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In Warsaw: Russians did not request permission to fly to Italy through Polish airspace

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In Warsaw: Russians did not request permission to fly to Italy through Polish airspace

Polish political elites are outraged by the words of Russian Senator Alexei Pushkov regarding the passage of transport aircraft with virological teams and medical equipment to Italy. Recall that Russia sent at least 14 special aircraft as assistance to Italy in the fight against the coronavirus pandemic.


The Chairman of the Commission on Information Policy of the Federation Council of the Russian Federation, Alexei Pushkov, noted that Poland did not allow airplanes bound for Italy through its airspace. That is why the Russian transport Ilam had to make a hook several hundred kilometers more than the optimal route, flying over the Krasnodar Territory, the Black Sea, Turkey and the countries of southern Europe.

In Poland, allegations that Russian airplanes were not allowed into the airspace of the country responded with a statement that Moscow had not made a similar request to official Warsaw.

From the statement of the Polish Foreign Minister M. Pszydach:

The Russians did not request permission to fly through Polish airspace.

The representative of the Polish Air Navigation Services Agency, Pavel Lukashevich, in an interview with Onet portal, where they told the Poles about Pushkov’s tweet:

Polish airspace is open for transit. It is a lie that we did not want to miss Russian planes. According to our findings, the Agency did not receive any flight plans from Russia, and this is the main element of attempts to obtain a transit permit. The plan provides basic flight information, including take-off location, landing and the nature of the flight.

Recall that Italy is a sad leader in the number of people infected with coronavirus and the number of deaths from this disease.

At the moment, Alexey Pushkov's tweet about Poland and the flight of Russian planes to Italy is not detected.
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  1. Honest Citizen
    Honest Citizen 24 March 2020 16: 00 New
    -22
    At the moment, Alexey Pushkov's tweet about Poland and the flight of Russian planes to Italy is not detected.

    The guns are lying, the Poles are also lying, they have been caught repeatedly on this.
    No one can be trusted. Just a fact.
    But the facts are: airplanes in Italy, albeit with a hook.
    Now everyone can wave their fists.
    1. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 24 March 2020 16: 04 New
      +41
      We flew through SOCHI There is a gas station.
      How to fly through Poland ???
      There was infa that both Czechs and Poles appropriated Chinese aid for Italy
      1. Barmaleyka
        Barmaleyka 24 March 2020 16: 10 New
        -1
        Quote: To be or not to be
        We flew through SOCHI There is a gas station.
        How to fly through Poland ???

        with refueling in KO
        1. BMP-2
          BMP-2 24 March 2020 18: 30 New
          0
          Ko is Switzerland :).
          1. krot
            krot 24 March 2020 18: 51 New
            +10
            The Russians did not request permission to fly through Polish airspace.

            I understand, if it was! There is a good Russian proverb: "Do not touch the excrement - it will not stink!"
            1. Shurik70
              Shurik70 24 March 2020 19: 46 New
              +6
              Well, the Poles did not want the version of "did not miss the planes."
              Now a more detailed version of the Pushkovs will be voiced - "they were afraid that the planes would plunder."
              As has already been done with Chinese aircraft.
              https://yandex.ru/turbo?text=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rubaltic.ru%2Farticle%2Fpolitika-i-obshchestvo%2F24032020-khroniki-solidarnosti-polsha-otzhala-u-soyuznikov-po-nato-gumanitarnuyu-pomoshch%2F
          2. Barmaleyka
            Barmaleyka 24 March 2020 18: 57 New
            +3
            no, Kaliningrad
            1. BMP-2
              BMP-2 26 March 2020 01: 28 New
              +1
              https://www.tripadvisor.ru/Tourism-g1096361-Caux_Canton_of_Vaud-Vacations.html?fid=1acae749-2a2c-446b-b144-75142d010a24
              Switzerland!)
      2. geoan
        geoan 24 March 2020 16: 57 New
        +1
        Here is another question: is it possible to imagine in our time (regardless of the virus) the passage of any plane through the borders of any state, without prior approval (request)? It turns out Russia requested a flight, but Poland refused! Here they are, reindeer wassat (such as Euro-Atlantic solidarity)
        1. Saxahorse
          Saxahorse 24 March 2020 23: 52 New
          0
          Quote: geoan
          is it possible to imagine in our time (regardless of the virus) the flight of any plane through the borders of any state, without prior approval (request)?

          It turns out! The Polish president once flew to Smolensk! Poles probably like to do that. :)
        2. ccsr
          ccsr 25 March 2020 18: 54 New
          +5
          Quote: geoan
          It turns out Russia requested a flight, but Poland refused!

          There was no request, and it couldn’t be, if only because the chosen flight route through Sochi was much cheaper for us than flying through the airspace of European countries. Firstly, we flew over our territories, refueled at our place, and the main thing was that most of the flight went over the sea, there was no need to pay for escort. Secondly, this route has already been worked out in connection with Syria and the supply of our complexes to Serbia, which means that the pilots are better prepared for such flights, and there are fewer problems for them.
      3. n0001
        n0001 24 March 2020 17: 02 New
        -4
        It is public relations agencies that provide such false information. Who pays them for it? Divide and rule. Who do you think will be interested in transmitting such information to the press?
        1. major147
          major147 25 March 2020 00: 00 New
          +13
          Quote: n0001
          public relations agencies provide such false information

          Apparently the truth is somewhere in the middle. It recalls the story of the murdered Chechen terrorist in Germany. Ours say that they asked for extradition, but the Germans say no. It turns out that all the same they were contacted by intelligence. The Germans "moved out", like there was no appeal through the Foreign Ministry.
          1. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 25 March 2020 03: 13 New
            +8
            Quote: major147
            Apparently the truth is somewhere in the middle. It reminds the story of .... The Germans "moved out", like there was no appeal from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

            I’m also interested, the Air Navigation Service says they didn’t receive a request, but what will the Polish Foreign Ministry say? After all, it is they who are turned to receive a flight of military aircraft, these will be where they will “move out”.
            1. Yuyuka
              Yuyuka 25 March 2020 10: 03 New
              +5
              everything is much simpler, there was already an explanation about this - we just decided not to waste time coordinating the flight ... the whole situation with the ban was sucked out of one's finger, based on the flight route on Flightradar. You always need to look for sources of information and then Pushkov hastened, if, of course, this was the place to be
              1. Pete mitchell
                Pete mitchell 25 March 2020 11: 18 New
                +2
                I agree that with the coordination there it was not easy: military aircraft, most likely with cargo disappearing into the Dangerous Goods category - coordination with all countries along the route is necessary. MO could demonstrate a request to the Polish Foreign Ministry and everything would become clear
                1. Roman 57 rus
                  Roman 57 rus 25 March 2020 17: 33 New
                  +2
                  And why even a dangerous load ??? There infected were taken out or what ??? Or what kind of bacilli were transported by type: the shed-burn and the hut burned down?
                  1. Pete mitchell
                    Pete mitchell 25 March 2020 17: 48 New
                    +3
                    You don’t know what means and how much they brought there, not because they use napkins.
                    Good luck to them and everyone back
            2. major147
              major147 25 March 2020 12: 02 New
              +1
              Quote: Pete Mitchell
              and what will the Polish Foreign Ministry say?

              Perhaps the appeal was through the MO.
              1. Pete mitchell
                Pete mitchell 25 March 2020 12: 05 New
                +3
                This should be in the line of foreign affairs agencies: airplanes military pole cargo is most likely dangerous. Administering the coordination of flights through Europe is more difficult.
      4. orionvitt
        orionvitt 24 March 2020 20: 34 New
        +6
        Quote: To be or not to be
        We flew through SOCHI There refueling

        Why refuel if the street IL-76, a range of 5000 km with a full load. I figured on the map, through Poland, 2500 km, through Sochi, 3500. It makes sense to refuel halfway, if there is one way fuel. And on the way back, you can refuel on the spot. Or the Italians ran out of kerosene?
        1. mikh-korsakov
          mikh-korsakov 25 March 2020 04: 34 New
          0
          Vitaliy. What was really possible to fantasize about. As an option. In Moscow there was no required amount of disinfectant, got to Sochi
          1. orionvitt
            orionvitt 25 March 2020 04: 47 New
            0
            Quote: mikh-korsakov
            In Moscow there was no required amount of disinfectant, got to Sochi

            Of course, we can only fantasize. But knowing the Poles, the version with Poland seems to me more convincing. Moreover, to carry with it also a disinfectant, also by airplanes, as it is unprofitable.
            1. mikh-korsakov
              mikh-korsakov 25 March 2020 06: 43 New
              +5
              Vitaliy! I once managed to work in Italy, and in the hospital in Pisa, and I know what kind of mess is going on there, with all my sincere sympathy for the Italian people. Therefore, I would not be surprised that this solution in the right quantities would be searched for a week throughout Italy, which is bad in all respects.
              1. mmaxx
                mmaxx 25 March 2020 08: 31 New
                +5
                Yes. Good people are Italians. But working with them is a punishment.
                1. mikh-korsakov
                  mikh-korsakov 25 March 2020 09: 27 New
                  +2
                  mmax. That's for sure. A lot of time has passed. But I remembered one word for life. domani (tomorrow). But "tomorrow" - what had to be done - is unlikely to happen.
                  1. Pete mitchell
                    Pete mitchell 25 March 2020 12: 12 New
                    +2
                    Quote: mikh-korsakov
                    I have remembered one word for life. domani (tomorrow) ..

                    I don’t know how long you worked in Italy, but something does not change in this world, domain ...
        2. mmaxx
          mmaxx 25 March 2020 08: 31 New
          +1
          Less kerosene means more cargo. Everything is clear here.
      5. EnGenius
        EnGenius 24 March 2020 23: 21 New
        +1
        I think for a flight to Italy, a refueling in Sochi is not needed ...
        1. 30143
          30143 25 March 2020 06: 45 New
          +1
          Sometimes refuel, so that it was back without refueling. There, back from Sochi 2500 + 2500. And the range of IL 5000. Everything is logical. They didn’t want to pay currency for refueling there. Here is the answer. And along the way, the Poles were cheated. And the guys are not in Coogs.
          1. vladimych
            vladimych 25 March 2020 09: 58 New
            0
            Wouldn’t pasta be seasoned for free?
            1. Rustic i ......
              Rustic i ...... 26 March 2020 12: 52 New
              0
              Freebie? It is sacred. There they sent a ship with cruise missiles to the coast of Crimea. They lie that to "contain Russia." Take it away!
    2. Sergey Averchenkov
      Sergey Averchenkov 24 March 2020 16: 15 New
      +7
      “No one can be trusted” - do you believe your wife?
      1. Honest Citizen
        Honest Citizen 24 March 2020 16: 17 New
        -2
        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
        “No one can be trusted” - do you believe your wife?

        They took the phrase out of context and decided to sharpen it?
        1. Sergey Averchenkov
          Sergey Averchenkov 24 March 2020 16: 19 New
          +3
          Sorry, I didn’t mean to offend you.
          1. Oleg Zorin_2
            Oleg Zorin_2 24 March 2020 17: 24 New
            +4
            I also apologize, I do not want to offend you, but "nobody" is written together.
            1. Sergey Averchenkov
              Sergey Averchenkov 24 March 2020 17: 40 New
              0
              Well, let it be together.
      2. neri73-r
        neri73-r 24 March 2020 16: 19 New
        -8
        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
        “No one can be trusted” - do you believe your wife?

        No, he believes himself before dinner, and after dinner - to no one! (with) laughing
      3. smart ass
        smart ass 24 March 2020 21: 21 New
        -1
        You really can’t believe your wife
    3. iouris
      iouris 24 March 2020 16: 16 New
      -3
      Quote: Honest Citizen
      Cannon is lying

      And it doesn’t matter anymore. The first word is more expensive than the second. {Dishonest citizen}
      Let Italians deal with this.
      1. Honest Citizen
        Honest Citizen 24 March 2020 16: 21 New
        +1
        The Chairman of the Information Policy Commission of the Federation Council of the Russian Federation, Alexei Pushkov, noted that Poland did not let airplanes heading to Italy through its airspace.

        From the text of the news. And the next one too.
        At the moment, Alexey Pushkov's tweet about Poland and the flight of Russian planes to Italy is not detected.

        And if you CAREFULLY After reading my comment, you should also see the following:
        No one can be trusted. Just a fact.
        But the facts are: airplanes in Italy, albeit with a hook.

        The selectivity of your eyes is amazing!
        1. iouris
          iouris 24 March 2020 16: 33 New
          -8
          Quote: Honest Citizen
          The selectivity of your eyes is amazing!

          A bit of theory.
          Vision is the sensory organ. It gives a feeling.
          Human sensory organs are limited. They are able to display the world around them within certain boundaries.
          Sensation is the first stage of cognitive activity.
          Perception is a complex process in which many areas of a person’s mental activity are involved: attention, memory, thinking, emotions.
          A significant part of the symptoms of sensory cognitive impairment are associated with certain emotional states and even personality traits.
          Maybe I should go check.
          But I didn’t mean to offend you.
    4. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 24 March 2020 16: 27 New
      +10
      Quote: Honest Citizen
      No one can be trusted.

    5. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 24 March 2020 16: 32 New
      0
      Quote: Honest Citizen
      No one can be trusted. Just a fact.

      Yes. Undoubtedly.
    6. Trevis
      Trevis 24 March 2020 17: 38 New
      0
      Quote: Honest Citizen
      The guns are lying, the Poles are also lying, they have been caught repeatedly on this.

      I do not believe you!
      1. Honest Citizen
        Honest Citizen 24 March 2020 17: 47 New
        -2
        Quote: Trevis
        I do not believe you!

        You will probably be surprised. I don’t believe you either.
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 24 March 2020 18: 33 New
          +4
          Quote: Trevis
          Quote: Honest Citizen
          The guns are lying, the Poles are also lying, they have been caught repeatedly on this.

          I do not believe you!

          Quote: Honest Citizen
          Quote: Trevis
          I do not believe you!

          You will probably be surprised. I don’t believe you either.

          laughing
        2. Trevis
          Trevis 24 March 2020 20: 21 New
          0
          Quote: Honest Citizen
          I don’t believe you either.

          Nooooooo!
    7. Victorio
      Victorio 24 March 2020 20: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: Honest Citizen
      Cannons lying, the Poles also lie, they were repeatedly caught on this.
      No one can be trusted. Just a fact.

      ===
      let's see, and here is such information: \\ Polish expert: the flight of Russians to Italy destroys the cohesion of NATO \\
      Read more: https://eadaily.com/en/news/2020/03/24/polskiy-ekspert-polyot-russkih-v-italiyu-razrushaet-splochyonnost-nato
    8. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 24 March 2020 22: 18 New
      +12
      Quote: Honest Citizen
      The guns are lying, the Poles are also lying, they have been caught repeatedly on this.

      Well, it's you in vain. He doesn’t lie, but improvises, because he used the same method used by the Poles. As the saying goes "the same fat on the wort." The Poles lie about Katyn, lie about a fallen plane with Kaczynski. They know that they are lying, but their goal is to force Russia to make excuses to Poland in the eyes of the world community. Pushkov’s tactics are somewhat broader - Poland is forced to make excuses not so much to Russia as to Italy and all countries within the EU and NATO. It’s not a weak move for itself as an alaverdi, which has a long-term effect aimed at making Europeans doubt the ostentatious unity. Five points!
      1. major147
        major147 24 March 2020 23: 35 New
        +5
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        Poland is forced to make excuses not so much to Russia as to Italy and all countries within the EU and NATO.

        As the saying goes: "Spoons were found, but the sediment remained."
      2. Sergey M. Karasev
        Sergey M. Karasev 25 March 2020 05: 20 New
        +1
        It’s quite not a weak move as an Alaverdi, which has a long-term effect aimed at making Europeans doubt the ostentatious unity.

        And here there is already nothing to doubt: there is none! Yes, and never was. Real, not ostentatious unity.
    9. Basil50
      Basil50 25 March 2020 06: 41 New
      +1
      so here, and also * honest ... *
      The Poles openly lie, this was announced from representatives of those countries through which they planned to fly to Italy.
  2. Loess
    Loess 24 March 2020 16: 01 New
    +4
    In Warsaw: Russians did not request permission to fly to Italy through Polish airspace
    After reading the title of the article, the first thing I thought was: did ours really pass over Poland without permission?
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 24 March 2020 17: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: Less
      did ours pass over Poland without permission?

      If this happened, then the Poles are unlikely to say anything now. wassat
      1. orionvitt
        orionvitt 24 March 2020 20: 41 New
        +2
        Quote: Paranoid50
        If this happened, then the Poles are unlikely to say anything now.

        If this happened, then the Poles on the guano would have long gone. How? Russians without permission? Already a howl would stand on all "Ivanovo". At the same time, they would blame another attempt at aggression.
        1. CT-55_11-9009
          CT-55_11-9009 26 March 2020 13: 47 New
          0
          Quote: orionvitt
          At the same time, they would blame another attempt at aggression.

          Yeah, the evil Russians came and brazenly sanitized (oh, pah, occupied) all of Poland.
  3. Sergei 777
    Sergei 777 24 March 2020 16: 03 New
    -2
    I did not expect this from Pushkov.
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 24 March 2020 16: 35 New
      +4
      Quote: Sergey 777
      I did not expect this from Pushkov.

      If so, then yes. Thick minus reputation. You can’t be stupid like that.
    2. dali
      dali 24 March 2020 16: 49 New
      +5
      Quote: Sergey 777

      I did not expect this from Pushkov.


      And someone proved that he was lying ?! belay

      The fact that Poland may not have received an official request does not mean anything!

      Therefore, if it’s clear to you in such urgent cases, they quickly coordinate the flight in the form of a direct conversation of the relevant persons and the papers are quickly signed ... and here it is clear, we immediately answered we will coordinate the current number of days - which was unacceptable in this case - that’s all.

      So Pushkov didn’t lie at all.
      1. evgenii67
        evgenii67 24 March 2020 19: 40 New
        0
        Coordination can be obtained in a few hours, and in such situations, I am sure even faster. When I worked at my previous job, periodically launched a UAV to monitor the forest fund, and so I agreed 2–3 days before the flight, and when there was a priest and there were forest fires, they gave me permission on the same day. With large aircraft, everything goes much faster, threw an application, there are no restrictions, the corridor is free, fly the falcon.
        1. Siberian54
          Siberian54 25 March 2020 03: 31 New
          +2
          Military transport aircraft .. cargo of the DEFENSE MINISTRY of the Russian Federation, the refusal \ delay from Poland is logical .. And with this shit on the fan, the Poles look pale ..
    3. sagitch
      sagitch 24 March 2020 23: 54 New
      +1
      We fight with their weapons and methods. Politics, damn it ...
  4. The comment was deleted.
  5. Evgeny Rubtsov_2
    Evgeny Rubtsov_2 24 March 2020 16: 06 New
    +15
    Poland would gladly refuse.
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 24 March 2020 16: 13 New
      +5
      Quote: Evgeny Rubtsov_2
      Poland would gladly refuse.

      You're right. They do not miss the Russian military side.
      According to the Polish side, they didn’t let the Shoigu board pass due to the allegedly incorrect registration of a military flight. It turns out that to obtain permission for the Tu-154 flight of the Russian Ministry of Defense without problems, the Shoigu plane had to register not as a military, but as ... a civilian flight!
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 24 March 2020 16: 18 New
        +16
        exactly. any sides of a military purpose. This is a ban and long-standing. why are they outraged? why didn’t they beg them?
        1. vladimirvn
          vladimirvn 24 March 2020 19: 58 New
          0
          Pshek should know their place. Only in this way, they must be brought up!
        2. orionvitt
          orionvitt 24 March 2020 20: 44 New
          0
          Quote: carstorm 11
          any military side

          Only the military side, but the appointment, just a very civilian. In this case.
          1. Rustic i ......
            Rustic i ...... 26 March 2020 13: 04 New
            0
            For processing agricultural fields with anything, at least a "newbie". Documents could be bungled. Paper can stand it.
    2. your1970
      your1970 25 March 2020 11: 09 New
      0
      It would be PERFECT option for us- "We want to save Italy, but Poland does not let ... they are evil, inhumane and not tolerant ... they are fu for the EU ..."
      Poland would have been pulled slightly by the EU people - with a boot ..... belay
      1. Rustic i ......
        Rustic i ...... 26 March 2020 13: 06 New
        0
        We must ask the Czechs: Where are the masks?
  6. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 24 March 2020 16: 07 New
    +12
    Poles spun like crucians in a pan))

    How else will they make excuses?))
  7. Sergei 23
    Sergei 23 24 March 2020 16: 09 New
    +4
    I don’t know how it was. But you need to patrol on foot!
  8. Lopatov
    Lopatov 24 March 2020 16: 09 New
    +13
    Well done Pushkov.
    That's right. Purely in the style of "partners". Including the Poles themselves.

    Now let them justify themselves ...
    1. dali
      dali 24 March 2020 16: 52 New
      +1
      Anyway - someone proved that he was lying ?! belay

      The fact that Poland may not have received an official request does not mean anything!

      Therefore, if it’s clear to you in such urgent cases, they quickly coordinate the flight in the form of a direct conversation of the relevant persons and the papers are quickly signed ... and here it is clear, we immediately answered we will coordinate the current number of days - which was unacceptable in this case - that’s all.

      So Pushkov didn’t lie at all.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 24 March 2020 20: 59 New
        +5
        Quote: Dali
        Anyway - someone proved that he was lying ?!

        And what difference does it lie or not?
        Highly Likeley © Poland is to blame for the strange route of Russian planes.
        Let them try to prove that this is not so.

        Why are they sure that only they have the right to play this game?
  9. Igor Borisov_2
    Igor Borisov_2 24 March 2020 16: 09 New
    +14
    Quote: Evgeny Rubtsov_2
    Poland would gladly refuse.


    Or two weeks agreed on the route .....
  10. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 24 March 2020 16: 11 New
    +3
    Well, then Poland will no longer be and it makes no sense to request
  11. Black sniper
    Black sniper 24 March 2020 16: 11 New
    +6
    I am sure that all Poles knew about the flight, they simply didn’t miss out of harm.
    1. Looking for
      Looking for 24 March 2020 16: 17 New
      0
      This is not harmful - this is politics.
      1. Black sniper
        Black sniper 24 March 2020 16: 32 New
        +3
        I’ll recover, out of harm for political reasons, I meant it. hi
  12. K-50
    K-50 24 March 2020 16: 13 New
    +5
    The Russians did not request permission to fly to Italy through Polish airspace

    When the Italians asked why Poland didn’t let Russian planes reach them with help against the coronavirus, the Poles immediately began to look for excuses. lol
  13. knn54
    knn54 24 March 2020 16: 14 New
    +11
    The expert of the Polish Center for Oriental Studies Andrzej Wilk (ex-employee of the Ministry of Defense of Poland) indirectly confirmed the version that it was Poland that didn’t let the military transport aircraft IL-7 of the Russian Aerospace Forces help Italy, as a result of which the liners were forced to fly through the Black Sea and the Balkans.
    Read more: https://eadaily.com/en/news/2020/03/24/polskiy-ekspert-polyot-russkih-v-italiyu-razrushaet-splochyonnost-nato
  14. frolov andrey
    frolov andrey 24 March 2020 16: 21 New
    -20
    Pushkov lied! Eka is not seen ?!
    - if he lied, he can shoot himself (it’s a joke - just resign, like: forgive my brothers for God's sake, I’ve got a deputy in law, steer in my place, I’ll go on sinning now) ?!
    - and from what party is he?
    1. dali
      dali 24 March 2020 16: 53 New
      -3
      Quote: frolov andrey
      Pushkov lied! Eka is not seen ?!


      And someone proved that he was lying ?! belay

      The fact that Poland may not have received an official request does not mean anything!

      Therefore, if it’s clear to you in such urgent cases, they quickly coordinate the flight in the form of a direct conversation of the relevant persons and the papers are quickly signed ... and here it is clear, we immediately answered we will coordinate the current number of days - which was unacceptable in this case - that’s all.

      So Pushkov didn’t lie at all.
      1. frolov andrey
        frolov andrey 26 March 2020 14: 33 New
        -1
        So what? Mistaken - it means that it is written wrong and you need to apologize! And don't be quiet! - quietly deleted the post and that's it! Is he still the head of the committee or who ?! From him, others take an example .. And here it turns out lied to the bushes! The stink rose - hatred.
        By the simple he got it! Che you wipe him, he himself can not what?
        Too many balabol employees in high positions, just to blurt out what! This is used by the liberals!
        Instead of defending him, you would be better off teaching him (and the rest of the ranks) what you would think and checking the information, once you have chosen the role of the explanator.
        1. dali
          dali 29 March 2020 23: 08 New
          -3
          Quote: frolov andrey
          So what? Mistaken - it means that it is written wrong and you need to apologize! And don't be quiet! - quietly deleted the post and that's it!

          Deleted a post and made a mistake at different things ...

          I don’t like my explanation, just say so ... you don’t need to attribute to others the actions of wiping, otherwise you will be the very liberal.
          1. frolov andrey
            frolov andrey 30 March 2020 20: 07 New
            0
            I checked the info, he managed it (did not catch the hype on the wave), now continuing to stubbornly in the last word and you confirm my assumption that you are wiped. They could have spent time checking instead of an answer. I’m rather a communist and an ardent opponent of disobedience. It’s already cracking from the shifters, the finger seems to be pulling the trigger, and the doctors of the people are running like rats over a hill !! Such thoughts do not visit you !?
  15. Ravil_Asnafovich
    Ravil_Asnafovich 24 March 2020 16: 22 New
    +3
    Here I have one thought left my head, the Poles are going to Katyn, what our "smart" heads will say in connection with the epidemic ...
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 24 March 2020 16: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: Ravil_Asnafovich
      Poles gather in Katyn, what our "smart" heads will say in connection with the epidemic ...

      They will say that the border is closed yet, come back later.
      1. Oleg Zorin_2
        Oleg Zorin_2 24 March 2020 17: 29 New
        +1
        The border is really closed, there’s no need to invent anything.
        1. Rustic i ......
          Rustic i ...... 26 March 2020 13: 22 New
          -1
          I wonder how they will delay mosquitoes already having a charge of coronovirus in their trunk?
  16. fleks
    fleks 24 March 2020 16: 26 New
    +1
    Guys. most likely there is no contradiction. After all, the permission of Belarus was also necessary along the route. Poland .Slovakia. Austria or Germany. Italy. And if one of the above has already given a refusal, then asking Poland did not make sense.
    1. dali
      dali 24 March 2020 17: 04 New
      0
      It was Poland that refused, they simply answered a direct question by telephone that they would consider for a long time ... there is no further sense in such actions. And for the future, it’s good that they found a workaround, why give Poland another boost ?!
      1. fleks
        fleks 24 March 2020 17: 13 New
        +4
        Everything can be - I do not exclude your version. but how do you know about the results of a confidential conversation? And in defense of my version --- there are rules for considering permits. Moreover, they are different in different countries. And even if it was a civilian or76 Poles do not need permission at all, they fly according to the FPL submitted before the flight. And in our case, a group of military aircraft --- it really takes time to issue such a permit, not just a clerk, but at the very top
        1. dali
          dali 24 March 2020 18: 08 New
          -2
          Quote: fleks
          And in defense of my version --- there are rules for considering permits. Moreover, different in different countries.

          Just these norms confirm my version. These norms can be used, or not, because the situation is crisis ...
          1. fleks
            fleks 24 March 2020 18: 43 New
            +1
            What else can I add? Permits to fly commercial flights are paid and urgent prices are different. Whether a fee is taken to the account of state aviation and, accordingly, is it possible to reduce the time for consideration, I don’t know
      2. orionvitt
        orionvitt 24 March 2020 20: 53 New
        +2
        Quote: Dali
        why once again give Poland a promotion ?!

        What is this PR? Is that black. Do not miss (albeit military sides), with humanitarian aid and doctors, during the general epidemic (especially to your NATO ally and "common Europe"), it’s even hard to say what to call it. That's why the Poles turn around like in a frying pan, such as "we did not receive any request." I would have believed if in Poland there was someone else, and so, I do not believe Psheks, from the word at all. They have Russophobia, their brains are completely lost.
  17. Alien From
    Alien From 24 March 2020 16: 27 New
    +3
    They decided to stop pans once again, that’s the whole story!
  18. NEXUS
    NEXUS 24 March 2020 16: 28 New
    +10
    A transparent hint that if they ever rock the boat, no one will ask them, but simply level them off the ground.
    As for permissions ... then many regimes, including the US, instead of collecting all the resources and localizing the epidemic, are engaged in verbiage and escalation of hysteria.
    It will be very interesting for me to listen to the same Italian leading circles when the epidemic comes to naught. Namely, in the context of who is there friend, who is the enemy, and who just like that ... yeah. And something tells me that anti-Russian rhetoric, as well as sanctions, will not stop.
  19. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 24 March 2020 16: 28 New
    +4
    Believe pshekam- do not respect yourself. In a word, all around, friends, and, brothers, Slavs, all these, bros, how cheap (ladies of easy virtue)
  20. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 24 March 2020 16: 28 New
    +9
    Judging by the efficiency of our Poles, they got into a pose of the type, provide flight plans, we will consider the type, our country without hesitation asked for alternative route countries. As a result, the Poles may not have refused, but remained in the lowered position.
    1. dali
      dali 24 March 2020 16: 57 New
      -6
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov

      Judging by the efficiency of our Poles, they got into a pose of the type, provide flight plans, we will consider the type, our country without hesitation asked for alternative route countries. As a result, the Poles may not have refused, but remained in the lowered position.


      The fact that Poland may not have received an official request does not mean anything - I completely agree with you!

      And here it is clear, we immediately answered we will coordinate the current number of days - which was unacceptable in this case - that’s all. And this is the same as to refuse in this case.
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 24 March 2020 17: 11 New
        +7
        Quote: Dali
        The fact that Poland may not have received an official request

        Everyone has long understood you. Why the FOURTH TIME one and the same post? request
        1. victor50
          victor50 24 March 2020 21: 09 New
          +2
          Quote: Piramidon
          Quote: Dali
          The fact that Poland may not have received an official request

          Everyone has long understood you. Why the FOURTH TIME one and the same post?

          The man himself put forward the version, he believed in it as in the truth, is trying to establish himself and convince others of his "knowledge", and you so ... hi
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  22. rosomaha
    rosomaha 24 March 2020 16: 34 New
    0
    Bzdashek zapadlovskih forgot to ask ...
  23. 1536
    1536 24 March 2020 17: 08 New
    -2
    More news or not, how to discuss the actions of the Poles all the time? How could anything else be expected from them?
  24. Ham
    Ham 24 March 2020 17: 11 New
    0
    so they could roll not along the line of Warsaw but along the NATO line! most likely it happened - there are also no fools to substitute like that ...
    but the type of "NATO against" is easy ... "European solidarity" is all things ... and the official Warsaw, as it were, is not at work ...
  25. Brabus GmbH
    Brabus GmbH 24 March 2020 17: 20 New
    -11
    If Pushkov so ridiculously framed our country, then he is an employee of Agencja Wywiadu and he needs to be shot after amending the constitution, like a Polish agent ...
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  27. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 24 March 2020 17: 32 New
    +2
    Eka how banged laughing Something I think, such a demonstrative flyby scared European partners much more than Wahhabi terrorists. laughing laughing
  28. Oleg Zorin_2
    Oleg Zorin_2 24 March 2020 17: 36 New
    -2
    Oh God, how many copies! )) For some reason, it doesn’t occur to anyone that a short route needs to request Belarus, Poland, Germany, someone else. And in short, you can generally only Turkey. Do you always take a short trip or where there are fewer traffic lights? :)
  29. Avior
    Avior 24 March 2020 17: 55 New
    0
    in principle, it was clear from the very beginning that they had not requested.
    Poland can be easily circled through Germany, no difference.
    And you need to fly through several countries, everyone had to request
    If the Germans and others were not requested, then the Poles also made no sense.
    Pushkov just threw a little on the fan, that's just business
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 24 March 2020 19: 32 New
      0
      Quote: Avior
      Poland can be easily circled through Germany, no difference.

      Flying through Germany around Poland, it turns out even further. It would have to fly through St. Petersburg and the Baltic Sea. Because the Baltic states are even cleaner than the Poles. Certainly would have rested on the horns. Yes, and with Austria there could be problems.
      1. Avior
        Avior 24 March 2020 23: 16 New
        +2
        There would be a need, they fly to Kaliningrad, almost Germany
        Poland doesn’t have a common border with Italy, that means they had to request someone else, at least two countries separate Poland from Italy, except Austria or the Czech Republic or Slovakia, and not a word was heard that they were being asked.
        how flew real- incomprehensible
        From Sochi through Turkey, you need to fly around Greece, this is even further than through Germany
    2. Oleg Zorin_2
      Oleg Zorin_2 25 March 2020 01: 54 New
      0
      I crammed the minuses for the same thought))))
  30. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 24 March 2020 17: 59 New
    0
    The Poles are right! They were asked in English. In Russian, no one asked.
  31. Kerensky
    Kerensky 24 March 2020 18: 09 New
    -2
    This is .... And we are helping the wrong guys that apply sanctions against us?
    Yes, I understand, - it’s not from ordinary people, to help forever. But somehow it’s wandering around in my head ...
  32. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 24 March 2020 18: 10 New
    +10
    That is why the Germans, having captured Poland for almost 2 years, reached the border with the USSR: they could not issue a transit permit.
  33. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 24 March 2020 18: 38 New
    -2

    According to the flight map, transport IL-76s flew along the route Chkalovsky (30 km from Moscow) - Adler (Sochi) - Praktik de Mare (Italian Air Force base 30 km from Rome). Russian aircraft had to make a serious detour, with refueling in Sochi


    In fact, I would not be very surprised if the Poles actually they wouldn’t be allowed to fly through their airspace. It could well be scared. They too well remember the events of 1968 in Czechoslovakia when, at 2 a.m. on August 21, the An-24 aircraft flying to the Ruzine airfield in Prague requested an emergency landing due to alleged damage on board. After permission and landing, the paratroopers from the aircraft captured the airport control tower and secured the landing of the advanced units of the 7th Airborne Division. What happened next, everyone knows well.
    1. Simargl
      Simargl 24 March 2020 20: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: A. Privalov
      What happened next, everyone knows well
      Now the airspace is controlled much better and a carcass like the AN-24 will not hide (unless you roll it). And to get a rocket ...
      Simply put - an owl did not fit the globe.
    2. Avior
      Avior 24 March 2020 23: 18 New
      0
      on the map, many borders intersect in any case, if through Poland
      and there are no reports that they gave permission.
  34. Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm 24 March 2020 20: 39 New
    0
    Why publish such an article?
    1. Cook
      Cook 24 March 2020 21: 54 New
      +4
      In general, if you look at how this story developed, it is not clear why Pushkov, for no good reason, took and drove into the Poles. At first, some blogger noticed that Ilov’s route was somehow crooked, and he drew the attention of the Internet community. Then some experts (it would be interesting to find out in which areas) suddenly declared that there are no other reasons to fly crookedly, except for Poland’s refusal to provide a flight over its territory. And then they let down the dogs on the Poles in the internet, and Mr. Pushkov, apparently in a hurry, also branded them a shame on Twitter. Meanwhile, there may be plenty of reasons for such a hook.
      As a rule, BTA planes fly abroad according to international civil rules. Accordingly, in order to carry out all the necessary procedures, the aircraft must be equipped with a number of additional systems, which are quite expensive, and for tasks usually solved by the BTA, are absolutely unnecessary. To ensure the necessary accuracy of navigation specified by the rules, an appropriately modified flight computer is needed. For flights under RVSM conditions (flights with a reduced vertical separation interval), a departure warning system is needed. For flights in Europe are mandatory: Aircraft Dangerous Approach Warning System (TCAS), Ground Collision Warning System (GPWS), and a transponder with ADS-B function. If you don’t have all this, then they will let you fly, but not along the main routes, and at such echelons that no kerosene is enough. Here, it is possible that the choice of route is due to the fact that if you go south, then the airspace is less busy, not so hard to follow the rules, and you can agree on a more favorable flight level. Well, and the simplest thing, we do not know whether the Chkalovsky airfield still has an international status, and whether it is possible to fly out of it abroad. And just as trite we do not know how they have now with kerosene, for example. This is not the first time that the Air Force’s planes, flying abroad from Chkalovsky, land on refueling in Adler.
      1. Avior
        Avior 24 March 2020 23: 21 New
        0
        in fact, no one says which route they flew and who gave permission, at least the Turks should have.
  35. Victor March 47
    Victor March 47 24 March 2020 20: 52 New
    -1
    Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
    “No one can be trusted” - do you believe your wife?

    No one can be trusted. Even to myself. But, in fact, I just wanted to fart.
  36. Victor March 47
    Victor March 47 24 March 2020 20: 56 New
    -1
    Quote: A. Privalov

    According to the flight map, transport IL-76s flew along the route Chkalovsky (30 km from Moscow) - Adler (Sochi) - Praktik de Mare (Italian Air Force base 30 km from Rome). Russian aircraft had to make a serious detour, with refueling in Sochi


    In fact, I would not be very surprised if the Poles actually they wouldn’t be allowed to fly through their airspace. It could well be scared. They too well remember the events of 1968 in Czechoslovakia when, at 2 a.m. on August 21, the An-24 aircraft flying to the Ruzine airfield in Prague requested an emergency landing due to alleged damage on board. After permission and landing, the paratroopers from the aircraft captured the airport control tower and secured the landing of the advanced units of the 7th Airborne Division. What happened next, everyone knows well.

    And what, hypothetically, we could go to capture the air gate? And what? What are you sculpting at your homeland?
  37. Olezhek
    Olezhek 24 March 2020 21: 19 New
    -1
    Coronavirus, "Dalla Russia con amore": caricati sul cargo gli aiuti per l'Italia inviati da Mosca






    https://video.corriere.it/cronaca/coronavirus-russia-invia-aiuti-all-italia/dbb5b160-6c27-11ea-8403-94d97cb6fb9f
  38. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 24 March 2020 21: 22 New
    +1
    TASS
    UN Secretary General calls on G20 to lift sanctions to fight against coronavirus

    UN Secretary General António Guterres called on G20 countries to lift sanctions against other countries against the coronavirus pandemic. This is stated in his letter to the G20 leaders distributed on Tuesday. laughing
  39. Olezhek
    Olezhek 24 March 2020 21: 25 New
    0


    Cina, Russia, Cuba ci stanno aiutando .... e l'Europa? Quell'Europa di cui facciamo parte?
  40. Finn
    Finn 24 March 2020 23: 30 New
    0
    Poles think logically. If you shit Russia, then you will get help from it.
    1. Sergey M. Karasev
      Sergey M. Karasev 25 March 2020 05: 39 New
      0
      I hope the Poles will be the last to receive help from Russia in Europe.
  41. Viktor123
    Viktor123 24 March 2020 23: 44 New
    -1
    There, in addition to the Poles, another 8 countries distinguished themselves with a ban. After all, all NATO members. This is European-NATO solidarity: let Italians die out, but they will not need any help.
  42. IL-64
    IL-64 24 March 2020 23: 45 New
    -1
    Pushkov was just "conscientiously mistaken"
  43. mmk
    mmk 25 March 2020 01: 52 New
    0
    it’s safer to fly over the neutral one, and in Poland most likely the state radars are poked there, but these are just my guesses, and the government has always chatted lately and will chat, since this is beneficial to it.
  44. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 25 March 2020 03: 56 New
    +1
    - "In Poland, the allegations that Moscow had not addressed the official Warsaw with a similar request have responded to allegations of non-admission of Russian planes to the airspace of the country" - very similar to the desire to maintain a "democratic" face in a swine policy. !!! I don’t remember the case that Pushkov would tell a lie ..
  45. AleBors
    AleBors 25 March 2020 08: 30 New
    +1
    Was there a request for a flight? Already not the point is important. But the fact that psheks beautifully spat in the reputation is a pleasing fact. Now let them make excuses.
  46. Sonvos
    Sonvos 25 March 2020 08: 49 New
    0
    Hmm ...
  47. sanik2020
    sanik2020 25 March 2020 11: 22 New
    +1
    I asked, I didn’t ask, remember the year 1938, the acupation of Czechoslovakia by Hitler, then it was Poland that pulled her back with a snout, just not to let the Soviet troops go to help the Czechs and Slovaks, despite the fact that even France and England were not against Soviet help.
  48. Oleg Alekseevich
    Oleg Alekseevich 25 March 2020 17: 16 New
    0
    Quote: tolmachiev51
    - "In Poland, the allegations that Moscow had not addressed the official Warsaw with a similar request have responded to allegations of non-admission of Russian planes to the airspace of the country" - very similar to the desire to maintain a "democratic" face in a swine policy. !!! I don’t remember the case that Pushkov would tell a lie ..


    Interesting people I picked up in the topic. Having no idea what really happened, they say: he is lying or lying, or both are lying.

    And if the authors of posts lie?

    How can one take on faith the words of some official who received the order to disavow the words of SENATOR Pushkov, a long-term observer of Ino news TV program.

    And where is the refutation of officials who disgraced themselves in the eyes of NATO state. After all, it’s not a journalism showdown, but a state one. (The guns are tea SENATOR.)

    Most likely it was as Pushkov reported to the world so that Russia would not look offended by the refusal of Poland, but so that everyone could see and know the infamy of the Polish government, and the Poles at the same blogging level would open themselves from the “obvious” non-obvious blushing.

    We are Asians with dewy and greedy eyes, and politics is a delicate matter ...

    do not believe the Poles, as Russia does not believe them from Rurik to the present day.
  49. kig
    kig 26 March 2020 14: 44 New
    0
    At the moment, Alexey Pushkov's tweet about Poland and the flight of Russian planes to Italy is not detected.

    Well, what is there to comment on? And it would seem, show a copy of the flight request, and all questions are removed.
  50. radiootdel4
    radiootdel4 26 March 2020 14: 46 New
    0
    We must answer that from reliable sources we know that the Poles forbade us to fly. Secret sources, we can’t disclose. And the aggressive justification of the Poles just confirm the source. And this is outrageous.