Two romanian sleeves. Chisinau, 1941


My city of Chisinau, with the beginning of the Second World War, did not fall into the well-known chronicles of fierce battles, the month of defensive operations in Moldova for the Red Army was not fraught with serious losses.


Nevertheless, on July 16, 1941, Chisinau was surrendered, the troops moved to a new frontier.

One of the famous clashes was on city streets - an unexpected manifestation of the fog of war for the parties.

This episode of war has been remarkably explored in an article. "Fight on Kolumna Street July 16, 1941".

What led me to such little-known pages stories? Why am I trying to understand how it happened that the city was left without cover?

These questions arose after an accidental find in early March 2020 in the private sector in the Malaya Malina district of Chisinau. The land on the site sometimes makes pennies and other artifacts .. This time was a little more interesting.




Conventional shells of times of war, rifle Uzinale Metalwrgica di Corsa Mica SI, Cugir, Romania, 9 * 19 with an unknown marking D 1937 (2?)

And suddenly the mosaic began to take shape. It was recalled that in the year 1975, just above the “Bird” on the top of the hill, there was an overgrown comfrey in which we boys found a dozen Soviet rifle shells. For fifty years, everything has been built up ...

Found aerial view. From that place, a good view and a shooting sector opened up. The asterisk indicates the location of the find:

Two romanian sleeves. Chisinau, 1941

Further - according to the published documents of the Ministry of Defense: link. There is a reporting map of the combat operations of POG and 9 A for the period of July 14-17


After that, you can go to the database magazine, which took place at the front on the eve of the surrender of Chisinau.




Link shows the period from 22.06.1941/30.11.1941/95 to XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX (magazine of operations XNUMX sd).

The denouement came quickly. The 321st regiment left its position.


The next day, the regiment was 20 km from the abandoned line.


It is noticeable that the name of the regiment is underlined in the original documents, which means that organizational conclusions were made.

Excerpts from General Belov's diarywho outlined the picture he saw a week before the events in Chisinau:

July 10 1941 year.
Nothing came of the offensive of the 9th Army. 48 sk, located on the right flank of the army, for some reason departs. 2 microns did not even come. My 9 cd has almost no enemy and is successfully advancing to the flank and rear of the enemy. 5 cd has a strong adversary and leads a heavy battle. Babak's motorcycle regiment is one grief. The offensive is canceled. The corps received a new task - to cover the gap between 48 and 35 sk. A gap of about 100 km. My divisions are fragmented, having received tasks directly from the commander, 5 cd went to the aid of 48 sk, and 9 cd closer to 35 sk, apparently to cover the right flank of this unfortunate corps. I went to the 5 cd combat area. 321 MSP Colonel Babak I found in complete disarray. Entire crowds of Red Army men and officers arbitrarily left their positions and went to the rear. Among them there are a lot of suspiciously wounded in the left hand. I took very decisive measures, up to the execution of the runners. However, he decided to withdraw the regiment to the reserve and put it in order. Colonel Babak gives the impression of a limp and inexperienced commander, although he personally is experiencing a bad setback. He walks along the forward chain under enemy fire and persuades subordinates to hold positions, up to the point that individual running fighters grab hands. On the contrary, 5 cd fights steadfastly and contemptuously for cowards of a motor-regiment.

321 regiment, having only taken the line of defense on the outskirts of Chisinau, dropped enemy positions when the enemy approached.

A shallow trench with a dozen shells suggests that the machine gunner started firing when he saw the attackers, but, panicked along with the unit, fled with everyone ... The Romanians fired for a wake towards the firing point and went on to the center of the city, where they encountered st. Kolumna with artillerymen of the 134th howitzer regiment, who walked through the city in a marching order.

Any feat is a manifestation of someone’s negligence.

To those who did not follow the link at the beginning of the article, I report on this battle:

Not even having time to deploy the guns, the gunners began to fight off grenades, took up their rifles. Then they had to take a circular defense on one of the streets. A few hours later, Senior Lieutenant N.N. Romodin made his way to the battery with a rifle company. But to save the guns was already impossible, especially since all the tractors were damaged. Having blown up four howitzers, the gunners, mostly wounded, left the city with the infantrymen who rescued them. ”

(Sakharov V.P. We walked from the Prut. Raised by alarm.)

What is the result? Two Romanian sleeves, a scattering of brass sleeves from childhood, documents and a little thought.

Perhaps the fog of war has vanished a little.
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  1. is-22 25 March 2020 05: 40 New
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    Thanks for the article, it’s always interesting to learn about such local battles that made up the war. Interesting excerpts from the diary.
    1. Olgovich 25 March 2020 09: 42 New
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      Quote: is-22
      Thank you for the article

      The first snapshot of the article is especially interesting: there is a whole such project showing SIMULTANEOUSLY the past and the present of the same place, a street-exciting journey into the past Russian and Soviet Chisinau! good

      I can study the history of my city by ....roofing of your old house yes : tile production " Marseille, France, 1894 "," Chisinau, Sytin and Sons ", Chisinau, 1935", "Kisinioff 1942", "Chisinau, industrial construction plant" and ... again "Chisinau"-so here are the collisions in just a hundred years .... recourse

      Thank you fellow countryman for the memory of our history! hi
      1. MA3UTA 25 March 2020 12: 14 New
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        Thank. Can you make bricks?
        Found near the barracks of the Lubensky hussars. On the same street of Kolumna

        I have not seen such a stigma
        1. Olgovich 25 March 2020 12: 45 New
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          Quote: MA3UTA
          Thank. Can you make bricks?
          Found near the barracks of the Lubensky hussars. On the same street of Kolumna

          I have not seen such a stigma

          In my opinion, this is not a brick ...
          No, I don’t know: I met similar things at the Polish and Armenian cemeteries, at the monuments ... request
          Cigarette butt, in my opinion, from Doina recourse lol

          I have bricks from different eras (also from house buildings) - pre-revolutionary, interwar, post-war .... (the house is much more than a hundred years old)

          Pre-revolutionary is something: to this day-ringing, the strongest and high-quality Russian quality! good

          This is how amer’s “Standart Oil” advertised its oils a hundred years ago: “Russian Quality”.
          Quote: MA3UTA
          On the same street Kolumna

          And I like NIKOLAEVSKAYA more, as it was a hundred years ago, as well as Irinopolskaya, Aleksandrovskaya, Mogilevskaya, etc., etc.
  2. svp67 25 March 2020 05: 47 New
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    ... from the diary of General Belov ...: ".... I found 321 small businesses of Colonel Babak in complete disarray. Entire crowds of Red Army men and officers left their positions without permission and went to the rear ..."
    A very strange record, if it is real, then for one of them the general could be put under investigation. There were no "officers" at the time in the Red Army, but "commanders". Junior, middle, senior command staff. The word "officers" was banned, an ideological ban. Officers could only be with the enemy
    1. MA3UTA 25 March 2020 12: 23 New
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      You have all correctly noticed.
      Could admit the word "officers" to the commanders who threw the line and failed to maintain discipline consciously.
      But even on emotions, the word could be used from a lexicon.
      I. Belov from the "former"
      In May 1916 he was drafted into the Russian Imperial Army and served as a private in the squadron of the reserve hussar regiment (station Liski). In October 1917 he was sent to study, and in January 1918 he graduated from the 2nd Kiev school of ensigns.


      I think so
    2. Olgovich 25 March 2020 13: 10 New
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      Quote: svp67
      A very strange record, if it is real, then for one of them the general could be put under investigation.

      yes, in fact, it was forbidden to keep diaries ...

      although, as it turned out, some velitaki. encrypting records ...
      after the war, when decrypting, I could already write in a new way (as a version) recourse
      1. Astra wild 25 March 2020 19: 29 New
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        A believable version
  3. Aviator_ 25 March 2020 08: 21 New
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    Conventional shells of times of war, rifle Uzinale Metalwrgica di Corsa Mica SI, Cugir, Romania, 9 * 19 with an unknown marking D 1937 (2?)

    Well, the sleeve here is only the first, the second is the cartridge. At VO such errors are unforgivable.
    1. Olgovich 25 March 2020 09: 44 New
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      Quote: Aviator_
      Well, the sleeve here is only the first, the second is the cartridge. At VO such errors are unforgivable.

      Yeah, but in the cartridge case .. "no" belay lol
    2. MA3UTA 25 March 2020 12: 26 New
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      I dare to believe in print that this is a "sleeve"))) Why do I need a conflict with the law for illegal storage?
      Just a sleeve. Unidentified.
  4. Pane Kohanku 25 March 2020 09: 00 New
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    I read the main article about the battle here. The author really recreates the picture very well. That is, as a local historian and a historian, a bow to him. hi
    Left guns - 152 mm howitzers mod. 1909/30 year. In fact, a modernized weapon of the First World War. soldier
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 25 March 2020 10: 29 New
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      I will join the words of Nikolai, I read the article with pleasure!
      1. Pane Kohanku 25 March 2020 10: 34 New
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        I will join the words of Nikolai, I read the article with pleasure!

        The author really gives a detailed picture, applying to the area. hi
        As for the photos, I have long dreamed of putting it, although not in the subject. soldier Found in the vast VO photo. This is Peterhof after liberation. The Germans turned the palace into ruins ...
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 25 March 2020 11: 35 New
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          In the subject, Nikolai!
          Whenever I visit you in St. Petersburg I try to look into Peterhof. The exposition of the restoration work carried out after World War II is impressive. But if you face the truth, how much cultural heritage we have lost forever during the war years !!!
          1. Pane Kohanku 25 March 2020 12: 02 New
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            The exposition of the restoration work carried out after World War II is impressive.

            And in Gatchina they specially left one crushed hall of the palace. And the signature in German is “We will not return here anymore, and if Ivan comes, everything will be empty. ” no
            But if you face the truth, how much cultural heritage we have lost forever during the war years !!!

            Yeah. And people .... and for the most part - it is civilians, regardless of age.
            "Cultural nation", damn it, these Germans ... angry
            1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 25 March 2020 12: 39 New
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              To be honest, not only Germans trampled across our Fatherland. I am impressed by the philistine term for determining the number of nations participating in the invasion of Napoleon - “twenty languages”! Capacitive, tough and true, it’s better not to say !!!
              Offhand: Germans, Austrians, French, Spaniards, Italians, Finns, Romanians, Hungarians, Slovaks, Croats .... and that's not all !!!
              Regards, Vlad!
              1. Pane Kohanku 25 March 2020 12: 42 New
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                Offhand: Germans, Austrians, French, Spaniards, Italians, Finns, Romanians, Hungarians, Slovaks, Croats .... and that's not all !!!

                and all were smeared with one world .... And all the atrocities were created .. Somewhere I read that the Hungarians generally tried not to take prisoners.
                Yes, Vladislav, capacious and clear! soldier
              2. MA3UTA 25 March 2020 13: 06 New
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                IMHO, since the time of the Great Schism, this was one of the next Crusades of the Vatican against Byzantium, if simplified.
                In WWII, you can also find skinny motives ...
                Gott mit uns - very popular ...
                And the “Medal Crusade against Communism.” Is not so well known.
                Cruciada Împotriva Comunismului
                1. rich 25 March 2020 18: 38 New
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                  Frankly, surprised. And surprised at the good
                  It feels like I got to the good old section "History" three years ago. A wonderful, well-illustrated article with diagrams and archival materials. Competent and sensible comments ... And not any interfaith squabbles and sweeping pluses or minuses.
                  Thank you good
          2. Serg koma 27 March 2020 07: 50 New
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            Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
            how much cultural heritage we lost irrevocably during the war !!!


            Pavilion "Chapelle" Alexander Park

            During the Great War of Independence, the building of the pavilion was severely damaged. At the beginning of World War II, the pavilion was used to install anti-aircraft guns in it, which were located in the former “clock room” in the attic. Part of the roof was revealed above the anti-aircraft guns. During the fascist occupation, it was an observation post. The most romantic pavilion of Alexander Park. For more than seventy years, the building was in disrepair.
            Completion of the restoration and opening for visitors 15.09.2018/XNUMX/XNUMX


            And how much more effort, time and money is necessary to restore at least something that has not been irretrievably lost ...
        2. Aviator_ 25 March 2020 18: 33 New
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          The Germans turned Peterhof into ruins, placing their heavy batteries there. Our return fire did what is shown in the picture. War, nowhere to go. This is like a recent episode with Israeli F-16s and our shot down Syrian air defense Il-20.
  5. Catfish 25 March 2020 18: 46 New
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    And this is not the case:
    9x17 Kurz Pistol Cartridge The 9x17 cartridge was designed by John Moses Browning on the basis of the 9 mm Browning Long cartridge, designed for the Belgian company FN in 1903. The 9x17 caliber cartridge itself was originally intended for the American company Colt, but a little later FN also began production of weapons for this cartridge. In military samples, this cartridge was used extremely rarely, but it was widely used in police and civilian pistols.


    Conventional shells of times of war, rifle Uzinale Metalwrgica di Corsa Mica SI, Cugir, Romania, 9 * 19 with an unknown marking D 1937 (2?)

    Maybe that’s why with labeling issues.
    1. Astra wild 25 March 2020 19: 42 New
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      I met in literature that the gendarmerie corps of the Republic of Ingushetia was armed with this pistol, and there were revolvers in the city
      1. Catfish 25 March 2020 19: 56 New
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        Vera love , the gendarme corps is always and at all times all the best. Look at how Uncle Vova is arming his Praetorians. laughing

        Have a desire to talk more closely?
        1. Astra wild 25 March 2020 20: 27 New
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          Konstantin, actually I am indifferent to such cars - you men will discuss what kind of tires and pots they have. In the morning I learned that these are cylinders.
          As for weapons, somewhere I read, perhaps on a site, that these pistols were allowed to officers as secondary almost like toys
          1. Catfish 25 March 2020 20: 45 New
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            as background almost like toys

            Vera, love I would not even want to communicate with the "secondary toys" of the gendarme corps. Since tsarist times, they had only one motto: “To keep and not let go.” And now nothing has changed.
            1. Astra wild 25 March 2020 20: 57 New
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              Konstantin, actually - you directed me to communicate with the Russian Guard. Joke.
              I said that in the army this gun is like an additional toy, and you’re talking about the gendarme corps
              1. Catfish 25 March 2020 21: 49 New
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                At the gendarme corps, any "toy" turns into an elementary means of knocking on your head, Vera. If you still do not understand this, then God will help you. request
  6. bubalik 25 March 2020 21: 33 New
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    Thank you hi auto RU.
    1. Catfish 25 March 2020 21: 50 New
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      Sergey, where are your materials about the fleet? What the fuck are you filon? drinks
  7. Region-25.rus 26 March 2020 16: 55 New
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    Quote: Pan Kohanku
    I will join the words of Nikolai, I read the article with pleasure!

    The author really gives a detailed picture, applying to the area. hi
    As for the photos, I have long dreamed of putting it, although not in the subject. soldier Found in the vast VO photo. This is Peterhof after liberation. The Germans turned the palace into ruins ...

    in Peterhof itself, in the lower park, there are several stands with photos that the "civilized" Europeans were doing there
  8. Jarserge 29 March 2020 09: 21 New
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    Thank you for the memory!