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Defense Task Force in Italy to march in Bergamo

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Defense Task Force in Italy to march in Bergamo

The Russian detachment of military doctors and virologists, deployed by the Ministry of Defense to the territory of the Italian military air base "Pratica de Mare" near Rome, will continue to provide assistance in Bergamo. This was reported by the press service of the Russian military department.


The Russian detachment, together with the delivered equipment, is preparing to make a 600-km march to the city of Bergamo, where it will have to carry out measures to combat the coronavirus. This decision was made as a result of consultations held at the headquarters of the Italian army in Rome.

Based on the results of the consultations, it was determined that Russian military specialists with experience in combating epidemics caused by dangerous infectious agents around the world will begin to perform tasks in the Italian city of Bergamo. Currently, servicemen are coordinating routes for a 600-kilometer march and are preparing machinery and equipment for moving

- declared in the Ministry of Defense.

As previously reported in the military department, Russia sent one of the fifteen laboratories of the Russian Chemical Forces Army, eight medical teams, about 100 military virologists and epidemiologists, and special equipment for diagnosis and disinfection to Italy. Major Group of the RF Ministry of Defense in Italy is led by the Deputy Chief of the Radiation, Chemical and Biological Defense Forces of the RF Armed Forces Major General Sergey Kikot.
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  1. Honest Citizen
    Honest Citizen 24 March 2020 15: 02 New
    +44
    Good luck guys!
    Try to get back all alive.
    1. smart ass
      smart ass 24 March 2020 15: 20 New
      +10
      Beauties) good luck
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 24 March 2020 15: 21 New
      +39
      Quote: Honest Citizen
      Good luck guys!

      Certainly!

      The Italians sent Russian doctors to the hardest point epidemics in Italy-in Bergamo.

      There, many local doctors are already sick and have long ceased to cope ....

      So that they succeed and, most importantly, may God protect them!
      1. Mimohod
        Mimohod 24 March 2020 15: 35 New
        +19
        Let's hope that our military doctors turn out to be 100% professional
        Any deadly virus is essentially a bacteriological weapon, and this dangerous experience is necessary for the Russian Armed Forces.
      2. Blacksmith 55
        Blacksmith 55 24 March 2020 16: 09 New
        +3
        That all would return alive and healthy, that the Italians ALWAYS remember.
        As soon as the message has passed, Italy closes gas stations, first on autobahns, then others.
        1. Rostov Papa
          Rostov Papa 24 March 2020 18: 56 New
          +6
          that the Italians would ALWAYS remember.
          They will definitely remember, and will be rewarded with new sanctions fellow
          1. Dog
            Dog 25 March 2020 01: 11 New
            +3
            Quote: Rostov Dad
            They will definitely remember, and will be rewarded with new sanctions

            Thanks already as they can. While our planes with doctors and equipment flew to Italy, the Italian frigate, as part of NATO forces, passed the straits and entered the Black Sea.

            If you believe the interfax, the program of the "visit" is working out with NATO partners in the region, including actions chemical and biological forces.
          2. Shuttle
            Shuttle 25 March 2020 04: 33 New
            0
            Quote: Rostov Dad
            that the Italians would ALWAYS remember.
            They will definitely remember, and will be rewarded with new sanctions fellow

            The Italian workers will remember who came to their aid when there was already no one to go.
            What about the sanctions? Sanctions impose capitalists. And not even so much Italian as American. Because it is they who occupy Europe.
            1. Maki Avellevich
              Maki Avellevich 25 March 2020 07: 43 New
              +5
              Quote: Shuttle
              Italian workers will remember

              smiled.
            2. Arkon
              Arkon 25 March 2020 11: 33 New
              0
              Quote: Shuttle
              Italian workers will remember


              You are half a century late at least. Such a thing as “Italian workers” has long ceased to exist. There are ordinary consumers.
              1. Dmitry V.
                Dmitry V. 25 March 2020 12: 09 New
                0
                Quote: Arkon
                You are half a century late at least. Such a thing as “Italian workers” has long ceased to exist. There are ordinary consumers.


                I talked with ordinary workers in Italy - the same questions that we have, how to feed a family, how to make ends meet - ordinary normal people, love children and their loved ones.
                I have an Italian neighbor - he married a Russian, speaks fluent Russian.
                Many times they chatted with him "for life."
                He doesn’t dare in Russia - he believes that we are much freer and better than in Italy.
      3. rich
        rich 24 March 2020 18: 25 New
        +8
        Defense Task Force in Italy to march in Bergamo

        That's why I respect our general staff because it is for high professionalism and healthy subtle humor. This operation of Russian doctors is called "Truffaldino" wink
        central Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera
        "I medici militari russi, con esperienza nella lotta contro le epidemie, che sono arrivati ​​ad aiutare il popolo italiano, nell'ambito dell'operazione medica militare congiunta "Truffaldino" inizieranno a svolgere compiti a Bergamo. Attualmente, i soldati dei due paesi concordano percorsi di commettere 600 chilometri di marcia e si preparano per il movimento di attrezzature e attrezzature. Grazie russia
        1. marshes
          marshes 24 March 2020 18: 45 New
          0
          Quote: Rich
          That's why I respect our general staff because it is for high professionalism and healthy subtle humor. This operation of Russian doctors is called "Truffaldino"

          Yes, there is no joke here, people are dying with battalions. Although if they are talking about a film, it will be a star of Russia's reputation.
          1. rich
            rich 24 March 2020 18: 54 New
            +5
            Personally for me it’s such a normal name, all the more literally connected with Bergam. Italians have no claims to its name. On the contrary, the central Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera writes about this military medical operation - ... "Grazie Russia"
            1. marshes
              marshes 24 March 2020 19: 06 New
              +1
              Quote: Rich
              Personally for me it’s such a normal name, all the more literally connected with Bergam.

              I wanted to make the same joke about Trufaldino but not that topic, people die like flies.
              Quote: Rich
              Italians have no claims to its name.

              Modern Italians do not even know the names of operas and operets; the people have changed a lot.

              Quote: Rich
              On the contrary, the central Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera writes about this military medical operation - ... "Grazie Russia"

              But no one remembers Trufaldino ..
              Battalion-Almost Squad.
              1. Avior
                Avior 24 March 2020 23: 53 New
                0
                Nobody recalls most likely, because in the original version of the Italian play about the servant of two masters, he is not Truffaldino from Bergamo, but Truffaldino Battochio.
                I agree with you, the name is at least very controversial.
            2. orionvitt
              orionvitt 24 March 2020 21: 10 New
              +3
              Quote: Rich
              "Grazie Russia"

              And what, I represent a convoy of Russian military equipment (albeit medical), on the roads of Italy. The crisis is a crisis, but it was impossible to imagine such a week ago. And the fact that Italy fell into such a position, then who is the doctor? It turns out, Russia and China. Jokes are not jokes, irony is not irony, but a fact.
            3. Xnumx vis
              Xnumx vis 24 March 2020 21: 21 New
              +6
              And in two years they will begin to thank the USA for their help .... The memory of the girl (European) is short!
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 24 March 2020 15: 33 New
      +11
      Quote: Honest Citizen
      Good luck guys!
      Try to get back all alive.


      What are Russia, China, Cuba doing (trying to localize the epidemic) and what mattresses are doing ... geeks ... pah.
      1. ABM
        ABM 24 March 2020 16: 15 New
        +4
        some incoherent set of words that ended with an invitation to Italy ... unemployment - I understand it, it doesn’t! isolate the whole of Europe for the coming year, at least. Like the Cord https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSbSTj4uPa4
      2. orionvitt
        orionvitt 24 March 2020 21: 16 New
        +4
        "Do not go to Europe, otherwise you will bring infection"
        What exactly is wrong with these words? I hate to endure Kiseleva, but in this case, what is he wrong in? All of Europe fenced off fences, and this Madame sits in Italy, and something else clever there. But about American tanks, this is the topic.
    4. NEXUS
      NEXUS 24 March 2020 17: 00 New
      +10
      Quote: Honest Citizen
      Good luck guys!
      Try to get back all alive.


      So do not believe after that in the theory of conspiracies and the golden billion ...
      1. Avior
        Avior 25 March 2020 00: 02 New
        0
        Have you read the quote?
        Do you know how many “rebellious people” of the United States are sick from the virus, which supposedly must act selectively?
    5. venik
      venik 24 March 2020 22: 30 New
      +5
      Quote: Honest Citizen
      Good luck guys!
      Try to get back all alive.

      ======
      The guys’s work is: "If not us, then who? ".... So they worked in Chernobyl ......
      He is not a believer, but I want to say: Let's go to the HOLY cause! God help you!
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 25 March 2020 02: 20 New
        +5
        Quote: venik
        The guys’s work is: “If not us, then who?” .... So they worked in Chernobyl ......
        He is not a believer, but I want to say: Let's go to the HOLY cause! God help you!

    6. COJIDAT
      COJIDAT 26 March 2020 11: 58 New
      0
      Meanwhile, on the 23rd, the Italian regatta, along with the Canadian one, came to the shores of Crimea and probe our coastline of defense!
  2. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 24 March 2020 15: 04 New
    +1
    Wasn’t there any closer airbase ?! It seems that the interactions between the parties are not coordinated! Or time is not measured in stock ?!
    1. seti
      seti 24 March 2020 15: 06 New
      +1
      It’s written that the routes are now agree.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 24 March 2020 15: 14 New
        -1
        And I'm not talking about routes, but about interaction. It was impossible to land the necessary group initially closer to Bergamo?
        1. seti
          seti 24 March 2020 15: 15 New
          0
          There are probably reasons. Perhaps the usual Italian slackness :)
          1. private person
            private person 24 March 2020 15: 32 New
            +5
            Perhaps the usual Italian slackness

            It’s just as you say, Italy is a member of NATO, and no one has canceled secrecy.
        2. svp67
          svp67 24 March 2020 15: 38 New
          +6
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          It was impossible to land the necessary group initially closer to Bergamo?

          You can, everything is possible. But this is decided by the host. Apparently this airbase is least affected by infection and we need to look at the logistics ... There are many conditions.
        3. Avior
          Avior 25 March 2020 00: 04 New
          +2
          it seems where and how to use it specifically, they began to think only after arrival, and therefore flew to Rome.
    2. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 24 March 2020 17: 02 New
      +7
      Bergamo airport itself was closer, but I suspect that it is now full of airplanes and there is simply no place. Probably there are some considerations, the Russian Federation reacted so quickly that no one expected - therefore, a suitable air force base.
      Good luck to you
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 24 March 2020 21: 54 New
        +3
        Quote: Pete Mitchell
        Bergamo airport itself was closer, but I suspect that it is now full of airplanes and there is simply no place. Probably there are some considerations, the Russian Federation reacted so quickly that no one expected - therefore, a suitable air force base.
        Good luck to you

        I’m interested in the question of how long will those European helmsmen have a long memory, when mattresses after they overcome this virus will again be “recommended” to impose sanctions against the Russian Federation.
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 25 March 2020 02: 07 New
          +5
          Quote: NEXUS
          how long will those European helmsmen have a long memory when ....

          You probably remember the truth from the Anglo-Saxons: there are no friends in politics, there are only temporary partners. I would not hope for their memory, certainly not to take into account their reliability: people will remember steering as a weather vane ...
        2. vladimirvn
          vladimirvn 25 March 2020 12: 23 New
          0
          It will be the same as with the Bulgarians. We are innocent, we have Euro-solidarity. repeat
    3. Separ
      Separ 24 March 2020 17: 28 New
      +1
      Bergamo itself has a good airport
      1. Liam
        Liam 24 March 2020 17: 32 New
        +3
        A few dozen km is the huge airport of Malpenza and the other is Linate in Milan. 150 km is still 2-Venice and Torino
        1. bk316
          bk316 24 March 2020 22: 00 New
          +2
          A few dozen km is the huge airport of Malpenza and the other is Linate in Milan. 150 km is still 2-Venice and Torino

          In Turin, a joint air base with NATO (probably hiding something), when the F-16 was resting there, they got it flying overhead. laughing
          In Milan, one is closed a long time ago.
          In Venice, for silts, the strip is a little short; I don’t know anything about the second.
          1. Liam
            Liam 24 March 2020 22: 17 New
            +1
            Quote: bk316
            A few dozen km is the huge airport of Malpenza and the other is Linate in Milan. 150 km is still 2-Venice and Torino

            In Turin, a joint air base with NATO (probably hiding something), when the F-16 was resting there, they got it flying overhead. laughing
            In Milan, one is closed a long time ago.
            In Venice, for silts, the strip is a little short; I don’t know anything about the second.

            You are not good at aviation. In Caselle where the airport is located, there is a Typhoon plant and they fly often there. But not f-16.There’s to try to distinguish f-16 from typhoon)
            So you don’t know anything about one of the largest European hubs in Malpensa? Yeah...
            1. bk316
              bk316 25 March 2020 19: 22 New
              0
              where the airport is located there is a Typhoon plant and fly often there. and not f-16

              It is F-16 that flies. I might have mixed it up, but they have a different number of engines - you won’t be mistaken.
              And about the strips google, anyone can, nov saw them with their own eyes.
          2. Liam
            Liam 24 March 2020 22: 41 New
            +1
            Quote: bk316
            In Venice, for silts, the strip is short

            In Venice - Short

            Runways
            room Dimensions (m) Покрытие
            04R / 22L 3300 asphalt
            04L / 22R 2780 asphalt

            And in Pratica di Mare, once.

            Pratica di Mare

            Airport Type Military
            operator Aeronautica Militare
            Location Pomezia, Rome

            Runways
            direction length surface
            m foot
            13L / 31R 2480 8138 asphalt
            13/31
            (CLOSED) 2540 8335 asphalt

            Expert You are certainly notable. And airplanes and airports. Like numbers
          3. Separ
            Separ 28 March 2020 11: 24 New
            0
            In Turin, at the entrance to the airport stands the F-104 in an eternal parking lot.
      2. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 24 March 2020 20: 23 New
        +2
        Quote: Separ
        Bergamo itself has a good airport

        Very good, well equipped, but with a very limited number of parking lots. If you consider that the local inhabitants, aka 9H-registration do not fly - everything is clogged there, there is simply no place
  3. Marconi41
    Marconi41 24 March 2020 15: 05 New
    +4
    Directly to the epicenter! I feel sorry for my own. I hope our doctors and virologists do not disappoint.
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 24 March 2020 15: 40 New
      +13
      Quote: Marconi41
      Directly to the epicenter!

      There are strong professionals, they worked with Ebola in Africa, in Italy there are no specialists with such experience.
    2. svp67
      svp67 24 March 2020 15: 48 New
      +4
      Quote: Marconi41
      I feel sorry for my own.

      Its just "ending" ...
      Quote: Marconi41
      I hope our doctors and virologists do not disappoint.

      They know what they’re going to and why they came there. All they don’t do there now is our advanced squad. Which should show how to deal with the "massive attack" of such an "enemy"
  4. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 24 March 2020 15: 06 New
    +28
    We live in an amazing time. Russian troops save NATO, when other NATO members do not move at all, only pick their nose, and steal masks with an antiseptic.
    1. seti
      seti 24 March 2020 15: 10 New
      +7
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      We live in an amazing time. Russian troops save NATO, when other NATO members do not move at all, only pick their nose, and steal masks with an antiseptic.

      Not only do they not move, but they also try to put sticks into the wheels like Poland.
      1. cniza
        cniza 24 March 2020 15: 43 New
        +3
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        We live in an amazing time. Russian troops save NATO, when other NATO members do not move at all, only pick their nose, and steal masks with an antiseptic.


        Did Russia ever act differently? Let NATO pick it further ...
    2. Nasrat
      Nasrat 24 March 2020 15: 12 New
      +12
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      We live in an amazing time. Russian troops save NATO, when other NATO members do not move at all, only pick their nose, and steal masks with an antiseptic.

      First of all, Russian troops save their country, risking their health and lives in order to learn how to deal with such in a combat situation - is there anything surprising in this? Yes, and Italy does not mind ... China did not provide us with such an opportunity and actually did not give the virus strains ...
      About NATO - everyone knows about it, but they are silent - they joined NATO for political reasons, not a single member of NATO intends to seriously expose their countries to various kinds of dangers ... but it is politically beneficial!
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 24 March 2020 15: 16 New
        +3
        This is clear. But the media will also work to the fullest, saying "The Russians save Italy, while all the other European countries are kicking the bulldozer."

        Our reputation will go up at a reactive speed.
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 24 March 2020 15: 20 New
          +8
          Quote: Lord of the Sith


          Our reputation will go up at a reactive speed.

          You don’t have to rely on this very much - the brain was washed very much by the western man in the street, he would rather believe that Putin is sending green men to the EU .... but there are adequate people in the west .. let's see how things go in this direction ..
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 24 March 2020 15: 24 New
          +1
          Quote: Lord of the Sith
          Our reputation will go up at a reactive speed.

          Not really. Because there is China, which is doing orders of magnitude more.

          But the reputation of Italy’s allies will fall by rail.
          Especially against the background of the fact that Cuba decided to help doctors.
          1. svp67
            svp67 24 March 2020 15: 31 New
            +17
            Quote: Spade
            Especially against the background of the fact that Cuba decided to help doctors.

            Cuba has a VERY high level of medicine and the training of doctors. Viva Cuba! Viva Fidel!
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 24 March 2020 15: 35 New
              +9
              Quote: svp67
              Cuba has a VERY high level of medicine

              but the state is frankly poor. Very poor. But they still help.
              Venezuela, Suriname, Granada, Jamaica, Nicaragua.
              And now, Italy.

              Quote: svp67
              That's who they are after that

              Poles...
              They always replace brains with ambition.

              Everything looks very rotten there ...
              Poles and Czechs, "squeezing out" the humanitarian aid of China, Poles who do not let Russian planes in, Americans who export test systems from Italy in secrecy and fall into this ...
              1. svp67
                svp67 24 March 2020 15: 40 New
                +5
                Quote: Spade
                but the state is frankly poor.

                Unfortunately yes. But all the medicine of Central America and many African countries rests on Cuban doctors
          2. private person
            private person 24 March 2020 15: 39 New
            +2
            But the reputation of Italy’s allies will fall by rail.


            Yes, nothing will fall, this pandemic will decline, and everything will be as before. They will also accuse Russia of creating this coronovirus and everyone will support the accusations together.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 24 March 2020 15: 44 New
              0
              Quote: private person
              Yes, nothing will fall

              Already dropped, hard. Very much.
              After these photos, the attitude simply cannot remain the same:

              https://www.dvidshub.net/image/6145794/covid-19-testing-swabs-arrive-memphis
              1. private person
                private person 24 March 2020 16: 08 New
                +1
                Already dropped, hard. Very much.
                After these photos, the attitude simply cannot remain the same:

                And what did IL-76 bring the vaccine in these photos? So the medicine has not yet been invented, it is being unloaded, because the virologists need to ride something and live. The President of Italy turned to the United States for help and the United States, of course, will not so much help as they do a PR campaign and the whole World will know about it. And the opinion of ordinary citizens that we have that in Italy no one will take into account. You read the comment below demo (Van) man wrote everything correctly.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 24 March 2020 16: 12 New
                  +6
                  Quote: private person
                  And what in these photos of IL-76 brought the vaccine?

                  In this photo American military transport aircraft takes out test systems for coronavirus from the north of Italy. IN USA. They need it.

                  I posted a link under the photo
                  1. private person
                    private person 24 March 2020 16: 58 New
                    -5
                    takes out test systems for coronavirus from the north of Italy. IN USA. They need it.

                    So in Italy there is a shortage of ventilators, masks. And do you really think that it is taken out by test systems for coronavirus? And let me ask whose load it is? Or maybe it's just someone’s evil joke.
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 24 March 2020 21: 09 New
                      +1
                      Quote: private person
                      And do you really think that it is taken out by test systems for coronavirus?

                      Exactly.
                      And it’s not me who “thinks”. it is the Americans so signed their own photos.

                      Approximately 500,000 testing swabs and supplies were flown from Aviano Air Base, Italy, to the FedEx hub in Memphis, Tennessee, to be distributed to medical facilities across the US

                      "Approximately 500 test swabs and supplies were shipped from Aviano, Italy's FedEx base in Memphis, Tennessee, to distribute them to medical facilities throughout the United States."
                      In black and white.
                      1. Liam
                        Liam 24 March 2020 21: 16 New
                        0
                        Quote: Spade
                        In black and white.

                        Black on white on a shovel.
                        Translate the whole text to the venerable public.
                        The mission follows the first Air Mobility Command-directed mission on March 16-17, which also transported 500,000 testing swabs in support of a US Department of Health & Human Services-led, whole-of-government effort to combat the Coronavirus pandemic. The swabs are produced by the Italian company Copan Diagnostics, Inc., which continues to produce sufficient quantity to satisfy Italian and global requirements. As the US continues to buy these swabs, AMC's active, Reserve, and Air National Guard components are honored to help transport our Italian partner's generous support to help the American people
                      2. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 24 March 2020 21: 29 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Liam
                        Translate the whole text to the venerable public.

                        Translate excuses? What say "the Italians and so enough"? What "is actually not a test system, but a smear device that anyone can produce, but we decided to send BTA planes for them. To Italy, for eight and a half thousand kilometers ... And to the north of Italy, exposing danger pilots.

                        At first, the Americans could not keep this operation secret. Boasting seemed more important.
                        Then they could not really lie. Or they did not care if they believed them or not ...

                        But it's' too late.
                        Even if a spoon is “found”, the sediment will remain. And what ...
                      3. Liam
                        Liam 24 March 2020 21: 36 New
                        0
                        Something you wiggled. And it would seem. A simple translation of the link that they themselves brought
                      4. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 24 March 2020 22: 39 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Liam
                        Something you wagged

                        Rather, you have trouble reading.

                        I’ll highlight it for you personally, otherwise you’ll not notice



                        And the Americans wag
                        Trying to lie that these were "tampons and supplies" Which are much easier to produce at home than to transport them from the epidemic-ridden Italy.
                    2. Dog
                      Dog 25 March 2020 02: 06 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Spade
                      Translate excuses?

                      You greatly overestimate the ability of the European (and not only) layman in terms of resistance to propaganda. Today it’s excuses, and tomorrow it’s an “objective” story. They have not forgotten it yet, and they will forget it.
                      And as for our help ... You know, as they say: if you help a person once, he will definitely remember you - the next time he will need help again.
                    3. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 25 March 2020 08: 59 New
                      0
                      Quote: Dog
                      You greatly overestimate the ability of the European (and not only) layman in terms of resistance to propaganda.

                      Or maybe you overestimate this?
                      I remind you that the phrase "spoons were stolen" has already been shouted out. Italian press.
                      And this method is the main one in the information struggle with Russia.
                    4. Dog
                      Dog 25 March 2020 11: 17 New
                      0
                      Quote: Spade
                      Or maybe you overestimate this?

                      The Suez humiliation (which was important for the whole of Europe) was forgiven, Vietnam was forgiven, the Powell test tube was forgiven, the destabilization of the Mediterranean region was regularly forgiven (walking for Italians is critical) - the test plane will be forgiven even faster.
                      Your counterexamples?
                    5. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 25 March 2020 11: 34 New
                      0
                      Quote: Dog
                      The Suez humiliation (which was important for the whole of Europe) was forgiven, Vietnam was forgiven, the Powell tube was forgiven,

                      And the Italians here generally from which side?
                    6. Dog
                      Dog 25 March 2020 16: 24 New
                      0
                      Quote: Spade
                      And the Italians here generally from which side?

                      Italy is one of the first countries to support the ideas of pan-European politics. Europe’s position on these issues is well known, there is no doubt that it is consonant with Italian.
                      So I understand that you have no examples of your statement?
                    7. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 25 March 2020 18: 30 New
                      0
                      Quote: Dog
                      Italy is one of the first countries to support the ideas of pan-European politics.

                      8))))
                      And during the Suez crisis, and during Vietnam, and in the war with Iraq, Italy was nothing more than a fan.
                      So she obviously has nothing to be offended at.

                      But when the Americans in Iraq fired on an Italian convoy with a freed journalist ... Ten days later, Berlusconi announced the start date for the withdrawal of the Italian contingent from this country.
                      That is, resentment had obvious consequences. Almost immediately.
                    8. Dog
                      Dog 25 March 2020 22: 54 New
                      0
                      Quote: Spade
                      8))))

                      Too many emotions and too little logic.
                      The Suez crisis ended with the transition of Europe, as such, into even less equal partners of the states, if I may say so. The course of events had a negative impact on oil transportation to the Mediterranean countries in the first place. Is Italy a fan here? Obviously, the threat of oil supplies and the loss of part of pan-European sovereignty is much more serious than the fired convoy.
                      Vietnam. It is enough to read about the geography of protests against this war, so that you no longer speak nonsense.
                      Iraq. Some anti-war speeches on this issue in Italy are already able to tell the attentive observer that the Italians did not feel themselves ordinary fans here.
                      Quote: Spade
                      resentment had obvious consequences.

                      It was just used as an excuse for a particular act.
                      Italians didn’t stop making friends with the states less. Economic, Cultural and Military Relations Preserved in Full
                    9. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 25 March 2020 23: 10 New
                      0
                      Quote: Dog
                      Too many emotions and too little logic.

                      Right Too much pulling an owl on the globe.

                      Quote: Dog
                      Obviously, the threat of oil supplies and the loss of part of pan-European sovereignty is much more serious than the fired convoy.

                      Indeed, just fired, what nonsense.


                      Pictured is a Roman park named after Nikola Calipari, who died covering up an Italian journalist who had just been released from captivity from American bullets.
                    10. Dog
                      Dog 26 March 2020 00: 12 New
                      0
                      Quote: Spade
                      Too much pulling an owl on the globe.

                      Exactly. Examples of events for which Italians should have a grudge in the states are in front of you (one such small one is also given by you). The level of "friendship" between the states and Italy is also not a secret, and it is frankly high, no matter what.
                      So where did you see that something fell there "very, very badly"?
                    11. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 26 March 2020 00: 17 New
                      0
                      Quote: Dog
                      So where did you see that something fell there "very, very badly"?

                      Obviously not from where you pulled Italy's mortal grudge against the Vietnam War ...
                    12. Dog
                      Dog 26 March 2020 03: 16 New
                      0
                      Quote: Spade
                      Obviously not from where you pulled a mortal resentment

                      When you cannot substantiate your point of view, try to refute any of the opponent’s secondary statements in order to create the appearance of continuing the discussion. If even the secondary allegations of the opponent cannot be refuted, don’t put it down, come up with a statement (yes stupid) for the opponent yourself, and refute him yourself!
                      I did not call these problems in relations between the USA and Italy mortal insults. Moreover, my honor is just the opposite - that Italians to the Yankees forgive everything. So, this your thought - completely went into milk. There is also?
                      Well, I repeat the question - what and where did you fall there?
                    13. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 26 March 2020 09: 15 New
                      0
                      Quote: Dog
                      When you cannot substantiate your point of view, try to refute any of the opponent’s secondary statements,

                      Exactly
                      You could not refute the fact that the Italians clearly do not like how the allies are now dealing with them.

                      Therefore, they began to come up with imaginary deadly grievances for them, which they supposedly forgave. Pulling an owl on a globe. "Italy was one of the first countries to support the ideas of pan-European politics, because it simply could not help but be offended by the fact that the United States did not allow Great Britain and France that joined them to establish control over the channel

                      You failed to confirm the seriousness of these grievances.
                      How to confirm, I showed you the example of an attack on a convoy with a freed journalist and the immediate reaction of the Italian authorities.

                      Quote: Dog
                      When you can’t justify your point of view

                      ... start trying to translate everything into personalities. Fortunately, I try not to allow opponents such feints.
                    14. Dog
                      Dog 26 March 2020 13: 18 New
                      0
                      Quote: Spade
                      You could not refute the fact that the Italians clearly do not like how the allies are now dealing with them.

                      You are making up my thesis for me again. I repeat to you what you started to argue with:
                      Quote: Dog
                      They have not forgotten it yet, and they will forget it.


                      Quote: Spade
                      deadly grievances

                      Do not invent.

                      Quote: Spade
                      start trying to translate everything into personalities

                      Let's talk about politeness. You do not understand that inventing a stupid thesis for your opponent - do you insult him? Try to realize this.
                    15. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 26 March 2020 15: 23 New
                      0
                      Quote: Dog
                      Let's talk about politeness.

                      There is nothing on the topic in your post. Generally.
                      And I’m not interested in discussing myself with you as a loved one. What I already wrote about. in previous post
                    16. Dog
                      Dog 26 March 2020 15: 56 New
                      0
                      Quote: Spade
                      There is nothing on the topic in your post. Generally.

                      There is a statement that you decide to challenge.
                      There are your inventions which just do not concern business and which should be stopped to distribute.
                      Thus, there is everything for a reasoned answer. But it’s obvious that I won’t wait from you.
                      I say goodbye to this.
                    17. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 26 March 2020 15: 57 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Dog
                      There is a statement that you decide to challenge.
                      There are your inventions which just do not concern business and which should be stopped to distribute.
                      Thus, there is everything for a reasoned answer. But it’s obvious that I won’t wait from you.
                      I say goodbye to this.

                      And again.
                      By the way, only one desire to discuss the opponent.
  5. Liam
    Liam 25 March 2020 23: 02 New
    0
    Shovels in his role ..
    Quote: Spade
    But when the Americans in Iraq fired on an Italian convoy with a freed journalist


    Rome, 17:08 January 8 2020 / IA

    Italian defense minister: we stay in Iraq


    The Italian military contingent will remain in Iraq, Italian Defense Minister Lorenzo Guerini said on January 7 during a telephone conversation with the head of the Pentagon, the Italian newspaper Il Messaggero reported.

    Lorenzo Guerini assured his American counterpart Mark Esper that Italy was not going to withdraw its troops from Iraq. The number of Italian soldiers in this country is 926
    .
  6. Lopatov
    Lopatov 26 March 2020 00: 16 New
    0
    Quote: Liam
    Italian defense minister: we stay in Iraq

    8))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) ))))
    Congratulations to you Sharik ...... (s)
    8))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) )))
    Damn, where do you just come from ....
  7. Avior
    Avior 25 March 2020 00: 20 New
    +2
    I suspect that the one who paid is the manufacturer of Copan Diagnostics, Inc. and shipped them
    Through the Italian airbase Aviano.
    The world of capitalism is so established.
    and somewhere you saw the statement that the Americans intercepted them from the Italians, and the Italians themselves wanted to buy this party?
  8. Lopatov
    Lopatov 25 March 2020 09: 05 New
    0
    Quote: Avior
    and somewhere you saw the statement that the Americans intercepted them from the Italians, and the Italians themselves wanted to buy this party?

    laughing laughing laughing
    And does it really matter ????
    For some Mario Bombese, who, sitting in strict quarantine, worries about his sick father and mother-in-law. Bought, stolen, lay in the warehouses of the American military base for 40 years ... He does not care
    Mario Bombese sees photos in which the Americans taken out from the country is something used in the fight against coronavirus. And with a high probability these are test systems. And if it seems to you that he will like it and he will begin to justify them, like some on this site, then you do not know people at all.
  9. Avior
    Avior 25 March 2020 09: 12 New
    0
    I don’t know Mario, but there are acquaintances in Italy, just in the north
    On occasion, I ask who is accused of the situation
  10. Lopatov
    Lopatov 25 March 2020 09: 18 New
    +1
    I have a cousin translator from Italian. Dozens of trips to Italy and a lot of friends. Their situation infuriates. They believe that the "allies" abandoned them. As they threw earlier, during the economic crisis and during the overflow of migrants. And the only ones who help are the Chinese
  11. Avior
    Avior 25 March 2020 10: 28 New
    0
    Yeah, at first they themselves reacted frivolously to the threat, and then the allies were to blame
    In fact, they usually blame their government, always dissatisfied
  12. Lopatov
    Lopatov 25 March 2020 11: 35 New
    0
    Quote: Avior
    Yeah, at first they themselves reacted frivolously to the threat, and then the allies were to blame

    For an ordinary person, this is normal
  13. Liam
    Liam 25 March 2020 10: 20 New
    0
    Quote: Avior
    who is accused of the situation

    And who should be blamed? The whole world is blazing, as it were. Tests are needed to identify infected people. The numbers you identified are like everybody else. You read every day as reports from the fronts. Do you think there are problems with identifying patients in Italy? Already, why are there enough tests?
    Well, if there are complaints against someone, this is to China. First of all, for 3 months he hid the dust under the carpet and crushed the police with his doctors who shouted about a new virus in social networks, and the authorities denied that the virus spread throughout these 3 months the world and have what we have.
    And this deception in China is not the first time. All infections come from them and are constantly hushed up until it gets out of control.
  14. Liam
    Liam 25 March 2020 09: 57 New
    0
    Quote: Avior
    I suspect

    Copan italia spa
    Indirizzo: Via F. Perotti 10 - 25125 Brescia (BS)
    This is an Italian company located in Italy. They perform these tests and sell to everyone around the world, including Amers. Interceptions are only in the cramped world of a local party.
  • demo
    demo 24 March 2020 15: 24 New
    +17
    In 1945, we were already once in the stratosphere of universal adoration.
    Nazism defeated.
    And then with great speed we began to fall into inferno.
    So it will be here.
    To me, a man of advanced years, the essence of Western politicians is extremely clear. Yes, and citizens.
    We do our job and calmly return home.
    And let it be what happens.
    1. ohka_new
      ohka_new 24 March 2020 18: 22 New
      +3
      I also want to add Messina 1908.
  • Red
    Red 24 March 2020 15: 19 New
    +6
    It's just that this whole legend about human values ​​in Europe, equality and fraternity turned out to be fiction. Europe does not care about its neighbors. And Russia is a generous soul, it has always been and always will be.
  • Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 24 March 2020 15: 17 New
    +4
    Quote: Lord of the Sith
    We live in an amazing time. Russian troops save NATOwhen other NATO members do not move at all, they only pick their nose and steal masks with an antiseptic.

    On this occasion, it seems like the Germans spoke out in the sense that "" With this act, Russia drove the ax into the chest of NATO at the very grip. ""
  • Paranoid50
    Paranoid50 24 March 2020 15: 18 New
    +3
    Quote: Lord of the Sith
    We live in an amazing time.

    Not that word. Damn it, march-throw RKhBZ 600 km, and even on the territory of the country of NATO ...
    Yes, there are "three in one": a good deed, and training, and invaluable experience. And let the flawed runner who has fallen to Italy choke with his own bile, which regularly defecates here.
    1. Hagalaz
      Hagalaz 24 March 2020 15: 47 New
      +3
      Quote: Paranoid50
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      We live in an amazing time.

      Not that word. Damn it, march-throw RKhBZ 600 km, and even on the territory of the country of NATO ...
      Yes, there are "three in one": a good deed, and training, and invaluable experience.

      And this is the only plus of this situation. The truth is huge.
      But on gratitude to Italy we will still look. For example, when the time comes for them to vote on anti-Russian sanctions. I bet that in the best case they will vote against, but they will raise their hands and will perform like the rest. That's all lyubof.
  • reservist
    reservist 24 March 2020 15: 39 New
    +5
    Quote: Lord of the Sith
    We live in an amazing time. Russian troops save the country ...
    so not the first time ...

    topwar.ru/15760-podvig-russkih-moryakov-v-messine.html
    1. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 24 March 2020 18: 07 New
      +2
      In Pikul, "From Dead End" in my opinion this case is described. Or "Three ages of Okini-san." Our sailors, when they wounded the wounded, condemned: "Nothing, lord, nothing, lord." From the cruiser Askold, in my opinion, there were sailors.
      1. reservist
        reservist 24 March 2020 18: 22 New
        +4
        Valentin Savvich has a story called "Nothing, Signor, nothing, Signorita!"
        in 1908, there were sailors of the Baltic Fleet’s squadron from the battleships “Tsesarevich” and “Glory”, cruisers “Admiral Makarov” and “Bogatyr” in Messina



        by the way, Pikul was not told that ours had to shoot a certain number of local looters ...
        1. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 25 March 2020 11: 59 New
          +2
          I forgot it, thanks for reminding me. hi
          1. reservist
            reservist 25 March 2020 12: 23 New
            +1
            not at all ...
            about those events there is still a documentary
  • A.K.
    A.K. 24 March 2020 15: 41 New
    -1
    Yes, I feel that Italy alone will not manage to soon Ukraine will have to be sterilized. With their gouging, the authorities haven’t closed everything and they don’t have anything there to fight this virus. No one will save them there except for us. So I wait, I think, not for long.
  • Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 24 March 2020 15: 42 New
    -1
    Our people, as always, are hoping for a chance, and suddenly, relations will warm up and at least someone better to treat us. A lot of people and money were threatened with this back in Soviet times, and now in the same Hope our leaders forgive everyone their debts. No, at least to my pensioners debts write off
  • knn54
    knn54 24 March 2020 15: 13 New
    +3
    Why are Rosman and the Ear of the Matzah silent? It is unlikely that tortured conscience, for it simply does not exist, But there is cynicism and hypocrisy.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 24 March 2020 15: 27 New
      +3
      Quote: knn54
      Why are Rosman and Ear Matzah silent?

      They are still composing. Do not have time for Shoigu. He very quickly organized everything.
    2. sibiryk
      sibiryk 24 March 2020 15: 40 New
      0
      Quote: knn54
      why are Rosman and “Matzo's ear silent”? It is unlikely that conscience was tortured, for there simply is no such, But there is cynicism and hypocrisy.

      Do not be silent:
      https://topwar.ru/169349-gozman-predpolozhil-chto-na-samoletah-v-italiju-putin-chto-to-vyvozit-v-jetot-turbulentnyj-period.html
    3. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 24 March 2020 16: 00 New
      0
      Quote: knn54
      Why are Rosman and Ear Matzah silent?

      Gozman is not silent!
      https://topwar.ru/169349-gozman-predpolozhil-chto-na-samoletah-v-italiju-putin-chto-to-vyvozit-v-jetot-turbulentnyj-period.html

      But it would be better to be silent ...
  • Barmaleyka
    Barmaleyka 24 March 2020 15: 26 New
    0
    Russian military (albeit doctors) march across the country of NATO, a script for the film of the apocalypse
    1. 16329
      16329 24 March 2020 17: 45 New
      +2
      There are not only doctors, there are RKhBZ troops (military chemists)
  • svp67
    svp67 24 March 2020 15: 29 New
    +7
    Defense Task Force in Italy to march in Bergamo
    They are thrown into the very "heat" now. Good luck to you guys. Come back all alive.
  • Round Smesharik
    Round Smesharik 24 March 2020 15: 29 New
    -1
    Russian detachment of military doctors and virologists deployed by the Ministry of Defense to the territory of the Italian military air base

    Only the Russians are afraid of nothing and nobody .. Everyone else has shut up and is shaking in a panic .. Good luck to you guys, I’m sure you don’t disgrace the honor of the Motherland .. Help other nations, it’s in our blood even if we have to risk our own lives! hi
    1. Hagalaz
      Hagalaz 24 March 2020 15: 52 New
      +4
      It would be nice if other nations appreciated the help ...
  • Sergei 23
    Sergei 23 24 March 2020 15: 31 New
    +6
    Operation "polite people in white."
  • Sergei 23
    Sergei 23 24 March 2020 15: 38 New
    +2
    Not a bad demonstration of the Flag of the Russian Federation !!!
  • Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 24 March 2020 15: 48 New
    -1
    And at this time in Russia:
    "Another 14 patients with coronavirus were registered in a day in 57 Russian regions, the operational headquarters for combating COVID-19 said.

    Sobyanin said that there is no real picture of coronavirus in the regions"
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 24 March 2020 15: 54 New
      +2
      there will be more but on the general background this is normal
    2. svp67
      svp67 24 March 2020 16: 04 New
      +2
      Quote: Old Horseradish
      Sobyanin said that there is no real picture of coronavirus in the regions "

      Can I find out where and when this statement was made? And where does the mayor of Moscow to other regions, let him answer for his own, but why is he crawling into other regions?
      And I will say why. Now a stream of “newcomers” has poured out from Moscow, because there is a problem with work in Moscow due to quarantine and how much they will spread this infection around the country now, that’s the question. So that Sobyanin is now trying to remove part of the guilt. And I would establish medical control at the entrance to the provinces, at the entrance to the region, in order to immediately cut off suspicious quarantines.
      1. Liam
        Liam 24 March 2020 16: 20 New
        +2
        Quote: svp67
        Can I find out where and when this statement was made? And where does the mayor of Moscow

        NOVO-GAREVO, March 24. / TASS /. There is no real picture of the level of coronavirus infection in the regions of the Russian Federation, said Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin, first deputy chairman of the Government’s Coordination Council to combat the spread of the new coronavirus.


        "Not all regions understand [the situation with the level of spread of the virus]. Well, they [regional leaders] see that one is sick. The fact is that the testing volume is very low, there is no real picture," said the mayor of the capital.

        He cited Primorsky Krai as an example, noting that "if 6 thousand people came to Primorye who had been abroad in the zones of infection, then this is still a big problem, and sooner or later this problem will come out"
        .
        1. svp67
          svp67 24 March 2020 17: 03 New
          0
          Quote: Liam
          He cited the example of Primorsky Krai

          Well, yes ... from the mayor of Moscow, it’s of course, it’s better to see the problems of Primorsky Krai ... So, Primorye would help, tests, remedies they would send, which of the health workers ... I don’t like when someone climbs into someone else’s household. I repeat once again, he is trying to absolve himself of some of the guilt, for the forthcoming surge, due to the rollback of "labor migrants" from Moscow, in connection with strict quarantine. Honestly, I would understand him, if he had established control points at the exit from Moscow, so that they would weed out all suspicious ones, and so ... I do not understand him. Or tell me openly that we would have to deal with this problem or not go into other people's affairs.
          1. Liam
            Liam 24 March 2020 17: 19 New
            +1
            So he is in addition to the mayor of Moscow
            Quote: svp67
            Sergei Sobyanin, First Deputy Chairman of the Government Coordination Council to Combat the Spread of the New Coronavirus.

            By the way. Here is the transcript of this meeting.
            http://www.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/63053

            There are very interesting details of a report to Putin on the topic, for example, how many resuscitation beds there are real in Moscow. In particular, at Kommunarka, the country's main virus-fighting hospital:
            Let's go to Kommunarka, there are only 60 intensive care beds
            And about 10 places of them are already occupied even with the official 200/300 of the current sick.
            More interesting numbers from the transcript:
            Now are risk groups, if we thought, those who came from abroad, but they arrived million to Russia in the last 10 days
            1. svp67
              svp67 24 March 2020 17: 45 New
              0
              Quote: Liam
              Now there are risk groups, if we thought, those who came from abroad, but a million of them came to Russia in the last 10 days

              Actually, it was reported about 100 Russians abroad, from where is the figure in a million?
              1. Liam
                Liam 24 March 2020 17: 47 New
                +3
                Do you think that Sobyanin brazenly lies in the eyes of Putin at the meeting?)
                I'm afraid that the real picture of the situation differs a little from what has so far been cheerfully reported to the population
                1. bk316
                  bk316 24 March 2020 22: 10 New
                  0
                  [quote] Do you think that Sobyanin brazenly lies in the eyes of Putin at the meeting?)
                  It’s not with Sobyanik just with numbers it’s hard like you.
                  For 10 days you can’t import llamas in any way, just so many flights cannot be made.
                  1. Liam
                    Liam 24 March 2020 22: 23 New
                    +1
                    bk316 Do you think that Sobyanin brazenly lies in the eyes of Putin at the meeting?)
                    It’s not with Sobyanik just with numbers it’s hard like you.
                    Lyam cannot be imported by air in 10 days, just so many flights cannot be made

                    Well, of course. How did Sobyanin (and the Kremlin’s press service) know the real numbers? You easily counted it on your fingers ... and they have no idea what they are talking about. The President of the country and the head of the anti-virus headquarters.
                    Denial of reality is what stage?
          2. Dog
            Dog 25 March 2020 02: 31 New
            +1
            Quote: svp67
            tests, remedies they would send

            I read the other day about the purchase of more than a hundred million "Moscow" tests. The purchase was carried out without a tender from a company with a registered capital of 10 thousand rubles, with a meager turnover in previous years, and which, bothering, immediately before the winner of the tender, some suspicious persons bought.
            If this is what it seems to be, then the Moscow authorities would not refuse to buy tests for Primorye and milking all of Russia. "To whom is war, to whom is mother dear?"
      2. Old Horseradish
        Old Horseradish 24 March 2020 17: 31 New
        -1
        Quote: svp67
        Can I find out where and when this statement was made?

        "Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin at a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin said that there is no real picture of the spread of coronavirus in Russian regions, and said that he would ask the head of the presidential administration, Anton Vaino, to ensure control of the situation."

        https://ria.ru/20200324/1569074448.html
    3. svp67
      svp67 24 March 2020 16: 13 New
      0
      Quote: Old Horseradish
      Meanwhile

      You have promoted all comments. My question is, do you wish all our guys good luck? Do you wish them doom?
      1. Old Horseradish
        Old Horseradish 24 March 2020 17: 38 New
        -2
        With some comments, I agree, with some not. There are no fewer pluses than minuses.
        The only thing that causes concern is that the lives and health of our military doctors are endangered and that Italy is an active member of NATO, which, in general, occupies anti-Russian positions.
        1. svp67
          svp67 24 March 2020 17: 53 New
          +5
          Quote: Old Horseradish
          With some comments, I agree, with some not. There are no fewer pluses than minuses.

          I'm glad you decided to "change the shoes." Just don’t think that there are no traces left. God is your judge
          Quote: Old Horseradish
          The only thing that causes concern is that the lives and health of our military doctors are endangered and that Italy is an active member of NATO, which, in general, occupies anti-Russian positions.

          And there are not only doctors, there are soldiers and officers of the Russian Army Chemical Forces. Sorry, but they are all MILITARY, and the military has such a fate that the people water him, feed him, dress them at his own expense, but when the time has come he is obliged to go out and protect the people. They are now gaining invaluable experience that they are broadcasting to us, in the Center of Defense. On the basis of their actions, forces and means will already be planned here, if we go according to the Italian scenario, or better, to prevent it.
          It was not just that the best were sent there, realizing that they were being excluded from the ranks of those who would stand in the way of this virus here. After all, you need to understand that these people dropped out on a business trip plus two more weeks ...
          1. Old Horseradish
            Old Horseradish 24 March 2020 18: 18 New
            +1
            Quote: svp67
            And there are not only doctors, there are soldiers and officers of the Russian Army Chemical Forces. Sorry, but they are all MILITARY, and the military has such a fate that the people water him, feed him, dress them at his own expense, but when the time has come he is obliged to go out and protect the people. They are now gaining invaluable experience that they are broadcasting to us, in the Center of Defense. On the basis of their actions, forces and means will already be planned here, if we go according to the Italian scenario, or better, to prevent it.
            It was not just that the best were sent there, realizing that they were being excluded from the ranks of those who would stand in the way of this virus here. After all, you need to understand that these people dropped out on a business trip plus two more weeks ...

            Well, it’s hard to disagree with your statement. Only one question: why then did our military doctors go not to China? Why exactly Italy? Why not Spain? Why not another European country? Or did no one but Italy ask for help?
            1. svp67
              svp67 24 March 2020 18: 32 New
              +5
              Quote: Old Horseradish
              Why exactly Italy?

              The death toll in Italy has already surpassed that in China. Now compare the population and imagine the scale of the tragedy of China and Italy. They will crush this infection in Italy, and fly to Spain, if she asks
            2. bk316
              bk316 24 March 2020 22: 13 New
              +1
              Only one question: why then did our military doctors go not to China?

              Because China did not ask for help (and now it won’t ask.) For specialists, they sent masks. Didn’t get it?
              And Spain is next in line and possibly Germany. Although I think the Germans can resist.
            3. Dog
              Dog 25 March 2020 02: 37 New
              0
              Quote: Old Horseradish
              why then our military doctors did not go to China

              They didn’t let them into China. The delegation went (the zavkaf of virology, like, he told me about the 2nd honey, he was part of it) - they didn’t let her go anywhere or show anything, they didn’t give the strain, they didn’t share
          2. Avior
            Avior 25 March 2020 00: 23 New
            0
            Sorry, but they are all MILITARY, and the military has such a fate that the people water him, feed him, dress them at his own expense, but when the time has come he is obliged to go out and protect the people.

            a bit controversial
            people feed and water the military all the same, not so that they defend their enemies.
            And NATO is quite an official enemy.
    4. Harry.km
      Harry.km 24 March 2020 19: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: Old Horseradish
      "Another 14 patients with coronavirus were registered in a day in 57 Russian regions, the operational headquarters for combating COVID-19 said.


      Yesterday was 71 ... It would be nice if the trend continued ..
      1. bk316
        bk316 24 March 2020 22: 16 New
        +2
        It would be nice if the trend continued ..

        I’m directly interested in how little people understand in the situation.
        What is the trend? What can you say from these numbers?
        Hint: random sampling from random sampling varies by the same function as the original one.

        Need to clarify?
    5. sabakina
      sabakina 24 March 2020 19: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: Old Horseradish
      Sobyanin said that there is no real picture of coronavirus in the regions"
      Let him look after his region! Also me, the mayor of all Russia ...
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 24 March 2020 15: 51 New
    -5
    : Our stopudovo vaccine arrived.
    1. svp67
      svp67 24 March 2020 16: 05 New
      +6
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      Our stopudovo vaccine arrived.

      The vaccine is now there - what a dead poultice, it should be administered to a person in advance, for two months. Here now other methods will be applied
    2. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 24 March 2020 18: 10 New
      +5
      Not yet, vaccines. So far, only on the way to her.
      1. Gennady Fomkin
        Gennady Fomkin 24 March 2020 18: 20 New
        0
        Novosibirsk scientists have begun to create two vaccines against the deadly coronavirus - laughing
    3. Avior
      Avior 25 March 2020 00: 24 New
      -2
      which in nature does not exist yet
  • Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 24 March 2020 16: 04 New
    -3

    Trembling Europe, "polite green men" came to save you. Again. Normally.
    1. Mikhail Drabkin
      Mikhail Drabkin 25 March 2020 02: 33 New
      0
      Please note - there are women soldiers !!!
      Good luck and health in the performance of battle launchers !!
      1. svp67
        svp67 25 March 2020 11: 03 New
        +1
        Quote: Michael Drabkin
        Please note - there are women soldiers !!!

        Right now your delight is not clear. Yes, there are a lot of women in this group, doctors are in the same place, and the junior medical staff, as it is, is mainly staffed with women. Nurses, laboratory assistants, and there are many specialties that they perform better
  • Kushka
    Kushka 24 March 2020 16: 08 New
    +5
    Quote: Hagalaz
    Quote: Paranoid50
    Quote: Lord of the Sith
    We live in an amazing time.

    Not that word. Damn it, march-throw RKhBZ 600 km, and even on the territory of the country of NATO ...
    Yes, there are "three in one": a good deed, and training, and invaluable experience.

    And this is the only plus of this situation. The truth is huge.
    But on gratitude to Italy we will still look. For example, when the time comes for them to vote on anti-Russian sanctions. I bet that in the best case they will vote against, but they will raise their hands and will perform like the rest. That's all lyubof.

    If you HELP, then do not demand anything in return.
    And if you demand something in return, then you are SELLING already.
    And on the market, as you know, two fools @ ka - one believes that they took a lot from him,
    another that he gave almost for nothing.
  • Super
    Super 24 March 2020 16: 14 New
    -9
    This is a good training for our military. Sooner or later polite people will appear in Italy. Our Rome will be.
    1. Tavrik
      Tavrik 24 March 2020 18: 15 New
      +6
      For starters, I propose that the Pskov Region be put in order, and then it’s gotten into Italy.
  • marshes
    marshes 24 March 2020 16: 22 New
    +2
    And in Russia, as with this matter, in Kazakhstan appeared sick people who did not fly further than Moscow. By the way, there is one Russian.
    1. reservist
      reservist 24 March 2020 16: 30 New
      +3
      they write that 495 patients, of whom almost 300 in Moscow and the region ...
      1. marshes
        marshes 24 March 2020 16: 37 New
        +1
        Quote: reservist
        they write that 495 patients, of whom almost 300 in Moscow and the region ...

        I don’t believe it, we have closed two cities, every day 2-3 people are identified, whole houses are quarantined, if the closest quarantined houses went to the boutiques.
        now 68 patients.
        1. reservist
          reservist 24 March 2020 17: 06 New
          +3
          there were already 71 daily, in "commodity quantities" only in the last days they began to become ill ...
          I think in a couple of weeks the scale of the disaster will manifest itself ...
          while there are still enough people in the Moscow metro, although it has already become significantly freer ...

          68 to 18 million - this is one to 264 thousand
          495 to 140 million - one to 284 thousand
          the ratios are still similar ...
          1. marshes
            marshes 24 March 2020 17: 11 New
            +3
            Quote: reservist
            I think in a couple of weeks the scale of the disaster will appear ...

            Close cities.
            In Almaty, crime has fallen, the air has freshened up, there are few arriving cars, prices are being controlled.
            One joy to work in the garden. Private house.
            1. reservist
              reservist 24 March 2020 17: 16 New
              +4
              Quote: marshes
              Close cities.

              if suddenly I meet someone from the Kremlin, or at worst from the Moscow City Hall, I’ll tell them right away ... soldier
              It seems that Moscow did not dare to close it ...
              1. marshes
                marshes 24 March 2020 17: 28 New
                0
                Quote: reservist
                It seems that Moscow did not dare to close it ...

                Yes, of course, in front of a lot more.
                It is easier for Italians to teach cabbage soup.
                1. reservist
                  reservist 24 March 2020 18: 01 New
                  +1
                  I hope that this is the case when it is better to learn from the mistakes of others ...
                  why the Germans and Koreans have the same ratio of sick / dead so far ...
                  1. marshes
                    marshes 24 March 2020 18: 14 New
                    +1
                    Quote: reservist
                    I hope that this is the case when it is better to learn from the mistakes of others ... why the Germans and Koreans have the same ratio of sick / dead so far ...

                    I like the Chinese, even though they are concrete gouging through life, but there is an order and they carry it out.
                    There are relatives in Germany, a cousin’s wife is ill, and her sister is forced to isolate herself, although her husband is sick. It’s still not clear who is ill at all.
                    South Korea, a cousin of her husband’s wages since October, they say she’s not sick and everything is fine, she doesn’t want to leave otherwise she will not drive away, so Koreans should not be trusted.
                    1. reservist
                      reservist 24 March 2020 18: 58 New
                      +2
                      and what is wrong with the Koreans?
                      two months as they "caught" their first sick person, at the peak they infected 800 people a day, now somewhere around 100, in almost a month and a half 111 died with almost 9 thousand sick ...
                      1. marshes
                        marshes 24 March 2020 19: 20 New
                        0
                        Quote: reservist
                        and what is wrong with the Koreans?

                        So they rally that the border had to be closed in early February.
                        By the way, Kazakhstan closed the border with China in early February, students and citizens were taken out, quarantined, not one sick.
                        And here MARCH, our citizens began to return from Europe, Russia and Belarus, and the virus appeared.
                        But we relish that the first virus was brought on a private plane, the court president of the city of Nursultan from Germany, so I think that maybe this is why the whole Kazakhstan was transferred to the paramilitary emergency mode.
                      2. reservist
                        reservist 24 March 2020 19: 52 New
                        0
                        Quote: marshes
                        So they rally that the border had to be closed in early February.

                        probably it is from "envy" to the northern neighbors ...

                        Quote: marshes
                        But we relish that the first virus was brought in on a private plane, the President of the court of Nursultan from Germany

                        well, yes, it seems that starting at some point of climbing the social ladder, some people start to “take down the roof” ... that Governor Evdokimov decided that the laws of physics weren’t written for him and that you don’t have to fasten at a speed of 150,
                        that the main infectious disease specialist Stavropol Sannikova, who had broken into Spain and decided upon her return that quarantine was not invented for her ...
                      3. marshes
                        marshes 24 March 2020 20: 07 New
                        +1
                        [quote = reservist] probably this is from "envy" to the northern neighbors ... [/ quote]
                        Yes, FIG knows, I’m going to get my word on my son-in-law. Although South Korea survived two dictatorships.
                        [quote = reservist] Evdokimov, who decided that the laws of physics were not written for him, and that at a speed of 150, you can’t even buckle up, [/ quote]
                        He is sorry for the good man, although there are questions ...
                        [quote = reservist] that the chief infectious disease specialist Stavropol Sannikova, rushed to Spain and upon her return decided that quarantine was not invented for her ...
                        We have the same main Sanvrach of Almaty, flew to Germany, now in Quarantine.
                2. Paranoid50
                  Paranoid50 24 March 2020 20: 02 New
                  +1
                  Quote: marshes
                  the Chinese like it, even though they’re the concrete gouging in life,

                  Now in Naples it was a shame ... laughing As for the gouging, then it’s up to the Italians, as from China to Italy on foot. fellow
                  1. marshes
                    marshes 24 March 2020 20: 19 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Paranoid50
                    Right now in Naples it was a shame ... As for the gouging, then it’s up to the Italians, like from China to Italy on foot.

                    I didn’t get in touch with the Italians, but the Chinese, I need a looker. It hurts too much to dispel them.
                    Taskmaster with a whip.
                    No wonder my ancestors took them to slaves. laughing
  • syndicalist
    syndicalist 24 March 2020 17: 12 New
    +1
    If we put these statistics at the beginning of the Italian schedule, then in a week or two all these doctors and equipment will be needed in Russia to no lesser extent. I wonder if the Italians will return all this?
    1. reservist
      reservist 24 March 2020 17: 25 New
      0
      if "optimistic" to take the German schedule as a basis, then in two to three weeks ...
      120 thousand lived in Bergamo, here the question for specialists is probably - how long does it take to localize the epidemic in such a city?
  • Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 24 March 2020 16: 33 New
    +2
    The Russian military at the NATO airbase, who would have thought ...
  • Awaz
    Awaz 24 March 2020 16: 41 New
    +3
    certainly looks like gouging on the part of Italians. It was possible to land initially in northern Italy.
    On the other hand, it will be an epic spectacle: the movement of Russian military equipment along the Italian highways. In vain they didn’t take an armored personnel carrier with chemical equipment)))))
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 24 March 2020 16: 41 New
    0
    laughinghttps://youtu.be/MOTBTSFgJSA
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 24 March 2020 17: 00 New
    +1
    Why are our medical aid planes for Italians making such a detour through the Black Sea, and do not go through Belarus, Poland and the Czech Republic. laughing
    1. Avior
      Avior 25 March 2020 00: 28 New
      -1
      Czech Republic has no border with Italy
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    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 24 March 2020 19: 16 New
      -4
      You confuse the warm with the soft, guided not even by external signs, but by foam on them.
  • Marconi41
    Marconi41 24 March 2020 18: 02 New
    +1
    Quote: Brabus GmbH
    At a time when their "middle class" needs help ...

    Do they need the help of chemists and virologists? No need to interfere with different things in one pile.
  • Tavrik
    Tavrik 24 March 2020 18: 12 New
    -6
    Quote: svp67
    Sorry, but they are all MILITARY, and the military has such a fate that the people water him, feed him, dress them at his own expense, but when the time has come he is obliged to go out and protect the people. They are now gaining invaluable experience, which they broadcast to us, to the Center of Defense

    What kind of people are our guys in Italy protecting? I don’t pay taxes to help the NATO countries when they have something to do. Let them receive invaluable experience in the territory of the country that feeds and watered them. What is stopping them? We have no one to treat?
    And the Italians are happy: the Russians are helping them for free. Now they’ll twist a finger at the temple on the subject of “these strange Russians,” then they will say: “Well, thanks, help ... goodbye!” and again they will vote as is customary in NATO.
    And God forbid (pah, pah) someone of ours will become infected and die? How can relatives explain why their husband, son, dad died? For the health of the inhabitants of the Italian province?
    In short, another attempt to appease the "fraternal family of the NATO peoples."
    1. bk316
      bk316 24 March 2020 22: 20 New
      +1
      I don’t pay taxes for that,

      Did you pay a lot?
  • Warrior MorePhoto
    Warrior MorePhoto 24 March 2020 18: 26 New
    +2
    Of course, we must pay tribute to S.K. Shoigu! Organizer! Not hollow. Well done.
    1. marshes
      marshes 24 March 2020 18: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: Fighter MoreThings
      Of course, we must pay tribute to S.K. Shoigu! Organizer! Not hollow. Well done.

      He is a former MCHSnik with a sense of humor.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 24 March 2020 19: 07 New
    0
    Quote: Olgovich
    Quote: Honest Citizen
    Good luck guys!

    Certainly!

    The Italians sent Russian doctors to the hardest point epidemics in Italy-in Bergamo.

    There, many local doctors are already sick and have long ceased to cope ....

    So that they succeed and, most importantly, may God protect them!

    The Prime Minister of the Netherlands, Mark Rutte, made a televised address to the nation on March 16 about the very serious situation with coronavirus. The performance was announced as historical.

    Rutte said the Netherlands would not follow the path of all countries and close the Netherlands. The Netherlands is a free country. The prime minister said that they will develop group immunity in the population. The more people get sick, the greater the chance that the virus will not cling to them more. A virus, like, after quarantine cancellation can come back and again everyone will get sick, and for the economy the consequences will be very serious. belay
    1. reservist
      reservist 24 March 2020 19: 19 New
      +2
      they weren’t the first ones like that ... the British seemed to sing these songs too, but the other day they had changed their minds ...
    2. bk316
      bk316 24 March 2020 22: 21 New
      -1
      The prime minister said that they will develop group immunity in the population.

      Well, if you do not mind a few hundred thousand citizens, then the right position ....
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 24 March 2020 19: 18 New
    +1
    The Scientific School of the Virology Scientific Center (VSC) of the Institute of Microbiology of the Ministry of Defense of Russia has rich experience in creating antidotes for fatal diseases. For example, it was military virologists who conducted a series of studies on the isolation of the causative agent of SARS from patient samples, and the causative agent of this disease was isolated and characterized for the first time in Russia. Based on this, a diagnostic test system was developed to identify the SARS virus. Specialists of the Armed Forces also created a standard sample laboratory for identifying this dangerous virus infection, which all the major sanitary epidemiological stations of Russia were equipped with. Probably, we still don’t know everything. The work of the Virology Scientific Center of the Ministry of Defense of Russia is carried out under the heading "Top Secret." But open sources of information reported that in 1995 the then head of the VNC, Major General of the Medical Service Alexander Makhlai, for creating the world's only immunoglobulin for the prevention of Ebola, was awarded the title of Hero of the Russian Federation. In all industrialized countries of the world, only the military trusts the work with viruses of the first pathogenicity group, the mortality rate from which can reach 80–90 percent.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 24 March 2020 19: 31 New
    -1
    Quote: private person
    Perhaps the usual Italian slackness

    It’s just as you say, Italy is a member of NATO, and no one has canceled secrecy.

    Now they’ll study the topography, they will probably track the march by satellites. Italy is for us for the first time, the military passed Europe all over, only Suvorov fought in the Alps. Success to the military! soldier hi
  • Zabvo
    Zabvo 24 March 2020 19: 48 New
    0
    It is not clear just why it was sent there at all.
  • marshes
    marshes 24 March 2020 19: 48 New
    0
    In support of the Italians. At the moment.
    1. reservist
      reservist 24 March 2020 20: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: marshes
      At the moment.

      somewhere in Italy ... people are sitting in quarantined houses ...
      1. marshes
        marshes 24 March 2020 20: 22 New
        0
        Quote: reservist
        somewhere in Italy ... people are sitting in quarantined houses ...

        We have a lot of opera divas there for work, they sing the same from the balcony.
        We love opera, but not very much with ballet. laughing
  • German Titov
    German Titov 24 March 2020 20: 07 New
    +3
    Military doctors- Respect. Thanks to them, I am alive.
  • Mentat
    Mentat 24 March 2020 20: 12 New
    +1
    And when I wrote the day before yesterday that it was normal and humane to help people in mortal need, I got a lot of minuses.

    One eccentric even managed to write that let them die, they didn’t help us, our hut is on the edge.

    Today, when the "topic has begun": good luck guys, what a fine fellow, handsome men! And a bunch of pluses. Is it changing shoes in the air or is the nose strictly downwind? Where were these posts the day before yesterday?
    1. Dog
      Dog 24 March 2020 22: 42 New
      0
      Quote: Mentat

      And when I wrote the day before yesterday that it’s normal and humane to help people in mortal need, I was hit with minuses

      That bot worked out. Do not take to heart. It happens here.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 24 March 2020 22: 51 New
        -1
        Quote: Dog
        That bot worked

        A bot is, strictly speaking, an automaton. And then you are wrong.

        True, part of the local patrons (such as bungler) can also be attributed to bots - they are predictable, they are quite simple to manipulate. And if you accept this approximation, then you are not far from the truth.

        But that is not the point. Kamrad Mentat has been on the site for 5 years, he knows all these baubles very well, and his comment is an obvious fork to the side, thereby making it really hot. And you came and smashed all the raspberries request laughing
        1. Dog
          Dog 24 March 2020 23: 04 New
          -1
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          A bot is, strictly speaking, an automaton

          Think of it as an epithet / metaphor
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 25 March 2020 02: 49 New
    0
    Quote: Avior
    which in nature does not exist yet


    Avior-stopudovo knows where they are doing. laughing The complexes laid down by the Beatles and Rolling at our old people are alive, infections. laughingthis is purely your personal point of view that does not have any facts to confirm.
    1. Avior
      Avior 25 March 2020 04: 02 New
      +2
      make and done - two big differences
      if they did, it would have been known for a long time, no one would have hidden
    2. Dog
      Dog 25 March 2020 11: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      Avior - stopudovo knows

      Not only can there be a head, it can also be thought of.
      Any vaccine needs to be tested. To reliably know how it acts on the body after, say, 3 months, you have to stupidly observe the “experimental” for 3 months. At the same time, animals will first be experimental and only then will humans. So you can multiply this period by 2.
      A vaccine that is unclear how it will manifest itself after a while is a potential biological weapon against its own people.
      Everything is quite simple and obvious.