MiG-35 vs F-21 and Rafale: India in the process of choosing an aircraft for the Air Force


India continues to choose new planes for its air force. Among the countries applying for the role of suppliers of aircraft, and Russia.


As we know, история with the Russian-Indian contract for the acquisition by India of Su-57 aircraft ended with the withdrawal of India from cooperation. New Delhi refused Russian aircraft, and Indian officers criticized the PAK FA. But that unpleasant story does not mean the cessation of military-technical cooperation between Russia and India, which has developed over decades and is at a very high level.

As it became known, back in 2019, Russia received from the Ministry of Defense of India a request for information on the upgraded MiG-35 fighters. It is this aircraft that should represent our country at a light fighter competition. If the parties manage to agree, Russia may receive an order from India for the construction of more than 100 aircraft.

The main advantages of the upgraded version of the MiG-35 are the G-Force protection system and the automatic landing system. Without them, a Russian plane would not have looked convincingly close to such contestants as the Dasault Rafale and Lockheed Martin F-21 aircraft.

Recall that the modernization of the MiG-35 was carried out in January - February 2020. The installation of the G-Force protection system and the automatic landing system was carried out in order to increase the attractiveness of the Russian jet aircraft for those buyers who have already familiarized themselves with Western aircraft that have these key characteristics.

The MiG-35 G-Force protection system helps to reduce the distraction of pilots tracking the G-force using the indicator on the dashboard. An even more important feature of the modernized aircraft is its automatic digital landing system.


According to the United Aircraft Corporation, this system is patented by engineers of the Russian MiG corporation. Its installation entails facilitating the landing of aircraft, including in difficult weather conditions, since the pilot can quickly use the glide path in automatic mode and continue to decline until the appearance of visibility. The new system will be equipped with Russian-made aircraft MiG-29M / M2 and MiG-35.

However, the MiG-35 will have quite serious competitors. First, the MiG-35 is opposed to the F-21 of the American company Lockheed Martin. As you know, Lockheed Martin has a very strong position in India and a very influential lobby in the leadership of this country. But even without these factors, it is worth noting that F-16 aircraft have an automatic landing system controlled by the on-board computer.

The computer uses the algorithms developed by Lockheed Martin to control the position of the aircraft, glide path, airspeed, and descent speed. Also, F-16 aircraft are equipped with a system that provides unhindered visibility to the pilot, and a side handle controller is used instead of the usual lever mounted in the center for easier and more precise control of the aircraft’s movement.

Another MiG-35 competitor in India is the French Dassault Rafale multirole fighter. It also has similar characteristics. So, the Rafale on-board computer is programmed to counter pilot disorientation. A device is installed on the aircraft, allowing the pilot to evaluate the position of the aircraft and giving an alarm when an unusual position is detected.

The pilot's seat is tilted back at an angle of 29 °, which allows to improve resistance to overload and maneuvering the aircraft. Finally, the Rafale pilot wears a special intelligent flight suit that is automatically controlled by the aircraft and responds to possible overloads.

By the way, in 2018, India already preferred the French Rafale aircraft over the Russian Su-30MKI. Then the command of the Indian Air Force attracted a higher flight range, the ability to prolong barrage and the possibility of more combat sorties of the French fighter.

It is worth noting that due to the difficult relationship with neighboring Pakistan, India is very scrupulous about the armament of its army and, above all, the air force. Thus, the Indian military believes that to counter each Pakistani F-16 aircraft, it would take 2 Su-30MKIs, and in the case of Rafale, only one aircraft would be needed. But then it was about the Su-30MKI, and today about the MiG-35, so Russia has quite good chances to conclude another contract with India.
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  1. rocket757 24 March 2020 11: 39 New
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    Does this require comment ??? maybe right away, a gypsy with an exit and ... the mood will immediately improve!
    1. The leader of the Redskins 24 March 2020 11: 47 New
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      There are not many exercises with a tambourine in the gypsy, and this element is required during the Hindu elections of suppliers!
      1. rocket757 24 March 2020 11: 56 New
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        So it’s not for them, it’s for themselves, for their own. It’s clear that there’s a lot of big money, things are deeds, because slippers apart, this has long been outlined.
    2. Alexey Sommer 24 March 2020 12: 07 New
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      What is the meaning of your comment?
      Why did you leave him?
      Can you explain it yourself?
      1. rocket757 24 March 2020 12: 13 New
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        For fun, how to seriously talk about what we simply can’t know ....
        Here, at least someone is present, who is ready and able to explain everything reasonably, with evidence? Show.
        1. Alexey Sommer 24 March 2020 12: 14 New
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          Quote: rocket757
          Here, at least someone is present, who is ready and able to explain everything reasonably, with evidence?

          But this does not mean that you can write everything that is horrible?
          But seriously from the amateur point of view, the time of modifications 29-35 has passed.
          We must finish rushing with him like a beggar with a cart and make a new plane.
          1. Petruha1 24 March 2020 12: 31 New
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            Quote: Alexey Sommer
            We must finish rushing with him like a beggar with a cart and make a new plane.

            And what is the MiG-35 inferior to the F-21 and Rafal? Do not forget, as an author, about the super maneuverability and other characteristics of the Mig-35!
            1. NEOZ 24 March 2020 13: 20 New
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              Quote: Petruha1
              And what is the MiG-35 inferior to the F-21 and Rafal?

              f16 (f21) has a serious advantage ... India was promised to open the US market for manufactured goods, as well as to take production from China ... i.e. India must replace China in world industrial production.
            2. EnGenius 24 March 2020 13: 36 New
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              The fact that he is not a promising aircraft. If the F-16 even now has the latest modifications and missiles, then after purchasing the MiG-35 it is not very clear who can seriously modify it and get rid of all childhood diseases, which the MiG-29 had a lot of. For Russia, the MiG-35 is also a stopgap for 100-200 aircraft for some time to maintain the level of the number of aircraft in the Aerospace Forces and as an opportunity to sell for some time for export.
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              2. Petruha1 24 March 2020 14: 41 New
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                Quote: engenius
                In that he is not a promising aircraft. If for F-16 even now have the latest modifications and rockets, then after the purchase of the MiG-35 it is not very clear who can seriously modify it and get rid of all childhood diseases, of which the MiG-29 had a lot.

                engenius (Engenius) when do not know or deliberately write a lie, I advise you to read the literature on the Mig-35, so as not to get into a mess. Ugly!
                1. EnGenius 24 March 2020 15: 32 New
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                  And what, are you willing to bet that the MiG-35 will surpass the latest modifications of the F-16 in the face of the same F-21? I can confidently tell you that it will yield in almost all indicators in terms of avionics (radar and missiles, navigation, communications, electronic warfare, overhead containers). I'm not saying that the MiG-35 is a complete slag. I say that he does not look promising. But this does not prevent him from being an excellent fighting vehicle with proper use, provided that it is used tactically. And the F-21 is probably also the last major upgrade for the F-16.

                  If you "push" in a "clean field", as many "experiments" like MiG-35 and F-21 like to compare, then the latter has more chances of success. If only because his AiM-120D missiles are much farther away, and the radars are more perfect, and when approaching, the maneuverability of both fighters is good.

                  For India, within the framework of the main focus of tension over the Himalayas, this is just such a “dumb” situation, because there are significant tactical features in mountainous conditions. Therefore, taking the MiG-35 with the R-27 and R-77 missiles even of the latest modifications, which are comparable to the Pakistani F-16 with the AIM-120C7 missiles and are inferior to the more long-range Chinese missiles, there is no particular reason. But they play defense and are not going to.

                  And the price here plays far from the most important role, but not the last.
              3. Kasym 24 March 2020 15: 40 New
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                Engenius, where did you get the idea that the 35th "car" is not promising? I believe the MiG-29 “outstripped its time” - there is still no equal in maneuverability, which is characterized by a 360-degree turn time (even the F-35 and F-22 are inferior to it in this regard). The stealth coating was tested for the first time in the world just on the MiG-29 (even under the Union) - it turned out that it did not last for a long time and “flies” very quickly at high speeds (no more than 10 flights in this mode; at lower speeds up to 20 flights )
                About childhood diseases of the MiG-35. MiG-29 had these diseases: a resource problem, weak avionics compared to modern classmates, and range. They are solved in the MiG-35.
                The MiG-35, compared to the Su family, is more economical - it consumes less fuel, maintenance is cheaper. In Kazakhstan, they put the MiG-29 against the Su-30SM in close combat training - guess who came out the winner ?!
                About the F-16. Have you seen the characteristics? Look at the traction weapon and what is it ?! Compare with the MiG-29 (not to mention the MiG-35). And type in a search engine: "John Farley about the MiG-29 (Su-27)." He is an English test pilot. I am surprised: the Indians believe that 1 Su-16SM is needed for 2 F-30 - they also beat F-16s, 18s and 15s even in MiG-21s in training battles. What can we say about the Su-30, which has an ATS.
                About Rafal. It's hard to talk about him. When you read the TTX, you ask yourself: where does this radius of action come from - cannot it be ?! They write for 1800 km (most likely without weapons, but with a maximum number of PTBs), and then 1389 km with 3 PTBs and 4 missiles (and something else). Speed ​​max. lower than the MiG-29: it’s understandable, Rafal has PGO. hi
                I think that the MiG-35 is a very necessary car, because he is the best in the role of a front-line (light) fighter, whose responsibilities include the support of ground forces.
                1. EnGenius 24 March 2020 15: 58 New
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                  So you look in the format of India. For Russia, this car is adequate, but not for them. And it is not promising because it began to develop 6th generation fighters and it makes no sense to spend resources on modifying the 4th generation aircraft. The MiG-35 and so financed ten years on the residual principle, because our fighter this fighter is not particularly interesting as a priority machine. So, no one will invest in its further modernization. And for export, it will be interesting only for third world countries. Therefore, the automatic landing system is an important advantage and it was implemented.

                  Therefore, you should not rely especially on the Indian contract.
                  1. Petruha1 24 March 2020 17: 03 New
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                    Quote: engenius (Engenius)
                    If you "push" in a "clean field", as many "experiments" like MiG-35 and F-21 like to compare, then the latter has more chances of success. Xotya because his AiM-120D missiles are much longer range, and the radars are more perfect, and with rapprochement, the maneuverability of both fighters is good.

                    Sofa strategist, learn the materiel! One untruth! Even the super-maneuverability of the F-16 has been attributed, which it does not possess at all because of the engines.
                    The MiG-35 is equipped with a long-range R-37M air-to-air missile. Its range reaches 300 km. “Americans” have the AIM-120D rocket, the range of which is much lower - 180 km. That is, the MiG-35 can launch this missile, having received external target designation, since its own radar will not make out the enemy at such a distance. At the same time, dodging it will be extremely difficult - with an overload capacity of 22 g, the rocket develops a speed of up to 6 M. The speed of the American rocket is much lower - 4 g. Radar station "Beetle - AME" not inferior Radar AN / APG-83. And F-16 engines without thrust vector control.
                    1. EnGenius 24 March 2020 17: 35 New
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                      I will not evaluate the level of your sofa.

                      Where does the MiG-35 over-maneuverability? From the fact that there are engines with UVT? And why did you decide that it is in the F-16, it is not over because of its engines? In the end, with a close battle on the cannons (if it comes to him), the pilot's skill will decide more. And the F-16 and Rafal maneuverability is excellent. Only the Su-57 and F-22 have conditional over-maneuverability, where it is built into the EMDS, and is not bolted to the side as an addition.

                      "Radar" Zhuk - AME "is not inferior to radar AN / APG-83." And what is it mass-produced in series and installed? And is it run-in in combat? What say so confidently? While the capabilities of this radar are covered in complete darkness, as well as its reliability and real characteristics. But in the American radar, which is based on proven developments, I have little doubt.
                  2. Kasym 24 March 2020 17: 03 New
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                    For the Russian Federation, is it adequate, but for the Indians for some reason, no? In fact, there is no full-fledged front-line fighter of the 5th generation yet, and you speak for the 6th (which takes about 15-20 years). Without the operation of the 5th generation, it is almost impossible to make a military TTZ for the 6th generation. There is a difference between a fighter gaining dominance in the air (Su-27, F-15, F-22 - heavy fighters) and a front-line fighter (F-16, MiG-29 - light). For example, initially the Su-27 could not use AB (aerial bomb) compared to the MiG-29. Look at Wikipedia for the armament of the F-15 (there is no AB).
                    I am not surprised that the Russian government, with a lack of funds, had to finance Su, not MiG — look at the area of ​​the country and the range of these aircraft. So this was a necessary measure. In fact, even during the Union, the "formula" was calculated that three heavy ones were needed for one heavy one. See, for example, how many F-15s and F-16s are produced.
                    The market for light fighters is much larger than the market for heavy fighters. For example, in Europe, heavy fighters were not produced or developed at all - the area of ​​the EU countries is small and they do not need them. At the moment, in the EU there are only 2 F-15 squadrons and there are no more "heavies", although they are American (based in England). In Latin America and Africa, strands are also almost absent. And you say that the MiG-35 has no potential? hi
                    1. EnGenius 24 March 2020 21: 29 New
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                      I believe there will be no significant visual differences in the glider between the 5th and 6th generation - the stealth concept will be preserved. Some powers said they want to go straight to the 6th generation and it should be fully automated (or unmanned). Accordingly, it is important to assume that such aircraft will be able to much more accomplish the tasks of super-maneuverability - and if classic manned aircraft are made for overload slightly exceeding safe overload for the pilot, then for unmanned aircraft this threshold can be raised. That is, the aircraft will be able to more efficiently evade missile attacks and have better maneuverability in close combat.

                      The 5th generation is officially F-22 and this is a fait accompli.
                      Free falling bombs can be put on any plane. The Su-27 was originally designed as an air defense interceptor, it certainly doesn’t need ABs) The F-15 could definitely use bombs, including the B-61 tactical nuclear bombs. The MiG-29 was created as a front-line fighter, so it had a wide range of weapons used, including adjustable bombs.

                      And what was heavy during the MiG-21 or MiG-23? I do not really understand the criteria why there should be one heavy on three lungs. Now there is no concept of "light" or "heavy", this division has long gone, as in the world of tanks, and came to the concept of a multi-functional attack fighter. And its "heaviness" is now determined by the tactical niche, range and missile and bomb load. Or do you think the United States just turned off the production of the F-22 and spent a lot of money on the F-35 program because it needed "light" fighters. Of course, the reasons are different. F-35 it was a step towards a single fighter and due to its mass they planned to save a lot of money and time - so far not very successfully. The F-16 is simply a very successful model that was suitable for many countries and the United States on its foreign bases in terms of the totality of tactical characteristics, and in the United States they themselves will for a long time form the basis of the national guard.

                      The range of any fighter can be significantly increased through the use of air tankers. So the theory of the need for "heavy" fighters also has questions. But the missile and bomb load can’t be increased much, only by reducing the weight of the airframe and increasing the power of the engines.

                      Therefore, for most of Russia, it was possible to manage both the Su-27/30/34/35 and the MiG-29/35 equally. Only in the European part of Russia the MiG-29/35 would be more suitable for us, then in Siberia and the Far East the Su-27/30/35 looked more interesting. Again, in my personal opinion, the MiG-35 appeared as an element of saving time and money and is a “gag”. Also, I have little faith in the fact that we ourselves will develop an analogue of the F-35.
                      1. Kasym 24 March 2020 23: 21 New
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                        If there are electronic warfare systems, then with this automation questions arise: can the control (programmed or remote) be controlled ?! UAVs are not yet able to solve the tasks of a manned aircraft, especially in air. enemy space ... To create the 6th generation you need TTZ from the military - how do they see it, what should be the characteristics ?! The rest is all our speculation.

                        The United States prioritized stealth technologies and universalization with the creation of the 5th generation - in my opinion, they were mistaken, because specialized will always be better than the "wagon". F-35 flies slower than representatives of the 2nd generation - it is like a fighter and interceptor. A couple of V-V rockets and a couple of FAB-500 analogs can be dragged into the internal compartments - just like a bomber. The attack aircraft from it is not very - the built-in AP has only one version, for the other two it is an outboard version. And the pilots criticize the installation of the AP - it’s hard to aim accurately.

                        F-22 is not front-line. He for gaining dominance in the air, went to replace the F-15. And what is the use, if there is air supremacy, but there is no help on the ground troops? By the way, this year the Pentagon buys 8 F-15X, although it removed from production F-22. This is about the separation of cords and lungs.

                        The MiG-21 carries 4 missiles, so it took a platform that could carry more ammunition and fly much further, and engage in close combat. Powerful avionics allows you to further see and have DB missiles.

                        Separation (1k3) is such that many tasks can be solved easily. In Syria, the MiG-29 could solve everything in terms of escort and patrol. And since the country's radar coverage is under full control of ground-based radars, they can also intercept. It would be much CHEAPER than using heavy Su, at least in terms of fuel consumption (1,5 times more than Su, and "eat tons). The radius of action is enough for a country like Syria. It uses AB. You can hang on a plane , anything, but you have to have an aiming system, and not engage in "nose-bombing" (as it was at one time with Su).

                        The F-16 is not standing next to the MiG-29 in terms of close combat ... How are you going to control the airspace and help the troops at the ground battle ground if you are not above it? After all, there can be enemy turntables. The concept of long-range combat does not fit here.

                        I served in an airfield at the Union and saw the MiG-21, MiG-23, MiG-29, L-39, Mi-8 and Mi-24 in action. MiG-29 is really super maneuverable. Turned around "on the patch". 360 degree turn time. less than 10 seconds .. F-35 in the region of 20 seconds ...
                      2. EnGenius 25 March 2020 00: 01 New
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                        So far, artificial intelligence is an attempt to adapt something similar to the human brain, and this is a very long story. So potentially the 6th generation is done with minimal tasks - to fly, discover and destroy. It’s possible to fantasize about real close maneuverable aerial combat, but very carefully.

                        F-22 could not become a single platform, as it was developed for the Air Force for quite specific tasks (gaining superiority in the air), and it was definitely not suitable for the ILC and the Navy. In addition, by the 2000s it was already decently "outdated" in electronics, so it was really pointless to continue its release for that kind of money. And to buy it for that kind of money in the world could only a couple of countries - Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Japan (actually who bought the F-15), well, a couple of countries is still a trifle. Therefore, the production line of F-22 was dismantled completely. But the F-15 is still in demand as a universal percussion machine. Especially with the F-35, not everything is so smooth in this regard. Therefore, the F-35 was invented as a substitute for the good F-16 because in fact this plane does not represent anything significantly better for third countries. And all the buns from its 5th generation can be used only by the USA.

                        As for the comparison of the MiG-29 and F-16, there is no comparable data from the West. There are individual reviews and opinions. And judging by the fact that they are not there, the MiG-29 was really good. I think they were really comparable, although the F-16 speakers believed that there was more, and the MiG-29, with a loss of speed, still lost its dynamics more. Plus, the MiG-29 did not have an EMF, and it helps a lot when maneuvering.

                        Hindus in general represent the capabilities of the MiG-35, because they have the MiG-29K. Therefore, they should not be blamed for bias.

                        In general, the MiG-35 in the world will have to compete with the same F-16, F-18 and similar systems. But even in the battle with the F-35, he is a very dangerous opponent for him. Therefore, the MiG-35 in Russia still brought to the start of mass production. True, given the crisis, the contract can be reduced.
                      3. 4thParasinok 25 March 2020 14: 27 New
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                        engenius (Engenius), do not fill the topic with flood, because not everyone gets money for visiting the forum ...
        2. Alexey Sommer 25 March 2020 07: 54 New
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          I don’t want to answer, because I’m catching a minus from hat-takers, but is it necessary?
          But truth is more expensive.)
          Well, a very expensive MIG 29/35 in operation, just a very two dvigla in this only worsen the alignment.
          Ida! Two dvigla is not for “saving the pilot”, this is because weak engines and one are simply not enough !. A light fighter should have one dvigun.
          On stealth machines there was an article (I could not find it now) about a light fighter for a special period, it was developed in the 80s. Mig killed the development. It was cheaper and better than MIG 29.
          Minus who have no conscience.
        3. Alexey Sommer 25 March 2020 09: 15 New
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          Loses the cost of operation. And this is not enough.
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          It is inferior because it is really absent, unlike more than 200 Rafal, and so everything is fine marquise!
      2. rocket757 24 March 2020 12: 50 New
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        Quote: Alexey Sommer
        But this does not mean that you can write everything that is horrible?

        Seriously, we will answer a few interesting questions.
        1. Who is India's alleged adversary?
        2. Does the alleged opponent have a much better technique?
        3. Is the proposed aircraft technology inferior to that of the other enemy? If so, how much?
        4. India can afford the technique better than that of the other enemy or what? At the same time, it’s not easy to afford, it includes a whole range of technical and organizational measures and VERY BIG COSTS!
        5. And someone offers a technique much better than that of the enemy.
        First, although it would be necessary to answer these questions, and then ... you can take on a tambourine.
        1. Pavel57 24 March 2020 13: 55 New
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          For reasoning, you need to know the selection criteria of the Indians, how individual parameters affect this choice.
          I can offer a list -
          - price
          - localization of production,
          - long-range air combat,
          ....
          -Availability of automatic landing,
      3. Aleksandr1971 24 March 2020 16: 59 New
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        The article raises the subject of India’s sales competition for aircraft in Russia or France. And not about modifications Dryers.

        If Russia wins, then good. Mentally congratulate "Sukhoi" with additional earnings.
      4. basmach 25 March 2020 09: 14 New
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        And where did you get the idea that time has passed. Those. F-16 time no, but 29 yes. In general, the article was written by a complete layman in aviation. Such a nonsense that I ended up in the 30s. “A device has been installed on the plane that allows the pilot to evaluate the position of the aircraft and gives an alarm when an unusual position is detected.” - and a checkpoint (flight control device) on the plane for what ???. Put God knows from what time. Now an analog indication on the frontal and on the display. Shows tonnage and roll. On all aircraft (and we have on the Su-17M4) stood together with the PNP in the center of the dashboard. Anti-overload suits have been used since the Korean War (amer). Critical Angle Warning - Also new? And as far as I remember (and was PNKshnik on the Su-17M4) - from the PNK description - it provides an approach approach in auto mode to a height of 30-40m. This is a development of the 70s.
        1. Alexey Sommer 25 March 2020 09: 16 New
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          Quote: basmach
          And where did you get the idea that time has passed.

          If only because it is expensive to operate.
          You do not agree?
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            Ghost Figures
    3. Krasnoyarsk 24 March 2020 14: 04 New
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      Quote: rocket757

      For fun, how to seriously talk about what we simply can’t know ....

      1. It is not necessary to represent the statesmen and military figures of India as not quite reasonable people, as is customary for many commentators.
      2. Only one conclusion can be drawn from the article - MIG-35 does not have significant advantages over Rafal and F-16.
      Moreover, the MIG-35 only recently appeared what Rafal and F-16 had a long time ago. Of course, according to the author of the article.
      1. Petruha1 24 March 2020 14: 45 New
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        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        2. Only one conclusion can be drawn from the article - MIG-35 does not have significant advantages over Rafal and F-16.

        Is over-maneuverability not an advantage? And to hit the targets of the RVV-DB with the ARGSN at a greater range than the F-21 and Rafal - is this not an advantage? Then everything is clear with you ...
        1. EnGenius 24 March 2020 16: 05 New
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          And what, the F-21 has no long-range missiles AIM-120D? And since when did RVV-DBs be put on the MiG-29/35? Teach the materiel.
          1. Petruha1 24 March 2020 16: 31 New
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            Quote: engenius
            And what, the F-21 has no long-range missiles AIM-120D? And since when did RVV-DBs be put on the MiG-29/35? Teach the materiel.

            engenius (Engenius), you need to learn the materiel and not write lies! Dunno, read carefully!
            The MiG-35 is equipped with a long-range R-37M air-to-air missile. Its range reaches 300 km. "Americans" have a rocket AIM-120D, the range of which is significantly lower - 180 km. That is, the MiG-35 can launch this missile, having received external target designation, since its own radar will not make out the enemy at such a distance. At the same time, it will be extremely difficult to dodge it - with a reloading ability of 22 g, the rocket develops a speed of up to 6 M. American rocket is much smaller - 4 g.
            1. EnGenius 24 March 2020 17: 13 New
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              And where have you read this material? Have you come up with? There are links to the manufacturer or the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation?

              R-37M was developed for the MiG-31 and for the Su-35 it can be used because the powerful radars of these fighters are capable of detecting a target at distances of 300-400 km. And why is it on the MiG-35, where even so far only the alleged Zhuk-A / MAE radar can approximately detect a target at a distance of 200 km?

              In addition, there is no information that RVV-BD and R-37M are generally mass-produced, as well as the number of missiles produced and their real capabilities. They were not exported either.
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              2. Petruha1 24 March 2020 18: 34 New
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                Quote: engenius
                R-37M was developed for MiG-31 and for the Su-35 it can be used because the powerful radars of these fighters are capable of detecting a target at distances of 300-400 km. And why is it on the MiG-35, where even so far only the alleged Zhuk-A / MAE radar can approximately detect a target at a distance of 200 km?

                Strategist, do not write baby talk! To get started, study the range of the Zashlon radar and the Zashlon-M radar and how R-37 missiles were used.
                R-37M can be used both with fighter interceptors MiG-31BMboth with fighter jets Su-27 и Su-35.
                https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0-37
                There are no open press data on the Zhuk-AME radar, as well as AN / APG-83. Even if a F-200 aircraft is detected at a distance of D = 35 km, F-21 will be hit earlier by R-37M rocket и will not have time to reach the line of application of its long-range RVV-DB AIM-120 with a range of D = 180 km.
                https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/245180/
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                In addition, there is no information that RVV-BD and R-37M are generally mass-produced, as well as the number of missiles produced and their real capabilities. They were not exported either.

                This is left to yourself and other Russophobes tales that can not oppose anything, then they try to somehow dodge!
                1. EnGenius 24 March 2020 20: 41 New
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                  So where is the MiG-35? It says about the Su-35. Nobody was going to hang such a huge missile on the MiG-35. And because of the limited capabilities of the radar for the MiG-35, it does not make sense to use it there at all and it is intended primarily for the MiG-31BM and is also adapted for the Su-57 and Su-35, since they can at least take a pair of such missiles and new ones radars allow them to detect targets at such a distance.

                  AN / APG-83 is developed on the basis of proven technologies that have actually developed for thirty years, and ZhUK-MAE has not even entered the series and has been constantly upgrading for the second ten years - because it seems that our Defense Ministry is not satisfied. Since, after all, the MiG-35 was allegedly put into production, that is, there is reason to believe that there are successes that suit our MO. Although, again, there are unconfirmed rumors that there is no radar with AFAR for the MiG-35 yet. With what type of radar the MO received it also secretly.

                  So do not fool around others. Worse than Russophobia can only be their own ignorance.
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                    Quote: engenius
                    So do not fool around others. Worse than Russophobia can only be their own ignorance.

                    engenius, worse than ignorance, only your ignorance. You deliberately write nonsense, dodging! You don’t know Russian and don’t know how to read Russian? Everything is indicated to you above ... When the R-37M was being developed, the Mig-35 was in the project - therefore, data on the use of the R-37M on the Mig-35 appeared later!

                    Quote: engenius
                    So where is the MiG-35? It says about the Su-35.
                    AN / APG-83 is developed based on proven technologies that have really developed thirty yearsand ZhUK-MAE has not even gone into production yet and has been constantly upgrading for the second ten years - because our MO is apparently not happy. Since, after all, the MiG-35 was allegedly put into production, that is, there is reason to believe that there are successes that suit our MO. Although, again, there are unconfirmed rumors that there is no radar with AFAR for the MiG-35 yet. With what type of radar the MO received it also secretly.

                    Strategist, when you write about the detection range, write the radar parameters correctly and Do not forget to indicate the EPR of the target. Otherwise, it's just chatter, like all your sayings about American radar! Learn the materiel! Strategist with an independent?
                  2. EnGenius 24 March 2020 23: 10 New
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                    Quote: Mishiko
                    R-37M on the MiG-35 appeared later!

                    Where?! Facts, references, statements, official specifications. I already asked your couch colleague Petruha1. He paused. Probably looking for more.

                    Oh, the expert remembered the trump words of radar and EPR. Requires exact digits without their digits. Apparently he was going to measure with a centimeter who has less EPR. All that there is information about radar - these are estimated characteristics or declared characteristics, real ones can be worse and better under certain conditions. Accurate numbers are top-secret data in both Russia and the USA. Even what is exported often has underestimated characteristics.

                    I believe that our MO requires from Zhuk-AE characteristics comparable just to AN / APG-83. And if the MiG-35 was adopted from this radar, then we can expect that this is so.
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                    Quote: engenius
                    I believe that our MO requires from Zhuk-AE characteristics comparable just to AN / APG-83. And if the MiG-35 was adopted from this radar, then we can expect that this is so.

                    Again, guess about something you don’t know. For people like you:
                    1. The detection range of the Su-57 H036 Squirrel radar for targets with
                    EPR = 1 m2 is equal to D = 400 km.
                    2. The detection range of the Su-35S N035 Irbis radar for targets with EPR = 3 m2 is equal to D = 400 km.
                    3. F-35 AN / APG-81 radar detection range for targets with
                    EPR = 3 m2 is equal to D = 300 km.
                    In free space based on open press materials. American radars are inferior in parameters to Russian radars!
                  4. EnGenius 25 March 2020 02: 41 New
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                    Well done, I went through Wikipedia, just not carefully.
                    This is not data, but unconfirmed rumors, especially as concerns the Squirrel N036 radar. There, the estimated range is the same 400 km for targets with an EPR of 3 square meters, but not 1 square meter (data from Wikipedia). And then this is only the maximum range. In addition, the H035 "Irbis" radar has a record power by the VFAR technology, which AFAR cannot yet achieve. Therefore, if AFAR N036 shines up to 400 km - this will be a breakthrough result. F-35 AN / APG-81 radar is one of the most advanced in the USA and in the world, but it is limited in terms of maximum power and energy capabilities of the fighter.

                    Accordingly, we talked about the MiG-35 and its possible radar and compared with the F-21 (16V) AN / APG-83 radar. And so far, even for the first iteration, ZhUK-MA claimed a maximum range of 150 km, which is two times lower than that of AN / APG-81/83. It is clear that our Moscow Region did not arrange such a radar - it did not arrange even the Indians in the 2008 tender. What are the real prospects for ZhUK-AE is still unknown. Therefore, the supposedly modernized radar detects a target with an EPR of 3 square meters at a distance of up to 250-280 km, and not 180 km. So the MiG-81 will still have some lag behind AN / APG-83/35. But in the mode of operation on ground targets, everyone promises well.

                    Again, why throw dust in the eyes. Prior to this, "stuffed" the RVV-DB in the MiG-35, now boasting the radar N035 and N036 which also have nothing to do with the MiG-35. And you declare that American radar systems are inferior to Russian ones. The United States is also developing its technology and releasing new radars with the best features. And while they are doing better than ours, especially in terms of serial AFARs.
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                    Quote: engenius
                    If for the F-16 even now there are the latest modifications and missiles, then after the purchase of the MiG-35 it is not very clear who can seriously modify it and get rid of all childhood diseases, of which the MiG-29 had a lot.

                    Quote: engenius
                    AN / APG-83 is developed on the basis of proven technologies that have actually developed for thirty years.and ZhUK-MAE has not even gone into production yet and has been constantly upgrading for the second ten years - because our MO is apparently not happy.

                    Quote: engenius (Engenius
                    And you declare that American radar systems are inferior to Russian ones. USA also develops its technology and launches nBest performance radars. And while they are doing better than ours, especially in terms of serial AFARs.

                    Strategist from Ukraine! Not tired of children’s gall babble to write? Hatred of Russian technology and splashes! If, except Wikipedia, you know nothing, then it is regrettable. If you can not distinguish the calculations above from Wikipedia, then obviously a complete ignoramus ...
                    Quote: engenius
                    Again, why throw dust in the eyes. Prior to this, "stuffed" the RVV-DB in the MiG-35, now you boast of the radar N035 and N036 which also have nothing to do with the MiG-35

                    "Literate", the calculation is given for comparing radar stations of Russia and the United States. Further for those like you repeat:
                    Quote: Petruha1
                    The MiG-35 is equipped with a long-range R-37M air-to-air missile. Its range reaches 300 km. “Americans” have the AIM-120D rocket, the range of which is much lower - 180 km. That is, the MiG-35 can launch this missile, having received external target designation, since its own radar will not make out the enemy at such a distance. At the same time, dodging it will be extremely difficult - with an overload capacity of 22 g, the rocket develops a speed of up to 6 M. The speed of the American rocket is much lower - 4 g.
                    https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/245180/

                    Quote: engenius
                    F-35 AN / APG-81 radar one of the most advanced in the USA and in the worldBut it is limited by maximum power and energy capabilities of the fighter.

                    2. The detection range of the Su-35S radar Н035 "Irbis" for targets with EPR = 3 m2 is equal to D = 400 km.
                    3. F-35 radar detection range AN / APG-81 for purposes with
                    EPR = 3 m2 is equal to D = 300 km.

                    The most advanced in the USA, but not the world, Radar F-35 AN / APG-81 (USA) significantly inferior in detection range even Russian radar SU-35S N035 "Irbis". Strategist, let's lie further. Just learn to count and distinguish the calculation of radar from your outright lies about Wikipedia!
                    Quote: engenius
                    And while even for the first iteration, ZhUK-MA declared a maximum range of 150 km, which is two times lower than that of AN / APG-81/83.

                    engenius, do not lie and deliberately confuse the Zhuk-AME radar with the Zhuk-A. Strategist - you cannot even distinguish AN / APG-81 from AN / APG-83! Learn the materiel and not only.
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                  7. EnGenius 25 March 2020 10: 41 New
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                    It seems that you are the one with Urengoy, as you confuse other people with outright lies and misinformation. At the same time, you try to pass off other people's data as some kind of real analysis.

                    Again, an article about the Indian tender and MiG-35, and not about that nonsense about everything you write.
                  8. Petruha1 25 March 2020 11: 23 New
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                    Quote: engenius
                    There, the estimated range is the same 400 km for targets with an EPR of 3 square meters, but not 1 square meter (data from Wikipedia).

                    As always lying! Or don't you know how to read on Wikipedia?
                    Quote: engenius
                    It seems that you are the one with Urengoy, as you confuse other people with outright lies and misinformation. At the same time, you try to pass off other people's data as some kind of real analysis.

                    It’s ugly to lie, judging by your sayings, “Kolya from Urengoy” is you. Storyteller, you can’t distinguish calculations from Wikipedia. They themselves would learn to count, and not write nonsense. On wikipedia the detection range of Н036 "Protein" for a target with an ESR = 1 m2 is equal to D = 400 km. Or do not you see? Not everyone managed to wipe on the Internet! I can find a couple more sites where they did not have time to erase the approximate data about the Squirrel N036 radar.
                    Next your ignorance just goes through the roof:
                    Quote: engenius (Engenius)
                    Oh, the expert remembered the trump words of radar and EPR. Requires exact digits without their digits. Apparently he was going to measure with a centimeter who has less EPR. All that there is information about radar - these are estimated characteristics or declared characteristics, real ones can be worse and better under certain conditions.

                    Learn what EPR is in radar. EPR centimeter is not measured, "strategist."
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                  10. EnGenius 25 March 2020 13: 36 New
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                    And how will they be used if Н035 PFAR, and H036 is AFAR? You probably do not know that they differ significantly in design? Why retype this nonsense from Wikipedia?

                    About "EPR = 1 m2 is equal to D = 400 km" for Н036 you first brought these data and they are clearly overstated. In most other sources, the figure is 400 km for 3 m2. It was you who brought the unknown data to anyone who allegedly claimed superiority.

                    Pay attention to yourself and your lies, the constant substitution of topics and concepts, the publication of knowingly dubious characteristics. You even manage in one answer in two consecutive places trying to prove mutually exclusive facts.

                    So where did you get 1m2 at a distance of 400km for H036? From Wikipedia? There are the same numbers.
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                    Quote: engenius
                    Pay attention to yourself and your lies, the constant substitution of topics and concepts, publication of knowingly dubious characteristics. You even manage in one answer in two consecutive places trying to prove mutually exclusive facts.

                    Quote: engenius
                    If the F-16 even now has the latest modifications and missiles, then after purchasing the MiG-35 it is not very clear who can seriously modify it and get rid of all childhood diseases, which the MiG-29 had a lot of.

                    engenius, just babbling. There is no exact data on the Internet, but only approximate. And where am I contradicting myself? Not tired of lying and writing nonsense. You have fallen so low here and continue to dodge. You absolutely do not know radar and can't read what is written above. I even brought you data about the Irbis radar, which is superior to the American AN / APG-77 (81) F-22 (F-35) aircraft. You, citizen, are a complete substitution and a lie, you cannot even refute, in view of your literacy. If you do not distinguish PFAR from AFAR, then do not write nonsense about the superiority of some radars over others. For people like you, I repeat again:
                    2. Detection Range Radar Su-35S N035 "Irbis" for purposes with EPR = 3 m2 is equal to D = 400 km.
                    3. Detection Range Radar F-35 AN / APG-81 for purposes with
                    EPR = 3 m2 is equal to D = 300 km.
                    The most advanced in the USA, but not the world, radar F-35 AN / APG-81 (USA) significantly inferior in detection distance even to Russian Radar station SU-35S Н035 "Irbis".
                  12. EnGenius 25 March 2020 17: 22 New
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                    Obviously, you cannot read two lines, even what you wrote yourself. I tell you about H036, you again begin to write to me about H035.

                    For reference, AN / APG-77 was developed twenty years ago, since you decided to compare. For example, the more recent AN / APG-81 (83) has almost half as many modules and you need to compare it

                    If you do not really understand the difference between AFAR and PFAR, this is exclusively your personal problem. Also, how can you compare different types of radars in the forehead and declare some kind of advanced advantage there. That's when there will be data on the serial H036 and then you will speak and compare with AN / APG-81. And to compare H035 which does not have many other useful functions of AFAR and to speak only about its advantage in range is incorrect. In the meantime, you have accumulated left data and compare everything on the heap indiscriminately and without meaning. But I think it makes no sense to talk to you. Do not present a certificate from a psychiatrist yet!
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                    For reference, AN / APG-77 was developed twenty years ago, since you decided to compare. For example, the more recent AN / APG-81 (83) has almost half as many modules and you need to compare it

                    Quote: engenius
                    And compare H035 which does not have many other useful functions of AFAR and speak only about his advantage in range is incorrect.

                    Engenius, Do not be ashamed to write baby talk? Whoever discovered the target first was the first to launch the RVV-DB with the ARGSN and destroy the enemy’s aircraft, unless of course there is a long-range missile with such a range. I repeat for the deaf about the MiG-35:
                    There are no open press data on the Zhuk-AME radar, as well as AN / APG-83. Even if a F-200 aircraft is detected at a distance of D = 35 km, the F-21 will be hit earlier by the R-21M missile and will not have time to reach the line of use of its long-range RVV-DB AIM-37 with a range of D = 120 km.

                    Quote: engenius
                    Do not present a certificate from a psychiatrist yet!

                    Such a certificate, first, must be presented to you if you do not understand the simple Russian language. Speaking an illiterate lie, not understanding the subject of conversation.
  • Krasnoyarsk 24 March 2020 20: 08 New
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    Quote: Petruha1
    Is over-maneuverability not an advantage?

    No. The time ended when "the bullet is a fool, and the bayonet is well done"
    Now the battles, even on the ground, even in the air, will take place at great distances. Melee in the air, "dog dump" is unlikely. It is an exception to the rule.
    And, it seems to me, the MIG radar does not reach the enemy radar a little.
    Therefore, the Indians are struggling - the MIG is good at a price, and Rafal and F-16 with their capabilities.
    1. EnGenius 24 March 2020 20: 54 New
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      Over-maneuverability is another advantage, only coupled with the ability to effectively detect attacking missiles and the ability to transmit data on them to the pilot for a successful anti-ballistic maneuver. Thus, the planes are converging for the use of short-range missiles, and then it comes to the "dog dump". At the same time, the longer the missile launches, the less it has the ability to maneuver, which means it’s easier for the pilot to avoid such attacks. Therefore, the number of suspensions for guided weapons plays a significant role.

      Air combat is primarily a tactical game. Or do you think why even Western experts put the F-35 below the Su-35 because they are stupid? No, if the F-35 spends its missiles and dangerously gets close to the Su-35, then it will detect it, catch up with it and will almost certainly punish it. But at the same time, the F-35 has some tactical advantages, but only at a long distance - stealth, powerful radar, the use of tactical communications in the group and AWACS, a long-range infrared sensor, long-range AIM-120D missiles.
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        engenius, a srateg from Ukraine, have not gone far, having written about long-range air combat, or rather rewriting general materials from the Internet ...
        What a bile to Russian military equipment!
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          Quote: Mishiko
          engenius, a srateg from Ukraine, have not gone far, having written about long-range air combat, or rather rewriting general materials from the Internet
          Something I don’t really understand who you are contacting and what does not suit you. What general information is there? Couch or recognized experts ... Explain. Yes, and you answer to whom? It feels like you don’t even look.
    2. Mishiko 24 March 2020 21: 31 New
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      And, it seems to me, the MIG radar does not reach the enemy radar a little.

      This is just your guess and nothing more. What is the detection range of the Zhuk-MAE radar? What is the detection range of AN / APG-83? If you do not know, then do not assume it. Look noble "duck" without knowing the topic.
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        Quote: Mishiko
        This is just your guess and nothing more.

        Quote: Mishiko
        Look noble "duck" without knowing the topic.

        So you already decide - this is an assumption, or "duck."
        I have an assumption based on the general situation with radar in our aviation.
        1. Petruha1 24 March 2020 23: 13 New
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          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          So you already decide - this is an assumption, or "duck."
          I have an assumption based on the general situation with radar in our aviation.

          Let's talk about your assumption in the radar of our Russian aviation! Parameters of the Bug-AME result, as well as the parameters AN / APG-83. Very interested in the range of detection of targets with the probability of correct detection of P p.obn. = 0,5 and the probability of false alarm Рлт = 10 ^ -3.
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            Quote: Petruha1
            Parameters of the Bug-AME result, as well as the parameters AN / APG-83.

            I won’t bring it. They are not known to me. Like you. I am talking about a general trend. In the radar, we are behind the "partners". This is common knowledge. We are lagging behind in the range of air-to-air missiles. And this is also well known. And our "microelectronics" is to blame.
            1. Petruha1 25 March 2020 13: 35 New
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              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              We are lagging behind in the range of air-to-air missiles. And this, too, is not generally known in nature.

              Krasnoyarsk, it’s ugly to deliberately write lies! The range of the RVV-BD R-37MD rocket = 300 km, and KS-172 D = 400 km. Give an example of a US missile RVV-DB, more long-range than the Russian air-to-air missiles given. Weak? Do not bring - they do not exist in nature!
              I'm waiting for your answer. Or reset the link? At radar, we are also superior to Americans. First, figure out which frequency the spectrum of signals is processed, then do not write nonsense and do not drag microelectronics in this range, not knowing the Russian developments of radar systems.
            2. Krasnoyarsk 25 March 2020 14: 57 New
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              Krasnoyarsk, it’s ugly to deliberately write lies!

              And why do you pass off your words as a quote from my post?
              I repeat for inattentively reading. These are my suggestions based on a variety of information. While publicly available and ours, not foreign.
              An article about our SU-34 and the Strike Eagle will help you. Only today appeared on VO. Read and "find out."
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              It looks like a bipolar split personality. A person cannot even distinguish what he wrote himself.
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              Quote: engenius
              It looks like a bipolar split personality. A person cannot even distinguish what he wrote himself.

              And you are not even a person - judging by your answers, there is absolutely no knowledge on radar - one ambition!
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            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            ...We lagging behind in the range of air-to-air missiles. And this is also well known. And blame everything our "microelectronics"

            Apparently there was a computer crash! Excuse me. However, you could not adequately answer! Then do not write your old tales. I myself am a specialist in radio electronics (radio engineering). And I know well about our radar. It's ugly to write this for many years in VO.
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            Quote: Petruha1
            Apparently there was a computer crash! Excuse me.

            We drove through.
            Quote: Petruha1

            However, you could not adequately answer!

            Well, how else do you answer? I don’t dress as a radar specialist, I only use publicly available information. I offered you an article about the SU-34 and the "Strike Eagle" which deals with radar in comparison. This is not enough for you, you still expect something from a non-specialist. I can’t help you with anything. Excuse me.
            Quote: Petruha1
            And I know well about our radar. .

            Do you know? So refute, with knowledge, the specified article. Prove that the radar on the SU-34 is 100500 times better than on the Strike Eagle. And I will be grateful to you.
            Maybe they, the radar, and the best with us, I do not know, but on airplanes that are currently in service, for some reason, not the very best. I mean SU-24, SU-27, SU-30, SU-34, SU-35, MIG-29.
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        And what do KS-172 series produce? Or again you will carry nonsense giving out wishful thinking. R-37M is and is excellent. And how many R-37Ms can the MiG-29 carry?
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        Quote: engenius
        And what do KS-172 series produce? Or again you will carry nonsense giving out wishful thinking. R-37M is and is excellent. And how many R-37Ms can the MiG-29 carry?

        engenius (Engenius), delirium - this is yours, they showed their complete ignorance of radar and RVV-DB. R-37M is in service. And KS-172 is being tested ... Do not be afraid, you beloved USA, are very far behind Russia in terms of the RVV-DB, as well as in the radar systems.
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    When it comes to India, Ukraine, and some other countries, many lose their sense of adequacy. Emotions begin to lead them. The reasons for this are resentment, not understanding (lack of desire to understand). Hence the transition to cliches, insults, etc. Well, that’s their right. We can only sympathize with them.
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    What is the meaning of your comment?

    The point is that there is no point in trying to discuss and even more so to predict the choice of the Indians. For these are people from another dimension. And they have the opposite. They have logic on other principles. lol
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      They have logic on other principles.

      They also have a technical culture and other necessary ... at a different level. They’re just different, because they’re tambourine in hands and go ... it’s beautiful for them.
  • sinoptic 24 March 2020 16: 31 New
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    Year 2075 - India in the process of choosing an aircraft for the Air Force. fellow
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    Yes, the MIG-35 is somehow no longer funny but even sad!
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    MiG-35 vs F-21 and Rafale: India in the process of choosing an aircraft for the Air Force
    so much conflicting information that you can no longer pay attention until they say: Bought!
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    There is a nuance: both Dassault Rafale and Lockheed Martin F-21 are single-engine.
    I am sure this time the Indians are clinging to two engines at the MiG.
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      Count the turbojet engine again .... and Rafal is already being purchased.
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      Rafal has 2 engines. In terms of speed, the MIG is doing both; I think for sure the F21 maneuverability, I don’t know with Rafal. But these qualities are most likely not the main ones in the tender, but avionics. What the Mig 35 can oppose here from the article is not known, the secondary systems pulled up to competitors well done!
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        And you also need to look at the arsenal of the proposed weapons for aircraft.
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          The arsenal is also important if some missiles only come with an airplane. So then everyone has an open architecture type and you can stick anything, just download updates from the Internet. Probably the widest assortment of Rafal. About this by the way, also in the article not a word no
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            Aiming container, for example .....
  • Pathos 24 March 2020 11: 46 New
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    Dances with a tambourine continue laughing In the end everyone will die laughing
  • Mikhail3 24 March 2020 12: 02 New
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    As far as I can understand, the Indians have been trying to lower prices all along the time of “cooperation”, simultaneously extorting bribes, even after the conclusion of contracts. Honestly, it would be better if Rafali bought in this mode, making money on these orders is extremely problematic ...
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    enchanting
    instead of the usual lever

    Automatic transmission or handbrake? lol
  • Butchcassidy 24 March 2020 12: 06 New
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    One must study the Sikhs. These comrades play a serious role in the Indian Armed Forces.
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    It is written a lot of brand praising Western cars! The Hindus want to get a light fighter with lower operating costs than the heavy Su30, but with a serious strike potential, primarily on the ground (judging by the candidates) and suitable for air combat if necessary. And not because the Su30 is inferior to the F16, or because Rafal is able to take longer than the Su30, why did Rafal become more effective than a heavy fighter with the largest radius of action on the planet! Thanks to the Su30 fleet with air defense and air control in the air in India, everything is in a bunch, but it's expensive to fly, that's why they are looking for cheaper flights
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      They have a front line of action over disputed areas over the Himalayas. They don’t have to fly there for thousands of kilometers. And the mountains will make it possible to tactically use even the MiG-21, if they are equipped with the latest radar and missiles. The question then is, why do they need a lot of Su-30s ?! So they don’t want a lot of them - it doesn’t suit them as the only suitable machine.

      Even if India buys a Su-35, it will most likely be used like China - in coastal areas for patrolling and battles over the sea.
      1. Eroma 24 March 2020 22: 30 New
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        I'm about the same, only without details. In general, if the economy is headed, then F21 will win, one engine is cheaper than two, in any case F16 with the same take-off weight in operation is cheaper than F18. And the Americans announced their proposals earlier, to establish production of F21 in India with the prospect of exporting spare parts for F16 around the world, after the end of production of F16 in the USA. In F21 avionics, I think no worse than competitors, thanks to modern missiles, even in the distance, even in the vicinity and a helmet-mounted sight, it can give a fight even in the worst flight performance. One minus: having a plane visually almost identical to enemy aircraft is extremely uncomfortable in battle.
        Mig is obviously cheaper, but I think the production program is more modest and the two engines eat more kerosene and generally two of them wear out at once, but all parts are cheaper and always have, we have never introduced sanctions. + India’s air force looks exactly different from its opponents in the air and in the LTX it’s definitely better than Pakistani airplanes (suddenly this is important).
        The Frenchman is good, handsome and vigorously looks, and in fact, probably not bad, but sooo expensive and not of any production in India!
  • knn54 24 March 2020 12: 32 New
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    The F-21 is a modernization of the F16, to which India has an "allergy", the main plane of the Pakistan Air Force, however.
    but there is a removable rod, which allows (unlike the F-16) to "combine" with the tanker IL-78.
    Rafal has a decked version. But for some reason they bought less than stated.
    I dare to suggest that Modi’s desire to establish close relations with the Yankees and the fear of sanctions will lead to the choice of an “adder.” Consider also the “love” of India for de-unification.
    By the way, in medicine F 21 is a schizotypic disorder.
    1. EnGenius 24 March 2020 22: 54 New
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      Frankly, India certainly does not want the F-16, because they spent a dozen of them developing their analogue, the Tejas. But there is one thing but, the United States promises to sell along with the F-21 its complete assembly line, which means that most likely Pakistan will not receive the latest version of the F-16V or F-21 under any circumstances. But at the same time, India has a dependency on the F404 engine, which comes in both Tejas and F-16 and they cannot replace it. True, there is another option for India - the purchase of the F-18, but here the United States will definitely not transfer anything from production. And just like that, the US engine will not be sold to them in large quantities.

      Therefore, the F-21 for them we will say so suitable option, but still I think they will not go for it. Unless from complete despair and the lack of a sufficient number of suitable modern fighters in their Air Force. Well, the United States may threaten them with a refusal to supply F404 engines in general (let's say as punishment for the C400) and then they will have nothing left but Russia and France. Although the same Rafal is unclear with which engines the F404 or Snecma M88 is in the series.

      Rafal for them turns out to be quite expensive, but first of all they needed technology from this aircraft, operational experience and the experience of using guided weapons. They will also want to get such experience from the USA and AIM-120D missiles, analogues of which are in China, but not in Russia and Europe. So they obviously have plans to buy American fighters, and the US plans to sell them as much as possible and more expensive.
  • prior 24 March 2020 13: 02 New
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    Another rotten Indian "carrot" for MIG.
    Once again, beckon, marry and surrender to the French.
  • EnGenius 24 March 2020 13: 32 New
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    Now India is so bad with the military aviation fleet that they will buy 100 Rafale and 100 F35 and maybe 100 MiG-35. They can also buy 100 F-16s, and now the F35 will have to wait a long time.
  • Sibguest 24 March 2020 13: 57 New
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    ".... Indian officers severely criticized the PAK ...."
    What other doubts could be !? If Indian officers say, all the leading manufacturers of the world experts (note: real) should modestly lower their eyes and listen to the pearls of the descendants of the inventor of the Kama Sutra.
    Here are just a train of thought, the absence of logic in the words and deeds of the Hindus will be more difficult than the most difficult posture in this work itself (see above).
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  • thinker 24 March 2020 14: 58 New
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    Russia may receive an order from India for the construction of more than 100 aircraft.
    According to the terms of the competition, much less request
    India plans to buy 110 light fighters. The truth is that the supplier will provide a total of 17 finished machines, the remaining 93 should be built on site.
    https://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=3119353
  • Ros 56 24 March 2020 15: 23 New
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    This is how much you need to drink to find a common language with these gypsies? fellow
  • Avior 24 March 2020 18: 06 New
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    The MiG-35 G-Force protection system helps to reduce the distraction of pilots tracking the G-force using the indicator on the dashboard.

    what it is, it is impossible to understand completely from the article.
  • U-58 24 March 2020 18: 21 New
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    India, as a picky bride, chooses a "groom" for almost 15 years.
    It seems so in the old virgins and remains ...
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    5-9 25 March 2020 13: 35 New
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    The last 2 paragraphs are brain juice ...

    about the disorientation of the pilot ... this is to F-16 ... evil tongues are ruining that half of his losses and high accident rate in general, just because of this, because the lantern is non-binding, and the single-engine is non-unique.
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    Quote: Alexey Sommer
    Minus who have no conscience.

    Conscience is needed not for minuses or pluses, but for something not to bear obvious nonsense after standing up in the pose of an insulted fighter with injustice ...
  • ole1 26 March 2020 11: 49 New
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    The 35th may take a low price, but on the whole there is a lag on a number of points from competitors
    - lack of a new radar with afar
    - an old OLS that does not work in the far infrared (unlike rafals and flu)
    - the engine on the 35th is the modernization of the very old rd-33, they wanted to create the rd-43, with a thrust of more than 10 tons, but so these undertakings drowned in the 90s
    - it is unclear how competitive the medium-range missiles of the RVV-sd are competitive in comparison with the new European Meteors and AIM-7. here it should be noted that the Chinese missiles delivered with the su35 were not very impressed (you can look at the article What the Chinese think about Russian Su-35S translated from Chinese).