The US press spoke about the "difficult conversation" trump with the Saudi prince on the topic of oil


The American press spoke about the appeal of Donald trump to the authorities of Saudi Arabia. As it turns out, the appeal is related to oil prices.


According to Politico, Trump spoke with Saudi Crown Prince Muhammad bin Salman that he should not oversaturated the market with “black gold”. The American media noted that the conversation took place on March 9 and was the first attempt by the US president "to explain to Saudi Arabia that the collapse in oil prices will not lead to anything good."

Trump told bin Salman that due to the proliferation of coronavirus, the oversaturation of the oil market could lead to extremely negative consequences for the global economy.

The White House official releases did not report Trump's conversation with Ben Salman about oil prices during the coronavirus pandemic.

About such a conversation, the journalists of the mentioned edition were informed by a certain former representative of the US administration who wished to remain anonymous. According to this ex-official, Trump’s conversation with the Saudi prince was difficult and at the end of the conversation, Trump literally stated the following:

I still want to make sure that we are on the same wavelength in this matter.

Trump also “asked” Ben Salman not to bring down oil prices. A Politico report also said that Trump reminded bin Salman of his support "at a time when Riyadh was among the outcasts." This, apparently, is about the situation with the case of the murdered journalist Khashoggi.

Against this background, literally every day several American companies that extract and process shale oil declare bankruptcy. The fact is that at a price of less than $ 30 per barrel of Brent crude oil, the “shale” business operates exclusively at a loss. Experts note that such a price adversely affects the economy of Saudi Arabia itself, which is based mainly on oil exports. In the United States, Riyadh is predicting the largest economic crisis in decades, if oil prices remain at their current level for several more months.
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  1. Aerodrome 25 March 2020 06: 15 New
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    The US press spoke about the "difficult conversation" trump with the Saudi prince on the topic of oil
    yeah .. "hard" the two talked with each other. (by the way, that drones did not fall on the Arab oil refineries for a long time)
    1. siberalt 25 March 2020 07: 03 New
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      From the collapse of oil prices, Saudi Arabia is losing four times more planned oil revenues than Russia. What will happen to the US defense if it is their main buyer of weapons? And a couple of months after these prices, the American shale oil industry will begin to collapse, like a house of cards. And what they will do with their dollar, unsecured domestic production, is a big question.
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 March 2020 07: 10 New
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        Nothing will happen to the dollar, since it has long been untied from domestic industrial production and is a world currency. And its course depends mainly on the solvency of the United States, and it is 100 percent, because theoretically the Fed can cover ANY obligations by launching a printing press. Actually, this is where the United States has been leaving for decades
        1. siberalt 25 March 2020 07: 14 New
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          If nothing happens, why does Trump persuade the Saudis not to lower oil prices, and the Chinese not to withdraw their enterprises from their industrial turnover?
          1. novel66 25 March 2020 07: 21 New
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            in the article there is - so that oil shale producers do not go broke
            1. krot 25 March 2020 07: 40 New
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              In the United States, Riyadh is predicting the largest economic crisis in decades, if oil prices remain at their current level for several more months.

              For me, so for several months if the price is at such a level, it will be great .. And the Saudis and the Stripes are ruined. We are solid pluses.
              1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 March 2020 07: 52 New
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                You have no pluses. The ruble will fall again, the dollar will cost 100-110 rubles, prices will climb up, and then oil will rise in price and Sechin and others will get even more rich.
                In general, for the Russian Federation this process will lead to further impoverishment of the bulk of the population and an increase in the number of billionaires
                1. krot 25 March 2020 08: 04 New
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                  Nobody forbids you to think primitively! Lack of education?
                  1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 March 2020 08: 19 New
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                    Nobody forbids you to think primitively!

                    Master Yoda?!:))))
                    Lack of education?

                    Oh yeah. Just something higher economic and 20 years of work by profession :)
                    1. krot 25 March 2020 08: 35 New
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                      "Willingly believe," especially the "higher"))
                      Oh yeah. Just something higher economic and 20 years of work by profession

                      It is said so, as if something sacred and not achievable for the majority)) Yes, and I know how they teach us economic education, especially in the 90s, where literally all universities suddenly began to punch economists ..))) And especially in Chelyabinsk! (I have nothing against the city itself) Correspondence students are a separate topic in general. Such would not allow to work in general, with rare exceptions. And the presence of crusts also does not mean the presence of education.
                      Master Yoda?!:))))

                      And yes, I’m a master, and I didn’t pass over to you.
                      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 March 2020 08: 44 New
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                        Your faith or disbelief of my higher does not cancel. And ChelSU, which I graduated in person according to the All-Russian certification, was then in the top 10 best universities in the Russian Federation
                        But the most funny thing is not this, but the fact that you, being absolutely unable to object on the merits of the issue, transferred it to my education :)))
                        And yes, I’m a master
                        .
                        Judging by your remarks, in your case this is not a qualification, but a diagnosis
                    2. ROSS_51 25 March 2020 16: 54 New
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                      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

                      Oh yeah. Just something higher economic and 20 years of work by profession :)

                      Not an argument. Perhaps you are a good economist, or maybe you have been in office for 20 years, simply because there are no more fools.
                      One thing is clear that the ruble also depends on political factors, you do not seem to take into account.
                      "Economic tales" about a free-floating ruble from the Central Bank eat yourself. Tomorrow, one uncle will say that in a week the course would be 30 / $, and he will be.
                      In the meantime, the course is exactly what the government needs.
                      The decrease of 5-10% is not particularly agitated, does not provoke a panicky buying up of the currency and even more snowball, will be raised to 55-60 / $ for voting in April and everything will be beautiful. After a successful and unanimous vote, they will be released back to "free."
                      And in the future, in the coming year, no global failures in the economy are likely to happen; ratings must be corrected.
                      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 March 2020 17: 23 New
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                        Quote: ROSS_51
                        Not an argument.

                        How cute!
                        So, I am making a small economic forecast. My opponent, instead of refuting it with arguments and facts or simply expressing his disagreement, declares that I, it turns out, probably thinks primitively and that I apparently lack education. Generally speaking, in a decent society, this is called to get away from the topic of discussion by going over to individuals, and for this they apply a face to the table - both figuratively and literally. But my opponent, apparently, did not teach good manners. And you too. In your opinion, should I reasonably prove that I am not a camel? :))) Oh well.
                        Quote: ROSS_51
                        Perhaps you are a good economist, or maybe you have been in office for 20 years, simply because there are no more fools.

                        Oleg, when you save at least one city-forming enterprise from bankruptcy, then perhaps your point of view on my professional suitability will interest me. In the meantime
                        "My dear Ripat! You forget that from the height of my origin the difference between the king and you is completely invisible. Goodbye!"

                        Quote: ROSS_51
                        "Economic tales" about a free-floating ruble from the Central Bank eat yourself.

                        Oleg, before you make me a menu, learn to read. WHERE did I write about the "free floating ruble"? Maybe here?
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        Oil collapse is an indirect cause. And the direct one is the actions of the Central Bank, dropping the ruble, to ensure a budget without deficits. Just the Central Bank does it because of falling oil prices

                        Quote: ROSS_51
                        And in the future, in the coming year, no global failures in the economy are likely to occur.

                        I will reveal a military secret. ALREADY. A dollar under 80 rubles is a "great" prerequisite for the crisis, and it is starting now. Just to those like you it will come a little later, when prices climb up, etc. And you have no idea what it takes to keep the company afloat when the dollar begins to grow.
                      2. ROSS_51 25 March 2020 23: 11 New
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                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        that I, it turns out, is probably thinking primitively and that I apparently lack education.

                        Not at all. Rather, I suggested some kind of professional deformation.
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        Oleg, when you save at least one city-forming enterprise from bankruptcy, then perhaps your point of view on my professional suitability will interest me.

                        Oh, do we have the Savior of the Fatherland here? Draws on the Hero of Labor of Russia. Have you recently been with Rotenberg near the Kremlin? Forgive my skepticism, but, given your nickname, to save the city-forming enterprise in our realities is not at all the level of the economist of this enterprise. And not even the Minister of Finance of the region. And there are not one such enterprises there.
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        WHERE did I write about the "free floating ruble"? Maybe here?

                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        Oil collapse is an indirect cause. And the direct one is the actions of the Central Bank, dropping the ruble, to ensure a budget without deficits. Just the Central Bank does it because of falling oil prices

                        Do you insert quotes from your other posts written later? I’m not your bibliographer; I don’t compile them into my collected works.
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        I will reveal a military secret. ALREADY. A dollar under 80 rubles is a "great" prerequisite for the crisis, and it is starting now. Just to those like you it will come a little later, when prices climb up, etc. And you have no idea what it takes to keep the company afloat when the dollar begins to grow.

                        Time will tell. I repeat, PMSM ruble is not being drained now, as in the 14th. Political interests over economic ones.
                      3. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 26 March 2020 18: 26 New
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                        Quote: ROSS_51
                        Not at all. Rather, I suggested some kind of professional deformation.

                        Judging by the fact that even after a direct indication that, according to the rules of good taste, the SUBJECT OF DISCUSSION should be discussed, and not the MAN HER, you continue the discussion of my many vices, I have to assume a very serious mental deviation in you.
                        Quote: ROSS_51
                        Oh, do we have the Savior of the Fatherland here? Draws on the Hero of Labor of Russia.

                        Like me, Heroes are not given. But to bring to administrative or even criminal - completely.
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                        Forgive my skepticism, but, given your nickname, to save the city-forming enterprise in our realities is not at all the level of the economist of this enterprise.

                        Skepticism, I forgive you with ease, but stupidity - dismiss. First, why did you decide that if I was from Chelyabinsk, then I pulled out the Chelyabinsk enterprises? During my life I worked in various cities, from St. Petersburg to Ulan-Ude, and in the conditions of the Far North I had to. Secondly, what a dull conclusion - if a person received an economic education, then he works as an economist. I have long been refined to the director of economics and finance.
                        Quote: ROSS_51
                        And not even the Minister of Finance of the region.

                        Free advice - do not write something that you do not understand at all. It is the management of this very enterprise that pulls out the enterprise, the owner, if he takes part in the management, can pull it out, but no official in the region or higher can and will not do this. He does not have such opportunities, even if he suddenly wakes up a desire. And yes, if suddenly you are overcome by skepticism, keep it with you. Unlike you, I personally communicated with this administration (up to the governor’s, the prosecutor of the region, etc.) personally in the crisis of 2008.
                        Quote: ROSS_51
                        Do you insert quotes from your other posts written later?

                        But lying is not good at all. Your post was
                        Quote: ROSS_51
                        ROSS_51 (Oleg) Yesterday, 16:54

                        The post from which my remark was taken was
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        Andrey from Chelyabinsk (Andrey) Yesterday, 09:24

                        That is, my post was BEFORE yours.
                        Quote: ROSS_51
                        I’m not your bibliographer; I don’t compile them into my collected works.

                        And nobody demands this from you. You are required to do something else. You wrote to me
                        Quote: ROSS_51
                        "Economic tales" about a free-floating ruble from the Central Bank eat yourself.

                        I asked you a question
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        WHERE did I write about the "free floating ruble"?

                        You accused me of being a storyteller. Kindly quote in which specific place I told these economic tales?
                        Waiting for an answer, like a nightingale of summer
                        Quote: ROSS_51
                        Time will tell. I repeat, PMSM ruble is not being drained now, as in the 14th. Political interests over economic ones.

                        Until a constitutional referendum was held - of course :)))
                      4. ROSS_51 28 March 2020 08: 03 New
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                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        You continue the discussion of my many vices, I have to assume in you a very serious mental deviation.

                        Oh, Andryusha, this post was not enough for the full picture))
                        You will be combing your teenage girls so beautifully, a serious person will split you up at the moment, and in places not so distant, of which you are worthy (according to your own words), they will split you to the buttocks.
                        I will not list all of your punctures in the picture into which you are trying to paint yourself, I will say only one thing ... you ba-la-bol (replace it with obscene and guess what I wanted to say).
                        Also, in bulk I forgive you all your rudeness, sorry to waste time poking you in your own litter.
                        I say goodbye to the sim and let you go on foot. I am sure that you have already studied the road thoroughly.
                      5. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 28 March 2020 09: 01 New
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                        Drain counted :)))
        2. Nastia makarova 25 March 2020 08: 22 New
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          for the dollar to become 100 it is necessary for oil to fall to 10
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 March 2020 08: 29 New
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            I'm afraid you are mistaken. In such crises, the fall rate of the ruble is -1,5-2 times, which gives us 90-120 rubles per dollar
            1. dzvero 25 March 2020 09: 01 New
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              You may be right, but I don’t understand something. Our lion is tightly attached to the euro (1.96 to 1). So, on the radio every day they declare the exchange rate. The last two weeks the ruble has been firmly worth 2.88 leva per 100 rubles (too lazy to count, but the trend is obvious). The dollar, however, jumped 5 euro cents. Is it possible that your domestic exchange rate is disconnected from international banking?
            2. Nastia makarova 25 March 2020 09: 38 New
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              wait for that bright day
          2. knn54 25 March 2020 08: 47 New
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            It is convenient to consider that the ruble collapsed due to falling oil prices.
            Something is not visible collapse of the Saudi riyal, the Norwegian krone. And the economies of these and several other countries are more dependent on oil prices than the Russian
            1. Andobor 25 March 2020 09: 02 New
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              Quote: knn54
              Something is not visible collapse of the Saudi riyal, the Norwegian krone. And the economies of these and several other countries are more dependent on oil prices than the Russian

              The kroon fell more than the ruble, and the rial is strictly tied to the dollar, this jamb will kill the Saudis if they do nothing in the near future.
              1. knn54 25 March 2020 09: 35 New
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                Andobor and Co.
                - Only the Mexican peso collapsed more than the ruble.
                - Oil is tied to the dollar, hence the term "petrodollar." At one time, the Saudis very toughly bent the United States and the Yanese-Israel searched for the dollar a replacement for the gold equivalent. Therefore, the Saudis sell oil only for dollars.
                The Canadian dollar (and who is not tied) is also tied to the buck, so what?
              2. ROSS_51 25 March 2020 23: 16 New
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                Quote: Andobor

                The kroon fell more than the ruble, and the rial is strictly tied to the dollar, this jamb will kill the Saudis if they do nothing in the near future.

                Oh, and the crown then fell a lot, taking into account the drawdown of the ruble. To hell with the dollar, is it time to take the crown?))
              3. 16329 26 March 2020 20: 00 New
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                All investment funds have been playing with Krona for a long time, in principle, probably, it makes sense
          3. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 March 2020 09: 24 New
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            Oil collapse is an indirect cause. And the direct one is the actions of the Central Bank, dropping the ruble, to ensure a budget without deficits. Just the Central Bank does it because of falling oil prices
          4. Nastia makarova 25 March 2020 09: 39 New
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            everyone fell who sits on the oil industry
          5. Vadim237 25 March 2020 13: 09 New
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            Just unlike our budget - their budgets do not have such huge expenses for the army infrastructure, etc., and they do not have a mandatory program in the form of May decrees, so ours drove the ruble down as this is the best and most important quick way to avoid loss financial mass from the export of all materials and products.
        3. Malyuta 25 March 2020 08: 55 New
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          Quote: Nastia Makarova
          for the dollar to become 100 it is necessary for oil to fall to 10

          There is no direct dependence on objective factors, but on the desire of the authorities to fill the budget in the absence of currency with a depreciated ruble, this is an objective reality. Hence, the fall of the ruble after the vote on April 22 can be completely unpredictable !!!
          And this citizen will explain everything popularly to you about your "benefits", if you use their terminology, then they will "divorce suckers a little thinner."
        4. vadimtt 25 March 2020 14: 01 New
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          Quote: Nastia Makarova
          for the dollar to become 100 it is necessary for oil to fall to 10

          Up to 20 is enough for 100 bucks. But my DL-forecasts do not show oil in less than 25. But the market is a market, he does not care about forecasts laughing Therefore, having completed the initial purchases, we sit on the fence and observe good
      2. Malyuta 25 March 2020 08: 48 New
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        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        You have no pluses. The ruble will fall again, the dollar will cost 100-110 rubles, prices will climb up, and then oil will rise in price and Sechin and others will get even more rich.
        In general, for the Russian Federation this process will lead to further impoverishment of the bulk of the population and an increase in the number of billionaires

        Comrade, if the Saudis already sell oil to Europe at discounts of $ 10, then as a result there will be no one to sell Russian oil, accordingly there will be no currency inflow, hence the dollar will grow not to 100, but at least to 150. But here you still have to take into account the situation with a virus that cannot be predicted and both of these factors may overlap with the emerging political crisis within the country. And our government, due to incompetence, will not be able to answer any of these challenges.
        1. dragy52rus 25 March 2020 09: 16 New
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          do they deliver oil to Europe by teleport? do you understand how much more tankers need to be built to replace Russian oil?
          1. Malyuta 25 March 2020 09: 27 New
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            Quote: dragy52rus
            do they deliver oil to Europe by teleport? do you understand how much more tankers need to be built to replace Russian oil?

            Can you read? I repeat for you personally, a discount of 10 dollars !!!!
            And now you have a question, why Russian oil figures, who built a terminal in India, by the way, for budget money, can’t bring Venezuelan oil to it?
            And who is now selling oil to India and at what discounts? And when you answer these questions and think a little, then you will open to seises wink
            1. dragy52rus 25 March 2020 09: 49 New
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              you don’t know how to read a campaign. even if they offer it for free, they will still buy Russian oil. if the oil is physically unable to deliver, then how will the consumer receive it?
              about India and leaders are not in the know, you better ask them. oil from Venezuela where does it go?
            2. Malyuta 25 March 2020 15: 16 New
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              Quote: dragy52rus
              you don’t know how to read a campaign. even if they offer it for free, they will still buy Russian oil. if the oil is physically unable to deliver, then how will the consumer receive it?

              I don’t know how old you are and what year you were born from PX, but I’m sure that that year there was either a drought, or a flood, or some thread of a planetary parade combined with solar activity and volcanic activity .. and most likely the year was bullshit and Monday and it was precisely the 29th of February ....
              You look at the globe, then the National Geographic channel, which tells you that the tanker fleet still exists. Karl! Then you look through school textbooks, from where it turns out for you that sea and river transport is the cheapest in the world !!! In the meantime, do not master the basics, do not meddle with your children's comments in adult topics. bully
              As for Venezuelan oil, I explain that Rosneft has a “black mark of sanctions” and shipowners don’t want to charter vessels (tankers) for them, and Sechin and hero Rotenberg haven’t thought of a pipe through the Atlantic laughing but apparently thinking already on the way wassat
              therefore, Rosneft's Venezuelan oil is wandering in the Venezuelan marshes, while the Indians calmly and happily buy oil from Arabia at a discount of 8 raccoons per barrel!
              Is it clear now? hello to parents! laughing
            3. dragy52rus 26 March 2020 08: 32 New
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              I don’t know how old you are and what year you were born from PX, but I’m sure that that year there was either a drought, or a flood, or some thread of a planetary parade combined with solar activity and volcanic activity .. and most likely the year was bullshit and Monday and it was precisely the 29th of February ....
              You look at the globe, then the National Geographic channel, which tells you that the tanker fleet still exists. Karl!
              Then look through the math textbook, where you will learn the numbers. after you realize that the number of items is of course. those. in the presence of 100 tankers and the need of 200, 200 tankers will not be there, but there will still be the same 100 tankers, and since there is no magic wand, it is necessary +100 not to appear.
              In the meantime, do not master the basics, do not meddle with your children's comments in adult topics.
    2. Nastia makarova 25 March 2020 09: 41 New
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      The United States is demanding from the Saudis that they raise prices, the low price will not be long
      and about Europe they will sell all the same, even at a loss
  2. Souchastnik 25 March 2020 09: 11 New
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    and then oil will rise in price

    And our gas prices will continue to rise from 48 rubles. farther. We will sell sled dogs, bicycles and scooters will become more expensive than cars. In general, do not tell me, but ordinary people will not have enough for anyone.
    1. dragy52rus 25 March 2020 10: 43 New
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      but we don’t. 92 41 rubles.
  3. CSKA 25 March 2020 11: 24 New
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    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    and then oil will rise in price, and Sechin and others will get rich even more.

    Oh my God. Sechin what is the owner of Rosneft? What are you rubbish rubbish economist.
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    In general, for the Russian Federation this process will lead to further impoverishment of the bulk of the population

    How is it? From the fact that cars, laptops or smartphones will rise in price, the population is impoverished? Are we importing food?
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    increase the number of billionaires

    An economist with 20 years of experience, those oligarchs who own oil companies have become much poorer due to falling oil prices and when prices rise at best they will return what they lost, there will be no more billionaires.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 March 2020 17: 39 New
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      Quote: CSKA
      Oh my God. Sechin what is the owner of Rosneft? What are you rubbish rubbish economist.

      That is, the fact that Sechin s / z exceeds $ 1 million - that’s so, it’s not worth mentioning. And that additional bonus and other payments depend on the profitability of the company, you have no idea. And that Sechin owns Rosneft shares for almost $ 100 million - also by you.
      Quote: CSKA
      How is it? From the fact that cars, laptops or smartphones will rise in price, the population is impoverished? Are we importing food?

      Yes. That's what we deliver food. Not only in the form of purchased finished products (there are not many) but in the form of imported animal feed, imported equipment - from tractors to machine milking machines, seed stock, thoroughbred cattle and other cattle to improve herds, and so on and so forth. The same milk that you buy in stores is usually bottled with imported equipment. That is, today's village, and the food industry is very dependent on the dollar.
      And also, gasoline will go up in price, because companies will have to "beat off" the money lost on the export of gas and oil. Do you need to explain the consequences, or will you guess it yourself?
      Quote: CSKA
      An economist with 20 years of experience, those oligarchs who own oil companies have become much poorer due to falling oil prices and when prices rise at best they will return what they lost, there will be no more billionaires.

      Sergey, if you don’t know something, ask, I’ll tell you. The oligarchs earn from exports in dollars, but the costs are in rubles (the mining enterprises are Russian, they are serviced for rubles). So at the rate of 60 rubles / dollar there is some profit. Then - the collapse of prices, and the oligarch minimizes his losses - the ruble falls sharply down, the oligarch in dollars earns less, but also spends - less, because the ruble has fallen in price. And then the price comes back, but the trouble is that nobody will return the ruble to the rate of 60 rubles per dollar. And, starting at some point, the oligarch will live at the same level of dollar income, but less ruble spending than it was before.
      The ruble is depreciating, and the masses of people are impoverished in this. Oligarchs gobble up
  4. Vadim237 25 March 2020 13: 00 New
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    Sechin is the state manager put at the head of Rosneft’s leadership by the state’s leadership and without decisions from above, he won’t do anything on one scoreboard just like Novak, Miller and everyone else.
  5. ccsr 25 March 2020 17: 39 New
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    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    You have no pluses. The ruble will fall again, the dollar will cost 100-110 rubles, prices will climb up, and then oil will rise in price and Sechin and others will get even more rich.

    Can you confirm your forecast for the month of December with real numbers? If it does not come true, do you recognize yourself as a total amateur in matters of the world economy and recognize it here?
    I will try to return to your statement at the end of the year, so you will have to remember this forecast.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 26 March 2020 18: 38 New
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      Quote: ccsr
      Can you confirm your forecast for the month of December with real numbers?

      If, my opponent’s forecast comes true
      Quote: krot
      In the United States, Riyadh is predicting the largest economic crisis in decades, if oil prices remain at their current level for several more months.

      For me, so for several months if the price is at this level, it will be great ..

      then the probability of fulfilling my forecast will be very high
      Quote: ccsr
      If it does not come true, do you recognize yourself as a total amateur in matters of the global economy and recognize this here?

      In this case, I admit that my forecast was wrong. But I don’t see the slightest reason to recognize myself as an amateur. Forecast - he is the forecast, it involves choosing the most likely scenario from the available ones, and not declaring it the only possible one. For example, I see scenarios in which oil does not rise in price but the ruble does not fall, but I consider them extremely unlikely, since they require the coordinated and professional work of the government and the Central Bank, which I have never seen.
      1. ccsr 26 March 2020 19: 27 New
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        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        If, my opponent’s forecast comes true

        In fact, it is accepted that everyone is responsible for their words.
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        In this case, I admit that my forecast was wrong.

        We will stop on this.
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Forecast - he is the forecast,

        Maybe then you do not need to train analysts, but just guess at the coffee grounds? I think that you just need to be able to understand the flow of information, and draw conclusions based on common sense in order to understand what can expect us.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 27 March 2020 09: 48 New
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          In fact, it is accepted that everyone is responsible for their words.

          It is also customary not to tear these words out of the context in which they were spoken. I predicted the collapse of the ruble to 100 rubles per dollar and below, provided that oil prices remain at their current level for several months. Please log in :))))))
          We will stop on this
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          Accepted!:)
  • Roman12345678 25 March 2020 09: 52 New
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    We notice these "pluses" now .. although so far the reserves have only just begun to spend ..
    But the buck took off, prices also rose .. And this will happen every day ..
    In the best case, as long as the capsules are enough ..
    Actually, gobbling up what was saved up over the years is already an awesome "plus"
    Well, what will happen then .. Putin minus oil = Yeltsin ..
  • FRoman1984 26 March 2020 07: 46 New
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    In the United States, Riyadh is predicting the largest economic crisis in decades, if oil prices remain at their current level for several more months.

    For me, so for several months if the price is at such a level, it will be great .. And the Saudis and the Stripes are ruined. We are solid pluses.

    Are you sure you live in Russia? Who will benefit to us? Vova-Zero?
    I look, he plays taxes: he reduces some, introduces some - he “cares” about people and “stabilizes” the economy.
    He started this topic, as he lost market share from 24% to 17% over the past year. Spit on him people. The main thing is that the translator from Portuguese lived and pocket SurgutNG.
  • svoit 25 March 2020 12: 44 New
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    Why are they sorry? They will simply be bought cheaper and some will be covered for the time being, and some will work for the domestic market, in any case America will benefit
  • Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 March 2020 07: 25 New
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    Because Trump does not need bankruptcy of American producers of shale oil and gas. The United States invested a lot there, supported from the budget, but the industry will be covered with a copper basin at the current oil price.
    However, even if more than one is covered in the United States, and a couple of three industries per dollar, this will practically not affect.
    As for the Chinese, it’s clear that America is used to Chinese goods and there is nothing to replace them with.
    1. Malyuta 25 March 2020 09: 39 New
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      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      Because Trump does not need bankruptcy of American producers of shale oil and gas. The United States invested a lot there, supported from the budget, but the industry will be covered with a copper basin at the current oil price.

      Firstly, the importance of shale neti for America is greatly exaggerated by local propagandons and ranges from 0,5 to 1%. The second you do not take into account that the technology of oil shale production has changed technologically in the direction of cheapening.
      And third, and most importantly, that in the total mass of consumption no one will notice when recalculating prices, the states can quietly subsidize this industry and direct this oil to the domestic market and the price of oil shale will not affect the overall picture of prices in the general consumption of oil in the states !! !
      By the way, yesterday the price of gasoline in the United States, in terms of rubles and liters, amounted to 34 rubles for a liter of Midgrade, 89 AKI (approximately corresponds to the Russian AI-95)
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 March 2020 10: 25 New
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        Wrong address. You still read the comments, before fiercely overthrow them :)
        1. Malyuta 25 March 2020 14: 55 New
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          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          Wrong address. You still read the comments, before fiercely overthrow them :)

          I am very sorry, but apparently we did not understand each other. It happens... hi
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 26 March 2020 18: 39 New
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            Nothing terrible, indeed, happens! hi
  • Alex777 25 March 2020 16: 22 New
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    Nothing will happen to the dollar, since it has long been untied from domestic industrial production and is a world currency

    As an economist, you cannot but understand that when the Fed prints paper, then you receive an obligation for the goods. And the deal remains open ...
    On the other hand, when the dollar was untied from gold, it was tied to oil in return. We agreed with the Saudis that OPEC will sell oil only for dollars. EMNIP in 74g. I do not remember exactly.
    The United States destroyed the deal with Iran because Iran decided to sell oil not for dollars, but for euros, IMHO.
    Therefore, the EU still does not support these sanctions. Although he did not puff up, he could not support Iran.
    Trump called the prince, and Finance Minister Mnuchin met with Ambassador Antonov.
    The White House official releases did not report Trump's conversation with Ben Salman about oil prices during the coronavirus pandemic.

    There was a message.
    Although they are talking about sanctions against us and the Saudis, none of this will happen.
    With their own hands, the US will not bring down the dollar. hi
  • TermNachTer 25 March 2020 19: 02 New
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    You can never repeat the same scheme constantly, over time, an antidote will be found on it. Many countries abandon mattress treasure, so the situation is not so clear.
  • Voltsky 26 March 2020 14: 20 New
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    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    Nothing will happen to the dollar, since it has long been untied from domestic industrial production and is a world currency. And its course depends mainly on the solvency of the United States, and it is 100 percent, because theoretically the Fed can cover ANY obligations by launching a printing press. Actually, this is where the United States has been leaving for decades


    Well, you exaggerate, and greatly simplify; you can’t pump up the economy indefinitely with unsecured bucks, and thereby cover your obligations to creditors.
  • spirit 25 March 2020 07: 36 New
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    This is all a farce!. Shale workers make up a tiny fraction of the US budget + they can easily preserve everything in an emergency without much loss! But CHEAP !!!! gasoline in the USA is almost 100% likely to re-elect Trump, there is such a tradition if the fuel is cheaper then the president is doing it right) and re-electing it! Also, cheap oil is now very important for China, which needs to get out of the crisis. There is still a need to figure out under whose pressure Sechin acted taking into account the fact that ROSNEFT should China 35 yards. So cheap oil is now very important as the United States itself, and in particular Trump, is just as important to China since it was the first to get out of the epidemic and the first to make money on it, and for this, cheap oil is needed))) The Saudis themselves will lose their well and Russia of course hi
    1. bar
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      This is all a farce! Shale workers make up a tiny fraction of the budget

      You forget about such a trifle as a trade war with Russia and squeezing it out of the European energy market. The war against Russia's influence on Europe. There will be no striped shale oil and gas, there will be nothing to fight. And this is the end of hegemony. This does not compensate for cheap gasoline in the domestic market, it is a political fiasco.
      1. svoit 25 March 2020 12: 52 New
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        And you forget that Russia does not have state interests, but only the economies of individual oligarchs of the power.
  • mavrus 25 March 2020 07: 37 New
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    Whether the dollar will fall or not ...
    And the ruble has already become the most falling currency.
    1. Nastia makarova 25 March 2020 08: 24 New
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      we don’t get used to it already ((((
      1. krillon 25 March 2020 12: 41 New
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        Oh well. We didn’t live well, there’s nothing to start.
        1. Nastia makarova 25 March 2020 12: 44 New
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          exactly, we have this for centuries
  • Gennady Korsunov 25 March 2020 07: 57 New
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    Until the Saudis and the Americans slide down to our standard of living, we Russians will not see this !! But it’s a pity, I would like to see the collapsing house of cards of their oil industry, and especially what they will do with dollars. Maybe it’s not too late for them to switch to; (secured by production) rubles !!
    1. Nastia makarova 25 March 2020 08: 24 New
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      the garden will save us once again
    2. Souchastnik 25 March 2020 09: 15 New
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      Until the Saudis and the Americans slide down to our level

      Like a proverb: while a fat dries, a thin dies crying
  • kjhg 25 March 2020 09: 00 New
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    Quote: siberalt
    From the collapse of oil prices, Saudi Arabia is losing four times more planned oil revenues than Russia.

    Do not believe propaganda. Forgot the sermons from every iron that Ukraine will soon fall apart? This is the work of propaganda ... s - to lie, always lie about everything. The prince knows what to do and how to survive the ultra-low oil prices. Moreover, the SA is not alone. They declared war on our oil industry. Not speculators and not coronavirus. The CA and its allies fill the markets with oil, which Russia - Europe and China has always supplied.
    The latest information: SA, UAE, Kuwait and others have frozen inside their countries all assets belonging to Putin’s richest friends: Sechin, Timchenko and others. This is several tens of billions of dollars.
    a couple of months after these prices, the American shale oil industry will begin to collapse, like a house of cards.
    Just mothballed wells until better times. The bankruptcy of these companies does not mean the destruction of shale oil production. It’s just that those who have money will buy up the shares of these companies at a cheap price, the owners will change, who will start re-commissioning at any opportunity.
    In general, shales will survive this crisis. And Russia and its people?
    1. Voltsky 26 March 2020 14: 31 New
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      Quote: kjhg
      Forgot the sermons from every iron that Ukraine will soon fall apart?

      but she didn’t fall apart? :)

      It’s just that those who have money will buy up the shares of these companies at a cheap price, the owners will change, who will start re-commissioning at any opportunity.

      Do you, as an investor, look positively at an asset that can be placed at the click of a finger? :)

      The latest information: SA, UAE, Kuwait and others have frozen inside their countries all assets belonging to Putin’s richest friends: Sechin, Timchenko and others. This is several tens of billions of dollars.

      I haven’t heard this, can I refer? :)
  • vkl.47 25 March 2020 07: 13 New
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    Demarcation should be done. As usual.
    1. novel66 25 March 2020 07: 22 New
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      there the people snickering, you won’t shake it
      1. vkl.47 25 March 2020 07: 40 New
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        You can hire through local youth. By promising them under the new government nishtyaki. Money everyone loves.
        1. Insurgent 25 March 2020 08: 26 New
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          Missed IMPORTANT DETAIL.

          "Well, so as not to the detriment of us": Trump and the Saudi prince entered into an oil conspiracy against Russia - Politico

          Trump is reportedly having telephone calls with Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia Mohammed bin Salman. During the conversation, the US president said that he had nothing against the plans of the Saudis to oust Russia from the oil markets by increasing the extraction of black gold. However Trump asked the Saudi crown prince to carefully monitor energy prices and avoid a situation in which the cost of oil would drop so much that it would harm American producers.
          1. Aerodrome 25 March 2020 09: 12 New
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            Quote: Insurgent
            MOST IMPORTANT DETAILS MISSED.

            I talked about this yesterday, but people don’t believe ... request
            1. Insurgent 25 March 2020 09: 14 New
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              Quote: Aerodrome
              I talked about this yesterday, but people don’t believe ...

              Yes here is a link to them:

              https://yandex.ua/turbo?text=https%3A%2F%2Ftsargrad.tv%2Fnews%2Fnu-chtoby-nam-ne-v-ushherb-tramp-i-saudovskij-princ-vstupili-v-neftjanoj-sgovor-protiv-rossii-politico_244379


              Tsar Grad.TV
          2. Voltsky 26 March 2020 14: 38 New
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            Quote: Insurgent
            Trump and the Saudi prince entered into an oil conspiracy against Russia

            And How ?! Trump forever offers to enter into something, now in shit, then in conspiracy.
            Is the alliance between the SGA and the cartel already valid and operational ?! Did representatives of these countries come out with an announcement? Are there reasons to believe that this alliance is in force and steps are already being taken to coordinate actions ?!

            If not, then I suggest you continue to panic, but for now I'll see :)
      2. Andobor 25 March 2020 09: 05 New
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        Quote: novel xnumx
        there the people snickering, you won’t shake it

        And they do not need to swing, the lack of toilet paper from kills.
  • knn54 25 March 2020 10: 10 New
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    Mistake, I think. Came out. The American media were supposed to print "this material" on April 1.
  • cherkas.oe 25 March 2020 12: 10 New
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    Quote: Aerodrome
    (by the way, that drones did not fall on Arab NPs for a long time

    It’s not yet evening, when the weakest shale companies all go bankrupt, then those who remain will be thrown into drones and buying up bankrupt ones. Everything will be accepted as "they" accepted - "business and nothing personal" yes .
  • primaala 26 March 2020 10: 59 New
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    Quote: Aerodrome
    The US press spoke about the "difficult conversation" trump with the Saudi prince on the topic of oil
    yeah .. "hard" the two talked with each other. (by the way, that drones did not fall on the Arab oil refineries for a long time)

    "heat up" the Saudis. Stopudovo. Not that they wear a fan. Oh NOT !!! )))
    Yankees performers. Behind their polit \ back there are other "players".
  • Valery Valery 25 March 2020 06: 17 New
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    But now, Tamogavki can fly towards the Saudis.
    1. Ross xnumx 25 March 2020 06: 29 New
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      Quote: Valery Valery
      But now, Tamogavki can fly towards the Saudis.

      It's easier to remember a steamed turnip: husband to wife:
      - Tom!
      - Gavk!
      wassat
    2. novel66 25 March 2020 07: 22 New
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      good, goals there ...
      1. dzvero 25 March 2020 09: 08 New
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        good, goals there ...
        one-two and miscalculated. Half ammunition of one Arly Burke. Only hardly tomahawks will be shot. A couple of dozens of drones mowing under the Hussito-Iranian and you can put out the light in the kingdom and breathe deeply the air of freedom across the ocean ...
  • Scipio 25 March 2020 06: 20 New
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    It’s strange that I asked, but did not order!
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    2. Victor_B 25 March 2020 06: 26 New
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      Quote: Scipio
      It’s strange that I asked, but did not order!

      Have you stood next to the candle?
      Maybe Trump rolled it up and threatened Tomogawks.
      And in general, he personally promised the ax the bashka, like Suleimani.
  • Gene84 25 March 2020 06: 21 New
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    Trump also “asked” bin Salman not to bring down oil prices.

    As a result, what did the parties agree on? Does Saudi Arabia obey Trump or not?
    daily, several American companies producing and processing shale oil declare bankruptcy.

    Something tells me, they go bankrupt for a reason, but for insurance. Everything is insured in the USA.
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  • Retvizan 8 25 March 2020 06: 25 New
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    Well, it’s easier for the States to negotiate with the Saudis, because their money is in American banks.
    If anything, you can go to the already checked pressure using blackmail and threats.
  • Retvizan 8 25 March 2020 06: 31 New
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    Well, since Donya Trump himself started rolling up and started calling Prynts, the situation with the oil is not so harmless for the Hegimons.
  • rocket757 25 March 2020 06: 38 New
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    I still want to make sure that we are on the same wavelength in this matter.

    On the waves, on the waves .... it looks like a strong "bamboo" was caught ... well, so no one made him smoke! themselves, themselves, themselves ....
    1. novel66 25 March 2020 07: 23 New
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      well, trump is an experienced surfer. does not sink
      1. rocket757 25 March 2020 08: 19 New
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        For each, each there is its own "perfect wave"!
    2. Mountain shooter 25 March 2020 07: 27 New
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      The result was a “perfect storm” ... the Saudis did not listen, and quarantine on the “crown” sharply launched the US economy into a tailspin. And the "shale" was the first to sprinkle ... Insurance there would not save anyone much. Insurance companies are also “credited”, and with a large number of insured events they will start to “fall” ... Banks follow. Trump wants to prevent these “chains” ... Filling TRILLIONS of liquidity. And then the Democrats scrap him in the wheel !!! According to them, "the barn burns, burn and the hut" ... but Trump will not be elected for the second term tongue
      1. rocket757 25 March 2020 08: 18 New
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        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        And then the Democrats scrap him in the wheel !!! According to them, "the barn burns, burn and the hut" ... but Trump will not be elected for the second term

        I heard, more than once such assumptions have been made, one can say statements!
        Great play out! In such a “game” there are simply no rules, and how many chips will fly around in all directions, while they will cut the Baobab, named Trump, they won’t count!
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          Knowing the inability of US politicians to foresee their actions even half a step ahead, as if "cutting the baobab" did not lead to the "trimming" of the elite in general and the United States in particular. The large cupboard falls louder. Of course, it can be supported, but after the point of no return it cannot be held. You can only bounce. Standing under it is not recommended. smile
          1. rocket757 25 March 2020 09: 17 New
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            Of course, you can back it up,

            AND BY WHOM? There, you don’t look at anyone, everything is in a “risk group” .... it’s not for nothing that Satanovsky claimed that VIRUS would win !!!
            1. dzvero 25 March 2020 09: 22 New
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              Printing press, which is demonstrated. But, apparently, without much success. It was not in vain that Trump announced yesterday that two weeks of quarantine is enough and generally enough for his pants to sit out, it’s time for everyone to work, to make America great again.
              1. rocket757 25 March 2020 09: 27 New
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                Quote: dzvero
                It's time for everyone to work, to make America great again.

                A reasonable slogan ... let's see how it goes.
  • rotmistr60 25 March 2020 06: 39 New
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    Americans, as usual, at first enthusiastically scatter stones, and then begin to collect them, which is much more difficult.
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      rotmistr60..... Americans, as usual, first enthusiastically scatter stones, and then begin to collect them, which is much more difficult.

      I can’t remember where the Americans "collected stones" ?! hi
  • regdan 25 March 2020 06: 40 New
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    According to some newspaper there ...
  • Thrifty 25 March 2020 06: 46 New
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    And why not thank God in my comments? What their
    deleted? ?? negative
  • Pessimist22 25 March 2020 06: 54 New
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    The Saudi Wahhabis decided to squeeze out part of the oil market, will they manage it themselves?
  • Kerensky 25 March 2020 06: 54 New
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    The journalists of the mentioned publication were told by a certain former representative of the US administration who wished to remain anonymous.

    AND? What are we discussing? Of course there is such a term: "site content" ...
  • Mitroha 25 March 2020 06: 58 New
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    Trump started to fuss. This means that talk about the expensive in the production of shale oil and the low margin of safety of the "shale" oil companies was justified, although many "experts", including here, at VO, stated the opposite.
    1. Vasyan1971 25 March 2020 12: 08 New
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      Quote: Mitroha
      Trump started to fuss.

      He has his own interest.
      https://ria.ru/20200325/1569102962.html
  • Graz 25 March 2020 08: 35 New
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    Saudis need to be bombed, if the Americans do it the better
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    I think the Chinese horse will jump faster due to the virus. China, go on, stocking up cheap oil, for the jump. request
  • Mentat 25 March 2020 11: 28 New
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    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    You have no pluses. The ruble will fall again, the dollar will cost 100-110 rubles, prices will climb up, and then oil will rise in price and Sechin and others will get even more rich.
    In general, for the Russian Federation this process will lead to further impoverishment of the bulk of the population and an increase in the number of billionaires

    You are carrying pseudo-communist nonsense under the guise of economic education, and the advantages are not sensible people, but the same pensioners, who are still standing on the word "communism", which you mislead for fun.

    If you have a real economic education, you all perfectly understand why this is happening and what global bonuses Russia will receive in the event of a favorable end to this campaign. However, you prefer to work as a butterfly catcher, giggling joyfully and jumping on the lawn. Ah, sorry, a plus sign catcher, jumping with stupid comments on the forum.
    1. svoit 25 March 2020 13: 32 New
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      Russia can increase production to 12 million barrels for $ 30-35, and this is called a bonus?
  • Vasyan1971 25 March 2020 12: 07 New
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    One small nuance not reflected in the article:
    Trump supported Saudi Arabia’s plans to oust Russia from the oil markets by boosting fuel production and generally endorsed Riyadh’s plans, but asked for “prices not to fall too low so as not to hurt US producers.”

    https://ria.ru/20200325/1569102962.html
  • ROSS_51 25 March 2020 16: 28 New
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    Trump spoke with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman that it would not be worth to oversaturate the market with "black gold".

    Yes, yes .. otherwise it prevents the market from being oversaturated with American oil shale.
    Trump is just a burnt bargainer and in diplomacy like an elephant in a china shop.
  • Mentat 25 March 2020 16: 34 New
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    Quote: Malyuta
    Quote: dragy52rus
    do they deliver oil to Europe by teleport? do you understand how much more tankers need to be built to replace Russian oil?

    Can you read? I repeat for you personally, a discount of 10 dollars !!!!
    And now you have a question, why Russian oil figures, who built a terminal in India, by the way, for budget money, can’t bring Venezuelan oil to it?
    And who is now selling oil to India and at what discounts? And when you answer these questions and think a little, then you will open to seises wink

    The only "sesame" that can open when reading your comments is that you put on a new pan model like a colander "for protection from the Russian world", according to the Central European fashion, and you carry such nonsense that a sensible person will not write, he won’t read she cannot because of colic from laughter.

    What audience are your scribbles intended for? Once again I repeat to you and the like, your curators, that these stupid people do not understand the difference between societies where color revolutions were possible and Russia where it is fundamentally impossible, especially with such an “opposition”.

    All your scribbles are for one purpose: "to sow panic and doubt." Have you tried, or rather, your curators, composing "ingenious texts of influence", to read these words? Sow panic in the Russians? They generally do not understand either Russia or its people.
    1. ML-334 26 March 2020 19: 50 New
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      Pans have already grown into their heads, one thing is good, you can immediately determine the nationality of a given individual from them.
  • Gennady Fomkin 25 March 2020 16: 51 New
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    Come salman download more laughing In chess, there is a concept called “silent move”. This is a small movement of the figure, not associated with beautiful victims, direct threats, but suddenly disarming the enemy. This is such an action, after which it becomes clear - victory is not far off. Quiet moves are rare and give no less pleasure than enchanting combinations. laughing Wait and see.
  • NF68 25 March 2020 18: 21 New
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    Its shirt is closer to the body.
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    I see no one reason why Prince Mohammed should have agreed with Trump; he cannot provide the necessary support, nor can he or will he want to put pressure on the rivals of the kingdom at the required level.
    And the most important thing is to threaten, at the right level he cannot either, because the Saudis are reinsured during the time by everyone who needs to annoy the SGA, including the Russian Federation.
  • FRoman1984 26 March 2020 07: 37 New
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    Quote: siberalt
    From the collapse of oil prices, Saudi Arabia is losing four times more planned oil revenues than Russia. What will happen to the US defense if it is their main buyer of weapons? And a couple of months after these prices, the American shale oil industry will begin to collapse, like a house of cards. And what they will do with their dollar, unsecured domestic production, is a big question.

    This dollar is provided by you, including (along with the rest of the world), buying goods of American companies such as Intel, Apple, HP, Boeing, etc.
    You do not know the economy well.