The US press spoke about the "difficult conversation" trump with the Saudi prince on the topic of oil

The American press spoke about the appeal of Donald trump to the authorities of Saudi Arabia. As it turns out, the appeal is related to oil prices.

According to Politico, Trump spoke with Saudi Crown Prince Muhammad bin Salman that he should not oversaturated the market with “black gold”. The American media noted that the conversation took place on March 9 and was the first attempt by the US president "to explain to Saudi Arabia that the collapse in oil prices will not lead to anything good."

Trump told bin Salman that due to the proliferation of coronavirus, the oversaturation of the oil market could lead to extremely negative consequences for the global economy.

The White House official releases did not report Trump's conversation with Ben Salman about oil prices during the coronavirus pandemic.

About such a conversation, the journalists of the mentioned edition were informed by a certain former representative of the US administration who wished to remain anonymous. According to this ex-official, Trump’s conversation with the Saudi prince was difficult and at the end of the conversation, Trump literally stated the following:

I still want to make sure that we are on the same wavelength in this matter.

Trump also “asked” Ben Salman not to bring down oil prices. A Politico report also said that Trump reminded bin Salman of his support "at a time when Riyadh was among the outcasts." This, apparently, is about the situation with the case of the murdered journalist Khashoggi.

Against this background, literally every day several American companies that extract and process shale oil declare bankruptcy. The fact is that at a price of less than $ 30 per barrel of Brent crude oil, the “shale” business operates exclusively at a loss. Experts note that such a price adversely affects the economy of Saudi Arabia itself, which is based mainly on oil exports. In the United States, Riyadh is predicting the largest economic crisis in decades, if oil prices remain at their current level for several more months.

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[Aerodrome]

The US press spoke about the "difficult conversation" trump with the Saudi prince on the topic of oil

aha .. "difficult" we talked two from the start. (by the way, drones haven’t fallen on Arab refineries for a long time)

[siberalt]

From the collapse of oil prices, Saudi Arabia is losing four times more planned oil revenues than Russia. What will happen to the US defense if it is their main buyer of weapons? And a couple of months after these prices, the American shale oil industry will begin to collapse, like a house of cards. And what they will do with their dollar, unsecured domestic production, is a big question.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Nothing will happen to the dollar, since it has long been untied from domestic industrial production and is a world currency. And its course depends mainly on the solvency of the United States, and it is 100 percent, because theoretically the Fed can cover ANY obligations by launching a printing press. Actually, this is where the United States has been leaving for decades

[siberalt]

If nothing happens, why does Trump persuade the Saudis not to lower oil prices, and the Chinese not to withdraw their enterprises from their industrial turnover?

[novel66]

in the article there is - so that oil shale producers do not go broke

[krot]

In the United States, Riyadh is predicting the largest economic crisis in decades, if oil prices remain at their current level for several more months.

For me, so for several months if the price is at such a level, it will be great .. And the Saudis and the Stripes are ruined. We are solid pluses.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

You have no pluses. The ruble will fall again, the dollar will cost 100-110 rubles, prices will climb up, and then oil will rise in price and Sechin and others will get even more rich.
In general, for the Russian Federation this process will lead to further impoverishment of the bulk of the population and an increase in the number of billionaires

[krot]

Nobody forbids you to think primitively! Lack of education?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Nobody forbids you to think primitively!

Master Yoda?!:))))

Lack of education?

Oh yeah. Just something higher economic and 20 years of work by profession :)

[krot]

"I readily believe", especially the "higher"))

Oh yeah. Just something higher economic and 20 years of work by profession

It is said so, as if something sacred and not achievable for the majority)) Yes, and I know how they teach us economic education, especially in the 90s, where literally all universities suddenly began to punch economists ..))) And especially in Chelyabinsk! (I have nothing against the city itself) Correspondence students are a separate topic in general. Such would not allow to work in general, with rare exceptions. And the presence of crusts also does not mean the presence of education.

Master Yoda?!:))))

And yes, I’m a master, and I didn’t pass over to you.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Your faith or disbelief of my higher does not cancel. And ChelSU, which I graduated in person according to the All-Russian certification, was then in the top 10 best universities in the Russian Federation
But the most funny thing is not this, but the fact that you, being absolutely unable to object on the merits of the issue, transferred it to my education :)))

And yes, I’m a master

.
Judging by your remarks, in your case this is not a qualification, but a diagnosis

[ROSS_51]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Oh yeah. Just something higher economic and 20 years of work by profession :)

Not an argument. Perhaps you are a good economist, or maybe you have been in office for 20 years, simply because there are no more fools.
One thing is clear that the ruble also depends on political factors, you do not seem to take into account.
Eat "Economic Tales" about a free floating ruble from the Central Bank yourself. Tomorrow one uncle will say that in a week the course will be 30 / $, and it will be.
In the meantime, the course is exactly what the government needs.
A decrease of 5-10% is not particularly agiotage, it does not provoke a panic buying of currency and an even greater "snowball", it will be raised to 55-60 / $ by the vote in April and everything will be beautiful. After a successful and unanimous vote, they will be released back to "free".
And in the future, in the coming year, no global failures in the economy are likely to happen; ratings must be corrected.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: ROSS_51

Not an argument.

How cute!
So, I am making a small economic forecast. My opponent, instead of refuting it with arguments and facts or simply expressing his disagreement, declares that I, it turns out, probably thinks primitively and that I apparently lack education. Generally speaking, in a decent society, this is called to get away from the topic of discussion by going over to individuals, and for this they apply a face to the table - both figuratively and literally. But my opponent, apparently, did not teach good manners. And you too. In your opinion, should I reasonably prove that I am not a camel? :))) Oh well.

Quote: ROSS_51

Perhaps you are a good economist, or maybe you have been in office for 20 years, simply because there are no more fools.

Oleg, when you save at least one city-forming enterprise from bankruptcy, then perhaps your point of view on my professional suitability will interest me. In the meantime

"My dear Ripat! You forget that from the height of my origin, the difference between the king and you is completely invisible. Goodbye!"

Quote: ROSS_51

Eat "Economic Tales" about a free floating ruble from the Central Bank yourself.

Oleg, before you compose a menu for me, learn to read. WHERE did I write about the "free floating ruble"? Maybe right here?

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Oil collapse is an indirect cause. And the direct one is the actions of the Central Bank, dropping the ruble, to ensure a budget without deficits. Just the Central Bank does it because of falling oil prices

Quote: ROSS_51

And in the future, in the coming year, no global failures in the economy are likely to occur.

I will reveal a military secret. ALREADY. A dollar under 80 rubles is an "excellent" precondition for a crisis, and it starts now. It's just that it will come to people like you a little later, when prices climb up, etc. And you have no idea what it takes to keep businesses afloat when the dollar starts to rise.

[ROSS_51]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

that I, it turns out, is probably thinking primitively and that I apparently lack education.

Not at all. Rather, I suggested some kind of professional deformation.

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Oleg, when you save at least one city-forming enterprise from bankruptcy, then perhaps your point of view on my professional suitability will interest me.

Oh, do we have the Savior of the Fatherland here? Draws on the Hero of Labor of Russia. Have you recently been with Rotenberg near the Kremlin? Forgive my skepticism, but, given your nickname, to save the city-forming enterprise in our realities is not at all the level of the economist of this enterprise. And not even the Minister of Finance of the region. And there are not one such enterprises there.

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

WHERE did I write about the "free floating ruble"? Maybe right here?

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Oil collapse is an indirect cause. And the direct one is the actions of the Central Bank, dropping the ruble, to ensure a budget without deficits. Just the Central Bank does it because of falling oil prices

Do you insert quotes from your other posts written later? I’m not your bibliographer; I don’t compile them into my collected works.

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

I will reveal a military secret. ALREADY. A dollar under 80 rubles is an "excellent" precondition for a crisis, and it starts now. It's just that it will come to people like you a little later, when prices climb up, etc. And you have no idea what it takes to keep businesses afloat when the dollar starts to rise.

Time will tell. I repeat, PMSM ruble is not being drained now, as in the 14th. Political interests over economic ones.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: ROSS_51

Not at all. Rather, I suggested some kind of professional deformation.

Judging by the fact that even after a direct indication that, according to the rules of good taste, the SUBJECT OF DISCUSSION should be discussed, and not the MAN HER, you continue the discussion of my many vices, I have to assume a very serious mental deviation in you.

Quote: ROSS_51

Oh, do we have the Savior of the Fatherland here? Draws on the Hero of Labor of Russia.

Like me, Heroes are not given. But to bring to administrative or even criminal - completely.

Quote: ROSS_51

Forgive my skepticism, but, given your nickname, to save the city-forming enterprise in our realities is not at all the level of the economist of this enterprise.

Skepticism, I forgive you with ease, but stupidity - dismiss. First, why did you decide that if I was from Chelyabinsk, then I pulled out the Chelyabinsk enterprises? During my life I worked in various cities, from St. Petersburg to Ulan-Ude, and in the conditions of the Far North I had to. Secondly, what a dull conclusion - if a person received an economic education, then he works as an economist. I have long been refined to the director of economics and finance.

Quote: ROSS_51

And not even the Minister of Finance of the region.

Free advice - do not write something that you do not understand at all. It is the management of this very enterprise that pulls out the enterprise, the owner, if he takes part in the management, can pull it out, but no official in the region or higher can and will not do this. He does not have such opportunities, even if he suddenly wakes up a desire. And yes, if suddenly you are overcome by skepticism, keep it with you. Unlike you, I personally communicated with this administration (up to the governor’s, the prosecutor of the region, etc.) personally in the crisis of 2008.

Quote: ROSS_51

Do you insert quotes from your other posts written later?

But lying is not good at all. Your post was

Quote: ROSS_51

ROSS_51 (Oleg) Yesterday, 16:54

The post from which my remark was taken was

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Andrey from Chelyabinsk (Andrey) Yesterday, 09:24

That is, my post was BEFORE yours.

Quote: ROSS_51

I’m not your bibliographer; I don’t compile them into my collected works.

And nobody demands this from you. You are required to do something else. You wrote to me

Quote: ROSS_51

Eat "Economic Tales" about a free floating ruble from the Central Bank yourself.

I asked you a question

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

WHERE did I write about the "free floating ruble"?

You accused me of being a storyteller. Kindly quote in which specific place I told these economic tales?
Waiting for an answer, like a nightingale of summer

Quote: ROSS_51

Time will tell. I repeat, PMSM ruble is not being drained now, as in the 14th. Political interests over economic ones.

Until a constitutional referendum was held - of course :)))

[ROSS_51]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

You continue the discussion of my many vices, I have to assume in you a very serious mental deviation.

Oh, Andryusha, this post was not enough for the full picture))
You will be combing your teenage girls so beautifully, a serious person will split you up at the moment, and in places not so distant, of which you are worthy (according to your own words), they will split you to the buttocks.
I will not list all of your punctures in the picture into which you are trying to paint yourself, I will say only one thing ... you ba-la-bol (replace it with obscene and guess what I wanted to say).
Also, in bulk I forgive you all your rudeness, sorry to waste time poking you in your own litter.
I say goodbye to the sim and let you go on foot. I am sure that you have already studied the road thoroughly.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Drain counted :)))

[Nastia makarova]

for the dollar to become 100 it is necessary for oil to fall to 10

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

I'm afraid you are mistaken. In such crises, the fall rate of the ruble is -1,5-2 times, which gives us 90-120 rubles per dollar

[dzvero]

You may be right, but I don’t understand something. Our lion is tightly attached to the euro (1.96 to 1). So, on the radio every day they declare the exchange rate. The last two weeks the ruble has been firmly worth 2.88 leva per 100 rubles (too lazy to count, but the trend is obvious). The dollar, however, jumped 5 euro cents. Is it possible that your domestic exchange rate is disconnected from international banking?

[Nastia makarova]

wait for that bright day

[knn54]

It is convenient to consider that the ruble collapsed due to falling oil prices.
Something is not visible collapse of the Saudi riyal, the Norwegian krone. And the economies of these and several other countries are more dependent on oil prices than the Russian

[Andobor]

Quote: knn54

Something is not visible collapse of the Saudi riyal, the Norwegian krone. And the economies of these and several other countries are more dependent on oil prices than the Russian

The kroon fell more than the ruble, and the rial is strictly tied to the dollar, this jamb will kill the Saudis if they do nothing in the near future.

[knn54]

Andobor and Co.
- Only the Mexican peso collapsed more than the ruble.
-Oil is tied to the dollar, hence the term "petrodollar". At one time, the Saudis were bent very harshly by the United States and Israel-Janes were looking for a dollar replacement for the gold equivalent. Therefore, the Saudis sell oil ONLY for dollars.
The Canadian dollar (and who is not tied) is also tied to the buck, so what?

[ROSS_51]

Quote: Andobor

The kroon fell more than the ruble, and the rial is strictly tied to the dollar, this jamb will kill the Saudis if they do nothing in the near future.

Oh, and the crown then fell a lot, taking into account the drawdown of the ruble. To hell with the dollar, is it time to take the crown?))

[16329]

All investment funds have been playing with Krona for a long time, in principle, probably, it makes sense

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Oil collapse is an indirect cause. And the direct one is the actions of the Central Bank, dropping the ruble, to ensure a budget without deficits. Just the Central Bank does it because of falling oil prices

[Nastia makarova]

everyone fell who sits on the oil industry

[Vadim237]

Just unlike our budget - their budgets do not have such huge expenses for the army infrastructure, etc., and they do not have a mandatory program in the form of May decrees, so ours drove the ruble down as this is the best and most important quick way to avoid loss financial mass from the export of all materials and products.

[Malyuta]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

for the dollar to become 100 it is necessary for oil to fall to 10

There is no direct dependence on objective factors, but on the desire of the authorities to fill the budget in the absence of currency with a depreciated ruble, this is an objective reality. Hence, the fall of the ruble after the vote on April 22 can be completely unpredictable !!!
And this citizen will explain everything popular to you on his fingers about your "benefits", if you use their terminology, then "they will dissolve suckers thinner."

[vadimtt]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

for the dollar to become 100 it is necessary for oil to fall to 10

Up to 20 is enough for 100 bucks. But my DL-forecasts do not show oil in less than 25. But the market is a market, he does not care about forecasts Therefore, having completed the initial purchases, we sit on the fence and observe

[Malyuta]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

You have no pluses. The ruble will fall again, the dollar will cost 100-110 rubles, prices will climb up, and then oil will rise in price and Sechin and others will get even more rich.
In general, for the Russian Federation this process will lead to further impoverishment of the bulk of the population and an increase in the number of billionaires

Comrade, if the Saudis already sell oil to Europe at discounts of $ 10, then as a result there will be no one to sell Russian oil, accordingly there will be no currency inflow, hence the dollar will grow not to 100, but at least to 150. But here you still have to take into account the situation with a virus that cannot be predicted and both of these factors may overlap with the emerging political crisis within the country. And our government, due to incompetence, will not be able to answer any of these challenges.

[dragy52rus]

do they deliver oil to Europe by teleport? do you understand how much more tankers need to be built to replace Russian oil?

[Malyuta]

Quote: dragy52rus

do they deliver oil to Europe by teleport? do you understand how much more tankers need to be built to replace Russian oil?

Can you read? I repeat for you personally, a discount of 10 dollars !!!!
And now you have a question, why Russian oil figures, who built a terminal in India, by the way, for budget money, can’t bring Venezuelan oil to it?
And who is now selling oil to India and at what discounts? And when you answer these questions and think a little, then you will open to seises

[dragy52rus]

you don’t know how to read a campaign. even if they offer it for free, they will still buy Russian oil. if the oil is physically unable to deliver, then how will the consumer receive it?
about India and leaders are not in the know, you better ask them. oil from Venezuela where does it go?

[Malyuta]

Quote: dragy52rus

you don’t know how to read a campaign. even if they offer it for free, they will still buy Russian oil. if the oil is physically unable to deliver, then how will the consumer receive it?

I don’t know how old you are and what year you were born from PX, but I’m sure that that year there was either a drought, or a flood, or some thread of a planetary parade combined with solar activity and volcanic activity .. and most likely the year was bullshit and Monday and it was precisely the 29th of February ....
You look at the globe, then the National Geographic channel, which tells you that the tanker fleet still exists. Karl! Then you look through school textbooks, from where it turns out for you that sea and river transport is the cheapest in the world !!! In the meantime, do not master the basics, do not meddle with your children's comments in adult topics.
As for the Venezuelan oil, I explain that Rosneft has a "black mark of sanctions" and the shipowners do not want to charter ships (tankers) for them, and Sechin and Rotenberg's dick have not yet thought of a pipe across the Atlantic but apparently thinking already on the way
therefore, Rosneft's Venezuelan oil is wandering in the Venezuelan marshes, while the Indians calmly and happily buy oil from Arabia at a discount of 8 raccoons per barrel!
Is it clear now? hello to parents!

[dragy52rus]

I don’t know how old you are and what year you were born from PX, but I’m sure that that year there was either a drought, or a flood, or some thread of a planetary parade combined with solar activity and volcanic activity .. and most likely the year was bullshit and Monday and it was precisely the 29th of February ....
You look at the globe, then the National Geographic channel, which tells you that the tanker fleet still exists. Karl!
Then look through the math textbook, where you will learn the numbers. after you realize that the number of items is of course. those. in the presence of 100 tankers and the need of 200, 200 tankers will not be there, but there will still be the same 100 tankers, and since there is no magic wand, it is necessary +100 not to appear.
In the meantime, do not master the basics, do not meddle with your children's comments in adult topics.

[Nastia makarova]

The United States is demanding from the Saudis that they raise prices, the low price will not be long
and about Europe they will sell all the same, even at a loss

[Souchastnik]

and then oil will rise in price

And our gas prices will continue to rise from 48 rubles. farther. We will sell sled dogs, bicycles and scooters will become more expensive than cars. In general, do not tell me, but ordinary people will not have enough for anyone.

[dragy52rus]

but we don’t. 92 41 rubles.

[CSKA]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

and then oil will rise in price, and Sechin and others will get rich even more.

Oh my God. Sechin what is the owner of Rosneft? What are you rubbish rubbish economist.

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

In general, for the Russian Federation this process will lead to further impoverishment of the bulk of the population

How is it? From the fact that cars, laptops or smartphones will rise in price, the population is impoverished? Are we importing food?

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

increase the number of billionaires

An economist with 20 years of experience, those oligarchs who own oil companies have become much poorer due to falling oil prices and when prices rise at best they will return what they lost, there will be no more billionaires.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: CSKA

Oh my God. Sechin what is the owner of Rosneft? What are you rubbish rubbish economist.

That is, the fact that Sechin s / z exceeds $ 1 million - that’s so, it’s not worth mentioning. And that additional bonus and other payments depend on the profitability of the company, you have no idea. And that Sechin owns Rosneft shares for almost $ 100 million - also by you.

Quote: CSKA

How is it? From the fact that cars, laptops or smartphones will rise in price, the population is impoverished? Are we importing food?

Yes. That's what we deliver food. Not only in the form of purchased finished products (there are not many) but in the form of imported animal feed, imported equipment - from tractors to machine milking machines, seed stock, thoroughbred cattle and other cattle to improve herds, and so on and so forth. The same milk that you buy in stores is usually bottled with imported equipment. That is, today's village, and the food industry is very dependent on the dollar.
And also - the price of gasoline will rise, because the companies will have to "recoup" the money lost on the export of gas and oil. It is necessary to explain the consequences, or guess yourself?

Quote: CSKA

An economist with 20 years of experience, those oligarchs who own oil companies have become much poorer due to falling oil prices and when prices rise at best they will return what they lost, there will be no more billionaires.

Sergey, if you don’t know something, ask, I’ll tell you. The oligarchs earn from exports in dollars, but the costs are in rubles (the mining enterprises are Russian, they are serviced for rubles). So at the rate of 60 rubles / dollar there is some profit. Then - the collapse of prices, and the oligarch minimizes his losses - the ruble falls sharply down, the oligarch in dollars earns less, but also spends - less, because the ruble has fallen in price. And then the price comes back, but the trouble is that nobody will return the ruble to the rate of 60 rubles per dollar. And, starting at some point, the oligarch will live at the same level of dollar income, but less ruble spending than it was before.
The ruble is depreciating, and the masses of people are impoverished in this. Oligarchs gobble up

[Vadim237]

Sechin is the state manager put at the head of Rosneft’s leadership by the state’s leadership and without decisions from above, he won’t do anything on one scoreboard just like Novak, Miller and everyone else.

[ccsr]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

You have no pluses. The ruble will fall again, the dollar will cost 100-110 rubles, prices will climb up, and then oil will rise in price and Sechin and others will get even more rich.

Can you confirm your forecast for the month of December with real numbers? If it does not come true, do you recognize yourself as a total amateur in matters of the world economy and recognize it here?
I will try to return to your statement at the end of the year, so you will have to remember this forecast.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: ccsr

Can you confirm your forecast for the month of December with real numbers?

If, my opponent’s forecast comes true

Quote: krot

In the United States, Riyadh is predicting the largest economic crisis in decades, if oil prices remain at their current level for several more months.

For me, so for several months if the price is at this level, it will be great ..

then the probability of fulfilling my forecast will be very high

Quote: ccsr

If it does not come true, do you recognize yourself as a total amateur in matters of the global economy and recognize this here?

In this case, I admit that my forecast was wrong. But I don’t see the slightest reason to recognize myself as an amateur. Forecast - he is the forecast, it involves choosing the most likely scenario from the available ones, and not declaring it the only possible one. For example, I see scenarios in which oil does not rise in price but the ruble does not fall, but I consider them extremely unlikely, since they require the coordinated and professional work of the government and the Central Bank, which I have never seen.

[ccsr]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

If, my opponent’s forecast comes true

In fact, it is accepted that everyone is responsible for their words.

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

In this case, I admit that my forecast was wrong.

We will stop on this.

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Forecast - he is the forecast,

Maybe then you do not need to train analysts, but just guess at the coffee grounds? I think that you just need to be able to understand the flow of information, and draw conclusions based on common sense in order to understand what can expect us.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

In fact, it is accepted that everyone is responsible for their words.

It is also customary not to tear these words out of the context in which they were spoken. I predicted the collapse of the ruble to 100 rubles per dollar and below, provided that oil prices remain at their current level for several months. Please log in :))))))

We will stop on this

.
Accepted!:)

[Roman12345678]

We are already noticing these "pluses" .. although the reserves have just begun to be spent ..
But the buck took off, prices also rose .. And this will happen every day ..
In the best case, as long as the capsules are enough ..
Actually, to gobble up what you have been saving for years is already an awesome "plus"
Well, what will happen then .. Putin minus oil = Yeltsin ..

[FRoman1984]

Quote: krot

In the United States, Riyadh is predicting the largest economic crisis in decades, if oil prices remain at their current level for several more months.

For me, so for several months if the price is at such a level, it will be great .. And the Saudis and the Stripes are ruined. We are solid pluses.

Are you sure you live in Russia? Who will benefit to us? Vova-Zero?
I look, he plays taxes: he reduces some, introduces some - he “cares” about people and “stabilizes” the economy.
He started this topic, as he lost market share from 24% to 17% over the past year. Spit on him people. The main thing is that the translator from Portuguese lived and pocket SurgutNG.

[svoit]

Why are they sorry? They will simply be bought cheaper and some will be covered for the time being, and some will work for the domestic market, in any case America will benefit

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Because Trump does not need bankruptcy of American producers of shale oil and gas. The United States invested a lot there, supported from the budget, but the industry will be covered with a copper basin at the current oil price.
However, even if more than one is covered in the United States, and a couple of three industries per dollar, this will practically not affect.
As for the Chinese, it’s clear that America is used to Chinese goods and there is nothing to replace them with.

[Malyuta]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Because Trump does not need bankruptcy of American producers of shale oil and gas. The United States invested a lot there, supported from the budget, but the industry will be covered with a copper basin at the current oil price.

Firstly, the importance of shale neti for America is greatly exaggerated by local propagandons and ranges from 0,5 to 1%. The second you do not take into account that the technology of oil shale production has changed technologically in the direction of cheapening.
And third, and most importantly, that in the total mass of consumption no one will notice when recalculating prices, the states can quietly subsidize this industry and direct this oil to the domestic market and the price of oil shale will not affect the overall picture of prices in the general consumption of oil in the states !! !
By the way, yesterday the price of gasoline in the United States, in terms of rubles and liters, amounted to 34 rubles for a liter of Midgrade, 89 AKI (approximately corresponds to the Russian AI-95)

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Wrong address. You still read the comments, before fiercely overthrow them :)

[Malyuta]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Wrong address. You still read the comments, before fiercely overthrow them :)

I am very sorry, but apparently we did not understand each other. It happens...

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Nothing terrible, indeed, happens!

[Alex777]

Nothing will happen to the dollar, since it has long been untied from domestic industrial production and is a world currency

As an economist, you cannot but understand that when the Fed prints paper, then you receive an obligation for the goods. And the deal remains open ...
On the other hand, when the dollar was untied from gold, it was tied to oil in return. We agreed with the Saudis that OPEC will sell oil only for dollars. EMNIP in 74g. I do not remember exactly.
The United States destroyed the deal with Iran because Iran decided to sell oil not for dollars, but for euros, IMHO.
Therefore, the EU still does not support these sanctions. Although he did not puff up, he could not support Iran.
Trump called the prince, and Finance Minister Mnuchin met with Ambassador Antonov.

The White House official releases did not report Trump's conversation with Ben Salman about oil prices during the coronavirus pandemic.

There was a message.
Although they are talking about sanctions against us and the Saudis, none of this will happen.
With their own hands, the US will not bring down the dollar.

[TermNachTer]

You can never repeat the same scheme constantly, over time, an antidote will be found on it. Many countries abandon mattress treasure, so the situation is not so clear.

[Voltsky]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Nothing will happen to the dollar, since it has long been untied from domestic industrial production and is a world currency. And its course depends mainly on the solvency of the United States, and it is 100 percent, because theoretically the Fed can cover ANY obligations by launching a printing press. Actually, this is where the United States has been leaving for decades

Well, you exaggerate, and greatly simplify; you can’t pump up the economy indefinitely with unsecured bucks, and thereby cover your obligations to creditors.

[spirit]

This is all a farce!. Shale workers make up a tiny fraction of the US budget + they can easily preserve everything in an emergency without much loss! But CHEAP !!!! gasoline in the USA is almost 100% likely to re-elect Trump, there is such a tradition if the fuel is cheaper then the president is doing it right) and re-electing it! Also, cheap oil is now very important for China, which needs to get out of the crisis. There is still a need to figure out under whose pressure Sechin acted taking into account the fact that ROSNEFT should China 35 yards. So cheap oil is now very important as the United States itself, and in particular Trump, is just as important to China since it was the first to get out of the epidemic and the first to make money on it, and for this, cheap oil is needed))) The Saudis themselves will lose their well and Russia of course

[bar]

This is all a farce! Shale workers make up a tiny fraction of the budget

You forget about such a trifle as a trade war with Russia and squeezing it out of the European energy market. The war against Russia's influence on Europe. There will be no striped shale oil and gas, there will be nothing to fight. And this is the end of hegemony. This does not compensate for cheap gasoline in the domestic market, it is a political fiasco.

[svoit]

And you forget that Russia does not have state interests, but only the economies of individual oligarchs of the power.

[mavrus]

Whether the dollar will fall or not ...
And the ruble has already become the most falling currency.

[Nastia makarova]

we don’t get used to it already ((((

[krillon]

Oh well. We didn’t live well, there’s nothing to start.

[Nastia makarova]

exactly, we have this for centuries

[Gennady Korsunov]

Until the Saudis and the Americans slide down to our standard of living, we Russians will not see this !! But it’s a pity, I would like to see the collapsing house of cards of their oil industry, and especially what they will do with dollars. Maybe it’s not too late for them to switch to; (secured by production) rubles !!

[Nastia makarova]

the garden will save us once again

[Souchastnik]

Until the Saudis and the Americans slide down to our level

Like a proverb: while a fat dries, a thin dies

[kjhg]

Quote: siberalt

From the collapse of oil prices, Saudi Arabia is losing four times more planned oil revenues than Russia.

Do not believe propaganda. Forgot the sermons from every iron that Ukraine will soon fall apart? This is the work of propaganda ... s - to lie, always lie about everything. The prince knows what to do and how to survive the ultra-low oil prices. Moreover, the SA is not alone. They declared war on our oil industry. Not speculators and not coronavirus. The CA and its allies fill the markets with oil, which Russia - Europe and China has always supplied.
The latest information: SA, UAE, Kuwait and others have frozen inside their countries all assets belonging to Putin’s richest friends: Sechin, Timchenko and others. This is several tens of billions of dollars.

a couple of months after these prices, the American shale oil industry will begin to collapse, like a house of cards.

Just mothballed wells until better times. The bankruptcy of these companies does not mean the destruction of shale oil production. It’s just that those who have money will buy up the shares of these companies at a cheap price, the owners will change, who will start re-commissioning at any opportunity.
In general, shales will survive this crisis. And Russia and its people?

[Voltsky]

Quote: kjhg

Forgot the sermons from every iron that Ukraine will soon fall apart?

but she didn’t fall apart? :)

It’s just that those who have money will buy up the shares of these companies at a cheap price, the owners will change, who will start re-commissioning at any opportunity.

Do you, as an investor, look positively at an asset that can be placed at the click of a finger? :)

The latest information: SA, UAE, Kuwait and others have frozen inside their countries all assets belonging to Putin’s richest friends: Sechin, Timchenko and others. This is several tens of billions of dollars.

I haven’t heard this, can I refer? :)

[vkl.47]

Demarcation should be done. As usual.

[novel66]

there the people snickering, you won’t shake it

[vkl.47]

You can hire through local youth. By promising them under the new government nishtyaki. Money everyone loves.

[Insurgent]

Missed IMPORTANT DETAIL.

"Well, so as not to the detriment of us": Trump and Saudi Prince entered into oil conspiracy against Russia - Politico

Trump is reportedly having telephone calls with Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia Mohammed bin Salman. During the conversation, the US president said that he had nothing against the plans of the Saudis to oust Russia from the oil markets by increasing the extraction of black gold. However Trump asked the Saudi crown prince to carefully monitor energy prices and avoid a situation in which the cost of oil would drop so much that it would harm American producers.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Insurgent

MOST IMPORTANT DETAILS MISSED.

I talked about this yesterday, but people don’t believe ...

[Insurgent]

Quote: Aerodrome

I talked about this yesterday, but people don’t believe ...

Yes here is a link to them:

https://yandex.ua/turbo?text=https%3A%2F%2Ftsargrad.tv%2Fnews%2Fnu-chtoby-nam-ne-v-ushherb-tramp-i-saudovskij-princ-vstupili-v-neftjanoj-sgovor-protiv-rossii-politico_244379


Tsar Grad.TV

[Voltsky]

Quote: Insurgent

Trump and the Saudi prince entered into an oil conspiracy against Russia

And How ?! Trump forever offers to enter into something, now in shit, then in conspiracy.
Is the alliance between the SGA and the cartel already valid and operational ?! Did representatives of these countries come out with an announcement? Are there reasons to believe that this alliance is in force and steps are already being taken to coordinate actions ?!

If not, then I suggest you continue to panic, but for now I'll see :)

[Andobor]

Quote: novel xnumx

there the people snickering, you won’t shake it

And they do not need to swing, the lack of toilet paper from kills.

[knn54]

A mistake, I think. Came out. The American media were supposed to publish "this material" on April 1.

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: Aerodrome

(by the way, that drones did not fall on Arab NPs for a long time

It is not evening when the weakest shale companies all go bankrupt, then the rest will throw themselves into drones and buy up the bankrupt. Everything will be like "them" accepted - "business and nothing personal" .

[primala]

Quote: Aerodrome

The US press spoke about the "difficult conversation" trump with the Saudi prince on the topic of oil

aha .. "difficult" we talked two from the start. (by the way, drones haven’t fallen on Arab refineries for a long time)

will "warm up" the Saudis. Stopudovo. Not so they wear a fan. Oh, NOT that !!! ))
yankee performers. There are other "players" behind them.

[Valery Valery]

But now Tamogawks can fly towards the Saudis.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Valery Valery

But now Tamogawks can fly towards the Saudis.

It's easier to remember a steamed turnip: husband to wife:
- Tom!
- Gavk!

[novel66]

good, goals there ...

[dzvero]

good, goals there ...

one-two and miscalculated. Half ammunition of one Arly Burke. Only hardly tomahawks will be shot. A couple of dozens of drones mowing under the Hussito-Iranian and you can put out the light in the kingdom and breathe deeply the air of freedom across the ocean ...

[Scipio]

It’s strange that I asked, but did not order!

[Victor_B]

Quote: Scipio

It’s strange that I asked, but did not order!

Have you stood next to the candle?
Maybe Trump rolled it up and threatened Tomogawks.
And in general, he personally promised the ax the bashka, like Suleimani.

[Gene84]

Trump also "asked" bin Salman not to bring down oil prices.

As a result, what did the parties agree on? Does Saudi Arabia obey Trump or not?

daily, several American companies producing and processing shale oil declare bankruptcy.

Something tells me, they go bankrupt for a reason, but for insurance. Everything is insured in the USA.

[Retvizan 8]

Well, it’s easier for the States to negotiate with the Saudis, because their money is in American banks.
If anything, you can go to the already checked pressure using blackmail and threats.

[Retvizan 8]

Well, since Donya Trump himself started rolling up and started calling Prynts, the situation with the oil is not so harmless for the Hegimons.

[rocket757]

I still want to make sure that we are on the same wavelength in this matter.

On the waves, on the waves .... it looks like a strong "bamboo" got caught ... well, no one forced him to smoke! yourself, yourself, yourself ...

[novel66]

well, trump is an experienced surfer. does not sink

[rocket757]

For everyone, everyone has their own "perfect wave"!

[Mountain shooter]

It turned out to be a "perfect storm" ... the Saudis did not listen, and quarantine under the "crown" sharply launched the US economy into a tailspin. And the first to fall down were "slates" ... Insurance there will not save anyone. Insurance companies are also "credited", and with a large number of insured events they will begin to "fall" ... Banks are behind them. These are the "chains" Trump wants to prevent ... By pouring TRILLIONS of liquidity. And then the Democrats gave him a crowbar !!! According to them, then "a barn is burning, burn and a hut" ... but Trump will not be elected for a second term

[rocket757]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And then the Democrats gave him a crowbar !!! According to them, then "a barn is burning, burn and a hut" ... but Trump will not be elected for a second term

I heard, more than once such assumptions have been made, one can say statements!
Big pryz play! In such a "game" there are simply no rules, and how many chips will fly in all directions, while they will cut Baobab, named Trump, they will not count!

[dzvero]

Knowing the inability of US politicians to foresee their actions even half a step forward, as if "cutting the baobab" did not lead to the "truncation" of the Elita in general and the United States in particular. A large cabinet falls louder. Of course, it can be propped up, but beyond the point of no return, it cannot be supported. You can only bounce. It is not recommended to stand under it

[rocket757]

Quote: dzvero

Of course, you can back it up,

AND BY WHOM? There, whoever you don't look at, everything is in the "risk group" .... not in vain Satanovsky claimed that the VIRUS would win !!!

[dzvero]

Printing press, which is demonstrated. But, apparently, without much success. It was not in vain that Trump announced yesterday that two weeks of quarantine is enough and generally enough for his pants to sit out, it’s time for everyone to work, to make America great again.

[rocket757]

Quote: dzvero

It's time for everyone to work, to make America great again.

A reasonable slogan ... let's see how it goes.

[rotmistr60]

Americans, as usual, at first enthusiastically scatter stones, and then begin to collect them, which is much more difficult.

[askort154]

rotmistr60..... Americans, as usual, first enthusiastically scatter stones, and then begin to collect them, which is much more difficult.

Can't remember where the Americans "collected the stones" ?!

[regdan]

According to some newspaper there ...

[Thrifty]

And why not thank God in my comments? What their
deleted? ??

[Pessimist22]

The Saudi Wahhabis decided to squeeze out part of the oil market, will they manage it themselves?

[Kerensky]

The journalists of the mentioned publication were told by a certain former representative of the US administration who wished to remain anonymous.

AND? What are we discussing? Of course there is such a term: "site content" ...

[mitroha]

Trump fussed about. This means that the talk about the expensive shale oil production and the low safety margin of "shale" oil companies had grounds, although many "experts", including here, at VO, argued the opposite.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Mitroha

Trump started to fuss.

He has his own interest.
https://ria.ru/20200325/1569102962.html

[Graz]

Saudis need to be bombed, if the Americans do it the better

[Mavrikiy]

I think the Chinese horse will jump faster due to the virus. China, go on, stocking up cheap oil, for the jump.

[Mentat]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

You have no pluses. The ruble will fall again, the dollar will cost 100-110 rubles, prices will climb up, and then oil will rise in price and Sechin and others will get even more rich.
In general, for the Russian Federation this process will lead to further impoverishment of the bulk of the population and an increase in the number of billionaires

You are carrying pseudo-communist nonsense under the guise of economic education, and the advantages are not sensible people, but the same pensioners, who are still standing on the word "communism", which you mislead for fun.

If you have a real economic education, you all perfectly understand why this is happening and what global bonuses Russia will receive in the event of a favorable end to this campaign. However, you prefer to work as a butterfly catcher, giggling joyfully and jumping on the lawn. Ah, sorry, a plus sign catcher, jumping with stupid comments on the forum.

[svoit]

Russia can increase production to 12 million barrels for $ 30-35, and this is called a bonus?

[Vasyan1971]

One small nuance not reflected in the article:

Trump supported Saudi Arabia's plans to oust Russia from the oil markets by increasing fuel production and generally approved of Riyadh's plans, but asked that "prices not fall too low so as not to hurt US producers."

https://ria.ru/20200325/1569102962.html

[ROSS_51]

Trump spoke with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman that it would not be worth to oversaturate the market with "black gold".

Yes, yes .. otherwise it prevents the market from being oversaturated with American oil shale.
Trump is just a burnt bargainer and in diplomacy like an elephant in a china shop.

[Mentat]

Quote: Malyuta

Quote: dragy52rus

do they deliver oil to Europe by teleport? do you understand how much more tankers need to be built to replace Russian oil?

Can you read? I repeat for you personally, a discount of 10 dollars !!!!
And now you have a question, why Russian oil figures, who built a terminal in India, by the way, for budget money, can’t bring Venezuelan oil to it?
And who is now selling oil to India and at what discounts? And when you answer these questions and think a little, then you will open to seises

The only "sesame" that can open when reading your comments is that you put on a new pan model like a colander "for protection from the Russian world", according to the Central European fashion, and you carry such nonsense that a sensible person will not write, he won’t read she cannot because of colic from laughter.

What audience are your scribbles intended for? Once again I repeat to you and the like, your curators, that these stupid people do not understand the difference between societies where color revolutions were possible and Russia where it is fundamentally impossible, especially with such an “opposition”.

All your scribbles are for one purpose: "to sow panic and doubt." Have you tried, or rather, your curators, composing "ingenious texts of influence", to read these words? Sow panic in the Russians? They generally do not understand either Russia or its people.

[ML-334]

Pans have already grown into their heads, one thing is good, you can immediately determine the nationality of a given individual from them.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Come salman download more In chess, there is a concept called “silent move”. This is a small movement of the figure, not associated with beautiful victims, direct threats, but suddenly disarming the enemy. This is such an action, after which it becomes clear - victory is not far off. Quiet moves are rare and give no less pleasure than enchanting combinations. Wait and see.

[NF68]

Its shirt is closer to the body.

[Voltsky]

I see no one reason why Prince Mohammed should have agreed with Trump; he cannot provide the necessary support, nor can he or will he want to put pressure on the rivals of the kingdom at the required level.
And the most important thing is to threaten, at the right level he cannot either, because the Saudis are reinsured during the time by everyone who needs to annoy the SGA, including the Russian Federation.

[FRoman1984]

Quote: siberalt

From the collapse of oil prices, Saudi Arabia is losing four times more planned oil revenues than Russia. What will happen to the US defense if it is their main buyer of weapons? And a couple of months after these prices, the American shale oil industry will begin to collapse, like a house of cards. And what they will do with their dollar, unsecured domestic production, is a big question.

This dollar is provided by you, including (along with the rest of the world), buying goods of American companies such as Intel, Apple, HP, Boeing, etc.
You do not know the economy well.