Moscow Aviation Institute has become a reference university for the Russian aircraft industry


National Research University "Moscow aviation Institute ”will receive the status of a reference university in the field of aircraft manufacturing. Its specialists will actively engage in research and development for the domestic aircraft industry.


Such a decision was made at an interdepartmental meeting devoted to measures of scientific and personnel support for the Russian aircraft industry in the interests of the country's security and strengthening its defense capability. About this news agency RIA News reported in the press service of the apparatus of the Security Council of the Russian Federation.

The meeting was led by Deputy Secretary of the Security Council Sergei Vakhrukov. The event was also attended by Minister of Science and Higher Education Valery Falkov, Deputy Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Mikhail Popov, representatives of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation, Rostec State Corporation, Moscow Aviation Institute, Russian Helicopters, UAC and UEC.

The status of a reference university is usually assigned to leading universities involved in the training of highly qualified personnel and developing programs for their education and preparation for work in the relevant industries.
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  1. Honest Citizen 24 March 2020 14: 56 New
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    Name it whatever you like.
    You only employ ALL graduates in the specialty and pay them not 17 rubles but 000 - and the result will be almost immediately.
    1. Zhelezyakin 24 March 2020 15: 44 New
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      You only employ ALL graduates in the specialty


      With employment problems never happened. From my own experience I can tell whoever wanted to - always got a job. However, for statistics from all of my 2006 graduation group, I am the only one working in my specialty, the rest went to more “tasty” places.

      pay them not 17 rubles but 000 - and the result will be almost immediately.


      No, it won’t ... The young specialist still needs to gain experience, and this is about 5-10 years, anyone like that. No company has the ability to pay a high salary to a young student, higher than an experienced specialist on the spot. First you need to increase the salary to them, and only then takes care of the next generation, otherwise they will run into the markets to sell cucumbers and there will be no one to pass on the experience to.
      1. Comrade Michael 24 March 2020 15: 59 New
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        I graduated from 1994 passed fire water and copper pipes. And by profession he worked and not. Now the personnel officer (and this dog has already eaten). I agree. I always say out of poverty and saving on sn nothing will happen. The marketer and accountant will save money and tear out profits and prevent the company from drowning for the next six months - a year, and only a real engineer and scientist, who is a state and boldly minded person, looks far beyond the horizon of events .... He makes a new reality. Brains cost money! But young people will not work 5-10 years in anticipation of the manna of heaven and the favor of their superiors, if they have a sense of pride and dignity. So all the best from our release, about 10 people found themselves easily in other directions, where they did not offer to wait 10 years, but immediately appreciated the brains. And internal motivation is very important. For 4 years at the enterprise (at which they almost didn’t pay and paid a penny), the state importance of affairs and the complexity of the tasks to be solved (no one except me from the series), as well as freedom of action, kept me up.
        1. primaala 24 March 2020 16: 27 New
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          and only a true engineer and scientist, and a state-minded and bold-minded person, looks far beyond the horizon of events ....
          =====================
          HANDS are also worth a lot ... like the head of an engineer. DO NOT FORGET - BEFORE CREATING, HANDS work !!! Conclusion: we must pay equivalently FOR LABOR.
          There is a formula: Goods + money + goods. And that means: PRODUCTION and the MARKET.
          ALL should work efficiently !!!
          Regardless of the "position".
          1. user 24 March 2020 18: 22 New
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            There is a formula: Goods + money + goods. And that means: PRODUCTION and the MARKET.

            Windows creator Bill Gates said:

            Whoever invented the product, the dollar, who made it for 10 dollars, who sold it to 100 dollars. In fact, the whole economy works on this principle.
            Maybe someone likes it or not.
            1. cat Rusich 24 March 2020 22: 14 New
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              The military-industrial complex doesn't work like that. The United States spent about $ 2 billion on the Manhattan Project, dropped 2 items on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, were ready to use up the 3rd item, then made thousands of items (bombs, warheads ...) and their carriers, but didn’t use them - to the warehouse worked where profit? - where is the legal market for "atomic products" ... In the 90s, Russian industry was rebuilt on a "market footing" - designers and engineers went to the market to trade, hard workers - who is where ... now we are selling "Chinese goods".
            2. Aviationism 28 March 2020 08: 38 New
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              @user
              Bill Gates sees everything through the voice of business. The seller simply transfers the product from the manufacturer’s hands to the user's hands. He may be a complete ignoramus, but he will be a millionaire. This is unfair.

              Scientists, engineers and workers here in the west only get significant money when they need to catch up with urgent project plans.

              And without scientists, engineers and workers, businessmen have nothing to sell.

              I really hope that Russia will not come along this path.

              China is a better example than Microsoft and the USA.
          2. orionvitt 24 March 2020 21: 25 New
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            Quote: primaala
            DO NOT FORGET - BEFORE CREATING, HANDS work !!!

            Nothing like this. Before creating, the head acts, and hands only later. That's what engineers are needed for.
          3. Comrade Michael 24 March 2020 21: 39 New
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            Hands, I also worked on the machine. He worked at the highest level. This is clear.
      2. Avior 25 March 2020 00: 46 New
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        However, for statistics from all of my 2006 graduation group, I alone work in my specialty, the rest went to more “tasty” places.

        these are problems with employment
        there are not enough vacancies for finding a normal salary
        1. Zhelezyakin 25 March 2020 10: 01 New
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          I do not agree, there are a lot of vacancies. Look at NN.
          There was no (and did not appear) prestige of the profession. My failed colleagues did not want to wait for recognition and continue to study. After all, the profession of a design engineer is a constant growth over oneself, it is a constant professional development and training. So, it is much easier to become an IT-person, or get a job on a more "bread" met. So some of them became economists / lawyers (of which they are now homeless sabak), other sysadmins, someone turned into businessmen ... The same peers who spent no time in the institute for 6 years and remained faithful to their calling, now heads of departments and deputies main designers (there is one Ch. designer).
          1. Avior 25 March 2020 10: 04 New
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            If there are no vacancies with a suitable salary, this is also a problem of employment
            1. Zhelezyakin 25 March 2020 10: 05 New
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              Well, how not, if for example I found?))) Moreover, more than one ...
              1. Avior 25 March 2020 10: 10 New
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                Contribute, the question is the number of such vacancies.
                1. Zhelezyakin 25 March 2020 10: 14 New
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                  Apparently you did not bother to see ...
                  1. Avior 25 March 2020 10: 25 New
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                    See vacancies?
                    Everything is simple here, if the specialist did not go for it, which means that the salary for the vacancy is lower than what is required by the working conditions and level of specialist qualification.
                    No matter how it is expressed in specific figures, at least 20 thousand, at least 200.
                    Do you want to justify your choice?
                    I do not mind, but if everyone went, then career growth would be difficult to wait.
                    And work on the prospect is a very controversial thesis in a situation where no one really knows this prospect.
                    It's like a lottery. Lucky you are good. And it might not be lucky, the situation is changing rapidly.
                    And as for the fact that the engineer-designer according to yours is growing in qualifications, while others are not- So it is in any profession, someone is growing, someone is not.
                    And keep in mind that a “simple programmer” can get more than the head of the department.
                    hi
                    1. Zhelezyakin 25 March 2020 11: 00 New
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                      Let's clarify ...
                      We are talking about finding a student who has just graduated from a university.
                      I’m only talking about my experience, so ...
                      MAI 2003, I am a third year student of the faculty - Aircraft Engines. Starting from this moment, we (the whole stream, and this is for a minute 6 groups and not less than 150 students) are invited to work part-time at specialized enterprises. SALUTES and STC them. AM Cradles. The proposal includes not just work, but the adoption of experience and the implementation and defense of a diploma project in an enterprise. I make a choice in favor of the STC, as well as 5 more of my fellow students.
                      2006 STC named AM Lulki. Defense of a diploma project, 1st place at a diploma competition and a prize from KB ... Admitted to the staff, with assignment of a post, 3rd category structural engineer (like my colleagues in the course, it’s a pity they didn’t stay there for a long time).
                      So what kind of job opportunity are you talking about? Or did the university not give me such an opportunity? Yes, I was given an RFP for one such as that of the host, but I also had much less knowledge.
                      Another example..
                      My colleague is from Samara Aviation.
                      He also chose the opportunity to study additionally at the department. I went from my university to exchange studies in Germany for a year. At the moment, is on a long business trip, actually works in Switzerland and does not blow in the mustache ...
                      And where is the attempt to justify your choice? I am 100% satisfied with it. I have an interesting, sought-after job and a decent salary. There are growth prospects both in the position and as a specialist. What are you talking about? But I don’t understand others ...
                      Here explain to me why go to college and learn a profession that is not interesting and which you are not going to work, while losing 5-6 years of life? What would you get a crust? Or what would later say that I did everything, but the university did not employ me?
    2. 23424636 24 March 2020 16: 57 New
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      Only peripheral universities will work for the industry, and loot to master, of course Moscow. I asked one graduate of Moscow Gorny for 96 years of graduation, - how many people work or worked in the mine. - not a single one. So here Moscow can conquer .but the aircraft industry is unlikely.
    3. lucul 24 March 2020 17: 15 New
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      Name it whatever you like.
      You only employ ALL graduates in the specialty and pay them not 17 rubles but 000 - and the result will be almost immediately.

      What kind of nonsense?
      It’s like if my parents gave birth to me, and now they’re hiring me ....
      My friend, all by yourself. ..
      1. Honest Citizen 24 March 2020 17: 27 New
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        What kind of nonsense?
        It’s like if my parents gave birth to me, and now they’re hiring me ....
        My friend, all by yourself. ..

        In Soviet times, there was such a thing - the distribution of graduates. By enterprises. And it said that the industry was developing.
        Now, yes ... all by yourself, and then don’t be surprised when only “Free cash desk!” Remains from the vacancies.
        There will be jobs with normal pay - graduates will be employed themselves, by profession, will not be - "Free cash desk!"
        And re-read, ponder, in words: employment by profession.
        1. lucul 24 March 2020 17: 38 New
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          In Soviet times, there was such a thing - the distribution of graduates. By enterprises. And it said that the industry was developing.
          Now, yes ... all by yourself, and then don’t be surprised when only “Free cash desk!” Remains from the vacancies.

          Anyone who stutters about distribution would never have been given the opportunity to graduate, never.
          In fact, instead of gaining knowledge and developing as a person, a person receives an education in order to find a good job later (not on a shovel), that is, in essence, this is ballast - there’s no sense in him. He just took a place at the university with a potential Lomonosov, who really needs education.
          You understand - a person goes to a university to get knowledge in order to develop and apply this knowledge in life - like in the West - they pay for education, recognizing its value. And here, we need crusts, not knowledge, they follow after receiving education for free - they also want to sit on the neck of the state - employ me and keep them ....
          I’ve seen enough of such people - “I didn’t study for 5 years”, in order to do this and that. In fact, training is thrown to the wind ....
          1. Honest Citizen 24 March 2020 17: 45 New
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            Anyone who stutters about distribution would never have been given the opportunity to graduate, never.

            Again. There was a system. You worked 3 years according to the distribution, you can search for your wherever you want. But I have to work for three years in my specialty.
            You understand - a person goes to a university to get knowledge in order to develop and apply this knowledge in life - like in the West - they pay for education, recognizing its value. And with us - having received it for free - they also want to sit on the neck of the state - employ me and keep ....

            MISiS, Neftegazku - are we closing in Moscow? laughing
            I’ve seen enough of such people - “I didn’t study for 5 years”, in order to do this and that. In fact, training is thrown to the wind ....

            Well, I’ve seen enough of such a ballast.
            But you didn’t want to understand something else.
            There was an opportunity to find a job in the specialty received. Now this field has narrowed.
            Out of my graduation, two out of seventeen left to work in metallurgy.
            They, too, these 15 people studied in vain?
            1. lucul 24 March 2020 17: 56 New
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              There was an opportunity to find a job in the specialty received. Now this field has narrowed.

              All training programs are from the 70s yet. They are godlessly outdated, they all need to be changed. And nobody does that.
              Let me remind you of the basics of the breakthrough of Stalinist science and economics - at first, training programs were developed, followed by GOSTs, then educational institutions were established in which students studied, factories were built at which these students came to be leaders - and the return was. Nothing was left to chance. I don’t remember which of the great said the untrained crowd also resembles an army, like a pile of building material - a house.
              So in our country as a matter of fact - instead of the monumental and majestic structure of the state - there is still only a pile of building material over which to work hard and work hard.
              Here she is - a real goal in life, and not making shekels .....
              1. Honest Citizen 24 March 2020 18: 03 New
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                in parallel, factories were built, to which these students came as leaders - and the return WAS

                Voooot! Those. students were employed in the specialty received !!!!
          2. user 24 March 2020 18: 45 New
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            In fact, instead of gaining knowledge and developing as a person, a person receives an education in order to find a good job later (not on a shovel), that is, in essence, this is ballast - there’s no sense in him.


            This is your phrase not from a great mind, it just means that you personally, it doesn’t matter what you write in the answer, you never did it, and you dimly understand how industry works - at the level of large enterprises, economic regions and ministries naturally. Under all this, we need personnel, finances, resources, and, as they say today, social services and housing. Such investment projects, but the scale of the entire USSR. All the power of the USSR was in its planned development economy; Gosplan was not a gift in the Soviet Union. Until now, even in the PRC, such an authority has not been created, because it is more difficult than flying into space, there are a lot of unknowns that cannot be calculated, therefore this cannot be done in any capital (the Market solves everything, and the financial risks are trillions and responsibility is not like it is now in Russia). Of course, the Gosplan should be approached without fanaticism, well, for example, fashion and everything related to it should not be included there.
            But industry, the army, the navy (not necessarily military), medicine, education should be based on long-term planning and financing, by the way this allows all graduates of educational institutions to give practical training and initial work experience in their specialty. Which in the current conditions is completely absent.

            As for your

            You understand - a person goes to a university for knowledge in order to develop and apply this knowledge in life


            If something doesn’t suit you after graduation, then you made a mistake in your choice and mean you take someone else's place (this is me about the budget), because without practical work experience you are not particularly interested in anyone, well, if only dad and mom are somewhere do not attach.

            So I’m talking about the Soviet system.
            1. lucul 24 March 2020 19: 08 New
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              This is your phrase not from a big mind, it just means that you personally, it doesn’t matter what you write in the answer,

              ))))
              All the power of the USSR was in its planned development economy; Gosplan was not a gift in the Soviet Union.

              All the strength of the USSR was in a non-monetary economy (the notorious workdays), as soon as they began to enter money into payments, the debit with the credit ceased right there. And all because of the State Planning Commission - it is impossible to plan ahead what and how much to produce - there are too many unknowns. No, I do not want to say that the State Planning Commission is completely unnecessary - but in the form that he was in the USSR - definitely not.
  2. The leader of the Redskins 24 March 2020 14: 57 New
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    It is necessary that young specialists be given scope for thinking! Financing level! Freedom to search and research. Then there will be a breakthrough, which leaders like to talk about. And in a strange shadow and on a starvation diet, the new Tupolevs and Mikoyans will not grow ...
    1. Zhelezyakin 24 March 2020 15: 45 New
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      I agree! I just want to add that the level of education has sagged strongly among the new Tupolev and Mikoyans
    2. iouris 24 March 2020 15: 52 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      It is necessary that young specialists be given scope for thinking!

      This quality is destroyed. Completely. And clip thinking needs no room.
    3. lucul 24 March 2020 17: 24 New
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      It is necessary that young specialists be given scope for thinking! Financing level! Freedom to search and research. Then there will be a breakthrough, which leaders like to talk about.

      There must be a leader - a la Korolev or von Braun - they will entice young people along. They are in every generation - they just had to be found in a timely manner.
      The Anglo-Saxons are also engaged in our search for promising students - whom they can’t lure - eliminate.
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    1. Zhelezyakin 24 March 2020 15: 49 New
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      I could not even think that the word "support" was borrowed from a foreign language ... As in my opinion, it more accurately reflects the essence than what you proposed, by the way out of use in this interpretation.
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      This refers to the "third generation university."
    3. iouris 24 March 2020 15: 55 New
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      Quote: Strategic Stock
      What does support mean?

      It doesn’t mean anything yet. What will rely on this university - why not, because it was destroyed, destroyed and destroyed?
    4. user 24 March 2020 19: 08 New
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      What does support mean?


      This means a completely different level of funding + additional grants from the state for certain purposes.
      1. iouris 24 March 2020 21: 41 New
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        Practice shows that the “other” level of financing does not allow solving problems, and grants are profanity. They will learn and report money - there are specialists. The problem is that there is no customer who is willing to fund research. Such a university should work in the system of the Ministry of Aviation Industry and the minister should be personally responsible for the training of scientific and pedagogical workers and have an interest (so that he would not be shot hot if the industry fails orders from the Air Force). But there is no ministry, and those legal guys who manage industries in a single Ministry of Industry and Trade do not understand how this should work. And they are doing well. Just great. Great. Such problems cannot be solved only with money. In this country, there may still be a couple of people who are able to solve the problems of organizing branch science, but they will not be called upon. And, in general, now quarantine.
        And what about the "scientific companies"?
  4. Lopatov 24 March 2020 15: 12 New
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    will receive the status of a reference university in the field of aircraft manufacturing. Its specialists will actively engage in research and development for the domestic aircraft industry.

    Cool.
    And what is their nearest aviation plant?
    Why Moscow and not Irkutsk, Kazan or Novosibirsk with large airlines near?
    For example, in Irkutsk, you can get from the local polytechnic to Irkut in an hour by public transport.
    1. Zhelezyakin 24 March 2020 16: 27 New
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      Sukhoi, Mig, Lavochkina, Energy, Salute, TsIAM, STC named Cradles, etc. There, designers are trained, not master technologists, mainly.
      1. user 24 March 2020 19: 15 New
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        There, designers are trained, not master technologists, mainly.


        So in Novosibirsk NSTU also prepares for all core specialties, the Chkalov Plant Su-34 produces, SibNIA them. S. A. Chaplygin is not the last in the Russian Federation, for example, in alliance with NSTU, the replacement of the An-2, several devices fly and much more.
        1. Zhelezyakin 25 March 2020 09: 38 New
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          I think there is no need to explain the difference between releases and designs?
      2. Lopatov 24 March 2020 21: 13 New
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        Quote: Zhelezyakin
        There, designers are trained, not master technologists, mainly.

        Especially.
        Why does a university where "designers are being trained" become a reference for the "aircraft industry"?
        1. Zhelezyakin 25 March 2020 09: 46 New
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          Because the concept of aircraft construction includes not only the manufacture and assembly of the airframe itself, but also its design. And without the latter there will be nothing previously mentioned. At the same time, I do not underestimate the importance of specialists in the field (in production). Without a competent commissioner / technologist, there will not be the newest and most advanced aircraft, engine, SLBM, armament, aggregate, coffee maker, etc. BUT! These professions are taught throughout the country, even in not very specialized educational organizations. And at the Moscow Aviation Institute (as it has historically happened), they are trained in all aviation specialties, from glider and engine designers to armored vehicles and armaments. There are many branches, such as KAI and others, throughout Mother Russia. I think this was the main reason for choosing the Moscow Aviation Institute as a specialized university. In Moscow there is also Baumanka, superior in quality of training to Mai (IMHO), but there is no complete list of aviation specialties on its basis.
          1. Lopatov 25 March 2020 10: 03 New
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            Quote: Zhelezyakin
            Because the concept of aircraft construction includes not only the manufacture and assembly of the airframe itself

            Actually, we have problems with the personnel in the manufacturing sphere. Which even Roskosmos experiences.

            Quote: Zhelezyakin
            And at the Moscow Aviation Institute (as it has historically happened), they are trained in all aviation specialties

            Moreover, the training of "production workers" is ineffective due to the lack of normal aircraft production at hand.
            Maybe you should just fix it?
            And then a graduate of the Moscow Aviation Institute remains in Moscow a team of builders to steer (a real case), and in Komsomolsk-on-Amur they are trying to prepare an engineer from some graduate of the polytechnic with a degree in mechanical engineering. For the Muscovite will not go there ...
            1. Zhelezyakin 25 March 2020 10: 13 New
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              Actually, we have problems with the personnel in the manufacturing sphere. Which even Roskosmos experiences.

              So where does the Moscow Aviation Institute and the term support university, if we are talking about any public technical (not even necessarily higher) educational institution that technologists-programmers are supposed to graduate from?
              Maybe you should just fix it?

              But this is definitely the right question and suggestion. It is necessary to introduce distribution as it was in the Union. Somehow, a graduate of a university or other educational institution should be sent to specialized enterprises, for example, with a mandatory contract for 5 years. Many people are accustomed to believing that the university’s crust is a privilege and we forget that most of these crusts were received in budget places, read, paid by the state. And as I wrote earlier, graduates are in no hurry to repay this implicit debt, even in their regions ...
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                And as I wrote earlier, graduates are in no hurry to repay this implicit debt, even in their regions ...


                Can I transfer the debt to the bank into the category of "implicit"? laughing Such a good debt - it seems to be, but it seems not. Who needs a constructor? The owner of the factory or concern Lockheed, Boeing, Mig, Su, Il ... Let him buy. Ready (over the hill or at home) or buys a cake mix. Concludes a contract with a person, pays for tuition, then drags up the stairs from the designer without a category to the main one. He throws it through everything that is adjacent - a sturdy, aerodynamic, technologist, engine operator. And he will be a great designer for about 40 years.
                And how to draw up a contract so that you don’t run away (and didn’t want to run away) - they will tell him in the NHL hockey clubs. laughing Their "stars" do not rock the boat.
                And then the cunning bourgeoisie They know how to buy a yacht for themselves. As a specialist - so let the country be curious for the same bourgeois.
                No guys. Since money is "the main thing in life" - it is necessary to dance from this stove. Who needs the goods - let him pay, and walk around the market.
                1. Zhelezyakin 25 March 2020 14: 03 New
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                  The goods are ultimately needed by the state, and it pays for training ...
                  1. dauria 25 March 2020 14: 38 New
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                    The goods are ultimately needed by the state, and it pays for training ...

                    So what is the "state" so stupidly making a contract with a client? It seems that some lawyers are sitting at the top. And the client learned and left without paying. The trickiest word is the state ...
                    Your infection ... like engineers. Do not remember a simple thing. Took to design - see what they blinded to you. Everything, especially the adversaries. Or do Americans run specialists to us? No, they don’t run. Are there bad engineers, doctors, scientists? No, great.
                    He undertook to build a "prosperous bourgeoisie" - so understand how there, behind the cordon, he was blinded. Copy directly or refine if very smart. And then they stuck with us - here capitalism, here socialism, here communism. A cart with an engine from Tu-134, and the reins in the hands of a ballerina.
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                      Do not remember a simple thing. Took to design - see what they blinded to you.

                      Oooh)))) Yes, you are a connoisseur, without any sarcasm I say))) That's it!
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    at one time (in the USSR), the aviation steep was in Kuibyshev. MAI was not inferior ... there were a lot of projects and flying machines. students were building ... and now, wow! all to Moscow !! and graduates are paper planes from will they do a leaflet in practice? and then they will go by distribution? someone wants to believe in it ...
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      Quote: polar fox
      and now, wow! all to Moscow !!

      Money is going to Moscow. Nothing else matters.
    2. Zhelezyakin 24 March 2020 16: 34 New
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      Now Samara State Aviation University (more than KuAI named after SP Korolev). He is now preparing good specialists. No worse than MAI (although I may recognize Mayev with pleasure) for sure ...
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    He became, but what university was that?
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      There was some.
  7. primaala 24 March 2020 15: 49 New
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    Moscow Aviation Institute has become a reference university for the Russian aircraft industry
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    I have no doubt that today in Russia there are a lot of smart people (the younger generation). All you need is to bring back the “Russian school” (program) throughout the country, which the “consultants” ruined in the 90s. However ... (which did NOT surprise) the "chosen ones" study and teach "their" in the Russian program. And why !? hmm.
    And the second one. It is time to return professional training - turner, builder, and other professions.
    And pay with dignity for qualification. Then the youth will not go to the deputies, but will begin to think about the best and necessary profession (for the good of the country).
    For example. (so that they understand what I'm getting at). When URALMASH was closed, the Japanese bought up our machine tools and heavyweights to "get" rare metal. (grammar). It was !!!
    So ABLE to create !!! As for aviation, as I remember now (although it was too small) the girls were just squealing !!! Seeing the bearing !!! BELIEVED !!! OUR BEST !!! (and now I believe).
    1. Zhelezyakin 24 March 2020 16: 39 New
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      Vocational training turner? And what should he work on? I am afraid of such machines you will not find during the day with fire. Programming operator CNC. This is what this profession is now called. And they are trained, but they also have to be trained, and sometimes retrained at enterprises. What is one case worth ... The designer checks the program written under the CNC and wonders how the countersink operation can stand before the drilling operation? And the programmer is sure that it can be so ...
  8. Ros 56 24 March 2020 15: 50 New
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    Will I really live to see the bright future of our aviation, otherwise I’m already tired of waiting.
    1. iouris 24 March 2020 15: 58 New
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      You have to live a long time (very long), then you will live to see everything.
      1. Ros 56 24 March 2020 16: 03 New
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        And I'm not in a hurry. fellow lol
  9. Round Smesharik 24 March 2020 15: 50 New
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    The main thing is that it doesn’t work out that way, they have learned and dumped over a hill or Israel ... There must be strict selection!
    1. iouris 24 March 2020 16: 21 New
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      Quote: Round Smesharik
      The main thing is that it doesn’t work out that way, they have learned and dumped over a hill

      It has long been. Right now, the problem to learn. Where to get teachers? They do not make a finger. This process takes several decades. This is just the beginning.
    2. dauria 25 March 2020 12: 38 New
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      Strict selection should be!


      Tell lawyers from the MiG concern how to conclude contracts with people. Or the owners of the Sokol plant ... or Lockheed Martin. The bourgeois have no such problem. "Inventory-protocol-passed-received-fingerprints." laughing
      Che worried about Deripaska or Potanin? Their plants, their problems. Let designers write out of America. Or run around schools, take away talents, teach, feed, give work. And then the cunning ones are their factory, and the state university. Let's go nafig. Died, so died. In the United States, the state will learn to write and the multiplication table and that's enough. And then - either himself or the sponsor.
      Look - and a diploma will become a rarity and will be needed. Who will hunt money down the drain for a worthless piece of paper.
      But from the state - a strict system of control and licensing. Special and production. So that the shepherd did not work as a surgeon.
  10. prior 24 March 2020 16: 37 New
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    More precisely, it would be appropriate to assign the MAI status not of a supporting university, but of a retaining one .... for current graduates are not a pillar of the aviation industry, but frail props.
    1. Comrade Michael 24 March 2020 21: 43 New
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      Just do not. They can stay after us anyway. I know the chief designers who are so overbearing that they will not give anything alive in their shadow. They leave and leave failure ...
  11. Al_lexx 24 March 2020 19: 02 New
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    Interesting guys. Those. if it had not been called reliable and support, then without their wise decision something would have changed.))
    They were only two leading One in Kharkov, the second in Moscow. There were (and are) others related to aviation, but those two were leading. Kharkov understand where and how.

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    By the way, I studied just at the Moscow Aviation Institute.
  12. Comrade Michael 24 March 2020 21: 56 New
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    When I was studying, the Soviet system was dying. It was a powerful entity. It is useless to write off, it is impossible to bribe. An understanding of the matter was required. Flight dynamics, write off what you want, but in an oral conversation, quick questions in fact, quick answers ... From the series, the wind blew so, what is the angle of deviation of the control stick, what are the loads on the booster? Hesitation - and not surrendered. Less than 2-3 times, no one took the test. The exam was supposed to fly off the teeth. Aerodynamics are tough too. Stroymeh. Sopromat. Mat en. Life support systems, offset, gave up at least 4 times .... Even the frail three-year-old became an expert. After 2 semesters, we have a group of 26 people, 4 people left ... - the rest are on the way out. Then they replenished and in a year, 1-2 people left, even on a diploma. The defense was in design bureau - before the luminaries and associates of the great gene designer. Then they found me in a hostel, when I packed my things and offered 2 places - a blades department, and a promising development department .... We paid a residence permit, gave housing for free. By the way, the design bureau had its own construction company and everyone who worked for 10 years was given an apartment .... But we arrived at the end. That system was over. It was my best education and most interesting job.