этого не скрываю, что я агитирую против нынешней власти и Путина лично.
                  4. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 25 March 2020 21: 41 New
                    0
                    Quote: Leshy1975
                    Well, where is it, an expert on the Russian language, how do you assure the reaction of the Italians?

                    One post higher.
                    But for some reason, you don’t have much with the Russian ... Also not native, like your colleague?

                    Quote: Leshy1975
                    The difference between direct participation in a foreign civil war and medical assistance is huge, Lopatov. And just you finally lie.

                    The difference is that you once again began to bustle. This is the second thing you can do well. After lying.
                    Your words that you are unhappy with the help and Syria I, as promised, I found. No matter how you wriggle there.

                    Так где мои слова про "USA left Italy without honey. means", уже нашли, или всё в поиске?
                  5. Leshy1975
                    Leshy1975 25 March 2020 21: 51 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Spade
                    Так где мои слова про "США оставили Италию без мед. средств", уже нашли, или всё в поиске?

                    Stop pretending, I said this:
                    Distributed dubious information about the fact that the United States left Italy without honey. funds. Although the original article is very different in meaning.
                    This is yours:
                    In this photo, an American military transport aircraft takes test systems for coronavirus with north of Italy. IN USA. They need it.


                    Your words that you are unhappy with the help and Syria I, as promised, I found. No matter how you wriggle there.

                    Shovels, stop pretending to be a hose. Again. I wrote that I’m against participating in a foreign civil war. This is so now.
                    And I wrote:
                    In the end, don’t want Donbass, put Syria. Why the EU?

                    Well, the fact that you do not see the difference between the disapproval of participation in the civil war and the offer to provide honey. help. Well what can I say. fool
                  6. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 25 March 2020 22: 22 New
                    0
                    Quote: Leshy1975
                    Stop pretending, I said this:
                    Distributed dubious information about the fact that the United States left Italy without honey. funds.

                    Exactly.
                    И подтвердить свои голословные утверждения о том, что я заявлял "США оставили Италию без мед. средств." Вы так и не смогли.
                    Therefore, they lied.


                    Quote: Leshy1975

                    Shovels, stop pretending to be a hose. Again. I wrote that I’m against participating in a foreign civil war. This is so now.
                    And I wrote:

                    I asked you
                    "Если я посмотрю историю Ваших постов, я там не найду недовольство помощью Сирии? Только честно..."
                    Вы ответили "Проверяйте."
                    And I easily found such a statement
                    As required.

                    Про Ваше довольно странное определение войны с террором как "гражданская война"... отставлю на Вашей совести. Если она есть. Но напомню, "Братья Мусульмане" запрещены в России с 2003 года. Как террористическая организация.



                    Quote: Leshy1975
                    Well, the fact that you do not see the difference between the disapproval of participation in the civil war and the offer to provide honey. help.

                    If I don’t see a difference in helping to fight terrorism and helping to fight coronovirus, then what?

                    After all, there really is almost no difference. Terrorism is more dangerous.
                  7. Leshy1975
                    Leshy1975 25 March 2020 22: 38 New
                    -2
                    Quote: Spade
                    И подтвердить свои голословные утверждения о том, что я заявлял "США оставили Италию без мед. средств." Вы так и не смогли.

                    Lopatov, do you generally understand the meaning of the word - more needed?
                    This is a comparison when someone needs something more than something else.
                    They don’t say that in Russian - Give me one of the two (or many) books I need.
                    But if we are talking about something small or unique, then they say just that - I need this book, give it to me.
                    So, your proposals are built without any ambiguities: from the north of Italy. IN USA. They need.

                    PS All Shovels, enough. This is ridiculous, we got to the point that you pretend that you do not understand the meaning of the text you wrote, in Russian.
  • Fishery
    Fishery 25 March 2020 12: 46 New
    -4
    italy interesting to show on tv))))
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 25 March 2020 14: 27 New
    0
    you mix everything in a heap from this trouble. I repeat, the main word in everything is MILITARY. they are not related to all the cases you have described. there are services for this. The same people are effective in certain conditions. mobility and efficiency in areas with a difficult situation. we do not have such territories and they have the opportunity to work and study where they are really needed.
  • Red
    Red 25 March 2020 10: 37 New
    +3
    No, it’s just that we have it .... how they haven’t come yet, and when it comes ours will know what to do
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 25 March 2020 10: 48 New
      -3
      They say I do not know for sure or not, but the difference between China and Italy is that the Chinese strictly limited communication and the virus had nowhere to spread. In Italy, any sneezed was sent to intensive care. Where did the person get infected.
      1. Red
        Red 25 March 2020 10: 55 New
        +2
        Rather, the main difference was that China quickly limited the spread of the virus and closed everything quickly, while Italy, France, and Spain dragged on to the last. Boriska in London generally stated that we should all be ill.
        1. JonnyT
          JonnyT 25 March 2020 11: 04 New
          +1
          Perhaps there is a mutated and more aggressive covid stamp.
          And yes, Italians themselves contributed to the spread of the virus in their hospitals. As such, they did not have tests for the virus, so everyone was suspiciously taken to the foci. And the anti-epidemiological measures were not properly organized
      2. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 25 March 2020 11: 16 New
        +2
        a new virus appeared in China, 1 person has already died
  • Tiksi-3
    Tiksi-3 25 March 2020 11: 13 New
    +1
    Quote: Gardamir
    Or is it property in Italy?

    I will answer YOU - the prognosis of the spread of coronavirus in Russia - there will be an Italian scenario, I am not saying this, officials, while they say that if the Chinese scenario goes, then it’s good. that’s why our military is now gaining invaluable experience there and helping Italian old people survive
  • iaroslav.mudryi
    iaroslav.mudryi 25 March 2020 12: 00 New
    -2
    Quote: Gardamir
    ..... is it really so good in Russia ....?


    Вчера Соловьев, наконец-то собрал спецов-медиков, а не политтехнологов (первая часть программы около часа), которые доступно объясняют проблематику коронавируса, очень интересно об "иммунной прослойке" - с 22-мин.
    [media = https: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = P1LNgdCq41w]
  • And
    And 25 March 2020 10: 32 New
    10
    So, after a little over a century, Russian soldiers again save the Italians. Good luck guys, come back home alive, healthy !!!
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 25 March 2020 10: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: And
      So, after a little over a century, Russian soldiers again save the Italians. Good luck guys, come back home alive, healthy !!!

      hi
      А поляки, как в те времена чинят пакости и кордоны, запуская "ужасы" в "европы".
      1. And
        And 25 March 2020 10: 47 New
        +1
        Good afternoon. Yes, so that they were empty. Apparently in psheks, this is inherent in the blood at the genetic level, like in small mongrel dogs, they can only constantly dirty and yap at passers-by for no reason, but in fact they are nothing.
      2. 210ox
        210ox 25 March 2020 10: 51 New
        +2
        Hyenas, their mother’s legs ..
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 25 March 2020 10: 54 New
          +2
          Quote: 210ox
          Hyenas, their mother’s legs ..

          That's it - hyenasЫ !
          Если раньше была только одна "гиена Европы"- Польша,то теперь их развелось,хоть сезон охоты открывай.
        2. And
          And 25 March 2020 10: 54 New
          +1
          Rather jackals.
          1. 210ox
            210ox 25 March 2020 10: 59 New
            +2
            Churchill knew what he was saying ... Jackals will be more sympathetic in appearance. However, the abomination is still that .. On Manych even a boot was dragged from the fishing tent for a hundred .. No.
            1. And
              And 25 March 2020 11: 12 New
              +1
              The behavior is very similar to the actions of the descendants of the Commonwealth - the main thing is to spoil.
              I hope the lack of a boot did not prevent the further fishing process.
              1. 210ox
                210ox 25 March 2020 11: 32 New
                +1
                You can drink vodka without a boot .. laughing
                1. And
                  And 25 March 2020 11: 42 New
                  0
                  And it is right drinks , the main thing is not to forget to buy fish in the store before returning home laughing
            2. Insurgent
              Insurgent 25 March 2020 15: 23 New
              0
              Quote: 210ox
              In Manych, even a boot was dragged from the fishing tent for a hundred ..

              And who is to blame for you, that you are clogged up on her (jackal) territory? wassat
        3. Lelek
          Lelek 25 March 2020 11: 05 New
          +4
          Quote: 210ox
          Hyenas, their mother’s legs ..

          hi , Dmitry.
          Гуаноделы, старатели из любой мерзости смастерить пулю. Но поражает ещё то, сколько воплей "всепропальщиков", рвущих на себе тельняшки, громыхает на ВО по поводу нашей помощи итальянцам. Ведь наши спецы приобретут там бесценный опыт, который так пригодится здесь - в России.
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    2. Deniska999
      Deniska999 25 March 2020 10: 44 New
      -7
      Why do we need to save someone. First you need to save yourself ...
      1. And
        And 25 March 2020 10: 50 New
        0
        Do you propose to eliminate all emergency services, everyone heals his own way, extinguishes fires and protects against crooks?
      2. Lelek
        Lelek 25 March 2020 15: 46 New
        +1
        Quote: Deniska999
        First you need to save yourself ...


        Well, so who's stopping you? Get infected and save. And until this happens, do not sound the alarm, save your nerves. The nerve virus bites in the first place, this is his favorite dish.
  • knn54
    knn54 25 March 2020 10: 37 New
    +4
    At one time, there were many questions about Syria. With infection, as well as terrorism, we also have to fight on distant approaches.
    1. ELEZKIY
      ELEZKIY 25 March 2020 12: 51 New
      -2
      а вы согласны с "Главный рассадник терроризма на планете - США", и если -да, то почему с этим почти никто не борется. более того, ещё и спонсируют по мере сил?
  • Igor Borisov_2
    Igor Borisov_2 25 March 2020 10: 38 New
    -6
    Quote: carstorm 11
    oh my God ... what kind of staff? you basically do not notice the word MILITARY?


    And what can the military do not help their citizens? So we have the same big problems with the flu and SARS ......
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 25 March 2020 11: 18 New
      0
      Orvi can be treated by ordinary doctors
  • megadeth
    megadeth 25 March 2020 10: 40 New
    0
    Смотрите Новости Рен тв от 25.03.2020, в чём "скоряк" приезжает на вызов, по подозрению на "корону", а потом до экстаза кричите: - "Верной дорогой идёте товарищи"...Тошнит уже от все согласия...
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    1. megadeth
      megadeth 25 March 2020 10: 54 New
      +1
      I was banned for less ... The site administrator was forbidden to leave comments on this site.
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      2. Avior
        Avior 25 March 2020 11: 25 New
        +2
        such an inscription appears if you try to edit your post after a certain time
        It has nothing to do with ban
        1. megadeth
          megadeth 25 March 2020 16: 55 New
          0
          A four near the avatar ???
  • demo
    demo 25 March 2020 10: 54 New
    -1
    I am becoming more and more entrenched in the thought that our leadership, in the person of the main and auxiliary persons, is completely inadequate.
    Without taking into account the human factor, we can safely say that helping Russia to anyone does not bring it (Russia) absolutely nothing. In addition to spitting and insinuations against us.
    Надеяться на то, что вдруг "мировая общественность" оценит и прозреет - глупость несусветная.
    Достаточно вспомнить некоторые вехи нашей "дружбы" с "коллективным западом".
    Надежды на то, что мы являемся членами "мировой семьи народов":
    1. Winter Olympics in Sochi.
    2. World Cup champions.
    In reply?
    Doping scandal.
    "Отравление" Скрипалей и их кота.
    Absolutely, flirting (there is another synonym for action - licking) - these are the feelings that cause our steps towards Italy in particular, and to the whole West as a whole.
    Weak people need help: Iran (we don’t hear our proposals), Syria (they don’t get infected?).
    Help must be thankful and kind.
    Helping Italian people is humane, but not far-sighted.
    And why didn’t we (Russia), with the help of M. Simonyan, broadcast to the whole world that neither the USA nor the EU structures are doing anything for the ally?
    Why didn't you poke your nose in their own shit?
    Again we are afraid of infringing on the hegemon?
    Our steps should be such that then we do not have to blush for them.
    My late friend Fedor Fedorovich always used to say:
    "Not a single good deed will be punished."
    But at the same time, all his life, he was such a person.
    And constantly to him for good deeds poured shit on his head.
    This is probably the essence of the Russian people.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 25 March 2020 11: 00 New
      +7
      “The assistance provided to Italy will not affect our ability to ensure the safety of citizens. We are ready to respond promptly to any development of events. On the basis of medical institutions of the Ministry of Defense, special units have been prepared for conducting observational events. Today, there are no cases of coronavirus infection among military personnel, ”said D. Trishkin, head of the Main Military Medical Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

      “We sent to Italy one of our 15 laboratories, 20 machines for special treatment of 2065 and 66 people of 20 thousand troops of the radiation, chemical and biological defense forces. This will not affect the combat readiness of the troops. On the contrary, the personnel will gain valuable experience, ”agreed the chief of the troops of radiation, chemical and biological defense I. Kirillov.
      Leave you military alone. they have their own work and their own capabilities and do not believe their line of activity.
    2. Shraik
      Shraik 25 March 2020 11: 03 New
      +5
      All this is done not out of kindness of soul or for the sake of some mythical recognition in the West. This is done so that our military specialists gain experience in combating this virus.
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 25 March 2020 11: 16 New
        0
        Если насчет "тренироваться", то у нас в России полно своего "тренировочного материала", как раз привезенного из Италии и, вангую, что очень скоро, этого материала будет столько, что у всех волосы дыбом встанут. Почему бы не отрабатывать "лечебные мероприятия" на заболевших в своей стране? Никогда не поверю, в то, что это удобнее делать в Италии. Злые языки утверждают, что такая гуманность является продуктом "особых отношений" между "понятно кем" и "берлускони". Жаль, что у сабжа нет таких "особых отношений" с российским народом.... sad
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 25 March 2020 11: 24 New
          0
          Why is it all of a sudden? In cases such as the situation in Italy, several parameters are important that facilitate assistance.

          1. Profile. That is, the availability of specialists specifically for this type of threat.

          2. Efficiency. That is, these specialists should be ready to do the work right now, within the framework of an organized structure and having all the necessary equipment.

          3. Mobility. These should be mobile groups, which (with equipment!) Can be easily and quickly delivered to the infection zone by air.

          Есть и другие факторы, но эти основные. Кто из гражданских им соотвествует? Есть служба медицины катастроф Минздрава, с ВЦМК "Защита" и их полевым госпиталем и медэваком, есть Центроспас МЧС. Но и для тех и для других противоэпидемическая специализация вторична - основа их работы это спасение пострадавших в техногенных катастрофах и стихийных бедствиях.
          Well, where are such conditions in Russia to use their specialization?
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    3. Tzar
      Tzar 25 March 2020 12: 14 New
      0
      Quote: demo
      Weak people need help: Iran (we don’t hear our proposals), Syria (they don’t get infected?).

      Iran, like China, proudly manages itself. In Syria, there is currently 1 infected, who is there to help? The DPRK is isolated, the sovereign Old Man does not panic at all, in Cuba with Venezuela everything is also under control.
      Quote: demo
      Helping Italian people is humane, but not far-sighted.

      Just far-sighted, a good attitude of ordinary people can be very useful in the future.
      Quote: demo
      And why didn’t we (Russia), with the help of M. Simonyan, broadcast to the whole world that neither the USA nor the EU structures are doing anything for the ally?
      Why didn't you poke your nose in their own shit?

      Because government propaganda on the global epidemic is disgusting and will not bring anything good to the country.
      1. demo
        demo 25 March 2020 16: 58 New
        0
        Just far-sighted, a good attitude of ordinary people can be very useful in the future.
        Perfectly.
        Now the song contest will be held not in San Remo, but in Uryupinsk. hi
        Because government propaganda on the global epidemic is disgusting and will not bring anything good to the country.
        State propaganda, explaining the essence of action, brings only understanding.
        Worse, when state propaganda is waiting for the moment when it is necessary to refute someone else's state propaganda (this is about how Maria Zakharova and her employer behave).
        You must first find out that your help is accepted by the people, and not by the government of a country.
        After all, the Polish people now consider how?
        We Soviet people did not ask us to release you.
        I also consider Czechs and Slovaks. About the Austrians and Hungarians-Romanians already silent.
        So here will be the same crap.
        And the fact that the people cannot directly answer our government is from the category of guile.
        When necessary, they will write a petition and send hundreds of thousands of votes.
        You need? Do it.
        In short. I close the topic.
        I’ll wait a year or two. Then we recall who said what.
        If I was wrong, then I admit wrong.
        If not, then no.
  • Hypatius
    Hypatius 25 March 2020 10: 57 New
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    News from 2015:
    American biologists have created a deadly coronavirus for humans by experimenting with bats, according to the journal Nature.
    According to the publication, biologists have created a virus that can directly infect a person and cause his death. Researchers experimented with the creation of a hybrid of the bat coronavirus in China. They crossed the surface protein SHC014 with the SARS virus, which was taken from the lungs of bats. The result is a mutant virus. Tests have proved that it is able to develop very quickly and actively in the cells of the human body. The authors of the study consider their work significant. They managed to prove that this virus is deadly. Therefore, humanity is warned.
    However, the discovery caused heated debate in the scientific community. They argue not about its value, but about the possible leak of the virus from the laboratory. What this threatens the world, one can only guess. Scientists agree that the mutant virus can kill a lot of lives.

    https://rg.ru/2015/11/14/virus-site-anons.html
    https://www.nature.com/news/engineered-bat-virus-stirs-debate-over-risky-research-1.18787
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    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 25 March 2020 17: 44 New
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      You would read the original. The magazine cited the foregoing as a hypothesis,
      and at the end denied it.
      1. Hypatius
        Hypatius 25 March 2020 18: 27 New
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        Странно, только эта "опровергнутая гипотеза" шагает по планете, руша мировой экономический уклад. И даже европейские медики говорят, что вирус "странный". Т.е. перевести с "евроцензурного" можно, как искуственный или созданный биотеррористами.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 25 March 2020 19: 28 New
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          An artificial virus was created in 2015 jointly by Chinese and American scientists as part of a study of virus mutations. It was a non-military, and non-secret development.
          There were scientific publications about her. This virus has received an official number in the virus catalog.
          The current virus is DIFFERENT from that artificial and is NOT a mutation of that artificial.
          COVID19 confirmed the fears of Chinese and American scientists that such viruses will be able to move from animals to humans.
          1. Hypatius
            Hypatius 27 March 2020 08: 20 New
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            Of course, not this one specifically, after 5 years have passed. But the fact that the work was carried out (and is ongoing), incl. with bats, there is to be. But the natural mutations of the virus, as a result of the fact that the Chinese ate a bat that has eaten a snake, seem incredible to me.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 27 March 2020 08: 44 New
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              Thus began almost all viral epidemics. And bird flu, and swine, and Nile fever.
              A chain, for example: an animal infected with a virus bites a mosquito. This mosquito then bites the bird. Bird
              flies during a seasonal flight to another country. A local mosquito bites her there.
              And then bites a person. The man is sneezing. Done: The flu epidemic.
              No need to regularly drag conspiracies.
              Virologists study viruses, catalog and search for treatments.
              И их же потом недалекие и малообразованные люди обвиняют в "изобретении
              смертоносных вирусов".
              1. Hypatius
                Hypatius 27 March 2020 09: 00 New
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                Well I do not know. Just this:
                A chain, for example: an animal infected with a virus bites a mosquito. This mosquito then bites the bird. Bird
                flies during a seasonal flight to another country. A local mosquito bites her there.
                And then bites a person. The man is sneezing. Done: The flu epidemic.
                и выглядит неподтвежденной гипотезой. С точки здравого смысла, вообще откровенной дичью. И где, здесь мутация вируса, на каком этапе?Почему "естественным" образом томат не заполучил ген скорпиона на прояжении тысячелетий для защиты от колорадского жука.
                И их же потом недалекие и малообразованные люди обвиняют в "изобретении
                смертоносных вирусов".
                And how does this fit with this statement:
                An artificial virus was created in 2015 jointly by Chinese and American scientists as part of a study of virus mutations.
                . So the message about the mind (and logic) is to try on yourself.
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 27 March 2020 09: 05 New
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                  "С точки здравого смысла, вообще откровенной дичью. И где, здесь мутация вируса"///
                  ----
                  There is a very complex science - virology.
                  In quantum physics, there is no common sense whatsoever. Not the slightest. smile
                  Nevertheless, these are natural phenomena. Like viruses.
                  Further without me. hi
                  1. Hypatius
                    Hypatius 27 March 2020 09: 14 New
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                    There is a very complex science - virology.
                    Вот сам понял, что ничего не знаешь. И стоит тогда, торопиться называть других "недалекими и малообразованными". Тем более изначально, я дал просто факт для размышления.
  • wind
    wind 25 March 2020 11: 02 New
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    Wait a bunt of military counterintelligence will be added))))) ours will be under the guise of pasta will be arabovat, and all of our virologists while a mess and a racket
  • ELEZKIY
    ELEZKIY 25 March 2020 11: 23 New
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    In principle, everything is in our spirit. they are sanctions against us, an army near Stalingrad, plastic mines in Afghanistan. thousands of boys crippled. and we help them. Suvorov, medical expedition. Europe will thank us for this. but also in his own style.
  • ELEZKIY
    ELEZKIY 25 March 2020 11: 25 New
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    Quote: demo
    I am becoming more and more entrenched in the thought that our leadership, in the person of the main and auxiliary persons, is completely inadequate.
    Without taking into account the human factor, we can safely say that helping Russia to anyone does not bring it (Russia) absolutely nothing. In addition to spitting and insinuations against us.
    Надеяться на то, что вдруг "мировая общественность" оценит и прозреет - глупость несусветная.
    Достаточно вспомнить некоторые вехи нашей "дружбы" с "коллективным западом".
    Надежды на то, что мы являемся членами "мировой семьи народов":
    1. Winter Olympics in Sochi.
    2. World Cup champions.
    In reply?
    Doping scandal.
    "Отравление" Скрипалей и их кота.
    Absolutely, flirting (there is another synonym for action - licking) - these are the feelings that cause our steps towards Italy in particular, and to the whole West as a whole.
    Weak people need help: Iran (we don’t hear our proposals), Syria (they don’t get infected?).
    Help must be thankful and kind.
    Helping Italian people is humane, but not far-sighted.
    And why didn’t we (Russia), with the help of M. Simonyan, broadcast to the whole world that neither the USA nor the EU structures are doing anything for the ally?
    Why didn't you poke your nose in their own shit?
    Again we are afraid of infringing on the hegemon?
    Our steps should be such that then we do not have to blush for them.
    My late friend Fedor Fedorovich always used to say:
    "Not a single good deed will be punished."
    But at the same time, all his life, he was such a person.
    And constantly to him for good deeds poured shit on his head.
    This is probably the essence of the Russian people.

    truly
  • askort154
    askort154 25 March 2020 11: 27 New
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    As previously reported in the military department, Russia sent one of the fifteen laboratories of the Russian Chemical Forces Army, eight medical teams, about 100 military virologists and epidemiologists, and special equipment for diagnosis and disinfection to Italy.

    Whiners, turn your head on! Real testing and training of the readiness of the Armed Forces of Russia for biological warfare. At that, not with a transfer on ground transport interchanges, but with the BTA connection.
    Для ВТА так же необходимо - тренировка не только с ВДВ, но и с войсками химзащиты. Для всего этого, надо проводить учения на своей территории. Создавать розыгрыш "зоны био-заражений", в итоге расходы те же,но всё равно - это учения . А в данном случае, это уже не учения, а экзамен. И оценка качества учений на своей территории , и территории другой страны, несоизмеримы по своей значимости, для международного статуса государства.
  • Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 25 March 2020 12: 14 New
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    Well. Someone sends planes, and someone barks after ...
  • Voyta
    Voyta 25 March 2020 12: 52 New
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    https://rusvesna.su/news/1585126869
  • Voyta
    Voyta 25 March 2020 12: 53 New
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    Already gone to Bergamo convoy!
  • Amateur
    Amateur 25 March 2020 13: 13 New
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    В начале 70 годов войсками РХБЗ (радиационной, химической и бактериологической защиты) для быстрой локализации участков территории, зараженных химическими ОВ или бактериологическим оружием была разработана ТОС-1 "Буратино". В процессе эксплуатации выяснилось, что кроме микробов она прекрасно дезинфицирует и все остальные виды жизни, существующие на Земле максимально гуманным способом, т.к. никто ничего не успевает сообразить и уже тютю - дезинфекцирован.
    Interestingly, the disinfection of the city of Bergamo will be carried out by the armies of the Russian Chemical Forces with the use of modern means or, in the old fashion, with a syringe and tablets? crying
    1. iouris
      iouris 26 March 2020 16: 46 New
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      Там слишком много культурных ценностей, поэтому на сей раз приказано обойтись без "Буратины", хотя... это ж чисто итальянский персонаж.