A video of testing a new Ukrainian armored personnel carrier appeared on the web

A test video of the latest Ukrainian Ataman 6X6 armored personnel carrier developed by the private Ukrainian company Praktika appeared on the Web. The video on its YouTube channel was hosted by Defense Express.

As explained in the description of the video, a feature of the new armored personnel carrier is the front engine with the landing in the rear. In addition, it is alleged that the armored personnel carrier received full-fledged mine protection created by the NATO standard STANAG 4569, and for the manufacture of an armored personnel carrier uses the armor of NATO member countries and the EU.

The possible deployment of the new Ataman 6X6 armored personnel carrier to the Ukrainian marine corps was announced last April during a meeting at the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine.

At the same time, preliminary TTX armored personnel carriers were announced. It was proposed that in the variant for the Marine Corps, the Ataman BMB would have a gross mass of 23500 ks with a payload of at least 5500 kg. The crew of the combat vehicle is 3-4 people, while 6 marines in full combat gear should be transported in the landing squad. It is planned to install a Deutz 410kW / 558 hp diesel engine. with an automatic transmission. Wheel formula 6X6.

Frontal reservation protects against 12,7-mm caliber, side projections of PZSA-5 (protection against a 7,62 mm bullet of a 57-BZ-231s submachine gun cartridge with a BZ bullet (AKM submachine gun) from a distance of 10 m). Additional reservation is provided.

Armored car is supposed to equip the weapon station BM-3M "Sturm" (30-mm automatic gun ZTM-1 with ammunition 200 shells paired 7,62-mm machine gun CT-7,62 with ammunition 2000 cartridges, 30-mm automatic grenade launcher KBA-117, ATGM "Barrier "with four missiles).

Comments

[vvvjak]

Did the corporate identity of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex (cracks in the armor) remain?

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

it’s not a crack, it’s Ukrainian air conditioning.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Ravil_Asnafovich

it’s not a crack, it’s Ukrainian air conditioning.

The review, again, is improving ...

[TermNachTer]

I think they will continue. Good welders left, the old people and the pet graduates remained. Again, no one canceled the dribbling budget.

[orionvitt]

Quote: TermNachTER

there were old people and petushniks

Vocational school in Ukraine was abolished twenty years ago. There are no workers, unless they are self-taught. Or enterprises prepare for themselves, But here, as they say in Ukraine, "trosh, tilki for sebe".

[Avior]

you're wrong
as there were vocational schools, they remained
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[orionvitt]

Quote: Avior

as there were vocational schools, they remained

Only a few remained. So to speak.

[Avior]

that, probably, they reduced it, but the vast majority remained, and did not even change the names

[orionvitt]

Quote: Avior

the vast majority remained

Again forced to disagree. Previously, vocational schools, as a rule, were on the balance of any enterprises. Closed the enterprise, closed vocational schools. Why I say so confidently, because I know. Example. In our area, the city is industrial, regional, not small. There were (at the end of the USSR) at least a dozen of such establishments with different profiles (I don’t know how many in the city there are five more districts). Now only one remains, which together contain three working enterprises. But a qualified locksmith, or turner, now FIG found.

even the names have not changed

How is it. did not change, now it is called "technical lyceum".
.

[Avior]

difficult to discuss an unknown area of ​​an unknown city
Most did not change the names, and remained vocational schools.
Technical Lyceum - some began to be so called, it is one and the same.
they were not on the balance sheet of enterprises, they were always state-owned, but they had so-called basic enterprises that allocated resources to them.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Avior

there were so-called base enterprises that allocated resources to them.

So this is on the balance sheet.

Quote: Avior

always been state

So the enterprises in the Union, the same were all state. But with the arrival of "effective owners", all the "ballast", in the form of vocational schools, the Criminal Procedure Code, recreation centers, dispensaries, pioneer camps and the rest, were either auctioned off, or simply closed as not generating income. Ask where to get specialists? What for? The last generation, which was trained even under the Soviet Union, are still living poorly, and then, even though the grass does not grow. State planning horizon in Ukraine, maximum a couple of months.

[TermNachTer]

Vocational schools have not been abolished, they are simply named differently.

[TermNachTer]

Vocational schools then remained, but alas - the level of education, in comparison with the Union, no. Now they do not teach, but issue a diploma of education.

[major147]

Quote: vvvjak

Did the corporate identity of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex (cracks in the armor) remain?

The potential is lost, the specialists fled. What they release is home-made.

Military expert Viktor Baranets commented on the potential combat use of new boats of the Navy, pointing out their critical shortcomings.

The new airborne assault boats of the Ukrainian Navy of the Centaur project do not justify the money and effort invested in their creation. Also, this "raw product" has many disadvantages. Such an opinion about the potential for the combat use of the Centaurs, which Ukrainian sailors want to oppose to the Russian Navy in the Black Sea, was expressed by military observer KP Viktor Baranets on Sputnik radio.

“As for this“ miracle-yuda, ”it is, in fact, homemade. Experts say that gross technological errors were made there, ”the expert said, noting that the omissions of Ukrainian shipbuilders were so serious that they could no longer be corrected. At the same time, Baranets explained the reasons for such a conclusion: “If such gross violations as metal thickness, buoyancy are allowed, if the engine does not drag a boat too heavy, then you can’t do anything” .... /

[Avior]

it’s hard to understand which experts the expert referred to and what he had in mind, but actually there is a video of tests that the engine normally pulls these boats, only yesterday there was an article about this with the video.
there’s no smell of homemade products, a stable weapons platform and optoelectronic guidance

[major147]

Quote: Avior

hard to understand,

I remember that article. But Comrade Barents is probably better known than you and me. He has a wider social circle.

[Avior]

Do you know my social circle?
or Baranza?
Not to mention the fact that he did not write anything from the actual side.

[major147]

Quote: Avior

Do you know my social circle?
or Baranza?

And you "show" me !? I just expressed my assumptions ...

[Avior]

I'm just asking.
I wonder what your assumption is based on.

[major147]

Quote: Avior

I'm just asking.

In my opinion, the awareness of Comrade Barantz follows from his activities on the radio and in the newspaper "KP". I can't even imagine your level of awareness.

[Kot_Kuzya]

It is written that the body armor is imported from NATO and the EU. Pans themselves can no longer roll armored plates. Faithful dear non-brothers are jumping :))))

[prior]

And what is the haladilnik for fat e? Shaw neem ?! Tady oh.

[marshes]

Th for the mod went to three ostniki, with the loss of one of the front wheels, the car can be gifted.
About a month ago, a Chinese HOWO saw four people without a front wheel, a pancake was driving.

[andrewkor]

And I personally saw Belarus without a single front wheel spied, but there was still a trailer, for balance, apparently.

[marshes]

Quote: andrewkor

And I personally saw Belarus without a single front wheel spied, but there was still a trailer, for balance, apparently.

He personally saw how the Chinese pickup Belarus, a tractor, broke into two parts. By the way, he got off with a standard bat face, which is easily restored.
In the 80s, a Tatra without a front wheel saw three wrecks, but the Tatras were made according to the spine pattern, plus it was loaded.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: andrewkor

And I personally saw Belarus without one front wheel spied

He has a leading tail. In our garage, drunk Vitka Lemon (not red, but thick yellow), drunk on the rear drums, resting on the bucket. Regularly.

[Piramidon]

Quote: andrewkor

And I personally saw Belarus without a single front wheel spied, but there was still a trailer, for balance, apparently.

This?

[andrewkor]

Similarly, only in winter.
Thanks for the comment.

[Piramidon]

He even without a trailer is able to ride on three wheels.

[Andrei Gurov]

I personally drove a Tatpa 815 without a front wheel.

[marshes]

Quote: Andrei Gurov

I personally drove a Tatpa 815 without a front wheel.

From the top described.

[Andrei Gurov]

You saw, and I worked.

[marshes]

Quote: Andrei Gurov

You saw, and I worked.

I myself was in shock, then after a while I read about the spine chassis.
Now the Pakistanis are doing something according to this scheme.

[Andrei Gurov]

Excellent car, 10 cylinders, 30 liters of fuel consumption.

[marshes]

Quote: Andrei Gurov

Excellent car, 10 cylinders, 30 liters of fuel consumption.

I myself know, and pretty pass.
But a Chinese man repays leasing in 3 years and in 7 years already brings not bad income. It’s true that you need to have more than one car.

[IL-64]

I personally saw in the Vologda province between Vologda and Yarik on the UAZ highway a loaf with a hefty log stuck in a spreader under the rear axle instead of a single wheel, as our ancestors did in carts. I went, the infection.

[Avior]

there is a four-axis version

[marshes]

Quote: Avior

there is a four-axis version

Well, this one looks solid, only you do not need to cook sheets at 90 degrees, tell me the trend, but never mind, then at a right angle on other machines in the form of hatches, under dynamic protection.

[Avior]

mounted armor is also provided here.
possibly also providing volume in order to make the machine more versatile, a wide range of applications is claimed for it

[evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru]

Well done, Ukrainians, sh evele ts i! Whoever is not on the computer and the box, only the armored personnel carriers have seen, he will understand that this is their next good job. They have a “four”, good with a stern ,, exit ,,. How old is she? For how many years ,, RK ,, （,, Capitalist Russia ,,） is behind even Ukraine? How old is ,, sleep ,,? Thirty? For three decades, the mind was not enough to make a SERIAL wheeled armored personnel carrier with a stern ramp! How many billionaires have grown during this time, how many ,, bobla ,, exported from the country of Russia!
To build yachts with a displacement of more warships is enough intelligence, to spoil all goods and products, paper documents and cards by the notorious sixes - this is enough intelligence ...
And to repeat the long-known technical solutions in the world that allow to save the lives of soldiers - here they are suddenly attacked with a laziness. He starts to dream, poor fellow, skinny ,, guardians ... （such and such） about the fate of the Fatherland.
Ukrainians and heavy armored personnel carriers based on the tank demonstrated. Where is such concern for infantry in the Republic of Kazakhstan? Which of the great commanders of the Republic of Kazakhstan is really interested in saving the lives of soldiers? Here are the gubby little secretary girls, yes - interesting ... Noticeable.
Only in ,, modern ,, military history, about 40 years old, does the whole world know that the engine in the front is good UNIVERSAL! I repeat ... Definitely for those who have APCs and another ABT seen not only in the pictures. And et and, our, figures, with n and t ,,! And they are not ashamed that, funny Ukraine is ahead of them in some matters

[TermNachTer]

It is economically feasible that three axles are much cheaper than four.

[ProkletyiPirat]

Math is not mistaken, math is mistaken ...

So you can justify anything, but as for 3 people, their main advantage is the smaller BBM length, which, in a compartment with a standard width (2,5 m), allows you to drive on public roads in a dense stream of civilian vehicles.

[TermNachTer]

Well, those who offer this miracle tachanka themselves are not going to fight in it. If possible, they would use the formula 4 X 2.

[Zoomlion]

Tatra, from the time of the socialist camp, with an excavator superstructure, went the same without a front wheel. I compensated for the loss of stability with a bucket on the side of the remaining wheel

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

What country is this ,, miracle chariot ,,? Where is the national embroidered pattern? Where are the titanium pans? Nationality - not indicated. NOT PATIENT.

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

And why is he only riding on the sand ??? I understand that for MP, but show the real cross, this trough, on the road.

[TermNachTer]

You can't go off-road - it can get stuck. How then ukroSS "vparit"?

[O. Bender]

Yellow badges on the body, where do the markers need to aim?

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

Perhaps, but it seems to me that Ukrainians play this in Tetris .

[Lipchanin]

and when will this appear?

[Vadim237]

After 100 years, the desert battleship will definitely appear.

[Incvizitor]

They only have these

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Whatever they say, no matter how they bounce, Ukrainians will still remain traitors in my memory, well, what can I do? Have pity on them? Well, but my attitude will not change from this - a traitor is forever.

[Brabus GmbH]

So your wife is Ukrainian, I remember you were broadcasting about this - does she also turn out to be a traitor?

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Yes, ethnic Ukrainian. If you understand my words. And my son is in the Donbass.

[Brabus GmbH]

In the militia, like a local resident or volunteer from Russia? Or just lives there?

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Probably in the militia, I myself was there, but too old.

[Brabus GmbH]

And why "probably in the militia", you do not communicate?

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Do not meddle in family matters. This is not your business.

[Brabus GmbH]

Forgive me, of course, but you yourself said about your son in the Donbass, and now I’m still getting into family matters ...

[Sergey Averchenkov]

I will not forgive you.

[Brabus GmbH]

You are a strange person Sergey Averchenkov.
You start the conversation yourself, then you fall into an insult ... Then when you start crying, they ask forgiveness for you purely humanly ... And you, as a small child, I will not forget, I will not forgive ...

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Which is. Do you want those who are blinking you? I’m even funny.

[Brabus GmbH]

Okay, sorry again!
If my son was a Ukrainian punisher and fascist, shot civilians in the Donbass, and an ethnic Ukrainian wife would indulge this - I would not be myself, just like you ...

[Sergey Averchenkov]

It seems to me sometimes, but it seems this is not at all true. You famously copy me - my politeness, tactful behavior ... But understand, you do not when you do not become me, you have not been given this since childhood. I was raised this way, but you are not.

[Brabus GmbH]

That's just the point that seems to you ...
It seems, for example, that I want to become you ...
What for? Why am I becoming you? How do you imagine that?

[Sergey Averchenkov]

You again...

[Gray brother]

23,5 tons on six wheels - I can’t understand it.

[Igor Borisov_2]

Quote: vvvjak

Did the corporate identity of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex (cracks in the armor) remain?

No, we decided not to risk it: For the manufacture of an armored personnel carrier, the armored steel of the NATO and EU countries is used.

[72jora72]

and for the manufacture of an armored personnel carrier is used the armored ........

[Grits]

English uniform,
shoulder strap French
tobacco japanese ...

[marshes]

Quote: Igor Borisov_2

No, they decided not to take risks: for the manufacture of an armored personnel carrier, the armor of the NATO and EU countries is used.

If the party is not large, you can do with the purchase of armored steel. Economically profitable.

[engineer74]

A short-sighted welder and a drunk thermist will easily return cracks to a regular place, regardless of the country of origin of steel

[Retvizan 8]

I think this is not a cheap pleasure "the armor-steel of NATO members" (in itself, plus logistics), I'm afraid the Ukrainian military-industrial complex cannot afford such a luxury, otherwise the American boats would not be considered happiness.

[Peter is not the first]

The appearance of cracks only partly depends on the armor steel; they appear during welding due to flaws in the technology. So let's hope that there will be cracks on new machines with imported steel, but made according to the "on the knee" technology.

[svp67]

Not handsome, this "Ataman". Will they show you afloat? And yet, I have big doubts that this armored personnel carrier will be able to move with the loss of any of the front wheels, with the same detonation? It hurts his nose is heavy

[syndicalist]

In reverse

[svp67]

Quote: syndicalist

In reverse

It would be very interesting to see it. You watch the video carefully, even on the hill, his front wheels are not almost off the ground, his nose is heavy. With the loss of the front wheels, I do not exclude that the rear wheels will begin to come off the ground ...

[Sarcasm]

Normal APC, I liked it. This is the second full sample issued by the neighbors to the mountain. The front engine and rear ramp serve as additional protection for the landing. The 6 × 6 wheel arrangement is understandable for the sake of maneuverability. Uninhabited tower.
In short, a typical western armored personnel carrier, there is no fashionable modularity, but there is enhanced mine protection.
Apparently, this armored personnel carrier will be relatively inexpensive and easy to maintain, which will allow Ukrainians to replace the armored personnel carriers BTR-60, -70.

I think in a crisis, falling oil and gas prices, a possible loss of part of the markets, and as a result a reduction in budget revenues, we should also think about an inexpensive replacement for the BTR-80, -82. The boomerang will obviously be much more expensive and more complicated, and in the near future we will not master the large-scale rearmament on it. And such a relatively inexpensive and relatively simple armored personnel carrier, with a front MTO and a rear ramp, maneuverable with a 6 × 6 formula, an uninhabited tower (we have it), more advanced mine protection, on the nodes of the same BTR-80, -82 would be very handy. At least Romanian developments based on our BTR-70, -80 would have been torn apart, and BTR-82 would not have been riveted.

We’ll wait and see if the Ukrainians adopt their armored personnel carrier, maybe even then our ones will be combed ...

[svp67]

Quote: Sarkazm

This is the second full sample issued by the neighbors to the mountain.

And what is usefulness? He went through the entire test cycle and adopted? Or just put in the troops, and then all the flaws will be eliminated? Where is the video afloat? It is intended for the Marine Corps, not to mention the fire and mine = explosive tests. Now they will begin to weld gratings on it, let's see what happens next

[Vasyan1971]

mine protection created according to the NATO standard STANAG 4569, and for the manufacture of an armored personnel carrier uses the armor of NATO member countries and the EU.

This is the main chip and the main trump card. For this, any possible jambs will be written off.
True, this day with armored personnel carriers made of the armored steel of a NATO member country and the EU (Poland) this did not help much, but hope has not died yet.

[awg75]

"... developed by a private Ukrainian company ...." You don't have to read further.

[Fishery]

nice transport, but in the spirit of the USSR, the concept reminds me of the idea of ​​an armored personnel carrier 80, except that mine protection was added

[svp67]

Quote: Tonya

nice transport, but in the spirit of the USSR, the concept reminds me of the idea of ​​an armored personnel carrier 80, except that mine protection was added

You have something clearly with eyesight ....

[Alexfly]

By the way, a very good concept, 6x6: weight, power ratio, with the same armament as 8x8 ..

[svp67]

Quote: AlexFly

By the way, a very good concept, 6x6: weight, power ratio, with the same armament as 8x8 ..

Here, the main thing is that the weight distribution along the axes is observed ...

[TermNachTer]

Another tale of "grandfather Panas", if anyone remembers, there was such a character in the Kiev program - an analogue of "Good night.

[Kerensky]

in the variant for the marine corps AFV "Ataman" will have a total mass of 23500 kg with a payload of at least 5500 kg. The crew of the combat vehicle - 3-4 people,

Riddles .. Riddles ... Well, let's take a crew of 4 people. With an uninhabited tower, this is a mechanic, commander, operator and ... cook? 6 paratroopers in the kit = 5.500 kg. (monsters) Or is it along with BC and fuel? 23.5 tones, is it an armored personnel carrier (wagon) ?!

[Sarcasm]

Quote: Kerensky

in the variant for the marine corps AFV "Ataman" will have a total mass of 23500 kg with a payload of at least 5500 kg. The crew of the combat vehicle - 3-4 people,

Riddles .. Riddles ... Well, let's take a crew of 4 people. With an uninhabited tower, this is a mechanic, commander, operator and ... cook? 6 paratroopers in the kit = 5.500 kg. (monsters) Or is it along with BC and fuel? 23.5 tones, is it an armored personnel carrier (wagon) ?!

The payload is the carrying capacity of an armored personnel carrier without weapons or equipment, for example, if both in the video and in the photo it is without a tower.

The crew of 3 people, the 4th apparently attributed and indicated the commander of the troop compartment.
And this means that, apparently, there are 6 seats in the aft, airborne squad, the driver’s seat is in the front left, followed by three jobs - the crew commander, gunner and squad commander.

Due to the fact that many affectors, even participants, do not know the basics, some write blunders, others are unable to understand them and write regular blunders - one thing in common, everyone wants to show off. And what, as I understand it, it doesn’t matter

[Avior]

everyone mixed up in the article.
there are different versions- 6 and 8 wheels, and different versions- landing, staff, sanitary, fire support and others
possible body kit with additional armor is about 5 tons extra.
specifically, the version in the picture has 3 crew + 7 landing.

[tarakan]

I'm pohren on politics, but the military-industrial complex of Ukraine is gradually growing in quality. South Africa, too, started with wheelbarrows
(Statement of facts)

[marshes]

Quote: tarakan

I'm pohren on politics, but the military-industrial complex of Ukraine is gradually growing in quality. South Africa, too, started with wheelbarrows

It can’t be compared with South Africa, and the military-industrial complex of Ukraine from scratch can scratch future contracts with Kazakhstan. An -74, armored personnel carriers-4, etc. Another two went to jail for bribes, though they went out and the generals have just left us for parole.
The military-industrial complex of Ukraine can be chronicled.

[Nadrub]

Sorry ... something I did not see the test, the usual pokatushki. I also dissect on Kruzak when I break out into nature :)))

[Sarcasm]

Quote: svp67

Quote: Sarkazm

This is the second full sample issued by the neighbors to the mountain.

And what is usefulness? He went through the entire test cycle and adopted? Or just put in the troops, and then all the flaws will be eliminated? Where is the video afloat? It is intended for the Marine Corps, not to mention the fire and mine = explosive tests. Now they will begin to weld gratings on it, let's see what happens next

Completeness in layout and design solutions, ideology. The BTR-4 had flaws, it was not about the quality of welding or assembly, but about the layout. But even he is head and shoulders above our common Soviet "Zaporozhets" BTR-60PB in layout and ideology and everything that was riveted on its base up to today's BTR-82 ...

[Sarcasm]

Quote: awg75

"... developed by a private Ukrainian company ...." You don't have to read further.

Our MIC, the manufacturer of the BTR-80, -82 family, belongs to the GAZ Group, the GAZ Group belongs to the "Family".
Also a private company ... your findings? To remove the moth-beaten "Zaporozhets" BTR-80, -82, from service to the devil's grandmother? - I support!

[forester1971]

Inventing and building in a single copy is one thing, and launching in a series, organizing maintenance and repair - this is a more ambitious task, practically impossible for Ukraine.

[tarakanovaleksei]

1oo% true !!!

[Kot_Kuzya]

Marines, damn it. I wonder what these marines will land on? From the five inflatable boats that the Americans sold them?

[tolmachiev51]

- "created according to the NATO STANAG 4569 standard, and for the manufacture of an armored vehicle, the armored steel of the NATO and EU member states is used" - suddenly NATO "bites", you can ask for money due to the meager budget of the Armed Forces ..

[core]

this car has no prospects. Apparently for the Ukrainian army the price tag will be horse, and Europeans do it for themselves.

[tarakanovaleksei]

Garbage truck, centaur and ataman.
Fear the enemy !!!